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US classified drone RQ-180 adopted by the U.S. Air Force

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The US Air Force has adopted a new drone RQ-180, designed to conduct reconnaissance in areas with restricted and prohibiting access and maneuver (A2 / AD). As he writes "NPlus1" citing Aviation Week, the U.S. Air Force received seven new drones.


US classified drone RQ-180 adopted by the U.S. Air Force

One of the alleged images of RQ-180


The latest Northrop Grumman RQ-180 drones are classified and therefore there is little information about them. It is known that the development was started after the 2005 year, the device made its first flight in the 2010 year, and from the 2014 year the tests of this drone were conducted. Presumably, the RQ-180 with a fuselage length of 10 meters has a wingspan of 40 meters. The main mission is to conduct reconnaissance in the face of opposition from the enemy, which has a developed air defense and air force system. It was stated that it was possible to stay in the air for 24 hours at an altitude of up to 18 km.

Apparently, the new drone is a development of the J-UCAS project, over the implementation of which the Navy and the US Air Force have been working since the early 2000s. The goal of the J-UCAS project was to create a single unmanned platform that would satisfy both the fleet and Aviation. At the very end of 2005, this program was divided into two parts - the secret air force and naval UCAS-D. Perhaps the RQ-180 is the brainchild of this secret program.

To date, the Air Force has seven newest drones, all of which are assigned to the 472th reconnaissance squadron of the US Air Force at the Beale air base in California. RQ-180 is designed to occupy a niche in intelligence operations, which until 1999 years occupied the supersonic reconnaissance aircraft SR-71 Blackbird.
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  1. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 26 October 2019 12: 51
    +3
    Good drone. But then, our anti-aircraft UAV countermeasures (especially electronic warfare systems) are the best in the world. Let's see who ...
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 26 October 2019 13: 07
      +8
      Quote: Valery Valery
      our UAV countermeasures (especially electronic warfare systems) are the best in the world

      I suspect that with an eye on the Russian electronic warfare this drone was made. So you are right:
      Quote: Valery Valery
      Let's see who ...
    2. stalki
      stalki 26 October 2019 13: 27
      +5
      Good drone.
      What is it good for, if everything is classified, can you tell me more, very interesting?
    3. knn54
      knn54 26 October 2019 13: 47
      +3
      Good sparring partner for the MiG-31.
    4. Obi-Wan Kenobi
      Obi-Wan Kenobi 26 October 2019 15: 53
      -8
      Good drone. But then, our anti-aircraft UAV countermeasures (especially electronic warfare systems) are the best in the world. Let's see who ...

      I agree.
      But a beautiful drone.
      And now the cons to the studio.
      1. NN52
        NN52 26 October 2019 17: 45
        +12
        Obi Wan Kenobi (Sigismund Voldemarovich)

        There is still no reliable (real) RQ 180 photo ... What beauty are we talking about?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 26 October 2019 22: 21
          -4
          There are a couple of pictures of its marine version.
          The fleet did not take it, and the army adopted it.
          1. NN52
            NN52 26 October 2019 23: 19
            +3
            voyaka uh (Alexey)

            This is not true..
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 27 October 2019 00: 20
              -5
              Yes, perhaps in my photo X-47B. His wings are shorter.
              They are very, very similar to this new scout.
              One manufacturing company.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 29 October 2019 19: 51
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                They are very, very similar to this new scout.
                One manufacturing company

                they should be very similar. Not only one design company, but also one dad-project. The RQ 180 grew out of the X-47B, and there are no reasons to radically change the appearance of the device.
          2. NN52
            NN52 26 October 2019 23: 20
            +2
            voyaka uh (Alexey)

            This is not so, Alex ...
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 29 October 2019 19: 52
              -1
              Quote: NN52
              This is not so, Alex ...

              patamushta, did I say that? When people object, they give arguments. Well, others .. can do without them - the Tsar said, then it is. Believe))
              1. NN52
                NN52 29 October 2019 20: 09
                +1
                Gregory_45 (Gregory)

                Oh Grisha, Grisha .... can you show the photo 180? Or will a UFO in the form of a triangular wing with an inversion trace be considered?
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 29 October 2019 20: 24
                  -1
                  Quote: NN52
                  photo you can show 180

                  so can you show? Judging by your comments, you know him better than developers laughing
                  1. NN52
                    NN52 29 October 2019 20: 28
                    +1
                    Grisha ...
                    I did not compare him with our Hunter ... did you oversleep today? laughing
                    1. Grigory_45
                      Grigory_45 29 October 2019 20: 42
                      -2
                      Quote: NN52
                      I am not comparing him with our Hunter

                      miracle, re-read everything, ALL your comments.


                      Quote: NN52
                      did you oversleep today?

                      It looks like this is your case. And not just for today, is this standard practice?
                2. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 29 October 2019 20: 25
                  -1
                  and most importantly, you again have no arguments. Do you know what they call those who are balabolit unreasonably? Yeah, exactly so (I think you guessed
                  1. NN52
                    NN52 29 October 2019 20: 35
                    -1
                    So .. what arguments do you need? Photo? I do not have them. There is an analyst on the purpose of this device, and an analogy on its secrecy (compared to SR 71, etc. ..)
                    And you, Grisha, a balobol ...) laughing
          3. MrFox
            MrFox 27 October 2019 14: 34
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            The fleet did not take it, and the army adopted it.


            Not certainly in that way. All features were thoroughly tested on the X-47B, plus a new feature - automatic landing on a ship. Groundwork went into the next generation drones.

            Backlogs - that's the flesh
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 29 October 2019 19: 54
              0
              Quote: MrFox
              On the X-47B thoroughly run in all the features

              yes, they took off automatic takeoff, landing on an aircraft carrier, refueling in the air and following the route. Those. the device at least arranges the fleet as an air tanker (they have such a direction) And the main reserve, of course, went to create a new drone - in the form factor of the previous one, but with new electronic stuffing and new software
    5. Arturov
      Arturov 26 October 2019 16: 23
      -8
      Quote: Valery Valery
      But then, our anti-aircraft UAV countermeasures (especially electronic warfare systems) are the best in the world.

      electronics and the elementary base lagged behind by 20 years at best, even radios are already being bought in China but EWs are the best in the world! (but this isn’t accurate) ... tell me, at least in the know on which technological process the processors of no analogues in the world are produced? And are they even produced in Russia? lol
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 October 2019 17: 53
        -1
        That you were stuck in the 2000th year - and are still skidding.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 26 October 2019 22: 45
          -6
          Quote: Vadim237
          That you were stuck in the 2000th year - and are still skidding.

          How many Glonass satellites have been built in the last 3 years since the end of dual-use electronics stores?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 27 October 2019 10: 57
            +2
            In Russia at the moment there are 3000 research institutes, design bureaus, manufactures, private offices that are engaged in the development and production of electronic components, radio electronics and microelectronics - satellites need to be tested completely on our electronic base, however, like everything else, three years have passed and such a Glonass K 2 satellite Now in the production process for flight tests, there are 27 Glonass satellites in total, 23 in orbit.
      2. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 29 October 2019 19: 55
        -1
        Quote: Arturov
        Quote: Valery Valery
        But then, our anti-aircraft UAV countermeasures (especially electronic warfare systems) are the best in the world.

        electronics and the elementary base lagged behind by 20 years at best, even radios are already being bought in China but EWs are the best in the world! (but this isn’t accurate) ... tell me, at least in the know on which technological process the processors of no analogues in the world are produced? And are they even produced in Russia? lol

        somber not in the know. As a rule, these Telda are not closely related either to the army or to the military-industrial complex.
    6. zenion
      zenion 27 October 2019 21: 39
      -1
      In addition, it is very difficult to identify him. He can flap wings, release his paws and croak.
    7. universe1
      universe1 28 October 2019 05: 57
      +1
      Here we will defeat the kraynyak, throw it with hats.
  2. poquello
    poquello 26 October 2019 12: 53
    +4
    18km, you need some kind of electronic warfare repeater in the air to park these rku180
    1. Souchastnik
      Souchastnik 26 October 2019 13: 01
      +2
      18km, you need some kind of electronic warfare repeater in the air

      Aeronautics can be used for electronic warfare equipment. Something like a tethered balloon. They are certainly not maneuverable, an invisibility problem. But this is not the main thing in this case. Rose and hangs.
      1. poquello
        poquello 26 October 2019 13: 08
        +5
        Quote: Souchastnik
        18km, you need some kind of electronic warfare repeater in the air

        Aeronautics can be used for electronic warfare equipment. Something like a tethered balloon. They are certainly not maneuverable, an invisibility problem. But this is not the main thing in this case. Rose and hangs.

        rather, further develop end-to-end technologies so that it works IMHO it is necessary to follow it for some time
      2. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 26 October 2019 22: 46
        -12
        Quote: Souchastnik
        18km, you need some kind of electronic warfare repeater in the air

        Aeronautics can be used for electronic warfare equipment. Something like a tethered balloon. They are certainly not maneuverable, an invisibility problem. But this is not the main thing in this case. Rose and hangs.

        Do they have any?
        And how will they be controlled in the air?
        Well, there, turn the antennas in the direction of the adversary?
        in the wind?
        1. Souchastnik
          Souchastnik 27 October 2019 16: 02
          0
          There is progress. Even already in some places they were used. The cost of balloon systems is significantly lower than the F-35 and Su-57. It would be a desire, or rather, the political will of the Government and the Russian Defense Ministry.
          And how to turn the antenna at all is not a question, a technical matter. Look at the online photos and videos of Navy helicopters.
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 27 October 2019 17: 37
            -12
            Quote: Souchastnik
            There is progress. Even already in some places they were used. The cost of balloon systems is significantly lower than the F-35 and Su-57. It would be a desire, or rather, the political will of the Government and the Russian Defense Ministry.
            And how to turn the antenna at all is not a question, a technical matter. Look at the online photos and videos of Navy helicopters.

            Gyrostabilization of the antenna in the chaotic rotation of the balloon without the presence of a rigidly fixed part of the mount ...
            not a question in your opinion?

            Paint the segment of the ball in a bright color, throw it in the jacuzzi - and try to stabilize the colored segment to the side clearly to the north ..

            At the moment, this is an almost unsolvable task without the use of many stabilizing screw propellers ...
            1. Souchastnik
              Souchastnik 28 October 2019 08: 49
              0
              I will not paint anything. You have an idea of ​​aerostatic aircraft as string condoms. Thanks for communication.
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 29 October 2019 19: 57
      0
      Quote: poquello
      18km, you need some kind of electronic warfare repeater in the air to park these rku180

      the repeater will not help. Such UAVs have a narrowly oriented satellite dish, looking up (into space) at the satellite. How will you intercept the signal? Well, my, Semne Semyonitch, what are you talking about? And if you think about it before writing?
      1. poquello
        poquello 29 October 2019 20: 43
        +1
        Quote: Gregory_45
        Quote: poquello
        18km, you need some kind of electronic warfare repeater in the air to park these rku180

        the repeater will not help. Such UAVs have a narrowly oriented satellite dish, looking up (into space) at the satellite. How will you intercept the signal? Well, my, Semne Semyonitch, what are you talking about? And if you think about it before writing?

        ))))) etit, but the UAVs are finally not killable and not intercepted, with a narrowly directed antenna, then, well, mine
  3. Klingon
    Klingon 26 October 2019 12: 53
    +4
    let's see if the S-400 can grope it or within reach they will not risk flying afraid of a forced landing?
    1. poquello
      poquello 26 October 2019 12: 58
      +8
      Quote: Klingon
      let's see if the S-400 can grope it or within reach they will not risk flying afraid of a forced landing?

      destruction, s400 with a harpoon and a parachute still do not
  4. Kenxnumx
    Kenxnumx 26 October 2019 13: 06
    -11
    Krasava. At least shoot star wars with him.
    1. Sniper
      Sniper 26 October 2019 13: 37
      +16
      Ken71 (Konstantin (Russia, St. Petersburg)) Today, 13:06 PM NEW
      -5
      Krasava. At least shoot star wars with him.


      meet .. star wars director "The Krasukha-2 Electronic Warfare System has set up its supports"

      1. Kenxnumx
        Kenxnumx 26 October 2019 13: 53
        -16
        Futuristic of course.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 26 October 2019 14: 24
          +5
          Ken71, I have a question. Is the channel far from you? And then I do not know where to put a brick ...
          1. Kenxnumx
            Kenxnumx 26 October 2019 14: 30
            -9
            I did not understand about the brick. Are you very scared from the picture somewhere?
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 October 2019 18: 00
        +5
        "Krasukha 2" is already outdated, it was replaced by "Samarkand" and "Divnomorye"
  5. Operator
    Operator 26 October 2019 13: 12
    +10
    And how will the high-altitude RQ-180 with a wingspan of 40 meters shuffle off the radar of the meter range (not to mention the decameter, in which the "secret" drone will be visible at a distance of 3000 km)? laughing
    1. Good_Anonymous
      Good_Anonymous 26 October 2019 14: 59
      -3
      Quote: Operator
      in which the "secret" drone will be visible at a distance of 3000 km


      Do you know the EPR RQ-180 and the exact performance characteristics of the "decameter" station, or are you again reporting from an alternative universe?
      1. Local from the Volga
        Local from the Volga 26 October 2019 15: 07
        0
        EPR with 40 meters .... Funny ...
        1. Good_Anonymous
          Good_Anonymous 26 October 2019 15: 19
          +3
          The wingspan of the F-35A is 11m, the official EPR is "like a tennis meat." This means that the RQ-180 can have like four balls. You can laugh if you want, but remember that the Su-57 with a 14m wingspan has an official EPR of 0.3 sq.m. You can also look at the picture and see that the air intake on the RQ-180 is on top, and the belly is probably smooth. Is it still funny?
          1. Local from the Volga
            Local from the Volga 26 October 2019 15: 38
            -2
            Everything is clear with you if you multiply tennis balls!
            1. Good_Anonymous
              Good_Anonymous 26 October 2019 15: 39
              -5
              Quote: Local from the Volga
              you multiply tennis balls!


              I stack them.
          2. Tommy
            Tommy 26 October 2019 16: 33
            +7
            Quote: Good_Anonymous
            Wingspan F-35A - 11m, official EPR - "like tennis meat"

            Do not write your illiterate tales. The F-35 image intensifier is 0,3 m2. Iran has already proven that stealth does not play a big role, knocking down an American super-duper, almost invisible, with EPR = 0,000001 tennis butcherdrone RQ-4A Global Hawk.
            And here you are trying to work out your grandmothers, regularly write la-la - three rubles!
            1. Good_Anonymous
              Good_Anonymous 26 October 2019 16: 44
              -7
              Quote: Tommy
              Do not write your illiterate tales. The F-35 image intensifier is 0,3 m2.


              Give the source of your competent stories.

              Quote: Tommy
              Iran has already proved that stealth does not play a big role, knocking down an American super-duper, almost invisible, with an EPR = 0,000001 tennis ball


              More delirium, more - it will be even more convincing.

              Quote: Tommy
              And here you are trying to work out your money


              Oops, you guessed it. Now we have to ... well, you understand.
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          3. sivuch
            sivuch 27 October 2019 09: 53
            +3
            This is not an official EPR, by the way, such a definition does not exist. There is a minimum EPR, a minimum averaged, EPR from a certain angle, etc. And so - for each range.
            About comparisons with a tennis ball, as well as with birds and insects, D. Fulgum from the Aviation Leaks and Space mythology wrote.
            For Russian meter stations, the ESR will be less than for aircraft of the same size without stealth technology, but relatively little - less than an order of magnitude. But for decameter EPR it will be equal to the same nestels
            1. Good_Anonymous
              Good_Anonymous 27 October 2019 13: 38
              -2
              Quote: sivuch
              This is not an official EPR, by the way, such a definition does not exist. There is a minimum EPR, a minimum averaged, EPR from a certain angle


              Did you really not understand that the "official EPR" is the "only officially published EPR"? There is no physical sense in formality.

              Quote: sivuch
              For Russian meter stations, the ESR will be less than for aircraft of the same size without stealth technology, but relatively little - less than an order of magnitude


              The work of the meter P-18 on the stealth was demonstrated in Yugoslavia - the only plane shot down at a distance of 13 km. The S-400 has centimeter radars.

              Quote: sivuch
              But for decameter EPR it will be equal to the same nestels


              Are you saying that any methods for lowering RCS are powerless against decameter radars? Because the EPR of "nestles" differ, if not by orders of magnitude, then at times.
              1. sivuch
                sivuch 27 October 2019 14: 32
                +3
                Namely, in order to bring down an aircraft at a distance of 13 km, it is necessary to detect at a distance of more than 20 km.
                Despite the fact that the P-18 radar was far from the farthest looking of the meter radar, and even then it was ancient, like the waste of a mammoth. This is not to mention the other factors affecting range.
                detection.
                S-400 never works on its own, at least it shouldn't. ACS and KSA were invented for this purpose in order to transmit the RL and RTR situation. In extreme cases, the radar can be attached to the self-defense system.
                Exactly . = Nestels. The ESR of Nestels differ significantly in the cm range, where they depend on the conjugation of planes, luminous points, etc. For decameter waves, a blank just flies.
                1. Good_Anonymous
                  Good_Anonymous 27 October 2019 16: 09
                  -2
                  Quote: sivuch
                  to bring down an airplane at a distance of 13 km, it is necessary to detect at a distance of more than 20 km.


                  Calculations on napkins: 1) a rocket shot down an aircraft at a distance of 13 km 2) max. speed F-117 - 305m / s (1100km / h) 3) max. S-125 rocket speed - 730m / s; we believe that from detection to defeat, the F-117 moved at maximum speed, and the rocket reached maximum speed instantly. Then from the start to the defeat 13000/730. == 17.8s, during this time the F-117 overcame 17.8 * 305 == 5429m. If we assume that the start occurred immediately after detection, it turns out that the detection occurred on 13 + 5.4 == 18.4km. If we assume that the detection occurred 3-4 seconds before launch, add another kilometer - we get 19.6km. The calculation, of course, is very rough, but I do not see significant errors.

                  Quote: sivuch
                  S-400 never works on its own


                  Never mind. Even if the search area is informed about the complex, its detection and guidance radars are centimeter, so discussions about EPR in the meter / decameter ranges simply do not apply to the S-400.

                  Quote: sivuch
                  Exactly


                  What exactly"? When answering, quote what you are responding to.
                  1. sivuch
                    sivuch 27 October 2019 17: 05
                    0
                    In vain a napkin ruined
                    1. Good_Anonymous
                      Good_Anonymous 27 October 2019 17: 07
                      -1
                      Quote: sivuch
                      In vain a napkin ruined


                      No, your answer fully paid for it.
                      1. sivuch
                        sivuch 27 October 2019 21: 55
                        +3
                        Well now there is a little time. I'll try in order. First of all, after SOTSK finds a goal, it is necessary to carry out auto-tracking using SNR or TV, and this process is not instantaneous at all and again depends on many factors. and only after taking on the A / S does preparation for launch begin - a U-turn and other manipulations. Therefore, your calculations are, sorry, a deed of Filka
                        Further, it may surprise you, but the centimeter can detect subtle targets at considerable distances. To do this, the radar should know where to look, for example, in a solid angle of 1X1 degrees. Accordingly, signal accumulation is many times faster.
                        namely, it means that for decameter waves the EPR will be equal to a conventional aircraft.
                      2. Good_Anonymous
                        Good_Anonymous 28 October 2019 00: 08
                        -3
                        Quote: sivuch
                        First of all, after SOTSK finds a goal, it is necessary to carry out auto tracking using SNR or TV and this process is not instant


                        I don’t know how it happens on S-125, but this is a quick process - detection, capture, tracking. I did not understand about TV - it seems that there is no television channel in either S-125 or S-400.

                        Quote: sivuch
                        centimeter can detect inconspicuous targets at considerable distances.


                        Nobody argues with this. But there is always a threshold for the EPR of the target, below which the station will not see it, despite all the tricks with the accumulation of the signal. And stealth allows the target to stay longer under this threshold.

                        Quote: sivuch
                        Therefore, your calculations are, sorry, a deed of Filka


                        From what you have stated, "Filka's letter" in my calculation is only a delay in being taken for escort. It really comes from the ceiling. But, on the other hand, it is not difficult to estimate the upper limit of the range: the station (according to Dani) could operate for 28 seconds, suppose that the plane was detected immediately, and the rocket was fired just before the radar was turned off. So, from detection to defeat passed 28 + 17 == 45sec. In 45 seconds, the F-117 will overcome at maximum speed 45 * 305 == 13725m; at the time of the defeat, he was at a distance of 13 km, which means that he was discovered at 26.7km. In reality, judging by the description of the battle, the plane wasn’t immediately discovered, and it certainly didn’t go at maximum speed, so the range was less.

                        Quote: sivuch
                        that for decameter waves, the EPR will be equal to a conventional aircraft.


                        Neither dispersion nor radar absorbing materials work. OK.
                      3. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 28 October 2019 02: 33
                        +3
                        Gentlemen Sivuch и Anonymus, in your dispute you rely on technical characteristics, missing such a variable as tactics. In a specific case with a shot down of -117, the Americans were punished for violating the basics of tactics: they are several DAYS !!! flew along one route. The optical channel also played a role: -125 were modernized with the participation of the French.
                      4. sivuch
                        sivuch 28 October 2019 09: 38
                        0
                        Sorry, but I seem to have written several times - the goblin was shot down on the third night. We did not manage to collect any statistics during this time. And, since they shot down at 9 in the evening, the TV was out of business - they took the usual CHP-125 to A / S. By the way, there were no thermal imagers on the battery of Zoltan Dani.
                      5. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 28 October 2019 09: 44
                        +3
                        Good morning, the Americans themselves admit a puncture in tactics. This surfaced after the 'debriefing', the children from their planning shared their impressions.
                      6. sivuch
                        sivuch 28 October 2019 10: 28
                        0
                        Honestly, I do not have data on the reaction time of S-125, before that I was not particularly interested in it, but there is information on the Wasp and the Circle. If you want, I’ll bring it.
                        The TV sight was on the Wasp and on the Circle and on the S-125 almost the same. Carat was called.
                        Radar absorbing materials for the decameter range?
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    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 26 October 2019 22: 59
      -11
      Quote: Operator
      And how will the high-altitude RQ-180 with a wingspan of 40 meters shuffle off the radar of the meter range (not to mention the decameter, in which the "secret" drone will be visible at a distance of 3000 km)? laughing


      And we have a lot in service with the radar with a decameter range. able to give target designation?
      1. sivuch
        sivuch 27 October 2019 09: 56
        +2
        Do you seriously don’t understand that a decameter radar shouldn’t give a DU?
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 27 October 2019 10: 31
          -13
          Quote: sivuch
          Do you seriously don’t understand that a decameter radar shouldn’t give a DU?

          I understand that.
          So I want to get an explanation of the wording from the Alternative Operator how the decameter radar will help in terms of "landing a secret drone" ...
      2. Operator
        Operator 27 October 2019 12: 51
        0
        Decameter radars are not required much


        Plus one-meter radar - stationary "Resonance-N" and mobile "Sky-M", the radio horizon of which for targets at an altitude of 18 km is 550 km.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 27 October 2019 14: 48
          +1
          This new RQ 180 bullshit compared to this
          in 2025 they promise mass production than we will bring it down if it has a ceiling of up to 50 kilometers.
          1. Operator
            Operator 27 October 2019 16: 02
            -1
            The United States has nothing - they have atmospheric anti-aircraft missiles reaching up to 30 km, and transatmospheric anti-missiles work with 130 km.

            We have tested C-500 to intercept hypersonic air targets.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 27 October 2019 19: 05
              0
              Actually, the SM 6 missiles work up to heights of 40 kilometers
        2. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 27 October 2019 18: 43
          -11
          Quote: Operator
          Decameter radars are not required much


          Plus one-meter radar - stationary "Resonance-N" and mobile "Sky-M", the radio horizon of which for targets at an altitude of 18 km is 550 km.



          And?
          how will ZGRLS help with the occurrence of a flight along the border of the Kaliningrad region at the entrance to space in the Gusev region?
  6. Klingon
    Klingon 26 October 2019 13: 15
    +2
    Quote: poquello
    Quote: Klingon
    let's see if the S-400 can grope it or within reach they will not risk flying afraid of a forced landing?

    destruction, s400 with a harpoon and a parachute still do not

    double sarcasm of a colleague) * forcefully land * - bring down and * land * literally with the help of electronic warfare))
    1. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 26 October 2019 15: 06
      -6
      double sarcasm of a colleague) * forcefully land * - bring down and * land * literally with the help of electronic warfare))

      Very interesting, how are you going to land UAVs through electronic warfare? I’m burning straight from curiosity!
      If you forget the communication channel, it will just take it and fly home.
      1. bayard
        bayard 26 October 2019 22: 26
        +4
        Several ways, including an altimeter, a communication channel can be intercepted, but nevertheless, such a serious technique must be brought down - so rather.
        And there is something to do.
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 26 October 2019 22: 37
          -11
          Several ways, including Altimeter, communication channel can be intercepted

          To seize control through a radio altimeter? How?..

          but still such a serious technique must be brought down - so rather.

          Naturally!
          1. bayard
            bayard 26 October 2019 22: 42
            +3
            Quote: Jack O'Neill
            To seize control through a radio altimeter? How?..

            You scare me with such a fantasy belay By acting on the altimeter, you can make it go down and even land (if it’s horrible) with luck, and if you intercept the control channel, you can send it to your landing or simply fire it with available air defense systems.
            But it’s better to shoot down, and do it by aviation.
            1. Jack O'Neill
              Jack O'Neill 26 October 2019 23: 13
              -7
              You scare me with such a fantasy belay By acting on the altimeter, you can make it go down and even land

              To "deceive" the radio altimeter in such a way, it is necessary to substitute something directly under it. You cannot easily interrupt a low-frequency signal.
              Also, such radio altimeters are protected from false information (Kalman filter).
              Also, do not forget about the barometric altimeter, which works together with a radio altimeter.
              And if, for example, you somehow fool all this stuff, then you simply break the device, but you can’t control it.
              1. bayard
                bayard 26 October 2019 23: 47
                +3
                I suggested to intercept precisely the MANAGEMENT CHANNEL. And you can only bring down the altimeter, which is easier to do with the CR.
                1. Jack O'Neill
                  Jack O'Neill 27 October 2019 00: 39
                  -6
                  I suggested to intercept precisely the MANAGEMENT CHANNEL.

                  1. You need to know the frequency
                  2. Decrypt traffic
                  3. Actually fake traffic signal
                  It is possible, but very unlikely. Easier to knock, much easier.
                  The operator who needs to take control of the device also needs to be directly above the receiver in order to actually interrupt the real signal.
                  Either the operator must fly directly above the device, or sit on top of it.
                  The same thing, by the way, with the Kyrgyz Republic.

                  And you can only bring down the altimeter, which is easier to do with the CR.

                  I would not say that it is easier ...
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 27 October 2019 00: 43
                    +3
                    Quote: Jack O'Neill

                    1. You need to know the frequency
                    2. Decrypt traffic
                    3. Actually fake traffic signal

                    yes
                    Quote: Jack O'Neill
                    And you can only bring down the altimeter, which is easier to do with the CR.

                    I would not say that it is easier ...

                    And nevertheless, fell down. yes
                    Tested in Syria and the guys are well-trained wink
                    1. Good_Anonymous
                      Good_Anonymous 27 October 2019 13: 47
                      -2
                      Quote: bayard
                      And you can only bring down the altimeter, which is easier to do with the CR.

                      I would not say that it is easier ...

                      And nevertheless, fell down. yes


                      Was the CD in Syria brought down by "influencing the altimeter"? smile
                      1. bayard
                        bayard 27 October 2019 15: 29
                        +1
                        Have you seen photos of landing rockets?
                        On the terrain?
                        They practically sat on their belly (where the terrain was flat) ... The conclusion about the reason for such a neat landing is mine. Official confirmations are unlikely to be. The rest is a matter of faith.
                      2. Good_Anonymous
                        Good_Anonymous 27 October 2019 15: 32
                        -3
                        Quote: bayard
                        Have you seen photos of landing rockets?
                        On the terrain?


                        No. I am also not familiar with the information about the capture of "landed missiles". Will there be "official confirmations" or not?
                      3. bayard
                        bayard 27 October 2019 17: 17
                        +1
                        A number of photographs of the missiles that landed were officially presented, and officially, all news channels (and on our website too) reported that these missiles in a number of several copies were sent to Moscow for study. Among the wreckage were and ... here's the same language to distort ... "ELRASM" - if in Russian letters that were launched from B-1B.
                        So with altimeters, and with control channel algorithms it will now become easier to understand, the trophy is irreplaceable.
                      4. Good_Anonymous
                        Good_Anonymous 27 October 2019 17: 57
                        -4
                        Quote: bayard
                        A series of photos of landing rockets were officially presented.


                        Officially, it wasn’t.

                        Quote: bayard
                        Among the wreckage were and ... here's the same language to distort ... "ELRASM"


                        Well, at least not "Aurora". And not the Waverider.
                      5. SovAr238A
                        SovAr238A 27 October 2019 18: 46
                        -11
                        Quote: bayard
                        A number of photographs of the missiles that landed were officially presented, and officially, all news channels (and on our website too) reported that these missiles in a number of several copies were sent to Moscow for study. Among the wreckage were and ... here's the same language to distort ... "ELRASM" - if in Russian letters that were launched from B-1B.
                        So with altimeters, and with control channel algorithms it will now become easier to understand, the trophy is irreplaceable.


                        Well stop lying then ...

                        Here is the official statement from the General Staff.

                        Debris shot down in Syria missiles flew to Moscow
                        Missiles delivered through the territory of Syria by the US coalition and not reaching the target delivered to Moscow. This was reported by RIA Novosti with reference to a statement by the Chief of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, Colonel General Sergei Rudsky.

                        “Two of them, including the Tomahawk cruise missile and high-precision aircraft missile, were delivered to Moscow,” Rudskoy said. Missiles and their fragments were demonstrated by the Ministry of Defense during a briefing.

                        “Fragments of cruise missiles found in these areas of interception have characteristic holes from the damaging elements of anti-aircraft guided missiles. On the nodes and assemblies there are marks with serial numbers, dates and manufacturers, and other data. Specialists will be able to easily identify the affiliation of these fragments. You can watch some of them at the presented exposition. At the end of the briefing, you will be given the opportunity to familiarize yourself with it in more detail, ”said Rudskoy.
                      6. bayard
                        bayard 27 October 2019 19: 04
                        +1
                        Well, what have you refuted here?
                        What downed missiles were taken to Moscow?
                        So I wrote about that.
                        Or that they were hit by air defense, and not by electronic warfare?
                        So who is broadcasting loudly about such things?
                        Or do you think that EW was inactive?
                        So Israel itself has repeatedly complained that the GPS navigation is regularly disrupted and false coordinates climb, it interferes with civil aviation flights, etc.
                        Did not hear ?
                        So what is the argument?
                        And google the photos themselves, they were in the assortment and very interesting.
                      7. SovAr238A
                        SovAr238A 27 October 2019 20: 15
                        -10
                        Quote: bayard
                        Well, what have you refuted here?
                        What downed missiles were taken to Moscow?
                        So I wrote about that.
                        Or that they were hit by air defense, and not by electronic warfare?
                        So who is broadcasting loudly about such things?
                        Or do you think that EW was inactive?
                        So Israel itself has repeatedly complained that the GPS navigation is regularly disrupted and false coordinates climb, it interferes with civil aviation flights, etc.
                        Did not hear ?
                        So what is the argument?
                        And google the photos themselves, they were in the assortment and very interesting.


                        I ask you only about one thing.
                        Allocate half an hour-hour of your time to study the TERCOM system.
                        How does she work?
                        What has changed over the past 30 years in this segment.
                        What
                        TERCOM - Terrain Contour Matching
                        WAGE-Wide Area GPS Enhancement
                        CRPA - Controlled Reception Pattern Antenna
                        DSMAC - Digital Scene Matching Area Correlator
                        JTIDS / Link-16

                        and the rest.
                        After all, this will take you all the hour.
                        But you will become much more knowledgeable in this matter.
                        And you will stop talking nonsense about landing. with the help of electronic warfare.
                        Find some answers.
                        After all, almost 40 missiles found their goals, and why did the almighty EW not interfere with them?

                        But all the missiles were flying in pairs of launch areas ...
                        Learn to ask uncomfortable questions and look for uncomfortable ones. but the answers.
                        After all, only this moves its science and its defense.
                        Answers to uncomfortable questions.



                        And yes about the GPS and complaints from Israel - were there at least some official reports?
                        Or just articles in Topwar from some unknown sources?
                        Topvar - steel prohibitively yellow after registration in Yandex.Zen.
                        Topvar has prohibitively icteric headlines that bring here thousands of views and give a ton of money to the owners of the site.
                        By the way. Do you know who owns the site and where is the server for this site?
                      8. bayard
                        bayard 27 October 2019 21: 44
                        +1
                        Quote: SovAr238A

                        And yes about the GPS and complaints from Israel - were there at least some official reports?

                        I don’t read Israeli periodicals ... well, sometimes translated ... It’s hard for you to find any links, but your compatriot - the brigadier general and the former head of one of the types of intelligence Y. Kedmi - has repeatedly spoken about this. Do you not believe him either?
                        But this is a competent source.
                        Or accusations of the leadership of the NATO of Russia that during the exercises in the region of Norway, the interference created by our EW allegedly led to the disruption of the exercises and the accident of one of the NATO ships ... But in your opinion, this is absolutely not possible.
                        I must upset you - it is POSSIBLE.
                      9. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 28 October 2019 02: 48
                        +4
                        Quote: SovAr238A
                        And yes about the GPS and complaints from Israel - were there at least some official reports?

                        They heard about NOTAM, there look, it's quite an official, and not even a Russian, source. Gps malfunction warnings themselves are not uncommon, but they appeared after deployment in the eastern Mediterranean region. in Khimki
                      10. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 28 October 2019 02: 40
                        +4
                        Quote: Good_Anonymous
                        I am also not familiar with the information about the capture of "landed missiles". Will there be "official confirmations" or not?
                        An anecdote will do: missing KR soon appeared in Dagestan with broken numbers and repainted fellow
                    2. SovAr238A
                      SovAr238A 27 October 2019 17: 50
                      -13
                      Quote: bayard


                      And nevertheless, fell down. yes
                      Tested in Syria and the guys are well-trained wink


                      They didn’t bring the RC using the altimeter - is it simply impossible when the rocket goes along the Terkom and will not pay attention to changing the picture, but will pay attention to the changing values ​​of the altimeter?
                      do you yourself understand how TERKOM works?
                      Stop flogging nonsense - it hurts ...
                      KR can be drowned and landed - but never work with an altimeter above the earth’s surface ....
                      1. bayard
                        bayard 27 October 2019 18: 15
                        +1
                        Blessed are those who are nonsense friends
                        Those who are full of pity for her

                        "Interrupt" the GPS navigation, give a false topographic reference, bring the attacking CDs to a safe area and drop them by hammering the altimeter (for example, from an electronic warfare aircraft or helicopter, from a position "above the target" with a more powerful signal). Many people previously thought that interference did not work on a directional antenna, but the exercises showed that the power is more and everything is clogged - through the side lobes and due to reflection from surfaces and other objects.
                        But in your opinion, it will still be "" Tomahawks themselves fell and at the same time hit everywhere. " But they didn't get ANYWHERE AT ALL.
                        In that raid - ANYWHERE.
                        And the destruction that you were shown - this is so as not to shoot themselves from despair ... in general ... imitation of certain "hits" by undermining unnecessary ones on their own.
                      2. SovAr238A
                        SovAr238A 27 October 2019 18: 58
                        -11
                        Quote: bayard
                        Blessed are those who are nonsense friends
                        Those who are full of pity for her

                        "Interrupt" the GPS navigation, give a false topographic reference, bring the attacking CDs to a safe area and drop them by hammering the altimeter (for example, from an electronic warfare aircraft or helicopter, from a position "above the target" with a more powerful signal). Many people previously thought that interference did not work on a directional antenna, but the exercises showed that the power is more and everything is clogged - through the side lobes and due to reflection from surfaces and other objects.
                        But in your opinion, it will still be "" Tomahawks themselves fell and at the same time hit everywhere. " But they didn't get ANYWHERE AT ALL.
                        In that raid - ANYWHERE.
                        And the destruction that you were shown - this is so as not to shoot themselves from despair ... in general ... imitation of certain "hits" by undermining unnecessary ones on their own.


                        Work only with an altimeter - effective only against long-range long-range NURS.
                        Only for them a pair of electronic warfare devices was created, working to replace the altimeter value.
                        For on the NURS, no one put expensive two-medium height sensors then.

                        You are. you think. that the Kyrgyz Republic has the same stupid guidance system.

                        Well turn on the damn mind.
                        Finally read about the operation of the TERCOM system ..
                        Finally, think about why the Americans, that we, built a bunch of prohibitively expensive satellites, only for detailed mapping of the area.
                        And we continue to build and run them to update the data.
                        Which then fall into the flight task preparation system.

                        They and they spend billions of dollars.
                        For these purposes

                        And then what, all these attempts were in vain. just by mixing the altimeter radio signal?

                        You yourself are not funny?

                        You hold all fools?

                        Believe me, if one specific person holds for fools everyone else - then what is wrong with this person?
                      3. bayard
                        bayard 27 October 2019 19: 31
                        +5
                        A young man, if you know / have heard about the positioning system, this does not mean that visitors to such a specialized site do not know about it, often people with a military background and a good Soviet education. The military.
                        By the nature of the "landing" of the "Tomahawks" in the photographs published immediately after the incident and not observing visible damage from the striking elements on them, I immediately assumed that the altimeter had failed. For a CD that flies at an altitude of 30-50 m, such a failure would be fatal to a high degree. The exchange of opinion with my former colleagues only confirmed me in this thought, after all, we are still specialists in radar and it is precisely such goals that are our profile ...
                        But of course, the impact on the radio altimeter (a barometric altimeter can duplicate only with a more or less decent change in altitude, not tens of meters) is far from the only method of struggle. Disrupting the global positioning system ... for a long time has not been particularly difficult for the RF Armed Forces' electronic warfare systems - there have been cases when American ships saw themselves on land, deep beyond the coastline. Remember the violation of the work of GMP in Moscow in the Kremlin region ... Disorienting the KR in flight by giving it a false topographic location has not been difficult for a long time. But it requires some effort.
                        Study the topic of the question and do not be amazed by your pressure. Channel your efforts to broaden your horizons; there are all the possibilities for this. Go ahead.
                      4. bayard
                        bayard 27 October 2019 19: 35
                        +4
                        And yes, in some of the photographs there were indeed traces of the destructive elements on the rocket debris, but I made conclusions about the nature of the electronic warfare equipment used based on those of which there were no such traces. Those. there were both interceptions by air defense and electronic warfare systems, especially since the attack came from different angles, from different carriers and different types of missile defense.
                      5. SovAr238A
                        SovAr238A 27 October 2019 20: 28
                        -12
                        Quote: bayard
                        And yes, in some of the photographs there were indeed traces of the destructive elements on the rocket debris, but I made conclusions about the nature of the electronic warfare equipment used based on those of which there were no such traces. Those. there were both interceptions by air defense and electronic warfare systems, especially since the attack came from different angles, from different carriers and different types of missile defense.


                        And how many types of missiles were there?
                        Well do not bother ...
                        Yours is ambiguous.

                        I only know 2 missiles that were on strike at

                        I saw the same thing.
                        And he worked on both NK and 18, enough to understand what an affected rocket is and what a fallen rocket is.
                        About some ships, about the Kremlin.

                        But who will let you do this in Syria.
                        Such things work at a distance of less than 50 kilometers.
                        in the best case, only 30.

                        Go learn the materiel.
                        And do not try to blame on the universal knowledge of your supposedly former siblings.

                        Al-Shaikat - was completely disabled.
                        As if there the next day, a pair of fighters took off.
                        They just landed and took off.
                        and the activity of the base was completely destroyed
                        And only 8 missiles were shot down. but 2 landed "none.

                        So I ask you - study TERKOM.
                      6. bayard
                        bayard 27 October 2019 21: 48
                        +3
                        Don’t be so upset, maybe next time you’ll be lucky. wink
                      7. SovAr238A
                        SovAr238A 27 October 2019 19: 02
                        -12
                        Quote: bayard

                        But in your opinion, it will still be "" Tomahawks themselves fell and at the same time hit everywhere. " But they didn't get ANYWHERE AT ALL.
                        In that raid - ANYWHERE.


                        Figase ...
                        The entire air base was completely destroyed.
                        all infrastructure, all hangars, all decoupling of energy and fuel supply.

                        One strip is partially whole.

                        You probably still think. that only a soldier is fighting.

                        And all these cooks, physicians, and other logistics personnel - canine horseradish.
                        So.
                        Any soldier in a modern war, without the service of the rear and support, has a life span of no more than 48 hours.
                        That's all.
                        Learn to think not with spherical horses in a vacuum, but with real systems.

                        Apparently you do not realize that the "house" may be worth it.
                        But there is no electricity in it, there is no water supply, there is no gas supply, there is no sewage.
                        the stairs are broken and the elevators are broken.
                        The windows are broken.

                        Is this house residential in your opinion?
                        Apparently, yes!
                        You probably don’t have an understanding of what infrastructure and activities are.
                      8. bayard
                        bayard 27 October 2019 19: 45
                        +3
                        Blessed is he who believes in the picture, screen, speaker and word ...
                        I will not betray a "terrible military secret", but all that destruction is props and staging ...
                        The missiles flew past, but in order not to upset the partners too much ... everyone was shown a picture of "terrible destruction".
                      9. SovAr238A
                        SovAr238A 27 October 2019 20: 28
                        -12
                        Quote: bayard
                        Blessed is he who believes in the picture, screen, speaker and word ...
                        I will not betray a "terrible military secret", but all that destruction is props and staging ...
                        The missiles flew past, but in order not to upset the partners too much ... everyone was shown a picture of "terrible destruction".


                        Do not carry nonsense ...
                      10. bayard
                        bayard 27 October 2019 21: 54
                        +3
                        Do not be upset.
                        True sometimes heals ...
                        ... sometimes smile
                    3. Jack O'Neill
                      Jack O'Neill 28 October 2019 00: 39
                      -2
                      And nevertheless, fell down. yes
                      Checked in Syria and the guys had a good workout wink

                      Shoot down an UAV is not the hardest task. It is to bring down, physically, SAM, for example.
                      But through the altimeter - not ...
                      1. bayard
                        bayard 28 October 2019 01: 13
                        +1
                        Stay longer in your blissful confidence.
                      2. Jack O'Neill
                        Jack O'Neill 28 October 2019 01: 43
                        -2
                        Stay longer in your blissful confidence.

                        No, I’d better consider that the electronic warfare can be planted UAV. What is it - destroy the planet!
                        After all, if you turn on electronic warfare, then the stove (gas) will not work, and therefore not even make eggs.
  7. svoit
    svoit 26 October 2019 13: 32
    +4
    That is, if it replaces the SR-71, then it must have a height of 30 km and a speed of 3.5M, otherwise it will be able to bring down the BUK
    1. bayard
      bayard 26 October 2019 22: 31
      +3
      У
      Quote: svoit
      SR-71,

      maximum height - 24 km. , working - 20 - 22 km. , cruising speed (supersonic) - 2500 - 2700 km \ h, maximum - 3200 km \ h (at 3400 km \ h - a record).
      By the way, U-2 having a subsonic speed, the ceiling had 24 km.
  8. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 26 October 2019 13: 32
    +5
    intended for reconnaissance in areas with restricted and prohibited access and maneuver (A2 / AD)
    But who will let him fly freely in such zones? poorly believed in stealth with a 18-meter scale, the XNUMX-kilometer ceiling from a more or less serious air defense is not a panacea, we’ll reach the interceptor .. they were too smart or just said about the boasting about flying in closed areas .. the alleged image is certainly beautiful ..
    1. bayard
      bayard 26 October 2019 22: 35
      +4
      If a scout, such a height is needed for a wider coverage of the enemy’s territory when flying over neutral waters along the border or barrage in the airspace of a neighboring state. The higher, the greater the depth of intelligence. Global Hawk is also 17-18 km high.
  9. Redline
    Redline 26 October 2019 13: 49
    -2
    Krasava resembles a drone from a skyline movie
    1. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 26 October 2019 14: 50
      -3
      You are more careful. Me for the beauty 10 minuses slapped :))))
  10. gvozdan
    gvozdan 26 October 2019 13: 57
    +5
    So secret that we ourselves don’t know what it is. Given how the United States promotes its new technology, it is very difficult to believe in the secrecy of appearance
  11. evgen1221
    evgen1221 26 October 2019 14: 00
    -2
    Interesting machine.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 26 October 2019 14: 29
      +2
      Quote: evgen1221
      Interesting machine.

      Are you an aircraft modeller?
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 26 October 2019 17: 11
        +3
        Not even that, and that the device has become of little interest from this in itself as a technique ?. If you’re not interested, mademoiselle, you don’t have to write down the comments with minuses, for which I don’t need a word from the word at all.
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          1. Russia
            Russia 26 October 2019 18: 11
            +8
            While we were serving, this wanderer across Europe was wandering around, the major of the Bundeswehr, according to him, during the dispute, put his Walter to the very nose in his nostril; to us in Russia.
        2. Masha
          Masha 26 October 2019 18: 31
          +7
          Quote: Observer2014
          And this Slavik has his own security department.

          It's just interesting ... I see, you, all the ins and outs know, maybe from the former?
          They don’t like traitors anywhere ....
          They look bad there and badly accept here ...
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        3. Leopold
          Leopold 26 October 2019 18: 33
          +5
          Seryozha, are you sure that you blurted out? As far as I remember there forever banned Svarog51 distinguished himself. Glory there is generally no side. And Pasha from Belarus cannot decide anyone’s fate. Sorted through, or what?
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                1. Leopold
                  Leopold 27 October 2019 18: 42
                  +6
                  Napoleon Bonaparte said that large battalions were winning. If you want to live alone - do not blame that they ate you. Law of nature. People are a society. A person is welcomed, but not as a separate individual, but as a part of society. Then do it or not - it turns out to be a complete seam. As in the army - did not fit into the team or crew - to be an outcast to you. yes
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                    1. Leopold
                      Leopold 27 October 2019 19: 22
                      +7
                      In principle, I’m equally divided, if you want to conquer the world alone, or join a company. You decide. This has long been studied, but every new individual is trying to refute it. I do not mind, go ahead. When you run into the wall with your horn - do not be shy, tell us why it happened.
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  12. kventinasd
    kventinasd 26 October 2019 14: 12
    +2
    intended for reconnaissance in areas with restricted and prohibited access and maneuver (A2 / AD)

    Did they again decide to scare the Papuans with their invisibility or again another cut of the budget?
    About the almighty Patriots, the world has already heard laughing
  13. Livonetc
    Livonetc 26 October 2019 14: 41
    +5
    Introduced a wingspan of 40 meters
    Well this is how to transport it
    Well, maybe he’ll fly from place to place.
    There shouldn’t be any problems with take-off.
    It’s not easy to build a hangar at the front airfield for such a sweeping bird.
    Although, in principle, you can just cover the camouflage net.
    But still.
    Dimensions for the drone seem too big.
    Hanging for 24 hours in the air is certainly a good indicator.
    But can it be possible to do with smaller devices with less time spent in the air?
    Indeed, there are less risks.
    A small reconnaissance drone in case of loss means less damage ..
    If you look from the side of being in the rear of the enemy, this is generally not adequate.
    They will bring down such a goal much earlier than their purely flying capabilities allow them to fly.
    In general, we are waiting for additional information, it will appear over time.
    While the device is incomprehensible.
    Although it is interesting in appearance and the dimensions are impressive.
    1. Good_Anonymous
      Good_Anonymous 26 October 2019 15: 12
      -8
      Quote: Livonetc
      But can it be possible to do with smaller devices with less time spent in the air?


      A larger drone will fit more equipment. And the point is in price, not in size, and not even in basing on front-line airfields. The U-2 also has a large wingspan (but less than the RQ-180), and the SR-71 could only seem to base on two bases.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 October 2019 18: 06
      +3
      The RQ 180 is most likely a replacement for the RQ-4A Global Hawk and all of its parameters exceed those of the previous model.
  14. Igluxnumx
    Igluxnumx 26 October 2019 15: 00
    +1
    I remember in urgent, so in 1978 we calculated SR-71 with the help of an old woman P-12 Dessert. So there is a net for this new Pribluda.
  15. fa2998
    fa2998 26 October 2019 15: 51
    -8
    Quote: Valery Valery
    Good drone. But

    But such articles in Russia do not need to be published, for moral health. Friends-partners-potential opponents ALREADY put into service the 3rd generation UAVs and fighters of the 5th generation — we only have pictures, models, experimental samples, etc.
    It is not necessary to recall the proverb that we harness for a long time, that their aircraft have flaws and so on. There is a failure lag, we will catch up with 1-2 generations (in negligible amounts) hi
  16. Klingon
    Klingon 26 October 2019 16: 06
    +2
    Quote: Jack O'Neill
    double sarcasm of a colleague) * forcefully land * - bring down and * land * literally with the help of electronic warfare))

    Very interesting, how are you going to land UAVs through electronic warfare? I’m burning straight from curiosity!
    If you forget the communication channel, it will just take it and fly home.

    I should not think about it, but specialists in electronic warfare, ask them tricky questions, but I’m sure that such funds are available.
    1. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 26 October 2019 18: 07
      -8
      I should not think about it, but specialists in electronic warfare, ask them tricky questions, but I’m sure that such funds are available.

      What "means"? Press a button and the UAV will sit in your backyard? This does not happen, especially with electronic warfare. Electronic warfare is generally a different jungle.
      I’m sure that there are green men too, but this does not mean that they really exist.
      You have a rich imagination, like most people in VO who have heard the cherished three-letter word - "REB".
      And one cupcake proved to me that they say my processor is not protected from electronic warfare and can be easily drowned.
      This is from the same sandbox as "to land the UAV through electronic warfare. The same as drinking soup with a fork."
      Although there are those who have EW and the Sun can repay ...
      That's all my authority ...
  17. Observer2014
    Observer2014 26 October 2019 16: 20
    -10
    Presumably, the RQ-180 with a fuselage length of 10 meters has a wingspan of 40 meters. The main mission is to conduct reconnaissance in the face of opposition from the enemy, which has a developed air defense and air force system. It was claimed that they could be in the air for 24 hours at an altitude of up to 18 km.
    Serious thing. Very serious. Most likely the time spent in the air is very underestimated. A very serious device hi
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 26 October 2019 17: 39
      -5
      Observer 2014 (Sergey) -5
      And here is my confirmation of my words. Only a comment at the end of the article and instantly -5. At us Pasha and Slavik decide who is right and who is not?
    2. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 28 October 2019 12: 42
      0
      Serious thing. Very serious. Most likely the time spent in the air is very underestimated. A very serious device

      Name at least one parameter of performance characteristics to assert "On the seriousness" of the device. Hoping for a freebie, for a plus?
  18. Snigir
    Snigir 26 October 2019 17: 23
    -3
    Cool device hi
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 October 2019 18: 08
      0
      In technical terms - anyway.
  19. Klingon
    Klingon 26 October 2019 18: 13
    0
    Quote: Jack O'Neill
    I should not think about it, but specialists in electronic warfare, ask them tricky questions, but I’m sure that such funds are available.

    What "means"? Press a button and the UAV will sit in your backyard? This does not happen, especially with electronic warfare. Electronic warfare is generally a different jungle.
    I’m sure that there are green men too, but this does not mean that they really exist.
    You have a rich imagination, like most people in VO who have heard the cherished three-letter word - "REB".
    And one cupcake proved to me that they say my processor is not protected from electronic warfare and can be easily drowned.
    This is from the same sandbox as "to land the UAV through electronic warfare. The same as drinking soup with a fork."
    Although there are those who have EW and the Sun can repay ...
    That's all my authority ...

    here you can tear and throw for an arbitrarily long time)) I will remain with my opinion. Yes, I'm not special in this matter, not my profile, BUT! (without urya- patriotism)). If the Iranians managed to plant Sentinel, then ours I think can work just as well. Means of interception are available, and if they can’t be planted, then they will bring down nafig (as it used to be Yu-tu) and it’s the end
    1. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 26 October 2019 22: 36
      -11
      Sentinel managed to plant, ours I think can work just as well

      Well, of course, because the Iranians said so. But why think what means Iran seized control of the UAV through a secure channel, because it is so simple to believe ...
      Why are we building UAVs if some kind of a la Zimbabwe can intercept them?
      I can imagine how an Iranian flies on a jetpack directly above the UAV (knowing the frequencies in advance) decrypts the signal and simulates it directly to the UAV transmitter / receiver.
      No, well, REN TV is resting here ...

      Means of interception are available, and if they can’t be planted, then they will bring down nafig (as it used to be Yu-tu) and it’s the end

      So what are the means of interception?
      You yourself write that you do not know which ones, but you are sure that they are.
      Shoot down, yes - no problem, they will do so, and not try to dance with a tambourine.
  20. Tusv
    Tusv 26 October 2019 18: 17
    0
    The main mission is to conduct reconnaissance in the face of opposition from the enemy, which has a developed air defense and air force system. The possibility of being in the air for 24 hours at an altitude of up to 18 km was stated.

    Shoot this fuck up right away. am Here's another 24 hours on duty against her negative
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 October 2019 18: 53
      +1
      Air defense systems can now automatically recognize targets, direct missiles, and also shoot.
  21. Lapunevsky
    Lapunevsky 26 October 2019 18: 21
    -1
    Here, no pompous demonstrative vidos about him - they just took, created, and forward, into the army, into service. It has long been known that the US military has two weapons programs - one to misinform Russia and China, as well as to smoke money from "allies" - as an example of the F-35 and the Patriot HRC. And the second, real and hidden from prying eyes - the weapons needed by their own army.
    1. Good_Anonymous
      Good_Anonymous 26 October 2019 19: 29
      -7
      Quote: Lapunevsky
      It has long been known that the US military is conducting two weapons programs.


      And two military budgets. One is for misinformation, and the second is real.
  22. Jerk
    Jerk 26 October 2019 18: 28
    -3
    It was claimed that they could be in the air for 24 hours at an altitude of up to 18 km.
    laughing Have a jet. Sure sure
    1. Lapunevsky
      Lapunevsky 26 October 2019 18: 49
      +3
      American UAVs, including "jet" ones, have long been able to refuel several times in the air. So much for you Yeah-ha ...


      And even for a turn, UAVs themselves run combat aircraft.
      1. Good_Anonymous
        Good_Anonymous 26 October 2019 19: 33
        -6
        Quote: Lapunevsky
        American UAVs, including "jet" ones, have long been able to refuel several times in the air.


        Only X-47B can do this.
      2. Jerk
        Jerk 26 October 2019 22: 16
        0
        Did not notice that the bar is welded tight? The specifics of control are precisely the drone. Further, this one is a scout, it makes no sense for him to refuel - his tanker is unmasking. If you haven’t noticed there, it’s specifics - work in areas of active air defense counteraction, refueling immediately crosses out the work
      3. Dymik
        Dymik 27 October 2019 10: 47
        0
        they are no longer being produced) yes they were) but no longer - too expensive even for the USA
    2. Topgun
      Topgun 26 October 2019 20: 55
      +3
      and why are you surprised?
      globalhawk for example can be up to 36 hours in the air ...
  23. Adequate
    Adequate 26 October 2019 18: 34
    +2
    We must admit something and not close our eyes to this fact: the USA is stupid more! (economics, business processes, etc. have their minuses, but everyone has minuses). If Russia wants to compete with the USA on equal terms, we need to fight against its minuses, it becomes more competent to be more purposeful, to remove excess bureaucracy, to believe in our own strengths
    1. Lapunevsky
      Lapunevsky 26 October 2019 18: 51
      0
      Russia's main problem is corruption and inequality before the law. If you solve it, the country will become stronger than any America.
  24. Prahlad
    Prahlad 26 October 2019 18: 38
    +1
    I don’t know how functional, but the look is gorgeous
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 October 2019 18: 55
      +2
      The view of the picture is gorgeous - we have not yet seen a real photo of this UAV.
  25. Saxahorse
    Saxahorse 26 October 2019 21: 07
    +1
    Not even news, but such a high-quality stuffing on the fan laughing

    Who is the RQ-180 no one yet knows.
    Northtop Grumman RQ-180 is a reconnaissance UAV developed by Northrop Grumman (USA) as part of the Joint Unmanned Combat Air Systems project. It made its first flight in 2013 at Zone 51, an American military airfield in Nevada.


    That's all. When they knock down or get caught in the sight of the camera then it makes sense to discuss what it is. So far, only a bare fact. A new UAV has appeared under the number RQ-180.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 26 October 2019 23: 30
      -13
      Quote: Saxahorse
      Not even news, but such a high-quality stuffing on the fan laughing

      Who is the RQ-180 no one yet knows.


      That's all. When they knock down or get caught in the sight of the camera then it makes sense to discuss what it is. So far, only a bare fact. A new UAV has appeared under the number RQ-180.

  26. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 27 October 2019 00: 39
    +1
    Quote: armata_armata
    Well, first, let him grapple with our "Hunter" ..

    By the time the arms hunter stands up, something newer than the RQ-180 will already appear

    B-52 let them update at the beginning. And the F35 will be brought to the promise.
  27. shadow
    shadow 27 October 2019 02: 58
    0
    Oh, someone said something there, so right away: oh yeah, yeah. How much was that? That Fufik-22, then Fufik-35 is nowhere steeper, but in fact: shit shit. Here it’s the same thing, they accepted it, but they themselves didn’t know what they accepted. Chatter one, no more.
  28. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 27 October 2019 06: 22
    -1
    Solid splurge comments. Caps only Kremlin boats from this resource can be thrown amers.
  29. sivuch
    sivuch 27 October 2019 09: 38
    +2
    Who would explain to me how to operate an UAV with a wingspan of 40 meters on an aircraft carrier? And if not from the deck - then why would he fleet?
    1. Dymik
      Dymik 27 October 2019 10: 55
      +1
      Well, the wings are folding, I'm more interested in the price of the device and in general this program. They have all these projects so expensive that all previous stealth bp were discontinued - so we have practically no lag! Hunter has great prospects as the price is much lower.
      1. sivuch
        sivuch 27 October 2019 12: 20
        +1
        Just sit down with folded wings would hardly work out. In general, in vain the sailors closed the program - one could see a lot of interesting things.
        1. Dymik
          Dymik 29 October 2019 08: 32
          0
          Maybe about 40 meters - a typo?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 October 2019 11: 02
      0
      He was accepted by the Air Force, not the Navy.
      1. sivuch
        sivuch 27 October 2019 12: 19
        +1
        Initially, the program was joint.
  30. Dymik
    Dymik 27 October 2019 10: 42
    +1
    The main thing is the question of the price of this product! If he again costs 200 million, then they will not build it for long - they will again collapse like the previous stealth bp
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 October 2019 14: 41
      +1
      The previous Global Hawk worth 215 million -103 pieces have been made, more than sure that they will do no less.
      1. Dymik
        Dymik 27 October 2019 19: 57
        +1
        so that's why they turned too expensive
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  32. MrFox
    MrFox 27 October 2019 14: 58
    0
    How do you begin to torture EW fans, what part of the power will reach the goal, divide the watts by Hertz and by a solid angle - and what will remain there?

    For especially inquisitive GPS "drivers" - now all GPS receivers on foreign military equipment are equipped with adaptive antennas, which form a maximum diagram for satellites and a minimum for electronic warfare equipment, which are determined by direction finding with the same antenna.

    And the EW stations themselves are an excellent target both in the radio and in the IR range (they eat a lot and get very hot)
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 October 2019 19: 23
      +1
      EW developers are aware of everything that you wrote and against satellite signals the same, there are complexes in a wide range of waves. You probably forgot how the Iranians in 2011 with the help of their electronic warfare took control and planted the top-secret American drone RQ 170 Sentinel on their territory - your adaptive antennas and other sophisticated ultra-modern stray did not help him.
      1. MrFox
        MrFox 27 October 2019 21: 18
        0
        What does this have to do with wide ranges of "waves"? GPS works in a narrow range.

        About landing an American drone by electronic warfare - fiction
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 27 October 2019 22: 47
          +2
          "About the landing of an American drone by means of electronic warfare - a fiction" Well, of course, he probably got tired of flying and decided to land and rest in Iran of his own free will.
  33. Operator
    Operator 27 October 2019 19: 57
    +2
    Quote: SovAr238A
    And?

    What other letters of our alphabet do you know? laughing


    Range of detection of air targets with EPR:
    0,003 sq.m - 2 km;
    0,1 sq.m - 5 km;
    5 sq.m - 12 km.
    Dimensions: diameter 100 mm, length 230 mm.
    Weight: 3,5 kg.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 27 October 2019 20: 43
      -14
      Quote: Operator
      Quote: SovAr238A
      And?

      What other letters of our alphabet do you know? laughing .


      Again.
      How will the initial target designation be done?
      To the village to grandfather?
      1. Operator
        Operator 27 October 2019 20: 45
        +2
        The letter "L" in the word radar - then figure it out for yourself, I have published everything for this.
  34. SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 27 October 2019 20: 39
    -18
    Quote: Not bad

    Well, let’s not be nervous, my joy, you just don’t spit out with legs and don’t spread them out, as well as your mouth. wink Malets, I’m from Samara myself, what are you not happy with, shame?


    Well, let's meet ...
    Judging by that. that you don’t know what Komsa is. you were not born before the 80th year.
    You did not live in Metallurg. neither on the 15th, nor on the Square. not on Mashstroy ...
    Who the hell are you?
    1. A good one
      A good one 29 October 2019 16: 51
      +7
      Quote: SovAr238A
      Quote: Not bad

      Well, let’s not be nervous, my joy, you just don’t spit out with legs and don’t spread them out, as well as your mouth. wink Malets, I’m from Samara myself, what are you not happy with, shame?


      Well, let's meet ...
      Judging by that. that you don’t know what Komsa is. you were not born before the 80th year.
      You did not live in Metallurg. neither on the 15th, nor on the Square. not on Mashstroy ...
      Who the hell are you?

      But I just didn’t understand you, how I’m going to be the same slack. Why are you not happy with your life in childhood and youth? Or the boys' troubles were then in your bastard, but you could remember for a complete set and the inscription: "beat the bulls, save Samara", but do you remember the "forage"? And the style of their dancing and what material did they have their caps from, remember?