Byzantine army under the emperor Justinian. A few words about the most interesting

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Byzantine Empire IV – V centuries It was a centralized military-bureaucratic monarchy, inheriting the main features of the state system of the late Roman Empire, combining the traditions of the Roman state system with elements of eastern despotism. The ruling circles of Constantinople saw in Byzantium the successor to the Roman Empire.


Army of Emperor Justinian, 6 Century. From left to right: warrior of the irregular Theodosian Numera, Thracian cavalryman - Klibanarium, Guards infantryman




The economic development of the empire, flourishing at the beginning of the VI century. crafts, trade, cities predetermined the active foreign policy of Byzantium under Justinian I (527 — 565 gg.), Expressed in an attempt to recreate the Roman Empire.


Justinian I. Mosaic


Thanks to the centuries-old experience of military construction, "interaction with neighboring military structures, traditions and the unification and centralization activities of Justinian, the Byzantine army during this period had a clear structure, uniform supply and control, modern weapon. The army of the Eastern Roman Empire is rightfully considered one of the most unique military organizations of the early Middle Ages,

Army and its structure


Thanks to Procopius of Caesarea, we know enough what the Byzantine army was in the times of Justinian I. Procopius was the secretary of Belisarius and spent most of his campaigns with him, being in the retinue of this commander. Command and control of troops proceeded from the principle of strict subordination that was usual for the bureaucratic apparatus of the empire.

At the head of the army was the Master Militum Prezenti (commander in chief, with a residence in Constantinople), sometimes there were two of them: this allowed the emperor to avoid the dominance of the military, thus introducing healthy competition into the ranks of the high command.

Master Militum (stratilate) - the commander in chief of a theater of war or part of the empire (for example, the Master of the Militum of the East, the Master of the Militum of Armenia, the Master of the Militum of Thrace, etc.).

Komit federals (chief federals).

The commander (stratig).

Option (the assistant, elected by the stratig himself, was also responsible for the delivery of provisions, the payment of salaries).

Eparch of the army (main commander of the army).

Generals are at this time at the same time confectioners - in the sense in which this word is used in a later era. They are surrounded by troops that are recruited by them in their own name and which are called the "Hypaspists." They can not be called bodyguards, as their number reaches several thousand. And at the same time, these troops equally do not serve for security purposes. Rather, their meaning was that mercenaries are easier to manage if the leader is at the same time an entrepreneur organizing military affairs.

Along with hypaspists, whose national composition is unclear, in Justinian’s troops we find a wide variety of tribal militias: Huns, Armenians, Isevs, Persians, Meruls, Lombards, Gepids, Vandals, Ants, Slavs, Arabs, Moors and Massagets (federates).

The story of Procopius about the mobilization of the troops of Narses (for the fight against Totila) characterizes the method of composing troops in this era, names the nations that included them, the designation of military units not by the numbers of the legions, but by the names of their commanders. The pride and color of the army of Narses is in his bodyguards, who took a special oath of allegiance to the cartridge.

The variegation of contingents did not have a favorable effect on the combat effectiveness of the troops. The second important drawback is often a weak discipline (sometimes imperial mercenaries went over not only to the side of the Germans, but also to the Persian king, however, this is a vice of mercenaries in general). In addition to the shortcomings, the Byzantine forces had a number of advantages, and above all - in organization and hierarchical structure.

Organization of the army (according to the Code of Justinian).

1. The commander’s squad (hypaspists).

2. Infantry (divided into measures for 8 thousand, measures for 2 thousand and tags for 256 people).

3. Palace Guard (divided into scholes).

4. Cavalry (measures for 6 thousand, measures for 2 thousand, tags for 200 - 400 people, as well as hundreds, tens, fives).

5. Federates (barbarian mercenaries), tribal militias.

There were also special technical units serving machines, as well as engineering teams. Moreover, some, figuratively speaking, "types" and "types" of troops in the Byzantine army were already unified: they had uniform weapons, clothes, etc. For example, slingers, soldiers serving siege machines, etc. already had embroideries with a uniform image, essentially an emblem of the form of troops.




As in the armies of classical antiquity, under Justinian we find a fundamental and rare division according to the type of weapon: heavily armed infantry (the core of the army) and lightly armed infantry (archers or javelin throwers), cavalry (blade weapons, spearmen, equestrian archers). But plus to this, battle axes and other national weapons appear.

But ... gradually, under the influence of military operations with its eastern neighbors (Sassanid Iran was for a long time the main direction), the priority in the structure of the army eventually passes from infantry (the skeleton in the old Roman army) to cavalry, which has become the best and most part of the Byzantine Empire's army. The concept of "legion" does not acquire tactical, but only organizational significance.

The main weapon of both infantry and cavalry is a bow with arrows. Throwing guns, field fortifications were widely used. Lightly armed and heavily armed infantry merge with each other, even infantry and cavalry can no longer be sharply separated from one another: infantrymen mount horses, and cavalry fight on foot (as needed).


Byzantine archer. VI century


The agricultural part of the people, who paid taxes, is now separated from their own army. The feds, who were a significant part of the troops, also had their own characteristics.

Particular attention was paid to the training of troops, the improvement of battle formations, and the manning of the armed forces.

As for the local militia in cities and villages (it had a subordinate position, gathered only in some cases, when the invasions of the Slavs and Bulgarians were reflected), tribal contingents, they had very low combat efficiency.

Some of the reasons for the success of Justinian troops


What is the reason for the brilliant successes of Belisarius and Napceca in the restoration of the Great Empire? Not only military, but also political reasons can be traced here.

Byzantine army under the emperor Justinian. A few words about the most interesting

Justinian and Belisarius. Mosaic


1. Weaker opponents (with the exception of Iran, a worthy enemy of Byzantium) - the Ostrogothic kingdom, the Vandal state, are built on the basis of the patriarchal system. As for the Bulgarians, Slavs and other tribes who raided, they passed through the lands of the empire as a sieve, without violating the foundations of the state system, although bringing death and destruction. The opponents of Byzantium did not have such potential in strength and human resources.

2. A more progressive Byzantine army, to some extent not forgetting the Roman traditions of military art. Without even taking into account tactics, organization, etc., we consider only weapons. The modern edged weapons of the Byzantines, excellent throwing machines (which Procopius describes so vividly) underline the weaknesses of opponents in this regard. The Slavs fought on foot, almost naked, without armor, with only shields, often there are no bows or darts, Franks, who fought on the side of the Goths, had only spears in horseback, carrying infantry only a sword, a shield, an ax. In addition, Greek fire was invented in Byzantium, although it was practically not used in this era.

3. An excellent understanding of the theoretical foundations of military affairs by the Byzantines (the work of Justinian, Mauritius). Higher degree of military art. But in general, progress in organizing, arming, equipping, supplying troops, understanding and using the combat experience of not only one's own, but also of neighboring peoples.

4. The presence of remarkable commanders Belisarius and Narses at the head of the East Roman armies, not only using and generalizing all of the above, but also inscribing their bright page in history and the theory of military art in general. They worthily accomplished the daunting task set before them. Byzantium created its own, original and original school of military thought. Narses and Belisarius fought not by numbers, but by skill (15 — 30-thousandth units against the masses of “barbarians”). Moreover, the Ostrogoths in the future tried to maintain the correct battle order, imitating the Byzantines, the Slavs and others did not even do this.

5. The economic power of the empire, just in the VI century. booming wealth and resources.

6. Magnificent Byzantine diplomacy, essentially a science equivalent to Byzantine jurisprudence, played a huge role.

7. And finally, the time factor, a favorable foreign policy situation, determined such brilliant successes of the “Second Rome”. Although the Byzantine army failed to achieve the former power and combat effectiveness of the Roman legions, the ruling elite tried to maximize the combat effectiveness of its armed forces.

The general rise of the empire, the foreign policy situation and a powerful army - all these factors, coupled with other reasons, gave such a significant foreign policy to the empire of this era.



We made an attempt in the most general terms to consider both the state of the army of the Byzantine Empire under Justinian I, and to trace the relationship of the military factor with the foreign policy successes of Byzantium of the VI century, highlighting the reasons for such brilliant successes of the conquest policy of the empire of this period.
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  1. +5
    29 October 2019 18: 43
    Why do they have trousers "for graduation"? Yes, and "shoes" instead of boots? It is absolutely not convenient to fight (at least in my not enlightened opinion).
    1. 0
      29 October 2019 19: 25
      In the snow, these howls rarely needed to be walked, but for movement on the steppe 1.cuffs could be garter under the pants.2. they could start the campaign after the zenith of the sun, when the entire desert lurked in minks. Tarantulas and scorpions are dangerous at night when they go hunting, and in the light of the sun their strength fades ... Broad and free trousers well ventilated the lower part of the legs, and during the night march --- rolled their calves with leather ribbons --- and now no one will sit on the sacred foot of the Byzantine
      1. +1
        29 October 2019 20: 39
        Well, if only rolled up. God be with him with snow but with free "trousers" in the dew or after (in) rain, it is still a pleasure
        1. +1
          29 October 2019 21: 58
          Quote: mark1
          rain is still a pleasure

          This is my hunch, I do not pretend, I just think like a warrior, ---- my legs are disheveled ---- to cover them with ribbons. A. so the bugs and scorpions really acted only at night, which means that the army of the daytime transition can allow itself a fat leg, at night scouted with a few thousandths and again walking around the desert with a hymn about the power of the Slavs or what they used to be called ...
  2. +10
    29 October 2019 18: 44
    3 the peak of the military glory of Byzantium: the era of Justinian, the Macedonian dynasty and the Great Communes.
    Its unique and effective combat systems.
    1. +9
      29 October 2019 19: 08
      Almost throughout the Middle Ages
    2. -8
      29 October 2019 23: 52
      Quote: Dalton
      3 the peak of the military glory of Byzantium: the era of Justinian, the Macedonian dynasty and the Great Communes.
      Its unique and effective combat systems.

      I completely disagree - if I just have my own systems for Justinian and Co + the Macedonian emperors, then Rooms are still more likely a survival period, I would not speak about some kind of harmonious and qualitatively new combat system ...
      1. +8
        30 October 2019 08: 32
        But I don’t care whether you agree or not.
        All systems had borrowings, but all were unique. And Komninov too
        Read the hobby
        1. +6
          30 October 2019 09: 03
          And learn matyugin to write without errors laughing
          1. -1
            30 October 2019 17: 03
            A letter in the letter is highlighted with commas. And the last name is capitalized. This is if you write without errors.
            1. +2
              30 October 2019 18: 34
              A letter in the letter is highlighted with commas

              then start with yourself
              And the last name is capitalized.

              this is not a mistake, but an indicator of attitude towards this troll.
      2. 0
        30 October 2019 09: 12
        I agree with you.
      3. +1
        30 October 2019 14: 18
        And Aleksey 1 Komnin is an example of a diplomat and commander who managed to cope with most of the giant threats of the Empire in the person of the crusaders, Normans, and Persians. One huge mistake of his reign: a time bomb in the form of Turkic tribes that freely settled in Asia Minor and were attracted as military forces by both the Emperor and his internal enemies.
        1. -3
          30 October 2019 14: 44
          Quote: Xenofont
          freely settled in Asia Minor and attracted as a military force by both the Emperor and his internal enemies.

          Syria at the end of the XNUMXth century lost so easily to the Ottomans for precisely the same reason ...
          ______
          Maskvabad is next in turn ... :)
        2. +8
          30 October 2019 15: 01
          And Aleksey 1 Komnin is an example of a diplomat and commander

          And John Komnin is generally handsome. Solved almost all tasks on all major fronts
          1. 0
            30 October 2019 16: 04
            All right. But the father laid the foundation.
        3. +1
          11 January 2020 14: 52
          One huge mistake of his reign: a time bomb in the form of Turkic tribes

          This is a necessary compromise that we had to make to solve other problems. But these Turks did not destroy Byzantium, but strife. Byzantium itself destroyed, the last century, in the battles for the throne, a huge number of troops died and when the enemy arrived, there was no one to fight back.
          1. 0
            11 January 2020 15: 23
            Not the army was destroyed, but the system of recruiting into the army from free farmers, whose possessions were seized by the magnates, was destroyed, thereby depriving the army of a mobilization base. History repeated itself with the Roman Empire, when barbarians and "proletarians" were called up, ie. landless declassified element: incentives disappeared to fight well.
  3. +10
    29 October 2019 18: 44
    Valentin Ivanov "Primordial Rus" - just about that time: Justinian, Belisarius, Narses, Nika's uprising, the return of "Italy" under the arm of Byzantium, and of the Slavs' self-determination, along the way of History.
    One of my favorite works!
  4. 0
    29 October 2019 19: 05
    Illustrations immediately reminded books Toroptseva - favorite children's reading)
    1. +9
      29 October 2019 19: 07
      The illustrations are all diverse, but very clear.
      1. 0
        30 October 2019 11: 23
        here, not too lazy to find a photo:

        1. +4
          30 October 2019 18: 32
          here, not too lazy to find a photo

          According to Senka and a hat, isn't it) I mean that for a local bodyagi this will do.
          And the illustrations, like the book are beautiful. Given the level of session)
          1. +3
            30 October 2019 18: 33
            And the rest of the illustrations Ryazanets87 (Nikita) do not tell me where?
            Do not be lazy?
            1. 0
              30 October 2019 19: 22

              This is Polish creativity, like:
              https://www.deviantart.com/mietlik/art/Byzantine-army-88821895
              1. +1
                30 October 2019 19: 42
                Where did the archer come from?
                Like?
    2. 0
      30 October 2019 01: 15
      There are good illustrations on the topic.
      https://www.pinterest.es/pin/309411436883083372/
  5. 0
    29 October 2019 19: 06
    Not bad.
    I’m wondering, the West, in relation to Byzantium, has exactly the same fundamental hatred as it is for Russians.
    Is it only the matter of one religion - Orthodoxy (orthodox) or something else?
    1. +2
      30 October 2019 17: 14
      Byzantium fought more with the East than with the West.
      And the Ottomans conquered it, not the Western states.
      Ancient Russia was also conquered from the East: by the Mongol-Tatars, and not by Western states.
      After both conquests, both Genghisides and, later, the Ottomans began to pose a military threat to the West. And hatred of the East appeared.
      1. +1
        30 October 2019 17: 27
        Quote: voyaka uh
        And the Ottomans conquered it, not the Western states

        In 1204, the "liberators of the Holy Sepulcher (the place where Jesus Christ was buried)" stormed the Byzantine capital. .

        Having plundered the richest and largest city in Europe, the knights did not go to Jerusalem, but settled on the territory of Byzantium. They created a state with a capital in Constantinople - the Latin Empire. For more than 50 years there has been a struggle against the conquerors. In 1261, the Latin Empire fell. Byzantium was restored, but it could never reach its former power.
        .


        4th Crusade
        1. -2
          30 October 2019 20: 36
          Quote: Town Hall
          In 1204, the "liberators of the Holy Sepulcher (the place where Jesus Christ was buried)" stormed the Byzantine capital.

          How many times can you repeat the same stamps? The "crusaders" who took Constantinople, firstly, were not crusaders, their campaign is generally called the "campaign of the excommunicated" (the Pope excommunicated them even after the capture of Zadar, if anything), and secondly, they were ordinary Venetian mercenaries who were hired de ure by the Byzantine contender, and thirdly, you should know that there were TWO captures of Constantinople - and the first time everything went without incidents, and the second time they were simply "thrown" - hence the plunder.
          1. +1
            30 October 2019 20: 40
            We do not analyze the history of the 4 Crusade, but
            Byzantium fought more with the East than with the West.
            And the Ottomans conquered it, not the Western states
          2. +2
            30 October 2019 22: 16
            Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
            their campaign is generally called the "campaign of the excommunicated" (the Pope excommunicated them even after the capture of Zadar, if anything)

            You are poorly informed in this topic. Refresh your knowledge n 4 crusade)
          3. 0
            11 January 2020 14: 45
            Byzantine challenger
            Who hired a third force to capture the throne, this indicates the end of the country.
  6. +1
    29 October 2019 19: 09
    Bravo, Alexey !!! Extremely unusual material for you! Let's see what Vashchenko says?
    1. +11
      29 October 2019 19: 18
      Well, as far as I remember, not quite unusual for him)
      You can recall the Varangian guard of Byzantium
      and the army of the Byzantine Suvorov (Maniac). This is me about what went on in
      1. +3
        29 October 2019 19: 26
        You are probably right. Simply, for me, Oleynikov is the story of WWI.
        1. +11
          29 October 2019 19: 55
          this is the story of pmv

          It `s naturally.
          But we are all doing something professionally, but are fond of something)
    2. -1
      29 October 2019 22: 27
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      Let's see what Vashchenko says?

      "What will Kaltenbrunner say about this?" (from) laughing I, too, am interested.
    3. -5
      29 October 2019 23: 13
      Anton,
      good evening.
      Interesting, but extremely superficial. A small example.
      Organization of the army (according to the Code of Justinian).
      - funny where in the code about
      To the commander’s squad (hypaspists).

      Rather "doriphores", for the same Procopius, or bucellaria, although hypaspists are also used.
      There are articles on the ban on having bodyguards [Nov.Just. 116], but what is the article about such a structure? This is a discovery.
      However, I posted articles on this topic at VO, everything is detailed there, with reference to sources.
      Do not quibble, the pictures are beautiful. hi
      1. +8
        30 October 2019 08: 38
        Organization of the army (according to the Code of Justinian).
        - it’s funny where in the code on the Commander’s Friendship (hypaspists).

        But what, it is only about the squad? This time. Secondly, they are still mentioned there. These are two.
        Interesting, but extremely superficial.

        So
        A few words about the most interesting

        I posted articles on this topic at VO, everything is detailed there, with reference to sources.

        read
        Your naive and extremely controversial statements. We saw not relevant and scant lists of hastily pulled books on the Internet and still saw your imaginary degree of Vashchenko.
        Oh yes, the pictures are beautiful laughing
        Someone already asked, I repeat the question: do not tell me the year of your defense and the organization where you defended? laughing
        1. -4
          30 October 2019 09: 31
          We saw not relevant and scant lists of hastily pulled books on the Internet

          When you write - think a little.
          And I have nothing to hide about the dissertation, if someone is interested in:
          “Eastern Slavs and Khazaria in the works of Russian historians of the 18th – 20th centuries”, St. Petersburg State University, 2000
          If something tells you this, the supervisor I.Ya. Froyanov, opponents were G.S. Lebedev, A.V. Gadlo, reviewer I.V. Oaks.
          In 2006, a monograph based on a dissertation was published.
          Excuse me, what sciences is a master? laughing
          1. +3
            30 October 2019 10: 20
            Wait, Vashchenko, you were asked a question:
            Do not tell me the year of your defense and the organization where they defended themselves?

            What is difficult to name the year and place of protection?
            Or do you understand that it’s easy to check you on them and start turning again to other questions?
            1. 0
              30 October 2019 10: 35
              Albatross, what's the question?
              1. +3
                30 October 2019 10: 37
                It is difficult to name the year and place of protection?
                Name
                1. -2
                  30 October 2019 10: 48
                  So I answered, look above !!!!
                  some nonsense
                  1. +4
                    30 October 2019 10: 52
                    So I answered, look above !!!!
                    some nonsense

                    The comrade is probably interested in the cipher of the Dissoviet and the date of defense.
                    He probably did not formulate the question. Please inform. This is no longer a secret.
                    I join the question hi
                    1. +2
                      30 October 2019 10: 59
                      A troll who appears to be a different person (I even know which one) can spy on the name and general information on the Internet, but only the dissertation student knows the real details of the defense and related issues)
                      I have some relation to St. Petersburg State University. And it’s extremely interesting to check it out)
                      1. -2
                        30 October 2019 11: 19
                        And how to answer the question Checking:
                        Excuse me, what sciences is a master?

                        Doldon seems easier?
                        Something does not answer the question?

                        Laugh of course)
                        I have some relation to St. Petersburg State University.

                        I'll check -
                        Check, at the same time go to the psychiatrist, there was a hospital earlier on the ground floor in the building of the history department, I don’t know if it was preserved. wassat
                      2. 0
                        30 October 2019 15: 03
                        So you didn’t answer Vashchenko.
                        Mummers - that’s why they didn’t answer.
                        While we are checking your "degree". And then we'll take care of me if interested
                      3. -2
                        30 October 2019 15: 15
                        Troll and yap, what is there to do with you.
                    2. -2
                      30 October 2019 11: 01
                      2000g, wrote the same St. Petersburg State University. All other data is on the Internet, if you need it.
                      What are the secrets?
                      Didn't get a response:
                      Excuse me, what sciences is a master?
                      1. +1
                        30 October 2019 11: 05
                        All other data is on the Internet, if you need it.

                        That's just it, that spied on the Internet. Such a troll as Shpakovsky, which climbs on all sites and has a bunch of guises, does not cost anything.
                        Fershteyn?
                        And I want to know how much you REALLY defended at St. Petersburg State University.
                        Do not refuse to clarify the details? Then first I shake your hand.
                        For a start and at the beginning answer - the cipher of the Council and the date of protection.
                      2. The comment was deleted.
                      3. -2
                        30 October 2019 11: 46
                        Dalton, I catch the word:
                        Then first I shake your hand.
                      4. +2
                        30 October 2019 15: 06
                        Not downloaded on the Internet?)
                        Now both abstracts and dissertations are laid out there.
                        It's too early to reap a hand.
                        I needed this data to check the question is on the ground. And go out to a real person who is registered in this abstract. At the same time, we will find out if he is on VO or if there is an impostor
                      5. -2
                        30 October 2019 15: 14
                        Dalton
                        You are not an investigator to me - to check.
                        Who are you? to check.
                        Your words are an empty phrase to me.
                        Everything is clear with you - a troll and yap.
                      6. +2
                        30 October 2019 15: 34
                        Yes, I suspect that you are a troll crawling on the Internet, only downloading an abstract and posing as another person (you’ll become one). For your opuses on the Byzantine are very low professional, and do not pull to the level of St. Petersburg State University. I just did not get dirty at the time and wasted time on comments.
                        And I’ll check it just for myself and write the result, don’t worry. Though not an investigator)
                      7. -4
                        30 October 2019 17: 05
                        I don’t worry
                        What about Dalton?
                        What is, what to hide "Investigator" Dalton, I am not ashamed and write under my own name, and honestly say who I am, and only those who have something to hide, come up with nicknames:
                        to reach a real person who is registered in this abstract.
                        Don’t go out on yourself.
                        Passport not to send? Candidate diploma? Bank statement? I found everything for you on the Internet, I think, suddenly Doldon will need to beat me through his channels.
                        Well straight Poirot Agates Christie.
                        Then first I shake your hand.

                        A man throwing glory to the wind, what's the name?
                        What about Dalton?
                      8. +1
                        30 October 2019 18: 27
                        You won’t send anything.
                        For disguised from time to time under different. A memorable thing.
                        And the way we are now agitated illustrates this perfectly)
                        I don’t throw anything into the wind. I’ll definitely clarify.
                      9. -3
                        30 October 2019 17: 10
                        But seriously,
                        there is something to say on the topic Articles - write, and do not insult people with different opinions and authors of VO, for example, Shpakovsky V.O., so it’s more correct and outside readers will not think that some cognitives are sitting in the comments. Learn to be a decent person, not a troll.
                      10. +1
                        30 October 2019 18: 29
                        in the comments some cognitive workers sit

                        And what is wrong? Who else needs it - to waste your time and nerves?
                        More precisely, even a cognitive worker)
                        Learn to be a decent person, not a troll.

                        Start following this golden rule nickname Eduard Vashchenko. Today
  7. -1
    29 October 2019 19: 14
    In general, I once had a strong impression that all the gains of Justinian are superior to the resource due to centralization
    With a weaker kingdom of Ostrogothic, they fiddled for 18 years with an advantage in everything.
    The defeat of the vandals took an overripe fetus.
    They literally bounced off the Franks after winning a couple of major battles, while often losing secondary ones. But undoubtedly it is an asset to the Romans.
    Limes on the Danube ogolen- led to the fact that the Slavs hosted there so much that the Byzantine troops were sometimes simply afraid to attack them.
    The extreme mobilization of the forces and means of the empire brought only temporary acquisitions and predetermined further decline.
    It would be very interesting to see the confrontation with the Avars under Justinian, but these newcomers showed themselves after.
    In general, the wonderful book mentioned by Ivanov did the trick in my case. The author essentially created the Black Romey legend. )
    1. +3
      29 October 2019 19: 37
      With the last paragraph, I absolutely agree! Ivanov is the Russian incarnation of Charles de Coster.
      1. +2
        29 October 2019 19: 39
        A thousand times deeper. Many years later, separate lines popped up in my head and some new unexpected understanding came with age.
        The image of the historian Procopius is generally an exceptional creative find with him.
        1. 0
          29 October 2019 19: 45
          I had the same thing with Legend. However, to each his own.
          1. 0
            29 October 2019 19: 48
            The main result is that since reading Ivanov I have been rooting for "barbarians"
            And against the Spaniards, I was sick before Bonfire)
            1. 0
              29 October 2019 19: 54
              Interesting difference of opinion! And here I am for the Spaniards will "drown for all the money." And I consider Koster one of the first "black PR people".
              1. +1
                29 October 2019 20: 05
                It seems like he and the same Haggard and Mann simply exploited the stereotype that has long been established in popular culture.
                The Spaniards do not even have normal writers)
                1. +3
                  30 October 2019 02: 52
                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81-%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B5,_%D0%90%D1%80%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BE

                  Perez Reverte. Unfair to the Spaniards
                  1. -1
                    30 October 2019 16: 58
                    That's right!
    2. +7
      29 October 2019 19: 39
      But a traditional and equitable enemy.
      And in the end, TREATED BYZANTIA is the Sassanian Empire
      1. -3
        29 October 2019 19: 42
        How long is the afflicted? .If it were not for the Arabs, then a generation later would have been a batch.
        By the way, we can consider the Germanic tribes as a whole no less a traditional enemy
        1. +8
          29 October 2019 19: 54
          How long?
          FOREVER AND EVER.
          After this, Persia went into a tailspin and a few years later the Arabs ate it.
          And the winner, Byzantium, even lost weight, but fought back
          Germanic tribes did not give an analogue of the Persian Empire (anti-Byzantine), fragmented and unstable. And the Persians were a traditional enemy, and from ancient times (starting with the Parthians), competitors to Rome
          1. -3
            29 October 2019 20: 03
            Crushed by Arabs, not Byzantines. Just a fact. The Byzantines made peace on the old border.
            By the way, when I read about the conquest of Iran by the Arabs, I noticed that the number of big battles was huge. Iran weakened, but was still strong. It seems that the traditional funeral of Iran after the war is an exaggeration.
            The Germans were undoubtedly divided, but also had many successes. They are also competitors to Rome even before the Parthians and its grave diggers.
            1. +1
              29 October 2019 20: 13
              Byzantium defeated the Sisanids, the whole story echoes this. In glory were m, and the Sisanids were defeated, and Byzantium led the priesthood and glory.
            2. +5
              29 October 2019 20: 33
              Crushed by Arabs, not Byzantines

              Bah, and you do not know about the last Iran-Byzantine war and the triumph of Heraclius?
              To get started on Wikipedia, type: Iran-Byzantine War (602-628).
              It was an impressive victory for the Byzantine weapon. good
              the Arabs can only put an end to
              1. -3
                29 October 2019 20: 35
                How amazing, I’m talking about her. laughing
                When studying history, it is always better to ignore emotional assessments. Look at the terms of the peace treaty, compare the situation in both states after the war.
                1. +7
                  29 October 2019 20: 38
                  I'm talking about the facts
                  The victorious end of the war strengthened the military authority of Heraclius. He was nicknamed the “new Scipio” for his brilliant victories and for leading the Byzantine army to lands that the empire had never invaded. The triumphant rise of the Life-giving Cross in the Hagia Sophia was the culmination of the emperor's achievements. If Heraclius died in 629, then, according to Norman Davis, he would go down in history as “the greatest Roman military leader since Julius Caesar” [57]. However, he survived to the era of Arab conquest, lost a number of major battles, unsuccessfully trying to restrain the onslaught of Muslims, and lost the glory of a successful military leader. John Norwich briefly described Heraclius as "living too long"

                  According to Howard-Johnston, victories over the Persians and their political consequences saved the main stronghold of Christianity in the Middle East and significantly weakened Zoroastrianism, but in the next two decades they were overshadowed by the military achievements of the Arabs.

                  Persia was plunged into civil war for several years, caused by dynastic disputes. For a short period from 628 to the winter of 632–633, four rulers were replaced on the Persian throne: Artashir III, the warlord Farrukhan Shahrvaraz, who fought with Byzantium, two tsarina Borandokht and Azarmedoht. Only when Yazdegerd III, the grandson of Khosrov II, ascended the throne in 632, some stability was established, but by then it was too late to do anything to save the once powerful Sasanian state, which soon collapsed under the blows of Muslim Arabs
                  1. -3
                    29 October 2019 20: 46
                    Just the facts. Under Yazdigerd III, stabilization is already according to your information. And the crash is known from whom.
                    In general, history is best taught in monographs.
                    If you want to understand, I highly recommend this book
                    http://www.orientalstudies.ru/rus/index.php?option=com_publications&Itemid=75&pub=818
                    If you read, you will see that Iran has already restored its power to a certain extent by the beginning of the war with the Arabs.
                    The defeat in the last war with the Byzantines was, there was a weakening, a severe crisis. The collapse of the state was not. Moreover, without the Arabs, Iran had every chance to recover and the old Santa Barbara would start again because Constantinople had its own problems above the roof.
                    1. +5
                      29 October 2019 20: 49
                      Read, read monographs, do not worry
                      And without links)
                      And Kulakovsky and much more.
                      1. 0
                        29 October 2019 20: 52
                        Great. No irony.
                      2. +7
                        29 October 2019 21: 51
                        I have a whole series of the Byzantine library and in general there are quite a lot of sources and literature on the history of the Empire in print, and not in virtual.
                        Including all known military treatises)
  8. -4
    29 October 2019 19: 14
    Stupid Ostrogoths (who supposedly could maintain a military order) Byzantium drove into the Crimean reservation, their fellow tribesmen of the Visigoths - expelled abroad of the Eastern Roman Empire, where the first and second disappeared.

    And the Slavs (who allegedly could not keep battle order) created under their nose the superfood of the empire with the supposedly perfect military order, the Bulgarian kingdom with the head of state, equal in title to the emperor (Caesar) and his own patriarch to the peak of Constantinople.

    The Central European Slavs - puddles of Sorbus and white Croats chopped off the province of Illyria near Byzantium and no military order of the Byzantines could prevent them.

    The Western Slavs - Rus constantly pressed Byzantium, regularly besieging its capital and totally ruining the Byzantine colonies in the Northern Black Sea region.

    With the formation of the East European Slavic state, Ruska Zemlya, the first thing the Rusich inhabitants did (apart from the standard levy for nailing a shield over the gates of Constantinople) was to destroy the only Byzantine ally in the northeast (Khazar Kaganate), after which they invaded Crimea and dictated Byzantium terms of the peace treaty.

    A logical question arises - maybe someone was too smart with the Byzantine military organization? laughing
    1. +6
      29 October 2019 19: 25
      Well, not supposedly (it's about Ostrogoths and Slavs at that moment), but it was. The Ostrogothic kingdom was a tough nut.
      Well, what happened then, where does it come from? You may recall that not the Ostrogoths flew into space first, but the Slavs laughing
      And about "chopping off" everything is very cyclical. Periodically savages are borzels. But from time to time the empire will give balls ... And then crowds of prisoners stretched, some even blind laughing
      They haven’t been too sophisticated with the military organization, it has largely (adapting to time and space) and allowed it to last a thousand years
      1. -1
        29 October 2019 19: 42
        First of all, the Ostrogothic kingdom is not a kingdom, but a principality (of microscopic size), a de facto Indian reservation.

        Secondly, the author of the article talks about the lack of analogues of the military organization of Byzantium, for some reason contrasting it with the military organization of the southern, western and eastern Slavs who chopped off two provinces from Byzantium (Illyria and Thrace) and destroyed the only ally of Byzantium in the north-east (Khazaria )
        Remind me what areas the Byzantium chopped off from the Slavs? laughing

        Thirdly, Byzantium lasted a thousand years not because of its military order (which in relation to the Slavic was clearly not comme il faut), but by the correct political building of relations with the Slavs on a mutually beneficial basis - by transferring its religion and removing conflict as such.
        1. +9
          29 October 2019 19: 49
          Kingdom. And not the last among the barbaric
          Gradually, they may chop off. But how much the empire chopped off!
          It was surrounded on all sides by enemies, and a powerful military organization was an important help.
          No, and due to the military organization, too.
          When there are several opponents, then the weaker ones together, together, represent great strength.
          About Khazaria you can not repeat 10 times laughing
          1. +2
            29 October 2019 20: 34
            First of all, the Ostrogothic kingdom is not a kingdom, but a principality (of microscopic size), a de facto Indian reservation.
            Strange, I would like to know the source of this discovery. Have I really missed something and still operate on outdated information about the kingdom of the Ostrogoths.
    2. -1
      30 October 2019 10: 01
      Quote: Operator
      A logical question arises - maybe someone was too smart with the Byzantine military organization?

      Another question arises: are you tired of broadcasting nonsense here?
      Quote: Operator
      Western Slavs - Rus

      If only someone would explain to me from what such a fright our Operator had the holy confidence that the Russians are Western Slavs. He himself cannot explain.
  9. -2
    29 October 2019 19: 37
    Narses and Belisarius fought not by numbers, but by skill (15-30 thousandth units against the masses of "barbarians").

    For me, the most controversial sentence in the article. In terms of mobilization and concentration, the Empire surpassed any opponent. Unfortunately, we will never know the "barbaric" point of view. Therefore, who can say how many "masses" of barbarians were. On the other hand, Procopius writes that the same vandals were inferior in number, and the Slavs sometimes beat the outnumbered detachments of the Romans.
    1. +6
      29 October 2019 19: 51
      And what's controversial?
      So say the sources. That mobility and the advantages of concentration (several military districts in fact) saved the empire.
      and the Slavs sometimes beat outnumber the Romans.

      sometimes. But more often during this period it was the other way around
      1. -3
        29 October 2019 19: 55
        But more often during this period it was the other way around

        Sorry for the tedium, but it was under Justinian not more often. For a variety of reasons. Under Tiberius and Mauritius, yes, there the Slavs had to be tight.
      2. -1
        29 October 2019 22: 58
        Quote: Dalton
        So say the sources.

        The Russians had such a army
        that every German was attacked
        perhaps sixty people.

        The Knights Brothers resisted quite stubbornly,
        but they were overpowered there.
        "The Elder Livonian Rhymed Chronicle" about the Battle on the Ice.

        This is also a source. How do you recommend treating?
        1. +4
          30 October 2019 10: 22
          And why not?
          Unlike comments on VOD, the source laughing
  10. -6
    29 October 2019 20: 34
    Quote: Dalton
    kingdom

    To receive the title "king" (rex), it was necessary to accept the Christianity of the Western rite and still be able to curry favor with the Pope (the heads of most German states could not outgrow the title of margrave / duke until the very liquidation of their states by joining the Second Reich in XIX century).

    And the Scandinavian title "konung" used by the Ostrogoths was equal in status to the Slavic title "prince".
    1. +8
      29 October 2019 20: 46
      That's supposedly how you say the microscopic kingdom of Ostrogoths

      First, konung
      In the era of the mature Middle Ages, this term corresponds to the concept of king

      Secondly, why such parallels?
      For that matter, the Gothic king was legally the governor of the empire (dominus rerum). No one officially dismantled the empire in Italy. So also the Roman regalia Goths sent to Byzantium.
      So strictly speaking, Vasileus only took his own, restoring real sovereignty over the lands, which were already due to him as the only remaining emperor
      1. -4
        29 October 2019 21: 28
        If you noticed, I spoke exclusively about Crimean Ostrogoths, then where does the temporary (lasting 66 years) state of the Apennine Ostrogoths, which was created on the territory of the Western Roman Empire, and not Eastern - Byzantium, which is considered in this article.

        The Gothic name of the Apennine state of the Ostrogoths is Ostrogutans þiudangardi, i.e. no kings there smelled.

        The Swedes de facto forced to translate into other European languages ​​"konung" as king only from 1561 after the beginning of the Swedish conquest of the Baltic States, Pomerania, Poland, Saxony, etc. (the so-called era of the Swedish great power).

        Nowadays modern "kings" of Norway, Sweden and Denmark are translated as kings only out of courtesy to the Scandinavians.
        1. +6
          29 October 2019 21: 47
          I spoke exclusively about Crimean Ostrogoths

          And I talked about the kingdom of the Apennine Ostrogoths. Although it was on the territory of the Western Roman Empire, but, I repeat, because the Gothic king was legally an imperial governor (dominus rerum) and recognized the existence of the East Roman emperor as the only one (having sent symbols of imperial power from Rome to Constantinople), then grieve that his lands became a real, and not a nominal, province of this empire, he does not have to.
  11. -5
    29 October 2019 22: 33
    Maybe someone is interested
    The author did not bother to name the sources, but seemed to have translated the very first picture in promt of 2000 without commenting.
    Army of Emperor Justinian, 6 Century. From left to right: warrior of the irregular Theodosian Numera, Thracian cavalryman - Klibanarium, Guards infantryman

    I don’t have the original issue from David Nicholl (pulled from there)
    Here is what I found.
    Leones clibanarii part was in Arsinoe (Egypt). Why Eduard Vaschenko probably knows the "Thracian" of Nicholl
    Numerus Felicum Theodosiacus (c. 600 is located in Ravenna, possibly was created by the eldest son of the Emperor Mauritius Theodosius). Why is it irregular if it's kind of like a regular part? Or such a part could be the core around which other units were structured including irregular and is this one of them? In short, I again plug.
    Source :
    https://strator.livejournal.com/36200.html

    Perhaps someone like me will be interested in a good selection of drawings on later Roman shields.
    http://lukeuedasarson.com/MagisterMilitumOrientem.html
    1. -7
      30 October 2019 00: 17
      Quote: Engineer
      Leones clibanarii part was in Arsinoe (Egypt). Why Eduard Vaschenko probably knows the "Thracian" of Nicholl

      I'll be responsible for Edward. This is clearly a "summary part", such as numbering. "Thracian" - simply because they were originally attached probably to the "army in Thrace" (it is likely that part of the backbone of officers and part of the "sergeant" staff was transferred to the Near East and on this base a regiment of heavy horsemen was created from local natives).

      Quote: Engineer
      Numerus Felicum Theodosiacus (c. 600 g. Is in Ravenna, possibly was created by the eldest son of the emperor Mauritius Theodosius). Why is it irregular if it's kind of like a regular part?
      Little information. In my opinion, they could also be more likely from the regular units.
    2. +6
      30 October 2019 08: 47
      It was as if the very first picture had been translated by Promt 2000 without commenting.

      I don’t think so.
      I don’t have the original issue from David Nicholl (pulled from there)

      Pulls from Osprey Shpakovsky. Why can't others?))
      True, commenting on articles under different profiles, he probably does not know that some of the Opprey brochures, which he so eagerly covers in his articles, have long been translated into Russian.
      And not the author of this article laughing
      For example
      Here is the original

      And here is her translation in a long-standing erefny edition. And no translation is needed)
      If anything.

      Connoisseurs of pictures))
      1. +5
        30 October 2019 10: 24
        he probably doesn’t know that some of the Osprey pamphlets, which he so eagerly covers in his articles, have long been translated into Russian.

        one more evidence that the person mentioned (and what a couple of comments wrote about your Dalton) is located outside the borders of our great Motherland. And, apparently, quite a long time ago
      2. 0
        30 October 2019 10: 31
        Would you even read what I wrote.
        1. +7
          30 October 2019 10: 39
          Would you even read what I wrote

          do not confuse me with you. This is you, as a rule, write without reading what
          1. +2
            30 October 2019 10: 42
            This is not addressed to you at all. If you click on the arrow, you can see which post was the answer, just in case)
    3. -4
      30 October 2019 09: 04
      Denis,
      Good morning,
      I will add from myself.
      In general, I also think so.
      I prepared a little, there was no time in the evening.
      I have this Osprey - the original, together with the Prado case, here is the inscription, 2004:

      And Russian official translation:

      In NOT Dignitatum there is that image that is on the shield and another in the present army:

      For me, such changes are connected with the fact that a number of mistakes were made in determining the figures.
      Images of warriors are generally true, a horseman can definitely be safely attributed to the 6th century (dishes from the History Museum in Verona), a warrior in a helmet: if it’s good - the 5th century, - a helmet - Santa Maggiore, with a stretch of "Illiada" from the library of Milan, (beginning of the VI century), but there are all warriors in loriks or toras, chain mail is not at all, the shield is clear - Ravenna is the middle of the VI century.
      As for the images on the shields - 100% - at best the beginning of the 5th century,
      Use the names of these units for the VI century., It is extremely controversial.
      I have information about such regiments in the VI century. I didn’t find all the parts that are mentioned and come from the past, I described in the article “In Search of the Last Legion” on VO. hi
      1. +4
        30 October 2019 09: 29
        Finally mastered Notitia dignitatum
        Congratulations wink
      2. +1
        30 October 2019 10: 32
        Thanks for the reply.
        1. +1
          30 October 2019 10: 34
          Denis, something like that. hi
          1. -1
            30 October 2019 10: 41
            On xLegio there was a topic about the last legion, by the way
            But the dish from Verona is definitely not attributed as far as I remember. Something too freely Nicholl interprets. However, I am an artist, as I see it
            1. -2
              30 October 2019 10: 55
              There were a lot of them laughing
              I added a "couple" of legions, well, if you read)
              based on pixids and Ionne Lida data.
              Verona: why, everything is clear there, it is also often called, you know, from Lake Ritz.
              It is often written that the Lombard is depicted on a horse, and "barbarian" is a Goth, below, century, exactly VI century.
              Here to Osprey, there are just no questions.

              I agree:
              I am an artist, I see so
              - it’s quite for myself, I still think that everything is flowing, everything is developing and from 1992, when the work was first published, we saw it so gradually, with an increase in knowledge, my look changed, well, and signatures) this is normal.
              1. 0
                30 October 2019 11: 02
                And what are the bases for the Lombard? If the lombard is on horseback, then why the fallen goth, and not the traditional adversary, the hepid?
                It seems to me a pair of Byzantine Goths (a reference to the Italian war) or the Lombard gepids is more logical. But I do not know the background of this dish
                1. 0
                  30 October 2019 11: 07
                  And I have the same opinion: the Byzantine and the Goth, especially since why would a dish be made on this subject about the tribe then from the Danube border.
                  But the opinion of the Lombard is widespread, probably due to the forgotten lamellar armor on the rider and on foot.
                  1. 0
                    30 October 2019 11: 13
                    What do you think about the back of the shield of the standing Goth? The grip is not fist; one strap is half-closed in the hand and is located in the upper third. So there must be another one below? This is the Byzantine style of shields, no?
                    1. 0
                      30 October 2019 11: 27
                      Denis, excuse me, what kind of "goth" are we talking about?
                      1. +1
                        30 October 2019 11: 30
                        "Goth" with a Verona dish
                      2. -1
                        30 October 2019 11: 41
                        BUT!!!
                        I won’t answer, a good question, but I didn’t think about it.
                        I'll see for sure.
                      3. 0
                        30 October 2019 12: 14
                        Another question, is there a reason to supply heavily armed horsemen with a small shield like Nicholl's? there is no shield on the Verona dish (as well as the horse's armor, but Nicholl and MackBride obviously collected the klibanaria "in parts"). For comparison, the Avars do not mention the shield. From memory, Mauritius does not mention a shield for riders either (but I could be wrong here)
                        By the way, attribution with the lombards of an equestrian warrior on a dish is not possible due to the similarities with the warriors on the later plate from the helmet of Aguulf
                      4. 0
                        30 October 2019 12: 46
                        Everything about the "Lombard" is clear, just a historiographic tradition that has no foundation.
                        As they say, they shredded the shield when they wrote the answer in the morning, I wanted to mention that I hadn’t met this anywhere, I was always surprised myself, indeed in Ostry, these shields are frequent.
                        I do not agree with this approach.
                      5. 0
                        30 October 2019 17: 31
                        Thank you for your response
  12. 0
    29 October 2019 23: 08
    Quote: Dalton
    dominus rerum

    Those. not rex - what I was talking about.
    1. +4
      30 October 2019 08: 48
      No, not so.
      Imperial governor. What does Rex have to do with it?
      1. +1
        30 October 2019 11: 30
        Rex is the king in Latin. And dominus rerum (imperial governor) is not the head of state, but an official.

        The Gothic kuningaz (prince) could not be king also because the Goths denied the Christianity of the Western rite led by the Roman pontiff (the only one who appropriated the title rex), professing Arianism themselves.
        1. +3
          30 October 2019 18: 25
          Naturally,
          dominus rerum (imperial governor) - not the head of state, but an official.

          What I drew attention to
  13. -6
    30 October 2019 00: 06
    Alexey will probably be offended again, but what to do? "Socrates is my friend - but the truth is dearer"!

    Quote: Alexey Oleynikov
    Generals are at this time at the same time confectioners - in the sense in which this word is used in a later era. They are surrounded by troops that are recruited by them in their own name and which are called the "Hypaspists." They can not be called bodyguards, as their number reaches several thousand.
    It's simple - here the author (or probably his sources) confused 2 things - the personal squad under the commander was the so-called. "Bucellarii", and yes, their number was from several hundred to several thousand soldiers. But the "hypaspists" of the Early Byzantium period - of which there were also several thousand - is the usual militia "Middle Byzantine infantry", no more, only recruited from "extraordinaries", "hunting people", etc.

    Quote: Alexey Oleynikov
    But ... gradually, under the influence of military operations with its eastern neighbors (Sassanid Iran was for a long time the main direction), the priority in the structure of the army eventually passes from infantry (the skeleton in the old Roman army) to cavalry, which has become the best and most part of the Byzantine Empire's army.
    There is a good old expression, according to which if someone is not sure of something, then maybe it is worth keeping silent? Why spoil a lot of good stuff with mistakes?

    The evolution of the classical Roman army of the period of the Late Republic-Early Empire occurred already in the 3 century. It was then that the priority of the cavalry over the infantry began to sharply come to light (especially after the defeat from the late Parthians and the emerging Sassanid Persians).

    After the reforms of Diocletian-Constantine, the structure of the Roman army changes dramatically, and after Adrianople the Roman army already essentially loses its base and is being formed in a new type.

    Those. in 4-5 centuries this process is already in full swing, i.e. long before Justinian.

    And another mistake - the cavalry in the Byzantine army was, yes, the best part of it, but NEVER made up the majority of it. Just a fact. The main problem of Byzantium throughout the entire period of its existence was the terrible shortage of cavalry (despite the fact that a significant part of its enemies were "equestrian peoples").

    Quote: Alexey Oleynikov
    In addition, Greek fire was invented in Byzantium, although it was practically not used in this era.
    Mdya The Greek fire has a specific author and a specific start date for combat use. What is the relationship of this superweapon of his era with the time of Justinian, about which the article?
    1. 0
      30 October 2019 05: 24
      not Socrates, but Plato drinks Amicus Plato, sed magis arnica Veritas

      plumbats are kind of strange in the pictures in the article.
      get, fascist, plumbat!

      1. -2
        30 October 2019 09: 12
        Your criticized image for the VI century. irrelevant, all IV century, a tool with a long shaft is not plumbat, but mithiabarbulla.
        1. -1
          30 October 2019 09: 33

          Emnip, mathiobarbula is the same plumbat with spikes - the Mars spine. And there is some kind of atlate with a pig
          1. -2
            30 October 2019 10: 22
            You are not right,
            see Statigicon of Mauritius, translation by V.V. Kuchma, xnumx g edition, Aletheia, S. xnumx.
            1. +1
              30 October 2019 11: 13
              did Mauritius describe the appearance there?
              1. -2
                30 October 2019 11: 26
                The comments describe the alleged appearance, in Mauritius, that they must be transported in covers and carts.
                And you know how it looked in the VI century. If you give a link to a historical source, and not to the reenactors, I will be grateful.
                Archaeologically, we have nothing, there are plumbats, but not of the 6th century, but there is no Marsobarbul.
                1. +2
                  30 October 2019 11: 38
                  No, I don’t know, but only guess.
                  Mauritius also describes the transport of cart arrows and sling shells. Probably they were arrows the size of a telegraph pole? Of course not. These were small but numerous ammunition.
                  Vegetation plumbatu calls Marsobarbula. Mauritius once even called a baton to throw at the enemy. What plumbath looks like archaeologists know and its species Marsobarbula
                2. +1
                  30 October 2019 11: 42
                  Marsobarbula, the way you see it (in the fig. to the article) will not fly far - the resistance is great, the second pilum is practically only feathered. And Mauritius speaks of a much greater range of application. Reconstructors also did not immediately get to this. And the shaft behind the plumage for a long throw must be
                  1. -1
                    30 October 2019 12: 07
                    Maybe maybe
                    but pilum was no longer used.
                    These plumbats were directly found, so there was no need to think up anything.
                    1. +2
                      30 October 2019 16: 15
                      Mikhail Matyugin (Mikhail) truth is more expensive

                      It is very funny that this person (I’m not a nickname, but about the puppeteer in general) quite seriously considers himself a bearer of truth) I am silent about the psychiatric and psychological aspects of such statements.
                      I'm talking about a factual nuance)
                      we all know that with respect to characters making such loud statements, everything happens exactly the opposite wink
    2. +6
      30 October 2019 08: 58
      Mikhail Matyugin (Mikhail) Alexei will probably be offended again, but what to do? "Socrates is my friend - but the truth is dearer"!

      Well, I think it’s not worth it to be offended by people like you. To be friends with great schemers laughing
      I explain why against the background of the opus pseudomatyugin
      here the author (or probably his sources) confused 2 things - the personal squad under the commander was the so-called. "Bucellarii", and yes, their number was from several hundred to several thousand soldiers. But the "hypaspists" of the Early Byzantine period - of which there were also several thousand - is the usual militia "Middle Byzantine infantry", no more, only recruited from "extraordinaries", "hunting people", etc.

      Well, open your favorite Wikipedia. The word "Hypaspists".
      It reads:
      The Byzantine army at the time of Justinian also had Ipaspists (Hypaspists) or Bukkelaria — personal commanders of the commanders, distinguished by excellent weapons, training and the ability to fight on horseback and on foot, in the ranks and alone. The officers of the units were called Dorifor spearmen, and the rank and file were shield-bearers

      So in the article everything is indicated correctly
      Second is your opus
      It was then that the priority of the cavalry over the infantry began to sharply come to light (especially after the defeat from the late Parthians and the emerging Sassanid Persians).
      After the reforms of Diocletian-Constantine, the structure of the Roman army changes dramatically, and after Adrianople the Roman army already essentially loses its base and is being formed in a new type.
      Those. in 4-5 centuries this process is already in full swing, i.e. long before Justinian.

      This statement confirms
      priority in the structure of the army over time passes from infantry (the backbone of the old Roman army) to cavalry, which has become the best and most part of the army of the Byzantine Empire.

      you just confirmed it yourself
      another mistake - the cavalry in the Byzantine army was yes, its best part, but NEVER made up its bulk.

      Really?) Especially funny is the word NEVER.
      The army of Belisarius, if anything, was mounted (mainly), which, among other things, explained their increased mobility.
      Mdya The Greek fire has a specific author and a specific start date for combat use. What is the relationship of this superweapon of his era with the time of Justinian, about which the article

      Why is it if the article says
      In addition, Greek fire was invented in Byzantium, although it was practically not used in this era.

      NOT APPLIED. Can we read Russian?)
      Probably just mentioned in the context of the common causes of the victories of Byzantine weapons.
      By the way, enlighten me Mikhail Matyugin (Mikhail) about the beginning of the use of Greek fire
      1. -2
        30 October 2019 09: 35
        Well, open your favorite Wikipedia. The word "Hypaspists".

        Wikipedia, how is the source?
        Interestingly laughing
        1. +8
          30 October 2019 09: 49
          As far as I know, far from the last source for you wink
          1. -7
            30 October 2019 10: 31
            Dalton
            Are you the author of this article?
            Am I just not up to date or just acting like a CLOWN?
            As far as I know, far from the last source for you

            This is a kind of lucky joke.
            If the author, then it is necessary to be more friendly and correct with respect to the comments, especially people who are better at your knowledge of the topic, if not the author, all the more - just respectfully.
            Culture in dispute is the most important issue, and teenage scolding, juggling, and shifting to personalities are a gateway.
            We must learn culture and be more tolerant.
            I deflect and conduct a discussion in the style: "he is such and such," I do not intend to. hi
            1. +7
              30 October 2019 10: 45
              Dalton
              and you are the author of this article

              No, I'm just the Ranger of this site.
              So to speak, setting some of those who twist, twists laughing
              As for the fact that you understand something, except for commenting on the pictures, let me not believe it. After all, overlook is visible with the naked eye.
              Bow out)
              Naturally, what else remains for you? you were asked to name the year and place of protection. Imposture is a punishable thing. And you, of course, sail away for florid words to distant distances laughing hi
      2. -6
        30 October 2019 20: 57
        Quote: Dalton
        Well, I think it’s not worth it to be offended by people like you

        Alyosha, here you are by chance not offended by life, huh? Constant rudeness, anguish and inability to respond to criticism with restraint speak precisely of this.

        Quote: Dalton
        I explain why against the background of the opus pseudomatyugin

        Tie rude, ok? The opus here was written only by you. Unlike you, a man who is clearly a cowardly and insulting opponent without reason, I am here on the site under my name, since I have nothing to hide.

        On this topic -. the armies of Byzantium during the Justinian period were not purely equestrian. The share of cavalry in the armies of Belisarius and Narzes from 2 \ 5 to 1 \ 3, if for memory, the rest are foot soldiers.

        The structure of the army changed, the emphasis abruptly shifted to the cavalry - but the infantry, nevertheless, remained its bulk.

        Quote: Dalton
        The army of Belisarius, if anything, was mounted (mainly), which, among other things, explained their increased mobility.
        Well, look who was really mobile - the same Huns, Avars, etc. Even the vandals in North Africa, attacking the Byzantines, were just just mounted.

        If you don't understand about the "Greek fire" - I will give a simple analogy - writing about it during the wars of Belisarius is the same as talking about nuclear weapons, considering the battle on the Somme - unprofessional and counterproductive.
        1. +6
          30 October 2019 21: 28
          Alyosha

          My name is not Alyosha Vyacheslav Olegovich.
          This is so, by the way)
          Constant rudeness, anguish and inability to respond to criticism with restraint speak precisely of this.

          Are you talking to me?
          And how do you behave yourself? Some of your nicknames are polite and correct (such as you), others are rude (cccr or Suvorov). But it’s all of you, Mr. Shpakovsky. So don’t teach me. Moreover, you suffer from multi-layered personality stratifications.
          the armies of Byzantium during the Justinian period were not purely equestrian. The share of cavalry in the armies of Belisarius and Narzes is from 2 \ 5 to 1 \ 3, if only as a keepsake, the rest are foot soldiers.

          And I did not write that they were purely equestrian. Had a dream?)
          Or did I use the term "cavalry army" in the commentary to lead you to this idea? So in the cavalry armies of the 20th century there was infantry, and a lot)
          The structure of the army changed, the emphasis abruptly shifted to the cavalry - but the infantry, nevertheless, remained its bulk.

          But not in the shock mobile groups of Belisarius and Narzes.
          Well, look who was really mobile - the same Huns, Avars, etc. Even the vandals in North Africa, attacking the Byzantines, were just just mounted.

          and it was precisely the fact that the Vasileuses hired entire tribes - such Huns and Avars - and made the armies of Belisarius and Narzes mobile. If you don’t know.
          If you don't understand about the "Greek fire" - I will give a simple analogy - writing about it during the wars of Belisarius is the same as talking about nuclear weapons, considering the battle on the Somme - unprofessional and counterproductive.

          I understood something else.
          firstly, the author’s phrase didn’t confuse you
          In addition, Greek fire was invented in Byzantium, although it was practically not used in this era.

          With persistence worthy of the best application, you continue to chat about what I see in the article is not. For it does not say that the Greek fire was used in the 6th century, it is simply mentioned as one of the (in principle) success factors.
          Secondly, I see that you do not know when the Byzantines first used Greek fire. And they ignored my question on this subject.
          And with all this you allow yourself dubious analogies)
          1. +5
            30 October 2019 21: 43
            I’m forgot Nick Matyugin
            you here thoughtfully
            inability to respond critically to restraint

            when it comes to constructive criticism. And when a many-headed ignoram comes in, and even trolling, this is unacceptable) Even if he imagines himself to be the navel of the earth, an expert in all matters, an experienced warrior and an arch-experienced modeller wassat
            1. +6
              30 October 2019 21: 51
              Bravo Dalton!
              Well done
              1. +5
                30 October 2019 22: 03
                he
                is on the site under his name, there is nothing to hide.

                We have a star here - Russell Crowe.
                Master of the seas)
                I would be ashamed to say such a thing, because you can’t verify the real name, and the picture shows a movie actor.
                Well, chatting ... Big liars as in the comments on VO I have never met in my life.
                Lies are not shame or smoke, eyes will not eat)
                A recommendation to adequate readers not to pay attention to all this husk
          2. -7
            30 October 2019 22: 11
            Quote: Dalton
            My name is not Alyosha Vyacheslav Olegovich.

            Sorry, but I, as an Orthodox person, are truly sorry for you, even in the text you can clearly see the depressive psychosis of persecution.

            Quote: Dalton
            Some of your nicknames are polite and correct (such as you), others are rude (cccr or Suvorov).
            Alyoshenka, stop talking nonsense! I said - this is my real nickname, my name and surname, you obviously have some kind of split consciousness.

            The Byzantine fire, as I said, generally from a different era. In general, it’s clear that a normal discussion with you, Alyosha, is impossible.

            Let me give you simple advice at the end - if you write about the military deeds of the great people of the Past, then try to at least partially understand and, even better, cultivate such concepts as honor, valor, equanimity in any circumstances and the ability to answer for your words .
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              30 October 2019 22: 38
              Sorry, but I, as an Orthodox person, sincerely feel sorry for you,

              Thank. But take pity on yourself buddy. I at least do not suffer from personality stratifications
              Alyoshenka, stop talking nonsense! I said - this is my real nickname, my name and surname, you obviously have some kind of split consciousness.

              Well, are you talking nonsense in Slavik square.
              And about my name, and about this -
              I've told

              You never know what you said. I have long understood that This means nothing
              And the last thing you can believe is such statements. Do not make me laugh.
              The Byzantine fire, as I said, generally from a different era.

              Awesome definition. This is for those who do not know when it was applied for the first time, so there)
              Adviser)
              In general, it’s clear that a normal discussion with you, Alyosha, is impossible.

              but Slavik and I do not need a discussion with you in principle, and it’s not interesting.
              Let me give you simple advice at the end - if you are already writing about the military deeds of the great people of the Past

              Come on in the country of Soviets. they are not interesting to me.
              What I am writing ...
              I wrote to you here, asked about the Greek fire - yes, you turned out to be zero.
              then try to at least partially understand and, even better, instill in yourself such concepts as honor, valor, equanimity in any circumstances and the ability to answer for your words.

              I got what you mean
              You wish me what you yourself do not possess laughing
              However, there is a gorgeous saying: the only thing people like to give for free is advice.
              And who is the adviser?
              A rhetorical question laughing
              1. -7
                30 October 2019 23: 01
                Quote: Dalton
                I at least do not suffer from personality stratifications

                Judging by several of your nicknames and the fact that you suspect other members of the forum in attacks on you, you are suffering. Diagnosis even by communication is felt. Therefore, I sympathize.

                Quote: Dalton
                Well, are you talking nonsense in Slavik square.

                Alyosha, remember, my name is Mikhail. I am not Vyacheslav, nor Slavik, nor anyone else. Clear ? or are you unable to remember simple information, and still trying to write opus?

                Quote: Dalton
                but Slavik and I do not need a discussion with you in principle, and it’s not interesting.

                Of course, the truth is that she is so, her eyes are prickling.

                Quote: Dalton
                I wrote to you here, asked about the Greek fire

                The last fact to raise your level of education. The use of Byzantine fire against the Arabs - 670 years. Talking about it for the army of Belisarius is the same as talking about atomic weapons when taking Plevna. And yes, for educational program, - what was before this is NOT Greek fire, but simply naphtha. Example - people have known about the emission of atoms of certain substances for a long time. But the nuclear bomb was created and tested only by the 1945 year.

                PS It’s a pity that my advice on the qualities of a worthy, not even a warrior, is not, but just at least a peasant in life is incomprehensible to you.
                1. +6
                  31 October 2019 10: 39
                  Judging by several of your nicknames and by the fact that you suspect other forum members of attacks on you, you’re just suffering

                  My nicknames? You are talking about yourself Slavik, this is obvious)
                  Alyosha, remember, my name is Mikhail. I am not Vyacheslav, nor Slavik, nor anyone else. Clear ? or are you unable to remember simple information, and still trying to write opus?

                  And my name is not Slavik Alyosha.
                  If you can’t remember this simple information, then why write opus, huh?
                  Of course, the truth is that she is so, her eyes are prickling.

                  Yes, no buddy. the truth in your opuses and does not smell. You're soaked in lies, like an old skillet with rust.
                  It's not that.
                  They simply enter into discussion with informed and educated people, and not with under-trained modellers.
                  The use of Byzantine fire against the Arabs - 670s. Talking about it for the army of Belisarius is the same as talking about atomic weapons when taking Plevna. And yes, for educational program, - what was before this is NOT Greek fire, but simply naphtha. Example - people have known about the emission of atoms of certain substances for a long time. But a nuclear bomb was created and tested only by 1945.

                  I am not talking about Greek fire in the army of Belisarius.
                  And the author does not say.
                  You are so dumb that you can’t even understand the meaning of the phrase:
                  In addition, Greek fire was invented in Byzantium, although it was practically not used in this era.

                  What kind of discussions can be with such a character?
                  but aplomb how many Russell Crowe)
                  In the article, only the Greek fire is simply mentioned as one of (in principle) success factors. Well, I wrote about this. What kind of discussions can be with a stubborn one?
                  It is unfortunate that my advice on the qualities of a worthy, not even a warrior, is not, but just at least a peasant in life is incomprehensible to you.

                  I understand it when it comes from a warrior and from a man.
                  And you are not entitled to give such advice, I won’t say why. You’ll be even more offended by Russell Crowe (aka Manyugin, that is, Shpakovsky) laughing
                  1. +7
                    31 October 2019 11: 09
                    He, this manyugin, even here lies. Note)
                    Moreover, in a fairly transparent and narrow issue.
                    It was the Greek Fire (and no naphtha) that was invented not in 670, but in 673.
                    Amused children's comparisons with the Plevna manugin since 1945 and nuclear weapons.
                    The poor fellow is not aware that in the era of knives, progress was much slower and there was no technological difference between, for example, 550 and 650 years. Unlike, for example, the 1850s and 1950s.
                    However, I want to note that even before the invention of the Greek fire itself, its prototypes were used (the opus of a maniugin about naphtha, but from the series - I hear a ringing, but I don’t know where it is). They were used already from the 2nd century BC. The Chinese, the Greeks, and the Romans knew him. Naturally, the Byzantines. So not from scratch)
                    I would like to believe that nickname Manyugin is not the same man as a "expert". Quotation marks probably put a little))
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    30 October 2019 17: 23
    Excellent article. Although about the desire to return, the Romanized population of the west of the empire is not spoken.
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    4 November 2019 21: 05
    It would be better, instead of useless fuss with the Ostrogoths and a hopeless govnokonflict with Iran, Belisarius burned the vicinity of Pelusia, preventing the plague. It was she who undermined the power of Romea. After her, Romea only defended herself and could no longer counterattack.
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