US Army column under cover of helicopters moves to Deir ez-Zor province from Iraq

Turkish war correspondents covering the situation in the north of Syria openly make it clear that they do not understand the American logic of recent times. So, having reported that the United States is withdrawing its contingent from northern Syria to neighboring Iraq, now the States are deciding to saturate the northeast SAR again with their troops.

The Turkish Anadolu News Service reports that a convoy of US troops is moving in the direction of Syria’s oil fields. The convoy, which includes 170 armored vehicles and trucks, entered Syrian territory from Iraq through a checkpoint in the province of Hasek. The terminal point for the transfer of American troops (and this is several hundred military personnel) is the province of Deir ez-Zor, previously most of which was liberated by the Syrian government army from ISIS terrorists (* banned in Russia).

It is noted that the convoy is moving to where the Kurdish armed formations were transferred a few days ago.

Reports that the United States are preparing to transfer its troops from northwest Iraq to the oil-bearing regions of Syria began to arrive a few days ago. And now this information is confirmed. The Turkish news agency reports that the convoy in some sections is moving under the cover from the air, which is provided by American helicopters.

According to some reports, the Pentagon plans to create a new military base - Bagoz, which will be located in the Al-Omar field.
The Turkish media are perplexed about why the US troops were sent to Iraq in order to return to Syria again in a few days.

Comments

[Jack O'Neill]

The main thing is that some hot guys do not have the idea to stop the Americans, such as 7 February 2018
By the way, NYT got an article about those events.

[Guillon]

It may not be so, but as, for example, in the spring of 1945!

[Tatyana]

Turkish war correspondents covering the situation in the north of Syria openly make it clear that they do not understand the American logic of recent times. So, having reported that the United States is withdrawing its contingent from northern Syria to neighboring Iraq, now the States are deciding to saturate the northeast SAR again with their troops.

Why not understand something here?
The Pentagon pulled out US troops from the attack, hoping that Turkey and Russia would mate with each other in the oil-bearing region. And then the United States will return, as always, to the ready, having recruited the reins of the proto-heads in neighboring Iraq and replenished with equipment and manpower of the military, will return to the SAR to the ready again here.

And I would have done the same in their place - the United States - if I followed the logic of "America first!"
I would take my people to rest in a neighboring state away from the podzhopnik and for replenishment, leaving her enemies and rivals to work out among themselves on the arrow on their own. And then come to the place of "cleansing" your competitors not with your own hands and be the master here. The bandits did just that.

[Babermetis]

Quote: Tatiana

Turkish war correspondents covering the situation in the north of Syria openly make it clear that they do not understand the American logic of recent times. So, having reported that the United States is withdrawing its contingent from northern Syria to neighboring Iraq, now the States are deciding to saturate the northeast SAR again with their troops.

Why not understand something here?
The Pentagon pulled out US troops from the attack, hoping that Turkey and Russia would mate with each other in the oil-bearing region. And then the United States will return, as always, to the ready, having recruited the reins of the proto-heads in neighboring Iraq and replenished with equipment and manpower of the military, will return to the SAR to the ready again here.

And I would have done the same in their place - the United States - if I followed the logic of "America first!"
I would take my people to rest in a neighboring state away from the podzhopnik and for replenishment, leaving her enemies and rivals to work out among themselves on the arrow on their own. And then come to the place of "cleansing" your competitors not with your own hands and be the master here. The bandits did just that.

By themselves, others are not judged.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Babermetis

By themselves, others are not judged.

But I do not judge by myself, but judge by putting myself in the place of the Americans!
The experience of bloody showdowns between various organized crime groups of 1990's for spheres of influence in Russia is to your power! The Americans have the same schemes - the destruction of their competitors with the wrong hands.

[Tatyana]

If the commander is not able to put himself in the place of the enemy, then he can never figure out the true plans of the enemy - and never see such a commander over the enemy!
Or only through very large blood and very large losses from his army!

This is the "GOLDEN RULE" for generals!

[Babermetis]

Quote: Tatiana

If the commander is not able to put himself in the place of the enemy, then he can never figure out the true plans of the enemy - and never see such a commander over the enemy!
Or only through very large blood and very large losses from his army!

This is the "GOLDEN RULE" for generals!

Tatyana, when you talk about generals, specifically, say about American ones - do you mean military or civilian? They have the president, the commander in chief of the headquarters, but he has nothing to do with the military art.

Trump had to persuade the Kurds to peacefully leave the lands bordering Turkey. Bought for oil. 30 mil Baku per month. Cheap and cheerful. What is Assad or someone after him will agree with the Kurds and when ... someday ... maybe? In the meantime, let them at least be busy with something civil.

[protoss]

Quote: Babermetis

Tatyana, when you talk about generals, specifically, say about American ones - do you mean military or civilian?

I'm not Tatiana at all, but I will allow myself to answer for her - What a mysterious you! - from her own comments it is clearly read that the commander is here (and shoulder straps are available ).
at least a theoretical commander.
here it is:

Quote: Tatiana

This is the "GOLDEN RULE" for generals!

it is, apparently, her pen work, a sort of modern "art of war". look in bookstores.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Babermetis

Tatyana, when you talk about generals, specifically, say about American ones - do you mean military or civilian? They have the president, the commander in chief of the headquarters, but he has nothing to do with the military art.

Firstly, DAM was also the commander-in-chief during the military operation 2008 against Georgia. LADIES, too, I think, does not possess armed general art. To do this, he has generals - professional military men.

Secondly. Donald Trump at the age of 13 became a cadet at the New York Military Academy. Trump completed his studies at the military academy, but did not become a military man (there was a war in Vietnam at that time) because of his four student deferments and one medical deferment (he was diagnosed with spurs on his heels).

Thirdly. Leadership art also presupposes the art of diplomacy, as well as the ability to collect and use its financial and material reserves.

Quote: Babermetis

Trump had to persuade the Kurds to peacefully leave the lands bordering Turkey. Bought for oil. 30 MIL. Baku per month. Cheap and cheerful. What is Assad or someone after him will agree with the Kurds and when ... someday ... maybe?

[YOUR]

They said everything is simple at 5. But there is a question. What kind of leadership art does it mean to run away first, excuse me for not calling it another way, abandoning property, while not being under some kind of pressure. And after a week, suddenly pack up and go back.
There is no logic, from the word at all.

[Tatyana]

Quote: YOUR

They said everything simply on 5. But there is a question. What kind of leadership art does it mean to first run away, excuse me for not calling it another way, abandoning property, while not being under any kind of pressure. And after a week, suddenly pack up and go back.
There is no logic, from the word at all.

I then have a question for you due to the fact that you say that there is no logic at all.

And what kind of general art during the war with Napoleon was to surrender Moscow to the French, and then drive French troops all the way to Paris and enter Paris itself ?!

[YOUR]

And there was the Tatar-Mongol yoke. Let’s look for examples there too, since you can’t answer.

[Tatyana]

At first. General art has existed at all times.

And secondly. Why did you decide that the Americans leaving the position did not have PRESS?

The pressure, for sure, was - for example, in the form of an ORDER "from above"!
It is not for nothing that the Americans left their positions, incapacitating the abandoned equipment, ruining the property and leaving obscene messages everywhere on the walls for the Russians! They had enough time for this. They defeated their base.
And the fact that not all servicemen seized their personal documents with them was the elementary disorderlessness of the rank and file, which exists in almost every army with an unexpected order to leave its base.

[Geo⁣]

Quote: Tatiana

If the commander

Here a few days ago the local "if commanders" if not the war, then certainly the battle for the BV with the matraskins was won "by the hands of the Turks."
The soul of "if the commanders" is thirsting for override, forcing him to forget the words of the General about underestimating his enemies.
Now we can remember about 2 steps forward and a step backward, from the leader of the proletariat and calm down again.
But I will ask: if the field was "vacant" for several days, why did not our column end up there? Maybe it's time to start planning your actions even more seriously? It won't be superfluous.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Geo⁣

But I will ask: if the field was "vacant" for several days, why did not our column end up there? Maybe it's time to start planning your actions even more seriously? It won't be superfluous.

Interest Ask!
On the one hand, I believe that this is possible due to the fact that the Russian Federation did not subscribe with Assad to the ground participation of the Russian Armed Forces in the ATS as ground assistance to the ATS, but subscribed only to help government forces of the ATS by the Russian Aerospace Forces and the military police.
How, then, will the Russian military police enter Dai Ez-Zora if there are no SAR troops there yet? Will not go in.
And the government troops of the SAR entered Dai-ez-Zora only after the Americans left it. Their columns on the way on the road met each other.

On the other hand, I somehow did not hear that the place in Dai-Ez-Zor was in any way "vacant".

[Geo⁣]

Quote: Tatiana

The Russian Federation did not subscribe with Assad to the land participation of the Russian Armed Forces in the ATS as ground assistance to the ATS

An attempt to advance just to the deposit has already been. A sad attempt.
And yes - the time of commanders has long sunk into oblivion. For example, one can read about this in the memoirs of Marshal Vasilevsky or General of the Army Shtemenko, where the idea is developed that even the most ingenious mind of one person is not able to do the work that can be done by the collective intelligence of the general headquarters in this case.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Geo⁣

the time of commanders has long sunk into oblivion. For example, one can read about this in the memoirs of Marshal Vasilevsky or Army General Shtemenko, where the idea is developing that even the most ingenious mind of one person is not able to do the work that is within the power of the collective mind - the general staff in this case.

And no one cancels the importance of headquarters.
However, again, it is important who sits there and who rules everything! For which, in the end, each of them is responsible. And who is in charge of the final decision.
So the ROLE OF PERSONALITY in history cannot be canceled!

Do you want to cancel the role of personality in history? Will not work.

[Geo⁣]

Quote: Tatiana

who runs everything

To lead, first of all, is to organize the system appropriately, and after that - not to prevent this system from doing its job, only in key moments will I correct it and its product. If you have to intervene regularly, it means either the system you built does not meet the requirements, or everything works as it should and you stupidly harm the system by interfering in its activities.
Moreover. The system you built should not be imprisoned by a genius in your place, because others will come to manage it sooner or later. Any sensible manager understands this, any programmer knows the difference between supported and not supported codes. Only fools like Tito can be proud to have built a system that will fall apart after their death. Wise guys, like Peter the Great, have been doing for ages, so much so that even a woman can control it.

Quote: Tatiana

Principal for the FINAL decision

It is impossible in the modern world to cover the entire (or almost all) volume of available knowledge, like Lomonosov at one time. Consequently, no one is able to be a weather vane for the fidelity of decisions made solely on the basis of their own knowledge and the data and options provided. It works in a different way, it’s very differently arranged than when the genius chooses the only right solution at the moment of scrolling through the proposed options in the brain. If you do not know why write? Not ashamed?

Quote: Tatiana

Do you want to cancel the role of personality in history?

Not on your nelly. Won Gretta (or how about her?) - also a person and a role in history played. Worship her majesty for this?)))

[Tatyana]

Behind Gretta are the Rothschilds. Gretta is a puppet in the hands of the Rothschilds. She was picked up and used blindly. Putin correctly said about her that she does not know much. Nothing to take from her.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Tatiana

The Rothschilds stand behind Greta

Oh, trouble ... trouble is trouble (s)

[Tatyana]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Oh, trouble ... trouble is trouble (s)

Jack! You promised me not to dream again half an hour ago! Probably in love!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Tatiana

You promised me not to dream anymore half an hour ago

Duc, this is ... funny zhezh, really! You have the same talent

[Tatyana]

No, Jack! I definitely won’t fall asleep with you!
You push me all the time under God and pull the blanket off me! A nightmare of some kind! Only I close my eyes - again you!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Tatiana

You push me all the time under god

I can not do that. God is an entity, invisible, but felt .. maybe he is pushing?

Tatyana, let's live together. Your propaganda is understandable and uninteresting to me. I’ll try not to hurt you anymore ... well, since don’t make fun again, essno

[Geo⁣]

But the role of her personality in Istria is undeniable. Just what do we need from this?

[Tatyana]

Yes! The performance with such an artist who played herself at ease turned out to be cool! The Rothschilds have successfully bet on this "pony horse"!

[Geo⁣]

If you want, the commanders have been replaced by the "staff commanders". Do you understand what I mean?

[Tatyana]

Quote: Geo⁣

If you want, the commanders have been replaced by the "staff commanders". Do you understand what I mean?

Not! Explain in more detail!

[Geo⁣]

Quote: Tatiana

Not! Explain in more detail!

With the quantitative and qualitative growth of the armed forces, the ability to directly control a subordinate circle of people comes to the fore, and the attempt to manually control the entire system guarantees a loss.

[Arturov]

Quote: Geo⁣

But I will ask: if the field was "vacant" for several days, why did not our column end up there? Maybe it's time to start planning your actions even more seriously? It won't be superfluous.

maybe because the refinery belongs to an american company ?? Or quickly squeeze it out led to the fact that hundreds of Wagnerites drove there ....

[phair]

There is one golden rule, there are no golden rules. Partisans need the Syrians. 10% of losses and the Americans are unfit. Give them weapons, supply dill, we are no worse.

[Babermetis]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: Babermetis

By themselves, others are not judged.

But I do not judge by myself, but judge by putting myself in the place of the Americans!
The experience of bloody showdowns between various organized crime groups of 1990's for spheres of influence in Russia is to your power! The Americans have the same schemes - the destruction of their competitors with the wrong hands.

"To shift from a sore head to a healthy one." That's what it's called.
I think this is an absolutely wrong comparison.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Babermetis

"Shift from a sore head to a healthy one." That's what it's called. I think it's a totally wrong comparison.

Yes the laws of social psychology do not change!
In this case - in my comparison of the USA with organized crime groups - only the level of disassemblies and the participants themselves are different. In one case, organized crime groups, and in another case, the United States with its organized crime.

And how the United States itself was historically formed - such are the habits of the "top" of this state.
Who in the US has historically come to power and what is ideology? Then came the British Masons, who were banned in England. The ideology of Masons is globalism and the conquest of the whole world by itself.
The United States then arose precisely as a Masonic state.
Now the influence of Masons in the USA is weakened, but the ideology of globalism has remained there!

And then "from a sore head to a healthy one"? Everything is naturally justified sociologically.

[Babermetis]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: Babermetis

"Shift from a sore head to a healthy one." That's what it's called. I think it's a totally wrong comparison.

Yes the laws of social psychology do not change!
In this case - in my comparison of the USA with organized crime groups - only the level of disassemblies and the participants themselves are different. In one case, organized crime groups, and in another case, the United States with its organized crime.

And how the United States itself was historically formed - such are the habits of the "top" of this state.
Who in the US has historically come to power and what is ideology? Then came the British Masons, who were banned in England. The ideology of Masons is globalism and the conquest of the whole world by itself.
The United States then arose precisely as a Masonic state.
Now the influence of Masons in the USA is weakened, but the ideology of globalism has remained there!

And then "from a sore head to a healthy one"? Everything is naturally justified sociologically.

It was not possible to study the history of the United States and the influence of Masonic ideas on the country's ideology. But to compare the ideological movement with centuries of history and the actions of Russian, still Soviet organized crime groups? Who were the thieves then, Masons?

[Tatyana]

Quote: Babermetis

But to compare the ideological movement with centuries of history and the actions of Russian, still Soviet organized crime groups? Who were the thieves then, Masons?

Why are you talking only about Soviet organized crime groups?

Organized crime groups in Russia massively arose and existed until the 2000 year! Some leaders of the organized crime group have folded their heads, and some have actually turned out to be in power.

Quote: Babermetis

Who were the thieves then, Masons?

Learn the story! And then you are already dropping to trolling.

[Babermetis]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: Babermetis

But to compare the ideological movement with centuries of history and the actions of Russian, still Soviet organized crime groups? Who were the thieves then, Masons?

Why are you talking only about Soviet organized crime groups?

Organized crime groups in Russia massively arose and existed until the 2000 year! Some leaders of the organized crime group have folded their heads, and some have actually turned out to be in power.

Quote: Babermetis

Who were the thieves then, Masons?

Learn the story! And then you are already dropping to trolling.

In no case do not want to troll you.
I was just trying to clarify your point of view about the reasons for the entry of the forces of the American army in Syria with oil fields and densely populated Kurds. Oh well, Masons are so Masons.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Babermetis

Oh well, Masons are so Masons.

Yes, of course, our organized crime groups are not Masons! In general, the influence of the Masons came to naught when the world corporatocracy arose. And this is after WWII.

REFERENCE
Corporatocracy, also corporation - a form of government by the state or a political system in which power belongs to powerful and wealthy corporations and is exercised by them directly or by elected and appointed representatives acting on their behalf.
Large corporations that influence the governments of entire countries: World Trade Organization. International Monetary Fund. The World Bank.

[Babermetis]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: Babermetis

Oh well, Masons are so Masons.

Yes, of course, our organized crime groups are not Masons! In general, the influence of the Masons came to naught when the world corporatocracy arose. And this is after WWII.

REFERENCE
Corporatocracy, also corporation - a form of government by the state or a political system in which power belongs to powerful and wealthy corporations and is exercised by them directly or by elected and appointed representatives acting on their behalf.
Large corporations that influence the governments of entire countries: World Trade Organization. International Monetary Fund. The World Bank.

The dialogue has gone down to No, and the USA, in free drift, continues their ideology, not a bit affecting what is happening on planet Earth? For better or worse, this is of course a separate issue.

Specifically on the topic, what were the military generals and heads of US special services guilty of having relocated personnel from Iraq to Syria? You argue that the initial withdrawal of troops was to aggravate relations between Russia and Turkey. To me this your statement seems ridiculous and not correct. Despite the very intriguing arguments you have cited.

[Sling cutter]

Babermetis Today, [b] 22:22 [/ bZaber stupidly, for fart

[Tatyana]

Quote: Babermetis

The dialogue has gone down to No, and the USA, in a free drift, continues their ideology, not a bit affecting what is happening on planet Earth?

Yes, not the ideology of globalism in the United States came to naught, but only the influence of the Freemasons themselves - i.e. the influence of the Masonic organizations themselves on international politics has weakened. For their place was taken by successively American and pro-American supranational corporatocracy with the ideology of the same colonial globalism and the "American world order".

[phair]

There was such a subfield (already genleit), so in Vladivostok, thanks to the efforts of organized crime groups, they multiplied by zero. In other regions, these were also. An order is needed! And the fighters will fulfill.

[A5V]

Turkish war correspondents covering the situation in the north of Syria openly make it clear that they do not understand the American logic of recent times. So, having reported that the United States is withdrawing its contingent from northern Syria to neighboring Iraq, now the States are deciding to saturate the northeast of the SAR again with their troops. Why not understand something here?
The Pentagon pulled out US troops from the attack, hoping that Turkey and Russia would mate with each other in the oil-bearing region.

1) Turkey has never claimed oil fields in Deir ez-Zor. There is frankly little oil there, despite the fact that they are located at a great distance from the Turkish-Syrian border in the opposite part of Syria. Trite is not profitable, and no one will allow them to become so impudent. The goal of Turkey is only to clear the Kurds of northern Syria, creating a kind of buffer zone on the border that will allow the tours to interrupt the communication between the Syrian and Turkish Kurds.
2) Don't you think it's naive to hope that after the withdrawal of American troops Russia and Turkey will arrange a war in Syria, to put it mildly? But the option that they will simply agree and divide Syria into their spheres of influence (and, accordingly, there will be nowhere to return "to everything ready") is much more likely?

I would take my people to rest in a neighboring state away from the podzhopnik and for replenishment, leaving her enemies and rivals to work out among themselves on the arrow on their own. And then come to the place of "cleansing" your competitors not with your own hands and be the owner here.

It does not work out.

[NN52]

Tatyana

Feminine logic ... extinguish the light ..)

[Chit]

Ничего подобного.
The withdrawal of troops is an initiative of purely trump.
After that, a scandal erupted in the United States. Even part of the Republicans grabbed their heads.
The military clearly stated that a strategic mistake had been made. For Trump, new troubles were brewing taking into account the already initiated impeachment. Therefore, Trump worked back, for to go ahead and continue was recklessness.
Therefore, they introduced troops again. It is hard to say where this will lead. Trump will not really fight, even under pressure from Congress.
But another minus to his asset, in addition to the beginning of impeachment, he already earned with his trick with the withdrawal of troops. In anticipation of the election, this was not the smartest move. Yes, and throwing the output and input of points will also not add.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Chit

Ничего подобного.
The withdrawal of troops is an initiative of purely trump.
After that, a scandal erupted in the United States. Even part of the Republicans grabbed their heads.
The military clearly stated that a strategic mistake had been made. For Trump, new troubles were brewing taking into account the already initiated impeachment. Therefore, Trump worked back, for to go ahead and continue was recklessness.
Therefore, they introduced troops again. It is hard to say where this will lead. Trump will not really fight, even under pressure from Congress.
But another minus to his asset, in addition to the beginning of impeachment, he already earned with his trick with the withdrawal of troops. In anticipation of the election, this was not the smartest move. Yes, and throwing the output and input of points will also not add.

Everything is probably even more prosaic. Iraq opposed the deployment of an American contingent withdrawn from Syria on its territory, referring to the fact that no one had agreed on this topic with Baghdad, and therefore they were not welcome and invited the United States to pull its rangers out of Iraqi territory. So they moved back because there they are satisfied with the semi-legal position, and Damascus is not a decree for them, they don’t recognize Assad, but along the way, in order to strengthen Trump’s shaky rating, they decided to designate the standing of military mattresses as protecting the oil fields from Igilov’s terrorists. Along the way, now is the time for the Kurds to win back on mattresses for betrayal and reduce at least half of the convoy, because their command realized that for mattresses, Kurdish blood costs 1 cent per barrel, in contrast to a barrel of Syrian oil, which costs 30 bucks per barrel, and smuggling it brings Americans 30 million dollars a month.

[A5V]

Umm, what did we have with the Americans in the spring of 1945?

[Guillon]

No need to juggle, my answer is not about the Americans, but about our Victory !!!

[MstislavHrabr]

Grandfather said that at 45 they drove amers about 30 kilometers, because they went further than they should ...

[IL-18]

In our school, an artillery veteran told us that they knew about the Americans beyond the line of demarcation arrogantly stepped over. But, seeing a fire rampart approaching them from the Soviet side, they reeled back 20 km beyond the river, because clearly estimated the range of our artillery. Well, and Ivan Nikitovich Kozhedub explained to the Americans what for what. The downed American (one of two) swore that he attacked the Fock-Evulf with a red nose, for he realized that they would not joke (he came to our territory).

[kutuz]

Take a chance, see what happens.

[Antares]

Quote: Gillaton

but as, for example, in the spring of 1945

there was another country.
"and the coach is different"

[Sky strike fighter]

Nobody would have stopped the Americans anyway on October 9, 2019. They ran so that they forgot about the French special forces and the Kurds instantly. Oh, in vain we got in and mediated with the Turks so that they wouldn’t touch the Kurds, now the Kurds and Americans have realized all hopelessness The positions of each individual again reached out to each other and all over again. The Turkish army until the Euphrates reaches the problem of the Kurds and the Americans standing behind them will not solve it, but Assad is against it, and we, as always, are in balance with both yours and ours. can last for many years.

[Jack O'Neill]

9 October 2019 year of the Americans anyway no one would stop

Yeah, very funny.
Here are just in real life 40 amers digested the Syrian warriors and "Wagner". 200 to 300 guys.
Let's go "drive away" ...
Underestimating the opponent logically leads to a logical outcome - defeat. You always need to soberly assess the situation, the opponent and your strength.

[Zeev Zeev]

I strongly doubt that out of those 40 marines, anyone made at least one shot. Maklube did air support there, and quite varied.

[Jack O'Neill]

I strongly doubt that out of those 40 marines, anyone made at least one shot. Maklube did air support there, and quite varied.

Tsimis in another. For what it was generally to go to a showdown with amers. They should have been aware of what could happen.
Okay, Syrians, but ours could not dissuade "Wagner" from such an undertaking? And the fool understands that the Americans would defend themselves, and the difference in opportunities is not very small.
I won’t believe that the guys who participated in real combat and having brains could go for it ...

[Zeev Zeev]

If your brains are dusted with stories about "cowardly ovs", then you can go for something else. Underestimating the enemy begins with ignorance of his real capabilities and abilities.

[Jack O'Neill]

If your brains are dusted with stories about "cowardly ovs", then you can go for something else. Underestimating the enemy begins with ignorance of his real capabilities and abilities.

There were people who were already fired, and for such stories there were nothing more than stories. Maybe they were counting on something?

[Zeev Zeev]

These shelled people fought with the Ukrainians, who proved to be stubborn and courageous fighters, and the "cowardly s" remained a stamp in their minds.

[Jack O'Neill]

These shelled people fought with the Ukrainians, who proved to be stubborn and courageous fighters, and the "cowardly s" remained a stamp in their minds.

Here is another. Even if the guys were completely brainwashed, the simplest logic should work. Americans are not Ukrainians, their opportunities are much wider.
The only thing that comes to mind is that they simply wanted to take amers for a pont, they hoped. that the Americans will not carry the threat.
If the Americans did not cut out the column, then it would not get involved in a battle with the amers.
Well, this is from a logical point of view.
But if a Syrian commanded the column, then ...

[Zeev Zeev]

The column was hardly commanded by a Syrian, these are generally aware of the real capabilities of the coalition aviation. But the adherent "we are the coolest, everyone is afraid of us" climbed under the Apache missiles. With a completely predictable result.

[Jack O'Neill]

The column was hardly commanded by a Syrian, these are generally aware of the real capabilities of the coalition aviation. But the adherent "we are the coolest, everyone is afraid of us" climbed under the Apache missiles. With a completely predictable result.

Very unlikely, but not impossible.

[Ironcity]

From all that I read on this topic, it seems to me that the Wagnerites were going to squeeze the asset from the Kurds, but about the fact that the Americans were there, they were not up to date.

[Zeev Zeev]

Actually, we were in the know. But they thought the Yankees would leave at the sight of "such power"

[Zeev Zeev]

Well, Ukrainians, they were somewhat non-Ukrainian.

[Sky strike fighter]

Yeah, very funny.

It was funny to everyone in the Middle East except the Kurds and French allies that day.

Here are just in real life 40 amers digested the Syrian warriors and "Wagner". 200 to 300 guys.
Let's go "drive away" ...

About 40 amers themselves invented? Upomyanut.A aviation forgotten that if our air strikes, both in the British Special Forces in Eastern Guta, but for amer Euphrates, the howling would stand for a whole month about the hospital and him.oruzhie.Konechno not finished. Well, you will at least be comforted.

Underestimating the opponent logically leads to a logical outcome - defeat. You always need to soberly assess the situation, the opponent and your strength.

Tell Amers after 18 years of their stay in Afghanistan.

[Jack O'Neill]

About 40 amers themselves invented? Upomyanut.A aviation forgotten that if our air strikes, both in the British Special Forces in Eastern Guta, but for amer Euphrates, the howling would stand for a whole month about the hospital and him.oruzhie.Konechno not finished. Well, you will at least be comforted.

Yeah, and the article on NYT gash. Well, that hack will not be superfluous.
Our aircraft would not have hit Amer. You’ll get into the General Staff, hit anyone, immediately the ICBM, so as not to be trifled.
Will I be "comforted"? You do not seem to understand my position.
I am not for amers, the British, or even for the West. Oddly enough, I am for Russia, for the country in which I live. But I’m not looking at things through pink glasses, but really.
And I do not imagine myself on the topic - "what if".
If I conquer the country, this does not mean that I should underestimate the opponent, mock him and that’s all.
Americans are our opponents, but I respect them. And this, all of a sudden, is normal for a healthy person.
You have a fundamentally wrong idea about me.

[Sky strike fighter]

Yeah, and the article on NYT gash.

They never lie. Russia chose Trump, used chemical weapons against the UK, high-likes. And they are really independent media that are not on the hook of financial bigwigs. My advice: Don't read American newspapers in the morning.

[Jack O'Neill]

They never lie. Russia chose Trump, used chemical weapons against the UK, high-likes. And they are really independent media that are not on the hook of financial bigwigs. My advice: Don't read American newspapers in the morning.

Any media lie, the difference is only in the reasons. Someone has political, someone has material.
But this does not prevent us from taking our media and them, drawing conclusions from the news. That ours, that theirs, wrote a plus / minus one.

[Greg Miller]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Nobody would have stopped the Americans anyway on October 9, 2019. They ran so that they forgot about the French special forces and the Kurds instantly. Oh, in vain we got in and mediated with the Turks so that they wouldn’t touch the Kurds, now the Kurds and Americans have realized all hopelessness The positions of each individual again reached out to each other and all over again. The Turkish army until the Euphrates reaches the problem of the Kurds and the Americans standing behind them will not solve it, but Assad is against it, and we, as always, are in balance with both yours and ours. can last for many years.

Most likely, the American commanders realized that they had collapsed prematurely and completely in vain ... And Syria could not take advantage of the American bear sickness ...

[alexmach]

Eh, in vain we entered with our mediation and agreed with the Turks so that those Kurds would not touch

Not in vain. Russia didn’t actually agree on this, but ... a surprise surprise from the United States, a couple of days before meeting with Putin, Erdogan met with Pence ... But Russia and Turkey simply divided the roles among themselves.

[Sky strike fighter]

By the way, NYT got an article about those events.

I wonder what NYT article would have been punished for, whether the coalition attacked by the coalition attacked and ordered to bring down coalition aviation? How many planes would they put?

[Jack O'Neill]

I wonder what NYT article would have been punished for, whether the coalition attacked by the coalition attacked and ordered to bring down coalition aviation? How many planes would they put?

Exactly the same, with minor corrections for downed Syrian aircraft. Russia would not have climbed on the Amers, the benefit at the top is not quite going to sit.


Here, by the way, the article itself;

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fmiddleeast&action=click&contentCollection=middleeast&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=3&pgtype=sectionfront

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The New York Times newspaper described in detail the events of the battle in Syria with the participation of the US military and PMC Wagner. US soldiers unsuccessfully tried to convince Russian mercenaries to stop the offensive.

The American newspaper The New York Times on Friday, 25 May, published a detailed reconstruction of the battle between the US military and the troops of the Syrian army and Russian mercenaries, allegedly from PMC Wagner. The battle took place on February 7 2018 of the year in Syrian Deir ez-Zor.

According to NYT, from 200 to 300, soldiers who attacked an oil refinery controlled by US special forces, including an undetermined number of Russians, died in the course of it. Among the Americans, who were about 40 people, there were no losses.

According to the publication, the US military suspected that there might be Russians among the armed groups operating in the area, as they intercepted radio conversations in Russian. However, the Russian military command, with which the Americans were in constant contact, assured them that it did not control the troops in the region.

During the first 15 minutes, the Americans tried to contact the Russian military to convince them to stop the offensive. After this failed, they tried for some time to stop the attack with warning shots. Only after this was air assistance requested, and a massive blow was inflicted on the advancing troops.

The outcome of the battle and most of the events that took place indicate that the Russian mercenaries and their Syrian allies "were in the wrong part of the world" to try to overwhelm the American positions, sums up the NYT.

[Vincet]

An article in amerskoy newspaper is of course wonderful, for lovers of such reading, just could you share more substantial evidence, preferably a photo or video. When this all happened, the Syrian and Russian sides officially declared about 14 dead, as far as I remember, of which three were Russians, and the rest were Syrians. On the other hand, there were just epic stories about hundreds of dead, the maximum number that caught the eye, about which the most stubborn of the sect of "limitless American power" broadcast, was something about 1400 dead, plus a lightened photograph of the Martian landscape of the curiosity rover, with a photo superimposed on it of a defeated column of punitive forces from the Armed Forces. This was the end of the evidence and no one has yet provided new ones, but from time to time there appear those who, with a blue eye, continue to broadcast about hundreds of murdered Wagners, Mozarts, Beethovens and others. So, perhaps you have these so rare photos and video frames that were made by witnesses of that epic carnage, unless, of course, all of them had their phones massively discharged at that moment.

[Jack O'Neill]

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3542145

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3549540

https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5a7bde9a9a79477845902e2c

https://www.interfax.ru/world/599015

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3547271

- Alexey Ladygin from Ryazan,

- Vladimir Loginov from Kaliningrad,

- Stanislav Matveev from the city of Asbest, Sverdlovsk region,

- Igor Kosoturov, Asbest,

- Kirill Ananiev.

There are enough links. The only thing I don’t remember is that at the official level, our people said something about eo. But then PMCs.

[Vincet]

Wonderful, here is one of the links, the Russian Foreign Ministry officially confirms the death of 5 Russian citizens. In the rest, the same cool stories, as in the article from the New York Times you provided above, with links to unnamed sources in the state administration and the Pentagon. However, you are talking about two or three hundred dead. It's just that I'm trying to imagine this picture, such a number of people killed with Russian citizenship, there should be a lot of photos and videos in the style of the "Kuwait Highway of Death", this is what reputational damage the Americans could have done if they provided such footage. Well, okay, let's say, for some reason, they didn't do it, it's not clear why, but let's say. But after all, both then and now, fighters of Kurdish armed formations are sitting in these fields, and such a battle is unfolding in front of them, American planes are bombing, a bunch of dead, and not one of the Kurds thought to capture it, while on the net a bunch of their videos about each successful launch of an ATGM on Turkish technology, but this was not filmed here. Moreover, in our time, when any Chinese dialer can shoot, record, transmit and upload to social networks with one click, not to mention normal smartphones, three or four cameras have been inserted into the last apple phone. But, apparently, it was at that moment that everything was abruptly and unexpectedly discharged, and no one broadcasting about the countless losses of our PMCs provided any sane evidence.

[Jack O'Neill]

[quote] Wonderful, here is one of the links, the Russian Foreign Ministry officially confirms the death of 5 Russian citizens. [/ quote]
Yes, I deduced the names.

[quote] In the rest, the same cool stories as the article you wrote above from the New York Times with links to unnamed sources in the US administration and the Pentagon. [/ quote
And our media write the same thing. Strange, don’t you? Maybe this is something?

[quote] However, you are talking about two to three hundred dead. [/ quote]
Not me, but the media.

[Quote] But both then and now in these fields sit fighters Kurdish armed groups, and that's in front of them unfolds this battle, amerskoy planes carried out the bombing, a bunch of dead, and none of the Kurds guessed capture it at the time, like a lot of their videos on the network about every successful launch of a ptur in Turkish technology, but they haven’t removed it. [/ quote]
It would be most interesting to watch the video. But there is no vidos, but there are dead.

[Vincet]

No, I don’t find it strange, our media, it doesn’t matter whether they are pro-Western, or supporting an official state position, simply reprint articles from foreign publications, which, in turn, do not provide any clear evidence of the huge losses of Russian mercenaries. Five of our dead citizens are very disappointing and sad, however, I apologize for a certain amount of cynicism, they somehow do not drag on monstrous losses. Well, as for the lack of evidence, I am not surprised how much I do not ask them to share with someone who confidently claims hundreds of people killed in those events almost two years ago, the answer is either similar to yours, or any indecency from the most stubborn individuals. Therefore, I do not consider it appropriate or even more reliable to make such statements about those events with only reliance on the publication of all kinds of media that do not provide any sound solid evidence.

[Revival]

Here I have a question about this event.
So how many Americans have died?
If not one, then why?
PMC? Therefore?
Why did the Americans say that the Kurds were with them and when they attacked the Kurds, they used all means of destruction personally, and we said that Assad is our ally and when silence was struck in response to them?
Interesting moment !?

[Vincet]

Yes, you can ask a million questions about those events. The point is not even in them, or in the answers that are offered by different parties, the point is the complete absence of even remotely sane evidence confirming the deaths of so many Russian citizens who could be identified as mercenaries. Here are some people who have been discussing with me here who propose not to believe in the official statements of our Foreign Ministries and Defense Ministries, but calmly suggest believing in articles in Western media that have been reprinted by many domestic media in which there is no solid evidence, but there are references to some abstract unnamed sources in the State Department and the Pentagon, and there is no dissonance among people about this. And in one of the messages below they even pointed out minuses, although I did not even try to prove or disprove something, I only allowed myself to doubt the statements of some unknown Western names and asked for clear documentary evidence of what had happened, which had been almost two years later after those events, so far no one has provided, and this is in our age of universal digitalization and development of photo and video recording tools. But, from time to time, characters appear announcing the complete defeat of Russian PMCs and huge losses, while confirmation of this lives only in the form of cool stories, but there are absolutely no reinforced concrete specifics, photos or videos.

[Jerk]

could you share more substantial evidence, preferably a photo or video

And you posted the reprints of OBSiKP. Hailie Likely everyone died, I tell you! (C)

[DMB_95]

Kommersant, RBK, NYT ...... And you don't think your position is one-sided with stars and stripes in your eyes ?? Oh, you just "respect amers" ..

[Ironcity]

There was information from the Americans about the broken-down convoy of militants that they were Russian there, they denied it, referring to our officers, with whom they agreed to strike and who stated that ours were not there. The information that there was a detachment of Wagnerites in the convoy of about 200 people who died almost completely came from the Wagnerites themselves. About the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation - it is ridiculous, surprising that they at least recognized something, after they themselves agreed on their own blow, the source of information is funnier - only the performances of the most fabulous. Well, about witnesses with phones: if you are featured in artillery, Apaches and ganship in the middle of the desert, of course, the first thing for the phone is for you, yeah.

[Vincet]

Unfortunately, I do not have any Wagnerite acquaintances who could provide such information, if you have it, would you be so kind as to share this information. Well, maybe at least some short video, a couple of photos from those who survived in this monstrous meat grinder. And I, in turn, if you didn’t understand, I spoke about the Kurdish fighters who are still located at oil fields in that locality, they are neither artillery, nor Apaches, nor ganships, nor anything else, figured, and it was precisely their position that the Americans defended by delivering the very blows. That's just them, and they could capture everything in the smallest details, but the Americans themselves are even more so.

[Ironcity]

It is clear that you have no idea about the event (where, how, at what time of day), but you are trying to discuss it. Flashes on the background of the night skyline - these are all the details that your witnesses could capture.

[Vincet]

That is, you have no idea about the event, but for some reason you declare that it was at night. Well, so be it, but you, apparently, are not aware of the technical capabilities of modern video and photo equipment, there are a lot of videos shot at night in the network, of excellent quality, which show a lot, if for some reason you did not have the opportunity with such a technique get to know, well, that's your problem. Further, three hundred dead Russian mercenaries were declared, these are only mercenaries, and there were also Syrian troops there, but no one even counted them like that, there were more than mercenaries, fewer, or the same, but in any case, the general the death toll should already be more than three hundred. To remove all the dead and hide the traces of such a bombardment for the remaining night time, after it ended it is simply unrealistic. It would be morning and even then, it would be possible to make just a mountain of video evidence, however, they still are not. And in conclusion, I’m not even going to argue with you that I have no idea what happened then, but you, unlike me, are so confident in talking about those events that make the impression that your confidence should be based simply on irrefutable evidence, which I really would like to look at, and not just me, people in the comments above also showed interest in them. Therefore, if you have such photos and videos, once again with all due respect, I ask you to provide them to the public, so be kind.

[sniperino]

Quote: VinceT

An article in an Amerskiy newspaper is certainly wonderful, for lovers of such a reading, only, could you share more substantial evidence

Yeah, right now! You still suggest to them to throw out a training manual and to pass a source study course. This is not some kind of lovers, but pros: there is no time to look for more substantial evidence, you have to shake it.

[Zeev Zeev]

I think that in the case of an air defense cover, a couple of hundreds of corpses would also have added anti-aircraft gunners' calculations, which they would have carried out in the first place.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

I think that in the case of an air defense cover, a couple of hundreds of corpses would also have added anti-aircraft gunners' calculations, which they would have carried out in the first place.

Is it clear that coalition aviation is outside the laws of physics? Is it not knocked down or something? Only even the old Syrian S-125 or S-200 were enough to bring down the F-16 Sufa, if you have not forgotten yet.

[Zeev Zeev]

F-16s were able to shoot down because the pilot collapsed without performing an anti-ballistic maneuver. Moreover, this is the first Israeli combat aircraft shot down in thirty-something years. Despite the fact that they shoot at our air force constantly.
Want to add air defense to the Wagner equation? Without a bazaar. The only possible option with air defense (except for MANPADS) is to drive there mobile complexes like "Square", "Wasps" and "Buk", and also dilute this with MZA like "Shilka". Most likely there would have been just a couple of "Shiloks" (against a reinforced platoon of marines and a company of Kurds), but let's say that a couple of "Os" also broke off from the bounty. Taking into account the factor of surprise, it is possible that one of the "Raptors", which originally swirled over the battlefield, could have failed. Then EF-18 appears in the sky, four F / A-18s and everything goes in the same rhythm, only burning air defense weapons are added to the burning trucks.

[Jack O'Neill]

Everything is simpler: reconnaissance would burn the air defense systems and ZSU, after which an outfit of forces would be allocated to suppress and destroy the column undercover.
be identified pair A-10C, those to be worked AGM-65, whereupon be walked F-16 or F-15E, or generally AH-64 / AH-1Z.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Everything is simpler: reconnaissance would burn the air defense systems and ZSU, after which an outfit of forces would be allocated to suppress and destroy the column undercover.
be identified pair A-10C, those to be worked AGM-65, whereupon be walked F-16 or F-15E, or generally AH-64 / AH-1Z.

For that matter, then B-52, to fill up a couple of pieces, as in Afghanistan. Appetite comes with eating.

[Zeev Zeev]

In Afghanistan, shot down a pair of B-52?

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

F-16s were able to shoot down because the pilot collapsed without performing an anti-ballistic maneuver. Moreover, this is the first Israeli combat aircraft shot down in thirty-something years. Despite the fact that they shoot at our air force constantly.
Want to add air defense to the Wagner equation? Without a bazaar. The only possible option with air defense (except for MANPADS) is to drive there mobile complexes like "Square", "Wasps" and "Buk", and also dilute this with MZA like "Shilka". Most likely there would have been just a couple of "Shiloks" (against a reinforced platoon of marines and a company of Kurds), but let's say that a couple of "Os" also broke off from the bounty. Taking into account the factor of surprise, it is possible that one of the "Raptors", which originally swirled over the battlefield, could have failed. Then EF-18 appears in the sky, four F / A-18s and everything goes in the same rhythm, only burning air defense weapons are added to the burning trucks.

A pair of Os against the entire coalition aviation? Well, at least a couple of Bukov brigades, and preferably S-300PMU-2.

[Zeev Zeev]

So the Americans asked your headquarters in Syria: "Is it yours hanging around there? If yes, then remove them." And after a negative answer, the advancing column was gouged.

[Jack O'Neill]

For that matter, then B-52, to fill up a couple of pieces, as in Afghanistan. Appetite comes with eating.

Have they shot down Anfield?
Not that cool as Minitman-3 lost in Russia, but also interesting.)

[poquello]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

I think that in the case of an air defense cover, a couple of hundreds of corpses would also have added anti-aircraft gunners' calculations, which they would have carried out in the first place.

but don’t think, along the way - it’s harmful, it was forbidden to answer the Americans fire

[DRM]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

By the way, NYT got an article about those events.

I wonder what NYT article would have been punished for, whether the coalition attacked by the coalition attacked and ordered to bring down coalition aviation? How many planes would they put?

To fantasize about "if only" is obviously wrong. There is a given. And you need to analyze what happened in order to understand why exactly this happened. Just think:
1. Purely technically: Americans in BV are many times more aviation than at the Khmeimim base.
2. Politically: no one in the Kremlin absolutely needs to aggravate the situation and llama behind the scenes with Trump.
3. Perhaps it was a "test for lice". We wanted to see how the Americans would behave in such an environment. That is why PMCs were thrown at them - their politicians do not mind.

[Romario_Argo]

The main thing is that some hot guys do not have the idea to stop the Americans

rather, as in the 1945 year, the Konigsberg forts took, so ours and wedge between the penguins
* experience would already be: standing on the river. Ugra - standing at Deir ez-zor

[lukewarm]

It was the other way around, February 7th. They were not stopped, but they defeated the convoy. It’s time to return the debt, but it won’t work out: there the regular army fought with PMCs and the turntables did not cover the Wagnerites.

[tlauicol]

have you tried mining roads? like: "so that the babakhi don't leave / don't come."
even just stick a plate on the MINE DANGER border and that's it - the column is

[Mainbeam]

Quote: Tlauicol

just a sign on the border of MINE DANGER

remembered a laugh

The terminal point for the transfer of American troops (and this is several hundred military personnel) is the province of Deir ez-Zor, previously most of which was liberated by the Syrian government army from terrorists

He laughed twice. And who will stop them now, if not mines? Or rather, who dares? A few days ago everyone sneezed at the cowardly Yankos! And now where to propose to put this rzhach? Let's see how our people will react, except for the notes of protest.
Yes, the mines would delay and reduce the pace of movement, but who knows ....

[Grits]

Quote: MainBeam

He laughed twice. And who will stop them now, if not mines? Or rather, who dares? A few days ago everyone sneezed at the cowardly Yankos!

So I previously argued that you should not underestimate the Yankees. No matter how we swagger, they are the only force that is not afraid of anyone there and that can pile on anyone. Including us, regrettably.
And the Syrians, led by our strategists, were stupid to the fullest and pecked at the bait of the Americans. hoping that they would leave forever, they decided to block the border with Turkey and protect the Kurds. Naive. I assumed that while the Turks would wet the Kurds, the SAA would quickly cross the Euphrates and expel the Kurds from under Dai Ez-Zor, freeing the oil fields they had captured. Let the Kurds there in the north, the Turks would grind - rightly so. But the Syrians were stupid. Now they will contain the Kurds, and the Americans pump their oil. Glory to the great mnogoghodovochka and cunning plan!

[Zeev Zeev]

How much is that oil, and what is the USA for? This is the Turkish Deir al-Zur is very necessary.

[Jerk]

Tell this to Trump, who bluntly said that the US is present in Syria ONLY because of oil.
PiSi: UN Security Council condemns the United States for the systematic killings of al-Baghdadi

[Zeev Zeev]

And now we read the whole speech of Trump in English.

[Jerk]

And now we read the speech, and we see in it the complete absence of the words "destroy ISIS" or "bring democracy" even, but we see: "We remain to guard the OIL"! And that's all, nothing else but keeping watch on oil, they won't even do it according to official requests!
Read, it’s good for you.

[Zeev Zeev]

So ISIS Russia won, and five times, if memory serves.

[maden.usmanow]

That is, Trump said

We Americans extract oil there, and therefore we remain

Or do you still quote him verbatim?

"[W] e are leaving soldiers to secure the oil. And we may have to fight for the oil. It's okay. Maybe somebody else wants the oil, in which case they have a hell of a fight. But there's massive amounts of oil ...

"And we're securing it for a couple of reasons. Number one, it stops ISIS, because ISIS got tremendous wealth from that oil. We have taken it. It's secured. Number two - and again, somebody else may claim it, but either we'll negotiate a deal with whoever is claiming it, if we think it's fair, or we will militarily stop them very quickly. "

to secure - secure

Trump said he leaves the soldier to guard the oil fields.
America produces 11 million barrels of oil per day.
First place in the world, why do they need Syrian oil fields.
Obviously, this oil is not produced by the Americans, but the Kurds themselves, who live there, and before the Kurds from the same areas, ISIS extracted oil, and not the Americans at all.

Which American campaign, in their right mind, will produce oil there?
Neither Trump nor the army will force oil industry workers to climb there when there is oil shale.
It is the Kurds who mine and sell it.

[Jerk]

That security guard. Unlike that make it save. Safe zone and secure zone are even different in English! Then you have a lie:
* Trump in plain text - we remain because of oil - period!
* Who they call the gas station country. if you say this is about them?
*

when there is a slate

NO SHALE! Officially, since the start of production, the companies invested in oil shale at a loss - losses of at least 200 billion from the 50 largest oil shale companies. NO SHALE, NO!
* In the USA, ISIS traded in oil.
* There is no need to extract American oil - there is ISIS and it works like that! But they are being protected by the American Academies, which were and will be on the deposits of Syria

Private US military companies not only train Syrian fighters, but also rob oil fields. For example, PMC fighters launched the production and export of oil for sale from fields such as Konako, El Omar and Tanak, on the eastern bank of the Euphrates. This was at a briefing by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff Sergei Rudskoy.

He also clarified that private military companies continue to deploy reinforcements to Syria. Now in the territory of the Arab Republic there are up to 3,5 PMC fighters. Moreover, they are covered by coalition aviation led by the United States.

And there it was with photographs, and before that, convoys of transports from the American zone had been caught, also with photos.

[maden.usmanow]

11 million barrels of oil per day. In a day.
But is there no oil shale?
There are no more questions

[Tatyana]

Quote: maden.usmanow

Or do you still quote him verbatim?

"[W] e are leaving soldiers to secure the oil. And we may have to fight for the oil. It's okay. Maybe somebody else wants the oil, in which case they have a hell of a fight. But there's massive amounts of oil ...
- "And we're securing it for a couple of reasons. Number one, it stops ISIS, because ISIS got tremendous wealth from that oil. We have taken it. It's secured. Number two - and again, somebody else may claim it , but either we'll negotiate a deal with whoever is claiming it, if we think it's fair, or we will militarily stop them very quickly. "

The translation sounds like this.

“We leave the soldiers to provide (ourselves) with oil. And we may have to fight for oil. It's okay. Maybe someone else needs oil, in which case they will have a hell of a fight. But there is a huge amount of oil. ...

- And we protect him (Dai-ez-Zora) for several reasons.
At firstThis stops ISIS because ISIS has gained tremendous wealth from this oil. We took it. He is protected.
Second. And again, if someone else can claim it, then either we will make a deal with whoever claims it, if we think it is fair; or we will very quickly stop them militarily. "

[Jerk]

I believe that both bots know English. But despite this, they still post a quote that confirms not theirs, but my words. What is the reason? Well, how can I tell you ... At one time a propaganda ministry was created in Ukraine. The US goebbels were supervised, not bad, as they say they received. But they were so creepy that about a year later Biden dispersed them to the root! Otherwise, in an effort to lick the heels of the owner, they were not just stupid (to hell with him), but directly smeared the owner in guana! The owner of the yazak erased to tell how white and fluffy they are, just filthy anti-Semites do not like the small ethnic group Ukrov - and here these gebbelsyaia are dragging a photo exhibition with "fighters" to Brussels, otherwise. all in swastikas ...
And what's the reason? I don’t know, maybe the same?

[Jerk]

Hey bacha. Change another ram! That ram at the fire-shopping center, and now you, ram-head, you have to fade about Russia-all-nothing. ABOUT! Oh, wei. Usman has a joke. Like Usman the goat is about to ... Two awkward turns ... And about to goat it

[alexmach]

How much is that oil, and what is the USA for?

As a food supply for the puppet state.

[Zeev Zeev]

For Kurdistan? Well, not that they are puppets.

[alexmach]

After all, they have some kind of their own SSA ...

[Elephant]

A good offer, but for some reason such a thing flies past our strategists, who apparently believe that these are not our methods.

[Zeev Zeev]

Do you really think so?

[tlauicol]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Do you really think so?

??

[Zeev Zeev]

That the Yankees would stop at the Mine Danger signs?

[tlauicol]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

That the Yankees would stop at the Mine Danger signs?

of course. Otherwise it can not be

[Zeev Zeev]

Well, the Wagnerites thought so too.

[tlauicol]

Wagnerites mined the road? Wagnerites joined the battle with a convoy? With an armored column? What are you talking about?
Then ten boys will come out stuck 20 signs and go figure it out if there are mines or not. No need to shoot

[Zeev Zeev]

How much will this delay the column? For 15 minutes? And what's the point?

[tlauicol]

So much for 15? One stop, two, three, and there is a mine, you see, a bridge has been blown up, a roadblock has been established ...

[Zeev Zeev]

It can only work in the books of alternative "history". But you try, and we laugh.

[tlauicol]

Suggest an alternative, or just hindsight strong? How not to let them in or delay them

[Zeev Zeev]

Firstly, the Americans personally do not bother me there at all. Secondly, in the current scenario, there are ways, but they are of domestic political Syria and your country (or rather those in your country who are interested in the participation of the Russian Federation in local batches) is extremely unprofitable.

[tlauicol]

this is the answer ? even Yavlinsky would envy you

[Zeev Zeev]

I do not know who Yavlinsky is

[Avior]

Mine trawl will be put and moved forward
what is this

[tlauicol]

On the asphalt? They will ride for a long time in addition, how do they know what bookmark there is - because in many cases the trawl is useless

[Avior]

Drive along the sidelines. Do not mine the entire desert
If the mine is a push action, then how do you suppose its work under the asphalt?
Mine clearance will be allowed.
If it is a radio-controlled landmine, they use it.

Do not exaggerate the importance of the minefield for a high-tech army

[tlauicol]

Of course they will pass early or LATE. But it was worth a try. In addition, something I did not see at the head of their convoy, neither the UR, nor the bridges, nor the EW - would stop as nice

[Avior]

They are somewhere inside, and would have left for the head if necessary. The Americans have been there for a long time, and they probably know about all potential local surprises and are ready for them.
Lay mines in the pavement, it’s not a three-minute business, ahead of the convoy there’s probably aerial reconnaissance, they will catch you at work, they will send helicopters
No one was willing to experience.
Again, who will land the mines? Kurds? So the Africans gathered for them to protect the oil fields.

[tlauicol]

Yes, you don’t have to lay anything, well, throw aside a couple. Set plates - let them search every 2km - there is a lot of iron

[Avior]

No one will look for anything.
Either boom or trawl cars use, or go round.
If it were as simple as you write, there would generally be fighting

[tlauicol]

Quote: Avior

They are somewhere inside, and would have left for the head if necessary.

Type: how to explode - Call!?
Most likely they are not there

[Avior]

Most likely, there is no real threat from mines on the tracks.

[Elephant]

They muddied again. All according to the thieves scheme of the Merikos!

[Livonetc]

Apparently somewhere in Syria, the Americans in a hurry left the apparatus for cloning Al Baghdadi and similar creatures.
For loss received zvizdyule and sent back.

[Deniska999]

And how recently everyone was happy, the Americans were running, they were running ... How far did they run away?

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Syrian oil mother beckons overseas falcons ...

[knn54]

How can you "wash away" the Syrian oil slick on the reputation of the Yankees?

[Zeev Zeev]

What is not clear? The troops were withdrawn so that Al Baghdadi got out of his refuge in Turkey and headed towards the territory liberated from the Yankees. The Turks really need a good reason to sit in the oil fields of Deir al-Zur and the "revival of the Caliphate" under the leadership of Al Baghdadi was the best fit for this. But then there was a bummer, the Americans and Baghdadi slapped, and the oil fields were not released for the Turks.

[carstorm 11]

yeah. over the past couple of years, in my opinion, 4 times he has already been slapped) is he a mountaineer or something? until the head is chopped off, dies?)

[Zeev Zeev]

All four times hollowed from drones, and then special forces landed, who picked up the carcass.

[carstorm 11]

Well, let's see) although something tells me the carcass will be very secret and everyone will be offered to take a word) not. I don’t mind that he would be overwhelmed, but after the last fails, words alone will not be enough for everyone

[Zeev Zeev]

If Trump congratulated Bibi, then most likely the bearded man number one still scored.

[carstorm 11]

iron argument) why show the carcass, you just have to wait for congratulations and exhale to everyone)

[Zeev Zeev]

The carcass seemed to have pulled itself along with the children, there is nothing to show.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

The carcass seemed to have pulled itself along with the children, there is nothing to show.

Well, they cheated so that, according to the invented crazy legend about undermining with children, there was nothing to show. I am 100% sure that this is another nonsense in the style of high-husky likes. There is nothing to talk about. For whom do you take people to carry such nonsense? In all the newspapers of the Middle East they openly laugh at this version, go to the website of the media and read the translations. They lie so that no one believes in this nonsense. Clowns.

[Town Hall]

Quote: carstorm 11

yeah. over the past couple of years, in my opinion, 4 times he has already been slapped) is he a mountaineer or something? until the head is chopped off, dies?)

Are you talking about it?
Moscow. June 16, 2017. INTERFAX.RU - The leader of the terrorist group "Islamic State" (IS, banned in Russia), Ibrahim Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, according to preliminary data, was destroyed in Syria as a result of a Russian airstrike, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Friday.

The attack of the Su-35 and Su-34 aircraft was delivered at the end of May in the southern suburbs of Raqqi, where the meeting of the leaders of the IS was held.

"According to information that is being verified through various channels, the meeting was also attended by the leader of IS, Ibrahim Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who was destroyed as a result of the attack," the Russian military said.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

What is not clear? The troops were withdrawn so that Al Baghdadi got out of his refuge in Turkey and headed towards the territory liberated from the Yankees. The Turks really need a good reason to sit in the oil fields of Deir al-Zur and the "revival of the Caliphate" under the leadership of Al Baghdadi was the best fit for this. But then there was a bummer, the Americans and Baghdadi slapped, and the oil fields were not released for the Turks.

Comedian. Five points for trolling amers.

[protoss]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Turks really need a good reason to sit on the oil fields of Deir al-Zur

Turks finally do not need this oil - neither Syrian nor Iraqi. they have a different strategy - oil is produced by the fighting Aborigines and hand over 10 tanks (exaggerate) per barrel on the Turkish border. and these 10 tanks are immediately returned to Turkey for Turkish goods - products, clothes, building materials, gasoline, etc. because the Syrians and Iraqis themselves do not produce anything.

[Dmitry Potapov]

We look forward to the reaction of the international community and the countries of NATO members to illegal invasion and sanctions against the United States!

[cniza]

Well, yes, only while you can talk ... the United States can only be driven out by force ...

[Nycomed]

Has Assad allowed?

[Zeev Zeev]

Assad is asking someone?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Nycomed

Has Assad allowed?

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Assad is asking someone?

Does he even exist? I haven’t even heard of him at a single meeting lately ...

[Zeev Zeev]

Not, it seems recently appeared in the troops. But the point is that.

[Vladimir61]

Ours and E. would have taken, as they did, in a column with the soldiers of PMC Wagner. And then, one could make excuses.

[Zeev Zeev]

Yeah, and the Americans would not send fighters to save their convoy. Dreams ...

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Yeah, and the Americans would not send fighters to save their convoy. Dreams ...

It’s bad that we, at all times, not only "Save Private Vanya", but also to avenge our own people, at the level of political expediency, is somehow not accepted. Some concerns and appeals to the world community, which is tantamount to a "dead poultice".

[zache]

Quote: Vladimir61

Ours and E. would have taken, as they did, in a column with the soldiers of PMC Wagner. And then, one could make excuses.

Why do you hate the Russian military so much?

[Vladimir61]

Quote: zaches

Why do you hate the Russian military so much?
Reply

What area of ​​consciousness was this thought imposed on you? Although, given your reputation, you might not have to ask ...

[7,62x54]

Here is the setup for the Kurds. Amer escorted stones, but now it is necessary to meet.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: 7,62x54

Amer escorted stones, but now it is necessary to meet.

Give them "flowers" from the Russian greenhouse to meet them ...

[7,62x54]

Peony, Hyacinth, Tulip, Carnation. Subtly, I noted

[Sky strike fighter]

Then do not give them flowers, but from these flowers. There is nothing to arm them.

[Prisoner]

Leaving without saying goodbye to English pins is not inherent. These are saying goodbye for a long time and until they get a podzhopnik, they will not budge. And steal while there is time. Guess who it is?

[cniza]

Reports that the United States are preparing to transfer its troops from northwest Iraq to the oil-bearing regions of Syria began to arrive a few days ago. And now this information is confirmed. The Turkish news agency reports that the convoy in some sections is moving under the cover from the air, which is provided by American helicopters.

Yes, it’s just that the United States will not leave, they can only be driven away by force.

[Ross xnumx]

US Army column under cover of helicopters moves to Deir ez-Zor province from Iraq

Are they so frustrated that they consider themselves UN security forces?
I do not understand either Syria, the Russian Federation, or Turkey ... They wanted to - they entered ... Maybe Russia should just try to send troops to Alaska?

[abvgdeika]

The attempt is not torture, or ....

[demokrat86]

Yes, this is a setup for everyone, ours with foam at the mouth sore about the “flight” of the Syrians, Kurds, etc. The media sing praises which Russian super duper all played about, but in the end what? Another bunch, zilch and other unpleasant odors, Yankers play their game and do not look at anyone, much less ask. Right now I smell the minuses, but it will not change the essence. Here to capture this area first, as at one time the Slatina airfield, as an option, but partners can be offended, and we have a gut to hurt them

[carstorm 11]

why hurt them? what is the profit?) what would happen?) let the Turks have a headache about this. we have our own affairs.

[Polymer]

Quote: demokrat86

and we have a gut to hurt them

Assad is also too weak to snarl ...
Maybe it was not necessary to poke on the Persians? They are now the most decisive of the US adversaries.

[Sergst]

What does "capture the area first" mean? There, actually, the Americans were and are, do you propose to fight with them?

[Babermetis]

Trump made it clear that oil fields should be secured for further exploitation, with the possibility, in the future, to come to an agreement with the Syrian authorities on business.

[Saboteur Holuy]

They have great armored cars, you can go in and out without a damn thing. They apparently refused from the Hammers ... out of date

[Volodin]

Quote: Saboteur Holuay

Cool they have armored cars, in full growth, you can not dare to go in and out.

And the Saudis say: cool armored cars. As soon as the Houthis with RPGs appear, the valiant Saudi warriors come out at once "to their full height" so that later they are not "picked out" in parts.

[Saboteur Holuy]

So this is not a tank ... watch a video of how T-72 and T-80 were burning from an RPG in Grozny ... but this is still an armored personnel carrier ... it protects from small arms and from some mines ...

[Sky strike fighter]

To quickly run into an armored car and get the hell out of the Turkish army. Everything is thought out to the smallest detail.

[Saboteur Holuy]

By the way, yes! I read that our wounded tankers often burned in the T-34 because the hatch was cramped and often jammed ... it was worth a lot to jump out!

[Saboteur Holuy]

Most likely these are the Green Berets from the land MTR, they will monitor

[Pacifist]

... a convoy of American troops is moving in the direction of the oil fields of Syria ...

Geeks have once again shown what kind of geeks they are. What is there to be surprised.

[Alex Nevs]

Various analysts will chase the coffee grounds, guessing at the same coffee grounds.

[Zaurbek]

Americans play out .... someone can invest in partisans and a peaceful war.

[Bookcase]

The East is no longer the same, and so rude to deal with it is already dangerous. The Americans still do not understand this, but they will soon get it popularly shelved :-).

[7,62x54]

This has never happened, and here again

[alexmach]

Reports that the US is preparing to transfer its troops from northwest Iraq to the oil regions of Syria

And here we were perplexed and rejoiced - why did they drive away so quickly ... and they didn’t, they pre-deployed away from the Turkish border and closer to oil.

[nobody111body]

a bunch of American Jews from Mexico should be crushed and Israeli from Lebanon, then things will be more fun

[Berkut24]

Based on the fact that the US Presidents say one thing, but something completely different happens, I have long had the impression that the US Army and the CIA live their own lives and their commercial interests. Not interested in who and what orders, what is the opinion of the rest of the world and what are the interests of the United States.
Generals for the state. account earn here and now.

[Vladimir Nizhegorodsky]

Again, extracting and selling oil stolen from Syria will be sung by the Kurds about the formation of Kurdistan.
I hope the Kurds this time will not accept this topic and understand the US fraud.
Yankees go home !!!!!!!!!!!!!
✊

[Tzar]

Oil fields in southern Syria do not seem to be controlled by the Kurds, but by the SDF wing, which consists of local Arab tribes (formerly part of ISIS, then repainted), which generally did not give up any central authority, their goal is to sell oil to anyone, even on waste prices, if only all the income from the sale came into their tribal budget. So the Kurds there are little to decide.

[Alexey from Perm]

Americans don’t want to give oil to Assad.

[Dikson]

They beautifully lit up ... as expected by smart people ... Interesting, but if they had entered such a column in Khmeimim, would our Foreign Ministry express concern? Or would he get off with deep disappointment with the actions of the partner? It is surprising why Israel has not yet bitten off a piece of Syria? After all, there is such an opportunity! This is all sad. And God forbid anyone to arrange a provocation in the form of shooting at this column .. - definitely dumped on Assad or Russia ..

[Sling cutter]

Eugene)There, one chaveka tried to squeeze the refinery in favor of interested parties .... There are few of them left ...
all oil-bearing regions are under that striped control, and we continue to bamboos forbidden in the Russian Federation, well, this is the cellist’s stationery staging proclaiming the 125th victory .. But for some reason, the bearded leaders will eliminate the US special forces ... strange ...

[Vipirozhnikow]

Here it’s interesting to me - what would they do if all the roads along the route are stupidly torn to a sufficient depth - in sections of 200 meters.

[Avior]

A bulldozer in front would be let go.
If the troops could be stopped in such primitive ways, the Germans would not have gone further than Smolensk at 41.

[Dikson]

Army equipment, generally off-road .. and I’ll beat your grooves, front gardens and fences from a camel’s BCA ... An armored personnel carrier easily breaks a brick wall if you wish ... all the more so - in warm countries put in half a brick ...

[Vipirozhnikow]

The technique is off-road, but there are tractors used to move on the march. And most supply trucks too;)

[Dikson]

And why are there so few unsubscribed of those Petrosyans that two days ago they competed in jokes about Americans draping up? Where is the explosion of jingoism? Where are the tales of abandoned diapers and toilet rolls? Gentlemen, be consistent .. - undertook to toss bonnets - so toss in every news on this resource ..

[spectr]

Deir ez-Zor haunts the USA. Once "by mistake" the Syrian garrison was bombed there. Now troops are being brought in.
Judging by the restrained reaction in the Russian top, something similar was supposed.

[Sly]

Quote: Dikson

And why are there so few unsubscribed of those Petrosyans that two days ago they competed in jokes about Americans draping up?

But I see here there are so many unsubscribed of those who are happy about the return of the Americans that they finished the whole article, already flowing down in all corners

[Dikson]

And you Sly, as I understand it, - a great specialist in masturbation?