Tanks of the Tiran family. Trophies for the benefit of AOI

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During the Arab-Israeli wars of the past, the Israel Defense Forces regularly captured numerous trophies. The captured equipment was restored, modernized or rebuilt and sent to its own units. One of the main results of such a lean attitude towards armored vehicles was the series tanks "Tyrant". This series was based on medium tanks T-54, T-55 and T-62, previously owned by neighboring states.


Tanks T-54 / 55 during remaking in "Tiranov"




Trophies of War


Projects of the Tiran series were the direct result of the Six-Day War of the 1967. During this conflict, the armored group of the Arab states was based on the T-54 and T-55 medium tanks delivered by the USSR. The war ended with the victory of the IDF, which also managed to take rich trophies - among them there were significant numbers of tanks of various types.

About 200 captured medium tanks were in good condition and could remain in operation. In this regard, already in 1967-68 years. a decision was made to adopt technology into the arsenal of the Israeli army. For convenience, the tanks were renamed. T-54 machines were now called “Tyrant-1”, T-55 was designated as “Tyrant-2”.

The Six Day War was not the last open clash of nations. In subsequent wars, the IDF repeatedly captured the new T-54 / 55 tanks and adopted them. According to various sources, by the mid-seventies, about 350-400 of such tanks became trophies. The bulk of this technique has become the Tyrants.

As the captured tanks were in operation, various modernization projects were developed that involved the replacement of various equipment or the installation of new devices. All such projects retained the name "Tiran", and it was proposed to distinguish them by numbers and additional letters. Later, the entire series of projects received the general designation T-67 - two digits indicated the year of acquisition of the first "Tyrants."

First upgrades


The Tiran-1 and Tiran-2 medium tanks were the T-54 and T-55 without any modifications. The tanks simply changed their owner and received new identification marks. However, quickly enough, AOI began remaking equipment in accordance with its wishes and needs. The result of this was the emergence of the Tiran-4 and Tiran-5 projects. The project with a triple in the title was missing.


Medium tank "Tiran-4" - slightly modified T-54


The Tiran-4 tank was made on the basis of the T-54 with some changes that did not affect the basic structural elements. So, a new loader hatch was installed on the tower, opening back. In front of him placed a turret with a machine gun M1919A4. Some tanks also received the M2 remote-controlled large-caliber machine gun over the gun. An 60-mm mortar was installed on the tower for the use of lighting or smoke mines.

Also, new antenna mounts appeared on the tower. At the rear of the tower mounted mounts for a pair of water tanks. Later, a full-sized basket was placed there. A similar capacity appeared at the stern of the hull. Over time, the “Tirana-4” received new fenders with drawers and fixtures for the property.

The Tiran-2 tanks were similarly processed, resulting in the appearance of the Tiran-5. Thus, the tanks of the fourth and fifth models had the maximum similarity, and their differences were mainly determined by the difference between the T-54 and T-55 designs.

Tiran-4 and Tiran-5 upgrades were completed at the end of the sixties. They simplified the operation of equipment in the specific conditions of the Middle East, and also ensured its unification with other AOI tanks. With all this, the performance characteristics have not changed.

New weapons


In the early seventies, shortly before the Doomsday War, the Tiran-4 / 5 tanks underwent a more serious modernization aimed at improving combat qualities. X-NUMX-mm guns D-100T ceased to arrange IDFs, because of which they were replaced by more powerful weapons. Also provided for updating management tools weapons.


"Tiran-5Ш" with a bulldozer blade


A new installation with the 105-mm Sharir rifled gun, the Israeli version of the M68 gun from the American Patton tank, was placed in the fighting compartment. Together with the gun, new sighting devices were used. The crew compartment was redone for 105-mm unitary shots. Various improvements related to improving technical and operational characteristics were also offered.

By the name of the new gun, modernization projects received the designations “Tiran-4Ш” and “Tiran-5Ш”. By the beginning of the 1973 war, part of the medium tank fleet managed to get Sharir guns, but other vehicles retained their original equipment. Further modernization continued, and the proportion of carriers of the 105-mm gun increased.

In the second half of the seventies, new attempts were made to modernize the existing tanks. Inspection instruments were replaced, including using modern night vision equipment. Capacities for storage and transportation of property were changed, new lighting devices were introduced, etc.

At different times, the composition of weapons and their control systems was revised. Up to three machine guns of normal and large caliber could be placed on the tank tower. Some vehicles kept the M2 above the cannon, while on others it was transferred to one of the crew’s hatches. Several times the modernization of sights, calculators, etc. was carried out. Some of the tanks received engineering equipment - trawls or bulldozer dumps. By the end of the decade, the Tiran-4Sh / 5Sh tanks received Blazer dynamic protection.

New base


In 1973, the Arab states first used T-62 medium tanks in battle. According to the results of the Doomsday War, part of such equipment in good condition went to Israel. As during past conflicts, the IDF did not scatter trophies and used them to their advantage. T-62 tanks were adopted under the name "Tiran-6".


The same tank, rear view. Clearly visible new baskets and boxes on the hull and tower


Initially, “Tiran-6” was a T-62 with new identification marks. Then the equipment was modernized taking into account the achievements of the Tiran-4 / 5 projects. The tanks were equipped with new storage boxes, other means of communication and surveillance. Was carried out the replacement of full-time machine guns on systems that are in service with the IDF. An 60 mm mortar was also used.

Export option


In the eighties, Israel decided to enter the international market. T-54 / 55 tanks are in service with several dozen countries, and many of them might be interested in an Israeli modernization project called T-67С.

The upgraded tank was equipped with a Detroit Diesel 8V-71T engine with 609 horsepower. and hydromechanical transmission. The hull and turret reinforced with dynamic protection. For firing from the 105-mm gun, a new fire control system based on imported components was used. Due to new optics and viewing instruments, the tank could work day and night.

As far as it is known, not a single foreign country wanted to modernize its T-54 / 55 according to the Israeli project. Like many other modernization options for old medium tanks, the T-67С did not live up to expectations.

Tanks in operation


The medium tanks of the Tiran family began their service in the late sixties, and this determined their future fate. They participated in all the major conflicts of the following decades, starting with the War of Attrition. Moreover, the role of "Tyrants" was constantly declining due to their small number.


"Tiran-6" - a rebuilt version of the T-62


AOI received only a few hundred tanks at a foreign base, and this limited the potential of such equipment. Losses during the fighting reduced its strength, and the construction or purchase of new models reduced its share in the troops. Nevertheless, the “Tyrants” of all modifications were actively used and contributed to the fight against the enemy.

Active operation of the "Tirans" continued until the beginning of the eighties, when the share of new equipment grew to the desired values. The rebuilt T-54 and T-55 began to be sent for recycling or for rebuilding on other projects. One of the main results of this was the appearance of the heavy Akhzarit armored personnel carrier. Part of the armored vehicles without alteration sold to third countries.

However, such events did not lead to a complete rejection of obsolete equipment. The "tyrants" of different versions remained in parts and in storage until the beginning of the current decade. Then it was reported about the presence of 350-370 armored vehicles of later modifications. To date, all or almost all of them have been decommissioned due to complete moral and physical obsolescence.

History medium tanks "Tiran" demonstrates a logical and frugal approach to the conservation and use of captured armored vehicles. Machines suitable for further operation were maintained and updated in accordance with the requirements of the new owners. All this made it possible to strengthen the armored units of the IDF and provide advantages over the enemy - including to capture new trophies. Over time, Israel was able to organize the mass production of its own equipment with high performance, and only after that the captured “Tyrants” began to go out of service.
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  1. +9
    28 October 2019 06: 01
    right now "mikhan" will appear and yell "aaaa !!! cunning Jews !!! wassat
    1. +31
      28 October 2019 07: 27
      The number of captured tanks is simply amazing. It seems that the Arabs did not even try to fight, and after the first shot they switched to a camel and rode away.
      1. +23
        28 October 2019 07: 33
        It seems that the Arabs did not even try to fight, and after the first shot they switched to a camel and rode away.
        This is not a sensation. This is a historical fact. No matter how much I communicated with our people who had been there, except for obscenities against the "allies", I did not hear anything.
      2. +7
        28 October 2019 07: 42
        Most likely, on the donkey! lol laughing wink
      3. +2
        28 October 2019 09: 52
        Quote: Civil
        The number of captured tanks is simply amazing. It seems that the Arabs did not even try to fight, and after the first shot they switched to a camel and rode away.

        Not certainly in that way. For example, they tried in "Valley of Tears", but they did it badly. Although they destroyed after all the Israeli tanks and were close to victory.
      4. BAI
        -4
        28 October 2019 17: 28
        The number of captured tanks is simply amazing

        But the number of Soviet tanks taken by the Germans as trophies in 1941, is not amazing?
      5. +1
        28 October 2019 19: 18
        Quote: Civil
        It seems that the Arabs did not even try to fight, and after the first shot they switched to a camel and rode away.

        No, they threw everything and stood in prayer! hi During the collective prayer, the worshipers become rows after the imam who directs the prayer. The daily prayer cycle consists of five obligatory prayers (fard):
        morning dvuhrakaatnaya prayer (fajr)
        four noon prayer prayer (zuhr)
        four-evening prayer (asr)
        evening three-rake prayer (maghrib)
        four-night prayer night (isha) --- Come and take their tanks and weapons ..
      6. 0
        29 October 2019 08: 40
        Quote: Civil
        It seems that the Arabs did not even try to fight, and after the first shot they switched to a camel and rode away.

        Almost so. It was scary to watch, they just ran away, leaving everything behind. Africa is even better.
  2. +16
    28 October 2019 06: 06
    Arkady Timor - owls. a tank officer, a participant in the hardest battles to break the blockade of Leningrad, who headed a tank repair plant after the war, was accused of anti-Soviet activities in the mid-50s. After serving in prison, he was able to leave for Poland thanks to his wife who had Polish citizenship, and from there he left for Israel. He is the author of a project to modernize captured Soviet tanks. It is also thanks to him that "Akhzarit" appeared.
    1. +5
      28 October 2019 07: 16
      Quote: kiril1246
      in the middle of 50x accused of anti-Soviet activity
      is it after the death of Stalin? What did he do this if he got such a serious accusation?
      1. +14
        28 October 2019 07: 32
        Quote: Pedrodepackes
        Quote: kiril1246
        in the middle of 50x accused of anti-Soviet activity
        is it after the death of Stalin? What did he do this if he got such a serious accusation?

        His wife was a Polish Jewess. They decided to move to Poland. Well, someone didn't like it. In short, I served a couple of years. And in Israel he really did a lot. Although he did not serve here in the army, he was awarded the honorary title of "colonel of the IDF". He headed the "Union of Veterans of the Fight against Nazism" for almost 30 years.

        (he is in the photo with his hand raised).
        1. +6
          28 October 2019 07: 45
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          They decided to move to Poland. Well, someone didn’t like it.

          Well, who benefited from this "vigilance"? And how many more valuable specialists fled from this country or were mutilated in the prisons of the NKVD?
      2. -4
        28 October 2019 07: 36
        In my opinion, he was accused without any practical sense, just to scare him. This is a characteristic feature of any authoritarian system - submission of the law to the will of the ruler and violence for the sake of violence itself. In this, free countries differ from authoritarian ones - this is impossible in principle there, because even because of the rise in price of travel, people are ready to rise and fight, do not allow arbitrariness, because free people are not slaves.
        1. +19
          28 October 2019 09: 31
          Quote: Basarev
          In my opinion, he was accused without any practical sense, just to scare him.

          Just like that, only cats will be born. Yes
          "Hagana" contacted him back in 1945, do you think the MGB did not know about this?
          Quote: Basarev
          do not allow arbitrariness because free people are not slaves

          Why didn’t the Hitlers themselves throw off Hitler? Shaking your skins?
          1. +4
            28 October 2019 19: 58
            Rather, while there were victories, Adik completely satisfied them.
        2. +2
          28 October 2019 11: 18
          Are there free countries on the planet?
          1. -8
            28 October 2019 14: 51
            Yes, almost all countries of the world, except:
            1. The countries of the social camp (including China, North Korea, Vietnam and all sorts of close India)
            2. The Islamic world (religion directly declares slavery and backwardness)
            3. Any poverty like Africa, Latin America or Oceania, which has not grown to freedom (not with a cargo cult about talking about freedom).
            And with their exception, almost all countries are free and rich, there a person has the right, knowledge, to protect and punish the infringers on freedom. In conditional Norway, they will definitely not throw drugs in order to throw them in jail just because of a divergence of political views. There, people are well-fed, calm and apolitical - they don’t care about what is happening outside the city.
            1. +7
              28 October 2019 15: 49
              I don’t want to argue with your naivety. And about the African country of Norway - many do not even want to talk seriously.
              Well, false accusations of sexual harassment have become a traditional entertainment in the West, of course, not just like that.
              1. -3
                28 October 2019 18: 51
                I don’t remember what I called African Norway.
                1. +4
                  28 October 2019 21: 30
                  They call others who are in the subject))) And Marseille simply became a Muslim city.
                  Germany admires the nobility of large-scale migrants who do not have a democratic government.
                  The Butina example is just the light of a democratic court in the States.
                  And such examples do not count.
            2. +3
              28 October 2019 23: 01
              Quote: Basarev
              Yes, almost all countries of the world, except:

              There are two politically independent countries in the world - North Korea and Iran.
              Nobody needs countries, too, is small - perhaps, Nepal, Bhutan, Mongolia.
              Countries in which the US ambassador is afraid to spit in the face of the president / king / prime minister - also barely typed heels.
              Well, to set up tortures for the entertainment of American sergeants - Wuxia Eastern Europe is pleased - Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Romania, Bulgaria. The Union of European Bantustans, where an American sergeant can urinate on the Freedom Monument and wipe his ass with the Lithuanian flag taken from the prosecutor’s office.
              1. -1
                3 November 2019 03: 21
                Quote: Oo sarcasm
                There are two politically independent countries in the world - North Korea and Iran.
                Nobody needs countries, too, is small - perhaps, Nepal, Bhutan, Mongolia.
                Countries in which the US ambassador is afraid to spit in the face of the president / king / prime minister - also barely typed heels.

                I wish you to live like in North Korea, and politichiski like in Iran.
                1. +1
                  3 November 2019 10: 38
                  Well, to you - to experience democracy in your own skin in Abu Ghraib or Guantanomo. And spend life in a tin-cardboard coat of the American ghetto for indigenous people, called reservations.
                  What touches, even the black ... inhabitants of Central Asia, in admiration for American freedoms, identify themselves with the American Anglo-Saxons, and not at all with the Indians.
                  So, MP, enjoy life under tyranny until bloody democracy crushes you.
    2. 0
      6 December 2019 22: 52
      Apparently it was not in vain that he was accused if he left, and even began to work to strengthen the enemy.
  3. +14
    28 October 2019 07: 28
    Once I happened to work with an archaeologist. His name was Beni, the man was extremely short and slender in stature, and as it turned out in the course of communication, he served urgently on old "Magakhs" (M-48), and then in reserve, served as a tank commander on those "Tyrants" and on When asked what he thinks about Soviet tanks, Beni simply said: "Ergonomics is clearly an unknown word for Russian engineers."
    1. +10
      28 October 2019 08: 00
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Once I happened to work with an archaeologist. His name was Beni, the man was extremely short and slender in stature, and as it turned out in the course of communication, he served urgently on old "Magakhs" (M-48), and then in reserve, served as a tank commander on those "Tyrants" and on When asked what he thinks about Soviet tanks, Beni simply said: "Ergonomics is clearly an unknown word for Russian engineers."

      Nevertheless, three reservistic TBRs on the T-5 and one on the T-6 were in service before 2000.
      1. +5
        28 October 2019 08: 08
        We have a poor country, we use what we have. Ze ma she yes, all of them zenatseah (This is what it is, and we will defeat it)
    2. +4
      28 October 2019 09: 56
      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Once I happened to work with an archaeologist. His name was Beni, the man was extremely short and slender in stature, and as it turned out in the course of communication, he served urgently on old "Magakhs" (M-48), and then in reserve, served as a tank commander on those "Tyrants" and on When asked what he thinks about Soviet tanks, Beni simply said: "Ergonomics is clearly an unknown word for Russian engineers."

      My former boss served an emergency in Tirana. He was about 160 cm tall, but he was cramped.
      1. +7
        28 October 2019 10: 28
        My grandfather was tall.
        Typical Russian athlete (after the war he was the champion of the Moscow military district in sambo).
        He served the whole war on 34ki.
        After finishing Bandera in the same machine.
        I never complained, although I burned in this car many times, his eyebrows later never grew.
        1. +1
          28 October 2019 11: 15
          Tank troops against partisans with light weapons? Shoot the dugouts?
          1. +8
            28 October 2019 11: 21
            Do you propose to drive them with light weapons?
            At that time, the use of heavy weapons against partisans was used everywhere.
            And Americans generally used scorched earth tactics using carpet bombing, napalm and chemical weapons.
            1. -3
              28 October 2019 11: 27
              What does the Americans have to do with it? We are talking about using a tank in the forest against Mykola with a Schmeiser and Vasyl with PPSh. What are the goals for the 85-mm gun, to shoot the smerek with ensign?
              1. +8
                28 October 2019 11: 36
                and why, regret shell ?? cheaper than people
              2. +3
                28 October 2019 11: 54
                Quote: Zeev Zeev
                What does the Americans have to do with it? We are talking about using a tank in the forest against Mykola with a Schmeiser and Vasyl with PPSh. What are the goals for the 85-mm gun, to shoot the smerek with ensign?

                Fighting in the forest is one of many possible situations.
                Often covered not in the woods, but on farms.
                And there it goes.
                For example, first with a shell and then with caterpillars.
                1. -2
                  28 October 2019 11: 58
                  On the tank for people? This is only if the wounded crush.
                  1. +8
                    28 October 2019 12: 03
                    Quote: Zeev Zeev
                    On the tank for people? This is only if the wounded crush.

                    This is already respected trolling on your part.
                    And Tsahal would prefer to destroy the enemy’s firing point with heavy weapons rather than send infantry to storm.
                    No need to bring down the sore head to the healthy.
                    I have already given you an example of real atrocity in waging war on the part of the USA.
                    I am taking my leave for the sim.
                    1. -1
                      28 October 2019 12: 15
                      I just can’t understand what goals can be for a tank in the forest when they make fun of the bushes. Columns to guard? Let us suppose.
                      1. +8
                        28 October 2019 12: 34
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        I just can’t understand what goals can be for a tank in the forest when they make fun of the bushes. Columns to guard? Let us suppose.

                        You did not read my post, I described everything in detail there.
                        The use is not in the forest, but in the destruction of groups of militants who are seated in buildings.
                        This situation happened often enough.
                        Reconnaissance and undercover work revealed groups deployed on militant farms.
                        Then they were blocked and destroyed.
                        In the forest, different tactics were used.
                        After the battle with German Nazism ended, the USSR had enough experience and various combat units to solve a wide range of operational tasks.
                        hi
                      2. -3
                        28 October 2019 13: 12
                        Then why did the war with the UPA, the "forest brothers", "Black cats" continue until the end of the 1950s? Until Nikita announced the amnesty, they fought through the forests, despite the variety of units and methods.
                      3. +6
                        28 October 2019 14: 59
                        If your friends because of the Sea-Okiyan and because of the Strait did not support them in all possible ways, it would end faster.
                        And the terrain is clearly not deserted there.
                        Can the French do much against TNF in Algeria? And you will not refuse to try ...
                      4. -4
                        28 October 2019 16: 10
                        No need to leave the topic. The French and Algeria are not talking about anything. Moreover, the Arabs had a powerful flow of weapons and militants from Tunisia and Morocco, and a whole Soviet bloc lay between Western Europe and the USSR.
                      5. +5
                        28 October 2019 16: 21
                        The "Soviet bloc" was not whole then! And the envoys of the "civilizers" infiltrated both the Poland and the USSR! On the territory of which the "Bandera" members operated.
                      6. -4
                        28 October 2019 16: 32
                        Arms and ammunition also imported? For 9 years of war?
                      7. +4
                        28 October 2019 16: 39
                        Was it "embarrassing" to type on the fields of the war that had died down?
                        Yes, and "enemies / patrons" from the Third Reich threw up during the retreat!
                        And to take away the weapon from the killed "Moskalsky" soldier or officer means to do everything for "Glory of Ukraine".
                        It is interesting - where did the Ukrainian nationalists take weapons and ammunition while fighting with Pan Poland in the 30s of the 20th century?
                      8. +8
                        28 October 2019 16: 50
                        The main question is - what are you not comfortable with in the actions of the Soviet troops in the fight against Ukrainian and Baltic nationalists?
                        Why did you get so much "ruffled" at the mention of the use of the T-34 against the "bandit underground" in Western Ukraine?
                      9. -5
                        28 October 2019 16: 57
                        I somehow do not care about the fighting of the MGB and the NKVD against the Ukrainian, Baltic and Belarusian partisans in the post-war USSR. I'm interested in what for in the fight against partisans of the 40-50th T-34 tanks. As I was rightly pointed out - bikes are.
                      10. 0
                        6 December 2019 23: 04
                        Where did you notice this about bikes? Hollowball. You have already been answered in detail several times. The man did not write that his uncle drove a tank through the woods against Bandera every day. But if you included commonplace logic, you would understand that tank troops were supposed to be in the border districts (which were in western Ukraine). And if it was possible to use them against militants, it was foolish not to use them. And you continue about the forests. You ask yourself a topic, you develop it yourself.
                      11. 0
                        29 October 2019 14: 14
                        And where did you get the weapon of the "Haganah" before the creation of the state of Israel?
                      12. 0
                        7 December 2019 08: 38
                        She stole from the British, took trophies from Arabs, bought from smugglers
                      13. +6
                        28 October 2019 23: 07
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        No need to leave the topic.

                        Well, an example from your country: You go against Hezbollah on the Merkava, helicopters and hit missiles with F-16s, but they only have machine guns, and mortars. No tanks, no artillery. request
                      14. -1
                        29 October 2019 11: 58
                        Are there any documents confirming US support for forest Bendera in the 50s?
                      15. +1
                        28 October 2019 23: 05
                        because they didn’t destroy the accomplices and part of the local population that helped them .. they were too soft and the cattle took kindness for weakness! tested for a long time! that was Stalin's miscalculation — the son is not responsible for his father. fed their shoes and clothes, including relatives and local residents .. if they were exterminated and some were resettled, everything would be decided very quickly ..
                      16. MMX
                        0
                        29 October 2019 13: 25
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        Then why did the war with the UPA, the "forest brothers", "Black cats" continue until the end of the 1950s?


                        Did they all have it in their passports that they were "forest brothers" or the UPA?
                      17. +7
                        28 October 2019 13: 04
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        I just can’t understand what goals can be for a tank in the forest when they make fun of the bushes. Columns to guard? Let us suppose.

                        And what goals did tanks have in YL? Fire support in the foreground.
                      18. -4
                        28 October 2019 13: 20
                        YUL what is this? If South Lebanon was from 1985 to 2000 a year, then the tanks were used there to ambush from the NVD and to destroy the seized terrorist groups, to escort the convoys and to provide fire support during gang attacks.
                      19. +10
                        28 October 2019 14: 15
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        YUL what is this? If South Lebanon was from 1985 to 2000 a year, then the tanks were used there to ambush from the NVD and to destroy the seized terrorist groups, to escort the convoys and to provide fire support during gang attacks.

                        Well, and on the memory for the same.
                      20. -4
                        28 October 2019 14: 34
                        The T-34 had thermal imagers, but did Bandera have ATGMs?
                      21. +8
                        28 October 2019 15: 11
                        T-34s could make good clearances in woodlands and cover them with armor from machine gun fire. And one should not think that the "darlings" from the OUN-UPA were armed only with PPs with ancient "muskets".
                        They lacked both light machine guns and company mortars.
                      22. -6
                        28 October 2019 16: 12
                        Clearing in the woods? For this, a bulldozer is needed. Yes, and along the slopes of the Carpathians FIG, he would have climbed there. An armored personnel carrier would have been enough to cover from machine-gun fire, since they were already
                      23. +10
                        28 October 2019 16: 28
                        And tell me how many armored personnel carriers were in the Red Army? Which ones? And in the kind of troops used their bulk? For the year 1945!
                        And enlighten on bulldozers in the USSR - the quantity, places of application, and so on!
                        Do not equal the present times and the times of the end of the Second World War. The country needs to be raised from the ruins, and various "evil spirits" took away human lives and scarce resources that went into recovery.
                        The Germans were not afraid to use French tanks in the mountains of Yugoslavia against the partisans of Tito.
                      24. 0
                        28 October 2019 17: 03
                        Are you serious?
                      25. 0
                        30 October 2019 00: 37
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        Clearing in the woods? For this, a bulldozer is needed. Yes, and along the slopes of the Carpathians FIG, he would have climbed there. An armored personnel carrier would have been enough to cover from machine-gun fire, since they were already

                        I completely agree - a relative of my grandfather, who really fought there, talked about infantry units. Moreover, it was from him that I FOR THE FIRST TIME (long before Libya and Syria) heard information that Soviet soldiers put mortars on American "jeeps" and thus received mobile points of light artillery.
                      26. +3
                        28 October 2019 16: 03
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        The T-34 had thermal imagers, but did Bandera have ATGMs?

                        There were no thermal imagers, but UPA had Fausts and machine guns. The most dangerous thing was not to enter the forest, but to approach it.
                      27. -6
                        28 October 2019 16: 18
                        Faustpatron hits 60 meters and is no more dangerous than a conventional grenade in infantry. And Bandera did not have this weapon in commercial quantities.
                      28. -1
                        30 October 2019 08: 20
                        ATGMs of course were not, but there are enough faustpatrons. hi
                      29. +3
                        28 October 2019 16: 11
                        So, in particular, in the fall of 1997, Israeli troops fought in southern Lebanon with Hezbollah militants. In September and October, they managed to destroy three Merkava Mk 3 tanks with Soviet-made 9K111 Fagot ATGMs. The loss of these vehicles seriously affected the morale of the Israeli tankers, and the command was considering the withdrawal of heavy equipment from the security zone. This fact led to the emergence of an even more secure modification of the Merkava Mk 3B Baz Dor Dalet. At the same time, the single fact of the successful shelling of Israeli ATGM tanks does not yet indicate the weakness of their defense. In southern Lebanon, the Merkavas carried out tasks uncharacteristic of tanks and were used primarily as fixed firing points at road crossings. Hezbollah fighters could easily choose a convenient moment of the attack and the shelling sector.
                        An example with the Merkava Mk 3B Baz Dor Dalet tank is also indicative. Four of these tanks were lost in the Gaza Strip. They were destroyed by explosive devices stuffed with 50 to 100 kg of explosives. The first was blown up on February 14, 2002, the second on March 14, and the last two in February 2003. 4th generation armor costs little in guerrilla warfare.

                        Mikhail Baryatinsky
                        Israeli tanks in battle
                        Against a mine of 100 kg of explosives, the tank has not yet been created.
                        And your military in 1997 lost tanks like the Turkish army in the past and this year! Exposing them as simple firing points without proper cover!
                      30. 0
                        28 October 2019 16: 18
                        Quote: Zeev Zeev
                        I just can’t understand what goals can be for a tank in the forest when they make fun of the bushes. Columns to guard? Let us suppose.

                        Yes, calm down, the man of his relative, who poisoned army tales, takes everything seriously.
                      31. BAI
                        +13
                        28 October 2019 17: 23
                        I just can’t understand what goals can be for a tank in the forest

                        We start in order:
                        Finnish war.
                        The fighting in Belarus, the Leningrad region, Karelia (the whole war).
                        Operation Bagration, the fighting in the Carpathians.
                        Tanks fought not just in forests, but also in swampy forests and in mountainous and wooded areas.
                        When there is a tank, it is always good for those who have it, and bad for those who do not. It doesn’t matter in the forest or in the field.
                  2. MMX
                    +1
                    29 October 2019 13: 19
                    Quote: Zeev Zeev
                    On the tank for people? This is only if the wounded crush.



              3. +5
                28 October 2019 17: 06
                If Mykola and Vasyl dug in and it is difficult to get them, then a shot of an 85 mm gun on the den completely discourages the desire and the opportunity to pick up Schmeiser with PPSh in the future!
      2. +1
        28 October 2019 11: 35
        so the profile is less difficult to hit!
      3. 0
        28 October 2019 12: 39
        "Ergonomics is clearly an unknown word for Russian engineers"

        The Germans with ergonomics, everything was fine, but ........ the result is known! Less reserved volume, less silhouette and less weight, but thicker armor! hi
    3. +8
      28 October 2019 11: 40
      Beni simply said: "Ergonomics is clearly an unknown word for Russian engineers."

      Right on TV they said, aliens are you, not people. And if it’s not people, then the human tank is uncomfortable for you, the joints are not there. (joke)
  4. +4
    28 October 2019 07: 32
    Well, if our tanks were ... I don’t think that they intrigued Israel.
    And a question for experts.
    The term "modernization" constantly slips through the article. When it comes to observation and guidance devices, this is understandable. About the "trunk" even more so.
    But to redo the direction of opening the hatch, weld the machine gun mount and a couple of boxes, redo the antenna input ... Somehow it does not pull on such a term. Or am I wrong?
  5. +5
    28 October 2019 08: 11
    Quote: Basarev
    In this, free countries differ from authoritarian ones - this is impossible in principle there, because even because of the increase in the price of travel, people are ready to rise and fight, do not allow arbitrariness, because free people are not slaves.

    Fu! How implausible it was ... You forgot to turn the page in the "manual" for 2019.
  6. +4
    28 October 2019 11: 13
    Quote: Civil
    The number of captured tanks is simply amazing.

    More than in service with many countries)))
  7. 0
    28 October 2019 11: 19
    There are no examples of the number of Tyrants losses in different wars.
    1. +3
      28 October 2019 16: 00
      Mikhail Baryatinsky
      Israeli tanks in battle
      By the beginning of this war, they accounted for 7,6% of the Israeli tank fleet. The irretrievable losses of the T-54/55 amounted to 7 vehicles. However, it should be noted that the brigade equipped with these tanks entered the battle only on October 12, 1973.
      Model “S” is an export version of the modernization of the Tiran-5Sh and Tiran-6 tanks, which appeared in 1984. On the tank are installed: Detroit Diesel 8V-71T engine with a capacity of 609 hp.; semi-automatic hydromechanical transmission; Blazer dynamic protection weapons stabilizer company HR Textron Incorporated; OMS Matador; heat-insulating cover of the gun; new commander's cupola; passive night devices of the commander, gunner and driver, new tank controls (helm); new equipment boxes, etc.
      Since the early 1980s, the Tiran 4 and Tiran 5 tanks were supplied to the Lebanese Christian militia, as well as to the Army of Southern Lebanon (AYL). For example, around 18 Tiran 4 were delivered to AYL in 1987. Since the late 1980s, AYL has consistently had approximately 30 tanks of both modifications. After the collapse of the AYL in May 2000, some of the tanks returned to Israel, some were destroyed (including the bombing of Israeli aircraft), and several fell to Hezbollah. It should be noted that only tanks armed with Soviet 100 mm cannons were delivered to Lebanon.
      In 1990, 30 Tiran 5 tanks were sold to Ethiopia, and in 1997-1998, 15 “S” model vehicles in Uruguay.

      With combat episodes and the loss of this technique is completely scarce!
  8. +4
    28 October 2019 12: 19
    Quote: Civil
    The number of captured tanks is simply amazing. It seems that the Arabs did not even try to fight, and after the first shot they switched to a camel and rode away.

    Vadim! If even now the number of trophies is striking, then what can we say about the early 70s, when such numbers were first heard from the programs of the Voice of America. At first they thought that this was "nonsense", but as the fathers of some of us boys began to return from hot spots where they were advisers, it became clear that the "Voices" in this regard do not lie ...
  9. +3
    28 October 2019 22: 05
    The work of the Ministry of the distribution of wealth of the motherland again and again is impressive ..
    First create a European state.
    Then equip the neighbors with a loan.
    Then duty to forgive. Writing for.
    Forgive again.
    Give to others ..
    Are there any tribes on the planet who did not receive something obtained by the hellish and free labor of the Soviet people?
    How many countries have been enriched while we have denied ourselves everything. Yes, and now the same ..
    “Thank you, generous employee of the Foreign Ministry! ..
    1. +2
      28 October 2019 23: 27
      Right now, not very smart people will run in and start proving with foam from the mouth that this is such a great multi-wayway and what to do and how to do it, as recently, 20 yards of greenery were written off to black blacks. And we are not allowed to stupid questions of our wise and irremovable power questions set.
  10. 0
    10 December 2019 14: 23
    What can you say - smart people are these sons of Israel. The Finns also treated their trophies with care after the Winter War.

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