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Indian Army decided to rearm from Russian Krasnopoli to American M982 Excalibur

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The Indian media write that the country's army has decided to “seriously upgrade” its arsenal of precision-guided munitions. The update is to purchase the US-controlled 155-mm M982 Excalibur artillery shells. It is planned to equip units armed with towed M777 howitzers, as well as K-9 Vajra howitzers, with shells to be shipped from the United States.




It is reported that the command has evaluated high-precision artillery ammunition in the world market and concluded that the M982 Excalibur for the Indian army will be "the most suitable option." The range of ammunition that was subjected to the Indian “assessment” also included SMART-155 and GIWS.

In the Indian command, it is noted that artillery units will be gradually phased into the American M982 Excalibur with a simultaneous decrease in the share of the use of Russian Krasnopoli. It is reported by the Indian newspaper Financial Express.

From the material:

M982 Excalibur will make Indian artillery more efficient. This projectile, ceteris paribus, has greater penetrating ability, it is characterized by high accuracy of hitting targets. It has improved e-filling protection.

It is further noted that Raytheon is currently developing a laser point tracker that will allow Excalibur to hit moving targets precisely. The marine version of Excalibur is also under development. The Indian Navy is showing interest in it.

For all this, the Indian media does not mention how much the Indian army will cost to rearm on the M982 Excalibur. And the cost of using an American high-precision munition is about five times higher than the cost of using the Russian 155-mm Krasnopol-M2. So, the cost of the M982 Excalibur Block 1a-1 was exported to Australia at a price of 232 thousands of dollars in the 2011 year.

If India buys these shells at a similar price, then we should expect publications in the Indian media about the "possible corruption component of the deal." From the same series as the acquisition of French Rafale fighters at 200 million dollars per unit.
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  1. Tusv
    Tusv 26 October 2019 07: 16
    +3
    about the "possible corruption component of the transaction."

    What kind of corruption? This rollback is punishable by us. And there - the development of inter-corporate relations
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 26 October 2019 07: 36
      +6
      With all this, the Indian media does not mention how much the Indian army will cost to rearm on the M982 Excalibur. And the cost of using an American high-precision munition is about five times higher than the cost of using a Russian 155-mm Krasnopol-M2

      A few years ago I wrote - the Americans give their Finnish market together. technology for the production of beds, cars, computers, treasure (?), studies at uni and investment.
      all this is "mutually beneficial cooperation", better packaged than the Russian Federation, in a complex.
      this is not a victory of the military-industrial complex, but the Fed, financiers
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 26 October 2019 07: 58
        +10
        Quote: antivirus
        Studying at universities and investments.

        We have Patrice Lumumba canceled? They say it worked in Africa. The Yankees howled. Russians conquered Africa. And what about India? The first wanted s-400. It was the seventh year from the moment Mody signed the agreement of intent to acquire and 4 years, as the Ministry of Defense agreed upon. The Chinese have, the Turks have. Algeria and Egypt, a little worse, have Antei - 2500. And India bomb, who do you want drinks
        1. Sergei Novozhilov
          Sergei Novozhilov 26 October 2019 08: 22
          +4
          The Yankees will integrate GPS stuffing into their excalibur, which on command from the Pentagon will deflect projectiles from the target if necessary or turn off the fuse.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 October 2019 12: 53
            +2
            This is unlikely. But they can "coarse" the data, or even block access.
          2. Jack O'Neill
            Jack O'Neill 26 October 2019 14: 52
            0
            The Yankees will integrate GPS stuffing into their excalibur, which on command from the Pentagon will deflect projectiles from the target if necessary or turn off the fuse.

            And what prevents us from doing this?
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother 26 October 2019 08: 14
        +5
        Quote: antivirus
        With all this, the Indian media does not mention

        Also, the Indian media do not mention that Excalibur cannot replace Krasnopol because they have different calibers. Bggg.
        In addition, Krasnopol can target moving targets, unlike.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 26 October 2019 08: 51
          +4
          Quote: Gray Brother
          because they have different calibers.

          This is a weak excuse. Our Israeli comrades have already shown how their projectile for a smoothbore with an adapter from a rifled gun flies. It seems to be convincing, but in the Indian market, you must first dance for six years feel
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 26 October 2019 09: 25
            +1
            Quote: Tusv
            This is a weak excuse.

            If artillery of a single caliber is in service, then yes. And no, they have both 152 and 155mm.
            And here the smoothbore - I do not understand.
        2. Berkut24
          Berkut24 26 October 2019 10: 07
          +4
          "Excalibur" cannot replace "Krasnopol" because they have different calibers

          It's written
          155 mm Krasnopol-M2

          We have now adapted the export nomenclature for NATO.
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 26 October 2019 10: 20
            +2
            Quote: Berkut24
            It's written

            Guilty, overlooked.
        3. kapitan92
          kapitan92 26 October 2019 20: 30
          0
          Quote: Gray Brother
          Also, the Indian media do not mention that Excalibur cannot replace Krasnopol because they have different calibers.

          hi Nothing to mention! "Krasnopol - Krasnopol M" were manufactured in two calibers. 152mm and 155mm. 155 mm ammunition was delivered to India. hi
      3. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 26 October 2019 09: 32
        +1
        Financiers are good, but no one has ever seen these financiers, either in Afghanistan or in Iraq. Simple guys are dying there. And not full Indians - they must understand that with their far from bottomless budget, a difference of five times is very sensitive, especially since the development of some modifications is only in progress. When and how it will end, even the Buddha does not know.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 26 October 2019 08: 09
      +4
      Quote: Tusv
      about the "possible corruption component of the transaction."

      What kind of corruption? This rollback is punishable by us. And there - the development of inter-corporate relations

      I don’t know what to call it, but the fact that the American lobby is firmly established in the Indian Defense Ministry is for sure.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 26 October 2019 08: 22
        +2
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        I don’t know what to call it, but the fact that the American lobby is firmly established in the Indian Defense Ministry is for sure.

        Here you understand, Ours are negotiating the amount of state rollback of India in favor of investment in our economy. Type of discount. And Americans put live bucks in their pockets. And how to protect the country. By Patriots or S-400, the answer is obvious. Yes, IKO among Americans is more informative. But you need to shoot down real goals, not information. Raytheon says pay grandmother and swamp for American democracy for using American satellites. Otherwise, Patriot is a pile of useless iron
    3. The popuas
      The popuas 26 October 2019 08: 42
      +1
      Ahaha .... all bureaucracy is sitting on the kickbacks .... wassat criminally punishable, but not massively applicable bully
    4. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 26 October 2019 09: 29
      +1
      Tusv (Vladimir)
      I hope this banter wink
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 26 October 2019 10: 05
        +2
        Quote: Stroporez
        I hope this banter

        Here you understand. Serve on the border in the paramilitary organization. And you’ll understand, now I’m not a PUSHNIK, now I’m a Stebesman drinks laughing
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 26 October 2019 10: 07
          +1
          Tusv (Vladimir)
          It sometimes seems to me that I dream about all this recourse
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 26 October 2019 10: 14
            +2
            Quote: Stroporez
            It sometimes seems to me that I dream about all this

            What dream. American TR-1, single by the way, hangs for 14 hours .. If not in the diaper, then I'm a Chinese ballerina. We are not afraid of them; they are not afraid of us. They are afraid when we put them safe and sound. hi
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 26 October 2019 10: 19
              +1
              Tusv (Vladimir)
              Everything is very serious, however. Not like a shaman lol
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 26 October 2019 10: 23
                +2
                Quote: Stroporez
                Everything is very serious, however. Not like a shaman

                Well so. The Second Affair of the Strategic Rocket Forces hi
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 26 October 2019 10: 50
                  +1
                  Tusv (Vladimir)
                  I remembered a joke about Brezhnev lol For this and drink is not a sin drinks
                  1. Tusv
                    Tusv 26 October 2019 10: 56
                    +3
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    I remembered a joke about Brezhnev

                    Me too, about portraits. When the American spat on Brezhnev, the Russian justified, not from the point of view of the Central Committee of the CPSU, but from the point of view of a simple layman, wiping his sleeve. Spit on your own, but do not dare on Ours drinks
    5. Vadivak
      Vadivak 26 October 2019 09: 57
      0
      stupid blackmail
    6. Lopatov
      Lopatov 26 October 2019 12: 52
      +1
      Quote: Tusv
      What kind of corruption?

      They also bug for it. Israelis and Swedes in the know.
  2. Nycomed
    Nycomed 26 October 2019 07: 19
    0
    And what's the problem? Well, some refused, others will take.
  3. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 26 October 2019 07: 28
    0
    Here are the thankless ones. For them, they created K- = 155М2, but it’s obvious that it’s a shameful thing with our satellite system and the Indians switched to zhps.
    1. Professor
      Professor 26 October 2019 07: 45
      -1
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Here are the thankless ones. For them, they created K- = 155М2, but it’s obvious that it’s a shameful thing with our satellite system and the Indians switched to zhps.

      And what if the satellite system is aimed at the laser spot. Do you highlight a target from a satellite?
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 26 October 2019 10: 13
        +2
        Hit right, professor. But, did you handle the Krasnopol modifications? Did you look its head in the eyes? NO, but I YES
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 26 October 2019 07: 47
      +4
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      It’s evident that the matter is awful with our satellite system and the Indians went over to the ZhPS.

      So, not a single FPS ... There was a time when the Swedes developed an 155-mm projectile with ANN and correction not by FPS, but by the radar beam ...
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 26 October 2019 10: 25
        -1
        The Moscow enterprise "Compass" is engaged in the introduction of "Gllonas" into the skies, as they say. They have successfully mastered the "Krasnopol" shell hiHindus stubborn because it is expensive and few prospects for Russian positioning systems.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 October 2019 07: 30
    0
    How to make money? You are an official, on a salary, no bonuses for you, no bonuses for you ... And then - put a signature, and "open up til" ...
  5. Professor
    Professor 26 October 2019 07: 41
    -4
    For all this, the Indian media does not mention how much the Indian army will cost to rearm on the M982 Excalibur. And the cost of using an American high-precision munition is about five times higher than the cost of using the Russian 155-mm Krasnopol-M2.

    It is important how much the destroyed target "costs" and the probability of its defeat. In addition, the bourgeois projectile does not require target illumination and is capable of destroying the target pointwise at a distance of 50 km.
    At Krasnopol, the firing range is half that and lighting is required.

    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 26 October 2019 08: 04
      +2
      Quote: Professor
      It is important how much the destroyed target "costs" and the probability of its defeat.

      After your "smart" bombs, which cost a lot of shekels and don't get anywhere, they got it.
      It is clear that the backlight does not suit them - they are going to shoot on the border territory of the neighboring state and there is nobody to highlight there.
      1. Professor
        Professor 26 October 2019 08: 30
        -8
        Quote: Gray Brother
        After your "smart" bombs, which cost a lot of shekels and don't get anywhere, they got it.

        Most likely it excited you, bombs get there where it is necessary. Ask your Arabs friends. laughing


        Quote: Gray Brother
        It is clear that the backlight does not suit them - they are going to shoot on the border territory of the neighboring state and there is nobody to highlight there.

        fool
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 26 October 2019 08: 35
          +6
          Quote: Professor
          bombs get where you need to

          You relaxed there completely in your sandbox.
          The vaunted Israeli SPICE-2000 bombs showed a terrible result.

          Despite the fact. that Israel recently praised their SPICE-2000 planning bombs in India were completely disappointed with them. The reason for this was that when attempting to strike at the militant camp in the Kashmir region, none of the three bombs dropped could accurately hit their targets - the minimum blunder was 150 meters, and the maximum - 200 meters.

          Indian media have already subjected Israeli weapons to serious criticism, noting that the SPICE-2000 planning bombs have no effectiveness, much less accuracy. Similar information was also confirmed by the Pakistani military, noting that only trees were damaged by the attacks of the Indian Air Force by the Israeli SPICE-2000 bombs.

          “They destroyed several dozen trees in the forest with their blows,” it was reported.
          Read more at: http://avia.pro/news/izrailskie-planiruyushchie-bomby-spice-2000-promahnulis-na-150-metrov

          That's right - knock yourself on the forehead. Bgg.
          1. Professor
            Professor 26 October 2019 08: 40
            -10
            Quote: Gray Brother
            You relaxed there completely in your sandbox.

            Here's how our bombs miss. lol


            Quote: Gray Brother
            The vaunted Israeli SPICE-2000 bombs showed a terrible result.

            ... and therefore the Indians decided to buy a new batch of these bombs? fool fool
            Thickly troll.
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 26 October 2019 09: 35
              0
              Quote: Professor
              .and because the Indians decided to buy a new batch of these bombs?

              Well, they also need to cling something to the "Mirages".
              And the video on a flat terrain like a table does not mean anything, there the relief is not necessary there.
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 27 October 2019 02: 00
            0
            Quote: Gray Brother
            when trying to strike at a militant camp in the Kashmir region, none of the three bombs dropped could hit their targets exactly - the minimum miss was 150 meters and the maximum was 200 meters

            So the turkeys were sitting at the controls. You would have planted macaques, or finally Arabs.
            But the Jews get it where it is needed, and how it should.
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 27 October 2019 07: 47
              0
              Quote: Nagan
              So the turkeys at the controls

              For remotes of what?
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 26 October 2019 08: 09
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      At Krasnopol, the firing range is half that and lighting is required.

      Oleg hi Thought how to screw a hairpin that Our Israeli comrades, Krasnopol did not consider the WTO.
      How to find out when Mr. BB in the Kremlin disperses the accuracy of shells. Partners zhezh drinks
    3. Do not care
      Do not care 26 October 2019 08: 59
      +1
      So, the cost of the M982 Excalibur Block 1a-1 was exported to Australia at a price of 232 thousand dollars in 2011


      Grandma remembered when she was a girl.
      With the start of mass production in 2016, the price of one shell was $ 68.000
    4. Lopatov
      Lopatov 26 October 2019 12: 58
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      . In addition, the bourgeois shell does not require target illumination

      It requires accurate determination of the coordinates of the target.

      And besides, they decided to equip excisibur of the last modification with LGSN.
      Despite all your assurances and the Special Probability Theory for American Ammunition invented on the knee
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      2. Professor
        Professor 26 October 2019 19: 10
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        It requires accurate determination of the coordinates of the target.

        Like any projectile, CEP. Is not it?

        Quote: Spade
        And besides, they decided to equip excisibur of the last modification with LGSN.
        Despite all your assurances and the Special Probability Theory for American Ammunition invented on the knee

        Like the extreme modifications of Spikes equipped And the possibility of laser illumination. This is sometimes useful. And this despite the fact that they, unlike you, are familiar not only with the Normal Law of Distribution. Prev the old Gauss. hi
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 26 October 2019 21: 07
          0
          Quote: Professor
          Like any projectile, CEP. Is not it?

          Exactly.
          That is, regardless of the type of projectile will have to irradiate the target with a laser

          Quote: Professor
          Like the extreme modifications of Spikes equipped And the possibility of laser illumination.

          This cannot be. This disproves the whole slender theory of superprecision that you created.

          Quote: Professor
          And this despite the fact that they, unlike you, are familiar not only with the Normal Law of Distribution.

          You argued that they are completely illiterate, as they indicated for guided missiles KVO. Which cannot be measured by default, since this characteristic is based on a normal distribution.

          You already decide who does not understand anything in precision munitions, you or their developers ...
          1. Professor
            Professor 27 October 2019 08: 13
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Exactly.
            That is, regardless of the type of projectile will have to irradiate the target with a laser

            Exactly. You need to know where to shoot, otherwise ... By the way, you can determine exactly where to shoot without a laser. Of course you have not been taught this.

            Quote: Spade
            Quote: Professor
            Like the extreme modifications of Spikes equipped And the possibility of laser illumination.

            This cannot be. This disproves the whole slender theory of superprecision that you created.

            Thickly troll.

            Quote: Spade
            You argued that they are completely illiterate, as they indicated for guided missiles KVO. Which cannot be measured by default, since this characteristic is based on a normal distribution.

            The manufacturer of Excalibur does not mention the CVO. Why?
            You argued that with x CVO all 100% of the shells would fall in some kind of circle in the 100 m. Shnobelev Prize to Lopatov’s studio. wassat

            Quote: Spade
            You already decide who does not understand anything in precision munitions, you or their developers ...

            I have already decided. Whose shovels ALL errors are subordinate to the Normal Law of Distribution does not understand anything.

            And where is it that the developer of Excalibur mentions the CVO and even calculated according to the Normal Distribution Law? lol
            https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/excalibur
            https://asc.army.mil/web/portfolio-item/ammo-excalibur-xm982-m982-and-m982a1-precision-guided-extended-range-projectile/

            The "KVO" for Excalibur is used by Wiki readers or by marketing trying to suck a product like you, skipping classes in probability theory.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 27 October 2019 09: 50
              0
              Quote: Professor
              Exactly. You need to know where to shoot, otherwise ... By the way, you can determine exactly where to shoot without a laser. Of course you have not been taught this.

              They taught. But this is even more hemorrhage. Definitely requiring direct visibility. And in most cases requiring a UAV. From which you can easily highlight the target.

              Quote: Professor
              I have already decided. Shovels in whom ALL errors are subordinate to the Normal distribution law does not understand anything.

              Sorry, but this is not about me, but about you and the developers.

              And, of course, it's a lot of fun when you, in support of the fact that the developers allegedly do not use CEP, upload a picture with the inscription "Excalibur CEP"

              By the way, about this image. They compare the CEP of a guided projectile and conventional ammunition.
              What poses a dilemma for you. You or have to argue that the dispersal of conventional American ammunition is also not subject to normal law.
              Or the fact that the developers went on a forgery, comparing the soft with the warm. However, maybe they did it because of their ignorance? Write to them, explain the whole depth of their errors.

              Well, I repeat again: before you post a picture, look at what is depicted and written on it. laughing
              1. Professor
                Professor 27 October 2019 14: 35
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                Quote: Professor
                Exactly. You need to know where to shoot, otherwise ... By the way, you can determine exactly where to shoot without a laser. Of course you have not been taught this.

                They taught. But this is even more hemorrhage. Definitely requiring direct visibility. And in most cases requiring a UAV. From which you can easily highlight the target.

                1. The laser also requires direct line of sight.
                2. You have no small drones with a laser target designator.
                3. The laser always unmasks and there can be no talk of any secrecy.
                4. Backlighting requires synchronization and unmasking radio communications.

                Quote: Spade
                Sorry, but this is not about me, but about you and the developers.

                Show us where the Excalibur developers mention QUO.

                https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/excalibur
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 27 October 2019 16: 02
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  Show us where the Excalibur developers mention QUO.

                  https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/excalibur

                  laughing
                  You can’t be so illiterate ... There is a characteristic CEP-radius, in which, with a normal distribution, 50% of the shells fly There is a characteristic Radial Miss Distance (RMD), a radius, in which 90% of the shells fly
                  And this is precisely the characteristic they use

                  Illiterate
                  And how they only develop such shells ...

                  By the way, you never came up with anything about CEP in the picture you posted.

                  What will be theories?


                  Quote: Professor
                  1. The laser also requires direct line of sight.
                  2. You have no small drones with a laser target designator.
                  3. The laser always unmasks and there can be no talk of any secrecy.
                  4. Backlighting requires synchronization and unmasking radio communications.

                  Well, yes ... there is no particular difference between the preparation of data for firing "Excalibur" and "Krasnopolye". In either case, an observation post or UAV will be spotted with equal probability.

                  Well, about "you don't have" - ​​next time use "I have not heard of such"
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 27 October 2019 16: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: Spade
                    You cannot be so illiterate ...

                    Where the manufacturer indicates Quo (CEP in English)? Less text and more facts.

                    Quote: Spade
                    By the way, you never came up with anything about CEP in the picture you posted.

                    This is not a manufacturer, CEP, but a marketer. Read carefully.

                    Quote: Spade
                    Well, yes ... there is no particular difference between the preparation of data for firing "Excalibur" and "Krasnopolye". In either case, an observation post or UAV will be spotted with equal probability.

                    Well yes. In the first case, the observer is safe, and in the second, he gazes at the target with his own eyes.

                    Quote: Spade
                    Well, about "you don't have" - ​​next time use "I have not heard of such"

                    Surprise us with the link. wassat
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 27 October 2019 16: 41
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      Where does the manufacturer indicate KVO (CEP in English)? Less text and more facts.

                      There, instead of CEP, the RMD characteristic is used, instead of the 4-x steps, when approximating the coordinate law of defeat in steps of one step. But this does not change the essence - the classical normal distribution

                      Quote: Professor
                      This is not a manufacturer, CEP, but a marketer. Read carefully.

                      Uh ... And I was sure that PM CAS is an official army office, you claim that this is a "markitologist"
                      Anyway...
                      Why then did you drag this picture here?

                      Quote: Professor
                      Well yes. In the first case, the observer is safe, and in the second, he gazes at the target with his own eyes.

                      What "security"? Once again, how can you determine the coordinates of a target with the required accuracy without seeing this target?

                      Quote: Professor
                      Surprise us with the link.

                      Our smallest drone with LCD is the Orlan-30, its wingspan is 2.8 meters. This is almost a meter less than the scope of the Orbiter III with a laser designator sold to Azerbaijan.

                      So it goes. Once again, there is a huge difference between “I didn’t hear” and “I don’t”.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 27 October 2019 20: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        There, instead of CEP, the RMD characteristic is used, instead of the 4-x steps, when approximating the coordinate law of defeat in steps of one step. But this does not change the essence - the classical normal distribution

                        So the projectile manufacturer does not use the concept of "KVO"? What a pity. laughing

                        Quote: Spade
                        Uh ... And I was sure that PM CAS is an official army office, you claim that this is a "markitologist"
                        Anyway...
                        Why then did you drag this picture here?

                        A drawing for people like you who do not know other error distributions besides "normal" ones. There are many interesting slides. If only the buyer pecked. The Hindus took a bite.

                        Quote: Spade
                        What "security"? Once again, how can you determine the coordinates of a target with the required accuracy without seeing this target?

                        The goal is not necessary to see with your own eyes. This can be done remotely. Or in general in advance. For example, like this:

                        You offer to send a fighter to highlight the target. No pity. Women still give birth.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Our smallest drone with LCD is the Orlan-30, its wingspan is 2.8 meters. This is almost a meter less than the scope of the Orbiter III with a laser designator sold to Azerbaijan.

                        So it goes. Once again, there is a huge difference between “I didn’t hear” and “I don’t”.

                        The whole difference is that there is a miniature laser designator on Orbitrrira, but not on Oralan. Because you don’t have such a grave-hook, and therefore you personally wriggle here that they say we don’t need to.
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 27 October 2019 20: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        So the projectile manufacturer does not use the concept of "KVO"

                        So the manufacturer still believes that the errors of a guided projectile obey normal law. Using the related CEP term RMD

                        Quote: Professor
                        A drawing for people like you who do not know other error distributions besides "normal" ones. There are many interesting slides. If only the buyer pecked. The Hindus took a bite.

                        That is, you say that the official representatives of the US Department of Defense simply lie.

                        Accepted, I have no questions about this anymore.



                        Quote: Professor
                        The goal is not necessary to see with your own eyes. This can be done remotely.

                        And you can also highlight it remotely. Something tight reaches you this simple thought ...

                        Quote: Professor
                        The whole difference is that there is a miniature laser designator on Orbitrrira, but not on Oralan.

                        He just does. Therefore, the "Orlan-30", which is smaller than the "Orbiter". can highlight targets for UAS. And he did it in Syria. Period.
                        More on this subject is not worth raving.
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 27 October 2019 20: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        So the manufacturer still believes that the errors of a guided projectile obey normal law. Using the related CEP term RMD

                        No mention of KVO. Do not wriggle and do not be killed. There will be a holiday on your street. love

                        Quote: Spade
                        That is, you say that the official representatives of the US Department of Defense simply lie.

                        Accepted, I have no questions about this anymore.

                        They don’t lie, but for the poorly educated they give allegories. There are many such slides.

                        Quote: Spade

                        And you can also highlight it remotely. Something tight reaches you this simple thought ...

                        It is possible, but only with a huge and heavy MUL as you have nothing less.

                        Quote: Spade
                        He just does. Therefore, the "Orlan-30", which is smaller than the "Orbiter". can highlight targets for UAS. And he did it in Syria. Period.
                        More on this subject is not worth raving.

                        A link to the studio for the presence on Orlan of a laser target designator. Your fantasies don't interest me. let's facts. What is a pointer model?
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 27 October 2019 21: 06
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        No mention of KVO.

                        Naturally. They write in English.

                        Quote: Professor
                        They don’t lie, but for the poorly educated they give allegories.

                        Well, I waited for delirium laughing
                        "Uneducated person" operating with the concept of "circular probable deviation"

                        Quote: Professor
                        It is possible, but only with a huge and heavy MUL as you have nothing less.

                        This is a lie.

                        Quote: Professor
                        A link to the studio for the presence on Orlan of a laser target designator.

                        Type in Google "Orlan-30 laser. Otherwise I am more than sure that you will start to deal with the sources."
                        You manage to do this even in the case when you have extracted the information yourself. laughing
                        First, they posted the picture themselves
                        Then they themselves declared the official office of the US Department of Defense "markitologists"
                        Then they were declared liars, deliberately misleading the "uneducated people" - American taxpayers.
                        You may not have known, but these PM CAS brochures are not for buyers. These are official reports on government-sponsored ammunition development programs for the US Army.
                      5. Professor
                        Professor 28 October 2019 08: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        Naturally. They write in English.

                        On this and finish. The shell manufacturer does not stutter about the CVO. The topic is closed.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Well, I waited for delirium
                        "Uneducated person" operating with the concept of "circular probable deviation"

                        Exactly. The one in which all errors are distributed according to the normal law. Note not "illiterate", but "poorly educated".

                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: Professor
                        It is possible, but only with a huge and heavy MUL as you have nothing less.

                        This is a lie.

                        Docs of the presence of a laser pointer on your drones have less than a MULA in the studio.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Type in Google "Orlan-30 laser.

                        Lopatov merged. Sends me to google.

                        All. I won’t feed you anymore.
                      6. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 28 October 2019 09: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        On this and finish. The shell manufacturer does not stutter about the CVO. The topic is closed.

                        It's like "they don't mention square meters," so it's not area. The fact that hectares are indicated in the article does not matter.

                        Quote: Professor
                        Exactly. The one in which all errors are distributed according to the normal law. Note not "illiterate", but "poorly educated".

                        There are a lot of THEM Do you know "poorly educated" people who have concepts of probability theory and the theory of errors? What target audience did American officials decide to deceive?

                        Quote: Professor
                        Docs of the presence of a laser pointer on your drones have less than a MULA in the studio.

                        Evidence that on the video from Syria the field of view of the apparatus on a certain "Mule" is in the studio.



                        Quote: Professor
                        All. I won’t feed you anymore.

                        Yeah. You feed yourself, laying out links and images, and then heroically refuting what is written there.
                      7. Operator
                        Operator 28 October 2019 10: 07
                        0
                        Grandfather is old, forgiving him laughing

                        Within the framework of the Day of Missile Forces and Artillery at the Luga training ground near St. Petersburg, the Orlan-30 (3039) UAV and control equipment, which was in trial operation, were presented. The complex was developed at Special Technology Center LLC. The length of the UAV is 2,43 m, wing span - 3,8 m, take-off mass - 31 kg, target load mass - 6 kg. The maximum range on the control channel is 120 km, the flight duration is 8 hours.

                        The complex is designed for reconnaissance and maintenance of artillery shooting in the optical and infrared ranges, determining meteorological conditions for firing, determining deviations of projectiles from the target, when equipped with RTR equipment, it can detect radio-emitting targets with subsequent additional reconnaissance in the optical range, when equipped with a laser target designator it can be used to service shooting guided ammunition "Krasnopol", as well as adjustable ammunition "Daredevil" and "Centimeter".

                        In the photo next to the UAV on the transport container, an optical-locating station is installed, which is installed at the bottom in the middle of the fuselage of the aircraft

    5. Private-K
      Private-K 28 October 2019 08: 01
      0
      Everyone has already calculated for a long time, everyone has long known that it is necessary to shoot at targets designated for Excalibur with large-caliber, multi-hundred-kilogram MLRS missiles. US Excalibur corny does not correspond to the American criterion "cost - efficiency".
      Hindus are also aware of this - they have a Smerch MLRS and 3 years ago they agreed in the Russian Federation to build their own rocket production for this MLRS.
      And this means that a certain group of Indian military leaders and industrialists will "eat" from this table. That does not suit other groups of the Inudu military. Therefore, it is necessary to make a drink - to buy unnecessary long-range light ammunition from the USA at an exorbitant price.
      Well, the amer has a double benefit - using their group of influence in the Indian Defense Ministry, they are withdrawing funds from purchases by the Indians. SAM S-400.
  6. Kerensky
    Kerensky 26 October 2019 07: 43
    +1
    If the Indians grapple with someone, it will be a mountain war. That is, who used to go to the pass and gain a foothold, he leads.
    And in such conditions, the accuracy of the ammunition is not so important (there will still be no civilians there), as the possibility of delivering the BC to the position.
    And the cost of using an American high-precision munition is about five times higher than the cost of using a Russian 155-mm Krasnopol-M2.

    That is, you can load 5 Krasnopol cars (at least one, but it will reach), or 1 Excalibur car ...
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 26 October 2019 08: 00
      0
      Quote: Kerensky

      And the cost of using an American high-precision munition is about five times higher than the cost of using a Russian 155-mm Krasnopol-M2.

      That is, you can load 5 Krasnopol cars (at least one, but it will reach), or 1 Excalibur car ...

      yeah, and send 5 special forces groups with backlight kits - 99 will die, but at least one will come good . maybe even time to highlight once ........
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 26 October 2019 12: 59
        +2
        Quote: Tlauicol
        yeah, and send 5 special forces groups with backlight sets - 99 will die, but at least one, good will come. maybe even time to highlight once ........

        "Groups with illumination" and "groups with rangefinder to determine the coordinates of the target" have an equal probability of death.
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 26 October 2019 14: 02
          0
          the coordinates of many objects are known
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 October 2019 21: 00
            0
            Quote: Tlauicol
            the coordinates of many objects are known

            But these objects are definitely not targets for Excalibur.
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 27 October 2019 02: 04
              0
              Well, send the drone, he will specify the coordinates. True, if the laser is spindleed on a drone, then it will highlight.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 27 October 2019 09: 51
                0
                Quote: Nagan
                Well, send the drone, he will specify the coordinates. True, if the laser is spindleed on a drone, then it will highlight.

                Exactly.
            2. tlauicol
              tlauicol 27 October 2019 04: 35
              0
              Quote: Spade
              Quote: Tlauicol
              the coordinates of many objects are known

              But these objects are definitely not targets for Excalibur.

              Here, above, the Professor posted a video where the hezahs in urban development are nightmare. Which of them would have been hit by an escalibur and which Krasnopol? All and not one
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 27 October 2019 09: 54
                0
                Quote: Tlauicol
                Here, above, the Professor posted a video where the hezahs in urban development are nightmare. Which of them would have been hit by an escalibur and which Krasnopol? All and not one

                You see, if the use of "daredevils" in Grozny was not filmed, this does not mean that they cannot be used in development. laughing laughing laughing

                In urban areas, both shells can be used. Just Krasnopol is more accurate and can be used not only for motionless, but also for moving targets.
                1. tlauicol
                  tlauicol 27 October 2019 10: 07
                  +1
                  maybe you're right. there is a video from Syria
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 27 October 2019 10: 08
                    0
                    Not "possibly" but for sure. It is not for nothing that ALL American promising guided munitions for artillery are equipped with LGSN
                    1. tlauicol
                      tlauicol 27 October 2019 10: 10
                      0
                      it remains to answer the question: why are the Indians rearmed with a sword?
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 27 October 2019 10: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        it remains to answer the question: why are the Indians rearmed with a sword?

                        Apparently, they want technology
        2. Kaw
          Kaw 26 October 2019 15: 18
          0
          You can take advantage of Google Earth, further exploit the target with drones. Yes, all sorts of opportunities. But with Krasnopol, you need someone to sit next to the target and highlight it with a laser emitter.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 October 2019 20: 58
            +1
            Quote: Kaw
            to reconnect the target with drones.

            Highlight can also be a drone.
          2. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 27 October 2019 03: 34
            +1
            Quote: Kaw
            here with Krasnopol, it is necessary for someone to sit next to the target and highlight it with a laser emitter.

            Not necessarily ... you can "attract" and a drone with a laser designator ...
        3. Professor
          Professor 26 October 2019 19: 11
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          Quote: Tlauicol
          yeah, and send 5 special forces groups with backlight sets - 99 will die, but at least one, good will come. maybe even time to highlight once ........

          "Groups with illumination" and "groups with rangefinder to determine the coordinates of the target" have an equal probability of death.

          Nat. In the first case, they glow, but in the second not. Moreover, to determine the coordinates of the target, you can even use the drone.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 October 2019 20: 59
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            Nat. In the first case, they glow, and in the second, no

            Do you measure the distance to the target in steps?

            Quote: Professor
            Moreover, to determine the coordinates of the target, you can even use the drone.

            For backlighting too.
            1. Professor
              Professor 27 October 2019 08: 50
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              Do you measure the distance to the target in steps?

              You probably have both steps and tape measure. At best, a laser. We also have passive methods that you probably never heard of. request
              https://elbitsystems.com/pr-new/elbit-systems-dsei-2019-display-will-include-hattorix-a-manpack-fire-support-system-that-enables-passive-precise-and-rapid-target-acquisition/

              Quote: Spade
              Quote: Professor
              Moreover, to determine the coordinates of the target, you can even use the drone.

              For backlighting too.

              This is our laser pointer even put on small drones. You have such a gravitap only on drones the size of a MUL. However, a drawback in backlighting is that the drone should hang over the target at the moment of impact. Having explored the coordinates of the target, you can strike at any convenient time. With one drone, you can determine the coordinates of many targets, and highlight only one target.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 27 October 2019 10: 04
                0
                Quote: Professor
                We have passive methods.

                To use which you need to create an 3D map of the area. What can be done only with the participation of the UAV and the lidar placed on it. Oddly enough, a laser device.
                And don't talk about "you can do it in advance." The area of ​​the Gaza Strip is 365 square kilometers, the area of ​​India, Pakistan and China's border regions is about five million square kilometers. Moreover, the territory of a potential enemy is not available for scanning.

                Quote: Professor
                This is our laser pointer even put on small drones.

                And what is stopping India from buying them? The same UAVs that are sold to Azerbaijan

                Quote: Professor
                You have such a gravitap only on drones the size of a MUL.

                To ensure long range lighting. Which requires the appropriate weight, stabilization system and energy.
                We just have other requirements that take into account the possibility of the enemy having air defense
                1. Professor
                  Professor 27 October 2019 14: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: Spade
                  To use which you need to create an 3D map of the area. What can be done only with the participation of the UAV and the lidar placed on it. Oddly enough, a laser device.
                  And don't talk about "you can do it in advance." The area of ​​the Gaza Strip is 365 square kilometers, the area of ​​India, Pakistan and China's border regions is about five million square kilometers. Moreover, the territory of a potential enemy is not available for scanning.

                  Learn the materiel. We start with passive methods.


                  Scouting targets IN ADVANCEbefore striking. Of course you have where the projectile will fall there and the target. We have a different way.

                  I suggest that Lopatov read Lopatov himself about how the target coordinates are determined in passive mode. So to speak, Loptaov conducts educational program for Lopatov. wassat
                  https://lopatov-45.livejournal.com/30166.html?thread=150230#t150230

                  Quote: Spade
                  And what is stopping India from buying them? The same UAVs that are sold to Azerbaijan

                  What for? You can simply determine the coordinates of the target and destroy it and a bunch of other goals. Highlighting can be carried out only one purpose at a time.
                  Laser designator thing is not cheap and not simple. You are not able to produce small-sized laser target designators yourself, but you offer Indians to buy and shove them wherever you need to.

                  Quote: Spade
                  Quote: Professor
                  You have such a gravitap only on drones the size of a MUL.

                  To ensure long range lighting. Which requires the appropriate weight, stabilization system and energy.
                  We just have other requirements that take into account the possibility of the enemy having air defense

                  Fox and grape? In the same post, you are offering India to buy laser target designators for small drones and here you are painting that you do not need such ones. Circus.

                  The enemy with air defense with a bang knocks down MULES. Not to be confused with Shamanov. His grenades were in the wrong system. belay
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 27 October 2019 16: 15
                    0
                    Quote: Professor
                    Reconnaissance of targets is done in advance, before striking.

                    Well, it is not necessary to soak the Americans in the mud, claiming that "Excalibur" can not be used not only on moving targets, but also on newly discovered targets

                    Quote: Professor
                    I suggest that Lopatov read Lopatov himself about how the target coordinates are determined in passive mode.

                    There we are talking about UAVs. UAVs can illuminate the target.


                    Quote: Professor
                    Laser designator thing is not cheap and not simple. You are not able to produce small-sized laser target designators yourself, but you offer Indians to buy and shove them wherever you need to.

                    This is a normal payment for the ability to hit targets more precisely, hit moving targets and not depend on errors in determining the coordinates of the target. The Americans understood that, right?


                    Quote: Professor
                    Fox and grape?

                    Just think out loud. In fact, I do not know if we have small drones with LCDs.

                    Unlike you, the head of the GRAU of the RF Ministry of Defense does not report anything to me. Next time, order him to report to me. At least once a month.

                    Quote: Professor
                    The enemy with air defense with a bang knocks down MULES

                    It can not be. You all buzzed on the subject of UAV invulnerability.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 27 October 2019 20: 04
                      +2
                      Quote: Spade
                      Quote: Professor
                      Reconnaissance of targets is done in advance, before striking.

                      Well, it is not necessary to soak the Americans in the mud, claiming that "Excalibur" can not be used not only on moving targets, but also on newly discovered targets

                      What kind of nonsense? This projectile is used on fixed targets. There will be laser illumination and there will be an opportunity to apply on moving targets.

                      However, like Krasnopol and like any other projectile, it requires the definition of a target IN ADVANCE.

                      Quote: Spade
                      There we are talking about UAVs. UAVs can illuminate the target.

                      You only have UAVs the size of an MUL and that’s not all. And there are not many of them at all. This is not for you Heavenly Riders or Orbiters whose sea. Any drone can determine the coordinates of the target. Read Lopatov. He explains how there.

                      Quote: Spade
                      This is a normal payment for the ability to hit targets more precisely, hit moving targets and not depend on errors in determining the coordinates of the target. The Americans understood that, right?

                      Well yes. When highlighting, you have no mistakes and misses. especially for moving targets where you manually hold the mark on the target. That is why the laser designator and you only on not many MULES.

                      Quote: Spade
                      Just think out loud. In fact, I do not know if we have small drones with LCDs.

                      Unlike you, the head of the GRAU of the RF Ministry of Defense does not report anything to me. Next time, order him to report to me. At least once a month.

                      Take it easy. you do not have them. For objective reasons.

                      Quote: Spade
                      It can not be. You all buzzed on the subject of UAV invulnerability.

                      This is not me, but Shamans. Prev him. soldier
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 27 October 2019 20: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        What kind of nonsense?

                        It is necessary to ask you

                        Quote: Professor
                        However, like Krasnopol and like any other projectile, it requires the definition of a target IN ADVANCE.

                        Neither Excalibur nor Krasnopole need to determine the coordinates of the target IN ADVANCE. It is possible and necessary to hit targets with these ammunition immediately upon detection


                        Quote: Professor
                        Well yes. When highlighting, you have no mistakes and misses. especially for moving targets where you manually hold the mark on the target.

                        You can manually, you can automatically track the target. This is not a problem, ask the Americans.

                        Quote: Professor
                        Take it easy. you do not have them. For objective reasons.

                        Lies. Orlan-30

                        Quote: Professor
                        This is not me, but Shamans.

                        It is you. Do not portray a girl’s memory here.
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 27 October 2019 20: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: Professor
                        What kind of nonsense?

                        It is necessary to ask you


                        Quote: Spade
                        Well, don’t have to dunk your Americans in the mud like that

                        What kind of nonsense?

                        Quote: Spade
                        Neither Excalibur nor Krasnopole need to determine the coordinates of the target IN ADVANCE. It is possible and necessary to hit targets with these ammunition immediately upon detection

                        That is, ADVANCE, before firing a shot. Thank you for agreeing.

                        Quote: Spade
                        You can manually, you can automatically track the target. This is not a problem, ask the Americans.

                        I ask you. What is the probability of hitting a moving target? What is your automatic target tracking in Krasnopol?

                        Quote: Spade
                        Lies. Orlan-30

                        With a laser pointer? But you are a dreamer, however. wassat

                        Quote: Spade
                        It is you. Do not portray a girl’s memory here.

                        It was Shamanov who complained about his inability to shoot down a drone. Remind me? wink
                      3. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 27 October 2019 20: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        What kind of nonsense?

                        Once again, I don’t know. You need to ask.

                        Quote: Professor
                        That is, ADVANCE, before firing a shot.

                        "In advance" are planned goals. Guided munitions usually hit unplanned targets. Immediately upon detection. Trying to beat the scouting of such targets under the definition of "ahead of time" is a very powerful craftiness.

                        Quote: Professor

                        With a laser pointer? But you are a dreamer however

                        This means that we have learned how to illuminate UAS targets without a laser. If you were informed from the GRAU of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation that there is no LCD on the Orlan-30.

                        Quote: Professor
                        It was Shamanov who complained about his inability to shoot down a drone. Remind me?

                        You "forgot" to point out that he was complaining about a situation that occurred 10 years ago.
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 28 October 2019 08: 29
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        Once again, I don’t know. You need to ask.

                        Lopatov closed his head. It happens.

                        Quote: Spade
                        "In advance" are planned goals. Guided munitions usually hit unplanned targets. Immediately upon detection. Trying to beat the scouting of such targets under the definition of "ahead of time" is a very powerful craftiness.

                        Julite again? I’m explaining it not for you. You are no use. The shot is fired in advance of the reconnoitered target, and not like with a UFO or with barrage of ammunition in the target area and there it is searched.

                        Quote: Spade
                        This means that we have learned how to illuminate UAS targets without a laser. If you were informed from the GRAU of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation that there is no LCD on the Orlan-30.

                        Docs of the presence of a laser target designator on Orlan in the studio. Links, photos, model and so on. Keep your natasias with you.

                        Quote: Spade
                        You "forgot" to point out that he was complaining about a situation that occurred 10 years ago.

                        Since then, there has been a scientific and technological revolution in which you come first. wink
                      5. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 28 October 2019 09: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        Julite again? I’m explaining it not for you. You are no use. The shot is made in advance of the explored target,

                        Sorry, but a minute before the shot is not "in advance", no matter how you fuss and invent. This is a planned goal in advance. Discovered and included in the fire plan.


                        Quote: Professor
                        Docs of the availability of a laser target designator on Orlan in the studio


                        Evidence that this is not from "Orlan" to the studio

                        Quote: Professor
                        Since then, there has been a scientific and technological revolution in which you come first.

                        No. Since then, more air defense weapons have appeared in service than the ZU-23-2 and Strela-2 paratroopers then had, and hundreds of drones shot down in Syria are a guarantee of that.
                      6. Professor
                        Professor 28 October 2019 09: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        Evidence that this is not from "Orlan" to the studio

                        Immediately after you prove that it is not a MUL. So far I have not seen such evidence.

                        Quote: Spade
                        No. Since then, more air defense weapons have appeared in service than the ZU-23-2 and Strela-2 paratroopers then had, and hundreds of drones shot down in Syria are a guarantee of that.

                        Preved to Shamanov. wassat
                      7. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 28 October 2019 10: 53
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Immediately after you prove that it is not a MUL

                        It is impossible to prove it, and you know it. Moreover, I have never heard of a Russian UAV called "Mule". You never know what you fantasized there.

                        Quote: Professor
                        Preved to Shamanov.

                        Greet those who foaming at the mouth proved the invulnerability of the UAV. Even after they were presented with a video with the destruction of the drone by the Ukrainian air defense system "Strela-10"
                      8. Professor
                        Professor 28 October 2019 11: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        It is impossible to prove it, and you know it. Moreover, I have never heard of a Russian UAV called "Mule". You never know what you fantasized there.

                        Then prove that it is Orlan.
                        MUL is a UAV class.
                      9. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 28 October 2019 11: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Then prove that it is Orlan.

                        Not ... It’s not me who knows from the picture from the target’s illumination system to determine which UAV it was installed on.
                        You said that this is a kind of "mule", and you confirm your words.
                      10. Professor
                        Professor 28 October 2019 13: 40
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: Professor
                        Then prove that it is Orlan.

                        Not ... It’s not me who knows from the picture from the target’s illumination system to determine which UAV it was installed on.
                        You said that this is a kind of "mule", and you confirm your words.

                        You posted this video as a proof of the availability of a laser on Orlan. Take the trouble not to troll, but to prove your words.
                      11. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 29 October 2019 09: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        You posted this video as a proof of the availability of a laser on Orlan.

                        Yes. Take the trouble to prove that this is not an Orlan, but a different UAV. For example, unknown in Russia, but at the same time Russian "mule"
                      12. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 27 October 2019 20: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        Lies. Orlan-30

                        And when is this miracle device (which supposedly has a laser) adopted?
                      13. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 27 October 2019 21: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        And when is this miracle device (which supposedly has a laser) adopted?

                        I do not know.
                        But he already participated in Center 2019
                      14. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 27 October 2019 21: 17
                        +2
                        Quote: Spade
                        Do not know

                        Well then. I will help you once you are disingenuous.
                        In 2020, the Russian military will receive the new Orlan-30 unmanned aerial vehicle. As reported on Wednesday, October 2, Izvestia, citing sources in the Russian Ministry of Defense, the new model has already been tested in Syria, as well as at the large-scale exercises Center-2019
                        About the alleged laser-also Izvestia and also with reference to the "source".
                        Aren't you ashamed to operate with such "info" and still accuse others of lying?
                      15. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 27 October 2019 21: 22
                        0
                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Well then. I will help you once you are disingenuous.

                        You call an honest answer "guile"?

                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Aren't you ashamed to operate with such "info" and still accuse others of lying?

                        Aren't you ashamed?
                        Can you responsibly, as a gentleman from Israel, say that on Orlan-30 there is no system capable of illuminating the target?
                        Can you responsibly claim that reports that the Orlan-30 was used in Syria to illuminate targets are false?
                      16. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 27 October 2019 21: 28
                        -1
                        Cunning because the Old about the presence of a laser, gives only Izvestia and in the same note where it says that the device is not accepted for service. 10 years already as if they were tormented with it)
                        The second cunning, you made the statement that there is a laser on this device that was not adopted for service. It’s your honor to prove the validity of your statement. It’s if you are a serious person. ...
                        Give up already. The professor has smeared you on the topic
                      17. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 27 October 2019 21: 34
                        +1
                        Once again I will repeat my questions.
                        Can you responsibly, as a gentleman from Israel, say that on Orlan-30 there is no system capable of illuminating the target?
                        Can you responsibly claim that reports that the Orlan-30 was used in Syria to illuminate targets are false?

                        Quote: Town Hall
                        Professor smeared you on the topic

                        Well, of course, "smeared" Laying out pictures and then claiming that what is depicted on them is a lie "for poorly educated people"
                      18. Operator
                        Operator 27 October 2019 21: 50
                        0
                        The Orlan-30 UAV is equipped with a gyro-stabilized unit with a high-resolution video and photo camera, as well as a broadband video information transmitter, which allows the operator in the control center to anchor the target to the coordinates on a topographic map using the TopoAxis software.

                        The takeoff weight of the Orlan-30 is 27 kg, the payload weight is 5 kg, if the camera is excluded, the UAV can be equipped with a laser designator.
                      19. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 27 October 2019 22: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Operator
                        in case of exclusion of the camera, the UAV can be equipped with a laser target designator.

                        Thank you.
                      20. Operator
                        Operator 27 October 2019 22: 21
                        -3
                        The most interesting thing about the Orlan-30 complex is not the ability to install a laser instead of a camera (which is a utilitarian action), but the presence of the TopoAxis software on the computer in the control center, which "fits" the resulting high-resolution video image to an electronic topographic map of the area (at least by characteristic landmarks and, most likely, building a stereo image of the area based on a number of freeze frames). After that, the coordinates of the target are determined in the machine gun - you can shoot unguided shells with high accuracy and drop free-falling bombs (using the Hephaestus computer sight).

                        Remember, I told you about a ground-based orientation system using augmented reality glasses and a wearable computer with an electronic topographic map installed on it and a functional analogue of the TopoAxis software - for the rangeless determination of target coordinates and its firing position.

                        Israeli technocretins before "TopoAxis" as before the Moon laughing
                      21. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 27 October 2019 22: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: Operator
                        in case of exclusion of the camera, the UAV can be equipped with a laser target designator.

                        Another shameless one)
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  7. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 26 October 2019 07: 55
    +3
    More flexible to be nadot ... shorter ...! Here the Chinese have taken as a basis our "Krasnopol" and on its "base" produce several "options": 1.with a laser seeker; 2. with GPS; 3.with SPBE ...
  8. Russobel
    Russobel 26 October 2019 07: 55
    +2
    Poor Indians, they have collected so many motley weapons that in the event of war they themselves will become entangled in it.
    Sausages them from side to side.
    As children, I want this too ...
  9. Jerk
    Jerk 26 October 2019 07: 59
    0
    The usual cut, characteristic of the song and dance ensemble. I feel that at such a pace Pakistan will soon begin to throw them in turban and shoot them from slingshots laughing
    PiSi: Hindus, how are things going with you building a nuclear power plant from the USA? It seems that the third decade has already gone, how are you building, and have not even started? Well, the fools are also beaten in the altar ...
  10. mlad
    mlad 26 October 2019 08: 08
    -5
    There is such a thing as price-quality, and here we need to think about what is better, of course, knowing Russian electronics, I think that the weight in an electronics shell is probably more than explosives, but for this price you can send five shells and it will be more effective
    1. Kaw
      Kaw 26 October 2019 14: 55
      0
      The point is not the weight of the electronics, but that the coordinates of the target are simply loaded into Excalibur and it flies exactly into it, but for shooting Krasnopol, it is necessary that our saboteurs sit in direct visibility of the target and illuminate the target with a laser emitter. In addition, the firing range of Krasnopol is 25 km, of Excalibur 50.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 26 October 2019 21: 10
        -1
        Quote: Kaw
        but the fact that Excalibur just loads the coordinates of the target

        And where do these coordinates come from? Really from those very "saboteurs who sit in line of sight of the target"?
        laughing
  11. Terenin
    Terenin 26 October 2019 08: 23
    +3
    . If India buys these shells at a similar price, then we can expect publications in the Indian media about the "possible corruption component of the deal."

    And why wait then request, this block of marketing in our defense industry should already hoarse from indignation yes . This is the market, his mother bully
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 26 October 2019 08: 29
    -1
    Correct solution
  13. knn54
    knn54 26 October 2019 08: 39
    0
    The cost of a salvo of MLRS "Grad" is cheaper than 230000 USD
    It is also doubtful that the Excalibur is effective against a tank.
    PS I wonder if Dome can handle Escalibur?
    1. karabass
      karabass 26 October 2019 09: 57
      0
      even 82 mm if it gets into the tank - incapacitates - the end of the gun and optics (available on the Internet)
  14. Basarev
    Basarev 26 October 2019 08: 50
    -2
    India is in its own right. Excalibur has obviously better electronics and three heads with higher accuracy, so the choice is obvious. And even if it is too expensive, it is beneficial for Russia. Let the Indian budget go broke on procurement. That’s what you see, because of the increased poverty, a civil war will begin with all religious and ethnic hatred and the use of nuclear weapons in their own way, even Pakistani, and better, Chinese intervention with a fair answer in the face of partisan revelry ... In general, Russia only it will win if a small-town total war breaks out in the region: too strong economic competitors go bankrupt, technology rolls back to a natural medieval state, you can get rid of billions of extra population ... And yet, with their own hands, we also make money on supplies of junk littering warehouses .
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi 26 October 2019 09: 17
      +1
      And half the world will remain naked, including the Olympic teams of Russia and the United States. Plus, overproduction of food - India absorbs almost half of world exports.
      It’s like the bombing of Iraq in 2003 - it seems far from Lipetsk, and one plant almost went off the pipe, on Iraqi orders of Lukoil, the salary fell 3 times. And the borders of Russia were closed for entry for a week, as a result, 2 of my friends were unable to return from Kazakhstan in time, and were fired for absenteeism.
    2. Omskgasmyas
      Omskgasmyas 27 October 2019 05: 15
      -1
      With such views, you are in "Azov" the place.
  15. mlad
    mlad 26 October 2019 09: 11
    0
    The advantage of barreled artillery is low cost, but not in this case, a worthy target is needed for such an expensive projectile, you won’t take a tank, there are headquarters and air defense systems, lightly armored vehicles, multiple launch rocket systems with high-precision shells should be cheaper and more destructive and in range they will not yield.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 26 October 2019 09: 21
      +1
      Can you take a tank with a 6-inch shell in the roof? What kind of tank is this?
      1. mlad
        mlad 26 October 2019 09: 26
        0
        and who said that the projectile falls vertically?
        1. parkello
          parkello 26 October 2019 10: 06
          +1
          this shell falls vertically. at right angles. and his accuracy is good. but you need a good howitzer for him. in our army there are such shells. and howitzers Pz-2000. the truth and their price is decent, but if the goal is a well-hidden position or headquarters, a gathering of officers, then the price is justified. what
          1. mlad
            mlad 26 October 2019 10: 13
            -2
            A modern tank can also disable a sniper by shooting optics
  16. Ros 56
    Ros 56 26 October 2019 10: 14
    0
    Radish horseradish is not sweeter, and the difference in price to someone’s soul and pocket will warm.
    1. Kaw
      Kaw 26 October 2019 14: 50
      0
      In war, the last thing you think about is how much ammunition costs. And excalibur is many times better, both in terms of firing range, and on the principle of guidance.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 26 October 2019 14: 56
        0
        He shot himself or took part in the tests?
        1. Kaw
          Kaw 26 October 2019 14: 58
          0
          No, I just read and compared the characteristics in open sources, and that's all smile
  17. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 October 2019 10: 18
    +2
    M982 Excalibur will make Indian artillery more efficient.
    And it would be nice dancing dancing to fire no matter which way, and the shell will still hit the enemy. I would like to advise the Indians not to rush from side to side, but to practice changing the guard on the Indian-Pakistani border. The phrase India-weapon is already becoming a household word.
    1. Kaw
      Kaw 26 October 2019 14: 47
      0
      Just with Excalibur this can be done, it flies along a programmed path.
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 26 October 2019 16: 46
        0
        Not so much he is good that would fix a mistake sucker! laughing For this, the Petrel is well suited when it is adopted. hi
  18. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 October 2019 10: 29
    +2
    laughing laughing Yes, apparently corrupt Indian bureaucrats received not a feeble "kickback".
  19. Kaw
    Kaw 26 October 2019 14: 34
    0
    Do we have an analogue of Excalibur? Excalibur and Krasnopol, this is a completely different level of shells, it’s like Tesla and VAZ 2109. Excalibur is an almost tactical missile without an engine with a complex guidance system.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 26 October 2019 21: 11
      0
      Quote: Kaw
      Xcalibur, it is an almost tactical missile without an engine with a complex guidance system.

      Strictly speaking, their guidance system is practically the same. One and the same "autopilot" performing the flight program. Using information from ANN - our, ANN and global positioning system - American. At the terminal section of the trajectory, our "homing" with the help of the LGSN, the American has not yet in any way, but the last of the modifications should also receive the LGSN.

      Well, Krasnopol is technically more difficult. At least for now.
      1. Kaw
        Kaw 26 October 2019 23: 37
        0
        There is no ANN in them. American is guided at all stages using a satellite navigation system
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 27 October 2019 09: 32
          0
          Quote: Kaw
          There is no ANN in them. American is guided at all stages using a satellite navigation system

          Americans are not so stupid.
      2. Professor
        Professor 27 October 2019 08: 57
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Kaw
        Xcalibur, it is an almost tactical missile without an engine with a complex guidance system.

        Strictly speaking, their guidance system is practically the same. One and the same "autopilot" performing the flight program. Using information from ANN - our, ANN and global positioning system - American. At the terminal section of the trajectory, our "homing" with the help of the LGSN, the American has not yet in any way, but the last of the modifications should also receive the LGSN.

        Well, Krasnopol is technically more difficult. At least for now.

        ANN? Gyroscope driven? lol


        I'm embarrassed to ask "why" ANN? Ballistics stops working and it doesn't fly like a blank, so is it "smart"?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 27 October 2019 09: 28
          -1
          Quote: Professor
          I'm embarrassed to ask "why" ANN?

          Is it too complicated for you? Well, yes, it’s necessary to think a little.
          I explain: it is needed in order to continue to control the projectile in case of loss of communication with satellites or when trying to spoof.

          By the way, about your little scheme: it’s not enough to spread pictures, you also need to know at least a little what you are laying out.
          Fifth from the top, Inertial Measurement Unit (Common) Guess what the block is for, the name of which begins with the word "inertial" laughing laughing laughing .
          1. Professor
            Professor 27 October 2019 13: 55
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            Is it too complicated for you? Well, yes, it’s necessary to think a little.
            I explain: it is needed in order to continue to control the projectile in case of loss of communication with satellites or when trying to spoof.

            Got it. Only here the ANN in this shell is not from the word "absolutely", CEP. When the GPS signal is lost, it flies like an ordinary blank. Who controls the projectile? Is it really like an ordinary "stupid" projectile continues without control? lol

            Quote: Spade
            By the way, about your little scheme: it’s not enough to spread pictures, you also need to know at least a little what you are laying out.
            Fifth from the top, Inertial Measurement Unit (Common) Guess what the block is for, the name of which begins with the word "inertial"


            The key word is "mezhurement". Should I translate its meaning for you? I repeat my question: Was the gyroscope driven out? Where is he? wink
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 27 October 2019 15: 36
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              Got it. Only here the ANN in this shell is not from the word "absolutely", CEP.

              laughing
              That is, you claim that the image you posted is nonsense?

              And in fact, L3 Technologies has not developed an inertial block for these shells?



              Quote: Professor
              The key word is "mezhurement". Should I translate its meaning for you?

              Where are you in the phrase Inertial Measurement Unit (Common) - the Inertial Measurement Unit (common) managed to make out the word "interrepair" And into what language are you going to translate it?
              1. Professor
                Professor 27 October 2019 15: 58
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                That is, you claim that the image you posted is nonsense?

                IMU is not INS. You claim that “Using the information from the INS, our, the INS and the global positioning system, is American.” Where is the INS, CEP?

                Quote: Spade
                Where are you in the phrase Inertial Measurement Unit (Common) - the Inertial Measurement Unit (common) managed to make out the word "interrepair" And into what language are you going to translate it?

                Yeah. And where is the ANN? wink Do you know the difference?
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 27 October 2019 16: 46
                  -2
                  Quote: Professor
                  Do you know the difference?

                  Ches a word I do not know

                  But I’m interested in something completely different. I’m wondering what nonsense you’ll come up with to explain the presence of IMU in the projectile.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 27 October 2019 19: 52
                    +1
                    Quote: Spade
                    Ches a word I do not know

                    I believe that you do not know. The first is part of the second as wheels in a car. However, each time you see the wheels, you should not conclude that you have a car in front of you. There could be a lot more.

                    Quote: Spade
                    But I’m interested in something completely different. I’m wondering what nonsense you’ll come up with to explain the presence of IMU in the projectile.

                    You invent nonsense wriggling like in a pan. I do not have to invent anything; I use primary sources, but fantasies.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 27 October 2019 20: 03
                      -1
                      Quote: Professor
                      I believe that you do not know. The first is part of the second as wheels in a car. However, each time you see the wheels, you should not conclude that you have a car in front of you. There could be a lot more.

                      Quote: Professor
                      You invent nonsense wriggling like in a pan. I do not have to invent anything; I use primary sources, but fantasies.

                      A lot of words have been written. But there is no answer ... And I’m sure that it will not. Because you sat in a puddle.
                      Because the IMU in the projectile has a single function — it transfers information about the movement of the projectiles to the control system.
                      That is, the most inertial control system. With correction according to global positioning data. But capable of working completely autonomously. Thus, ensuring the destruction of the target even in the absence of a signal from satellites.

                      Ches word. I don’t understand, what was the point in this informational noise?
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 27 October 2019 20: 29
                        +2
                        Quote: Spade
                        A lot of words have been written. But there is no answer ... And I’m sure that it will not. Because you sat in a puddle.
                        Because the IMU in the projectile has a single function — it transfers information about the movement of the projectiles to the control system.
                        That is, the most inertial control system. With correction according to global positioning data. But capable of working completely autonomously. Thus, ensuring the destruction of the target even in the absence of a signal from satellites.

                        You sat in a puddle. There is no ANN on this projectile. Simply no. Not at all. NETUUUUUUUUUUUU. I repeat: IMU is only часть Ins like wheels часть a car, but not everything on a car’s wheels.
                        Learn the materiel and smash the gag.
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 27 October 2019 20: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        You sat in a puddle. There is no ANN on this projectile. Simply no. Not at all. NETUUUUUUUUUUUU. I repeat: IMU is only part of the INS, as the wheels are part of the car, but not everything is on the wheels of the car.
                        Learn the materiel and smash the gag.

                        How many words, how many expressions.
                        But they could not answer the simplest question ...
                        So why was this IMU placed in the shell?
                        How many words do you write before you try to answer? laughing
                      3. abyssal
                        abyssal 27 October 2019 21: 20
                        -2
                        How many words, how many expressions.

                        Sorry to get into your highly intellectual discussion, but tell Lopatov, are you still tired of being a whipping boy? With your Guides from the 70s?
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 27 October 2019 21: 27
                        -1
                        Quote: abyssal
                        Sorry to get into your highly intellectual discussion, but tell Lopatov, are you still tired of being a whipping boy? With your Guides from the 70s?

                        laughing laughing laughing
                        Thank you, made laugh.

                        You know, when a person has no arguments left at all, he goes on to discuss the personality of the opponent.
                        You started from this. laughing Which clearly testifies to your knowledge in the topic under discussion.

                        Well, to discuss my own personality, unlike you, is not interesting.
                      5. abyssal
                        abyssal 27 October 2019 22: 00
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        You know, when a person has no arguments left at all, he goes on to discuss the personality of the opponent.

                        It would be so, I would call you a limited and narrow-minded soldier. What I didn’t do.
                        Quote: Spade
                        You started from this. Which clearly testifies to your knowledge in the topic under discussion.

                        I'm in Krasnopol and Excalibur is not the topic, that's for sure. But what I see perfectly:
                        1. With KVO Excalibur you screwed up in full.
                        2. Languages ​​you don’t speak from the word at all (if there are any objections, I can conduct a mini-test, but I think that you will jump). They give you links, but you can’t even read them.
                        3. Your knowledge of artillery is in the distant past and you calculate the coordinates of the target using a slide rule.
                        But I'm funny
                      6. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 27 October 2019 22: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: abyssal
                        1. With KVO Excalibur you screwed up in full.

                        Nonsense. CEP is precisely mentioned in the image posted by the Professor. Incidentally, a picture from the official publication of the US Defense Department

                        Quote: abyssal
                        2. Languages ​​you don’t speak from the word at all (if there are any objections, I can conduct a mini-test, but I think that you will jump). They give you links, but you can’t even read them.

                        Well yes. I do not know so much that in the text following the link I understood the meaning of the phrase "radial miss distance" Unlike you and the "Professor"

                        Quote: abyssal
                        Your artillery knowledge is a thing of the past

                        Naturally. Artillery is based on the theory of probability ... And most of the discoveries in it happened just in that very "distant past". Moreover, by and large, very little has changed in artillery since the First World War.

                        Quote: abyssal
                        and you calculate the coordinates of the target using a slide rule.

                        As well as PUO, Kravchenko tables, STM numerator, "Sachka", engineering calculator. As well as a programmable calculator and microcomputer. To which I did "shooting" programs myself, back in school.
                        Speaking of birds, did you kick your heels in the chest about knowing languages? Here's a read at your leisure about the "slide rule" https://armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/us_field_artillery_back_to_emphasizing_charts_and_darts_.html

                        Quote: abyssal
                        But I'm funny

                        Naturally. A person who says "I don't know what you are doing, but you are doing it wrong" is always ridiculous. And neither you nor the Professor have even minimal knowledge in the field of artillery.
                      7. Professor
                        Professor 28 October 2019 07: 56
                        +2
                        Quote: Spade
                        Nonsense. CEP is precisely mentioned in the image posted by the Professor. Incidentally, a picture from the official publication of the US Defense Department

                        Where does the manufacturer mention KVO? Link to the studio.
                        Link to the "official" site of the US Department of Defense that you mention.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Naturally. Artillery is based on the theory of probability ... And most of the discoveries in it happened just in that very "distant past". Moreover, by and large, very little has changed in artillery since the First World War.

                        Please do not mention probability theory in which you do not understand the basics. I’ll not quote your quote where you say that with a certain QUO ALL 100% shells will fall into a specific circle. Nonsense of "normal distribution". lol
                        You also do not understand that a precondition for the so-called. "normal distribution" is that no one interferes with the process and it is ACCIDENTALLY. In the case of high-precision weapons such as the projectile under discussion, the process is not random, CEP. Jae manufacturer does not mention KVO. Only marketers talk about it comparing this projectile with a conventional projectile for better understanding by poorly educated customers.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Naturally. A person who says "I don't know what you are doing, but you are doing it wrong" is always ridiculous. And neither you nor the Professor have even minimal knowledge in the field of artillery.

                        You don’t even know the basics of Theory of Probability, which I have repeatedly proved here ...
                      8. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 28 October 2019 10: 21
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        Where does the manufacturer mention KVO? Link to the studio.

                        He mentions RMD. Dot. RMD is also based on normal distribution, like CEP
                        So, evidence that the developers do not believe that guided missile errors are subject to normal law You did not find. Point.

                        Quote: Professor
                        Link to the "official" site of the US Department of Defense that you mention.

                        I don’t know where you got this picture from.

                        However, in this picture in the upper left corner is the PM CAS icon. That is, this is their presentation.
                        And this is the US Defense Ministry office. Through Google, you can easily find a link to their page on Army.mil


                        Quote: Professor
                        Please do not mention probability theory in which you do not understand the basics.

                        Well, naturally. Only the "one who does not understand the basics" can think that there are exceptions to the theory of probability
                        Quote: Professor
                        In the case of high-precision weapons such as the projectile under discussion, the process is not random, CEP.

                        And the errors of this intervention, oddly enough, also obey the normal distribution. Specifically for such shells, these are the standard errors of the shell coordinates and the standard errors of the projectile control system.

                        Quote: Professor
                        I’ll not quote your quote where you say that with a certain CWO ALL 100% of the shells will fall into a specific circle.

                        Lead. I always liked to catch such "disputants" in lies.



                        Quote: Professor
                        You don’t even know the basics of probability theory

                        Did I think that this theory has exceptions?
                        Type twice two for the Pervomaisky district of Samara is equal to three, and whoever disagrees, "does not even know the basics" of arithmetic
                        laughing laughing laughing
                      9. Professor
                        Professor 28 October 2019 12: 00
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        He mentions RMD. Dot. RMD is also based on normal distribution, like CEP
                        So, the evidence that the developers do not believe that the errors of guided projectiles obey the normal law you have not found. Dot.

                        Show the word "KVO" with an arrow, otherwise no one sees. You can also look for sites where the manufacturer mentions KVO.

                        Quote: Spade
                        I don’t know where you got this picture from.

                        Did you previously mention "picture from the official edition of the US Defense Department". a link to the OFFICIAL edition in the studio. Lied again?

                        Quote: Spade
                        And this is the US Defense Ministry office. Through Google, you can easily find a link to their page on Army.mil

                        Again merged and sent to Google. Clear. lol

                        Quote: Spade
                        Well, naturally. Only the "one who does not understand the basics" can think that there are exceptions to the theory of probability

                        For instance? What are the exceptions to the "normal distribution law"?

                        Quote: Spade
                        And the errors of this intervention, oddly enough, also obey the normal distribution. Specifically for such shells, these are the standard errors of the shell coordinates and the standard errors of the projectile control system.

                        You need to learn the basics of probability theory since you do not have basic knowledge. On the fingers and not for you as it is useless to you. If a student throws a dart at a target, the dart will hit it in some random way. However, if I catch his dart and manually stick it into the target, then this process is not random, since I intervene in this process. So with a high-precision shell. There can be no talk of any dispersion since the process is controllable and not accidental.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Lead. I always liked to catch such "disputants" in lies.

                        You have no equal in lying. Although there is. "operator" saw mobile launchers of Jericho ballistic missiles.
                        https://topwar.ru/158507-general-dynamics-predstavila-novoe-pokolenie-upravljaemyh-min.html#comment-id-9407647
                        A QUO in 5 meters means that 100% min will fall into a circle with a diameter of 40 meters. For 81 mm mines it is a lot.
                        fool

                        Quote: Spade
                        Did I think that this theory has exceptions?

                        For instance? What are the exceptions to the "normal distribution law"?
                      10. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 28 October 2019 12: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Show the word "KVO" with an arrow

                        Stupid literalism. You yourself understand what I am talking about, but you pretend not to understand. Like a booty repeating "where is KVO"
                        You could not confirm that the developers do not consider their UAS to be subordinate to the normal distribution.

                        And your yulenie on the topic. "this is not square meters, but hectares, so this is not an area" I am not interested

                        Quote: Professor
                        And you mentioned earlier the "picture from the OFFICIAL US Department of Defense". a link to the OFFICIAL edition in the studio. Lied again?

                        For the gifted: A huge arrow indicates the official source of your drawing

                        It is already difficult to "miss" such an arrow.

                        Quote: Professor
                        Again merged and sent to Google. Clear.

                        Well, if you were banned in the search engines ... Here's a link to the office. organization website https://picac2cs9.pica.army.mil/pmcas/

                        Quote: Professor
                        For instance? What are the exceptions to the "normal distribution law"?

                        For example, your statement that the normal distribution for some reason does not apply to the accuracy of American UAS

                        Quote: Professor
                        You need to learn the basics of probability theory ....... the process is controllable and not accidental.

                        Blah blah blah blah. A lot of words, a little knowledge.
                        For amateurs, on your example. You are catching a dart. The probability that you catch him is not equal to one. That is, some of them will not reach. However, the flown will be located from the center of the target, subject to the same normal distribution. Nothing will change.



                        Quote: Professor
                        A QUO in 5 meters means that 100% min will fall into a circle with a diameter of 40 meters. For 81 mm mines it is a lot.

                        You had to confirm that I stated that, I quote "then with a certain CVO ALL 100% of the shells will fall in a specific circle"
                        The quote you quoted does not contain this statement.
                        Congratulations, you are a liar.
                      11. Professor
                        Professor 28 October 2019 13: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        Stupid literalism. You yourself understand what I am talking about, but you pretend not to understand. Like a booty repeating "where is KVO"
                        You could not confirm that the developers do not consider their UAS to be subordinate to the normal distribution.

                        Where is the quo?

                        Quote: Spade
                        For the gifted: A huge arrow indicates the official source of your drawing

                        Link to the source pliz. "picture from the OFFICIAL US Department of Defense". You do not need to refer to me, I am not "the official publication of the US Department of Defense. Do not send to Google.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Well, if you were banned in the search engines ... Here's a link to the office. organization website https://picac2cs9.pica.army.mil/pmcas/

                        There is no picture on this link. You lied again and sat in a puddle.

                        Quote: Spade
                        For example, your statement that the normal distribution for some reason does not apply to the accuracy of American UAS

                        An example of an exception from the "normal distribution law" with reference to the studio. Do not offer your fantasies and do not send them to Google.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Blah blah blah blah. A lot of words, a little knowledge.
                        For amateurs, on your example. You are catching a dart. The probability that you catch him is not equal to one. That is, some of them will not reach. However, the flown will be located from the center of the target, subject to the same normal distribution. Nothing will change

                        You see how you swim. I will catch all 100% of the darts, because between the shooter and the target I will put a concrete wall and I will stupidly pick them up from the floor. The process of hitting darts at the target will not be random. You, as I expected, did not understand this. Lack of basic knowledge.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Quote: Professor
                        A QUO in 5 meters means that 100% min will fall into a circle with a diameter of 40 meters. For 81 mm mines it is a lot.

                        You had to confirm that I stated that, I quote "then with a certain CEP ALL 100% of the shells will fall into a specific circle"
                        The quote you quoted does not contain this statement.
                        Congratulations, you are a liar.

                        You do not need to turn on the fool. You claimed that "KVO in 5 meters means that 100% of mines will fall into a circle with a diameter of 40 meters". HUNDRED PERCENTAGE, CEP? fool With a normal distribution? Nonsense. It does not happen with the Normal distribution of 100%. NEVER!!! Shnobel Prize to Lopatov. wassat

                        Now in the text: "then with a certain quo (in your text this is 5 m) ALL 100% of shells will fall in a specific circle (in your text it is a circle with a diameter of 40 meters) ". It was not possible to get out. You absolutely do not understand the theory of probability. That is what you had to prove.

                        Your current twists, departure to Google, trolling and lies are counted. Rest until next time. I do not advise you to learn to match. Useless business for you.
                      12. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 29 October 2019 09: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Link to the source pliz.

                        Doesn't it seem to you that demanding a link to the source from which you yourself pulled out a picture is somewhat strange behavior
                        The creator of the presentation is directly indicated in the picture. For those who do not suffer from selective blindness.


                        Quote: Professor
                        Where is the quo?

                        Hysterically ...
                        So the manufacturer is illiterate in using the concept of RMD. And I can prove it
                        Their curators from the US Department of Defense use CEP illiterate. And I can prove it.
                        Users represented by the institution preparing gunners for the US Army are illiterate in using the concept of CEP
                        I'm not talking about illiterate journalists of the official publication of the US Army.
                        Are there too many illiterate people? Or maybe it's the other way around? And is a certain "professor" illiterate?

                        Quote: Professor
                        I will catch all 100% of the darts

                        And you think that from what you catch, the distribution of hits relative to the center will change ?????????????? laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
                        Professor, you yourself have surpassed yourself in ..... originality.
                        From the fact that you will catch darts only one thing will change - there will be less of them. But their distance from the center of the target will obey the normal distribution.
                        I don’t know what it takes to not understand it.

                        Quote: Professor
                        You do not need to turn on the fool.

                        WHERE MY WORDS CONFIRMING YOUR STATEMENT
                        You attributed the words to me, but you could not confirm them.
                        Therefore, I summarize: Caught in a lie

                        Quote: Professor
                        You stated that "a CEP of 5 meters means that 100% of the mines will fall into a circle with a diameter of 40 meters." HUNDRED PERCENTAGE, CEP? fool With a Normal distribution? Nonsense.

                        Damn ... And this is the one who said that I do not know the Theory of Probabilities.
                        Dear, simple example. Five minutes KVO in five meters. How many mines fly away in a circle with a diameter of 40 meters. That's right, not one. The probability of such an event tends to zero.
                        Not if there will be more mines, for example, 50 thousand, maybe one will fly outside this circle. But the trouble ... is for you ... So many mines for one target are not shot.

                        And more ... For a "literate". Probabilities obey the normal law.

                        Oh-ho-stinkers. It’s not even knowledge of Probability Theory, it’s just common sense ...

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                        So. I caught you in a lie, this time.
                        You have declared almost everyone "illiterate", from the developers of Excalibur to its end users
                        You stubbornly do not pay attention to arguments that are "not in line" for you
                        You do not just do not understand the provisions of Theory of Probability, you are at odds with common sense. At the very least, trying to change the distribution of dart hits relative to the center of the target by catching them, you had to guess

                        To summarize, you are already finally carrying the full blizzard, realizing that you have sat in a puddle on absolutely all the issues raised.
                      13. Professor
                        Professor 28 October 2019 07: 44
                        +2
                        Quote: Spade
                        How many words, how many expressions.
                        But they could not answer the simplest question ...
                        So why was this IMU placed in the shell?
                        How many words do you write before you try to answer?

                        I will answer easily. This unit comes in addition to GPS to control 3's from 6 coordinates, namely roll, yaw and pitch, which GPS is not capable of providing. This is not an inertial navigation system (INS) at all, but only a computational module (IMU). In the event of a GPS failure, the projectile continues to fly toward the target like a regular uncontrolled blanket, CEP. fellow
                      14. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 28 October 2019 13: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        Compute Module (IMU)

                        As the following phrase is translated from the United States Army Field Artillery School, you know, a state player:
                        GPS-Inertial Navigation System (INS) guidance with IMU back up 4-axis Canard Actuation System for enhanced maneuverabilityFinned base for aerodynamic stability
  20. Russian Bear_2
    Russian Bear_2 26 October 2019 15: 05
    0
    Hindus, as always, are original in their choice.
    1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
      Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 26 October 2019 15: 56
      -2
      After all, the rest of the world uses Red Fields, of course.
  21. Earnest
    Earnest 26 October 2019 15: 12
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    ... In addition, the bourgeois shell does not require illumination of the target and is able to destroy the target point at a distance of 50 km. At Krasnopol, the firing range is half that and lighting is required ...

    Not entirely accurate information. Article on VO from 2016 "Increasing the accuracy of ammunition":
    ... Daniels noted the progress in GOS technology over the past few years and called it a key aspect of technological advantage. Raytheon Missile Systems has successfully demonstrated its new Excalibur S in 2014. The Excalibur S shell, in addition to GPS guidance, has a semi-active laser seeker. "The projectile was programmed to fly to the target in GPS coordinates, but when the GOS turned on and started searching for the beam reflected from the target ... As a result, in this very first test the projectile hit the target directly."

    As already mentioned, for some reason the disadvantage of Krasnopol in the form of target illumination suddenly became an advantage of the new Excalibur. We don't write about GPS, we have a projectile BEFORE turning on the seeker on a ballistic trajectory and without GLONASS it will not get lost
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 26 October 2019 16: 52
      +1
      As already mentioned, for some reason the lack of Krasnopol in the form of target illumination suddenly became the advantage of the new Excalibur.
      Well this is elementary! Fair-faced people highlight their goals "democratically", while Russians - "aggressively"! hi
    2. Professor
      Professor 27 October 2019 09: 00
      +1
      Quote: Earnest
      As already mentioned, for some reason the lack of Krasnopol in the form of target illumination suddenly became the advantage of the new Excalibur.

      The firing range of the bourgeois doubles Krasnopol. The possibility of backlighting will only increase the flexibility of use.

      Quote: Earnest
      We don’t write about GPS, we have a shell BEFORE turning on the GOS on a ballistic trajectory and without GLONASS it will not get lost

      Like the bourgeois. Ballistics however.
  22. bars1
    bars1 26 October 2019 18: 37
    0
    To fight with the Papuans (barmalei) Krasnopol, unlike Escalibur, is the most (relatively cheap). Only a UAV with a LZU is required. But India is acquiring Excalibur to counter Pakistan ...
  23. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 26 October 2019 18: 56
    0
    Quote: Tlauicol
    the coordinates of many objects are known

    In other words, the entire territory of a potential enemy was crawled out with navigators and all coordinates were copied to trenches and caponiers, which are not yet available, possibly used in the future.
  24. Operator
    Operator 27 October 2019 16: 24
    -3
    Quote: Spade
    Inertial Measurement Unit

    The professor is old, it’s excusable for him not to know that now in every GOS / every smartphone there are solid-state accelerometers bully