American missiles in Poland and Romania are aimed at Russia. How to answer?

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The United States intends to deploy its Tomahawks in close proximity to Russian borders. Missile defense bases will appear in Poland and Romania. Now these two countries are considered by the United States as key allies in the East European direction.





Military base in Redsikovo


The military base at Redzikovo could acquire a vital importance for the American missile defense system. This is a small village 150 km from Gdansk, home to about 1,5 thousand people. Not far from the village there is an old military airport, where one of the Polish aviation regiments. Then it was decided to create an anti-missile defense base in the village. Now its construction is being completed, so the opening of the base is a matter of the near future. The American command plans to deploy launchers of the most modern American SM-3 missiles on this base.

Representatives of the US armed forces assure that the deployment of missile defense in Poland will protect Europe from missile attacks from Iran. But it’s clear that Tehran was not going to and is unlikely to plan to strike at Europe, especially at Poland, which is of no interest to it and has never had direct conflicts with Iran. But next to it is Russia, against which American missiles are actually directed.

By the way, with the installation of the Mk-41 system Aegis can be launched and the famous Tomahawk cruise missiles, designed for medium range. On 18 on August 2-19, the Americans tested a medium- and shorter-range ground-based missile just on the basis of the Mk-41 launcher. This launcher will be located in Redzikovo.



The range of missiles launched from this installation is up to 5 thousand kilometers. That is, by deploying such installations in Poland, the American armed forces are able to threaten the western regions of Russia. And in Moscow this circumstance cannot but cause concern.

But we are very happy about the American base in Warsaw. For Poland, the deployment of missiles is not only another unfriendly gesture towards the hated Russia, but also a source of additional funding, evidence of the deepening of "special" relations with the United States, which the Polish leadership cherishes more than the country's membership in the European Union. Therefore, the Americans did not have any problems with the deployment of a military facility on Polish territory, moreover, in Warsaw they insist on a further increase in the American military presence in Poland.

Meanwhile, not everyone in Poland takes a clear positive view of the deployment of an American missile defense system in Redzikovo. Thus, the Polish publicist Marek Shchverchinsky in his article in the publication Polityka emphasizes that Redzikovo would rather suffer from a Russian preventive strike than it would become a place from where the Americans would strike Russia. The Polish author also noted that the Poles themselves do not fully know and do not understand what kind of missiles the Americans are going to deploy at the base in Redzikovo.

However, when it comes to American bases, the Polish leadership demonstrates a rare uncompromising attitude and immediately forgets about democracy as the “core value” of European states: no one has asked and is not going to ask ordinary Polish citizens if they agree with the location of a potentially dangerous facility foreign armed forces on its territory.

American missiles in Poland and Romania are aimed at Russia. How to answer?


US missile defense in Romania


A similar US missile defense base is deployed in Romania, in the town of Deveselu. This settlement is located in Wallachia, in the south of the country. In 1952, Soviet specialists built a military air base here - then Romania was an ally of the USSR and, of course, Moscow provided it with comprehensive assistance in the development of military infrastructure, in fact, re-formed the Romanian armed forces defeated by the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War. The Romanian air base existed in Devesela for fifty years, until the 2002 year.

In 2010, Romanian President Traian Basescu allowed the construction of an American military base here, and in 2014, the deployment of a US missile defense system began in Devesela. At the base are 3 missile defense batteries. Each battery is armed with 8 missile defense SM-3 Block IB. Regarding the presence of Tomahawk missiles at the Romanian base, information is divergent. It is possible that the Americans deployed their cruise missiles in Devesela.

A military base in Romania has also been deployed solely to confront Russia. Only if the Polish base is oriented to the north, then the Romanian - to the Crimean peninsula and the southern regions of Russia.

As you know, one of the most important US tasks in the Black Sea region is to prevent the expansion of the Russian military presence in the Black Sea, especially against the background of the reunification of Crimea with Russia and the political situation in Ukraine. And the deployment of missiles in Romania fits into this concept.



Of course, the US military itself claims, as in the case of the Polish base, that the missiles are deployed exclusively for defensive purposes in order to protect Southeast Europe from possible aggressive actions by Iran. However, while the Romanian direction can somehow be connected with the need to protect against Iran, the deployment of anti-ballistic systems in Poland is even purely geographically difficult to explain with the need for protection against Iranian missiles.

The Romanian authorities, like the Polish leadership, are very supportive of the presence of the US military on its territory. Although Bucharest does not make such harsh statements against Russia as Warsaw, it is clear that Romania is now one of the most important components of the American system of containing Russia in Eastern Europe.

In addition, Romania has its own claims to Russia related to Russian influence in Moldova. Chisinau is still rushing between Moscow and Bucharest, which Washington and Brussels are behind. Against this background, the deployment of American missiles on Romanian territory is seen as another way to harm Russia, since it has not been possible to completely “Romanize” Moldova and solve the Transnistrian conflict in the interests of the West.

Meanwhile, the American base actually does not bring anything good for Romania. For example, in 2016, nuclear began to be transported to the base at Devesela. weapon from the Incirlik base of the Turkish Air Force, which previously housed the US military. The deployment of nuclear weapons is associated with numerous risks that are inevitably present in the event of the appearance of such military infrastructure in the country. In addition, in the event of a real armed conflict with Russia, the territory of Romania in this case will become a target for Russian missiles.

How can we answer the Americans


Naturally, the Russian leadership took very painfully the deployment of US military bases with missiles in Poland and Romania. Moscow’s concern has especially increased after the US withdrew from the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate and Shorter-Range Missiles, which created additional risks. Indeed, now the United States does not even have formal obstacles to deploying medium-range missiles in Poland and Romania. And there is no doubt that Washington will take advantage of new opportunities with pleasure.

Almost immediately after Vice-Admiral John Hill, the head of the United States Missile Defense Agency, visited Poland, an operational meeting of permanent members of the Russian Security Council was held in the Kremlin with the participation of President Vladimir Putin.

Probably, the question of the upcoming deployment of American missiles in Poland could be the main topic on it. After all, Moscow is now extremely concerned about how to respond symmetrically to the Americans to their unfriendly actions. Although Russia promised not to deploy its medium- and shorter-range missiles, this promise was valid until the United States itself began to deploy missiles in Europe. Now, as we see, the US military command has created all the necessary conditions for deploying medium-range missiles at military bases in Poland and Romania.

How can our country respond to the deployment of American missiles in Poland and Romania? To begin with, back in February 2019, Russian Minister of Defense Army General Sergei Shoigu emphasized: Russia intends to develop a ground-based version of the Caliber complex with a long-range cruise missile and a ground-based complex with a long-range hypersonic missile.



If the Americans did not abandon their plans (and they did not abandon them, there is no doubt about that), Russia could deploy Caliber and Zircon ground-based missile systems in at least two directions. The first direction is Kaliningrad. The deployment of missiles in the Kaliningrad region will create parity with American missiles in neighboring Poland. Mk-41 launchers will be under the gun of Russian systems. And Warsaw will have to think about whether it is worth turning its territory further into a target for Russian weapons, or whether American bases are not so necessary for the country.

The second direction is Crimea. After reunification with the Russian Federation, the peninsula regained its strategic importance in the defense system of our country. And the importance of Crimea is not only that the main base of the Russian Black Sea is located in Sevastopol fleet. Missile systems can also be deployed on the peninsula, also directed towards Europe. At the sight of missiles stationed in the Crimea, will be the very base in Devesela in Romania. That is, in this direction Russia will adequately respond to the United States.

In addition, missiles from bases in the Crimea will be able to operate on targets in other European countries that are part of the North Atlantic Alliance and deploy American military bases and American weapons on their territory.

It is practically impossible to intercept Zircons, therefore, in the event of a conflict, Russia will be able to deliver a guaranteed strike against US and NATO military facilities in Romania, Poland, Italy, Greece and some other countries of Eastern, Central and Southern Europe. The authorities of these countries should consider whether there is practical sense in the deployment of American facilities, or whether they bring much greater danger to their states than without the deployment of military bases of the American army.
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  1. +22
    25 October 2019 06: 03
    It is almost impossible to intercept Zircons, therefore, in the event of a conflict, Russia will be able to deliver a guaranteed strike against US and NATO military facilities in Romania, Poland, Italy, Greece and some other countries of Eastern, Central and Southern Europe. The authorities of these countries should think, is there any practical sense in the deployment of American objects, or whether they bring much greater danger to their states than without the deployment of military bases of the American army.

    Yes, the authorities of these NATO countries can not think about it! For the Pentagon about the beginning of the US war with Russia, the leadership of these countries will even, most likely, notify! Deceive by inventing a false excuse.
    The USA will just start a war with Russia - and that’s it! Putting these countries before the fact of its beginning!
    No need to be naive!

    The US will have one reason - to win the war against Russia, using these countries as just a CONSUMABLE MATERIAL for the USA!

    Russian missiles must be placed near the USA! And not only in the Crimea and the Kaliningrad region.
    1. +8
      25 October 2019 06: 45
      In Crimea and the Kaliningrad region, missiles of the corresponding range are located. Not falling under the INF Treaty. And for Washington and all the places where their elite can hide, there is a nest egg. Which there is no need to move anywhere closer to the goals. And so they get it.
      1. +1
        25 October 2019 06: 56
        Quote: YOUR
        And for Washington and all the places where their elite can hide, there is a nest egg. And so they will get it.

        I'd like to hope so, that it was so! Yes
        1. -2
          25 October 2019 07: 30
          Moscow’s hand will get everywhere! wink
        2. +6
          25 October 2019 07: 37
          but how differently? there is no point on the map where we could place INFs threatening Washington, there are ICBMs and there’s nothing more to hope for
          1. -2
            25 October 2019 13: 02
            And what are submarine missile carriers? They are riveted hard!
        3. +3
          26 October 2019 00: 32
          I do not understand. It is enough to put under OUR sight European cities and loudly declare "while American nuclear weapons are in Europe, you are the first target." One rocket per city, okay. I think that American missiles will not be there for long.
      2. 0
        28 October 2019 06: 53
        There should not even be options. Retaliatory strike at the decision center! This is the USA! No need to fence calibers and others, spend the meager capabilities of our Ministry of Defense on them. There should be an increase in the production and arsenal of intercontinental missiles. When somewhere they will understand that on one rocket in Europe one rocket will appear, which will fly anywhere. That desire to place something will disappear due to the threat of a real blow.
    2. +4
      25 October 2019 07: 33
      Russian missiles must be placed near the USA! And not only in the Crimea and the Kaliningrad region.

      For this you need bases. And many conditions - a friendly regime in the long term, the construction of the base itself, security (at least a minimal gentleman's set - a motorized rifle battalion, a mixed medium / short-range air defense battalion, a Mi-17 / Mi-35 squadron), logistics, economic support of that state and etc. etc. The combat stability of such a base in the American "underbelly" will not be very high. As if the price of the issue would not be higher than the construction of one or even two SSBNs with ICBMs or SLCMs.
      In my opinion, your statement is correct, but there are cheaper and more effective solutions.
      1. +5
        25 October 2019 10: 31
        Quote: dzvero
        Russian missiles must be placed near the USA! And not only in the Crimea and the Kaliningrad region.

        For this you need bases. And many conditions - a friendly regime in the long term, the construction of the base itself, security (at least a minimal gentleman's set - a motorized rifle battalion, a mixed medium / short-range air defense battalion, a Mi-17 / Mi-35 squadron), logistics, economic support of that state and etc. etc. The combat stability of such a base in the American "underbelly" will not be very high. As if the price of the issue would not be higher than the construction of one or even two SSBNs with ICBMs or SLCMs.
        I think your statement is correct, but there are cheaper and more efficient solutions.

        About a year and a half ago, foreign journalists at a GDP press conference asked about Russia's plans to return military bases to Cuba and Vietnam, to which he replied: - "And why? Whom do we need and so we will get!"
        Nevertheless, cunning Americans hope that they will be able to win through a simultaneous massive strike and to exhort them with calls to change their minds because they can come to an understanding of the need for peace only when they fully feel the threat of US defeat in the event of a war. So their entire territory should be the first and priority goal of our missiles, regardless of what territory the missile will launch in our direction.
        1. +1
          25 October 2019 19: 41
          You, almost all, of the writers above do not understand the simple term - flying time. American missiles from Europe will reach Moscow in 7 minutes, Putin and Shoigu will not have time to hide. But our missiles (ICBMs) fly to the United States for 30 minutes, Trump has time to board a helicopter and knock down. Well, why are you all giving them such a head start? This time.
          Two. Compare the price of the BMD and ICBMs, then it will reach you that such a war will cost them even cheaper.
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          2. +1
            25 October 2019 21: 38
            There is a new hypersonic recourse but so far not enough but if, WHAT, then the issue will be resolved and the "partner" will not DUMP. Where are from America, at least for 30 minutes, at least more, if there is a sudden something in Yellowstone Volcano ... belay .... Dand the beloved USA "dead hand" warms the soul soldier , If WHAT - Sleep, calmly united Pacific Ocean. Yes, and "Poseidon" to help them ... hi
          3. +2
            26 October 2019 13: 43
            "American missiles from Europe will reach Moscow in 7 minutes" - All that is now in Europe is subsonic Tomahawks, there is nothing else there - MRBMs and ground-based hypersonic tactical missiles are still at the project stage. Russia already has an interception system S 400, S 300V4, a missile defense system A 135, Buk M3, as well as an online early warning system against them.
            1. 0
              26 October 2019 18: 46
              It would be nice to add a quantity to "we have"
              1. 0
                27 October 2019 15: 01
                Soon, the Prometheus air defense missile system will add new radars to all of the above.
          4. +1
            27 October 2019 12: 05
            tongue Kisilev showed from afar to the pentagon zircon with a submarine fly 5minutes
          5. 0
            28 October 2019 07: 02
            From Chukotka and Kamchatka will fly faster. Our blow to Europe is of little concern to the United States, Europe is far from them and there are vassals who do not mind. Infected clouds from Europe will cover most of European Russia. The real answer is the construction of intercontinental missiles, and nuclear missile cruisers that can approach the United States at a distance of several hundred kilometers.
      2. +5
        25 October 2019 11: 08
        Ivo! In fact, why not return to the tested reception of the USSR - the struggle for peace. In fact, it is not true that the United States signed an agreement on the RMND only to humiliate the USSR. At that time, thousands of demonstrations took place all over Europe on such a scale that pro-American governments were staggering. So on the part of the United States, the decision on the agreement was also compelled. Now, with the Internet, you can bring to the population of this part of Poland what will happen to them in the first minutes of the war. With skillful propaganda, you can cause a tantrum - with campaigns in Warsaw, blocking roads, etc. Our opponents will have nothing to cover, for the self-preservation instinct dominates.
        1. +7
          25 October 2019 14: 46
          So, like the USSR, unfortunately, modern Russia will not succeed. The USSR had an ideology attractive to the masses. Then there were still many people who survived the horrors of WWII, as well as their children. In addition, left forces can be mentioned. It was possible to implement this approach.
          And today ... There is no ideology as such, regrettably. The image of Russia among ordinary people is rather negative. In the media space, there is only one RT, however, quite popular. The wide spread among young people of "facebook thinking", I hope, it is clear what I mean. The fear of nuclear war, recognized during those demonstrations, has faded into the background, or even the third plan. Thanks to Hollywood - nuclear war now seems to be something exotic, anime and even in places cute. In my opinion, reaching out to the minds of everyone is obviously a losing cause.
          People's psychology is also worth mentioning. There are few places where Russia can be supported purely emotionally or relying on common sense. In most countries, the position of the man in the street is "what about us?" And in some places Russophobia will always prevail over reason.
          So, in my opinion, modern Russia has too few tools to influence the minds of the broad masses in the West. The already mentioned RT will not pull, and those who are interested will cut access whenever they want. All that remains is the balanced foreign policy of the GDP and the Foreign Ministry. The popularity of your president in the West is a clear confirmation of this. The results of polls like "Do you want Putin to run for president" are also very indicative. So there is still a chance to "reverse the trend", albeit small.
          By the way, from the comments here I see that the GDP is often criticized ... "Putin, go away", "good tsar, bad boyars, until", etc. Weeds in domestic politics can and do, I can not judge. But they are the costs of the "new course" of the bourgeois path. The solution of these problems is an internal affair of the Russian people. Any impurity from the outside will only aggravate and, most likely, bloody the country.
          The post turned out to be long, and probably someone will feel offended, it's just my personal vision of the question you raised. And if you need to summarize the text of the "sheet" in two words - "Russia has two allies - the army and the navy" (c) is not mine.
          1. +3
            25 October 2019 15: 34
            Ivo! thanks for the answer. This is not about the influence of Russia on the minds of Western people in a conceptual sense. The authorities in Russia are well aware that it will not work, and it is not necessary to present the modern Russian Federation as an example for. I thought about a narrower task. I believe that Russian propaganda can instill fear in the population of the neighboring regions of Poland about the consequences of the proximity to the American base. Precisely to destroy the myth of the "nyashny" nuclear war. If you do not put the question globally, then such a task in a narrow perspective - with a concrete display of the horrors of war specifically in the area of ​​the American base IMHO is quite achievable. Such a formulation of the question will have an emphasis not on rights or freedoms, but with an emphasis on the instinct of self-preservation
            1. 0
              26 October 2019 00: 55
              Damn, it's simple. "You're at gunpoint." "Die first" "order your waste in advance" - these are the slogans that need to be conveyed to the Poles. Remember how England set them up. Like, you're under the hood again. Here are the propaganda ideas. Few? Enough. Refrain - "your skin is already on fire." Your president and government are to blame. Poles, the first under attack and will not survive as a nation !!! Great slogan. Where is the power of recitation ?! Indistinct ... are we worried ?! Yes, they are. And they have to pee in their pants from our concerns. Do not urinate. Tufa concern. Shame on "Vysurkovskaya" propaganda. Or what is she like there today ?!
        2. 0
          25 October 2019 16: 56
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Our opponents will have nothing to cover, for the self-preservation instinct dominates.

          You forget that you are not dealing with German terpils. The answer will be the requirement of their nuclear weapons, and not American. Poland is twice as large as Pakistan in economics, not to mention the DPRK, so the thing is quite marketable.

          And by the way, the force of movement of the Bet Red Zen Dead also does not need to be exaggerated. Kohl didn’t stagger anything and close. The state radio and television broadcast of a slogan lied on this subject.
    3. -1
      25 October 2019 09: 56
      So Cuba has already secured $ 30 million from Russia for the restoration of launch complexes and sites for our missiles.
      Venezuela will be the second host country.
      Nicaragua is next in line, but it is not very stable there.
      We will live and see everything.
    4. 0
      25 October 2019 11: 39
      Quote: Tatiana
      Russian missiles must be placed near the USA! And not only in the Crimea and the Kaliningrad region.

      In Canada, do you offer ??? In Mexico?
      Why, me. - per....
      fool fool fool
      1. -1
        25 October 2019 14: 08
        In Canada, do you offer ??? In Mexico?

        What for? Enough in Chukotka .....
        1. -1
          25 October 2019 17: 01
          Quote: bk316
          Enough in Chukotka .....

          There is a powerful missile defense area. Not pathetic Standards like in Europe, but GBI
          1. 0
            28 October 2019 19: 10
            Not pathetic Standards like in Europe, but GBI

            First, not there, but to the west, learn the materiel.
            Secondly, can’t an avant-garde be put on a medium-range missile? And throw away all your GBI
            1. -1
              28 October 2019 19: 13
              Quote: bk316
              First, not there, but to the west, learn the materiel.

              And you are not flying to the West?
              Quote: bk316
              Secondly, can’t an avant-garde be put on a medium-range missile?

              He exists?
              1. 0
                29 October 2019 15: 27
                And you are not flying to the West?

                From Chukotka to Caliphony? U how everything is running ....
                SOUTH EAST! California is in relation to Washington to the wild west and in relation to Russia to the east. Ek, you pierced like a Negro in Yakutia laughing
              2. 0
                29 October 2019 15: 28
                He exists?

                Well, if it’s been flying for 5 years, it’s probably there belay
    5. +2
      26 October 2019 22: 00
      The whole trouble is that the Stars and Stripes expose an ALIEN population, even if the "partners" in NATO under attack. Not all Europeans agree with this. But, the governments of most European countries have long leased their anus to North American owners. Russian citizens will become hostages in Kaliningrad and Crimea. This is the main difference.
    6. +1
      29 October 2019 22: 04
      I believe our missiles are already off the coast of the United States and are waiting in the wings.
  2. +4
    25 October 2019 06: 24
    This is what the statements of "concern" and the calling of enemies "partners" have brought to.
    1. -4
      25 October 2019 08: 13
      This is what the statements of "concern" and the calling of enemies "partners" have brought to.

      propose to start an invasion of Poland to prevent the deployment of American air defense and missile defense there? What can you offer besides loud exclamations? Poland, a NATO member, gave permission to deploy the US Army on its territory and missile defense is a defensive system, not an offensive one. And there’s nothing to argue with.
      1. +3
        25 October 2019 11: 46
        Ka-52! You don't have to invade. With a skilful staging of the propaganda of the Polish population on our part, it is possible to bring the population to hysteria. Example: the struggle for peace in Europe in the eighties, when the pro-American governments there, who agreed to put the Pershing, staggered. Just do not be ashamed - when propaganda serves the purposes of Russia, it is good.
        1. +1
          28 October 2019 08: 04
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          With skillful staging of propaganda of the Polish population on our part, you can

          seriously think that cheap propaganda is now working, but in the 21st century, the Solovyovs and Kisilevs are already crowed even in Russia, no one is looking for pensioners. And everything else, like a troll factory, is being filtered right now.
  3. -4
    25 October 2019 06: 25
    For example, in 2016, nuclear weapons from the Incirlik base began to be transported to the Devesela base.

    So there is a "bomb" in Romania or not?
    1. +4
      25 October 2019 07: 38
      maybe there’s a bomb, but you won’t fasten it to a tomahawk
      1. -5
        25 October 2019 07: 43
        If nuclear weapons are stockpiled in Romania, this is one thing. If not, then another. And the possible answer is also different.
    2. +1
      25 October 2019 13: 56
      Quote: Amateur
      So there is a "bomb" in Romania or not?
      On ABM bases, not in Romania, not in Poland There are no "Bombs"! If ground-based tomahawks will be placed in mobile units, no sane military man will put them into stationary ground objects subsonic rocket. Also with a lighthouse in the form of a permanent radar on the roof. laughing There is no sense from it. If not a minus. It only takes up space for missile defense.
      1. 0
        26 October 2019 19: 36
        Quote: Observer2014
        No military man in his right mind would put a subsonic missile into ground stationary objects.

        I agree with you. It’s not at all clear to me why the Tomahawk should be squeezed into the air defense launcher? If Berky and Takanderogi walk around with a total salvo of several hundred missiles? What will add another 2 dozen axes - besides weakening the missile defense system? And - while the Axes have no nuclear warheads. Till.
        1. 0
          28 October 2019 19: 11
          What will add another 2 dozen axes -

          2 dozens, but on land they can easily be increased to many hundreds, but this cannot be done on ships.
          1. 0
            28 October 2019 22: 55
            Quote: bk316
            but on land they can easily be increased to many hundreds, but not on ships.

            And why build up on land - if there are already on ships? E- Burke continues to build. I-Virginia block 5 will carry 40 Axes each. It is possible - and on land. But it is possible and not, and the article is about a missile defense system. That is, it follows from your comment that equipping missile defense with axes is pointless, which I am talking about.
            1. +1
              29 October 2019 15: 31
              equipping missile defense with axes is pointless, which I’m talking about.

              It’s pointless to equip missile defense with axes, and placing axes on these bases under the guise of ZR was very meaningful until the INF Treaty collapsed
              1. 0
                29 October 2019 18: 02
                Quote: bk316
                and to place axes at the bases under the guise of ZR was very meaningful until the INF Treaty collapsed

                That's how it is, but after all, the American ground-axes did not have them. Only a month ago, the first time they shot at the tests. They had nothing to post. All fuss due to the fact that theoretically they could. If you remember, in the distant 80s they had Griffins - ground Axes with a mobile launcher. Much more effective, in my opinion, than hospitals. But they, it seems, have not yet restored. They made a mobile complex with a Iskander-type ballistic missile. They can be launched with both ATACAM and HIMARS.
  4. +2
    25 October 2019 06: 58
    They’ll take it from the inside ... And the deployment of missiles in Poland and Romania, another psychological pressure ... The Soviet Union collapsed without a war ... Why batter rockets with nuclear bombs in which your property is located ...
    1. 0
      25 October 2019 09: 29
      Quote: parusnik
      Why batter rockets with nuclear bombs in which your property is located ...

      Very reasonable.
  5. -2
    25 October 2019 07: 04
    Again TASS smelled.
    However, when it comes to American bases, the Polish leadership demonstrates a rare uncompromising attitude and immediately forgets about democracy as the “core value” of European states: no one has asked and is not going to ask ordinary Polish citizens if they agree with the location of a potentially dangerous facility foreign armed forces on its territory.

    Ordinary Polish citizens would have absolutely no objection to the entire CENTAG with the V and VII corps. So many centuries of good-neighborly and often fraternal relations with such peaceful nations as Russian and German will spoil anyone’s nerves.
    1. +5
      25 October 2019 09: 36
      Quote: tesser
      Ordinary Polish citizens would have absolutely no objection to the entire CENTAG with the V and VII corps.

      I have a feeling that the Eastern European countries are constantly raining, and they cannot be without a rocket umbrella. I live in Estonia, we have rain all the time, there is even a joke "A Pole asks an Estonian: you have sunny weather, Yes, he said, but that day I was at work." So that they are used to being under an umbrella, under a nylon, under a tarpaulin, under a missile or nuclear, they do not care.
  6. +7
    25 October 2019 07: 06
    Vsyo eto otvlekayushiy manyovr. Amerika i NATO ne budet voevat s Russia otkrito. Skoree vsego oni budut gotovit bolshuyu divertsiyu vnutri Rossii a mojet po vsemu SNG. Ne zrya je unichtojili Siriyu i Liviyu.
  7. -1
    25 October 2019 07: 10
    if the Polish base is oriented to the north, then the Romanian - to the Crimean peninsula

    missile systems can also be deployed on the peninsula, also directed towards Europe.

    Why place the missiles themselves where the enemy missiles are aimed?
    Is it difficult to put in another place? Or the territory of the camp is small?
    1. +6
      25 October 2019 07: 41
      I am more interested in - are they going to repulse a hypothetical blow with something? or just an answer?
      1. +1
        25 October 2019 07: 54
        Avax on constant duty. Torahs and shells will work at the border or at objects. I think this is not a big problem. The number of striped launchers is limited - repel the first strike with the simultaneous destruction of these installations. Also, in the Soviet years, the Tu-160 carousel was twisted towards Europe. The same variant with anti-missiles is possible (I think air-to-air missiles are also suitable) only from dryers.
        1. +1
          25 October 2019 08: 20
          reasonedly !!! good hi
        2. -2
          25 October 2019 09: 42
          More specifically?
          Quote: MainBeam
          Avax on constant duty.

          Are you talking about the A-50, which you saw in Soviet Tashkent? And how long will they be enough "for constant duty"? How many of them are needed for "constant watch"? How much?
          Quote: MainBeam
          Torahs and shells work at the border or at objects

          How many of them are needed "to the border and to the objects"?
          Quote: MainBeam
          The number of striped launchers is limited - repel the first strike with the simultaneous destruction of these installations

          If they have already fired, you can destroy anything. Mk41 is not the starting R-7. By the way, Aegis eshor is the best that the enemy has to protect just the installation itself from the INF.
          Quote: MainBeam
          Also, in the Soviet years, the Tu-160 carousel was turned towards Europe.

          How can the Tu-160 help against the KR?
          Quote: MainBeam
          The same option is possible with anti-missiles (I think air-to-air missiles will do) only from the dryers.

          Just the explosive missiles from the fighters + AWACS were the main means against the KR throughout the Cold War. And what about this? Workout interaction? Teachings?
      2. +1
        25 October 2019 11: 08
        The answer for empty containers? And then what is the answer?
      3. +4
        25 October 2019 11: 44
        And they can rush tomahawks JUST SO? Or out of sporting interest?

        This is war! And in the case of such a war - the presence or absence of Poland in the future will no longer interest anyone ......
        1. 0
          28 October 2019 08: 18
          Quote: your1970
          This is war! And in the case of such a war - the presence or absence of Poland in the future will no longer interest anyone ......

          like in the event of a nuclear war? And if you turn on the brain? How long does Moscow, for example, get cut off from the region and resources, after an impact, or any other metropolis? Or do you think the NATO vigorous loaves are not enough? Can still hold on to horses and not threaten how much in vain? fellow
          1. 0
            28 October 2019 21: 08
            Quote: Arturov
            How much time, for example, Moscow gets flogged cut off from the region and resources, after an impact, or any other metropolis?
            Do not you understand? What FORMALLY arrival even 1 Tomahawk - this is a war .... and not an infantry-tank - alas ...
            Moreover - according to the proposed condition - flies first us, and then - we answer
  8. +4
    25 October 2019 07: 14
    Vitaly with a caricature slightly stratified smile
    MK41 is a vertical launch installation.
    And they have a range of 1600 km, and not 5000, as the author has in the article.
    1. +2
      25 October 2019 16: 55
      It does not matter. For today's "specialists" with VO, even draw Trident with wings, they will be fine.
  9. +4
    25 October 2019 07: 16
    The authorities of these countries should think,
    To whom does the author suggest thinking? Poland pisses on the ceiling with such joy (the deployment of missiles on its territory), the Romanians have long accepted that they are behind the scenes and in NATO in NATO, but this suits them. Russia certainly has something to answer and the answer will certainly be. But the nervous atmosphere is getting stronger every year.
    1. +6
      25 October 2019 10: 14
      Quote: rotmistr60
      To whom does the author suggest thinking?
      hi I want to believe that no matter what, it is necessary to share "political elites"and the peoples of the Eastern European" friends. "Nobody asked the peoples, they were" loaded "with information and overloaded in time. But the so-called" elites "are bought up at the root, it is they who express the will of the owner.
      I think the author suggests thinking about those who are responsible for "delivering" the opinion of the Russian Federation to the residents of these countries, including a detailed explanation of the possible consequences. And what is also important: as mentioned above, staffers and no one in their right mind will trample on Russia, but one should really be afraid of provocations of striped halops - make a fool pray to God, he ...
  10. +3
    25 October 2019 07: 28
    It’s worth buying some Caribbean islands and placing our missiles on them, capable of covering at least the south of the USA.
  11. +1
    25 October 2019 08: 04
    Quote: I. Polonsky
    It is practically impossible to intercept Zircons, therefore, in the event of a conflict, Russia will get the opportunity to deliver a guaranteed strike against US and NATO military facilities

    Why are they so sure that the answer from us will fly to them from our territory, and not from the Baltic and Mediterranean Seas? Maybe because these objects are not intended for defense at all, but for attacks?
    1. +2
      25 October 2019 16: 32
      Quote: Boris55
      Why are they so sure that the answer from us will fly to them from our territory, and not from the Baltic and Mediterranean Seas? Maybe because these objects are not intended for defense at all, but for attacks?

      Correctly assume! You are at the root of this whole problem!
      We are talking about the US attack on the Russian Federation! And all the rantings of Washington / Pentagon about the alleged "protection" of NATO countries from attacks on them by the Russian Federation and that the American and NATO bases were originally supposedly created and were directed against Iran, and not against the Russian Federation - all this is just smoke screen to fool the native population.
  12. 0
    25 October 2019 08: 32
    Well, we will destroy Poland and Romania with the face of the earth with a retaliatory nuclear strike, but this is for the Americans on the drum, because US territory will remain untouched. It is necessary to deploy missiles in Cuba, in Venezuela, as well as in Alaska (whose lease term has long ended).
  13. 0
    25 October 2019 08: 32
    And what prevents them from DELIVERY IN SERBIA?
    1. +4
      25 October 2019 09: 52
      Quote: Nitarius
      And what prevents them from DELIVERY IN SERBIA?

      Who bothers the Americans? Nothing prevents, but why?

      Serbia, if you don't know - "our people" are in the hallway by NATO. With its, of course, the usual Balkan multi-vector.
    2. 0
      25 October 2019 11: 09
      But the Serbs will not be against?
  14. -1
    25 October 2019 09: 23
    Putin and Co. are unable to cope with their duties. And there is no guarantor of the Constitution from it.
    1. 0
      25 October 2019 18: 04
      Quote: Million
      Putin and Co. are unable to cope with their duties. And there is no guarantor of the Constitution from it.

      You would be the president ...
      You would have immediately knocked the shoe on the UN rostrum and that’s all ... world peace ... yeah ....
      1. -2
        25 October 2019 19: 55
        And that Khrushchev knocked during the shoe. And he had steel eggs, he was able to put rockets in Cuba and made a rustle of good, the Americans clearly then collapsed. Yes, then he removed the missiles, but they also removed their from Turkey. Why doesn't Putin want to do the same thing? Maybe the eggs are not steel?
        1. +1
          26 October 2019 20: 05
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          Yes, then he removed the missiles, but they also removed their from Turkey. Why doesn't Putin want to do the same thing?

          And if not removed?
          And if ships going to Cuba began to sink? Yes, do not even drown, but block?
      2. -3
        25 October 2019 20: 50
        I don’t need to. But Putin has already worked out the material
  15. +4
    25 October 2019 09: 27
    Now these two countries are considered by the United States as key allies in the East European direction.
    You can read between the lines "Now the Americans are using Romania and Poland instead of an anti-tank grenade, throwing them under tanks."
    1. +6
      25 October 2019 10: 19
      Let me rephrase
      Quote: tihonmarine
      You can read between the lines "Americans always use their so-called "allies" instead of an anti-tank grenade, throwing them under the tanks. "

      hi
      1. +2
        25 October 2019 10: 48
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        Let me rephrase

        Will go!
        1. +5
          25 October 2019 11: 39
          As a resident of Estonia, this situation is probably also unpleasant for you, given the location of survey locators and the coordination center for monitoring airspace in the country. Also, priority goals
          1. +4
            25 October 2019 11: 41
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            As a resident of Estonia, this situation is probably also unpleasant for you

            I’m Soviet Russian, what a problem.
            1. +6
              25 October 2019 11: 48
              You misunderstood me and I have no doubt whatsoever. It's just like in a joke: with a large distribution, they beat in the face indiscriminately, and not according to the passport
              1. +3
                25 October 2019 12: 24
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                with a large distribution, they beat in the face indiscriminately, and not according to the passport

                In New Zealand I have time to hit the heels.
                1. 0
                  25 October 2019 14: 55
                  Apparently, you’re working as an oligarch smile
                  1. +3
                    25 October 2019 15: 03
                    Quote: dzvero
                    Apparently, you’re working as an oligarch

                    No, a working pensioner.
              2. +3
                25 October 2019 12: 28
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                It's just like in a joke:

                But seriously, when asked about the war, even the echoes laugh
                1. +5
                  25 October 2019 13: 00
                  Normal people everywhere understand that war is not good. The problem is that their opinion is not of interest to the “political elites”, God forgive me. And you just need to consider the provocateurs who have no brains at all.
                  1. +2
                    25 October 2019 13: 14
                    Quote: Pete Mitchell
                    And you just need to consider the provocateurs who have no brains at all.

                    And where are they not? Even here.
  16. 0
    25 October 2019 10: 16
    In the case of the deployment of medium-range ballistic missiles, the approach time will be about 10 minutes, and in the case of tomahawks, the approach time will be much longer, because they are subsonic. T.O. tomahawks cannot be considered as offensive weapons in the amount that can be fired once and also in view of the new supersonic missile for the Iskanders.
    1. +2
      25 October 2019 11: 12
      But the Tomahawk is needed to break through air defense in conflict with the limited use of nuclear weapons ...
      And with BP (large p ...) it will not be up to them. Cruise missiles will finish off the remnants of civilization.
  17. +3
    25 October 2019 10: 59
    The answer must be serious! And above all, to deprive Polish and Romanian business in Russia of EVERYTHING. Either he becomes Russian, or, gentlemen, go home to serve American "partners." Within these countries, carry on propaganda against their governments and the territorial integrity of these countries, showing their essence, reduce diplomatic missions, etc. Otherwise, the impudence of these peoples will grow into overt provocations against our country and the citizens of Russia.
    1. -2
      25 October 2019 11: 14
      Quote: 1536
      And above all, deprive the Polish and Romanian business in Russia

      About Romania another time, but about Poland - about the Druzhba oil pipeline have you heard?
      Quote: 1536
      Inside these countries conduct propaganda against their governments and the territorial integrity of these countries

      "Inside"? Is it by Simonyan or someone else? Only the propaganda "against territorial integrity" is not enough for Pan Kachinsky. This is not Poroshenko for you, the grandfather knows how to accept such submissions.
      Quote: 1536
      reduce diplomatic missions, etc.

      This is a good riddance.
      1. -1
        25 October 2019 12: 17
        The devil is not so terrible as he is painted! I don’t know about the Druzhba oil pipeline, but the road transit through Poland from Russia is indeed a serious matter. But the Nightingale the Robber also sat on the trade route and robbed for the time being. And the fact that Poland actually illegally pocketed the lands of Germany after 1945 is known to everyone.
        1. +2
          25 October 2019 13: 04
          Quote: 1536
          car transit through Poland from Russia is indeed a serious matter

          This is just not so important. It is possible via ferry and Finland / Baltic states.
          Quote: 1536
          And the fact that Poland actually illegally pocketed the lands of Germany after 1945 is well known to everyone.

          You shouldn't have remembered this. The German lands were cut by Comrade. Stalin, he pushed through the Allies. With a calculation that was understandable at that time - post-war Germany did not recognize the border along the Oder-Neisse, and the only option for Poland to keep the "German voivodships" would be the permanent presence of the Soviet army. At that time - the beginning of 45 - my grandmother said in two about the GDR and the country of people's democracy.
  18. +3
    25 October 2019 11: 36
    Propaganda could have been defined. Either articles about the impenetrability of the S-400 and S-500, or deep concern about the Tomahawks in Europe. How so? They cannot get anywhere - we have electronic warfare, electronic warfare, the probability of shooting down a Tomahawk is 146%, and the missile itself is old, not effective, and so on and so forth.
  19. +1
    25 October 2019 11: 49
    We don’t have time to mark the red line - behind it - the transfer of nuclear weapons into automatic mode - manually ...
  20. +5
    25 October 2019 12: 41
    They would never have appeared there if at least the Soviet Baltic States, Moldova and Ukraine had not been presented to them on a silver platter. Thank you, Mikhalsergeichgorbachev!
  21. -1
    25 October 2019 13: 09
    Quote: parusnik
    Why batter rockets with nuclear bombs in which your property is located ...

    Precisely noticed.
    And Poland and Romania can and should answer in different areas, economics, trade.
    How much can you ruin native agriculture — to buy in these henchmen countries, fruits and vegetables, livestock products?

    Also "National treasure" It turns out to be not ours for a long time:

  22. -2
    25 October 2019 14: 03
    Now the war will go according to this scenario - nuclear charges explode off the coast of England and the United States and the war ends - there will be no one to fight with. All!
  23. +4
    25 October 2019 14: 17
    A symmetric response to Russia can only be the deployment of its missiles near the borders of the United States. How they react to such actions, the Caribbean showed. But so far no one will give us such an opportunity.
    And now we will have a situation that was previously figuratively described at VO "by deploying missiles in Europe, the Americans put a pistol to the temple of Russia, and Russia to the temple of the US allies." But, as you know, "the sheriff's Indians are not interested in problems," so this is little consolation.
    We must look for the opportunity to return to Cuba.
    1. +1
      25 October 2019 14: 50
      The last debts were recently written off to the Cubans, but they, somehow deafened to it, still remember well how the Soviet and already post-Soviet leadership threw them in the late 80s and 90s. Therefore, they are in a hurry to draw a target for amers on their chest to please the Russians — they will not, and to render economic and military assistance in such an amount as the USSR provided it, modern Russia does not have the opportunity and is close.
  24. +3
    25 October 2019 19: 20
    As long as the territory of the states themselves will not be threatened by strikes of calibers and Iskanders, all such conversations are useless.
  25. 0
    25 October 2019 22: 08
    Western regions of Russia? To Baikal - 5400 km
    1. +1
      25 October 2019 22: 10
      From Washington da Kamchatka 6000 km
  26. -2
    26 October 2019 15: 21
    Quote: Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
    So Cuba has already secured $ 30 million from Russia for the restoration of launch complexes and sites for our missiles.

    laughing laughing laughing
    To restore the launch complexes, which have not existed for more than 30 years? Is this a new rollback method?

    Quote: andrew.strygin
    From Washington da Kamchatka 6000 km

    To which Washington? To the state - yes, about 6000 km. To the city - more than 8000
    1. 0
      27 October 2019 15: 03
      Rollback - to rocket bananas and coconuts.
  27. 0
    27 October 2019 19: 23
    I fully agree with Tatyana's opinion (25.10.2019/06/03 2018:XNUMX): "Russian missiles should be placed near the United States! And not only in Crimea and the Kaliningrad region." I am never an expert in the field of military equipment, but in response to the actions of the United States, I would answer something like the one I wrote about it to the Duma in March XNUMX (I quote my proposal unchanged in several comments):

    SENTENCE
    ON THE PLACEMENT OF Missile Weapons Off the Coast of the USA
    AS A RESPONSE TO PLACING ABM AND MIDDLE ROCKET AT RUSSIAN BORDERS

    At the borders of Russia in the territories of our former "friends", and now the US allies, as well as in South Korea, Alaska and Canada, THAAD land-based missile defense systems are deployed in large numbers. Seas and oceans are plowed by dozens (and there will be over 80 in total) of US ships equipped with the Aegis missile defense system (marine version). From time to time, such ships call at the ports of the Black Sea and Baltic countries, i.e. Russia is actually surrounded and this environment continues to be strengthened and improved by missile defense systems. What does it mean that the US missile defense system is so close to our borders that it poses a tremendous threat to Russia (all the more so since cruise missiles with nuclear filling can be installed in some missile defense container containers) - a lot has been said about this and should not be repeated. And what is the answer?
    And in response, nothing scary for the United States. “Here we are, how to place the Iskanders in the Kaliningrad region!” So what? The Iskanders cannot reach the United States, and Europe (the United States) in the event of a major war is generally not very sorry for them. They will only remember their Pershing and place their improved version along our borders around Russia.
  28. +1
    27 October 2019 19: 24
    The fact that Putin on March 1 showed in his election message animated films about our “wunder-waffle” for US citizens did not make the proper impression, mostly American comments are mocking, names are offered for our weapons systems like “Melanie Buffer” (which are actually absent) etc. But for the Pentagon, such a report is just a gift, which will easily follow. You couldn’t do that - you had to first put everything in series, start large deliveries to the troops, and then joyfully report. The report is clearly designed for the election effect to influence the electorate. It was unpleasant to look at the sparkling eyes and open mouths of seemingly serious deputies. From cartoons to real serial products, the distance is years and years, and even decades. Only ballistic Sarmatians are real, and even then their serial production will begin only after 2 years. But this is, in fact, a replacement for the Voyevoda (Satan) missiles, which were out of service, which were manufactured dozens of years ago in Yuzhmash in Dnepropetrovsk.
    "Daggers" (hypersonic aircraft missiles do not pose a serious danger in the event of a real nuclear war. Currently, for several very serious reasons, our strategic bombers are not continuously in the air, loaded with missiles with nuclear warheads. Imagine a sudden nuclear attack on Russia. Account it’s going on for minutes, that is, no one will have time to arm bombers with “Daggers” and the like with nuclear missile warheads. Airfields will be destroyed, take off armed in if anyone succeeds in poisoning, that is, the sense of this strategic aviation in the nuclear battle will be only if we attack first (and this is clearly not worth it), or if military operations develop gradually, but you need to count on the worst for us, the option is a sudden massive disarming strike: all kinds of “Vanguards”, “Poplars”, etc., that survived after the first strike, must still be able to fly out of Russia and not be shot down on a long journey to the United States.
  29. 0
    27 October 2019 19: 26
    All declassified (who pulled his tongue ...) Putin would be very nice (especially nuclear missiles, which both the Americans and us stopped developing in the 60s of the last century because of the extreme danger of radioactive contamination of the area in the event of an accident. But this very expensive (obviously not affordable for the current Putin-Medvedev economy with its colossal export of funds abroad), and for a long time.
    And the US must be confronted as quickly as possible and in such a way that it becomes very unpleasant and scary. Moreover, it is so scary and unpleasant that it would be possible to start negotiations on the removal of THAAD systems from our borders and on not approaching ships with the Aegis missile defense system near our shores. And if they don’t want to, then let them live under constant fear of retaliation. The fact that we “by mistake” showed a previously half-cartoon picture with some long-range torpedo (or a robot submarine) “Status-6” is an attempt to frighten with no consequences for the United States. The charge for such a weapon, in order to seriously fear it, should be at least 100-120 Mt, because the explosion will be surface or even underwater, i.e. not very effective. And our leaders will not dare to make charges of such power, the mentality is not the same. But you can do something simpler. And even necessary.
    It's not that complicated. For several years, the Caliber naval-based missiles were developed (we launched them, for example, from the small size of vessels from the Caspian Sea. We take and buy old bulk carriers, tankers, large seiners, etc., suitable for displacement in our country and around the world. .d.
    The main thing is that the case is not rusted to holes, the engines would be in good condition. Next, we cut off the unnecessary equipment that is in the way, unnecessary add-ons, bring the cabins and cockpits into decent condition to accommodate the crew. We equip the helipad, in addition to the usual lifeboats and rafts, there must be a boat (I will explain why later) and insert Caliber rocket cartridges (each cartridge is 4, 6, 8 or 12 missile containers) with a range of 1500-2500 km (under an agreement with the United States on the limitation of medium-range missiles for sea-based missiles, such a range is allowed), as well as control and power supply units. Add a couple of modules with short-range air defense installations (such as "Armor"). What should also be very important: an antenna and a container (module) with sensors and a communication system of the Perimeter system (Dead Hand). Of course, the crew should have enough personal weapons to fight off small groups of terrorists and saboteurs, including underwater light divers (assault rifles, pistols, grenade launchers, hand grenades, heavy machine guns, MANPADS, etc.).
  30. +9
    27 October 2019 19: 27
    American missiles in Poland and Romania are aimed at Russia. How to answer?

    The issue, given the fact that American intelligence is in power, is meaningless
  31. -2
    27 October 2019 19: 30
    What is the essence of the idea. These converted vessels should be located off the coast of the United States at a distance of 25 to 500 km, i.e. "Behind" the US missile defense zone located in Europe and other parts of the world, and they carry a threat with their missiles not to some objects located in Europe, but directly to the United States. Containers contain "Caliber" in nuclear equipment (otherwise the whole idea would not make sense). You can, of course, have a couple of non-nuclear missiles for the exponential destruction of power plants in response to such individual US provocations. But the bulk of the missiles should be with nuclear warheads and nothing else.
    The sensor and communications module of the Perimeter system must continuously transmit coded signals to the central node through communication satellites. The absence of a signal after 4-5 seconds should lead to the announcement of an alarm about the alleged attack on the ship and, possibly, to Russia and the adoption of appropriate strategic measures throughout the country. One ship can be instantly destroyed only by a nuclear strike (communication signals with the Perimeter system will immediately cease), but two ships located at a distance of more than 25 km from each other cannot be destroyed at the same time. Sensors on the use of nuclear weapons (seismic, flash detection, etc., which are put there) will work on neighboring ships, and the communication module will send an appropriate signal to the Perimeter system. Strategic anxiety is announced and the necessary response actions are taken.
    Off the coast of the United States ships should not be located one at a time, but 2-3 units at a distance of 25-50 km from each other. For communication and other needs, between them there must be a helicopter at least on one of the ships, as well as a boat (transfer any cargo, sick sailor, etc.). Ships should be relatively close to each other in order to be able to provide timely assistance if necessary (for example, to tow in case of failure of marine engines). Ships move daily (to complicate possible mining and make it difficult to target American countermeasures) a short distance (not more than 10 km) to save fuel and increase the duration of autonomous navigation. Crews should be replaced for rest in full or in part once every 3 months using supply vessels floating along the US coast. Logistics can also be built through Nicaragua: crews are transported to Nicaragua by supply vessels, and then by plane to Russia. As necessary, ships with Caliber are sent to Russian ports for repair.
    There should be about 50 such ship groupings along the west and east coast of the USA, as well as near island territories (this is about 100-150 ships).
    When we get rich (and this will be very soon), it will be possible to add a frigate with the appropriate weapons to protect almost every group.
    In the event of the final failure of an old vessel, a slightly newer vessel is bought and all modules and containers are transferred to it. This is incomparably cheaper than building new warships in such numbers.
    I am sure that the USA will not like this venture very much and they will demand to remove this “disgrace” from their shores. In this case, you can start and negotiate that they also remove from our borders their possible new Pershing and missile defense systems, including sea-based ones. This also applies to aircraft carrier groups and aircraft that can carry nuclear weapons. As far as they move their weapons away from our borders - so much as we move (and not a mile more). If any movement to our borders is noticed, then an immediate demonstrative movement to the US shores of all these old, but very dangerous vessels should begin.
    Of course, nuclear submarines, modern destroyers, and Status-6, and T-15 torpedoes and much more should be built. But it is expensive and therefore not quickly build, and the operation is very expensive. It all depends on the economy, and we without the State Planning Commission and clear development prospects will either develop at a snail's pace, or fall into stagnation. The current government does not allow to believe in more promising prospects, unfortunately, but it is necessary to protect the country.
    So, the USA surrounds the territory of Russia with missile defense systems and, probably, medium-range missiles, and in response we surround the territory of the USA with a relatively inexpensive fleet with medium-range sea-based missiles, breaking out of Russia's encirclement.
    This idea can be developed by building a large number of mini-submarines with 4 to 6 torpedo tubes loaded with cruise missiles launched through torpedo tubes. The crew of such boats is 6-10 people. Autonomy is about 15 days. To drag to the shores of the USA on a tow rope. And then let them be under water a few tens of kilometers from our ships with the "Caliber", from time to time floating up for rest, replenishment of supplies and for a complete or partial change of crews. Around the coast of the United States, water should boil from our large and relatively inexpensive fleet. Well, if something irreparable happens, those who survived should release all their missiles and, if possible, get to either their shores or the US shores with small arms and other weapons. And there - according to the circumstances. To fight, so to fight.
  32. +3
    27 October 2019 20: 30
    You have to understand that you have not received any answer, not even the person on duty, to your letter. And do you know why? Such projections are usually sent straight to the wastebasket after being read by the correspondent department. There is so much, sorry, unprofessionalism in your proposal, so much ignorance of the accompanying contracts, so much "ear-hooks" that these proposals cannot count on anything else. Sorry, but I don't even want to parse your "sentences"
    1. 0
      29 October 2019 12: 52
      I would be grateful if my proposal was criticized to smithereens, but with an explanation of the reasons why this or that is impossible or just stupid for that reason. But you, unfortunately, wrote about ignorance of some "accompanying agreements" (what such agreements? ..), about "pulling by the ears" (what is "far-fetched" there? ..). It's a pity, but, in my opinion, such criticism is about nothing.
      By the way, I do not really trust the qualifications of the employees of the "corresponding" department in the Duma - there in the Duma there are all Irina Rodnina with Oksana Pushkin, Valuev, Fetis, etc. with their assistants represented by young lawyers, economists and relatives. There is very little sense from them, in my opinion.
      1. -2
        29 October 2019 15: 59
        Well, let's see.
        1.You cannot place weapons on a civilian ship. It will be considered pirated and extinguished immediately. But this is a bargain, you hang the Andreev flag on all the ships.
        2. Cruise missiles are not a problem. With the capabilities of partners in long-range missile and air defense, they are likely to not fly any 25 km to the coast. Just such things partners know how to shoot. You will have to venture Iskander into your tankers, it’s not so simple.
        3. Around your barge, three boats will spin around, which simply crash to open the covers.
        4. The partners may just be bored with this whole story, and they will blow your trough to the damn grandmother, because this is not customary. Even the rogue USSR of the 50s did not put SD missiles on tankers, but on submarines. They say that a mine of the first world surfaced. And take whatever measures you want with your Perimeter.

        This I removed from your ideas all the game about the change of crews, left the usual combat duty.
        1. 0
          29 October 2019 19: 01
          "1. You cannot place weapons on a civilian ship. It will be considered pirate and extinguished right there. But this is a profitable business, hang up the Andreev flag on all ships."
          It goes without saying that after the installation of weapons the ship becomes a military. But this is obvious. And of course, as you wrote, it will fly under the Andreev flag.

          "2. Cruise missiles are not some kind of problem. With the capabilities of DLRO and air defense partners, they most likely will not reach the shore for 25 km. Partners know how to shoot down such things. You will have to put Iskanders into your tankers, this is not so easy."
          Maybe not all, but will fly - first low-low above the water, and then along the folds of the terrain (this is what kind of flight program will be laid down). Does the US have powerful anti-aircraft defense along the entire coast? If cruise missiles were not a problem, they would not.

          "3. Around your barge, there will be three boats spinning around, which just zhahnat opening the covers."
          Why on earth would American boats crave on a Russian warship in neutral waters? We do not crave for them in the Black and Baltic Seas. The attack on a military American or Russian ship is practically the beginning of the war. And lids can be opened and closed from time to time - let them get used to it. And you can close the perimeter with a curtain or make a fence so that the covers are not visible.

          "4. The partners may just get tired of this whole story, and they blow your trough to hell, because it is not accepted to do this. Even the rogue USSR of the 50s put SD missiles not on tankers, but on submarines. They will say that the mine was the first to surface. world. And take whatever measures you want with your Perimeter. "
          Well, I wrote that if the "partners" do not like this, then let them remove their missiles from our borders, and we remove ours from the US coast. What problems? Regarding the installation of missiles on submarines - certainly better on submarines, who can argue? But the money is not enough, they go to various offshores, and to buy rare cellos ... And the inclusion of these ships off the coast of the United States in the Perimeter system will give our leadership additional minutes to make strategic decisions and at the same time warn the United States against rash decisions. But will the "mines of the First World War" emerge under all the ships at the same time? It doesn't work that way.

          "It was I who removed from your ideas any game about changing crews, left the usual combat duty."
          It must be considered that it is easier and cheaper to drive ships back and forth or to change crews from time to time (and why not?).
          1. -1
            29 October 2019 21: 31
            Quote: Zurbagan
            Does the US have powerful anti-aircraft defense along the entire coast?

            Yes, at least the whole south. Catch their cocaine Matius Rustov. And solid PLO, by the way, for the same purposes. Stretching to the whole coast is easy if the scheme is worked out.
            Quote: Zurbagan
            If cruise missiles were not a problem, they would not.

            Normal people have more immediate goals than to crave for it in America. Even at the VKS with the Caspian flotilla, they were found, surprisingly.
            Quote: Zurbagan
            Why on earth would American boats crave on a Russian warship in neutral waters?

            Because not FIG.
            Quote: Zurbagan
            And lids can be opened and closed from time to time - let them get used to it.

            Here at the first opening and they will melt, and all at once, no one will get used to it.
            Quote: Zurbagan
            And you can close the perimeter with a curtain or make a fence so that the covers are not visible.

            At first smoke wither. And you with your curtains will invent a submarine.
            Quote: Zurbagan
            Well, I wrote that if the "partners" do not like it, then let them remove their missiles from our borders, and we remove ours from the US coast.

            Why negotiate with you when you can just drown?
            Quote: Zurbagan
            And the inclusion of these ships off the coast of the United States in the Perimeter system will provide our leadership with additional minutes

            You do not seem to understand the main problem of the INF system - there is no time for reflection and error checking at all, you need to press a button on any sneeze, because otherwise you will not have time.
            And additional minutes are given by SPRN, which, incidentally, is falling apart, if it has not already fallen apart.
            Quote: Zurbagan
            But will the "mines of the First World War" emerge under all ships at the same time? It doesn't work that way.

            So then you will tell the guests in the studio of Vladimir Solovyov that this does not happen. This is no longer interesting to anyone.
            Quote: Zurbagan
            And why not?

            Because no one has done that since the Second World War. A ship needs TO, if there are a lot of ships, then a couple of weeks back and forth will not solve anything. If there are few ships, then you will melt them without such Americans. By the way, do not forget that you are giving nuclear weapons to the crew of notorious kamikazes. Not everyone likes these experiments.
  33. +1
    28 October 2019 00: 29
    The ring around the RF is compressed. We need an asymmetric answer.
    (I'm afraid symmetrical - the S-300 in Cuba, little feasible)
  34. 0
    28 October 2019 18: 30
    beat immediately at brussels zurich london washington
  35. +2
    29 October 2019 14: 42
    Quote: Zurbagan
    I would be grateful if my proposal was criticized to smithereens, but with an explanation of the reasons why this or that is impossible or just stupid for that reason. But you, unfortunately, wrote about ignorance of some "accompanying agreements" (what such agreements? ..), about "pulling by the ears" (what is "far-fetched" there? ..). It's a pity, but, in my opinion, such criticism is about nothing.
    By the way, I do not really trust the qualifications of the employees of the "corresponding" department in the Duma - there in the Duma there are all Irina Rodnina with Oksana Pushkin, Valuev, Fetis, etc. with their assistants represented by young lawyers, economists and relatives. There is very little sense from them, in my opinion.

    To be honest, I did not paint all your "flaws", but wrote shortly. But if you really want it, I can make it out. At least tonight or tomorrow afternoon the answer will be given to you ...
    1. 0
      29 October 2019 15: 46
      Really want to know. I would be grateful if you find the time and make out. I'd like to understand what is wrong. And the proposals to deploy our missiles in Cuba and Venezuela seem to me fantasies - neither Cuba nor Venezuela needs this - they will obviously be against it. Yes, and this is not the environment of the United States with our medium-range missiles - this is only one direction from the south.
  36. 0
    29 October 2019 21: 27
    How can our country respond to the deployment of American missiles in Poland and Romania?


    Only one way is to deploy such missiles in Mexico, Cuba, or somewhere lower in the Caribbean and South America.

    But here the leaders of the Russian Federation are called "ochkuyut", and they do not have enough roundness in this place.

    The weight of the Russian Federation in the world (except in the category of "Waving a vigorous loaf") is small in all plans - economy, finance, industry, science, self-sufficiency.

    So you have to come up with another piece of wunderwaffe (or draw them in military cartoons as a last resort), but try to scare your partner with this ... ugh, you freeloaders, adversaries, hoping that information about such a wonderful weapon, issued through a pharmaceutical pipette, and flavored with a standard set of pyzhny and show-off, will make the "partners" get scared and back down.

    But as practice shows, ANSWERS SHOULD BE ONLY SYMMETRIC.
    Everything else is like barking a pug at an elephant.
  37. 0
    29 October 2019 21: 45
    Quote: Zurbagan
    And the proposals for the deployment of our missiles in Cuba and Venezuela seem to me fantasies - neither Cuba nor Venezuela needs this - they will obviously be against


    So make the leaders of these countries think differently. Weak?

    That's right, because the caliber of the Russian Federation is disproportionate to the caliber of the United States, because they place their infrastructure in Poland and Romania, and do not ask who wants what.

    In this case, maybe you first need to become strong economically, then financially, then politically, and only then breed pont and wad about coolness?

    But no, that you, it is easier to hide behind a "nuclear umbrella" and offshorize foreign currency.
    1. 0
      29 October 2019 21: 52
      Oh, minus has appeared.

      So, the next person confirmed the correctness of what was said.

      True, no arguments "against" were presented, but thanks for that.
  38. +3
    30 October 2019 15: 10
    Quote: Zurbagan
    At the borders of Russia in the territories of our former "friends", and now the US allies, as well as in South Korea, Alaska and Canada, THAAD land-based missile defense systems are deployed in large numbers.

    The number of complexes is certainly not 3 or 5 batteries, which were about 8-10 years ago, but I would not say about large quantities.
    Quote: Zurbagan
    Seas and oceans are plowed by dozens (and there will be over 80 in total) of US ships equipped with the Aegis missile defense system (marine version).

    True, the number of ships equipped with an anti-ballistic missile system Standard SM-3 Block 1B / 2A is much less, now no more than a dozen
    This is so, for information

    Next
    Quote: Zurbagan
    From time to time, such ships call at the ports of the Black Sea and Baltic countries, i.e. Russia is actually surrounded and this environment continues to be strengthened and improved by missile defense systems. What does it mean that the US missile defense system is so close to our borders that it poses a tremendous threat to Russia (all the more so since cruise missiles with nuclear filling can be installed in some missile defense container containers) - a lot has been said about this and should not be repeated. And what is the answer?

    What does such proximity to missile defense mean to us? But nothing. The complex is capable of intercepting exclusively medium-range missiles exclusively. In order for this to be a threat, it is necessary that the missiles be installed at least in the Crimea, then they can be intercepted.
    You can, of course, place Tomahawks. Only the number of cells in Romania is only 24. The range of modern Tomahawks is within 1600 km. This means that the western part of Russia (western regions) does not come under attack at all by the Tomahawks. And it makes sense if any "Burke" in the shock version can carry twice as many "Tomahawks" than can be at the base in Deveselu
    As for the nuclear warheads, this is now a problem for the Tomahawks. Which of course will be decided but not earlier than 2030-2035 ...

    Quote: Zurbagan
    And in response, nothing scary for the United States. “Here we are, how to place the Iskanders in the Kaliningrad region!” So what? The Iskanders cannot reach the United States, and Europe (the United States) in the event of a major war is generally not very sorry for them. They will only remember their Pershing and place their improved version along our borders around Russia.

    Of course, if the answer is adequate and comparable, but knowing that your bases (USA) are under attack does not add to the calm of the Americans.
    In addition, the mere fact that many of the infrastructure of NATO countries may be under the gun of our missiles will have a deterrent effect. For the United States, there will be enough capacity

    Quote: Zurbagan
    The fact that on March 1 Putin in his election message showed animated films about our “wunder-waffle” on US citizens did not make the proper impression

    His performance was for internal use. None of its competitors could do anything like this, which means that the support of the euphoric electorate was provided 100%
    Quote: Zurbagan
    Only ballistic Sarmatians are real, and even then their serial production will begin only after 2 years. But this is, in fact, a replacement for the Voyevoda (Satan) missiles, which were out of service, which were manufactured dozens of years ago in Yuzhmash in Dnepropetrovsk.

    Even "Sarmatians" can hardly be called real. There were only two throwing trials. There was not a single pilot, and when they will be - HZ. Deadlines have been postponed for at least two years
    And there will be fewer of them deployed than the "Voevod" was deployed ....

    Quote: Zurbagan
    "Daggers" (hypersonic aircraft missiles do not pose a serious danger in the event of a real nuclear war.

    The question is still open. And how far it will pose a serious danger - it is not yet possible to say. Neither the quantity to be deployed, nor the number of carriers, nor the location of the deployment are known ...

    Quote: Zurbagan
    Imagine a sudden nuclear strike against Russia. The account goes on for minutes, i.e. nobody will have time to arm bombers with “Daggers” and the like with nuclear missiles. Airfields will be destroyed, hardly anyone will be able to fly armed. Those. the sense of this strategic aviation in the nuclear battle will be only if we attack first (and this is clearly not worth doing), or if military operations will develop gradually. But you need to count on the worst option for us - a sudden massive disarming strike. All kinds of survivors after the first strike of Vanguard, Poplar, etc. due to still be able to fly outside Russia and not be shot down on a long journey to the United States.

    To begin with, it is unlikely that the "Daggers" will be deployed on strategic bombers. This is prohibited by the provisions of the SALT-2 Treaty, which prohibits the deployment of aeroballistic missiles with a range of more than 600 km on heavy bombers.
    Any conflict, let alone global one, does not arise from scratch. There is a period before the outbreak of hostilities. And during this period, strategic bombers will not only be dispersed across various aerodromes, but also already stand in the strip, tucked with suspended special ammunition.

    As for the number of our carriers shot down by the Americans, I am afraid that this number is much exaggerated. You can talk a lot about the probabilities of hitting targets, but in order to bring down a modern missile with, for example, 6 BB, the enemy will need to expect to spend from this one and a half to two dozen interceptors. And they currently have 44 strategic interceptors ...

    Quote: Zurbagan
    And the US must be confronted as quickly as possible and in such a way that it becomes very unpleasant and scary. Moreover, it is so scary and unpleasant that it would be possible to start negotiations on the removal of THAAD systems from our borders and on not approaching ships with the Aegis missile defense system near our shores. And if they don’t want to, then let them live under constant fear of retaliation.

    The fear of being destroyed has never gone anywhere. It’s just that now there is more talk in our media about the "fear" of Americans of everything Russian than fear of Americans. But nobody has canceled nuclear weapons. Yes, the number of targets was, of course, reduced by 10-20 times, but they remained, albeit not in that number (targets). And the fear that the nuclear warhead of an American SLBM will explode over the center of your city has not diminished. Yes, according to the plans of the 50s, they planned 3 warheads for your hometown, now there is one, but this does not make it easier for residents, especially if you find yourself in a zone of moderate or severe destruction.

    It is not possible to force the Americans to remove something. We simply do not have the leverage for this, as well as the Americans with regard to us. What is THAAD System? Yes, a missile defense system, but not a strategic one. It is capable of intercepting certain types of warheads (which we simply do not currently have, since there are no medium-range missiles). This system is not particularly suitable for intercepting BB ICBMs. In addition, she has height restrictions. Below a certain height, it is not capable of intercepting, as well as above the maximum. So we get a "layer" of 100-150 km thick, where this system can work. But since it, like the Aegis system, is not a strategic missile defense system, there can be no restrictive measures, both in terms of quantity and location of deployment. This is how, for example, in response to demands not to approach our shores for their destroyers with the Aegis system, they may demand that we withdraw the carriers of the Kalibr cruise missiles from the Caspian and Black Seas on the grounds that they can threaten them and their allies.
    Such "showdowns" have never taken place and will not. It looks more like a street showdown with the demands of neighbors than a real balanced policy
  39. +3
    30 October 2019 15: 12
    I will continue
    Quote: Zurbagan
    The charge for such a weapon, in order to seriously fear it, should be at least 100-120 Mt, because the explosion will be surface or even underwater, i.e. not very effective. And our leaders will not dare to make charges of such power, the mentality is not the same. But you can do something simpler. And even necessary.

    It has long been announced that the charge power will be approximately TWO MEGATONES... All other voiced powers are the conclusions of media experts. Generally speaking, talking about a weapon system that has not yet been tested on the basis of the statements of "experts" is extremely unproductive and sorry, stupid. There are significantly more questions regarding "Status" / "Poseidon" than answers

    Quote: Zurbagan
    It's not that complicated. For several years, the Caliber naval-based missiles were developed (we launched them, for example, from the small size of vessels from the Caspian Sea. We take and buy old bulk carriers, tankers, large seiners, etc., suitable for displacement in our country and around the world. .d.

    There are a lot of international laws and multilateral agreements that will be violated if you buy old dry cargo ships, tankers, seiners and equip them with "Caliber". Or these vessels should carry the flag of the auxiliary forces of the fleet (that is, the naval flag), but then what is the point of equipping them with missiles. Or if you want to do this secretly, traveling under some neutral flag, then you become the object of international criminal prosecution because your ships (bulk carriers, tankers, seiners) with camouflaged missiles will be equated with privateer (or pirate) ships. With all that it implies. The end of such a vessel will be natural. The ship will be drowned, the crew will be hung to dry on yards ...

    Quote: Zurbagan
    The main thing is that the case is not rusted to holes, the engines would be in good condition. Next, we cut off the unnecessary equipment that is in the way, unnecessary add-ons, bring the cabins and cockpits into decent condition to accommodate the crew. We equip a helipad, in addition to the usual lifeboats and rafts, there must be a boat (I will explain why later) and insert Caliber rocket cartridges (each cartridge is 4, 6, 8 or 12 missile containers) with a range of 1500-2500 km (by agreement with the United States on the limitation of medium-range missiles for sea-based missiles, such a range is allowed).

    The question is not even whether or not such a range is permitted by agreement with the United States. There have never been any restrictions on range for sea-launched missiles, especially for cruise missiles. The question is different. "Calibers" with a range of 1500-2500 km are not intended for long-range firing (from the coast). These are rockets for firing along the coast and the first thing they need to launch not too far from the coast so that the first correction area would fall on a predetermined area sushi. This means that such a "vessel" will have to approach the American coast at a distance of 100-150 km. Otherwise, these missiles will simply not hit their intended targets. And in cases of a threat of conflict, I do not think that American ships, incl. and the coastal defense will only patrol their own territorial waters. Probably a 200-mile zone. This alone will lead to the fact that the vessel with "Calibers" simply will not be able to shoot. I am not even talking about the missile flight profile even now.
  40. +2
    30 October 2019 15: 12
    I will continue
    Quote: Zurbagan
    What should also be very important: an antenna and a container (module) with sensors and a communication system of the Perimeter system (Dead Hand). Of course, the crew should have enough personal weapons to fight off small groups of terrorists and saboteurs, including underwater light divers (assault rifles, pistols, grenade launchers, hand grenades, heavy machine guns, MANPADS, etc.).

    In general, the Perimeter system is an alternative COMMUNICATION system in the Strategic Missile Forces system. And designed for TALKS to launchers of application commands. About any sensors on the ship in the context of this system is out of the question. Too much has been written about it, and sometimes all this has nothing to do with the real capabilities of the system.

    Quote: Zurbagan
    What is the essence of the idea. These converted vessels should be located off the coast of the United States at a distance of 25 to 500 km, i.e. "Behind" the US missile defense zone located in Europe and other parts of the world, and they carry a threat with their missiles not to some objects located in Europe, but directly to the United States. Containers contain "Caliber" in nuclear equipment (otherwise the whole idea would not make sense). You can, of course, have a couple of non-nuclear missiles for the exponential destruction of power plants in response to such individual US provocations. But the bulk of the missiles should be with nuclear warheads and nothing else ..

    These vessels will not be walking around 25-500 km from the US coast. In fact, 25 km is almost the edge of their territorial waters. And who knows what ships will "hang out" there? Dry cargo ships that carry nothing and do not unload anything? Tankers that don't do anything either, seiners that don't fish for seafood? Still, you shouldn't keep the Americans for complete suckers. In addition, the distance of 25-500 km is covered by anti-aircraft missiles of the fleet. And given that the missiles are subsonic, while they go these 500 km to the coast (half an hour) they will be shot down by the National Guard fighters, even with ordinary cannon fire, not to mention the missiles

    Quote: Zurbagan
    The sensor and communications module of the Perimeter system must continuously transmit coded signals to the central node through communication satellites. The absence of a signal after 4-5 seconds should lead to the announcement of an alarm about the alleged attack on the ship and, possibly, to Russia and the adoption of appropriate strategic measures throughout the country. One ship can be instantly destroyed only by a nuclear strike (communication signals with the Perimeter system will immediately cease), but two ships located at a distance of more than 25 km from each other cannot be destroyed at the same time. Sensors on the use of nuclear weapons (seismic, flash detection, etc., which are put there) will work on neighboring ships, and the communication module will send an appropriate signal to the Perimeter system. Strategic anxiety is announced and the necessary response actions are taken.

    Let's leave Perimeter alone. They made a kind of wunderwaffe out of it, by analogy with Skynet in the Terminator movie, but in fact, its functions are much more modest and are intended exclusively for the Strategic Missile Forces, or rather to bring commands to use

    Quote: Zurbagan
    Off the coast of the United States ships should not be located one at a time, but 2-3 units at a distance of 25-50 km from each other. For communication and other needs, between them there must be a helicopter at least on one of the ships, as well as a boat (transfer any cargo, sick sailor, etc.). Ships should be relatively close to each other in order to be able to provide timely assistance if necessary (for example, to tow in case of failure of marine engines). Ships move daily (to complicate possible mining and make it difficult to target American countermeasures) a short distance (not more than 10 km) to save fuel and increase the duration of autonomous navigation. .

    I already wrote that you shouldn't hold the Americans for suckers who will allow someone to run the "svrem backyard". Specialized ships (bulk carriers, tankers, seiners), which do nothing at the same time, will be the first to arouse suspicion, and if not during the first day, then within a week, for sure. And they will be under control. Strict control.

    Quote: Zurbagan
    Crews should be replaced for rest in full or in part once every 3 months using supply vessels floating along the US coast. Logistics can also be built through Nicaragua: crews are transported to Nicaragua by supply vessels, and then by plane to Russia. As necessary, ships with Caliber are sent to Russian ports for repair.

    Will Nicaragua only want to be a link in this supply chain?

    Quote: Zurbagan
    There should be about 50 such ship groupings along the west and east coast of the USA, as well as near island territories (this is about 100-150 ships).

    How many supply vessels will be needed for this operation with their extremely small numbers even for the Russian Navy?

    Quote: Zurbagan
    When we get rich (and this will be very soon), it will be possible to add a frigate with the appropriate weapons to protect almost every group.

    When will we get rich? I'm afraid the poet said
    "It's a pity - to live in this wonderful time
    You won't have to - neither me, nor you "...
    50 frigates only to cover this operation - this is strong ...

    Quote: Zurbagan
    In the event of the final failure of an old vessel, a slightly newer vessel is bought and all modules and containers are transferred to it. This is incomparably cheaper than building new warships in such numbers.

    In fact, the cheapness turns out to be very doubtful. An old vessel is bought, repaired and modernized, but at the same time it remains the same old, and in case of an exit, another vessel is bought, newer. Is it not cheaper to launch a frigate or destroyer of the American "Arleigh Burke" class with almost a hundred universal weapon slots?

    Quote: Zurbagan
    I am sure that the USA will not like this venture very much and they will demand to remove this “disgrace” from their shores. .

    On the contrary, you will like it. It's no joke that the Russians get themselves involved in an extremely expensive project without the final visible result, which the Americans will control all the time. I'm not even talking about how many decades we will be able to accumulate such a number of necessary "Calibers"

    Quote: Zurbagan
    This idea can be developed by building a large number of mini-submarines with 4 to 6 torpedo tubes loaded with cruise missiles launched through torpedo tubes. The crew of such boats is 6-10 people. Autonomy is about 15 days. To drag to the shores of the USA on a tow rope. And then let them be under water a few tens of kilometers from our ships with the "Caliber", from time to time floating up for rest, replenishment of supplies and for a complete or partial change of crews. Around the coast of the United States, water should boil from our large and relatively inexpensive fleet. Well, if something irreparable happens, those who survived should release all their missiles and, if possible, get to either their shores or the US shores with small arms and other weapons. And there - according to the circumstances. To fight, so to fight.

    Well, everything is clear with the rest of the crews. What about restocking? And what is a mini boat. The North Koreans are building. The length is about 25 meters, two torpedo tubes and two torpedoes. Crew of 2-4 people Just to drag it there in a tug "across a dozen seas" how many tugs will be needed and will the autonomy of these boats end? This proposal, sorry, frank nonsense.
  41. +3
    30 October 2019 15: 13
    And the last
    Quote: Zurbagan
    "1. You cannot place weapons on a civilian ship. It will be considered pirate and extinguished right there. But this is a profitable business, hang up the Andreev flag on all ships."
    It goes without saying that after the installation of weapons the ship becomes a military. But this is obvious. And of course, as you wrote, it will fly under the Andreev flag.

    And then what is the sacred meaning of this fleet of dry cargo ships, tankers, seiners, if they carry the flag of the Russian Navy ??? Even with a neutral flag, such a number and such "behavior" of these vessels (that is, seiners do not catch, tankers do not carry fuel, bulk carriers do not enter the port to unload) will cause close and strict control by the United States. And if these 100-159 ships will also carry the flag of the Russian Navy, then the "trailer" to them will no longer be coast guard boats, but full-fledged combat ships

    Quote: Zurbagan
    "2. Cruise missiles are not some kind of problem. With the capabilities of DLRO and air defense partners, they most likely will not reach the shore for 25 km. Partners know how to shoot down such things. You will have to put Iskanders into your tankers, this is not so easy."
    Maybe not all, but will fly - first low-low above the water, and then along the folds of the terrain (this is what kind of flight program will be laid down). Does the US have powerful anti-aircraft defense along the entire coast? If cruise missiles weren’t a problem, they wouldn’t.

    The thing is that the flight algorithm of the "Caliber" cruise missile is as follows. After being launched with the help of the launch booster, the rocket rises to a height of 150 meters. As soon as the rocket rises to this height, it will be in the radar field of view of the ships at a distance of 70 km. Then the main engine is turned on and the rocket is lowered to a height of 10-15 meters above sea level. In order for such a missile to hit the target on land, it is necessary that the first correction section be on land. They fired from the Caspian Sea about 100 km from the Iranian coast. You will have to come this distance. And above land, the flight altitude will be from 50 to 150 meters. so it's hard to call it "low-low"

    Quote: Zurbagan
    "3. Around your barge, there will be three boats spinning around, which just zhahnat opening the covers."
    Why on earth would American boats crave on a Russian warship in neutral waters? We do not crave for them in the Black and Baltic Seas. The attack on a military American or Russian ship is practically the beginning of the war. And lids can be opened and closed from time to time - let them get used to it. And you can close the perimeter with a curtain or make a fence so that the covers are not visible.

    As soon as the first cruise missile leaves towards the American continent, it will be perceived as an act of war and all restrictions will be lifted. These "Carriers of" Caliber "will drown for a sweet soul. Moreover, we will be the initiator of the war, that is, the aggressor
    1. 0
      30 October 2019 17: 35
      Thank you for a detailed and qualified analysis of my "proposal". I wanted our response to the deployment of US missiles near our territories to be as cheap as possible for us and extremely unpleasant and terrible for the US. But thanks to you I realized that neither one nor the other will work. It was very interesting to read your analysis of the "flights", one feels a knowledgeable person. Just one small excuse for me: I never proposed to launch missiles at the United States first - this is suicidal for Russia, and I understand that. Thanks again! I am taking off my "offer", I will take up plans for the improvement of my dacha.

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