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Media: Moscow and Ankara are close to signing an agreement on the supply of Su-35

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Russia and Turkey are close to concluding an agreement on the supply of Russian Su-35 fighters to the Turkish Air Force. According to the newspaper Daily Sabah referring to our own sources, we are talking about a batch of 36 aircraft.




According to the Turkish pro-government newspaper Daily Sabah, Moscow and Ankara may soon sign a contract to supply Turkey with 36 Russian fighters of the 4 + Su-35 generation, negotiations are close to completion. It is also reported that the parties may conclude an agreement on the production of some components of the Russian aircraft at Turkish enterprises, as one of the conditions for the supply of Russian fighters.

At the moment, there are no official statements from both sides, however, a few days ago the head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation) Dmitry Shugaev spoke about the consultations being held by Turkey and Russia on the probable deliveries of Russian Su-35 and Su-57 fighters to Turkish Air Force At the same time, he expressed the opinion that concrete negotiations on this subject are still far away.

On October 16, the Turkish president, speaking in Baku, said that Turkey has alternative fighter supply options if the United States completely deprives Ankara of fifth-generation F-35 fighters.

Earlier, Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that Turkey is in preliminary talks with Russia on the possible supply of fifth-generation fighter Su-57 and Su-35. He did not rule out the possibility of acquiring Russian fighters for the Turkish Air Force. Erdogan and Putin visited the MAKS-2019 International Air Show in Zhukovsky near Moscow, where he paid great attention to these fighters.
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  1. Nycomed
    Nycomed 25 October 2019 19: 03
    -2
    Well, if so .. 36 is decent. If only not on credit and not for tomatoes.
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 25 October 2019 19: 06
      0
      Quote: Nycomed
      Well, if so .. 36 is decent. If only not on credit and not for tomatoes.

      No, more fun
      It is also reported that the parties may conclude an agreement on the production of some components of the Russian aircraft at Turkish enterprises, as one of the conditions for the supply of Russian fighters.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 25 October 2019 20: 01
        +7
        Well, the Turks still need to update their fleet, so it’s quite reasonable. Moreover, the Su - 35 can be networked. EW systems for the Turks would also fit. The main thing is not to miss the moment when the Turks from friends become not quite friends.
        1. Dreama
          Dreama 25 October 2019 20: 14
          +12
          We do not trade in electronic warfare, but a contract with Egypt (albeit a smaller number) will clearly push the Turks to become more accommodating, if only out of envy. And if you deploy a technical support system for the entire Sushki line at the Russian industrial zone in Suez, then the whole region can be completely self-absorbed.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 25 October 2019 20: 48
            +3
            Well, no one offers to sell the latest technology, although it is possible and the latest in a "cut" version. As a commerce friend of mine says, "the main thing is to get into the market, to stake out a place."
            1. krot
              krot 25 October 2019 21: 06
              +3
              Su-35 is the best aircraft in its class! And not surprisingly, there is a demand for it.
              1. Thrall
                Thrall 25 October 2019 22: 53
                +1
                Quote: krot
                Su-35 is the best aircraft in its class! And not surprisingly, there is a demand for it.

                In order to be bought, military equipment must fight effectively. Or just to fight better than other competitors, but not sold to anyone. We choose the first option, but also offer customers localization of production on their territory and a partial interaction of technologies. It works. If, after Syria, Russia does not have to use its best, including from a commercial perspective, weapons models in practice (God forbid), then this will be done by our customers. 100% working scheme
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 26 October 2019 14: 39
                  0
                  IMHO of course, but the Turks will not buy the Su-35, and we don’t need it.
                  The radius of the Su-35 is such that all Turkey’s neighbors will howl.
                  And Greece will be completely lost.
                  MiG-35 them for the eyes. hi
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 27 October 2019 14: 12
                    0
                    But shaw, we from Greece, had a shoto? In my opinion, it is high time to abandon the stereotype - they are our friends. Buying equipment at a good price - you need to sell, and then your friends.
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 30 October 2019 15: 05
                      0
                      https://lenta.ru/news/2019/10/29/su35/
                      Which should have been proved.
                      Greece is an important country for us. And personally important for me. Orthodox.
                      All problems with the UOC IMHO from friendship with the Sultan.
                      In Greece, the church is part of the state. hi
                      1. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 30 October 2019 19: 31
                        0
                        I have nothing personally against Greece or the Greeks. But what good is Russia? By the way, the Church of Greece, which is very friendly with the CIA, like the Istanbul-based Varfik, has made a cunning "trick with the ears." They stated that Varfik of Istanbul had the right to give autocephaly to the Stsuns. A little more and they recognize Epifan Kuevsky
                      2. Alex777
                        Alex777 31 October 2019 10: 31
                        0
                        All this fuss began after the signing of the contract for S-400.
                        Turks have large territorial claims against Greece.
                        Their planes almost every other day violated the Greek border.
                        I don’t know for sure now, but a year ago it was like that.
                        Therefore, the Turks did not sell NATO air defense. And here we - upset the balance.
                        Previously, the Greeks did not give Americans a base on their territory.
                        Now they have given everything indefinitely. Something like this.
                        Well, autocephaly is the smallest - in Greece, the church is supported by the state.
                        At one time, to raise the country, the Greek church gave all its property to the state. And the state began to pay salaries to priests.
                        So if there is a grudge in the Greek leadership, it is very difficult to resist the church.
                      3. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 31 October 2019 18: 58
                        0
                        How is it not given a base on its territory? I even remember now, although 30 years have already passed - the air base in the city of Larisa, B-52 sat. And hit Suda? The British and the mattresses were based there all their lives.
                      4. Alex777
                        Alex777 31 October 2019 23: 07
                        0
                        And now they’ve given away all the navies. At least base aircraft carriers.
                      5. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 1 November 2019 12: 55
                        0
                        Well, an aircraft carrier is a very healthy trough, not every naval base is suitable for a number of parameters. So - nothing really new.
          2. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 25 October 2019 21: 25
            -6
            Quote: Drёma
            We do not trade REBs

            sure? Or so you want to think personally?
            Quote: Drёma
            then the whole region can be spoiled

            something here it does not spud. Probably because of the free American aid to Egypt and desire. do the Turks still have Western, and not Russian, equipment?
        2. Observer2014
          Observer2014 25 October 2019 20: 23
          +5
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Well, the Turks still need to update their fleet, so it’s quite reasonable. Moreover, the Su - 35 can be networked. EW systems for the Turks would also fit. The main thing is not to miss the moment when the Turks from friends become not quite friends.

          Yes, you need to update the fleet. Nobody argues. Only here there are a lot of questions with the Turks. There are a lot of questions. Peshkova’s death is very fresh in my memory hiMaybe you can minimize the euphoric friendship with the Turks, which suddenly began again, again? Well, without Batya for a century. And all that.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 25 October 2019 21: 10
            +4
            As Gladstone used to say, it is quite suitable for Russia - "there are no permanent friends and permanent enemies, there are only permanent interests." So Russia also needs to benefit from the current situation, but do not forget that today's friend, tomorrow can be anyone.
        3. Chaldon48
          Chaldon48 25 October 2019 20: 26
          +1
          Such a transformation can happen in one second, including on some far-fetched pretext. Our intelligence needs to constantly keep abreast of the pulse.
        4. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 25 October 2019 23: 56
          +6
          Quote: TermNachTER
          The main thing is not to miss the moment when the Turks from friends become not quite friends.

          Turks are friends? belay Not "Leni Golubkovy"?
        5. lekalpan
          lekalpan 27 October 2019 13: 51
          0
          They produce EW. And a very decent Korall.
      2. bayard
        bayard 25 October 2019 21: 35
        +6
        Quote: Observer2014
        No, more fun

        I see no reason for sarcasm. What is surprising or bad is that Turkey will produce some components, they participated in the cooperation on the F-35 and assembled the F-16, and if they get involved in the cooperation on the Su-35, then orders will not be limited to 36 copies. Perhaps even experience with India will be repeated - assembling part of the order at our facilities from our car kits. And Turkey will be a good incentive to exit the useless NATO.
        And credit for such transactions is an ordinary thing - financing is necessary for the production cycle. If the manufacturer takes the loan, then pay him interest. And if the customer? That one. And the company is not in the loser, and the bank observes interest, and it is beneficial to the customer. And the Turks on S-400 paid for the loan after receiving full sets. Everything is fine - there are no altruists.
      3. Jerk
        Jerk 25 October 2019 21: 38
        +4
        Production under license - MUTUALLY profitable wink Those. and we don’t do anything. Of course, I would like to sell my own purely, but there’s such a thing - we need to evaluate the market conditions ... But we are not allowed to enter it diligently. And so - we can break through. So that plus us
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 25 October 2019 21: 23
      -1
      agreement is not a contract. This is just the so-called protocol of intent, which does not oblige both parties to anything. In addition, the agreement itself has not yet been signed.
      Russia and Turkey close to agreement for the supply of the Russian Air Force to the Turkish Su-35 fighter

      What do you comment on? Not a fait accompli and a potential event never to happen?
    3. kuz363
      kuz363 26 October 2019 18: 32
      +1
      And don’t hope .... A loan of at least 50% of the amount is iron. And the rest is tomatoes, oranges and so on.
  2. figwam
    figwam 25 October 2019 19: 04
    +1
    Moscow and Ankara in the near future may sign a contract for the supply of Turkey 36 Russian fighters generation 4+ Su-35

    I congratulate us.
    1. kjhg
      kjhg 25 October 2019 19: 07
      +3
      Your works are wonderful, Lord winked
      1. figwam
        figwam 25 October 2019 19: 11
        +1
        Quote: kjhg
        Your works are wonderful, Lord

        Yes, Turks think fast, not like Hindus.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 25 October 2019 21: 15
          +3
          Quote: figvam
          nor like Hindus

          NOT like Indians. It would be nice to know the Russian language, in which you try to squabble. No Indians (firstly, together) - this is the meaning: "like, Indians, or what?"
          1. poquello
            poquello 26 October 2019 11: 10
            0
            Quote: Gregory_45
            Quote: figvam
            nor like Hindus

            NOT like Indians. It would be nice to know the Russian language, in which you try to squabble. No Indians (firstly, together) - this is the meaning: "like, Indians, or what?"

            "no how" in this case has the semantic meaning "it is not", not "did not", but "nothing" (nothing) here at all, no sideways))))))))))
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 26 October 2019 20: 48
              +2
              Quote: poquello
              "neither how" in this case has the semantic meaning "this is not",

              Only when listing. Example: neither as Indians nor as Chinese. In this case, exactly
              NOT LIKE.
    2. stalki
      stalki 25 October 2019 20: 33
      +3
      I congratulate us
      It's too early, let's wait and see. No need to rush, otherwise you can catch it in the wrong place.
  3. Sergey39
    Sergey39 25 October 2019 19: 05
    -2
    We will wait for the conclusion of the contract for SU-57
    1. armata_armata
      armata_armata 25 October 2019 23: 02
      -3
      And the localization of the production of the SU-57 in Turkey, so what is there to trifle? ...
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 26 October 2019 09: 55
        +1
        people, it is good to be optimists, but the agreement for the supply is like: "would you like the respected Turks to think about buying a su-35 from us?" "hmm .. in principle it is possible, but what is the normal plane, if we take something to start with 36 pieces" "excellent, we will sign the agreement and think about what to do next, but when will you take, have you decided?" "Yes, no .. we do not mind taking it in principle .. but we will think about when and for how much, we will still bargain" ie an agreement is just a preliminary agreement without obligation of prices and terms.
        so here! we are only CLOSE to this agreement, we have not even signed it yet .. it’s too early to open champagne and bring metal to the factories .. I myself will be glad when this happens, but they will already say where they will place it and how they will refuse F-16, but from NATO will come out, slightly prematurely ... and not even slightly ..
  4. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 25 October 2019 19: 05
    -3
    Why are thirty six and not a hundred like penguins? Discrimination.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 25 October 2019 19: 12
      +6
      Quote: Herman 4223
      Why are thirty six and not a hundred like penguins? Discrimination

      Regiment because. Somehow it's clear enough ...
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 25 October 2019 19: 17
        +1
        It is possible to re-equip three regiments, our factories will somehow cope. Although maybe they still laid eyes for a moment, then the norms.
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 25 October 2019 20: 04
          +3
          Most likely this is a temporary and trial measure at the same time. The Turks will look at the reaction of the United States. Our Dryers will test and decide how to proceed. If it all grows together, of course.
        2. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 25 October 2019 21: 28
          -5
          Quote: Herman 4223
          It is possible to re-equip three regiments, our factories will somehow cope

          Our plants can produce 12-20 aircraft per year. It is several years to equip three regiments, and it will be necessary to refuse contracts of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Is Turkish tomato more important to you?
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 26 October 2019 06: 18
            +2
            I think you are not quite right, the plant produces a maximum of 20-25 not because it cannot, but because there are no large orders. If there is an order, let’s say for a hundred cars it will be heavy, then the plant and allies will buy equipment, hire people if they don’t have enough.
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 26 October 2019 14: 06
              -1
              this is just the power limit. Why do contracts stretch for several years for both Moscow Region and foreign customers.

              Quote: Herman 4223
              and the allies will buy equipment, hire people if they don’t grab it.

              yeah, yeah ... you think it's so easy to prepare a specialist? It’s only cleaners from the street you can dial
              Expanding production capacity is a lot of money. Where to put them then, these capacities, after the completion of the contract? Let them stand idle?
              And the third. Do you think that a modern fighter is something akin to a wooden Yak-3? And can they be made several pieces per shift?
              1. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 26 October 2019 14: 34
                -1
                Well, firstly, equipment can be purchased if the contract is large, then the cost of it will pay off. There is an opportunity to reduce the cost of production due to mass production, and this may give rise to new additional orders. The manufactured products require maintenance, and consequently the production of spare parts is increasing. This is work for the very equipment and people. Universities are training specialists; they will require not a million, but a maximum of several hundred, maybe thousands. Such a quantity can be attracted for a good salary, which will also pay for itself because it will make it possible to fulfill the contract. With modern equipment, good specialists can establish the production of not only some highly specialized products, but also something else. Yes, I imagine that modern Su is not Yak3.
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 26 October 2019 14: 36
                  -1
                  did you work in production, are you familiar with it from the inside? According to your opinions, you are convinced that you didn’t even stand close. So?
                2. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 26 October 2019 14: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: Herman 4223
                  Universities train specialists

                  to begin with the fact that universities do not train specialists. Specialists are trained at the enterprise. And it takes at least 5 years to prepare one good ITR specialist (designer, technologist). Despite the fact that he had already unlearned at the university.

                  Etc. If you have not worked in industry, this, and the rest, will be difficult for you to understand and accept.
                  1. Herman 4223
                    Herman 4223 26 October 2019 15: 05
                    -2
                    Do not believe me, I work in industry. When the design and the technological process are planned and developed, the participation of process engineers is minimized. A much larger question arises precisely with working hands, management.
                    1. Grigory_45
                      Grigory_45 26 October 2019 15: 26
                      -1
                      Quote: Herman 4223
                      I work in industry

                      then you should know no worse than me how and what is arranged there, and why I was surprised at your naivety. Why so sure that everything is so simple? Not stool production, hope?

                      Quote: Herman 4223
                      When the design and technological process are scheduled and worked out

                      this never happens. As soon as one design has been completed, another is already replacing it. The process is continuous. And the designer in general should go one step ahead, work for the future.
                      Only ax production technology can be worked out quickly. Or stools. But not as complex equipment as airplanes, etc.

                      Quote: Herman 4223
                      The question arises much more precisely with workers

                      I agree, this is also a very important aspect. But even here to train a highly qualified specialist is not one year. Or do you think he is lying around the fence in bundles?

                      For equipment and space - this is an even more acute issue. Everything rests on such money that without the help of the state it is difficult, almost unrealistic. After all, it is necessary to modernize not only the assembly production, but also the production of subcontractors. What is the use if, for example, an assembly workshop can assemble one aircraft a week, and only one aircraft a month comes from components?
                      1. Herman 4223
                        Herman 4223 26 October 2019 16: 43
                        -1
                        State assistance is great, but as I know, they usually take a loan, where they possibly invest their money. It often happens that additional areas and equipment are not required, they are. People are required for production to start working not in one shift, but for example in two or even continuously in three. And people sometimes also exist, but they do not do their own thing, because they were once dispersed (reduced), but they are waiting for the moment to return. When they’re getting really bad all over the country (shift method). When there is something to do, when there are orders, then all problems are solved. Now the plant makes twenty planes a year, and in a year maybe forty. How many cars were made at the plant in Komsomolsk on Amur, thirty years ago? Surely more than 20.
                      2. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 26 October 2019 21: 33
                        -1
                        Quote: Herman 4223
                        How many cars were made at the plant in Komsomolsk on Amur, thirty years ago?

                        30 years ago there were other planes. And another time.

                        you talk about small, private production. Believe me, in a state-owned enterprise, the more so it works with foreign customers and in the defense sector, it is not so simple. I worked 11 years at the Kurganmashzavod, the production of light armored vehicles. Yes, these are not airplanes, but the general specifics are about the same. we would be happy to make 500 cars a month, work in 3-4 shifts, but this is both unrealistic and nobody needs. For many reasons
                      3. Herman 4223
                        Herman 4223 27 October 2019 11: 00
                        0
                        And here I am at the Tver excavator, once worked. About thirteen years ago, the plant made two hundred excavators a month, plus two or three dozen loaders. The plant is not small at all. But now he makes three hundred cars in a year. There is space and equipment to make many times more equipment. In our city, there are a couple of large factories that either reduce people and switch to one shift, then again they recruit and start working in two three shifts. And people are coming. This is repeated every few years. I hope it’s clear why I described above how in your opinion it is too simple.
  5. knn54
    knn54 25 October 2019 19: 16
    +4
    Really, I have not heard about SPECIFIC negotiations. While it looks like blackmailing the Yankees.
  6. IAI-Azerbaijan
    IAI-Azerbaijan 25 October 2019 19: 21
    -5
    Well done. This NATO will be needed to disassemble the nuts (although there is little that could be innovative for NATO), but still needed. Sure! As with the C400. Turkey may also need it for the production of its fighters in the near future.
    Everything is clearly done by NATO. Mogget! Well done again ..

    ps
    (Dear Erdogan, we are waiting and Su57 in the basket soon.)
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 25 October 2019 19: 36
      +1
      Putin offered Trump a hypersound, they refused something, didn’t want to study for study. Can NATO offer a rearmament on the Su-35?

      Here they will study it normally.
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 25 October 2019 19: 40
        0
        [quote = c. Petrov] Putin hypersonic offered Trump to buy, refused something, did not want to buy to study.


        Trump realized that Putin had prepared a special export version for him, after studying which they would go the wrong way for about 10 years until they realized that they had been fooled.
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  7. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 25 October 2019 19: 32
    +2
    As our Trump would say, "It's a good deal." Another question is who it is good for.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 25 October 2019 19: 37
      +1
      for the industry of Russia - well, an order for 36 fighters. Good for Erdogan. For the enemies of Turkey and Russia, this is bad. It’s bad for the manufacturers of American and all sorts of other companies that could master this order

  8. panov_panov
    panov_panov 25 October 2019 19: 51
    -1
    The country with which we fought 13 times is a member of the NATO bloc, shot down our plane, and the Turkish fighters finished off our pilot. Are we ready to deliver our most advanced aircraft? Is that our most reliable ally ???
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 25 October 2019 20: 38
      -1
      Do not sell, we will sell someone else. This will not make it easier for us. Defense plants need orders.
      1. panov_panov
        panov_panov 25 October 2019 21: 19
        +1
        Interesting logic), as well as the age-old question "does money smell?") ​​Then let's sell to everyone left and right, let's sell to terrorists, they will also sell someone, and factories need orders. After all, we sell our latest aircraft, we have not saturated our regiments with these machines, but are already driving a dubious partner who has historically crap on us) Even in recent history, he sponsored militants in the North Caucasus, and recently killed our pilot!
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 26 October 2019 07: 04
          0
          Firstly, in order for no one to stick to us, you need to have a strong defense industry, so that the industry is strong, it should have a lot of orders, and what will Turkey do with our dryers when we stop selling them spare parts? In a year, many cars will be dismantled for spare parts; in a year, less than half will be in service.
          1. panov_panov
            panov_panov 26 October 2019 10: 15
            -1
            "It is also reported that the parties may conclude an agreement on the production of some components of the Russian aircraft at Turkish enterprises, as one of the conditions for the delivery of Russian fighters." They are not fools)
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 26 October 2019 13: 16
              +1
              Some components may be wheels, or other non-complex elements.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 26 October 2019 15: 39
                -2
                Quote: Herman 4223
                Some components may be wheels, or other non-complex elements.

                the landing gear is also very difficult. As for the cleaning-exhaust systems, as well as for brakes and tires. But, I think, the Turks are not interested. There are no special know-how, they are familiar with the technology, collecting under license F-16 and producing landing gear (as well as parts of the airframe and elements of avionics) for the F-35. They are interested in engines (with a good engine and not a very good plane fly) and radar, avionics elements (computers, building systems), as well as the design of some elements of the airframe. And they will receive part of this (if, of course, in the distant future the agreement grows into a real contract), because without this it would be impossible to master even a screwdriver assembly.
          2. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 26 October 2019 15: 44
            -1
            Quote: Herman 4223
            what will Turkey do with our dryers when we stop selling them spare parts?

            And what did Iran do when the US refused to supply spare parts for the Tomkats? First, they "cannibalized" already non-flying cars, and then ... mastered production or found those who helped to master it. If the sclerosis does not change, the Iranian Tomkats either still fly, or flew until very recently. Although the United States refused technical support 20 years ago

            Quote: Herman 4223
            must have a strong defense industry

            undeniably))

            Quote: Herman 4223
            for the industry to be strong, it must have many orders

            and no matter which and from whom? Industry may be afloat, but if it drives products only for export? .. What about geopolitics? Or maybe ... we’ll sell it to terrorists? And drug lords? They have a lot of money, they’ll buy ...
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 26 October 2019 17: 43
              0
              It can produce spare parts and start, but how quickly it will turn out and what quality it will be. A fake can change the quality of the entire aircraft, its characterization can become much worse. And if instead of our su-35s they buy f15, will everyone be happy? Something seems to me that with the second option there will be no problems at all if Turkey and I again get on our knives.
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 25 October 2019 19: 52
    +4
    It doesn’t work out that we will regret later? Oh and a troubled ally, I think Turkey
    1. kjhg
      kjhg 25 October 2019 20: 13
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      It doesn’t work out that we will regret later?

      It all depends on how long the current friendship will last. Apparently, Erdogan was terribly scared by the attempted coup, since he is ready to risk NATO membership
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 25 October 2019 20: 15
        0
        Quote: kjhg
        It all depends on how long the current friendship will last.

        No matter how long .Turks are traders and this must always be taken into account!
        1. Oquzyurd
          Oquzyurd 26 October 2019 11: 26
          +4
          If they buy, then this is a good gesture on the part of Turkey, and not "hucksters" as you put it. They can buy from China or from Europeans, and nothing will prevent them from doing this. They must correctly evaluate the sign of friendship, and not call names.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 26 October 2019 18: 25
            -2
            Quote: Oquzyurd
            If they buy it, then this is a good gesture from Turkey, and not "traders" as you put it.

            You are too young, and you don’t know the eastern mentality
            Quote: Oquzyurd
            They can buy from China or from Europeans, and nothing will stop them from doing this.

            If everything was so simple, they already bought and did not ask, but things are still there.
            Quote: Oquzyurd
            You must correctly appreciate the sign of friendship, and not call names.

            In the East, to be a merchant is to be respected! And with signs of friendship, we too often get caught. So Armenia introduced our inveterate "partners" to the S-300. And how many secrets of our military-industrial complex were transferred by Ukraine, but then list and enumerate
            1. Oquzyurd
              Oquzyurd 26 October 2019 20: 18
              +2
              "You are too young, and you do not know the eastern mentality"))) I am not young and myself from there, from that mentality, eastern.
      2. SSR
        SSR 25 October 2019 20: 25
        +2
        Quote: kjhg
        It all depends on how long the current friendship will last.

        There is no friendship in politics, there are coinciding "interests", the Turks want to be leaders in the region and not depend on the dollar and Sam sneeze as they did recently.
        Trump threatened to flush the lyre and the economy of the Turks, and what can I say if even the Poles write about the fate of the Kurds.
      3. armata_armata
        armata_armata 25 October 2019 23: 08
        -1
        Apparently, Erdogan was terribly scared by the attempted coup, since he is ready to risk NATO membership

        Apparently Putin spent a lot of money that he decided to sell modern weapons to a NATO member
        ps I am waiting for cons from ardent supporters of the NATO bloc, whom patriots called here cheers
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 26 October 2019 06: 57
          -1
          Something seems to me that you are a supporter of the NATO bloc, since you swear at the word "patriot", pronounce it in a negative context. All countries live on patriotism and love for their fatherland.
          1. kjhg
            kjhg 26 October 2019 15: 19
            -1
            Quote: Herman 4223
            All countries live on patriotism and love for their own country.

            Come on, but I thought that the country rests on smart, educated people. Of course, stupid people too (cannon fodder) are needed. Unfortunately, it is not possible without them yet. And who do you relate to?
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 26 October 2019 17: 11
              0
              If everyone around is smart and educated, but does not have a sense of respect for their country, then this country will perish! There will be no one to protect her, not a word or deed. So the country rests on patriots. On the readiness of people to defend their homeland.
    2. stalki
      stalki 25 October 2019 20: 37
      +1
      It doesn’t work out that we will regret later? Oh and a troubled ally, I think Turkey
      It would be nice to make bookmarks on airplanes.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 26 October 2019 05: 01
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        Quote: stalki
        It would be nice to make bookmarks on airplanes.

        Do not worry, made up to us. The French, Americans, Chinese, Malays, Japanese ..... and their name is Legion.
      2. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 26 October 2019 11: 31
        0
        Yeah, the buyer eats pasta through the ear, thinking that you can only speak with dig lol
    3. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 25 October 2019 20: 46
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      Well, firstly, not an ally, but if they buy some f15 before they quarrel with us, they definitely will not be better. By su-35 it will be possible to stop selling spare parts and in a couple of years, half of the planes will stop flying by itself.
  10. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 25 October 2019 20: 06
    -2
    I don’t even know whether to rejoice at this event or grieve.

    The Turks intentionally shot down our plane and killed the pilot, although they knew very well that Russia was not only not a threat to them, but also an economic partner, only tourists from Russia leave billions of dryrolls in Turkey every year, and Russia for Turkey and the market and source of resources.

    On the other hand, the money for 36 Su-35 fighters will go to our military-industrial complex, which means that our workers and engineers will have a salary, and the enterprise will receive funds for further development.
  11. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 25 October 2019 21: 07
    -2
    It’s going to a big mess, and the barmalei are being seduced by technology. Perhaps at least from some side they will not attack. And the strait will not be closed.
  12. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 25 October 2019 21: 30
    -7
    The logic of the zombies is this: it is necessary to sell weapons to potential enemies, because then supposedly "jobs will appear in Russia." And Germany was pumped up with strategic raw materials in 1941. So then they reached Moscow.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 26 October 2019 12: 31
      -1
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      The logic of the zombies is this: it is necessary to sell weapons to potential enemies, because then supposedly "jobs will appear in Russia." And Germany was pumped up with strategic raw materials in 1941. So then they reached Moscow.

      Do not flip the facts will not sleep peacefully? They didn’t pump up, but appeased, with all their might trying to delay the war. If you are old, you must remember this.
  13. Berkut24
    Berkut24 25 October 2019 21: 55
    0
    Americans are obviously in awe of what's going on in their backyard. Either the Russians in their "zone of responsibility" open trade, then the Kurds will throw the hegemon over with potatoes, then the Aboriginal kings will all go to the meeting in Moscow ... Assad shows an indecent gesture and smiles, the Sultan throws out Trump's letter and sends it to ... Sisi simply smiles and places one Russian tracking station after another on its territory.
  14. Graz
    Graz 25 October 2019 22: 14
    +3
    I would wait, the Turks are Turks, and how they behave in Syria is unknown, do not rush
  15. Pavel57
    Pavel57 25 October 2019 22: 14
    +1
    In addition to the aircraft, weapons are also needed. At least 2 ammunition. And this is a thousand aircraft missiles.
    1. 29dest
      29dest 25 October 2019 23: 00
      -1
      Well, of course, again, they knock down and stop taking tomatoes. But we will sell with 400. Cry and sell ..
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 26 October 2019 06: 44
        -1
        Quote: 29dest
        Well, of course, again, they knock down and stop taking tomatoes. But we will sell with 400. Cry and sell.

        Doubts are clear. 15 wars, of which only 2 times the Turks were allies. When Corfu and modern Syria. But what now. Think Tomatoes and Russo tourist affectionate sanctions? Immediately a coup started. What other pressure schemes from it nau? Turkish stream, nuclear energy, air defense. In full, aviation is also possible. In fact, we make Turkey a regional power. Yes, yes. A state with a second army in NATO is not. Dangerously? Yes. But we gently pinch Erdogan’s eggs in a vice. Now it’s not profitable for the Turks to speak against Russia. What will happen next. It is likely that the second situational ally in Syria, Iran will be wet
  16. 29dest
    29dest 25 October 2019 22: 46
    +1
    I wonder what missiles will give. P-73)
    1. 29dest
      29dest 25 October 2019 23: 05
      +1
      It’s a shame Russia’s shame is when Chechen veterans are paid 4500 pence. And Africa 20 lard dollars forgive
      1. Pavel57
        Pavel57 26 October 2019 01: 42
        -1
        Shame on those who gave these 20 lards 30-40 years ago.
      2. 1976AG
        1976AG 26 October 2019 12: 33
        0
        Quote: 29dest
        it pancake shame on Russia - when Chechen women are paid 4500 pence to veterans. And Africa 20 lard dollars is forgiven

        These lard dollars forgiven them back in the 90s shit democrats.
    2. Pavel57
      Pavel57 26 October 2019 01: 44
      0
      29dest
      There are not many options - R-73, R-77, well, and R-27 to the heap.
  17. Karaul14
    Karaul14 26 October 2019 01: 52
    0
    They continue to blackmail the United States on the issue of F-35.
  18. aszzz888
    aszzz888 26 October 2019 02: 47
    +1
    According to the Turkish pro-government newspaper Daily Sabah, Moscow and Ankara may soon sign a contract to supply Turkey with 36 Russian fighters of the 4 + Su-35 generation,

    And such friendship with the Turks is surprising and alarming. History shows that friendship with them was not, and is not long, and beneficial to us. I don’t know, time, of course, is the chief judge, but I didn’t want us to step on the same rake again.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 26 October 2019 12: 36
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      According to the Turkish pro-government newspaper Daily Sabah, Moscow and Ankara may soon sign a contract to supply Turkey with 36 Russian fighters of the 4 + Su-35 generation,

      And such friendship with the Turks is surprising and alarming. History shows that friendship with them was not, and is not long, and beneficial to us. I don’t know, time, of course, is the chief judge, but I didn’t want us to step on the same rake again.

      But who told you that we have friendship with them ?? For a long time everyone understands that now there is a temporary coincidence of interests and mutual trade, only you remember about friendship.
  19. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 26 October 2019 04: 54
    +1
    It is also reported that the parties may conclude an agreement on the production of some components of the Russian aircraft at Turkish enterprises, as one of the conditions for the supply of Russian fighters.
    But the sale of 36 aircraft is not happy. It will be like in the USA. They expelled Turkey from the program, with its parts, and let's look for a supplier for a replacement., Because the production of parts in the USA was upset-dead. And the sultan is quick-tempered.
  20. Piramidon
    Piramidon 26 October 2019 10: 08
    -2
    Quote: Observer2014
    Only here there are a lot of questions with the Turks. There are a lot of questions. Peshkova’s death is very fresh in my memory

    With such your approach, we need to cautiously trade with so many countries. The French remember 1812, the Germans - 1941, the Chinese - Domansky Island ... Even Austria, Lithuania and Poland also spoiled us a lot of blood in due time
  21. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 27 October 2019 08: 13
    0
    They are afraid that at hour X their F-16s simply will not start.