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Russia's return to Africa: geopolitical “PR action” or long-term policy?

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On October 23-24 in Sochi, a two-day summit and the Russia-Africa economic forum were held. The event was co-chaired by Russia and Egypt. The forum was attended by delegates from 104 countries, including the heads of 44 African countries.




Dispute about twenty billion


The forum was widely broadcast by Russian television. Representatives of the liberal public reacted especially vigorously to him. Most often, they suffered from the fact that Russia is drowning in poverty, and the authorities are looking for happiness in Africa for commercial companies close to them. In this regard, a statement was discussed at the forum of the President of Russia Vladimir Putin on writing off debts of 20 billions of US dollars to African countries.

It is amazing that “informed experts” spoke so actively today about the day before yesterday. news. Indeed, at a forum in Sochi, Vladimir Putin only repeated what he announced two years ago, in September 2017, after negotiations with Guinean President Alpha Conde.

Then Putin said that as part of a global initiative to help the poorest heavily indebted countries, Russia has written off debts to the states of the African continent totaling about $ 20 billion. The write-off affected a large group of countries - Zambia, Mozambique, Guinea-Bissau, Tanzania, Equatorial Guinea, Sao Tome and Principe, Madagascar and others. Each of them accounted for not so much, if you look at the background of other similar actions, when, for example, Cuba forgave $ 35,3 billion in debt, Iraq - in 12,9, North Korea and Mongolia for $ 11bn., Vietnam - $ 9,5 billion, etc.

So Russia wrote off loans granted to developing countries by the Soviet Union. At the beginning of the 90s, there were about $ 150 billion of them (according to Alexander Shokhin, who was then deputy prime minister). There are several motivations for writing off debts. Firstly, loans for which already outdated military equipment was delivered (for example, Tanks T-34, T-54-55), unclaimed in the Soviet Armed Forces. Secondly, the so-called “dead debts” were written off, that is, those for which there were no real prospects for repayment.

Finally, the cancellation of Soviet debts in some countries opened up new opportunities for Russia to further trade cooperation. So it was with Algeria, which in the 2006 year was completely written off the Soviet debt of $ 5,7 billion and immediately signed a contract for 7,5 billion dollars to buy Russian military equipment. Similar история occurred with other solvent countries in Africa.

There was another reason for Russia's participation in world initiatives to write off debts to the poorest countries of the planet - membership in the famous Paris Club of creditor countries (the highest class of economic powers of the world, consisting of 21 states). The status of the club implies unconditional participation in periodic actions to restructure the debt of developing countries. Russia must also comply with this high status.



What did liberal political scientists not see?


Even liberal Russian political scientists know about this feature of writing off “dead debts”. True, they interpret it in a very different way. Here is an assistant professor of the Department of Oriental Studies and African Studies at the Higher School of Economics in St. Petersburg, Leonid Isaev, in an interview with German DW, assessed the results of the Russia-Africa forum ended as follows:
“This is a geopolitical PR campaign ... another signal for the Russian population: we continue to return, we continue to return our lost ground. All this fits into the logic that began during President Putin’s third term. ”


Associate Professor Isaev does not believe that Russia can return to Africa.

“We have a trade turnover with all of Africa a little more than 20 billion dollars, of which much more than half falls on Egypt and other countries in North Africa ... The audience expects us to propose some kind of our long-term strategy in Africa. But so far no one has formulated this strategy in our country and no long-term vision exists regarding Africa. ”


Formally, the assistant professor Isaev is right. There is no nature document about such a strategy developed by the government and approved by the State Duma. However, one cannot fail to see the work that the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs conducted in the African direction over the past two years.

Already at the beginning of 2017, when US Secretary of State Kerry, a note-taking interlocutor of Minister Lavrov, resigned on the Smolenskaya Square in Moscow, the heads of African foreign affairs agencies frequented. The protocol press conferences following the talks reflected the clear interest of the guests from Africa in cooperation with Moscow.

There are two reasons for this. By that time, Russia in Syria had shown that it was capable of almost single-handedly resolving regional conflicts (Africa is very rich in them), while at the same time behaving correctly and respectfully towards local leaders. The second reason was the decline in interest of the American administration in the problems of the African continent.

In August last year, the New York Times noted that the US was beginning to withdraw troops and reduce operations in Africa. And this September, in his address to the UN General Assembly, US President Donald Trump did not mention Africa at all, as if Washington were not interested in its problems.

In Africa, Trump’s “unequivocal signal” was understood correctly and moved in friendly ranks to Putin in Sochi. Former United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs James John after the Russia-Africa forum noted that expanding ties with Russia means greater flexibility for African states seeking new economic, military and political partnerships.



Africa is booming


The base for this is already there. Incidentally, in many respects it was created in Soviet times, which is now so abused for African debts. And there was not only the economy. In Africa, they did not forget how, in 1960, despite the stiff resistance of “Western democracies”, the Soviet Union achieved the adoption of the UN Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples. With its help, African countries have gained the long-awaited freedom.

Naturally, it was with the Soviet Union that free Africa began to develop political, economic and cultural cooperation. About half a million Africans have received education and training in USSR universities. On the blackest continent, the Soviet Union created 10 higher education institutions and 80 secondary and vocational schools.

No less important was Soviet economic assistance. The USSR built 300 industrial enterprises in Africa, 155 agricultural enterprises, and actively exported its products to the continent. Note that in the export structure, almost a third was accounted for by machinery and equipment, almost a fifth of Soviet deliveries were industrial goods. Ready-made foods, pulp and paper products, etc., went to Africa. In short, high-value-added products, which Russia is now striving for.

Today Africa (especially the sub-Saharan Africa) is developing rapidly. Eight countries here have GDP growth comparable to Chinese, and in Guinea and Rwanda the economy grew by 8,7% last year. Such growth requires resources. They come, including from Russia. Over the past five years, our trade with the continent has doubled and, as already noted, has exceeded the mark of $ 20 billion.

Moreover, in the structure of Russian exports to Africa, 91% are non-commodity goods. The African Institute of the RAS made calculations for the development of economic cooperation after the forum in Sochi. In the next five to seven years, trade with Africa is expected to grow by another $ 17-18 billion.

Unlike Associate Professor Isaev, the British "The Times" believes that Russia has already returned to Africa and confirms its conclusion with quite obvious figures. “Last year,” the newspaper writes, “Moscow entered into military agreements with at least 20 countries south of the Sahara. Rosoboronexport currently accounts for 35% of shipments weapons in Africa".

We add that eight African countries have signed an atomic cooperation agreement with Russia (they expect to build nuclear power plants in the future). The Russians are helping the authorities in the diamond-rich Central African Republic overcome the civil conflict, supporting the legitimate government of Mozambique in the fight against jihadists in the northern province of Cabo Delgado. The plans of military-technical cooperation with Russia were announced by the authorities of Nigeria.

In this series, the message of the Defense Web news portal of the South African military department that the last week of November in the waters of South Africa will be held joint naval exercises of three countries - Russia, China and South Africa.

In a word, Russia in Africa is establishing long-term, multilateral cooperation. It should bring the country benefits not only economic, but also political. The forum in Sochi showed that the countries of the continent are ready for such a development of events.
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  1. Artavazdych
    Artavazdych 28 October 2019 15: 09
    -3
    The reason is commonplace. It is necessary to assimilate the Russian ethnic group first with the help of Asians, but to be sure - African migrants to help! All means in business.
    1. Edik
      Edik 28 October 2019 15: 26
      -4
      Quote: Artavazdych
      The reason is commonplace.

      Africa is a market, and it is promising and rapidly developing! You should not slow down in such matters, especially when there are many years of communication!
      1. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 28 October 2019 15: 31
        +31
        Well, yes, because the Russian market is unpromising. You can not invest in it - it will cause inflation. We know, read.
        1. Edik
          Edik 28 October 2019 15: 37
          -15
          Quote: Artavazdych
          Well, yes, because the Russian market is unpromising. You can not invest in it - it will cause inflation. We know, read.

          If you are about to print and give out, judging by the presence of inflation in your comment, then yes, do not do this. Africa is a billion people market !!
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 28 October 2019 15: 44
            +12
            Quote: Edik
            Quote: Artavazdych
            Well, yes, because the Russian market is unpromising. You can not invest in it - it will cause inflation. We know, read.

            If you are about to print and give out, judging by the presence of inflation in your comment, then yes, do not do this. Africa is a billion people market !!

            Not bad Edik hi
          2. Artavazdych
            Artavazdych 28 October 2019 15: 56
            +24
            I'm not about to print and give out. I am about the development of the real sector. But it is developing simultaneously with the growth of the money supply. More goods - more money. For money is a paper (electronic) equivalent of an economy. And they are rubbing me from the screens that the profit should not be invested in development, but in overseas capsules.
            In China, in the nineties-zero money supply growth was thousands of percent. Something this did not cause inflation, but industrial growth. production.
            1. Edik
              Edik 28 October 2019 16: 06
              -13
              Quote: Artavazdych
              And they are rubbing me from the screens that the profit should not be invested in development, but in overseas capsules.

              This has already been written and reported to VO a hundred times! Basically, these capsules are needed for unforeseen cases, which are not well-foreseen, they can not always be foreseen, yes the country must have economic stability! Well, to work in foreign markets, where not all rubles are accepted for payment, a financial tool, so to speak!
              Quote: Artavazdych
              In China, in the nineties-zero money supply growth was thousands of percent. Something this did not cause inflation, but industrial growth. production.

              Do not confuse corporations with China with their money.
            2. Edik
              Edik 28 October 2019 17: 15
              0
              Quote: Artavazdych
              But it is developing simultaneously with the growth of the money supply. More goods - more money.

              This is a mistake! In parallel with the growth of the money supply, inflation will increase, well after some time yesThe right monetary policy, money = the size of the economy.
              1. Artavazdych
                Artavazdych 28 October 2019 17: 18
                +1
                I'm not special. But in theory, money is a little more. The economy will win back later.
                1. Edik
                  Edik 28 October 2019 17: 24
                  0
                  Quote: Artavazdych
                  I'm not special. But in theory, money is a little more. The economy will win back later.

                  We’ll say this is a loaf of bread (goods), if you add money to the economy (goods) it will cost more (goods), this is inflation because there will be more money than goods! At first the economy grows, and only then imitate it money.
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 28 October 2019 19: 24
                    +3
                    Quote: Edik
                    First, the economy is growing, and only then money is simulated for it.
                    They want like the US - "but money - go ahead!"
          3. Leshy1975
            Leshy1975 28 October 2019 16: 27
            +11
            Quote: Edik
            Quote: Artavazdych
            Well, yes, because the Russian market is unpromising. You can not invest in it - it will cause inflation. We know, read.

            If you are about to print and give out, judging by the presence of inflation in your comment, then yes, do not do this. Africa is a billion people market !!

            If such a tasty market is in those countries, then why are we writing off their debts? Or is it so "attractive market" that these countries have no money at all? laughing And then what guarantees that these will not have to be written off.

            PS We (with my brother) have a market (i.e. families), of course, not large, well, the order of numbers is completely different and we also ask Mr. Putin to forgive our families loans (on mortgages), because already bothered, and still pay and pay. Well, what should I do for this, smeared with shoe polish?
            1. SOVIET UNION 2
              SOVIET UNION 2 28 October 2019 19: 25
              +3
              If such a tasty market is in those countries, then why are we writing off their debts? Or is it so "attractive market" that these countries have no money at all? laughing And then what guarantees that these will not have to be written off.
              This is elementary Watson! Look wider! They could not conclude new contracts because of debts. Debts written off and did a good deed. Who is against good? And what do we have from this? And we have political influence and votes in the UN. Is that all? We have new contracts. What do we need ?! But contracts for the purchase of our products. So what? And these are jobs and salaries in Russia. In fact, money is invested in Russia, not in securities. Did you have to invest in financial bubbles? It is expected that production growth will be discussed for a quarter of a century! Now the task is to run the distance along which we walked a quarter of a century, in two or three years! Why two or three years? This year, Putin turned 67. Up to 70, a positive mark on history must be left. Which country he took, which he left. Finally, at least they made the right move!
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 28 October 2019 20: 08
                +3
                Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                Debts written off and did a good deed.

                and again lent
                Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                Who is against good?

                why to the detriment of their country? Putin gave loans at 34 billion S
                1. SOVIET UNION 2
                  SOVIET UNION 2 28 October 2019 20: 18
                  +2
                  Why to the detriment of their country? Is money for the production of goods of your country a damage? What is the best way to invest in different funds? 34 billion: is it bad to invest in production? Moreover, their uncle will give them away. Or loans at 30% better?
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 28 October 2019 20: 37
                    +3
                    Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                    Is money for the production of goods of your country a damage?

                    Because the state will pay for the supplied equipment to real manufacturers, and African countries will again owe it. But this money could not "improve" the economy of foreign countries, but develop their own. And after 30 years they will again be written off as irrevocable.
                    In fact, the casket simply opens with debts - the IMF does not give loans to the state with debts. And our government constantly dances to the tune of the IMF (see. Shadow government).
                    1. SOVIET UNION 2
                      SOVIET UNION 2 28 October 2019 20: 45
                      -3
                      And it never occurred to me that loans to them, is it financing us? Yes, do not care about their duty. Money will go to us. Well, it seems not only the IMF has such a rule. This is a general loan rule. In this case, in my opinion, our government has made the right move. It is a pity that they dragged on with such moves for a long time.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 28 October 2019 20: 50
                        +7
                        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                        And it never occurred to me that loans to them, is it financing us?

                        Have you ever heard of logic? Based on your judgment, Sberbank should forgive me the mortgage so that I would again take a loan from them! laughing
                        Have you tried to think?
                      2. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 28 October 2019 20: 57
                        -6
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Sberbank must forgive me a mortgage so that I could take a loan from them again

                        You, except for the old six and the apartment from which you (according to our extremely inhumane legislation. All of you are harmful, specially) cannot be evicted - there is no longer any security for this loan no.

                        For countries that have written off debts to the Union - there is such security.

                        Feel the difference. Economist, damn it, diploma laughing
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 28 October 2019 21: 20
                        +2
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        You, in addition to the old six and the apartment from which you are (according to our extremely inhumane legislation.

                        I am Kisa, created and grove five future taxpayers who will really work in this country.
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Countries that have written off debts to the Union have such security.

                        So what did they not repay the old debts with such security? wink
                      4. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 28 October 2019 21: 35
                        -10
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        I'm pussycat

                        Very nice. Golovan hi

                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        created and a grove of five future taxpayers

                        Well, even an amoeba has a reproductive instinct ... but who you grow up there is, as they say, "an autopsy will show." It seems to me that more whiners than workers ... well, in the image and likeness, like wink

                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        who will really work in this country

                        Just like yourself? You are our taxpayer laughing

                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        So what did they not repay the old debts with such security?

                        You bought your economics diploma, camping trip ... cheaply. You should answer such questions, but not me. You are our economist, with a bias in ... well, you understand yes
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                      6. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 29 October 2019 12: 28
                        -6
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        I repeat for the "especially gifted"

                        Yes, at least repeat.

                        I work legally, "white". And taxes from me - more than your salary, "black". Here is the whole vegetable for you.

                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        And it pleases. wassat

                        Nude ...
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                      8. Shender
                        Shender 29 October 2019 18: 12
                        +2
                        You rarely see a person studying the works of G. Klimov. And what works of the author are you familiar with?
                      9. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 29 October 2019 20: 46
                        -5
                        God's people, Prince of this world. Now Klimov really began to read less often, but it's a pity. Such a tool gives, you wonder how easy the essence of evil is revealed.
                      10. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 28 October 2019 23: 29
                        -1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        I am Kisa, created and grove five future taxpayers,

                        Как grove of 5 trees can become taxpayers ?! request belay
                      11. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 29 October 2019 07: 08
                        -3
                        I understand that you called my children trees? Yeah, your human qualities are below the plinth.
                      12. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 29 October 2019 10: 35
                        +5
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        I understand that you called my children trees?

                        You hit me more and more ... request Themselves wrote about "grove", and the arrows translate to me. I just asked that question ... request You are like England with the Skripals. feel
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Yeah, your human qualities are below the plinth.

                        Why at least?
                      13. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 29 October 2019 12: 29
                        +2
                        Tank, hi

                        Well, a man confuses letters ... it happens laughing
                      14. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 29 October 2019 12: 36
                        +5
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Well, a man confuses letters ... it happens

                        hi Jack.
                        What is, that is ... The great ones, such - they don’t notice the little things ... request
                      15. Karen
                        Karen 30 October 2019 10: 54
                        -5
                        Tank hard, it would be worth apologizing to a man ...
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                      17. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 29 October 2019 08: 48
                        -5
                        Yes, what to identify them, they are here in one gang. And I oppose so as not to relax, and others do not powder their brains.
                      18. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 2 November 2019 08: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        ... I oppose so as not to relax ...

                        Eh ... only your opponent is like a punching bag - a sparring partner ... "Ingvar" laughing
                      19. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 2 November 2019 09: 36
                        -4
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Mdya ... only here is the opponent of you - like a punching bag - a sparring partner ..

                        Kitty said, hitting the pear for the hundredth time with his head ........ lol
                      20. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 2 November 2019 09: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        hitting a pear for the hundredth time with his head ...

                        The sad fact is that you don’t need a head for a dialogue with you ... for example, instincts are mainly arms and legs. Pussycat laughing
                      21. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 2 November 2019 12: 17
                        -5
                        Kitty, you need a head, but you just don’t know how to use it.
                      22. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 2 November 2019 13: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        you just don’t know how to use it

                        If in pro "to beat her pear" - yes, I do not know how.

                        Kitty, I’m paid for this head. And to her, and to money, by the way, I am responsible for what is done by me - it works.

                        But plumbers don't need it request
                      23. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 2 November 2019 16: 43
                        -5
                        If at work so smart, why are you so stupid here? wink Comments are completely meaningless, and not tied to the topic.
                      24. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 2 November 2019 17: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Comments are completely meaningless, and not tied to the topic

                        Your call is very important to us ... wait, they will answer you ... in a while (c) laughing
                      25. SOVIET UNION 2
                        SOVIET UNION 2 29 October 2019 06: 36
                        0
                        So I just very well understand the meaning of such a move. And many cannot figure out that twice two will be four. Think carefully about the benefits that Russia will have from this. hi Read my comments on this topic. hi
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                      27. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 28 October 2019 21: 24
                        +4
                        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                        And it never occurred to me that loans to them, is it financing us? Yes, do not care about their duty. Money will go to us.

                        It turns out, we will give them a loan, with this money they will buy galoshes from us, and then we can forgive them this debt to them? Like a fish needs a bicycle?
                      28. protoss
                        protoss 29 October 2019 09: 48
                        0
                        with that logic, your beloved Soviet Union went bankrupt. Arabs / Negroes keep us for suckers, from which you can receive money for thanks and a couple of handshakes to get for free.
                        Putin's vanity and self-admiration allow "foreign partners" to breed him well.
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 28 October 2019 21: 22
              -4
              Leshy1975 Never be humbled, do not be afraid and do not ask, especially from Mr. Putin.
          4. Lbt21
            Lbt21 28 October 2019 16: 49
            +15
            It is a pity we have not a billion people. Yes, and those that are following your logic are subhuman since you can not invest in your people and the infrastructure of your country!
            1. Leshy1975
              Leshy1975 28 October 2019 16: 53
              +2
              Quote: Lbt21
              It is a pity we have not a billion people. Yes, and those that are following your logic are subhuman since you can not invest in your people and the infrastructure of your country!

              Moreover, it is under the current leadership that the indigenous population of Russia is dying off at such a rate that even the influx of migrants no longer covers the decrease in numbers.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 28 October 2019 17: 03
              -8
              Every year in the form of 17 trillion budget rubles are invested in the economy. social network, defense infrastructure, etc.
              1. Leshy1975
                Leshy1975 28 October 2019 17: 14
                +7
                Quote: Vadim237
                Every year in the form of 17 trillion budget rubles are invested in the economy. social network, defense infrastructure, etc.

                Yes, you can call this action of course as you like. And in fact, we have the result: an increase in the number of billionaires, by a strange coincidence close to Mr. P., and a long-term continued decline in the income of the bulk of citizens. And here comes the conclusion that there is a banal withdrawal of income from the population (using state-economic instruments) and their redistribution into the pockets of Mr. P.’s entourage
                (source forbes.ru) Rotenberg more: third family member became a billionaire. Forbes assessed the status of the co-owner Plato systems Igor Rotenberg in $ 1 billion

                PS Oh, we would have such a golden president as the Rotenbergs in Russia. wassat
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 28 October 2019 18: 03
                  -16
                  "And in fact we have the result: an increase in the number of billionaires, by a strange coincidence close to Mr. P". And not only him, we also have a lot of billionaires in the IT sphere, as well as Internet commerce - And do you personally have their money interfering with your life, or did they not pay you something? Or maybe envy takes - "They have, but I do not"
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 28 October 2019 21: 13
                    -1
                    Vadim237 (Vadim) You surprised me in a couple of days, Vadim, several times already good Is it really all the same that the doctrine of prosperous non-shift has come down to ...,. mmm ..., well, this one, how is it, Capital? You grow (grow) in my eyes, which is important hi
                2. Karen
                  Karen 30 October 2019 15: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Leshy1975
                  PS Oh, we would have such a golden president as the Rotenbergs in Russia.

                  Leshiy1975, so for that, a century ago, the Rotenbergs overthrew the Russian government so that their descendants would boss ...
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 28 October 2019 20: 09
                +6
                Quote: Vadim237
                Every year in the form of 17 trillion budget rubles are invested in the economy. social network, defense infrastructure, etc.

                but no sense! not horse feed, and maybe the horse is not fed?
              3. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 28 October 2019 20: 40
                +4
                Quote: Vadim237
                Every year in the form of 17 trillion budget rubles are invested in the economy. social network, defense infrastructure, etc.

                And how much is going in taxes? wink
                In 2018, the budget received a record amount of 21,3 trillion rubles, which is 2017 percent or 23 trillion rubles more than 4. This was announced by Mikhail Mishustin - head of the Federal Tax Service.
                Where are the remaining 4.3 trillion? laughing
                And there is still oil and gas, supposedly the property of the people.
                I’m looking at you, Vadik, and I won’t cease to be amazed - when you get 30 pieces of silver for public relations, corny spoil your karma. Have you thought about this?
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 29 October 2019 19: 48
                  +1
                  I don't get anything from the authorities - but you can scold anyone and as much as you like, "They say they are to blame that everything sucks" - well, so that you don't notice yourself in shit.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 29 October 2019 20: 07
                    -1
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    Well, that would not notice himself in shit.

                    I don’t know how you are Vadik, but I'm not in shit. But I'm not blind, so as not to notice that the country's economy is quietly degrading. However, like social programs, education, medicine, housing and communal services.
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    Probably in the gold reserves and the national welfare fund,

                    The fund is growing from year to year, and national wealth is falling. Money should work Vadik, it is strange that you are an entrepreneur, you do not understand this. Moreover, to work within the country, and not to lie at interest, in rare cases exceeding inflation, or work for other economies.
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 29 October 2019 19: 55
                  +1
                  Probably in the gold reserves and in the national welfare fund, which until 2018 was almost eaten up for the 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th year.
              4. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 28 October 2019 21: 19
                0
                Vadim237 (Vadim) Ah, well, yes, the social program is already bursting from entih denehh ... But I still think why I pay 5 tyrov every month of the Criminal Code and I give 3 and 2 more for the younger son to school !!! Everything, Vadim, Kharosh, from tomorrow I will only marry the prosecutor good
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 29 October 2019 19: 51
                  +1
                  There are millions of people like you in Russia and everyone needs something from the state - the state is limited to paying the optimum, but it is not enough for everyone and will not be enough for a long time.
            3. SOVIET UNION 2
              SOVIET UNION 2 28 October 2019 19: 40
              -4
              If we had a billion people, what would change? If we have a commodity economy! Who pays a girl dances with her! And our comments do not affect the economic course at all! Everyone wants to industrialize Russia, but they cannot influence in any way! But our desires were fulfilled by the Africans! They forced the Russian government to turn towards industrialization! No? Our raw material clan rules! Yes it is. But for admission to the raw materials of Africa, the Africans set a condition for the supply of manufactured goods! And for this it is necessary to carry out industrialization! Like this! Blacks raise the Russian economy !!! What dear Russians could not, Africans could! At least we will do something under the requests of the Africans. Under the requests of Europeans, we only supplied raw materials. and even then, they kicked. clearly in order to reduce the cost of supply!
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 28 October 2019 21: 07
                +2
                SOVIET UNION 2 Listen, I’m sculpting your advantages, purely because of the avatar and nostalgia! You’ll carry the blizzard, it’s better to go to the hair dryer yourself and put on the avatar Ragozin, the captain general of the grenadier regiment of the underwater division of the plastons of the armored corps of the air-submarine forces under the commandant’s command of the Special Forces Air Force and the named after Petrov and Vasechkin. fellow
                1. SOVIET UNION 2
                  SOVIET UNION 2 29 October 2019 06: 30
                  +2
                  Sling cutter, sorry! But many simply do not catch up with the essence of the matter. These loans will go to stimulate their production. After all, there will be deliveries of our products. What is so hard to understand! Africans will not see this money in their eyes. The sense that the Ukrainians have spat on at one time. They took the money and said we still owe them. This is not necessary to do (in the sense of giving money). yes
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 29 October 2019 11: 18
                    -1
                    SOVIET UNION 2 (SOVIET UNION) And what products can we still produce?
                    1. SOVIET UNION 2
                      SOVIET UNION 2 29 October 2019 20: 32
                      +1
                      Understand! Question with a sneak! What do we produce if more than half the export of raw materials !? I do not know what Africans want to buy from Russia. But they found something. Let our assembly of Chinese components, but found! Nuclear-powered icebreakers of course didn’t rest against one place. But nuclear power plants may be bought. Then someone from our government wanted to increase shipbuilding exports. The field for activity is open. Maybe helicopters and planes go. If you look at the question more deeply, then the Africans are fed up with the hell out of state monopoly. They want to increase the range of offers. Maybe they want defense industry products. But it's not that. Our proposal was made to do industrial production. Although ours rested that we are behind and uncompetitive. But our product also found customers. We were told: You are guided by gentlemen. But we do not need bourgeois goods. We need goods for the people! All! Have sailed! Africa does not need oil and gas. It’s warm there! Now the retaliatory move is for our oligarchs. Putin gives the loot! Really gives! Maybe this is the answer to the raw clan. I do not know. hi
          5. New Year day
            New Year day 28 October 2019 20: 05
            +5
            Quote: Edik
            Africa is a billion people market !!

            and Russia is a market for 146 781 095 people. which is much easier, restore order in the house, but no, it pulls to Africa
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 28 October 2019 20: 54
              -2
              Silvestr (SylvesterDuc, we don’t have such a payroll! That aunt was fired, which, according to the registry office, spoke of some 90 million skrepostants and this is for 2010.
          6. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
            evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 28 October 2019 20: 30
            +7
            Which ,, market ,, what ,, Africa ,,? ! It would be better if the country of Russia helped. That state that now ,, rules, on its territory. It confidently leads the country to disaster. There are no real OFFICERS, i.e. In fact, there is no full-fledged state STRUCTURE. How will this be managed in case of force majeure? ... They can’t deal with garbage collection, they can’t cope with fires and floods in PEACEFUL time! Dispatcher girls can handle the transfer of trains along the PRIVATE railway, which is served by the PRIVATE depots? Crazy schemes have been built to enrich the wise fools ... And SENSE? What is the meaning of this state? (Not to be confused with country RUSSIA) Growing dollar rich with foreign citizenship? Does that make sense? ! Pokatushki on the necks ,, dear Russians ,,? Is this the meaning?! Who will be stubbornly defending this, office, dodgers? ,, For Rotenberg! ,, - the attackers shouted frantically ... AND LEVEL .... ,, Overslept, guys, there was no time for them. A completely different LEVEL in the aircraft industry, in the automotive industry, in shipbuilding .... Another level in the construction of aircraft in serious states. And we have? And we all, tapiki, wind up and boast about the achievements of the past era, the era of the socialist state of the USSR. Do you think that Africans do not see this, do not know, do not feel? EMPTY ,, for the soul ,,, I think, can be caught by both European and African, and anyone ... Any person
            1. Harry.km
              Harry.km 28 October 2019 22: 12
              -3
              Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
              Will the dispatcher girls cope with the transfer of trains on the PRIVATE railway, which is serviced by the PRIVATE depots?

              Robot Fedya to help them and the articulated antilelect ...
          7. Pashhenko Nikolay
            Pashhenko Nikolay 29 October 2019 09: 12
            -3
            If the African market was as beautiful as you write, then the peddlers of democracies from there would long ago have not been expelled by a filthy broom.
        2. Sibiriya
          Sibiriya 28 October 2019 17: 20
          +5
          Well, yes, because the Russian market is unpromising. You can not invest in it - it will cause inflation. We know, read.

          The export of capital is needed for "our" benefactors, who care about the people. This is the main reason.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 28 October 2019 18: 06
            -6
            The export of capital is already a rather risky topic, they can arrest and squeeze into the lungs abroad, and they can also be imprisoned.
            1. Sibiriya
              Sibiriya 28 October 2019 18: 12
              +4
              We are talking about Africa and contracts, which implies certain guarantees. Do not confuse with Europe and the USA, and this is not about the level of gopniks hi
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 28 October 2019 20: 10
              -1
              Quote: Vadim237
              they can arrest and squeeze into the lungs abroad, and also put them in jail.

              is it papuans?
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 29 October 2019 19: 58
                +1
                In Popuassia, it will be possible to spend this exported money vryatli, and in order to transfer it to where you need to contact offshore companies, and there they will take the guys in a light pencil.
          2. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 28 October 2019 19: 44
            -10
            Well no! Then Africans, on the contrary, are forced to invest in Russia! Then a whip or a carrot appears. Do you want grandmas !? Invest in!
      2. Greg Miller
        Greg Miller 28 October 2019 16: 22
        +15
        Quote: Edik
        Quote: Artavazdych
        The reason is commonplace.

        Africa is a market, and it is promising and rapidly developing! You should not slow down in such matters, especially when there are many years of communication!

        Africa for the leadership of Russia is not a market, because Russian industry produces practically nothing and if Russia was interested in some kind of market, then first of all it should have returned its market to itself. Africa is a source of minerals that the Russian oligarchy wants to extract there. Those. Russia, as a state, must provide the oligarchy associated with Moscow with the opportunity to gut Africa’s natural resources. The division of labor will be as follows: Costs - Russia, Revenues - oligarchies ...
        1. Artavazdych
          Artavazdych 28 October 2019 16: 43
          -5
          I probably agree.
          There was a time when Russia could only export one "commodity". No matter how they treat him, but this is Orthodoxy. After all, both Papuans and Hawaiians asked for us. The Japanese Orthodox Church still honors Nicholas of Japan. One of the most numerous abroad. And if it were not for the war of 1904, it is not known how it would have been.
          The Papuans in the very wilderness of New Guinea still prostrate themselves at the word "Russian" and shout "Miklukha"!
          But then we did not want conflicts with the British.
      3. WIKI
        WIKI 28 October 2019 16: 55
        +6
        Quote: Edik
        Africa is a market, and a promising and rapidly developing one!

        Only different countries have a different approach to understanding this fact. If Russia is going to enter there with the help of Rosoboronexport, then this is the same rake that the USSR stepped on. “Smart Chinese invest in infrastructure, give loans - they have many not only African, but also Asian countries in bondage. Because these loans are very difficult to pay. But this is not the sale of military products, for which you will then receive a puff for your loan. infrastructure, which becomes your responsibility as a manager. You receive operational income from this. Well, can you do everything according to your mind? Maybe take an example from the great and mighty Chinese brothers who did not just give a loan, built at the expense of their Chinese construction companies, at the expense of Chinese technology, which was used to build these facilities.

        And then, if you are poor - well, say, Pakistan or Bangladesh - and couldn’t pay it off, you will lease these same Chinese people. And they receive operating income. This is a wise policy. Cynical, but wise.

        We, with a broad Russian soul: first a loan, then sold military equipment for this loan. And then, after 5-7 years, they spread their hands both with Cuba and with many countries.

        I have a stupid question - maybe we will stop the Russian national sport of stepping on a rake over and over again? "
        1. Edik
          Edik 28 October 2019 17: 01
          -7
          Quote: WIKI
          I have a stupid question - maybe we will stop the Russian national sport of stepping on a rake over and over again? "

          Well, in Libya they wanted to do that! Yes, there the USA saw the dictator.
        2. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 28 October 2019 19: 51
          -11
          What rake? Money will go to producers of goods! Such a free investment! Only Africans will pay. It's like they gave you money, but a neighbor pays! A nuclear power plant is like housing on a mortgage. You seem to live in it, but it's not yours. You are a tenant until you buy it. Everything will be there, chiki-chiki and without bunch-bunch! Where have you seen the good and disinterested bourgeois? Soros? Oh well! Kindness itself! But with far-reaching goals!
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 28 October 2019 20: 11
            +5
            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            Only Africans will pay.

            I would like to know - what? They could not repay the debts of the Union - "there is no money," they were written off. Now are we waiting for new debts?
            1. SOVIET UNION 2
              SOVIET UNION 2 28 October 2019 20: 21
              -10
              Here is the man! Yes, let them not give! Money then remained in the country! When investing in financial bubbles, this is normal! And when it’s bad in production! Well, we will buy bucks with this money. And they will lie. Is it more profitable?
              1. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi 28 October 2019 21: 09
                +2
                Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                Here is the man! Yes, let them not give! Money then remained in the country!

                Build at least a farm. Build a dairy herd. And hand out milk to the starving. Russian. Not only money, but also goods will remain in the country. And at the same time, palm imports will decrease, i.e. more money left.
                But it is possible to feed the hungry blacks, but the religion does not order the Russians.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 28 October 2019 21: 15
                  -1
                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  Build a dairy herd

                  Yes Easy! This is a matter of minutes! laughing

                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  And hand out milk to the starving. Russian

                  And the Germans? (c) "Brother".

                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  at the same time, palm imports will decline

                  Thickly involved, my applause ...

                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  it’s possible to feed hungry blacks, but religion doesn’t order Russians

                  Thick. Very thick negative
                2. SOVIET UNION 2
                  SOVIET UNION 2 29 October 2019 06: 43
                  +3
                  Based on the example of a dairy farm, we have! The state gives me money for the farm. Milk goes blacks, and they pay a loan for the farm. Everything that goes beyond the supply of blacks goes to the Russians. Everything is elementary Watson! I don’t spend a penny of my money on building a farm, equipment and a dairy herd and don’t pay any interest to the bank! Is it clear now!?
                  1. Lannan Shi
                    Lannan Shi 29 October 2019 10: 46
                    -3
                    Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                    Based on the example of a dairy farm, we have! The state gives me money for the farm. Milk goes blacks go, and they pay a loan for the farm

                    Who are they? Negros? Are you paying a loan? The option that Santa Claus, on New Year's Eve, will ship dollars, euros and Mongolian Tugriks by wagons directly to the basements of the central bank, and it looks more realistic. Even South Africa has short debts ranging from risky to trash, long ones ... Average debt growth, say in Central Africa, is 3,5% of GDP per year. Translating into Russian, they have no thoughts to return. They stupidly collect debts, and then, under cancellation, some very private individuals get preferences. For example, the right to sell something on newly received loans. Which again will be written off.
                    Everything is in chocolate. In addition to citizens of creditor countries. From their own pockets financing blacks, and especially cunning compatriots.
                    Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                    Everything that goes beyond the supply of blacks goes to the Russians.

                    What are the construction bills? Well, yes, this is Russian. There are no options.
                    Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                    I don’t spend a penny of my money on building a farm, equipment and a dairy herd and don’t pay any interest to the bank! Is it clear now!?

                    Of course it’s clear. I pay for you, from taxes. And you get the gesheft. What is incomprehensible here? On the example of Iraq, everything was intelligibly explained. When Russia wrote off 20+ yards of debt, and the contract for Kurna 2 received Alekperov.
                    1. SOVIET UNION 2
                      SOVIET UNION 2 29 October 2019 20: 05
                      +1
                      Dear woman! I understand that women are born actresses, investigators and scouts in one bottle! But! Look wider than your pocket and family. If Alekperov receives contracts, does he fulfill it in any mug? No! He hires people and pays them. Lannan Shi against the remuneration of workers? Which side are you on? Workers or bourgeois?
                      1. Lannan Shi
                        Lannan Shi 29 October 2019 21: 15
                        -4
                        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                        If Alekperov receives contracts, does he fulfill it in any mug?

                        Of course not. A dozen more Alekperchik caliber smaller.
                        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                        He hires people and pays them. Lannan Shi against the remuneration of workers?


                        Yes, I am against the fact that at my expense they pay all sorts of mario clemens and shafiks alvi. And actually the citizens of the Russian Federation among builders and workers of Kurna, about 0%.
                        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                        Which side are you on? Workers or bourgeois?

                        For you, this question does not arise. Alekperovs and clemens are obviously more important to you than Ivanovs and Peters.
                        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                        Look wider than your pocket and family.

                        In ... Finally got to the bottom. Sacrifice your family for the sake of Alekperov’s pocket. Sorry, but with stubborn Chubaisoids I have nothing to talk about.
                        Dixi.
                    2. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 29 October 2019 21: 47
                      0
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      On the example of Iraq, everything was intelligibly explained. When Russia wrote off 20+ yards of debt ...

                      $ 40 billion was written off to Iraq. But in 2004, the year.

                      Lukoil began working on Courne-2 in 2013 and 2014. Purely, as a refinement yes

                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      the actual citizens of the Russian Federation among builders and workers of Kurna, about 0%

                      Um ...

                      The Western Qurna-2 project is one of the most significant foreign assets of LUKOIL. During its implementation, the most advanced technologies and equipment are used, which require highly qualified personnel.

                      Both expats and the local population work on the project. Their tasks include control over the processes of construction, commissioning and commissioning of facilities, as well as ensuring their safe functioning in the future.

                      Our task is to provide the project with competent personnel throughout its implementation. We believe that our employees are the main asset of the company and the key to its success in the future.

                      You can join our team today by sending your resume to

                      [email protected]


                      Do not want to try? wink
    2. Berber
      Berber 28 October 2019 15: 53
      -9
      Do not carry the blizzard. Play the tanks.
      1. Edik
        Edik 28 October 2019 16: 08
        -5
        Quote: BerBer
        Do not carry the blizzard. Play the tanks.

        I don’t have to tell me what to do and I won’t tell you where you should go! drinks
        1. Berber
          Berber 28 October 2019 16: 09
          +2
          Sorry buddy, it wasn’t meant for you.
      2. Artavazdych
        Artavazdych 28 October 2019 16: 12
        +5
        Bash on bash. I will play tanks - you read, for example, Glazyev. Is coming?
        1. Berber
          Berber 28 October 2019 16: 22
          +5
          Yes, I am also not enthusiastic about the economic policies of our rulers. Only assimilation and where? This is a bit from a different area.
          1. Artavazdych
            Artavazdych 28 October 2019 16: 28
            +1
            I exaggerated a little. And on the other hand, why not? France has about 20 years left until total assimilation. We are maybe 50 years old. And if we climb into Africa, who will say 100% that there will be no consequences like in Europe?
            2 million migrants to cover labor shortages. Recently called. This figure scares me.
            1. Berber
              Berber 28 October 2019 16: 37
              +5
              The peak of tolerance has passed. A slide into nationalism is on the way. Yes, to be honest, the whole world is on the verge of great turbulence. Imagine what will happen if the "burghers" realize how they were deceived with this liberal idea. There will be little room for migrants in Europe. For Russia, the main thing is not to let itself be drawn into conflicts, to be above the fray.
              It's my opinion.
              In general, I am also a "tanker". soldier good
            2. SOVIET UNION 2
              SOVIET UNION 2 28 October 2019 19: 55
              -9
              Yeah! If we climb into Africa, then perhaps we will raise the economy of Russia and African countries. And there you look and all the Africans will reach their homeland. And Europe as a competitor to Russia will come kirdyk! Yes, Russia is starting to pursue a colonial policy as it was carried out by the countries of Europe. Industrial goods in exchange for raw materials. Or is it better to be a colony yourself?
              1. Harry.km
                Harry.km 28 October 2019 22: 20
                -2
                Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                And there you look and ...

                ... the first interplanetary chess tournament! )))
        2. Edik
          Edik 28 October 2019 16: 29
          -10
          Quote: Artavazdych
          e.g. Glazyev

          Glazyev represents someone’s interests, well, those who want to use this money and get fabulously enriched! But these people don’t give a damn. For the country to have a good economic start, the economy should be overdried! That is, the people will have to suffer, otherwise it’s not request
          1. Artavazdych
            Artavazdych 28 October 2019 16: 52
            +5
            I agree, if you "suffer" - then everyone!
            I will not say anything about the powers that be. Offices and offices with girls and boys breed like insects.
            1. Edik
              Edik 28 October 2019 16: 54
              -2
              Quote: Artavazdych
              I agree, if you "suffer" - then everyone!
              I will not say anything about the powers that be. Offices and offices with girls and boys breed like insects.

              They also suffer, but in a different way. laughing
              1. Artavazdych
                Artavazdych 28 October 2019 16: 57
                +2
                I know some who get pleasure)
        3. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 28 October 2019 20: 51
          -6
          Artavazdych (Victor) Why is there a clever eye? How do we live karasho? iiiii?
    3. snake
      snake 29 October 2019 12: 49
      -1
      The write-off affected a large group of countries - Zambia, Mozambique, Guinea-Bissau, Tanzania, Equatorial Guinea, Sao Tome and Principe, Madagascar

      By the way, a good half of the listed minimum wage countries are larger than Russian. With certain reservations, of course, but still ...
      And so, nothing new. We described the pension reform in paints as useful and beautiful as it is. They would introduce serfdom, and here would find conditional Granovsky, who would quickly scatter why this is good, and what a far-sighted ruler we have. There’s an excess of pro-Kremlin propagandists.
  2. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 28 October 2019 15: 14
    +15
    The king’s father, on the side, is looking for happiness and recognition. But why is it at my expense, at the expense of my children and their well-being?
    1. Edik
      Edik 28 October 2019 15: 32
      -14
      Quote: 7,62x54
      But why is it at my expense, at the expense of my children and their well-being?

      Sorry 7,62x54 for any special?
      1. 7,62x54
        7,62x54 28 October 2019 15: 49
        +2
        You, Edzik, do not rank me as your special ones. I am normal, I love women. I don’t look at the special ones.
        1. Edik
          Edik 28 October 2019 15: 56
          -12
          Quote: 7,62x54
          You, Edzik, do not rank me as your special ones. I am normal, I love women. I don’t look at the special ones.

          Well, if you are not special 7,62x54, then you are an ordinary citizen of our common country! Why exactly your money should not participate in this, but I don’t mind that my participation laughing Russia is a common country and someone should do the development of the country's prospects! If you are doing this, I’m not sure that Russia will last long.
          1. 7,62x54
            7,62x54 28 October 2019 16: 16
            +5
            Yes, fortunately for Russia there are more normal citizens than special people like you.
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            1. Edik
              Edik 28 October 2019 17: 44
              -1
              Quote: Hindu
              On VO fresh kremlebot ...

              Before you write, think about it! Why would the government pay some Kremlin bots if they have the Russian Guard? wassat Watch carefully; DO NOT GET THE BRAIN RIP.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 28 October 2019 20: 14
                -3
                Quote: Edik
                if they have a Rosguard?

                she is poorly fed
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 28 October 2019 20: 36
                  -2
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  she is poorly fed

                  A sample was taken from the boiler, no way? wink
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 28 October 2019 20: 58
                    -3
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    A sample was taken from the boiler, no way?

                    The bulk-pedal chewed everything for a long time, with documents, and Zolotov instead of refuting some sort of nonsense about a duel in response to a problem.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 28 October 2019 20: 59
                      -1
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Naval pedal ...

                      Somehow there is no trust in him. And do you have? wink

                      So you also didn’t take a test? Then why translate the words in vain?
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 28 October 2019 21: 16
                        -2
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Somehow there is no trust in him. And do you have?

                        Such documents were presented on procurement, with seals and signatures. If this is fake, then we have an article for it. But no one filed a lawsuit against Pedalny! And he didn’t catch him in a lie. wink
                      2. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 28 October 2019 21: 20
                        -2
                        You have trouble with logic.

                        Quote: Silvestr
                        she is poorly fed

                        It's about Rosguard, yes.

                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Procurement documents presented, with stamps and signatures

                        About what is supposedly "exorbitant".

                        This does not mean that they are "poorly fed". Buddy wink
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 28 October 2019 21: 24
                        -1
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        This does not mean that "poorly fed

                        Do you agree to dine at the state-of-the-art cafe at restaurant prices?
                      4. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 28 October 2019 21: 40
                        -6
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Do you agree to dine at the state-of-the-art cafe at restaurant prices?

                        If I don’t pay for it, then easily.

                        But this, by the way, is also irrelevant. Logic, "Ingvar", logic ... while this is not your strong point, unfortunately ...
  3. Livonetc
    Livonetc 28 October 2019 15: 17
    -4
    Russia is not in Africa.
    Russia on planet Earth is establishing planetary cooperation.
    May God settle for a long time.
    1. Artavazdych
      Artavazdych 28 October 2019 15: 23
      +14
      Well, yes, especially planetary cooperation is very clear. The world's first abortion. One of the first suicides and natural population decline
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 28 October 2019 17: 34
        +4
        "The first in the world in abortions. One of the first in suicides and natural population decline" You don't need to whistle, China will be the first in abortions in Russia for this year there will be around 380000 for comparison in 1990 there were 4 million, for suicides Russia is far from the first is about 26000 cases per 147 million, in Japan more than 300000 per 126 million of the population, tenth in terms of population decline, in ninth Japan, which has had a population decline since the 70s.
        1. Artavazdych
          Artavazdych 28 October 2019 17: 39
          -1
          That is, everything is pretty well!
          Only here the population of Japan brought for illustration, but China - no.
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        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 28 October 2019 21: 08
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          No need to whistle, China's first abortion

          Well, don’t be weird again, Vadik! Can you think critically at all? In China, 1.5 billion people, and the number of abortions is 9 million per year. We have 146 million, and the number of abortions is more than a million.
          So where do abortions do more often, and Vadik? fool
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 October 2019 20: 01
            0
            380000 abortions - no more than a million in Russia.
        3. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 28 October 2019 21: 43
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          in Russia for this year they will be in the 380000 area

          Where does the digital come from?
          1. Harry.km
            Harry.km 28 October 2019 22: 25
            -2
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Where does the digital come from?

            So it’s written on the blackboard with chalk in the morning. Board under the clock and bell. The bell rang, the change began by delivering numbers from the board on the forums ... Vadik237 is an expert in all areas where we need to tell you that everything is fine with us, but it will be even better))
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 28 October 2019 23: 09
              +2
              Quote: Harry.km
              So it’s written on the blackboard with chalk in the morning.

              Che it is not written. 300 thousand suicides in Japan ... Already surprised, and climbed onto the Internet.
              TOKYO, July 18 2019, 10: 40 - REGNUM July 16 At a meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers of Japan, the White Paper on Suicide Prevention for 2019 was approved. It notes that the number of people who committed suicide in the 2018 year was 20 840 people, which is 481 less than in the 2017 year.
              Details: https://regnum.ru/news/society/2668070.html

              In terms of the number of suicides per capita, Russia exceeds the world average by 2,5 times (26,5 cases per 100 thousand people versus 10,5).

              Above - only Lesotho and Guyana (28,9 and 30,2, respectively).

              For comparison: in Belarus this indicator is 21,4; in Ukraine - 18,5; in the USA - 13,7, in Canada - 10,4; in Cuba - 10,1; in Israel - 5,2.

              https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-49636376
              Honestly, I did not expect it myself.
              1. Harry.km
                Harry.km 28 October 2019 23: 15
                -2
                ugly as it is with Ukraine only 18.5 ... they eat babies there ...
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 29 October 2019 20: 25
                0
                About Japan in the first person and suicides there
                At the expense of mortality in Russia
                "According to the WHO, in 2013-2014 in Russia there were 100 cases of suicide per 19,5 thousand inhabitants.

                For the first nine months of 2015, the same indicator was 17,7.

                In 2016, the same indicator dropped to 15,4, which is the lowest level since the early 1960s.

                In 2017, this figure began to fall to about 14.2 cases of suicide. "- And you have less jaundice to suck.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 29 October 2019 20: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  About Japan in the first person and suicides there [media = http: // https: //youtu.be/2-ER_yHvLfo? List = PL4YcmB6duia8UcFYwgmLjQu3uigeVih8V]

                  I looked. 33.30: "In Japan, about 30 thousand people commit suicide." So remove the extra zero at least, and it is unlikely that this Ukrainian presenter will look for the exact information. He is the yellow parashin bullshit from YouTube. Do not offer such nonsense anymore, I will not look.
        4. Harry.km
          Harry.km 28 October 2019 22: 28
          -3
          Quote: Vadim237
          China is the first in abortions in Russia this year to be in the region of 380000; for comparison, in the 1990s there were 4 million, in suicides Russia is far from the first about 26000 cases per 147 million, in Japan more than 300000 per 126 million people, tenth place in terms of loss population, on the ninth, Japan, in which the population has been declining since the 70s.

          Quote: Vadim237
          the info drop should work all the time.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 October 2019 20: 20
            0
            Well, here you are - success to you in this matter.
  4. knn54
    knn54 28 October 2019 15: 17
    +11
    -In Africa, Trump’s “unequivocal signal” was understood correctly and moved in friendly ranks to Putin in Sochi.
    And if Trump suddenly wants to return. Where will the friendly ranks go?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 28 October 2019 15: 23
      +7
      Quote: knn54
      -In Africa, Trump’s “unequivocal signal” was understood correctly and moved in friendly ranks to Putin in Sochi.

      Yes, Putin is generous, gives out money, you can again get loans ...
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 28 October 2019 15: 29
        -3
        Quote: Svarog
        you can get loans again ...

        ... targeted ... wink
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          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 28 October 2019 20: 50
            -1
            Quote: Stroporez
            getting old, so-so trollin, not even meat, but fake

            Did you decide to do self-criticism? I approve, a useful thing ...

            Quote: Stroporez
            Kote

            On ava dog. This is so, by the way wink

            Quote: Stroporez
            multi-purpose loans

            What is this essence? It was another matter ... since there is not enough education - google it, you’ll not look silly ...

            Quote: Stroporez
            just steal even before the loan is approved

            Well, that's for sure:

            Quote: Stroporez
            so-so trollin, not even meat, but fake

            Well done. Keep it up. Catch a plus sign yes
      2. Edik
        Edik 28 October 2019 15: 38
        -15
        Quote: Svarog
        Yes, Putin is generous, gives out money, you can again get loans ...

        What day of the month was he distributing! Proofs!
        1. Loess
          Loess 28 October 2019 15: 43
          -2
          Quote: Edik
          What day of the month he was giving out!

          They don’t care who handed out. It is important for them who wrote off. Why I wrote it off is also not important.
          1. Edik
            Edik 28 October 2019 15: 45
            -14
            Quote: Less
            They don’t care who handed out. It is important for them who wrote off. Why I wrote it off is also not important.

            It is important for them that their mouth be open at the right time! And everything else is the little things in life.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 28 October 2019 18: 16
              -4
              They usually have a different place openly - the information dumping should work constantly.
        2. Avior
          Avior 28 October 2019 15: 43
          0
          https://www.vedomosti.ru/amp/f12404a164/business/news/2017/07/19/724598-vetnamu-tanki-kredit
          1. Edik
            Edik 28 October 2019 15: 49
            -10
            Quote: Avior
            https://www.vedomosti.ru/amp/f12404a164/business/news/2017/07/19/724598-vetnamu-tanki-kredit

            And? What is the problem with this, well, a very profitable loan for us?
            1. Avior
              Avior 28 October 2019 15: 57
              +13
              What day of the month was he distributing! Proofs!

              Well, I gave you a proof, and what did it give you? You forgot what you asked for right there.
              What's the problem?
              The problem is that the old debts were written off, since there was no mechanism for collecting debts from the state.
              Write off debts, and again began to give a loan.
              But there was no mechanism for collecting such debts, and no.
              That's the problem.
              1. Edik
                Edik 28 October 2019 16: 20
                -6
                Quote: Avior
                The problem is that the old debts were written off, since there was no mechanism for collecting debts from the state.
                Write off debts, and again began to give a loan.
                But there was no mechanism for collecting such debts, and no.

                Sergey is the USSR, the shirt was a guy helping everyone! And now they will deal with corporations that will protect their investments with blood and will uniquely develop a mechanism for collecting debts and guarantees.
              2. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 28 October 2019 16: 20
                -3
                Quote: Avior
                there was no, and no, mechanism for collecting such debts. That's the problem

                It is not entirely clear only why it is so worried about visitors from "vna" what
            2. Greg Miller
              Greg Miller 28 October 2019 16: 31
              0
              Quote: Edik
              Quote: Avior
              https://www.vedomosti.ru/amp/f12404a164/business/news/2017/07/19/724598-vetnamu-tanki-kredit

              And? What is the problem with this, well, a very profitable loan for us?

              And the fact is that before giving Vietnam this "beneficial for us" loan, Putin wrote off the loan previously issued by our country ...
              1. Edik
                Edik 28 October 2019 16: 40
                -7
                Quote: Greg Miller
                And the fact is that before giving Vietnam this "beneficial for us" loan, Putin wrote off the loan previously issued by our country ...

                Greg buddy you will be surprised, but this is a world practice, how !!
          2. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 28 October 2019 20: 09
            -1
            What do you dislike about this news? What money went to UVZ? Where was it necessary? Very good news! The plant received the loot, the workers received the loot, the tax received the loot! What is the problem?
      3. Lexus
        Lexus 28 October 2019 16: 00
        +5
        Yes, Putin is generous, gives out money, you can again get loans

        Vladimir hi
        Why loans when there is a Pension Fund? You can take it away from the old people, they will die anyway, and give it back to the negroes, who breed like flies and then groan that there is not enough food. After all, this is so "humanly". And on the foolish box there is something to show.

        Look, and the "sisters" under the leadership of the reincarnated Miracle Yudo fish-Cat are right there.
      4. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 28 October 2019 20: 06
        -7
        Everything in the world is relative. You can say, gave loans. You could say, sent the money to the manufacturing sector. Well, judge for yourself. Why give stupid money? Where will they go? There Ukraine stupidly gave a three-ruble note. So what? Where is the money Zin! And they give Africans to buy our goods. What's bad: They would give Ukrainians to buy something from our products, so the money would remain in Russia. We would buy new machines, produce products, get salaries, pay taxes. Some advantages from such loans. Well, the oligarchs would certainly have grabbed. But so are their identities, not Ukrainian! Well, brains! I do not pray for Putin, but in this case he made the right move! And it had to be done for a long time.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 28 October 2019 20: 24
          +2
          SOVIET UNION 2 (SOVIET UNION) Oh, oh! How do you run everything .... Ie are you quite sure that the trick given to yanuku to maintain the trousers and respect for the mink caps stolen in Kharkiv was not cut by the donors and acquirers? What, sobsno horseradish, did the FSO extract the body of the former felon and send him to Rostov, for what hryvnia?
          What do you have in Africa? Outline Prospects bully
          1. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 28 October 2019 20: 32
            -3
            So I say. Ukrainians gave a three-ruble note for loyalty. But the states offered more. As a result, this three-wheeler turned out to be a stern feed. And in Africa, money will not be given just like that. I can’t imagine Gref handing out money just like that! Well, enough already consider our oligarchs so stupid. Yes, they go there for raw materials. But Africans, too, are not made with a finger. So they put forward a condition, raw materials for manufactured goods and industrial facilities. Now our want, do not want, but will have to do production. Money is allocated.
    2. Loess
      Loess 28 October 2019 15: 24
      +10
      Quote: knn54
      And if Trump suddenly wants to return. Where will the friendly ranks go?

      As usual - to where more will be offered.
    3. The popuas
      The popuas 28 October 2019 16: 05
      +10
      That's right, Trump or the earth will take either oil, or grandmother in the morning demands who does not give him democracy, Handsome in one word! And ,, our ,, senile senility covers theft.
  5. Avior
    Avior 28 October 2019 15: 28
    +21
    This was the case with Algeria, which in 2006 completely wrote off the Soviet debt of $ 5,7 billion and immediately signed a contract for $ 7,5 billion for the purchase of Russian military equipment.

    Is this the same contract that Algeria refused to fulfill, returned MiG back?
    And canceled the agreement with Gazprom?
    Strong economic move.
    Most of those who were forgiven for their debts due to the lack of mechanisms to reclaim them, began to lend again weapons. They called it beautifully on credit.
    Only mechanisms to dislodge these debts from them did not appear. We are waiting for the second series.
    1. knn54
      knn54 28 October 2019 16: 25
      +4
      In the second series, PRIVATE companies will appear, for the admission of which they wrote off STATE loans.
    2. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 28 October 2019 20: 13
      -6
      With whom to get out debts? Where did the money go from enterprises? Well, they gave the enterprises another 7,5 lard. What's so bad Why don't you like financing production? Even the military-industrial complex.
    3. Nehist
      Nehist 29 October 2019 03: 22
      +3
      Gg by the way Algeria payment capable country. And the cancellation of his debt is puzzling to say the least
  6. Gardamir
    Gardamir 28 October 2019 15: 30
    +4
    In Russia, a new swear word. If someone is against the authorities, then that person is immediately called liberals.
    1. Loess
      Loess 28 October 2019 15: 37
      +6
      Quote: Gardamir
      In Russia, a new swear word.

      Not new. It became abusive about a quarter of a century ago. When the people realized what they had ...
      1. Harry.km
        Harry.km 28 October 2019 22: 37
        -4
        Quote: Less
        about a quarter century ago. When the people realized what they got into ...

        Yes, judging by the comments, even on this site, not only did not understand, but also advertises it. True, some sincerely, while others for small pieces of silver)))
    2. The popuas
      The popuas 28 October 2019 16: 02
      +9
      Taki in power liberals ... wassat
  7. Mikhail Zarokov
    Mikhail Zarokov 28 October 2019 15: 41
    -8
    Once Vladimir Vladimirovich was a liberal .....
    1. Harry.km
      Harry.km 28 October 2019 22: 38
      -2
      Quote: Mikhail Zarokov
      Once Vladimir Vladimirovich was a liberal .....

      Cons mold ... For the word "was", or what?))
  8. samarin1969
    samarin1969 28 October 2019 15: 44
    +3
    Beware girls! "Investors" are coming! Will it turn out to be "long-term" ... but they guarantee "fruitful" ... laughing
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 28 October 2019 16: 33
      -6
      Beware girls! "Investors" are coming! Will it turn out to be "long-term" ... but they guarantee "fruitful" ...

      Konstantin hi
      It is extremely dangerous to "invest" there - AIDS, malaria, cholera, fevers (Ebola, yellow, West Nile) and much more. And their "alaverds" are already a dime a dozen in Russia. Those that are not on the stage, whatever they do, just do not work. For example, drugs.
  9. The popuas
    The popuas 28 October 2019 16: 02
    +13
    Interestingly, it turned out with Vietnam, they wrote off 10 billion debts, supposedly unrecoverable, but he didn’t, and ordered weapons for 10 billion in the USA, that’s all bullshit! Money 50/50 saw guarantors ....
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 28 October 2019 16: 17
      +3
      Quote: Popuas
      Interesting with Vietnam, it turned out, they wrote off 10 billion debts, supposedly unrecoverable

      Well, not quite so ... a shred of wool from them did. Learn a little deeper laughing

      Quote: Popuas
      and he opa, and for 10 billion in the USA ordered weapons

      The leader of North Korea, beloved by many here, said about a similar debt: "The country from which we borrowed is no longer there. So there is no debt either." What, kakbe, hints wink

      Quote: Popuas
      bullshit is everything! Money 50/50 saw guarantors

      Yes write already - 90/10 ... what them, adversaries, to regret? (from)
      1. The popuas
        The popuas 28 October 2019 16: 25
        +1
        Wool bug, for 10 billion .... a breakthrough bully maybe 90/10 tea is not the Communists in power so that everything is equally divided wink
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 28 October 2019 16: 29
          0
          Quote: Popuas
          Wool bug, for 10 billion .... a breakthrough

          Again -

          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Learn a little deeper

          Then come in ... maybe your opinion will be slightly corrected wink

          Quote: Popuas
          maybe 90/10

          Clear. I knew that tsifir - from the ceiling yes

          Quote: Popuas
          tea is not the Communists in power so that everything is equally divided

          Even under the communists there was no "all equally", someone mercilessly cheated you ...
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  10. iury.vorgul
    iury.vorgul 28 October 2019 16: 49
    +1
    Note that in the export structure, almost a third was accounted for by machinery and equipment, almost a fifth of Soviet deliveries were industrial goods. Ready-made foods, pulp and paper products, etc., went to Africa. In short, high-value-added products, which Russia is now striving for.
    Wait..? How..? The scoop did not produce anything but galoshes .... !!!!!!
  11. 1970mk
    1970mk 28 October 2019 16: 53
    +7
    Peskov's commentary "... so what was written off .... now let Russian companies be open to Africa and they will pay taxes, including in Russia .." ... Fantastic ... All the same people are moving towards enrichment under the guise of Russia ... I was shocked when I learned that the minimum salary in Morocco is equivalent to 250 US dollars! What do we have? What ugdno are ready to do if only a separate handful of persons close to the body are enriched ... The people, how are they?
  12. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 28 October 2019 16: 55
    0
    Oligarchic clowns sucked everything from the population of Russia. Now some ravings about Africa have begun. At the same time, there is an active discharge of Siberia and the Far East to China. However, nothing new. For them, this is not a country, but simply a territory.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 October 2019 17: 56
      -6
      There are no more oligarchic clowns, they were in the 90s and early 2000s Khodorkovsky, Boris Berezovsky, Gusinsky, Vinogradov, Smolensky - ended with their companies and banks, if you had stayed like them now you would not like pensions, but there would be no Internet - as well as electricity with water supply and for one inflation as a thousand percent, the ruble would become toilet paper in the truest sense of the word. So there are fewer tantrums and panic, but about the drain of Siberia and the Far East, like you have been talking about for the third dozen years - not tired yet?
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 28 October 2019 19: 50
        -1
        Quote: Vadim237
        They have been talking for the third decade - not yet tired?
        While Soros pays, Hodor throws them up.
        1. Old Horseradish
          Old Horseradish 28 October 2019 20: 35
          -2
          Quote: sniperino
          While Soros pays, Hodor throws them up.

          Agents of the oligarchy and Beijing are excited. As always, cast a shadow on the wattle fence. Nothing new.
          "Ukrainians are enemies, Chinese people are friends, the United States is a trash heap, oligarchs are builders, creators and generally the nicest people." And also "we got up from our knees, a cunning plan, we beat everyone, we won everyone." In short, sheer psychopathy.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 28 October 2019 21: 59
            -1
            Quote: Old Fuck
            Agents of the oligarchy and Beijing are excited ... In short, solid psychopathy
            Ek hurt you for the living. Do not worry so. Drink droplets of sedatives, let go. Rose, and now you just need to take it for granted.
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  13. astepanov
    astepanov 28 October 2019 17: 02
    +6
    Urya-ah-ah! In Africa, unprecedented prosperity awaits us! And in Russia, too, waiting. Long. And he will wait.
    PS: Can my son get in line to write off mortgage debts? Not, not the first, but after Guineans, Cubans, Papuans, Somalis .... The son will soon be left without pants, works like an ox, and the whole mortgage is sucked out. He will forgive debts (or at least reduce the rate from predatory to tough), he will have a second child.
    1. Harry.km
      Harry.km 28 October 2019 22: 51
      -2
      Quote: astepanov
      Can my son get in line to write off mortgage debts?

      And does he have a mortgage area south of the equator? If so, you can try ....
  14. fa2998
    fa2998 28 October 2019 17: 10
    +1
    "Russia must correspond to this high status ..." - yes, in terms of the income of the population, we just settled between African countries. That in Russia all things have changed? That the economy works like clockwork and money has nowhere to go?
    You won’t pull gas there, and there’s oil of your own. They export it yourself. And the rest is supplied by China. Moreover, China has been there for a long time, and seriously. We will not move such a competitor. If we have everything Chinese in the domestic market, we will pass on them.
    It may be in the arms market, but there is competition too. Again on credit, at a discount. The Russian taxpayer will pay. No. hi
  15. Alex66
    Alex66 28 October 2019 17: 10
    +5
    It looks like Putin will create 20 million high-performance jobs in Africa. Everything is somehow past the Russians, we are kind of gnomes who are not visible creating innumerable wealth (we still live at the expense of the USSR) but do not have access to them. And Africa, of course, is glad to pick up more debts, Putin will forgive.
  16. 1536
    1536 28 October 2019 18: 39
    +2
    Russia is like a shuttle in a sewing machine: back and forth, back and forth. We spend money, sacrifice people, and then some scoundrel comes to power and everything, kirdyk everything achieved. And Africa, what is Africa? It develops and will develop with us or without us.
  17. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 28 October 2019 19: 08
    -5
    No, this is not just a "PR action" - it is a monstrous cut of money, so tell me what could be there in 2 days! (in two days Karl!) cost 4,5 billion (4,5 billion, Karl!) rubles? Moreover, a part (what part? Large or small?) Of the so-called "contracts", which the Kremlin fraternity is so "proud of," was concluded on a "gratuitous basis" - that is - "Free" (directly according to "Winnie the Pooh"), - with the sides of Russia, it turns out, have forgiven the negrils 20 billion dollars and again a part (and something tells me that everything) they will receive "for free", that is, at their "own expense" (at the expense of Russia) and for loans that will never be returned? In principle, it is clear that "silent" Russians can raise the pension period again, for example, up to 67 years and VAT up to 32% and make the cost of gasoline "like in Europe" to compensate for "successful" business in Africa, why not? .... In addition, it is quite possible (given the colossal corruption component in Africa) to steal money aimed at "cooperation with Africa", and then, after 4 years, shrug and say, "Well, they went bankrupt, well, they lost another hundred billion dollars, so what .... this is Africa .... "
    https://newizv.ru/news/politics/24-10-2019/v-kopeechku-sammit-rossiya-afrika-oboshelsya-byudzhetu-v-4-5-mlrd-rubley
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 28 October 2019 20: 41
      -4
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Moreover, a part (which part? Large or smaller?) Of the so-called "contracts", which the Kremlin fraternity is so "proud of," was concluded on a "gratuitous basis" - that is - "Free

      Link to the studio, intelligible. Or again "la-la" turns out request

      Quote: Monster_Fat
      "Silent" Russians can raise their pension period again, for example, to 67 years and VAT up to 32% and make the cost of gasoline "like in Europe" to compensate for "successful" business in Africa, and why not?

      It’s too thick even for you ... is it really so annoying? wink

      Quote: Monster_Fat
      it is quite possible (given the colossal corruption component in Africa) to steal money aimed at "cooperation with Africa"

      There is an understanding that no real money will be sent "to Africa". Google "linked credit" and you will be a little bit happy ...
  18. Terenin
    Terenin 28 October 2019 20: 17
    +2
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    .... In addition, it is quite possible (given the colossal corruption component in Africa) to steal money aimed at "cooperation with Africa", and then, after 4 years, shrug and say, "Well, they went bankrupt, well, they lost another hundred billion dollars, so what .... this is Africa .... "
    https://newizv.ru/news/politics/24-10-2019/v-kopeechku-sammit-rossiya-afrika-oboshelsya-byudzhetu-v-4-5-mlrd-rubley

    Well, of course, winked Where can we figure it out ourselves, especially in Africa, without the comments of awesome specialists, with an unwashed head, with Ekho Moskvy, Nezavisimaya Gazeta and other liberals. Well, no way No.
  19. sniperino
    sniperino 28 October 2019 20: 17
    -7
    Those who advocate private investment in their economy instead of the African one may not be aware that we have not a shortage of money, but people - labor. Of course, you can open the flow of African migrant workers to us and open enterprises here, but not everyone will like it either. The growth of investment in and trade with Africa will contribute to the growth of our economy.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 28 October 2019 21: 58
      0
      Quote: sniperino
      about we do not have a shortage of money, but people - labor

      Nonsense on a stick. Especially after raising the retirement age.
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 28 October 2019 22: 18
        +1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Especially after raising the retirement age.
        If earlier there were not enough road workers, now only doctors have a shortage of more than 60 thousand. And engineers, skilled workers ... So, nonsense - it is like that.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 28 October 2019 22: 26
          +2
          Quote: sniperino
          now only doctors have a deficit of more than 60 thousand.

          And they need it, for 15-20 thousand hunchback?
          Quote: sniperino
          skilled workers ...

          Same. Not one acquaintance - a skilled worker in the protection of his pants wipes.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 28 October 2019 23: 00
            -1
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            And they need it, for 15-20 thousand hunchback?
            If it’s easier for a doctor to wipe his pants for the same money or look out for sorcerers in a supermarket, then this is not a doctor. For a specialist, for the same money, it is usually more pleasant in his job to engage not only in work, but also grow professionally. And if he stood in line for a diploma for money, then he definitely won’t want to hunch. Nowhere.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 28 October 2019 23: 18
              0
              Quote: sniperino
              but also grow professionally

              What? Each nurse will become the head physician, and each seller - the director of the store? And the plumber Uncle Vasya - the manager of the housing and communal services? Do you drive that?
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 28 October 2019 23: 26
                0
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Do you drive that?
                You do not distinguish between career and professional growth, so throw a blizzard here.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 28 October 2019 23: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: sniperino
                  You do not distinguish between career and professional growth,

                  Do you know what the difference is in the salary of the same housing and communal services fitter 3 and 5? And how do you think a seller in Magnet can professionally grow?
                  Quote: sniperino
                  throw a blizzard here.

                  You sweep. We have optimized, you are not enough professionals.
                  Tell me how my friend left the electricians on guard?
                  For years 15 worked, optimized, he became one electrician at the 2 workshop, between which the distance is almost half an hour's walk. That is, you need to step into the workshop, to see what is broken there, then back, for spare parts, tools. Walk more than work. After another breakdown, several calls to him personally from Moscow with matyugs, and a call to the director’s carpet, he spat on everything and now sits quietly in a Moscow warehouse, for a double salary. Economists you are bad. My nurse-nurse receives less than 20 for more than 30 years of experience, and my aunt from Moscow receives 80, working as the same nurse.
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 29 October 2019 01: 04
                    -1
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    what's the difference in the salary of the same locksmith
                    You only understand about salary and career. There was a shitty locksmith, learned something - became a good locksmith. It happens? And salary and career are a consequence of the professional growth of the employee. The higher the professional level, the more orders, offers, etc.
        2. The popuas
          The popuas 28 October 2019 23: 22
          -1
          So what!? From investments in Africa, they will appear, then doctors .. angry
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 28 October 2019 23: 57
            -1
            Quote: Popuas
            So what!? From investments in Africa, they will appear, then doctors
            From investments in Africa, they will NOT appear, BUT there will be money for the development of honey. education, reform of clinics, advanced training, and then, you look, and there will be not so few doctors in comparison with those who received diplomas of medical institutes.
        3. Tank hard
          Tank hard 28 October 2019 23: 50
          +3
          Quote: sniperino
          now only doctors have a deficit of more than 60 thousand.

          Duc, it is necessary to pay specialists ... And then "specialists" from Central Asia will come in large numbers for "cheaper" and the operation on the surgical table is as "qualified" as the salary, but you and your relatives will suddenly feel itchy? Do you want this pleasure? And we already know how they make and build repairs ... feel
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 29 October 2019 01: 22
            -2
            Quote: Tank Hard
            So, it is necessary to pay specialists ... And that will come in large numbers
            Again pennies for fish ... And where will the specialists evaporate? In the protection of the comers, too, enough. I understand the concern for decent salaries for specialists, but how is the economic relationship with Africa hindering this? Some nonsense.
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 29 October 2019 10: 55
              +1
              Quote: sniperino
              And where will the specialists evaporate?

              Where, in the 90s, for example, an excellent biologist worked with me in the power support group. Well, they didn’t pay then, I myself am in my first education, a physical education teacher, a coach. Go to work in school in the first half of the 90s, did not see the point. request
              Quote: sniperino
              In the protection of the comers too much.

              There the security is such that even grasp your head, they don’t know at all how to work and with whom, neither rights, nor obligations:


              Quote: sniperino
              but how does this interfere with economic ties with Africa? Some nonsense.

              Then I commented on the shortage of doctors in more than 60 thousand (did you write?). About the connection with Africa - I did not write ... request
    2. Harry.km
      Harry.km 28 October 2019 22: 59
      0
      Quote: sniperino
      we have not a shortage of money, but people - labor resources.

      Yeah ... unemployment 4.4% in Russia, 14% in Chechnya, 12% in Ossetia ...
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 28 October 2019 23: 18
        +1
        Quote: Harry.km
        Yeah ... unemployment 4.4% in Russia
        In the USSR, 10% unemployment was the norm. This is an article for parasitism! Not everyone wants to work, at least officially to get a job.
        1. Harry.km
          Harry.km 28 October 2019 23: 26
          -2
          Quote: sniperino
          In the USSR, 10% unemployment was the norm. This is an article for parasitism! Not everyone wants to work, at least officially to get a job.

          And the pension in the USSR was 55 and 60 with the experience of 20 and 25 ... And there was also medicine ... It just was! And the best training in the world. And there was Cosmonautics ... And the trees were greener, and the women were hotter ....
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 29 October 2019 02: 08
            -1
            Quote: Harry.km
            women hotter
            Maybe: then they more often gave birth and less likely to get divorced.
  20. Private89
    Private89 28 October 2019 20: 36
    +3
    Go or not go to the African market, for the common people with this system there is not any benefit. A plant is being built, to whom it brings profit, in whose interests does it work? If the profit goes to a private trader, he will spend this money on his beloved, although a lot of workers work at the factory who produce the product with their labor, and this character appropriates the fruits of their labor, and they give them a handout in the form of payroll. So for large-scale production, public ownership is necessary.
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 28 October 2019 20: 59
      0
      Quote: Private 89
      If the profit goes to the private owner, then he will spend this money on himself beloved
      But does he pay income tax here?
      1. Private89
        Private89 1 November 2019 16: 40
        +1
        And the option to do without a private trader and to use all the profits to create public goods, why laying in the form of a private trader is needed. Workers can do without a capitalist, but a capitalist cannot profit without the labor of workers.
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 1 November 2019 16: 52
          0
          Quote: Private 89
          And the option to do without a private trader and to use all the profits to create public goods, why laying in the form of a private trader is needed. Workers can do without a capitalist, but a capitalist cannot profit without the labor of workers.
          If only they have their own capital and organizational resources, without which it is impossible to make a profit, as well as the willingness to take risks, because if the East is a delicate matter, then Africa is generally a dark matter. The artel will go there, but whether it will return is a question.
  21. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 28 October 2019 22: 42
    +1
    Quote: Artavazdych
    The reason is commonplace. It is necessary to assimilate the Russian ethnic group first with the help of Asians, but to be sure - African migrants to help! All means in business.

    I wonder how many Russians are in Africa and how these Russians were there, that is, who are they?
  22. gorenina91
    gorenina91 29 October 2019 08: 20
    -1
    - Damn, again Russia chose the most terrible and impoverished blacks and began to cultivate them ...
    -SSSR suffered with this Africa, suffered ... in return, it took only space losses ... -Now, Russia has gone to the same rake ...
    -Who can explain ... how it turns out. That Russia (the USSR + Russia) has been investing so heavily in Africa for about 60 years, it has gained enormous costs, and in return it hasn’t received anything ...
    "And we haven't seen milk yet" ... - that's the whole result ...
    - It turns out that it is Africa "assimilating" Russia, and not Russia Africa ...
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 29 October 2019 11: 21
      -9
      I have to often visit Africa, for example, I recently came from Mauritania, And I see who and how does "business" there. About "Russians" in Africa everyone speaks of as the most ardent corrupt officials who turn "black deals" there (um, sorry for an involuntary pun) - that is, all the activity there goes unclear in whose pocket, but definitely not in Russia. Experience shows that all Russian state investment activities are based on the following rule: personal enrichment of certain individuals (circle of persons) and utilization of costs at the expense of the state.
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  23. Alexey Safronov
    Alexey Safronov 2 November 2019 08: 51
    0
    I read here at my leisure that we have a lot of experts, and there are exactly 0 cases from them, using the function "forget" everything (from the word completely), they build hypotheses of the country's development at its best. In 1) if you are so smart, go and do it, show it as needed.
    2) your level of development (at least not die) is designed for your personal use, but here the issue is large-scale
    And 3) did someone there talk about our money in the wrong direction? You turn yours in the beginning in that direction!
    I would also like to touch on international development ... You first clean up your house! As one person correctly noted, our experts are very versed in politics and international affairs like 2 + 2 and at home sorted out ... Complex mathematical calculations
  24. kriten
    kriten 4 November 2019 13: 25
    0
    HSE associate professors cannot see anything good in Russia's actions. This is an incubator growing enemies of Russia, and for work in all government bodies. There, the teacher is not an enemy of the development of Russia - the person is not desirable. They clearly hold the banner of Yasin, their idol, the destroyer of education and the Russian economy. Moreover, they see that his enemy activity is highly appreciated by the Kremlin. He was awarded the highest orders.