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The Elusive Joe, the Unkillable Al-Baghdadi

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So, it happened: the main terrorist of the planet (after Osama bin Laden), the leader of the Islamic State banned in the Russian Federation, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, is finally destroyed by the Americans. True, the first question that arose after this news, sounded like this: once again?


The Elusive Joe, the Unkillable Al-Baghdadi


Information about the destruction of this villain as a result of US airstrikes has been disseminated many times. As far back as June 2016, all the world media claimed that he had definitely died. But each time the leader miraculously "reborn." Like an evil wizard, Voldemort from a series of books about Harry Potter, who divided his soul into seven parts and created crucifixes - a kind of witchcraft things intended for the subsequent resurrection from the world of the dead.

This time, however, the leader of the banned terrorist organization, according to the assurances of US President Donald Trump, is completely destroyed.

Who was in Idlib?


It was previously said that he was allegedly eliminated in Iraq, then there were rumors that al-Baghdadi was seriously ill and was in Afghanistan. And now, a special operation to rid the world of the dark lord of the militants was carried out in Syrian Idlib, a territory that remains under the control of the "opposition" gangs.

Stop! Again, something is not working out. Washington and its allies assured the whole world that there was a "moderate opposition" in Idlib. That is, not the “Islamic State” (it is ISIS or Daesh), which must be destroyed even by American standards, but white and fluffy fighters against the Syrian “regime”. Those whom, in the opinion of a “civilized society,” need to be protected.

On this basis, the Syrian Arab army constantly tied their hands, not allowing the liberation of one of the provinces of their country from terrorism. As soon as the offensive of the Armed Forces of the SAR began, pressure on official Damascus certainly passed. First, from the West, then Russia had to intervene in order to mitigate the consequences as much as possible.

It is clear that Moscow did not just stop the Syrian allies, but was forced to replace the hostilities with debates at the negotiating table. Before my eyes is a sad example of Eastern Guta - an area located near the Syrian capital. They couldn’t free him from gangs for a long time: as soon as the SAR army achieved any results there, loud provocations and threats of carpet bombing immediately followed.

The loudest “information bomb” exploded in August 2013, when the Syrian authorities were accused of using a chemical weapons against civilians. At that time, Syria was on the verge of direct full-scale aggression by Washington and other NATO countries.

Therefore, in the situation surrounding Idlib, Russia had to act with caution, and Syria itself to balance on the blade of a knife.

Now, it turns out, not the “democratic opposition” was sitting in Idlib, but the most radical Islamists — those who exponentially cut their heads, including to American citizens. And even the leader of the “Islamic State” himself was in the same place. Who did the United States and its allies defend all this time, putting sticks in the wheel in the cause of liberating the Syrian province? The answer is obvious.

What will change for Syria?


It would seem that after the current high-profile statements on the elimination of al-Baghdadi, he can no longer "rise". This would be a complete fall in the image of the United States and Donald Trump personally.

But earlier this was exactly what happened: the “destroyed” main terrorist appeared “on the radar” again, forcing to recall the joke about the Elusive Joe (who is not caught because nobody needs him). Unless the declarations of final liquidation sounded a little quieter than now.

Suppose this particular villain is indeed killed. Even Washington should sometimes sound true. What changes from this high-profile action can be in Syria, the Middle East, and indeed in the world? To answer this question, you need to remember what changed after previous reports of the death of al-Baghdadi. And the answer is disappointing: practically nothing has changed.

Maybe this time Donald Trump is really ready to do what he has promised for three years - to withdraw troops from Syria? Well, then a loud, deafening victory over the leader of the terrorists is very welcome. The goal is achieved. The main villain is defeated. You can leave not with defeat, but with victory. Well, or with her visibility. And explain to the Americans why the American soldiers were in Syrian territory. Moreover, a few days ago, in connection with the disagreement on the Syrian (or rather, Kurdish) issue between Washington and Ankara, it seemed that the United States was really ready to leave Syria.

But the same Trump gives too little hope that this will be realized. Syrian oil fields, he said, still need protection. Clearly, in whose "defense". In American. Yeah, it’s hard to expose the true purpose of all of Washington’s Middle East adventures better than the US president did.

Anyway, terrorism in Syria will not go anywhere - until the entire territory of the country passes under the control of the legitimate authorities. And after that he is unlikely to be allowed to stall so soon - most likely, there will be various sabotage and terrorist attacks for a long time to come.

Al-Baghdadi may be dead. “Elusive Joe” from a famous joke, for example, is caught and neutralized. But this does not mean that the main terrorist of the planet is destroyed. No, the main terrorist will continue to do everything to prevent a Syrian settlement. And he is not at all in Idlib. And there, from where comes the fake victory cry.
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 28 October 2019 05: 48
    +13
    So, it happened: the main terrorist of the planet (after Osama bin Laden), the leader of the “Islamic state” banned in the Russian Federation, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, is finally destroyed by the Americans
    it has already happened more than once ... I quit smoking as much wassat
    1. elenagromova
      28 October 2019 06: 07
      +4
      So that's about it ...
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 28 October 2019 06: 10
        +2
        Quote: elenagromova
        So that's about it ...

        so I'm Elena hi and do not mind .. I'm laughing at the Yankees!
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 4 November 2019 09: 34
        +1
        Quote: elenagromova
        So that's about it ...

        And every time they are proud ....
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 28 October 2019 05: 53
    +6
    Syrian oil under control, in the sense of under protection laughing Now we can say that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was killed ... Like, everything is over with terrorism ... laughing
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 28 October 2019 06: 56
      +5
      Now Americans can not share the proceeds of illegal oil with this Baghdadi. lol
      1. elenagromova
        28 October 2019 06: 57
        +4
        A new leader will arise.
        They will feed themselves, they will fight heroically with him, then 18 will soak them in the toilet once
        1. Sibiriya
          Sibiriya 28 October 2019 16: 21
          +2
          I completely agree with you. In this case, its elimination does not entail any preferences.
          17: 08 27.10.2019 According to the statement of the official representative of the department, Major General Igor Konashenkov, the constantly changing information and the constantly growing number of direct participants make it doubtful that the liquidation operation took place, and even more so, was successfully carried out.
          The fact that the Ministry of Defense cites the absence of air strikes by US or international coalition planes and the lack of facts of facilitating the passage of American aircraft into the airspace of the Idlib de-escalation zone, which, among other things, is controlled and controlled by the terrorist the Jabhat al-Nusra * group, which destroys any representative of the "competitors" on the spot.

          According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, based on the above circumstances, the American side should separately provide direct evidence of at least al-Baghdadi's stay in Idlib.

          Among other things, since the final defeat of ISIS * by the Syrian government army with the support of the Russian air forces at the beginning of 2018, the next “death” of al-Baghdadi has absolutely no operational significance for the situation in Syria or for the actions of the remaining terrorists in Idlib.
          1. Sibiriya
            Sibiriya 28 October 2019 19: 44
            +1
            https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201910281624-KiGou.html/player/
            Video from the TV channel Zvezda, from the place of the operation.
  3. HAM
    HAM 28 October 2019 07: 29
    +3
    And Trump's innermost: "Wow!" If you didn't say, like Hillary, then nothing will work ...
  4. cloud catcher
    cloud catcher 28 October 2019 07: 34
    +1
    Let "D.Kozyr" beat one of the leaders of IS, let him bring him points in the election race, let him blame the previous US presidents who had political and military adventures, but ... They will draw the right conclusions from their foreign policy and will not climb on the rampage!
    Although politics and finance "go side by side".
  5. gafarovsafar
    gafarovsafar 28 October 2019 08: 16
    0
    Lunar Odyssey No. 2
  6. Operator
    Operator 28 October 2019 08: 37
    +3
    John McCain's partner met with John McCain.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 28 October 2019 09: 08
    +2
    Today’s statement of our Defense Ministry really gives reason to doubt the event advertised by the Americans. But then, as the United States was presented, wait a day for the statement by the President of the United States, then Trump's retelling of some movie, if not the film, that was shown to him. And then questions, questions. ???
  8. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 28 October 2019 09: 30
    +4
    ISIS, al-Qaeda, the contra list of irregular US armies can go on endlessly ... If they kill (I doubt) they will bring up a new one ...
  9. Pacifist
    Pacifist 28 October 2019 09: 35
    +1
    The states are once again engaged in the cover of outright banditry, PR of empty news about the destruction of their own fosterlings.
  10. aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 October 2019 10: 00
    +1
    So, it happened: the main terrorist of the planet (after Osama bin Laden), the leader of the Islamic State banned in the Russian Federation, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, is finally destroyed by the Americans.

    "I do not believe!" K. S. Stanislavsky.
  11. Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 October 2019 10: 09
    +2
    I support the last paragraph of the article with all limbs.
  12. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 28 October 2019 16: 46
    -3
    And why did our guys from Alpha not come for Baghdadi? Why did he (Baghdadi), Americans (?) Fill up?
    Did our guys even look for this friend?
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 29 October 2019 14: 32
      +1
      And it’s difficult to look for a disgusted actor, and possibly not just one, and even under the close supervision of the CIA and others on Amec bases or in the states themselves. Remind me how al-katala kaida translates? Everything is adjusted to rob countries by a handful of interested parties. And the acts of terrorism, it’s already national self-sufficiency on the principle of self-sufficiency of the gang’s and force’s content, such as an organization behind us, who knows what kind of roof the igils take care of and cherish or urinate quickly, and the rest of the herd fight for the igils, and the other herds with them he is fighting, the third herd is afraid of terrorist attacks and pays for security to the Amers, the fourth on this in politics rises. In general, everything is in business. And in this chaos, getting to the CIA is already unrealistic. And they will use such a vile trick until the states detonate some kind of crisis from within.
  13. Mikhail Matyugin
    Mikhail Matyugin 28 October 2019 16: 56
    -2
    Elena, you know that everything is complicated and ambiguous in Syria, why should everything be smeared with one paint?

    Quote: Elena Gromova
    and white and fluffy fighters against the Syrian “regime”.
    Yes, some of these "white and fluffy" have revived the ancient cannibal practice of devouring the liver or heart of their slain enemy and slicing the heads of Syrian Christians.

    BUT

    Quote: Elena Gromova
    Those whom, in the opinion of a “civilized society,” need to be protected.
    the problem is that the number of those who opposed the dominance of the religious and ethnic sect of Assad at the beginning of the war reached up to 70% of the population. If the majority of the people are against the ruling regime, then how?

    Quote: Elena Gromova
    To answer this question, you need to remember what changed after previous reports of the death of al-Baghdadi. And the answer is disappointing: practically nothing has changed.
    This is purely your opinion, not supported by objective facts.

    Quote: Elena Gromova
    Yeah, it’s hard to expose the true purpose of all of Washington’s Middle East adventures better than the US president did.
    In general, your unloved Uncle Donald did a lot of things that NO US President had done before. In particular, his speeches at the UN in the style of "globalists will lose anyway, and the future belongs to real patriots in any country" will obviously cost him the presidency (the impeachment procedure has already been launched). The man in his confrontation with the globalist democrats has already gone so far that he risks much more than Kennedy ...
    1. elenagromova
      28 October 2019 17: 47
      +4
      If 70 percent of the population opposed the current government in Syria, it would not have been exact. But in reality - she lasted five years before Russia entered the battle.
      1. Mikhail Matyugin
        Mikhail Matyugin 29 October 2019 23: 47
        -3
        Quote: elenagromova
        If 70 percent of the population opposed the current government in Syria, it would not have been exact.
        Most of the country's population are Sunnis. Shiito-Alawites are a minority who tightly controlled all power structures and sources of income. The situation is comparable to how Russia would exclusively be ruled by immigrants from Chechnya, for example.

        Even Syrian Christians in one way or another supported Assad only because he at least retained the appearance of a secular state ...

        Quote: elenagromova
        But in reality - she lasted five years before Russia entered the battle.
        Actually, the civil confrontation in Syria did not immediately develop into a civil war throughout the country, and you should be well aware of this. This time.

        Secondly, lasted? remind, due to whom?

        Remind me of how the bases of the government army, which had superiority in all branches of the armed forces, "poured down" during the attacks of the rebels with Kalash in slippers? These are three.

        As many mistakes as Assad Jr. made. in domestic, and foreign policy, it is necessary to try ... and now Russia is pulling him out of all this ...
        1. elenagromova
          30 October 2019 05: 48
          +3
          Repeated all the cliches of anti-Syrian propaganda - and, it turns out, I should know them. It is very profitable for those who fought a war in Syria to imagine that the confrontation between the Sunnis and the Alawites is the only factor, and this is far from the case. Most in the government are Sunnis, the Sunnis were prime ministers, in the army, in the parliament were Sunnis, the Supreme Mufti was Sunni. Of the feelings, parts of the Sunnis, of course, played. By the way, the Sunnis are also divided into four main currents, and those, in turn, into smaller ones. Two of these minor ones - Salafism and Wahhabism - are extremist. And shame on the West that it relied precisely on the worst representatives of the Sunnis.
          By the way, in Iraq everything was the other way around - when the United States was profitable, they pretended that they were in favor of "oppressed" Shiites against "oppressive" Sunnis.
          Syria is truly a secular state, not visibility. I personally went in Syria without a hijab and with short sleeves. And many women walked like that. With all due respect to Iran, it is not a secular state, unlike Syria, and women do not look like that there. Syrian President visits Christian temples and monasteries. Yes, before the war there was no one there asking who was Sunni, who was a Christian, who was a Alavite. It was indecent, as in the USSR - it was not customary to find out who is who, and to emphasize the division of people into Russians, Uzbeks, Tajiks, etc.
          The period of "peaceful demonstrations" exists only in the minds and propaganda of those who started this war. From the very beginning, they began to be violent and very quickly developed into hostilities. Already in May-June 2011, more than 120 soldiers were brutally killed in the province of Idlib. Soon terrorists began to seize cities, in particular, Hama, large areas of the province of Homs, Daraa. And Russia entered the war only at the end of September 2015.
          Well, to say that Russia in Syria "is saving Assad" means not to understand that our guys are dying there for much broader goals.
          1. Mikhail Matyugin
            Mikhail Matyugin 30 October 2019 20: 26
            -2
            Quote: elenagromova
            Repeated all the cliches of anti-Syrian propaganda - and, it turns out, I should know them.

            Well, you are positioning yourself as an expert on Syria, have been to this country, and do not know the cliches of propaganda from various parties? Unfortunately, while in your works one single stamp is clearly visible - the official propaganda of Damascus, and there is no desire to understand the real causes of this war, and even more so how to finally stop it.

            Quote: elenagromova
            The supreme mufti is Sunni. Of the feelings, parts of the Sunnis, of course, played. By the way, the Sunnis are also divided into four main currents, and those, in turn, into smaller ones.
            If everything was so good among the Sunnis, then why just a little - and the state tied to the Alawites fell like a house of cards, and the Sunni units of government troops consistently show very low combat efficiency, especially in the confrontation with the same Sunni radicalists?

            Quote: elenagromova
            Incidentally, in Iraq it was the opposite
            The religious and ethnic situation in Syria is much more complicated than in Iraq. And what, you want our army there to be bogged down for 16 years, just like the Americans in Iraq since 2003 years?

            Quote: elenagromova
            Syria is truly a secular state, not visibility. I personally went in Syria without a hijab and with short sleeves.
            That's it, that visibility. A REALLY secular state is where the question of normal clothing for women does not arise at all. Syria was trying to show its secularism (about Iran, this is the realm of religious horror, no question), but it was not a secular state.

            Quote: elenagromova
            Syrian President visits Christian temples and monasteries.
            But the point is that a Muslim who is not going to accept Orthodoxy, not to help Christian communities, has visited them? But for some reason, Russia is helping Syria rebuild their mosques, historical markets, ancient ruins, etc. (whereas in our provinces we sometimes feel that the Germans left the day before yesterday)

            Quote: elenagromova
            Soon, the terrorists began to capture the city, in particular, Hama, significant areas of the province of Homs, Daraa.
            Let’s understand, terrorists, or is it still a significant part of the people brought to poverty and taking up arms? And the West (which of course plays its own games) should not be blamed for everything; a healthy state will not be showered by a small push. You see, what’s the matter, about 60% of the Syrian population simply cannot be terrorists, that’s the problem. Has Assad and his associates still not understood this, do you think?
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 4 November 2019 10: 33
              +1
              This is how it happens, no one has guessed about anything like that, about the true situation in Syria (sarcasm). Only Western liars about Assad's "crimes" and an unknown reader
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 4 November 2019 10: 23
        +2
        Quote: elenagromova
        If 70 percent of the population opposed the current government in Syria, it would not have been exact. But in reality - she lasted five years before Russia entered the battle.

        And I, Elena, "" liked "" the comment in front of yours, about cannibalism, or rather not the comment itself, but a condescending tone, like that they were forced to do this ---- did not allow them to overthrow Assad. So they came to life like this. Yeah, I wonder ..
  14. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 28 October 2019 22: 02
    +3
    I’m not sure that Bin Laden today does not calmly live out her days somewhere in a quiet place, but I’m sure that there will be no messages about him, because Its destruction was announced by President Obama himself. Baghdadi’s receiver with ISIS turned out to be worse. After his death was announced by the next president, Trump, the villain will disappear from the news. But it’s even scary to think about the upcoming upheavals that will bring the next extortion of the special services of this country. There is no point in waiting for peace: the next villain’s name and a new round of horrors are next in turn.
  15. Basarev
    Basarev 3 November 2019 11: 56
    +1
    Maybe we don’t know what? And Baghdadi really knows how to resurrect? Perhaps he is in fact immortal and finally impossible to kill him in principle?
  16. Sunstorm
    Sunstorm 3 November 2019 14: 51
    0
    In principle, it is "brilliant" why every time to invent new terrorists ... if you can kill the same one and the same periodically.
  17. swyatoslav
    swyatoslav 4 November 2019 10: 54
    +2
    In my opinion, the "creators" announced to the whole world about writing off Baghdadi and his Caudas from the allowance. And this is good.
    And our special services may now need to find out who the "hegemons" are planning to replace him with. Quite a specific task, thanks to the Yankees for the announcement.
  18. duchy
    duchy 9 November 2019 18: 32
    0
    The most important terrorist sits where everyone knows, because "Carthage must be destroyed", well, you all understood everything. The rest - noodles on the ears (I understand that grammatically not according to the rules, but everyone understands).
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