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In Ukraine, a criminal trial of a man in a T-shirt with the coat of arms of the USSR

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In Ukraine, the scandal with criminal prosecution of a resident of Krivoy Rog, who came out in a T-shirt with the coat of arms of the Soviet Union, is gaining momentum. A criminal case against a resident of the city was opened this summer when he appeared in a T-shirt with the emblem of the USSR in a local shopping center. The man was photographed and "handed over" to the police.


In Ukraine, a criminal trial of a man in a T-shirt with the coat of arms of the USSR


At the trial, the man was found guilty under Part 1 Art. 436-1 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine in connection with the “forbidden communist symbols” used by him. Initially, the court sentenced in the form of 1 of the year of restriction of freedom, then they decided to change the restriction of freedom for the same probationary period.

A resident of Krivoy Rog who has put on a T-shirt with the coat of arms of the USSR should now periodically appear at the authorized body “to check” - whether he has put on the T-shirt with the coat of arms of the Soviet Union again ... Also, he cannot leave his place of permanent residence and leave the country without informing the supervisory authority.

In this regard, Ukraine stated that, by the same logic, it is time to prosecute everyone who, for example, comes to the memorial of the Great Patriotic War in Kiev, where in the hands of the sculpture Mother Motherland is a shield with the image of the coat of arms of the USSR. All this absurdity is connected with the fact that Ukraine is once again trying to rewrite its own history. But the problem for Ukraine is that if you really rewrite this story, then you can finally lose the statehood that was once built on the history of the same USSR.
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  1. seti
    seti 27 October 2019 14: 09
    +21
    A country without history does not have a right to exist.
    1. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 27 October 2019 14: 39
      +32
      In 2014, simultaneously with Crimea, it was necessary to solve the problem of the existence of this openly hostile state of Russia ...
      1. Spartanez300
        Spartanez300 27 October 2019 14: 41
        +6
        You can safely register a new diagnosis in psychiatry - "schizophrenia in Ukrainian".
        1. Greg Miller
          Greg Miller 27 October 2019 14: 43
          +28
          This is not schizophrenia, this is the cultivation of hatred for the Soviet past. The past, in which Ukrainians and Russians were a single Soviet people ....
          1. Normal
            Normal 27 October 2019 15: 02
            +7
            Most schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is a splitting of consciousness, which is observed in Ukraine
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 27 October 2019 15: 16
              +5
              Quote: Normal
              Most schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is a splitting of consciousness, which is observed in Ukraine

              Do not be so categorical ...
            2. KERMET
              KERMET 27 October 2019 15: 51
              +7
              Well, it’s not so Ukrainian either, our government has the same splitting 2 times a year - on May 9 and November 7
          2. demo
            demo 27 October 2019 16: 29
            -4
            Quite by chance I came across an interesting material about the T 100 aircraft.
            Just stunned.
            And the main conclusion is that Russia has fewer enemies in the world than inside it.
            And I read a completely unique comment:
            Russia has always had a glorious past, a beautiful future, and .... disgusting present
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjjU3f2niCI
            I recommend to see.

            And after viewing it is possible to evaluate why such events occur in this U. bastard power.
        2. Normal
          Normal 27 October 2019 15: 00
          +2
          correct, Ukrainian schizophrenia (in the manner of sluggish schizophrenia)
        3. Proxima
          Proxima 27 October 2019 15: 49
          +4
          Quote: Spartanez300
          You can safely register a new diagnosis in psychiatry - "schizophrenia in Ukrainian".

          And you can file a lawsuit against Russia whether it corresponds to Part 1 of Art. 436-1 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine resolution of any international institution ?! Then it turns out complete nonsense. Then you will have to condemn (retroactively), for example, the leaders of the USA and Great Britain (Roosevelt and Churchill), who were photographed in Yalta under Soviet symbols.
          1. Oleg (Kharkov)
            Oleg (Kharkov) 27 October 2019 21: 31
            +4
            Quote: Proxima
            Can Russia file a lawsuit over

            Who will do this? Putin? Who will protect the citizen of the deceased country, which is pressed by a foreign state? Putin does not want (cannot) protect the citizens of his country, what to say about strangers ...
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    3. Lexus
      Lexus 27 October 2019 14: 45
      +20
      I have such a T-shirt. And she's beloved. Once in it I went to celebrate the Day of the Soviet Army and the Navy (young people, of course, celebrated Defender of the Fatherland Day) to a restaurant. When he found his friends, they shouted loudly together, "Lyokha has come!" The entire restaurant audience (many more than 100 people, of which only 8 are mine), including women, got up and began to greet me and invite me to their tables. In response, he congratulated everyone in the Soviet way. I am not the navel of the earth, and the people in the restaurant were of different colors, but I did not get it in the face and, moreover, it was difficult not to get hooked, because absolutely everyone offered to drink together.
      Why am I doing this? Nostalgia for the Soviet Union can be draped with any "still lifes". Even young people who know about the USSR from the stories of their parents have respect for that GREAT COUNTRY. And do not care about prohibitions and prohibitors, whoever they are.
      1. Leshy1975
        Leshy1975 27 October 2019 14: 57
        +3
        Quote: lexus
        I have such a T-shirt. And she's beloved. Once in it I went to celebrate the Day of the Soviet Army and the Navy (young people, of course, celebrated Defender of the Fatherland Day) to a restaurant. When he found his friends, they shouted loudly together, "Lyokha has come!" The entire restaurant audience (many more than 100 people, of which only 8 are mine), including women, got up and began to greet me and invite me to their tables. In response, he congratulated everyone in the Soviet way. I am not the navel of the earth, and the people in the restaurant were of different colors, but I did not get it in the face and, moreover, it was difficult not to get hooked, because absolutely everyone offered to drink together.
        Why am I doing this? Nostalgia for the Soviet Union can be draped with any "still lifes". Even young people who know about the USSR from the stories of their parents have respect for that GREAT COUNTRY. And do not care about prohibitions and prohibitors, whoever they are.

        And I had it, but I didn’t wear it for long, my son took it and walked in it. And I was not opposed, since my son (youth 16 years old) shares my views. hi
        1. A good one
          A good one 27 October 2019 15: 01
          +4
          Quote: Leshy1975
          Quote: lexus
          I have such a T-shirt. And she's beloved. Once in it I went to celebrate the Day of the Soviet Army and the Navy (young people, of course, celebrated Defender of the Fatherland Day) to a restaurant. When he found his friends, they shouted loudly together, "Lyokha has come!" The entire restaurant audience (many more than 100 people, of which only 8 are mine), including women, got up and began to greet me and invite me to their tables. In response, he congratulated everyone in the Soviet way. I am not the navel of the earth, and the people in the restaurant were of different colors, but I did not get it in the face and, moreover, it was difficult not to get hooked, because absolutely everyone offered to drink together.
          Why am I doing this? Nostalgia for the Soviet Union can be draped with any "still lifes". Even young people who know about the USSR from the stories of their parents have respect for that GREAT COUNTRY. And do not care about prohibitions and prohibitors, whoever they are.

          And I had it, but I didn’t wear it for long, my son took it and walked in it. And I was not opposed, since my son (youth 16 years old) shares my views. hi

          It is necessary for the son to advise: divide, but check. wink
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 27 October 2019 15: 22
            +4
            I have two tracksuits with the symbols of the USSR. So the son wears one. A friend of my friend took a picture of me because of this symbolism, saying that it is cool now. hi
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 27 October 2019 21: 25
              +5
              Quote: Kasym
              I have two tracksuits with the symbols of the USSR. So the son wears one. A friend of my friend took a picture of me because of this symbolism, saying that it is cool now. hi

              When my daughter studied at the academy, she took my kimono jacket to the gym - red stars on her shoulders, on the back (large) and on the chest (smaller): USSR Armed Forces. Reaction: Present? Paternal, from the army. Cool, damn it! So youth is a field not plowed.
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 27 October 2019 14: 58
        +3
        I also have several t-shirts) but go to the restaurant in them ...)))
        1. The popuas
          The popuas 27 October 2019 16: 21
          -1
          ,, restaurants ,, there are different wink
      3. sabakina
        sabakina 27 October 2019 15: 27
        +12
        Quote: lexus
        I have such a t-shirt. And she is a favorite.

        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 27 October 2019 15: 56
          +1
          Tears from the eyes ...
          Thank you hi
        2. loki565
          loki565 27 October 2019 18: 15
          +5
          In Ukraine, a criminal trial of a man in a T-shirt with the coat of arms of the USSR

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    4. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 27 October 2019 14: 51
      -3
      Quote: seti
      A country without history does not have a right to exist.

      Come on. We, too, have repainted and repainted history to please the emerging ruling class. And also, some members of the forum are so "breathing unevenly" to the Bolshevik and Soviet periods of history, I would even say that they feel obvious hatred, that if they were given free rein, one drapery of the mausoleum would definitely not have cost. And we would have carried out exactly the same, and maybe even worse, de-communization. The whole question is who will come to power in the Russian Federation at the next stage. If the left (to which I count myself), then of course the Soviet legacy, in one form or another (including ideas, symbols) will be returned to the agenda of society.
      And if our opponents are so ardent, then it is also clear that the Soviet past will be finally defamed and first the "myrrh-streaming" portraits of the last emperor will be returned, and then the portrait of the new (already physiologically old) emperor will be "pacified".

      This is what I am all about. There is already such a project in the Kremlin, since the rating of the EP party is not subject to resuscitation.
      The following is all about I.I. Strelkova:
      1) Educational program: "Who is our extreme king."
      Grand Duke Georgy Mikhailovich, accompanied by K.V. Malofeev "on an official visit" visited the Crimea and there he met with the head of the subject of the federation. ... ...
      Who do you want? Here Poklonskaya has long been proposing Putin as tsar - and you wrinkle your lip. If you do not want yours, you will have a "Varangian" on the throne (my comment laughing)
      2) A little about the personnel of the "Two-Legged Plow" - about the "true successors of the White Cause" - "visual aid", so to speak .... Beliefs !!! Intelligence!!! Nobility!!!
      (since the video contains non-normative vocabulary I will give only the link: https://youtu.be/YCIzLH96WZA)
      3) I am looking forward to the official announcement of the creation of a political party on the basis of the "Two-Legged Oral" (aka "Two-Headed Eagle") with "markers": "national" and "right-conservative". There is more than enough information about the preparation for creation, the issue is practically resolved.

      The leader is K. Malofeev. "Leaders of the second row": Poklonskaya, Borodai, I.B. Ivanov (who is from the ROVS). Patrons and guides: the Gromov couple (husband - Aleksey Alekseevich - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gromov_Aleksey_Aleksey .. and wife - Anna Vitalievna - https://ura.news/news/1052343549). And also Putin's plenipotentiary in the Central Federal District - Shchegolev (Malofeev's brother-in-law, by the way). Well, of course, "in deep shadow" behind the figure of "the main nationalist and patriot of the Russian Federation" - Aslanbek Andarbekovich is guessed.

      The tactical goal is to enter the Duma in the next elections under the crack of criticism "from national-patriotic right-wing positions" of everything and everyone, except ... the Greatest Geogalactic Nanogeny .... which is ONE In Three (or more?) Persons, Sinless, Great and It is so bright that all this wonderful company, at the mention of His Name, suffocates with delight and exalted sacred reverence. The strategic goal is to "replace" any of the existing "system parties" in the future and continue the battle for access to the "innermost depths of the trough" at a new level.

      The "gathering of troops" is already underway in all directions. All pseudo-patriotic and pseudo-Orthodox "tusa", inspired by yellow T-shirts with eagles and scored half of the assembly hall of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior at the extreme "Russian People's Cathedral" (nicely adjacent to the inevitable Hasidim and mullahs), is already mobilized and is waiting at a low start " ...

      PS That's the way citizens. While we are laughing here (sometimes through tears) and declare that we are different and we can never have this, but meanwhile the work, which is not advertised until the right moment, is going on as usual. However, I hope that in this case the Kremlin will succeed in accordance with the modern saying:
      Once upon a time there were craftsmen, they did it quickly, they took it not expensively, but it turned out to be shitty. laughing
    5. loki565
      loki565 27 October 2019 14: 56
      +1
      As this video shows, it’s better not to call in Ukraine, even on the way))) And you won’t get enough coffee)))
    6. knn54
      knn54 27 October 2019 15: 38
      0
      A country that denies the past, distorting the present has no future.
    7. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 27 October 2019 15: 44
      +14
      Quote: seti
      A country without history does not have a right to exist.

      1. Andrei Gurov
        Andrei Gurov 27 October 2019 16: 46
        +1
        Well said!
      2. rammjager
        rammjager 27 October 2019 18: 40
        -8
        Are you talking about Russia?
        1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
          Uncle Vanya Susanin 28 October 2019 20: 20
          0
          No, he is about Ukraine.
    8. 210ox
      210ox 27 October 2019 16: 29
      +2
      I would like to hear the opinion of "Stroporez", and of his normal friends, Afghans from Kiev and Kharkov, on this matter, because for them in Ukraine all the rules ...
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 27 October 2019 21: 30
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        I would like to hear the opinion of "Stroporez", and of his normal friends, Afghans from Kiev and Kharkov, on this matter, because for them in Ukraine all the rules ...

        My friends from Ukraine, incl. Afghans, all the rules. I do not understand.
      2. Igoresha
        Igoresha 29 October 2019 12: 28
        0
        In Kharkov, I saw young people in a T-shirt with a swastika.
  2. pl675
    pl675 27 October 2019 14: 09
    +1
    game, what to say ...
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  3. Cut Samshitov
    Cut Samshitov 27 October 2019 14: 11
    +13
    It is high time for Russia to equate the Bandera trident with the fascist swastika, with the corresponding responsibility.
    1. Shuttle
      Shuttle 27 October 2019 14: 48
      +9
      Quote: Cut Samshitov
      It is high time for Russia to equate the Bandera trident with the fascist swastika, with the corresponding responsibility.

      Russia cannot now. She herself has symptoms of the same property. Either they drape the mausoleum, or they erect monuments to the non-residents of Solzhenitsyn's bottling. And they were very flattering to banderlogs and any ROA-schnicks.
      A memorial plaque to the old man Mannerheim was already set. It’s good that they didn’t confuse it with Manstein.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 27 October 2019 15: 00
        +2
        people change like their preferences and that’s normal. but we definitely don’t have wildness with bans. streets do not change the name. symbolism is not prohibited. why do we have such a mania forever on my house to pour dirt I personally do not understand.
        1. Leshy1975
          Leshy1975 27 October 2019 15: 42
          +2
          Quote: carstorm 11
          people change like their preferences and that’s normal. but we definitely don’t have wildness with bans. streets do not change the name. symbolism is not prohibited. why do we have such a mania forever on my house to pour dirt I personally do not understand.

          Yes, because after an unsuccessful attempt to establish a Mannerheim board, with the participation of senior officials, another scandal with an attempt to open the Mannerheim Museum already.

          So who pours dirt on his house? Exactly we, and not those who stubbornly impose the executioner's museum to Peter (Leningrad) ?! Or maybe this is the only example? But what about the articles on VO, about the monuments to the Italian fascists in Rossosh and in the Belgorod region? Who pours dirt? We who say that this is happening with us! Or those who do this? Maybe you need to not notice and repeat the famous mantra - about the rising of the Russian Federation from its knees? At which for some reason the monuments are placed to the executioners of her people!
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 27 October 2019 15: 58
            -2
            Well, residents do not want to. let them of course protest. and the monuments ... there are soldiers and not necessarily fascists. I'm not saying that this is correct. but the war ended long ago. criminals convicted. and there the graves are simple. if residents don’t mind then why not erect a monument? if against then of course not. a monument is essentially a tombstone supporting memories of something. and that’s it.
            1. Leshy1975
              Leshy1975 27 October 2019 16: 15
              +3
              Quote: carstorm 11
              a monument is essentially a tombstone supporting memories of something. and all.

              Well, here we are. That is, for example, a monument to Hitler and a monument to Stalin, can be considered just memories and no difference? Congratulations, in Europe we already thought of it ourselves - equating Stalin with Hitler. Well, absolutely, as you wish, no ideology:
              but the war ended long ago. criminals convicted.
              Now you can take the next step. Once Hitler was convicted, and Stalin was equal to him (according to Europe), it is now logical to rank Stalin, along with the state he leads, as criminals. So it turns out? And what, everything is logical, from their point of view (and by politics, of course, it doesn’t even smell, so, pure logic).

              PS Why do you need this? To help the West (dissolving the border between good and evil) in turning the liberator, who, in contrast to the West himself, incurs the heaviest price, into the accused? Do you think that they can’t do without you?
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 27 October 2019 17: 15
                0
                why are you flipping what I said?) a monument is a monument. there is a clear definition that I called him. started some kind of game sorry to bring it to God ...
                1. Leshy1975
                  Leshy1975 27 October 2019 18: 43
                  +3
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  why are you flipping what I said?) a monument is a monument. there is a clear definition that I called him. started some kind of game sorry to bring it to God ...

                  You carry the game when you do not see the difference to whom exactly the monuments are erected:
                  there are soldiers and not necessarily fascists
                  Personally, you can consider them at least armed tourists. My opinion is absolutely the opposite. And I just tried to explain to you what trend your reasoning is in. However, I see that it makes no sense, you can continue to believe that it’s just like me
                  dirt on your house
                  . And you, not finding anything shameful in perpetuating the memory of the executioners, restore order in this house. The only question is what order.

                  PS I consider the further discussion with you pointless, because we have too different concepts about the order and dirt in the house (i.e. country).
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 27 October 2019 19: 04
                    +5

                    Do you know what this monument is? who put The dead of a great army? and where is he standing? I tell you about it. the French conquered the monument to the vanquished. and what's wrong with that? and the Germans are mostly soldiers who died. desires to fight which were not asked. the enemy also needs to be respected.
                    1. Leshy1975
                      Leshy1975 27 October 2019 19: 59
                      +3
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      the enemy also needs to be respected.

                      Come on, respect, you can lay flowers on them.
                      1. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 28 October 2019 01: 53
                        +4
                        I know German. all their lives people have to prove that the German and the fascist are not synonyms. somehow tired over the years to do it. think whatever you want.
                      2. Leshy1975
                        Leshy1975 28 October 2019 09: 36
                        0
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        I know German. all their lives people have to prove that the German and the fascist are not synonyms. somehow tired over the years to do it. think whatever you want.

                        You can’t even imagine how many classmates and friends of Germans I have (Mozman, Schmidt, Krum, Keller, etc.). One of two best friends, also German. There is such a name - Berger, an ordinary Russian German. And I love his family, including parents, as mine. Nobody ever rebuked them that they were Germans. And I’ve never heard such a game from them in order to erect monuments to the Nazis. And you’ve got a completely moral compass, if you don’t see the difference, between just a German and that German (Finnish, Hungarian, etc.) who came to us for living space, participating in the destruction of defenders and civilians. So, I know our Germans, wonderful people. And of course you can erect monuments to the Nazis (in your yard, of course, where no one sees), and make the inscription appropriate: understand and forgive.

                        PS I’m not going to forgive the fascists (but not the Germans). And do you know how a fascist differs from a German? My grandfathers drove the Nazis to the grave, deservedly. But the Germans live.
                        And by erecting monuments to the fascists, you are just trying to raise them from the grave. Of course, spiritually, not physically.
                    2. Shuttle
                      Shuttle 28 October 2019 11: 45
                      -1
                      The difference between the war of 1812 and 1941-1945 of the year is not only in time. She is in ideology. The French came here to cash in, rob, but in the end, not to kill, not to exterminate the population. The Nazi invaders had slightly different goals. In addition to this, they also wanted to correct a little bit of demography.

                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      ... and the Germans are mostly soldiers who died. desires to fight which were not asked. the enemy also needs to be respected.

                      I recognize brother Kolya from Urengoy !!!
                      Of course they didn’t ask. They called and people went to war. But the fact of the matter is that during this war they fought not only with the armed weapons of the army, sorry for the tautology. They exterminated the civilian population. A little Veshayt, a little Ershissen, a little select FSE that you could eat.
                      Not all. Among German soldiers there were also people who were not devoid of normal human feelings. For example, in Rostov-on-Don, I know one grandfather who, at the age of three, was treated by a German doctor during the occupation. I don’t know how he treated, what exactly, but I know that somehow he helped me through the medical line.
                      ... When the Germans left, then in the city prison they found 1154 the corpse of the townspeople executed and tortured by the Nazis. Of the total number of corpses, 370 were found in the pit, 303 in different parts of the courtyard, and 346 among the ruins of the blown up building. Among the victims - 55 minors, 122 women.
                      ... Those who arrived at the checkpoints were taken to the 2th Zmievka, whose inhabitants were forced to leave their homes, in groups of 200-300 people and were driven to the place of execution, where they shot the adults (some were killed in the gas chamber), and the children were killed, smearing their lips with powerful poison. Then, about 15 thousand people died in the Zmievsky beam. In total, before the 43 year, the invaders executed about 27 thousand people. Mostly the Jewish population, although there were other nationalities. Later, the Nazis killed there underground workers, mentally ill, prisoners of war and other Soviet citizens.

                      Yes, of course, all the vile stinkers from the SS did it.
                      But let's be honest, protection from the Red Army troops for these Sonderkommando, Einsatzgruppen and other war criminals was provided by those very ordinary soldiers, "who were not asked."
                      I do not call for the desecration of the military cemeteries of the vanquished invaders. Let them be the care of those to whom they are dear. It is normal to remember their near and dear ones even if they went on a campaign for the best share and lay down in the alien distant eastern Russland (Russia) fighting there with the Demografische Entwicklung (demographic development) of the stubborn communist Ivanovs, Moses, Armenians and other Ulugbeks.
                      But to erect monuments on the ground where children are killed through poison with which they smeared their lips by those who actually on their shoulders were brought by those "who were not asked" is disrespect, desecration of the memory of these children. Quiet regret for the immortal souls of these warriors and the inviolability of the military cemeteries of these ghouls - that's all that I personally am capable of in connection with the above.

                      Well, I would also like to embed in the face of the parents of these idiots. Yes, and they themselves would be idiots too.

                      This is all about my Rostov-on-Don only. But there are other places ...
      2. Andrey Chistyakov
        Andrey Chistyakov 27 October 2019 15: 32
        0
        "The memorial plaque to old Mannerheim has already been put up"
        They don’t put it anymore. Weaned.
        1. Leshy1975
          Leshy1975 27 October 2019 15: 58
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
          "The memorial plaque to old Mannerheim has already been put up"
          They don’t put it anymore. Weaned.

          Yeah, weaned. So much so that instead of a board they wanted a museum.
      3. Geo⁣
        Geo⁣ 27 October 2019 21: 39
        0
        Quote: Shuttle
        mausoleum

        The Chinese mausoleum is needed. Give the Chinese the mausoleum.
    2. rammjager
      rammjager 27 October 2019 18: 43
      -2
      What about the Vlasov tricolor?
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 27 October 2019 19: 21
        -2
        Quote: rammjager
        What about the Vlasov tricolor?

        Were you not tired of raving?
        1. rammjager
          rammjager 27 October 2019 19: 26
          -3
          Well, what can I say ... Have you ever come of age? And sometimes you are talking such nonsense ...
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 28 October 2019 02: 07
            +4
            and what is the nonsense? that you do not know the history of tricolor? that he is 300 years old and Vlasov has the same relation to him as I do to ballet?
          2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
            Uncle Vanya Susanin 28 October 2019 20: 28
            0
            Bullshit is to call the tricolor Vlasov, you don’t even know under what flag Vlasov fought.
  4. Revival
    Revival 27 October 2019 14: 12
    +11
    We quietly drape the mausoleum, well, like it is not here.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 27 October 2019 15: 02
      -4
      Well there is. Who needs it by and large? Well, if without slogans and other things, now it is for the population what? symbol of the past. monument. to millions of people, it has no other meaning.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 October 2019 18: 56
      -8
      And rightly so, it's time for him to go to the dustbin of history together with Vasily Ulyanov "Sealed"
      1. Revival
        Revival 27 October 2019 19: 50
        +6
        And with a naive look, nod to other countries.
        By hiding a historical monument ..
        Logically ..
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 28 October 2019 01: 58
          +3
          This is a controversial decision. but they don’t hide him the rest of the time. It costs itself. Well and let it be. and they’ll cover it for a day. What’s the tragedy of?
  5. Lesorub
    Lesorub 27 October 2019 14: 19
    +3
    At the trial, the man was found guilty under Part 1 of Art. 436-1 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine in connection with the "prohibited communist symbols" used by him

    Insanity grows stronger !! I propose to all countries of the post-Soviet space that do not like their recent history to completely abandon the legacy of the USSR - housing, factories, infrastructure, weapons, etc.
    1. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 27 October 2019 14: 36
      -4
      So gradually everyone refuses ... Everyone, except Belarus ...
      1. mavrus
        mavrus 27 October 2019 14: 43
        +1
        Yes, and the Old Man here recently freaked out, the Great Patriotic War is not the Belarusian war ... Grygorich was suddenly drawn into senile senility ...
        1. Greg Miller
          Greg Miller 27 October 2019 14: 49
          -1
          I am sure that the Old Man in this case made a banal reservation ...
          1. pl675
            pl675 27 October 2019 20: 56
            +1
            Quote: Greg Miller
            I am sure that the Old Man in this case made a banal reservation ...


            no no.
            he did not make a reservation.
            he just looks the other way, already.
            1. Greg Miller
              Greg Miller 27 October 2019 21: 30
              -2
              Quote: pl675
              Quote: Greg Miller
              I am sure that the Old Man in this case made a banal reservation ...


              no no.
              he did not make a reservation.
              he just looks the other way, already.

              Yes, to another ... After all, the Russian ministers-privatizers and the other oligarchy ruling in Russia do not look towards the West?
    2. Cut Samshitov
      Cut Samshitov 27 October 2019 14: 55
      -1
      And most importantly, at the same time as the rejection of the Soviet legacy, the cities and zemlyats, cut down by sworn commies, were returned.
  6. fruit_cake
    fruit_cake 27 October 2019 14: 20
    +7
    so for the bandits who robbed the people, communism is a terrible thing, because with it, people like them sent to the gulag, and now these are respected people and masters of life
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 27 October 2019 15: 58
      +1
      It is surprising that some people think that such bandits are only in Ukraine.
      1. fruit_cake
        fruit_cake 27 October 2019 17: 17
        0
        But what did I write only about Ukraine?
        1. KERMET
          KERMET 27 October 2019 17: 19
          +1
          Some judging by the comments think that yes, all this applies only to Ukraine
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 27 October 2019 14: 21
    +4
    I am always amazed at this logic in Ukraine. This DneproGES named after V.I. Lenin cannot bear its name, but the electricity generated by the dam built with the hated scoop is quite svidomo. Paradox .............. ..
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 27 October 2019 15: 58
      0
      Always amazed at this logic
      Russia is ruled by Kolchakites who hate everything Soviet, but you have nothing to do, how to discuss Ukraine. Or maybe in Russia do not hide the mausoleum? Soon the day of reconciliation of the oligarchs with the homeless. So talk about how in Russia they endure the legacy of the Soviet regime, and how they pass it off as their achievements.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 27 October 2019 21: 34
        0
        Quote: Gardamir
        Always amazed at this logic
        Russia is ruled by Kolchakites who hate everything Soviet, but you have nothing to do, how to discuss Ukraine. Or maybe in Russia do not hide the mausoleum? Soon the day of reconciliation of the oligarchs with the homeless. So talk about how in Russia they endure the legacy of the Soviet regime, and how they pass it off as their achievements.

        I really can’t form this modern ideology, of modern Russia. It is mixed up with such conditions, but still it turned out that the winners are white. So how?
  8. Kamchatsky
    Kamchatsky 27 October 2019 14: 26
    0
    Kamrad Lipchanin looked into the water, a little earlier he laid out a picture of Lenin at the Mausoleum. good
    1. rammjager
      rammjager 27 October 2019 18: 51
      -4
      This is yes. Bad business is not tricky. For the third time I will quote my quotation “The Russian land does not become impoverished by fools.”
      1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 28 October 2019 20: 35
        0
        You don’t worry, the whole planet Earth is full of fools, so here Russia is in the mainstream.
  9. IAI-Azerbaijan
    IAI-Azerbaijan 27 October 2019 14: 52
    -10
    The USSR is already yesterday.
    IMHO you need to build your road, and go your own way, a balanced ladder that will be 50/50 balanced between the Russian Federation and the United States. Even if you border one of these countries.
    God forbid it was 49/51!
    It is necessary that it is 50/50! And those and others do not piss off, and do not give a reason! Someone will say - This is impossible !?))
    This is very difficult, of course, not all heads of state are capable of this! Only Units! I repeat - this is a super-difficult matter. Depends on how you went in advance. This requires Brains. Only 1 out of 10 heads of state is capable of this, as for example, Ilham Aliyev ..
    Need to balance 50/50. And then it will bend completely to one thing - this is already a defeat ..
    This is all IMHO, I repeat. Practice shows that this is still possible. It’s just that the head of Ukraine can’t wait on either side of the Help, and on either side of the Threat. The only way to success for them.
  10. Normal
    Normal 27 October 2019 14: 59
    +1
    Ukraine, one big psychiatric hospital, with the only difference being that there is no from a real hospital and they leave healthy, recovering from an illness, from Ukraine - no, without options.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 27 October 2019 15: 51
      +1
      Quote: Normal
      Ukraine, one large psychiatric hospital,

      In the hospital they treat. And there every year is getting worse and worse.
      So there is not a hospital, but a nursery
  11. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 27 October 2019 15: 07
    +4
    As the Dagestani poet Abutalib Gafurov said, “If you shoot your past with a pistol, the future will shoot at you from a cannon,” which means that with such a policy there will be no stone unturned from Ukraine in the future, tk. it fires bursts of fire into its past, and therefore the answer from the future will receive not from a cannon, but from multiple launch rocket systems.
    p / s- Based on the fact that the Decree on the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine was executed on a form with the emblem of the USSR, as well as the fact that Ur Cain historically does not identify with the Soviet past, then the effect of that decree has lost force. Crimea was not exactly handed over to Banderastan.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 27 October 2019 15: 52
      0
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      Based on the fact that the Decree on the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine was executed on a form with the emblem of the USSR,

      The decree itself was illegal
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        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 27 October 2019 19: 00
          +2
          Quote: rammjager
          Do you somehow justify your zvezdezh.

          I will justify my WORDS.
          and "you see" you carry
          Changing the territory of the republics was not the responsibility of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, as determined by Article 49 of the Constitution of the USSR [19] [20]; according to Articles 14, 31, this issue was under the jurisdiction of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, which on April 26, 1954 approved the decree of its Presidium on the transfer of Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR and made a corresponding amendment to the Union Constitution [1].

          According to Article 18 of the USSR Constitution of 1954 and Articles 16, 19, 22 and 23 of the Constitution of the RSFSR of 1937, the territory of the RSFSR could not be changed without its consent, which could be given by the supreme body of state power - the Supreme Council of the Republic [20] [21] [22] ] [23] [1] [Comm 21.05.1992]. According to the Decree of the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation of 2809 No. 1-05.02.1954, the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR of 23 “On the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR”, as adopted in violation of the Constitution (Basic Law) of the RSFSR and the legislative procedures recognized as null and void from the moment of adoption [XNUMX]. In 2015, the public organization "Crimean Tatars - Crimea - Russia" announced its intention to appeal to the Supreme Court of Russia with a lawsuit on the illegality of transferring Crimea to Ukraine [25]. Ukrainian researcher Dmitry Karaichev claims that the transfer of Crimea was legalized by the relevant amendments to the Constitution of the RSFSR "in connection with the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR", unanimously voted on June 2, 1954 at a session of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR, after which all questions of legality Registration of the transfer of Crimea from the point of view of Soviet law was allegedly “closed.” [20].
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            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 27 October 2019 19: 28
              +1
              Quote: rammjager
              Unveil. Otherwise, you are a starter. In the USSR, nothing "just like that" was done.

              Should I give you an archive link for every word I say?
              Last time I come back to this question ..
              Putin: "Sevastopol was not given to Ukraine"
              By the way, Vladimir Putin considers the epic with the Crimean region 65 years ago not legitimate. Sevastopol, in his words, always in legal terms always remained a part of Russia. The president shared his thoughts on this subject at a meeting with Moscow mayor Sergei Sobyanin in October last year.

              As the head of state emphasized,

              according to the law, the decision was to be approved by the Supreme Soviets of the two republics and the highest legislative body of the country - the Supreme Council of the USSR, however, the presidiums of these parliaments made the decision.

              “But even with this illegal process, in fact, they simply forgot about Sevastopol, and it was not transferred from the RSFSR to Ukraine. It was a city of central subordination, ”Putin concluded.

              Obviously, in his reasoning, the president relied on the decree of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR “On the Allocation of the City of Sevastopol as an Independent Administrative Center” of October 29, 1948. According to the document on which the official position of Russia is based, from now on the main naval base of the Black Sea Fleet belonged to the category of cities of republican subordination with its own budget. Among other things, this measure was explained by the need for accelerated restoration of the city, which was badly damaged during the Second World War. This was recorded in a separate decree. Funds were sent from the Ministry of Finance and other institutions of the RSFSR.




              https://www.gazeta.ru/science/2019/02/18_a_12192835.shtml
              1. rammjager
                rammjager 27 October 2019 19: 36
                -1
                Once again, for those who are in the tank. And in RUSSIAN. Do you have access to the archives? And your link is not a newspaper ru ... well, you should be aware of it. You are very smart, I look.
          2. Avior
            Avior 27 October 2019 23: 19
            +1
            Where do you get this?
            In the USSR, the Supreme Council was the highest organ of state power and all its decisions were legal and had the highest power by definition.
            Article 30. The supreme body of state power of the USSR is the Supreme Council of the USSR.
  12. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 27 October 2019 15: 13
    0
    Addicts are damned.
    Let instead of the sculpture Mother Motherland put a wide ukroinets with lowered trousers, a hollow to the west, Eurointegrate on the western motive.

    And let the Soviet sculptures be sent to Russia, so as not to trash them with their rotten fallout
  13. Nycomed
    Nycomed 27 October 2019 15: 17
    0
    I have in the 89th year. there was a classy blazer, double-breasted with the embroidered emblem of the USSR on the left side. In my opinion, Yugoslav. 400 rubles then gave for it.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 27 October 2019 15: 25
      0
      400 rubles? It seems chasing.
      1. Nycomed
        Nycomed 27 October 2019 15: 36
        -1
        Why on chasing?
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 27 October 2019 15: 54
        -1
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        400 rubles? It seems chasing.

        Maybe more expensive
  14. Vadim T.
    Vadim T. 27 October 2019 15: 19
    +1
    On the example of Ukraine, a long-standing Roman principle of governance is implemented: divide and conquer. The rejection of the Soviet past, stubbornly enforced by the authorities, has as its goal the education of mankurts. Now the main stake is on youth. School history books are reprinted every year, and each new edition increasingly denigrates the Soviet system. The emphasis is on famines and repressions, so as to arouse hatred of all Russian: language, culture, people and the state. This is a cherished dream of Ukrainian reformers.
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 27 October 2019 16: 01
      +3
      Only Ukrainian?
      1. Vadim T.
        Vadim T. 27 October 2019 17: 14
        +1
        For these I can say for sure.
  15. Gardamir
    Gardamir 27 October 2019 15: 46
    -1
    Kolchakites of Russia, as well as Bandera of Ukraine, hate everything Soviet
  16. Gardamir
    Gardamir 27 October 2019 16: 04
    -1
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Quote: seti
    A country without history does not have a right to exist.


    I hope you understand that your quote applies to any country?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 27 October 2019 17: 47
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      I hope you understand that your quote applies to any country?

      We are talking about the outskirts
  17. Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 27 October 2019 16: 07
    +4
    They hate the Soviet, but they love the lands that the Soviets gave them, factories, enterprises, design bureaus, institutes, weapons and equipment. And they do not experience any dissonance.
  18. anjey
    anjey 27 October 2019 16: 35
    +1
    It’s a pity that Ukraine today is a country where
    D / b and anti-Soviet Russophobes in power ....
  19. Vladimir_6
    Vladimir_6 27 October 2019 16: 42
    +1
    Quote: Greg Miller
    In 2014, simultaneously with Crimea, it was necessary to solve the problem of the existence of this openly hostile state of Russia ...

    How? Declare war and occupy the country? The collapse of the USSR did not begin in Ukraine.
    On August 6, 1990, 29 years ago, the head of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR Boris Yeltsin, speaking in Kazan, uttered a textbook phrase: "Take as much sovereignty as you can swallow."
    So the "comrades" took it. Only the sovereignty of Ukraine is now in the hands of foreigners, for whom the USSR is a nightmare.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 October 2019 19: 00
      -2
      In Ukraine, this nationalist theme began to take shape in the 30s and slowly but covertly spun, in the 80s these guys started to crawl out, and in 2014 they crawled out and took power completely.
      1. George63
        George63 28 October 2019 00: 22
        +2
        Why then is the president of Ukraine a Jew, and the nationalist candidate scored less than 5% in the election?
        Why is the country trying desperately to join the EU, which crushes nationalists?
        Why did the Kiev government support gay parades, and the nationalists who tried, by the way, to stop this disgrace, were beaten by democratizers?
        Do not have illusions about Ukrainian followers of the OUN and UPA. They were used as a real fighting force, and then pushed into a corner.
  20. Klingon
    Klingon 27 October 2019 19: 16
    +1
    Quote: Kasym
    I have two tracksuits with the symbols of the USSR. So the son wears one. A friend of my friend took a picture of me because of this symbolism, saying that it is cool now. hi

    I live in Germany. He gave his son in DR a T-shirt where a photograph of hoisting the Soviet Flag over the Reichstag)) wears with pleasure. by the way, we have our immortal regiment here on May 9, even a consul from Bern arrives
  21. monah
    monah 27 October 2019 20: 24
    0
    The most interesting thing is that no scandal is gaining momentum! Drum everyone! There is a law signed by Poroshenko and it is in effect! And already admitted guilt and received a conditional year
    Sent a message and complete silence!
  22. Klingon
    Klingon 27 October 2019 21: 41
    +1
    Quote: Klingon
    Quote: Kasym
    I have two tracksuits with the symbols of the USSR. So the son wears one. A friend of my friend took a picture of me because of this symbolism, saying that it is cool now. hi

    I live in Germany. He gave his son in DR a T-shirt where a photograph of hoisting the Soviet Flag over the Reichstag)) wears with pleasure. by the way, we have our immortal regiment here on May 9, even a consul from Bern arrives

    and some X ** (cake, radish) minus set,
    what kind of perverse logic ??
  23. APASUS
    APASUS 27 October 2019 21: 52
    0
    Guys, I apologize to everyone whom I offended, I accidentally got to the page of the chela who writes 2712019 on my behalf, I stop broadcasting on my behalf
  24. Apollinaria
    Apollinaria 27 October 2019 22: 41
    +2
    DZERZHINSKY !!!!! Krivoy Rog district court - rather, the court itself should be brought in for its Soviet name ... by some Lenin court of Nikolaev.
  25. George63
    George63 28 October 2019 00: 18
    +1
    On the one hand, I don’t seem to mind. I can not stand commies.
    But on the other, I understand that this
    a) oppression of human rights and freedoms
    b) the struggle with the common past of Russians, both hacking and not hacking
  26. maidan.izrailovich
    maidan.izrailovich 28 October 2019 05: 04
    +1
    Kryvyi Rih is a city founded by Russians in 1775. The city was actively inhabited by local Little Russian Jews. Therefore, by 1860, the main population of the city was Jews.
    Since the beginning of iron ore mining in 1881, the city has experienced an economic boom, and its population has been growing rapidly. The beginning of iron ore production was laid by Alexander Nikolayevich Paul. It is from this period that the ethnic composition of the town changes. Many Poles appear in it, Russians from Kiev, Kursk, Oryol provinces.
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кривой_Рог#История
    They did not even hear about any "Ukrainians" then.
  27. Karaul14
    Karaul14 28 October 2019 07: 09
    +1
    Have you ever wondered what you would do in the USSR with a man in a T-shirt with the coat of arms of Ukraine, or Russia? The Communists are unhappy that they and their symbolism are forbidden, that their monuments are demolished, but they themselves acted not only by similar, but even more malicious methods.

    And the criminal offense, even conditional, for the emblem of the USSR is of course too much, I agree.
  28. Elephant
    Elephant 28 October 2019 11: 11
    0
    Still cowards in the Ukrainian Wehrmacht would be checked
  29. Looking for
    Looking for 28 October 2019 17: 07
    0
    Quote: lexus
    And do not care about prohibitions and prohibitions, no matter who they are.
    Reply

    it’s painful to speak bold from Russia. And you try to spit in the Nazi state.