To replace M4 in the US Army: not HK416!

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Recall that the US Department of Defense announced a tender for the supply of weapons and ammunition under the rearmament program.





Many media are already discussing this news, we also have an opinion on this topic. Perhaps the main event today in the world of small arms. Agree, to rearm such a colossus as the US Army - this is not a dozen Armats for you to release for parades. These are such amounts that not only children can live on, but also grandchildren, great-grandchildren of gunsmiths.

Therefore, in fact, the movement began serious.

In general, the idea of ​​replacing the tired and outdated M4 has haunted everyone in the Pentagon for a long time. There is nothing supernatural here, it is necessary to change. In the 21 century, M4 is generally not comparable to anything else.

In the process of finding a replacement, we decided at the same time to update the FN Herstal M249 machine gun, also known as SAW. By the way, SAW is an abbreviation for Squad Automatic Weapon, “saw” here is rather a successful game of letters. Also nothing of the kind, we change the rifle, it makes sense to look at the machine gun. There is a certain logic, especially if there is a choice of models and money.

With the money, as you know, in the USA there is no problem with the word “completely”, with models ...

As an alternative, such models as HN416 for M4 and FN417 for M249 in the hope of "weighting" a machine gun in caliber 7,62 were considered.

To replace M4 in the US Army: not HK416!

Heckler & Koch HK416 A5 5,56



Heckler & Koch HK417 A2 7,62


Both versions of the weapon have the ability to change the barrel length by replacement. It is worth noting that the guys from H&K are desperately trying to take over the US Army market, so they even offered such strange solutions as the XM-8, which was supposed to combine both a light machine gun and an assault rifle.


XM-8



XM-8 LMG


Yes, the German experience with the HK G36 can be traced completely.

However, none of the proposed samples did not suit the Pentagon. Large-scale rearmament did not happen.

Now it's worth talking about the days of today.

Today only affirmed the need to upgrade the weapons of a US Army soldier. The need was born and grew into an idea under the PEO (Program Executive Office) soldier program, which is the US government organization responsible for the rapid prototyping, procurement and deployment of equipment for its soldiers.

Its mission is to "develop, acquire, supply and maintain affordable, integrated, modern equipment to improve the dominance of soldiers in army operations today and in the future."

To begin with, let's consider what kind of a promising rifle complex the Americans ordered themselves. We will talk about NGSW-AR (Next Generation Squad Weapon Automatic Rifle) - a new generation automatic rifle and NGSW-R (Next Generation Squad Weapon Rifle) - a new generation rifle, respectively.

Consider in more detail the requirements for rifles.




Schematic illustration of the technical capabilities of NGSW.


It is worth paying attention to the decoding of the abbreviation FY, where the figure indicates the year for which "everything should be ready." Pretty fast program.

Excerpts from the terms of reference on the example of NGSW-AR


So, KPP (Key Performance Parameters) are key parameters that are mandatory for execution as part of the technical specifications.

1. Strength.
NGSW must be resistant to chemical, radiological, biological and electromagnetic effects.

2. Ease of learning.
The ability to train soldiers in fire training with minimal time and resources.

3. Accuracy.
The system should provide the accuracy requirements specified in closed annexes to the terms of reference.

4. Weight.
The maximum weight (taking into account tactical equipment) should not exceed 5,4 kg (preferably not exceed 3,6 kg) without ammunition and a magazine.
5. Ammunition Weight
The weight of the ammunition must be at least 20% less than the current ammunition.

KSAa (Key System Atributes) - key system attributes – requirements recommended for execution, but not critical enough to include them in the KPP list.

1. Reliability.
The system should function in all climatic conditions (cold, heat, normal conditions, with strong exposure to sand and dust)
The barrel resource in the accuracy-scatter ratio is not more than 10% on 10 000 shots.

2. Rate of fire.
Recommended rate of fire is 108 rounds per minute for 9 minutes 16 seconds and 300 rounds cyclically without changing the barrel. We translate - this is the so-called combat rate of fire. Why exactly 9 minutes and 16 seconds - so far no comment.

3. Shooting modes.
At least automatic and semi-automatic fire. It is recommended to provide a shooting mode with a cut-off on the 2 cartridge. Accuracy of shooting for automatic and semi-automatic fire is not more than 1 MOA.

The final result was the participation of companies: Textron Systems, General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems (GDOTS), VK Integrated Systems, Sig Sauer, Cobalt Kinetics.

Heckler & Koch, as you can see, didn't make it to the final. Alas and ah, but true. And here are the finalists.


NGSW-R by MARS and Cobalt



NGSW-AR by MARS and Cobalt



Brand cartridge compared to 5.56 and 7.62 NATO from MARS and Cobalt



XR-68 from VK Integrated Systems with the proprietary 6.8 Sherwood cartridge is offered for both systems due to its layout with different barrel lengths.



Xnumx sherwood



NGSW-R by Textron Systems



NGSW-AR from Textron Systems


But with the ammunition, the guys at their Textron are more and more interesting. They used a multi-caliber telescopic cartridge system called Textron 6.8 CT and 7.62 CT. But we’ll talk about cartridges separately, there’s just not enough room.





Quite a bold decision. For all its external resemblance to a revolver, it has nothing in common. Its main feature is a double throwing charge: the primary one pushes the bullet out of the sleeve into the barrel channel, and the secondary one accelerates it.

An entertaining movie from Textron Systems with a demonstration of work:



Offer from General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems (GDOTS) with 6.8 True Velocity cartridge.



It is interesting because the complex uses an integrated silencer of its own design, which is made by laser welding of cermet alloys, which of course increases the cost.


6.8 True Velocity cartridge with composite sleeve


As a result, Textron, General Dynamics and Sig Sauer reached the finals. The US Department of Defense has entered into contracts for the supply of pilot shipments of weapons and ammunition with all three firms.

Finally, the winner of the competition is Sig Sauer with the 6.8 Hybrid round hybrid cartridge.


NGSW-AR



NGSW-R


In this case, the hybrid cartridge is interesting in that it has a multi-component sleeve (a polymer body with a metal capsule).





As a result, we see something completely different from what we planned and predicted even last year. Heckler & Koch did not win, we can say today that the victory is celebrated by the German concern Sig Sauer. The Germans were not afraid to bet on real innovations and developments exactly at the level of the 21st century.

Where did we decide that innovation and latest developments? If such really interesting projects were lost to the Germans, it remains only to puzzle over what is hidden inside the development of Sig Sauer. But you have to wait, unfortunately.

You can argue and argue for a long time (which we will do in the near future) over how effective the German system is and how weapons from Sig Sauer can provide an advantage for the American army, but the fact remains: the first step has been taken by the Americans. And he will lead to the superiority of the American soldier over any enemy or not, time will tell.
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  1. +1
    23 October 2019 05: 00
    I don’t know how these plastic cases do not inspire me personally from the word at all, and how they will show themselves during the long fire confrontation and just as they say life in the trench is not clear to me personally
    1. +7
      23 October 2019 05: 48
      Quote: Graz
      I don’t know how these plastic cases look like toys

      The plastic easily changes .. I am confused in the article by other things .. dancing with a tambourine around the cartridge case .. issued for innovation .. Let me remind you .. innovation is driven by the use of official loading, and not barrel .. unitary cartridge, not puffing ... A military's personal weapon must always shoot and hit within the aisles of visibility and at a certain pace .. And "always shoot" is not only a technical condition, but also a logistical one .. The point is in these newfangled plastic cases, if they are not in the warehouse?
      1. 0
        23 October 2019 07: 51
        Well, everyone has already squeezed out of this scheme. Probably something truly innovative will already be on other principles.
      2. +2
        23 October 2019 10: 27
        Quote: dvina71
        Moreover, "always shoot" is not only a technical condition, but also a logistical one. The point is in these newfangled plastic sleevesif they are not in stock?
        Another question is how will plastic behave at low temperatures? A couple of times it was that, being on the hunt for minus 32, when firing several times, the bottom of the sleeve was torn off the cartridge shirt. The injector threw out the bottom, and the shirt remained in the chamber and had to be poked out with a finger, and once the shirt went away with the charge. Maybe this is a marriage of the party, or maybe His Majesty the frost acts on plastic and makes it brittle. Although time does not stand still and new materials appear, but IMHO - all the same, a brass sleeve is somehow more reliable.
        1. +2
          23 October 2019 12: 56
          Not only low temperatures affect the plastic, what will happen to it if it has been lying in warehouses for years.
          Everything must be taken into account.
        2. +1
          23 October 2019 13: 23
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Maybe this is a marriage of the party, or maybe His Majesty the frost acts on plastic and makes it brittle


          Absolutely correct remark.
          With a decrease in temperature below 20 degrees, ductility decreases, fragility increases.

          It is very doubtful that the developers will be able to achieve acceptable strength of plastic sleeves at temperatures in the region of minus forty or lower, and at the same time achieve heat resistance - in plastics so that if they retain strength at low temperatures, then the upper temperature limit is below 80-90 centigrade and vice versa.
          This means that in a red-hot chamber, a plastic sleeve resistant to low temperatures will begin to deform and lose strength. That is, only with the open shutter


          The transition from a metal sleeve to plastic or composite (hybrid) is justified economically without a doubt.
          But will plastic sleeves suffer from overheating / hypothermia.
          It will be interesting to see the final tests in Alaska.
          1. +1
            23 October 2019 14: 05
            The lower limit of the operating temperature of polyimide (PI) and polyaralate (PA) is 70 degrees Celsius, which allows them to be used in the Arctic. The upper limit of the working temperature is 300 and 250 degrees Celsius, respectively, but the tensile strength drops from 120 to 20 MPa

            In this regard, for plastic sleeves the only technical solution is possible - to shoot bursts only with the open shutter. In this regard, TEXTRON loses to the other two NGSW competitors due to the impossibility of implementing this regime in automation with a detachable barrel chamber - which was demonstrated during failed military tests of the LSAT machine gun in 2017-18 years.
        3. 0
          23 October 2019 20: 20
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Another question is how will plastic behave at low temperatures? A couple of times it was that, being on the hunt for minus 32, when firing several times, the bottom of the sleeve was torn off the cartridge shirt.

          here the question is which polymer to use. there are frost-resistant but more expensive, there are cheaper but brittle.
          take Polyvinylidene fluoride as an example
          only at a temperature of -45 does it "turn glass" (glass transition)
    2. -2
      23 October 2019 06: 13
      this can be seen when shooting 10 stores at AK, plastic begins to melt in the barrel area, I think it is not very cool in the west, and if it is crammed at -50, I think it will be even more interesting.
      1. +1
        23 October 2019 08: 31
        Plastic plastic strife.
    3. 0
      24 October 2019 19: 27
      It’s some kind of scam among the gunmen. And they’ll divorce.
  2. 0
    23 October 2019 05: 25
    samples like FN416

    Firefly, however. NK416.
    In fact, NK416 is one of the M16 family.
    A revised version, so to speak.
    1. +5
      23 October 2019 05: 42
      Only the appearance, there the gas engine is completely different, like our AK.
      1. +7
        23 October 2019 07: 15
        And even that ... In Kalashmat, the gas piston is in fact part of the bolt frame. I poorly imagine what needs to be done to get this node stuck. Well ... you can remove the lid, pull out the bolt group, unfasten the gas pipe, put two or three presses of sand on the handles, collect and try to shoot. Only so, perhaps. laughing
        The short stroke is still structurally very different. There are pros and cons. But in any case, it is much better than what Stoner used.
        1. +4
          23 October 2019 07: 58
          There are pros and cons. But in any case, it is much better than what Stoner used.

          That is exactly what I had in mind. hi
      2. +6
        23 October 2019 07: 18
        If the memory has not completely betrayed me, the AK has a long piston stroke, and the German has a short one.
      3. +3
        23 October 2019 08: 28
        NK416 began to produce in the form of sets of parts for remodeling M4 and M16, this is one family.
        Actually, the Germans finalized one of the main shortcomings of the m16 - getting gases into the box.
        The numbers 4 and 16 are just about the relationship with m16 and m4.
  3. +6
    23 October 2019 05: 49
    The information is very interesting and thanks to the authors.
    There, in the "Wild West", customers and developers are clearly not standing still, but what about us? It is impossible to operate for an infinitely long time, albeit a successful one, the AK scheme. I would like to know about our developments in this direction, if the authors have the opportunity to find relevant materials.
    1. +3
      23 October 2019 07: 04
      A762 !!! The weapon is excellent! Only here the quality of the ammunition must be brought to the normal level. And all for now ...
      1. +1
        23 October 2019 09: 05
        Why is this child of PR good? The fact that in order to load it or eliminate the delay by reloading, it is necessary to apply a force of more than 15 kg even under normal conditions? Or the fact that after a 12-hour stay uncleaned after firing it can only be charged by "pedaling"?
        Its forefather, AEK-973, was shut down three and a half decades ago, for a reason. And if we carry out real comparative tests of the A-5,45 and A-7,62 even with the AK-74M and AK-103, then by the totality of their characteristics, these "super guns" will merge with the "oldies."
    2. +1
      25 October 2019 13: 27
      Quote: Sea Cat
      It is impossible to operate an infinitely long, albeit successful, AK circuit.
      why not? successful rifle models can be safely operated for 100 years, and some, like M2, for 150 years.
      Understand that the modernization of individual small arms no longer affects the outcome of modern combat - already in the wars of the end of the last century, the proportion of individual weapons on the battlefield did not exceed 10%, now even less.
      Therefore, now the army is quite enough machine design 70's, just in new plastic and with a new scope. Well, you can still put a microchip in there, for control / reporting.
      All.
  4. 0
    23 October 2019 08: 52
    And we still have ancient AKs. When as the Americans adopt a completely new machine guns.
    1. 0
      23 October 2019 10: 20
      it is possible, but with mass operation jambs with new sleeves can come out, which was innovative in this competition
    2. 0
      23 October 2019 17: 58
      Quote: Basarev
      And we still have ancient AKs. When as the Americans adopt a completely new machine guns.

      Brand new ones (no matter what principle they work on) should be at least 20% more accurate, longer-range, more reliable and cheaper - will they catch up with the "ancient" AKs in this?
  5. +1
    23 October 2019 09: 06
    Ensure accuracy at the level of 1 MOA ?! These are the parameters of a sniper rifle. If you create an assault rifle with such precision characteristics, it will cost as much as a steam locomotive, the cartridge will be gold, and you will need to carry the weapon in a vacuum bag.
    1. -1
      23 October 2019 10: 17
      dmr, not sniper, sniper 0.5 MOA give, and the old Soviet dmr Dragunov 1 MOA gave back in 1963, 60 years have passed, really modern CNC and industrial robots have not become more accurate during this time)
      1. 0
        23 October 2019 19: 40
        1 minute in automatic mode? Show me such a sniper. 0,5 in my opinion for better trunks, not gross output.
        1. +1
          23 October 2019 19: 50
          single, as in previous dmr like Mk 14 or SR-25, no one spoke about the automatic firing mode, there the barrel will jump harder from one recoil compared to 5.56, the infantrymen did not become larger)
          1. +1
            23 October 2019 19: 53
            Accuracy of shooting for automatic and semi-automatic fire is not more than 1 MOA.

            This is not what I came up with. Perhaps a question for the translator.
            1. 0
              23 October 2019 19: 55
              re-read, but most likely), there is still at the beginning of the paragraph this: "At least automatic and semi-automatic fire."
              1. 0
                23 October 2019 20: 01
                And the harm of snipers m14 is not 0,5, but sub-minutes. And their position is Marxman.
    2. 0
      25 October 2019 13: 39
      Quote: Yrec
      If you create an assault rifle with such precision characteristics, it will cost as much as a steam locomotive, the cartridge will be gold, and you will need to carry the weapon in a vacuum bag.

      it’s actually incomprehensible - neither for the weapon, nor for the cartridge.
      And on American forums, too, is boiling, because the Textron does not give any comments yet ...
      Only one thing is known - in 2018, when the first stage was carried out, a rifle from AAI Corporation (daughter of Textron, which at that time was engaged in the presentation of this rifle) was recognized, the quote: "exceeding the requirements of the competition, both in terms of the general concept and feasibility ". None of the other samples from other participants (General Dynamics, FN, PCP Tactical and Sig Sauer) received this rating.
      Now sit there and guess - what have they done there? bully
  6. +2
    23 October 2019 10: 00
    how strikingly the American shooting competition differs from what the Kalashnikov concern did.
    and how the result is different. Of course, the karamultuk device can be brought to perfection, but this works until the first serious collision.
    1. 0
      5 November 2019 08: 05
      how strikingly different is the American shooting competition from what it turned Kalashnikov concern. Kovrov

      I corrected, do not give thanks.
  7. -1
    23 October 2019 10: 21
    Of all the next generation shown / told by General Dynamics, an automatic rifle is an option with a composite cartridge and a machine gun (pictured with a knob) as a replacement for a 4 mm M1A5,56 carbine and an M249 automatic weapon. tests are in options 6.5 (long-range) and 6.8 (short-range) for plastic ???? doubtful. should post intense shooting turn into mucus. but these are their problems. Everyone knows the problem of small caliber. AK-12. non-stop shooting 680 shots and barrel rupture. opposite AK-7.62 shoots until the metal melts.
  8. +1
    23 October 2019 10: 25
    machine gun in a bullpup layout. the thing is very uncomfortable. plastic is doubtful. but the number of body kits is impressive.
  9. 0
    23 October 2019 10: 29
    why I didn’t find in the article what the trunk is made of. get., Inconel. nickel-chromium alloy.
  10. +5
    23 October 2019 10: 43
    Some provisions of the article are not complete or do not correspond to reality.

    Currently, three weapons companies are participating in the NGSW-R / AR competition:
    - TEXTRON;
    - General Dynamics;
    - SIG Sauer.
    The completion of the contest is planned for the 2021 year, so there is no winner yet.

    TEXTRON presented its proprietary development in the field of small arms ammunition - a telescopic cartridge with a plastic (polyimide) sleeve, General Dynamics - a bottle cartridge with a plastic (polyarylate) sleeve, SIG Sayer - a bottle cartridge with a metal (brass + steel) sleeve.

    In order to compensate for the high-pulse recoil from the 6,8x51 mm Sheffield cartridge (1,4 times the momentum of the 7,62x51 mm NATO cartridge), self-loading rifles and light machine guns are subject to mandatory competition silencers that reduce the recoil momentum by 1 / 3.

    To further reduce the recoil momentum, all competitive General Dynamics weapons models were made using a carriage (receiver) and a movable firing unit (barrel + gas outlet + bolt frame + bolt), stretching the momentum in time and thereby reducing the absolute value of the force acting on the shooter.

    In addition, the trigger mechanism of General Dynamics models supports two modes of production of shots:
    - self-loading firing with a closed shutter;
    - automatic shooting with an open shutter (in order to eliminate overheating of the plastic sleeve in the barrel chamber during intensive firing in bursts).
    1. +1
      23 October 2019 14: 16
      Quote: Operator
      telescopic cartridge with plastic (polyimide)


      Polyimide is one of the most expensive heat-resistant plastics!
      The price of polyimide thermoplastics exceeds the limit of 190000 kilograms!
      Brass is much cheaper - I do not see the economic point.

      PEEK thermoplastic is much cheaper (about 9000 rub), but it is slightly hygroscopic.
  11. +7
    23 October 2019 12: 13
    Reading the comments shows that the most active audience is sofa "iksperds" of various minority levels, who immediately "condemned" the newly-minted sample, at the same time exposing its creators of complete professional unsuitability.
    In this regard, information about the companies that participated in the final is of interest.
    Textron Inc. - 100 years of successful work, 37000 employees, $ 1000000000 in net profit per year.
    General Dynamics Corporation - 125 years of successful work, 105 employees worldwide, $ 000 billion in net profit per year.
    SIG Sauer won its first competition for the supply of weapons back in 1860, i.e. more than 150 years ago.
    Two companies stand apart, whose efforts were doomed to failure in advance due to the complete lack of experience in creating military weapons specifically.
    VK Integrated Systems, engaged in small arms in 2014, specializing in software.
    Cobalt Kinetics is a tuning company for the AR-15, including Featureless rifles.
    Regarding the first three firms, the white noise generated by the armory community in the couch in the form of screams "looks like toys", "the military's personal weapons must always shoot and hit" (this is generally a phrase claiming to be a discovery in the field of weapons !!!), "child of PR ' a "and the like evoke laughter and compassion.
    Further on.
    it remains only to puzzle over what is hidden inside the development of Sig Sauer. But you have to wait, unfortunately.
    I will try to supplement a few authors with the information that I managed to get at "Defense & Security Equipment International 2019".
    First about the machine gun. NGSW-AR is based on the MG-338 machine gun, which was created to participate in the tender for the supply of the machine gun, which was conducted by the Special Forces Command.

    Machine gun SIG Sauer MG-338.
    NGSW-AR, like the MG-338, has an aluminum receiver, a gas exhaust system with a short piston stroke. At the rear of the receiver there is a special buffer to reduce recoil force. According to the company, thanks to this device, the recoil force is at the level of the M4 carbine.
    Weight - 5,4 kg. To reduce weight compared to the MG-338, the NGSW-AR has a shorter trunk from 24 to 16 inches and no carrying handle. The barrel is quick change. The machine gun can use both hybrid ammunition 6,8 x 51 and 7,62 x 51. To switch from one type to another, it is enough to change the barrel.
    1. +2
      23 October 2019 12: 16

      Hybrid ammunition 6,8 x 51 mm with steel bottom liner for weight loss.
      1. 0
        23 October 2019 12: 29
        There is less information on the "stuffing" of NGSW-R. The barrel is 13 inches, ammunition is 6,8 x 51 and the ability to use 7,62 x 51. The configuration of the controls is as close as possible to the AR15 / M4, even the reload handle. Length 762 mm, possibility of using a silencer.
        1. +2
          23 October 2019 12: 31

          SIG Hybrid Ammunition Range - 6,5 mm, 6,8 mm and 7,62 x 51 mm
        2. 0
          23 October 2019 13: 08
          Apparently, this is their serial MOA for the new caliber.
          1. 0
            23 October 2019 13: 16
            In general, it feels like the Sigovians decided to be free. The ammunition was lightened a bit and that’s it. And the dimensions are like 7,62 NATO. What stores are they going to use, standard for 20 rounds? For the main army machine will not be enough.
          2. 0
            25 October 2019 14: 12
            Quote: Ironcity
            Apparently, this is their serial MOA for a new caliber
            no, the SIG-Sauers on the AUSA18 presented the SL MAG light machine gun, and the prototype carbine MCX MR under the Norma Magnum. Under the new 6,8 cartridge, the MCX has not yet been.
            But constructively in the MCX series there is nothing new - in fact, this is an app for AR-ke. By the way, SOKOM recently ordered a batch of conversion kits from them to remake the M4 carbine in the MCX Rattler PDW, under the .300 Blackout and 5,56 NATO cartridges.


            And for NGSW-R, a new project was developed, with a not yet known filling.
            1. 0
              25 October 2019 15: 39
              Hmm, in fact, now I looked - and indeed, the Zigovtsy presented a variation on the topic of the Ministry of Agriculture, and not a new project.
              Mde, pichalka.
      2. +4
        23 October 2019 12: 32
        The steel bottom was used not to reduce weight, but to perceive the increased peak pressure in the chamber chamber at the level of 7000 atmospheres (according to the terms of the NGSW-R / AR competition).
        1. +1
          23 October 2019 12: 40
          The addition is correct except for "NOT".
          The specific gravity of steel is 7,8 - 7,9 g / cm. cubic meters, brass - 8,2-8,85 g / cm. cubic meters, therefore, according to the company, steel was used both for the perception of high pressure and for weight relief.
          1. +3
            23 October 2019 12: 52
            For the bottom of the hybrid sleeve, not carbon steel was used, but stainless steel with a density of 8,1 g / cc, while the weight of the sleeve increased due to the lining of the brass walls on the glass of the steel bottom (which is not the case with a purely brass sleeve).

            For 40% increased pressure in the chamber of the barrel, you have to pay something: either with a detachable chamber (with pushing out, but not pulling out of the sleeve - TEXTRON), or a carriage automation circuit (with the shutter opening after pressure drop in the barrel - General Dynamics) or a reinforced bottom metal sleeve (steel + brass - SIG Sauer).
            1. 0
              23 October 2019 13: 13
              8,1 g / cc stainless steel
              Corrosion-resistant heat-resistant steel type 08X18H10T has a specific gravity of 7,9 g / cmXNUMX.
              The specific gravity above 8 g / cm13 is for steel of the type X4H9G25, Kh20N2SXNUMX and the like. Honestly, I’m not ready to answer now which steels are used by SIG, that's why I brought the version of the manufacturer’s company.
              1. +1
                25 October 2019 14: 50
                The issue is not only in strength there, steel is stronger, the wall can be made thinner, therefore - easier.
    2. +1
      23 October 2019 12: 39
      Quote: Undecim
      Textron Inc. - 100 years of successful work, 37000 employees, 1000000000 dollars of net profit per year

      TEXTRON found itself in an absurd situation - it is the parent company of a large military-industrial holding; until 2018 of the year, its specialized subsidiary AAI was engaged in small arms, which successfully failed the previous US Army shooting program, namely LSAT.

      Therefore, the TEXTRON company itself is participating in the NGSW-R / AR competition laughing
      1. 0
        25 October 2019 15: 36
        Quote: Operator
        TEXTRON Actually Participates in NGSW-R / AR Competition

        as far as I found information, AAI Corporation continues to work on NGSW-AR, and ammunition.
        Textron "took away" from them only the NGSW-R project, that is, the assault rifle.
        1. 0
          25 October 2019 15: 41
          I meant who formally represents TEXTRON in the NGSW contest, but who actually conducts design work within the corporation is most likely full-time employees of its subsidiary AAI.
    3. +1
      23 October 2019 18: 24
      Quote: Undecim
      sofa "iksperdy" of different levels of minority, which immediately "condemned" the newly-minted model, at the same time exposing its creators of complete professional unsuitability.

      You know that the curse of MacArthur hangs over the American rifle. 6,8 mm is dangerous, too close to .276 inches.
  12. +1
    23 October 2019 13: 53
    There is a suspicion that the head of the Pentagon is stirring up shura-moors with someone from Sig Sauer)) Right now they are going to win all the American tenders. Pistols and rifles already.
  13. +1
    23 October 2019 14: 29
    Quote: DimerVladimer
    Polyimide - one of the most expensive heat-resistant plastics

    Exactly, but TEXTRONy is a lightbulb - any whim for US Army money laughing

    Partially justifying the bankers - the weight of the plastic sleeve is from 3 to 4 grams, which reduces its price.
    1. +1
      23 October 2019 16: 32
      Quote: Operator
      Partially justifying the bankers - the weight of the plastic sleeve is from 3 to 4 grams, which reduces its price.


      The material is now very expensive - it is even used in ICE compression rings - it is heat-resistant, durable, and has a low coefficient of friction. The widest level of working temperatures is from +300 to -250. Recyclable.
      The molding process is exclusively sintering for heat-resistant polyimides.
      It is not unknown which one is used for thermowells, if thermoplastic - it is possible to inflate thermowells as PET bottles in mass production.
      But the price ... space.
      1. +3
        23 October 2019 18: 13
        Compression rings are dispersed graphite polyimide (black), the strength is lower, but the coefficient of friction is lower (~ 0,1).

        TEXTRON plastic sleeves are made of thermoplastic polyimide translucent, yellow and black (presented in the competition NGSW, probably filled with dispersed carbon fibers). As a preform, a tubular semi-finished product is used, from which cylindrical preforms are cut, closed on one side with a plastic breakthrough lid - a bullet holder, and on the other - with a plastic stopper with a nest for a capsule.
  14. 0
    23 October 2019 15: 51
    The Americans again want to change the awl for soap (a slightly improved soap, okay). Why not just make your M4 / 16 quality? And what's the point of a composite sleeve? Cheap (a full steel sleeve will be cheaper)? Cheapness along with accuracy (it’s possible, but again you can make enough high-quality cartridges on a steel sleeve)? Environmentally friendly (plastic is environmentally friendly!)?
    The simplest, in my opinion, improvement of army weapons is to add a regular sight to it, which will independently introduce range corrections - then the infantry’s accuracy will improve.
    And yes, the required accuracy of 1 MOA will be useful if the sight provides accurate aiming, and the mechanical sight does not allow this at all (at 400-500 meters the target behind the front sight will not be visible at all).
    1. +2
      23 October 2019 18: 14
      Quote: the47th
      Why not just make your M4 / 16 quality?

      Cartridge.
      Quote: the47th
      And what's the point of a composite sleeve?

      The weight.
      Quote: the47th
      sight that will independently adjust range

      They do it too.
      Quote: the47th
      and the mechanical sight will not allow this at all

      Only collimator or optics. There are topics on integration into glasses of additional reality, but this is still a development.

      The task that the Americans initially began to solve was the effectiveness of weapons while saturating the NIB battlefield. To do this, we need to switch back to NATO 7,62, but at the same time they decided to improve a little and now they are improving it for 20 years, as they have constantly.
    2. 0
      25 October 2019 16: 08
      Quote: the47th
      Environmentally friendly (plastic is environmentally friendly!)?

      but never wassat American forums have also raised this issue:
      Biodegradability of brass - 30 years, steel and even less.
      But polyimide is more than 300 years old ...
  15. +1
    23 October 2019 17: 11
    I just can’t find the information that SIG Sauer won. Even on the site of SIG itself this is not. Where does the information come from? Link please.
    1. 0
      24 October 2019 22: 25
  16. 0
    23 October 2019 17: 44
    A civil question, if there is dirt in the "leaky" barrel casing, what about cooling? And how to pick it out (dirt) in the field? smile
    1. 0
      25 October 2019 16: 14
      Quote: tarakan
      leaky casing
      it is closed with interchangeable plugs, that holey casing that we see is just the base with holes for the key-mod or m-lok format, and what they need is already put on them - rail, handle, plug, etc.
  17. 0
    23 October 2019 18: 21
    Heckler & Koch did not win, we can say today that the victory is celebrated by the German concern Sig Sauer.

    hi .... At NGSW-R from 6,8x51, the return is simply stunning fellow
    1. +1
      25 October 2019 16: 18
      Quote: san4es
      the return is simply stunning

      not surprising - this is a full-sized rifle cartridge, apparently they again want to step on the old rake - "Ah, the rifle cartridge is not suitable for automatic firing, let's switch to intermediate"
    2. +2
      27 October 2019 01: 16
      Yes. The impact on this video is visible.
      After the M-16, which (with all its shortcomings), zero return,
      American soldiers will have to strain laughing
  18. +3
    23 October 2019 18: 46
    Naive Americans. Something they think there ... decide .. they wonder ...

    They need to do as we do: they take the old AK-74, a new type of body kit is made on it, ergonomics are slightly improved and some fire control amenities are added.

    And voila! The absolutely "new" hand weapon of the "21st century" is ready! laughing lol tongue wassat good drinks

    Learn americos... laughing lol tongue
  19. 0
    23 October 2019 21: 33
    So it turned out to be true that the German company Heckler & Koch won the competition for small arms for the rearmament of the US Army. Only now is the US industry able to master German technologies?
    And yet, the restrictions imposed on the "Rate of Fire" parameter are of interest: The recommended rate of fire is 108 rounds per minute for 9 minutes 16 seconds and 300 rounds cyclically without changing the barrel.
    You can understand that 108 rounds / min * 9min 16 seconds = 10000 rounds continuously. Yes, she so many shots the plastic will melt and burn. And at the same time 300 shots cyclically. The barrel can withstand 10000 shots.
    We will wait for the United States to make working samples and to shoot at the indicated resource.
  20. 0
    14 November 2019 08: 55
    And if you completely abandon the shells? To use iron ore or monolithic metal charge?
    1. 0
      3 January 2020 00: 21
      They tried, the chamber overheating is too large, the additional cooling systems ate all the pluses. hi
      1. 0
        12 January 2020 10: 10
        A monolithic propellant charge on mixed powder can also be poured into a conventional cartridge case and a long capsule can be used to ignite the powder from the bottom of the bullet, rather than from the bottom of the cartridge case as usual, this will improve the internal ballistics and increase the initial speed

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