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22160 project corvettes will determine goals for Bastion complexes

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Mobile coastal missile systems will receive target designation from ships and vessels of the Navy fleet, which will allow hitting enemy ships without revealing their location. New tactics have already been tested in the Black Sea Fleet. This is reported "News".


22160 project corvettes will determine goals for Bastion complexes


Modern 22160 project corvettes can direct Bastion coastal missile systems (DBKs) at the enemy, the Defense Ministry said. Ships created using stealth technology are able to monitor enemy ships and transmit the coordinates to missile systems, which, without using their own radars, remain undetected by the enemy. Fast, relatively compact, 94 m long and 1800 t displacement, corvettes are able to stay away from the coast for up to two months and play the role of scouts. According to the military, a bunch of corvettes - a missile system, can carry out surprise attacks that cannot be repelled.

This tactic has already been tested this year on the Black Sea, where the corvette of the 22160 project Vasily Bykov, accompanying American ships, conducted surveillance not only visually, but also with the help of radar and reconnaissance equipment, transmitting coordinates to coastal missile systems, ready to be applied hit.

Currently, the Russian Navy has only two corvettes of the 22160 project - Vasily Bykov and Dmitry Rogachev. Both ships are part of the Black Sea Fleet.

The Ministry of Defense noted that the experience of using the new tactics will be introduced in other Russian fleets.
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  1. Nycomed
    Nycomed 23 October 2019 13: 54
    -8
    Everything is clear, they will not use their radar, but after all, at launch their location will still be detected. Or am I misunderstanding something?
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 23 October 2019 14: 16
      +10
      Detection during the startup phase does not matter.
      The retaliatory strike on the launch coordinates will fall on an already empty position.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 23 October 2019 14: 19
      +5
      Quote: Nycomed
      at startup, their location will still be detected.

      Duc ... there will be a principle: shot and gang! It may take much less time for this than: 1. Radar detection; 2. definition (identification); 3 target designation ...
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 October 2019 16: 10
      +9
      Quote: Nycomed
      Everything is clear, they will not use their radar, but after all, at launch their location will still be detected.

      You still ask - how to ensure the stealth of the corvette during reconnaissance and the issuance of the command.
      Enchanting picture: an invisible corvette shining on the enemy radar and actively exchanging information with the shore. smile
      1. hrych
        hrych 23 October 2019 22: 26
        +4
        To begin with, the Bastion shoots over the horizon and the target itself does not see. Secondly, it doesn’t see the launch and flight of a rocket until it jumps out of the horizon, and this is a second. The bastion with the supersonic Onyx and the subsonic Harpoon of the adversary gives Bykov a chance to fight back and not get an answer. The helicopter can also raise, expanding the radio horizon and UAVs. Therefore, the expediency for the work of the gunner is fully justified. Well, the radar still works in a passive mode and may not shine itself, and the transmission of information to the strike complex via a satellite channel with a short signal creates the enemy’s electronic warfare. Even Bykov has radio suppression systems and disrupting the systems of the adversary again helps Onyx get on board with impunity.
  2. Marconi41
    Marconi41 23 October 2019 13: 54
    0
    Not to say that a breakthrough, but the news is good.
  3. Alien From
    Alien From 23 October 2019 13: 55
    -14
    Will be like a swan, cancer and pike !!!
  4. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 23 October 2019 14: 03
    +4
    And it would not be bad for Bastion to have its own reconnaissance means in the form of drones. You can’t block all directions with corvettes. Especially considering their number.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 23 October 2019 14: 14
      +3
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      And it would not be bad for Bastion to have its own intelligence in the form of drones.

      This is a good idea! By the way, "variations" are also possible: manned AWACS helicopters, "remotely controlled" boats ("drones") ...
      1. keleg
        keleg 24 October 2019 09: 42
        0
        Outposts are already flying. But their range for the entire Black Sea is not enough.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 24 October 2019 11: 27
          +1
          Quote: keleg
          Outposts are already flying. But their range for the entire Black Sea is not enough.

          Well ... on "Outposts", life, does not end!
        2. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 28 October 2019 15: 31
          0
          Have you chewed thousands of times for Outposts, how much can you rave already?
  5. Zhan
    Zhan 23 October 2019 14: 06
    +2
    But can a corvette be hit? However, if full-scale hostilities begin, everything that works and flies will be launched and launched. But this tactic will be good only with an initial strike from an ambush. And then extras will go.
  6. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 23 October 2019 14: 08
    +30
    The news is, to put it mildly, delusional. Bastions should be able to do it anyway, and they know how to get an external control center, they knew how to do this in the USSR in the 60s. It's just that no one knows what to do with the flawed 22160, and it seems that a "bright" thought came to someone's head - let's say that they will direct anti-ship missiles ... will handle 100500 times better
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 23 October 2019 14: 30
      +11
      Like version.
      The advantage of target designation of a corvette in front of a helicopter can be around-the-clock presence in the required square and all-weather.
      And the news is not in the originality of the target designation method, but in working out the corresponding interaction with the corvette.
      And expanding the scope of the underutilized resource that is in operation will not be superfluous.
      hi
    2. tlauicol
      tlauicol 23 October 2019 15: 06
      +4
      MO is trying to make a good face with a bad game soldier
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 23 October 2019 20: 43
        +3
        If you remember, the construction of such ships was a necessary measure for a number of circumstances.
        In particular, due to the lack of the possibility of producing engines for more serious warships.
        And the restrictions imposed by the treaty and medium-range missiles.
        What is the fault of the Ministry of Defense that the infrastructure of military shipbuilding in the USSR was distributed across the territory of the USSR.
        MO couldn’t provide a budget for the rapid development of the defense industry in all necessary areas.
        And at the moment, to use the maximum of all available resources is quite rational.
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 28 October 2019 15: 32
          0
          This trough and serious ships have ONE and SAME ENGINES.

          Namely Kolomenskie 16Д49.

          Tell tales in kindergarten.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 23 October 2019 22: 08
      0
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      The news is, to put it mildly, delusional. Bastions should be able to do it anyway, and they know how to get an external control center, they knew how to do this in the USSR in the 60s. It's just that no one knows what to do with the flawed 22160, and it seems that a "bright" thought came to someone's head - let's say that they will direct anti-ship missiles ... will handle 100500 times better

      Yes, the namesake also didn’t understand what it was all about ... but then such an idea came up, and if these corvettes transmit the control units on-line, and increasing the radius of detection of targets, at the border of the detection area of ​​ground-based radars of the Bastion?
    4. bk316
      bk316 25 October 2019 12: 56
      +1
      The news, to say the least, is crazy.

      Delusional not delusional I will not say, but this is exactly what some very much wanted in VO: a step in building a network-centric combat system. In such a target designation system any accessible means of destruction must be able to issue любые detection tools.
      Actually, this is the point: multiple network duplication of information and flow control makes the system mega-stable.

      I don’t even enter into the number of ardent supporters of network-centric models, because by virtue of my profession I understand the associated problems, but if I decided to laughing to go then you have to go .... belay
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 October 2019 14: 46
        0
        This is a step in place, because, I repeat, our RCCs were able to receive external control systems in the 60 of the last century. Since it was originally intended to hit targets at ranges excluding guidance from the ship.
        To date, the introduction of network centric would be missile guidance in flight
  7. Magic archer
    Magic archer 23 October 2019 14: 08
    +2
    This is affected by the lack of reconnaissance and guidance means. With AWACS, we are also not so hot (I mean their mass), so this is a necessary measure, and the explanation of the situation is just an excuse
  8. ioan-e
    ioan-e 23 October 2019 14: 18
    -1
    22160 project corvettes will determine goals for Bastion complexes

    This is very good, but where are the weapons systems that should be used from containers (modules) for this type of ship?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 23 October 2019 14: 46
      +6
      A multi-functional sports complex with a basketball court and a grandstand has already been completed at the head wink . It is converted into a banquet hall.

      On the head now, only if you break it is possible to put a container. I don’t know about others.
  9. MrFox
    MrFox 23 October 2019 14: 18
    +2
    What is the stealth when using your own radar corvette?
    1. keleg
      keleg 24 October 2019 09: 45
      0
      ECO, passive radar mode, "Orlans" on board.
  10. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 23 October 2019 14: 25
    +3
    you might think he is not visible at the same time ...
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  12. Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 October 2019 14: 33
    +1
    Use as a watch ship. Why not?
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 October 2019 15: 26
      +5
      The patrol ship must have developed self-defense capabilities.
      And 22160 has a 76 mm gun and MANPADS on board.
      1. keleg
        keleg 24 October 2019 09: 47
        0
        A serious air defense system can be thrust only onto a frigate-sized ship and it is very expensive.
        Here another path is chosen - electronic warfare and the minimum size.
        1. Avior
          Avior 24 October 2019 17: 17
          +1
          It is the size between a corvette and a frigate. And there is no sight
        2. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 28 October 2019 15: 33
          0
          He xnumx tons, what is the minimum size?
  13. Old26
    Old26 23 October 2019 14: 33
    +1
    Quote: Livonetc
    Detection during the startup phase does not matter.
    The retaliatory strike on the launch coordinates will fall on an already empty position.

    Detection just allows you to prepare for the interception. Especially if the rocket goes along a high-altitude path
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    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 October 2019 16: 11
      +3
      Quote: rudolff
      Lord, is it really possible for these patrol imperfections to finally find the tasks? Long thought, however.

      C'mon, they previously planned to base them on the Ka-52 with anti-ship missiles. smile
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    2. keleg
      keleg 24 October 2019 09: 48
      0
      Do you think that a stealth with a good radar was made on it purely by chance and now you’ve figured out where to use these stealth with a radar? :-)
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        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 28 October 2019 15: 34
          0
          You are responding to a citizen who naturally fell for it, as he says to "patrolmen" and spammed them with stupid praises throughout the Internet.
  15. tlauicol
    tlauicol 23 October 2019 15: 10
    +5
    But what about the over-the-horizon radars that peak, drive the American sailors crazy? MO is now completely confused and will destroy the entire official mythology
  16. Avior
    Avior 23 October 2019 15: 24
    +13
    Intelligence with a detection range of 30-40 km is something.
    Well, maybe he could transfer the coordinates, they knew how to do it half a century ago, and so what?
    How will this help this "corvette"?
    Why did this 22160, a former patrol ship in the far zone, become a corvette?
    And if he suddenly finds himself on his own head an enemy with capabilities a little more than that of the Ukrainian boat Gyurz, will he have time to convey the coordinates, is that another question?
    For he will immediately receive a pair of anti-aircraft, and even a harpoon from the enemy and lose interest in the further transfer of information.
    In my opinion, this is another notion of what to occupy 22160, which were built to fight the Somali pirates, but so far completed, the situation has changed. Now they’re thinking what to apply ....
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 October 2019 16: 35
      +8
      Quote: Avior
      Why did this 22160, a former patrol ship in the far zone, become a corvette?

      But because patrol ships are the FSB. And the Navy has its own classification.
      And now the Navy, to which Commander-in-Chief Chirkov ordered the ships of the project originally intended for the FSB, frantically tries to cram the "alien" ship into its classification. smile
      Quote: Avior
      And if he suddenly finds himself on his own head an enemy with capabilities a little more than that of the Ukrainian boat Gyurz, will he have time to convey the coordinates, is that another question?

      You still ask - will he even have time to find anyone before he is struck?
      Well this is a "dove of peace": no air defense, no PLO, no modules. There is a cannon, a couple of machine guns, a helicopter, a GAS for detecting PDSS, empty spaces for modules and two months of autonomy. A normal PSKR for the FSB, which has nothing to do in the Navy.
      1. Avior
        Avior 23 October 2019 16: 44
        +4
        Two months of autonomy and a place for a hospital.
        What should he do in the FSB?
        No, well, you can call it a corvette, it can stand the paper, only it cannot fulfill the function of a corvette.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 23 October 2019 19: 43
          +1
          Quote: Avior
          Two months of autonomy and a place for a hospital.
          What should he do in the FSB?

          The faces have just the autonomy and living conditions of the crew in the first place. Take, for example, their PSKR Project 22460 - the same 60 days of autonomy.
          And most importantly, the one under whom Pr. 22160 was created is clearly and clearly visible from the official list of tasks to be solved:
          According to the demonstration materials of Zelenodolsky NW, presented at the Army-2016 and IMDS-2017, as well as data from the OSK website, the main tasks of PC 22160 are:
          - borderline-patrol service for the protection of territorial waters;
          - patrolling the 200-mile special economic zone in neutral and territorial waters;
          - suppression of smuggling and piracy;
          - Search and assistance to victims of maritime disasters;
          - environmental monitoring of the environment;
          - in wartime:
          guarding ships and vessels at the transition by sea, protecting naval bases and water areas in order to warn of an attack by various enemy forces and equipment.

          Now compare this with the problems of the "face" pr.22460:
          PSKR of the 22460 project are intended for the protection of the state border, territorial waters, the continental shelf, for emergency rescue operations, as well as for environmental monitoring and liquidation of the consequences of natural disasters. Along with border protection, ships of this class may include operations to combat terrorism and maritime piracy.

          By the way, there was a funny infa on 22160 on the Balancer:
          Here the forty on the tail brought the results of 20385 under two engines (that is, in terms of power, a complete analogue of the 22160 installation), they got a speed higher than that of 22160, and this, mind you, with a much larger displacement! What kind of corps did such a gloomy collective genius of the "Northern Bureau" give birth to !?

          http://www.balancer.ru/g/p7598545
          Thanks for the link uv. mina030.
          1. Avior
            Avior 23 October 2019 20: 43
            +2
            Only 22460 is three times less.
            Space is not for the crew, but for additional services. To take it, you can, of course, organize a mini golf course smile
            And what is surprising, 22160 is not a warship, the hull for another was optimized for the placement of various services needed in the distant seas, marines, a hospital, salvaged supplies for their feeding and watering, etc.
  17. garri-lin
    garri-lin 23 October 2019 15: 55
    +1
    In our time, it is necessary that "Everyone can do harm to everyone. In real time. This will be news. When the troops work. Then it will be possible to rejoice."
  18. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 23 October 2019 16: 25
    +1
    In the event of a conflict, corvettes will be destroyed first, and then what?
  19. Ros 56
    Ros 56 23 October 2019 16: 32
    -7
    A very clever idea, cackled over the vorog and washed off quickly. A good idea, it is advisable to practice in conditions close to combat.
    1. Lapunevsky
      Lapunevsky 23 October 2019 20: 11
      -2
      And if before that the vorogs cawed along the corvette and drowned, the Bastion turns blind. How will you crave?
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 24 October 2019 08: 45
        -3
        Well, yes, I forgot that all ships, including corvettes, will be anchored and represent immobile targets. Then of course, I do not argue, you are right, as my right ... and even more to the right.
    2. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 28 October 2019 15: 34
      0
      It cannot slow down slowly, even if your idea was realistic.
  20. Galleon
    Galleon 23 October 2019 16: 54
    +2
    The detection capabilities of that corvette are not that outstanding, but at 30-35 km it will detect the target. The coordinates will be transmitted. But what is the likelihood that he himself will not be in the firing sector of "Bastion" and will not rake his own anti-ship missiles under distribution? And the probability of being hit by this "friendly fire", purely mathematically, will be at least 0,25, but in practice (based on the difference probability of the gunner's position relative to the target) it will be about 0,4. But it cannot be that they do not think about it ...
  21. Revival
    Revival 23 October 2019 17: 04
    +1
    As I understand it, "foreign" stealth is a fiction; we can see it as in the daytime, but we still have a full stealth ship?
    Strange just how they can not notice the ship creeping nearby and directing other missiles.
  22. Sergey Pavlov
    Sergey Pavlov 23 October 2019 17: 15
    0
    This design fiasco, which showed a lack of speed of three knots at the factory sea trials with minimal excitement, would not be called fast.
  23. Lapunevsky
    Lapunevsky 23 October 2019 20: 09
    -2
    That is - the corvettes will sink and the Bastions will go blind?
  24. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 23 October 2019 21: 27
    -1
    * This tactic has already been worked out this year in the Black Sea, where the corvette of project 22160 "Vasily Bykov", accompanying the American ships, conducted observation not only visually, but also with the help of radar and reconnaissance equipment, transmitting coordinates to coastal missile systems ready for strike. *
    Well, the devil knows him. I am not a military man. To date.
    But if something worked, then probably it has the right to life?! ..
    The military, they are so military that they do not consider it necessary to report to everyone and everyone what and how.
    Let’s say we built a ship. Then move on, sorry. Not admitted. Know what and how. It will be necessary, call.
    And this is apparently correct.
  25. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 23 October 2019 22: 42
    0
    a wise and balanced decision instead of being given obsolete destroyers in the sense of defense of the coast = battleships, inconspicuous missile systems and inconspicuous corvettes .....
    1. Devil13
      Devil13 24 October 2019 07: 12
      0
      Such inconspicuous, when exchanging data and working radar, that right now I will tear my stomach from laughter. They are invisible until the first transmission, and the first operation of the radar. So everything is noticeable.
  26. internal enemy
    internal enemy 23 October 2019 22: 56
    0
    Well, at least somehow 22160 will come in handy, why they were built at all, the FSB fleet is being updated faster than the military
  27. Devil13
    Devil13 24 October 2019 07: 10
    0
    Sumptuously. Those. everything is so bad with sea reconnaissance and space reconnaissance, I understood, but the fundamentals of the Aigis-type information field were not heard at all.
    Well, 22160 is simply, in principle, no more than a pelvis with radar, and so weak that you still need visual contact. Yeah.
    Shame and shame on such a Navy.
    1. keleg
      keleg 24 October 2019 09: 52
      +1
      Um, is this "Positive-MK" weak radar? 450 km passive and 150 km active.
      Plus UAVs "Orlan" nest on it
  28. Pavel57
    Pavel57 24 October 2019 10: 38
    0
    The task of escorting enemy ships is often enough. Under the conditions of inherent modularity, perhaps air defense modules would be more useful than modules with Uranus.
    1. keleg
      keleg 24 October 2019 11: 56
      +1
      One F-15E drags, EMNIP more than 20 gbu-39, recently they were attached to them by the GOS and the bomb became anti-ship. The discharge range is up to 90 km. Not a single Corvette (and Frigate) air defense of such a WTO can withstand, it remains to hit only on the carrier ... but long-range missiles and the corresponding radar also do not fit into the corvette. There are REP and stealth - which we see in stock at 22160.
      1. Devil13
        Devil13 14 January 2020 09: 25
        0
        If there were rap, stealth, gap, gas, 533mm torpedo tubes, an anti-submarine helicopter, there would be no questions for him like a corvette.
        Plo and plo. And so there was no meat, laundering the budget.
  29. cipher
    cipher 25 October 2019 09: 05
    0
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    Quote: Nycomed
    at startup, their location will still be detected.

    Duc ... there will be a principle: shot and gang! It may take much less time for this than: 1. Radar detection; 2. definition (identification); 3 target designation ...

    Probably, some people still think that Americans can offhand by the sound of a shot and missiles with a rocket, as in those distant times of the WILD West))