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The Ministry of Defense commented on the publication of the "contingency" situation on the nuclear submarine "Ryazan"

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The Ministry of Defense commented on the publication of the Vedomosti newspaper, where it was announced about an emergency situation at the Thunder-2019 exercises. Recall that the mentioned publication came out with an article on unnamed sources, where it was reported that one of the R-29P ICBMs allegedly didn’t leave the mine installation of the Ryazan nuclear submarine. As a result, instead of two announced launches from the Ryazan nuclear submarine, one launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile was made.


The Ministry of Defense commented on the publication of the "contingency" situation on the nuclear submarine "Ryazan"


The country's defense department denies the fact of an emergency with missed missiles from the mine installation.

The Ministry of Defense stated that it was decided not to use the missile consciously, “after evaluating the information about its technical condition”. This information, as stated, was obtained before launch. As a result of this, the commander decided not to use the rocket.
The ministry added that the purpose of the missile firing exercise was to verify the combat control system of the Russian Armed Forces.

From the report:

The purpose of the exercise was not to launch the maximum number of missiles.

Recall that we are talking about the Thunder-2019 exercise, which was personally led by the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces, Vladimir Putin. Shooting was carried out in various versions, including the mentioned option using the underwater component fleet.
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  1. Crash
    Crash 21 October 2019 14: 55
    -77
    What a miserable excuse I am ...
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 21 October 2019 15: 06
      +75
      Even if some kind of missile malfunction was detected, the commander’s decision was correct and no one was hurt. The main thing for the media is to inflate some kind of news, but whether it is true or not does not matter.
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 21 October 2019 15: 24
        +38
        If someone blabbed from the Moscow Region, then the relevant authorities should work hard, which was remembered throughout the army and others were not comfortable, but if this is just another jabber of the icteric newspaper, then you need to fine, and fine fine.
        1. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 21 October 2019 15: 55
          +22
          Greetings hi The synchronous work of the liberal media on this news feed is striking ... The information attack is direct.
          1. freejack
            freejack 21 October 2019 16: 34
            +12
            striking synchronous work of liberal media

            Liberal today has a holiday on this occasion ... something else surprises me .... they are alive on this sinful land precisely thanks to this weapon! ... We must hate the guarantee of peace and our defense! .. fool hi
          2. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 21 October 2019 20: 10
            +3
            For yellow misinformation it is necessary to deprive the publication of a license.
        2. Invoce
          Invoce 21 October 2019 16: 04
          +16
          Quote: maxim947
          If someone blabbed from the Moscow Region, then the relevant bodies should do a good job, which was remembered throughout the army and others were not comfortable, but if it’s another chatter of the icteric newspaper, then you need to fine, and fine fine.

          To dismiss from the ranks of the RF Armed Forces need! As my first commander used to say, "there is only one step from a dirty collar to CHANGE OF THE HOMELAND!"
          Now I have leaked the information to the "Liberation" press, and tomorrow to whom and what will it be?
          Anyway, you need to figure out where the woods come from? If damage is caused to the reputation of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, it is necessary to fine the press and the editor-in-chief, to excommunicate the correspondent! angry
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        3. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 21 October 2019 16: 05
          +7
          Quote: maxim947
          If someone blabbed from MO

          Quote: Crash
          The fact is that the MO gave an answer only after Vedomosti did it.

          Quote: Old26
          There is an exercise plan. Which is claimed by a senior representative of the Ministry of Defense.

          Are the words "military secret" an empty phrase for some high-ranking representative of the Ministry of Defense? Maybe he should immediately send reports to the Pentagon on the plans and problems of the Russian Defense Ministry? Country Defense Show? And who is he, by rank and position, if "glasnost"?
          I'm the old leaven. I remember by heart the words of the military oath "... strictly keep military and state secrets ...! And I am sometimes jarred by news from the Ministry of Defense bordering on treason.
        4. neri73-r
          neri73-r 21 October 2019 16: 49
          +4
          Quote: maxim947
          then you need to fine, and fine fine.

          Interestingly, the question is not for you, opinions on the site diverged, so if you blabbed - fine fine, but if you destroyed military equipment due to negligence, curse the current, do not have to recover the cost! fellow Interesting girls are dancing.
          1. not main
            not main 21 October 2019 23: 30
            +2
            Quote: neri73-r
            Quote: maxim947
            then you need to fine, and fine fine.

            Interestingly, the question is not for you, opinions on the site diverged, so if you blabbed - fine fine, but if you destroyed military equipment due to negligence, curse the current, do not have to recover the cost! fellow Interesting girls are dancing.

            Just don’t lump everything together! Blabbed out - guilty by all laws! And military equipment ... if it is proven to be negligent, answer! But when it happens in the "force majeure" mode, you have to deal with it very painstakingly! And do not appoint those responsible! As it is without the girls.
        5. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 22 October 2019 20: 00
          -8
          Quote: maxim947
          If someone blabbed from the Moscow Region, then the relevant authorities should work hard, which was remembered throughout the army and others were not comfortable, but if this is just another jabber of the icteric newspaper, then you need to fine, and fine fine.


          From being able to shut up their mouths - will rockets do better?
          Will they become more reliable?
          Fly further and faster?
      2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 21 October 2019 15: 54
        +10
        Quote: Spartanez300
        Even if some kind of missile malfunction was detected, the commander’s decision was correct and no one was hurt.

        Moreover, the Project 667 Ryazan BDR was launched back in 1982. Her service life was supposed to be 25 years, and she will soon be 40 years old. Flotprom writes that Knyaz Oleg, the second strategic missile submarine of Project 955A Borey-A, will be transferred in 2020 to the Pacific Fleet, and not to the Northern Fleet, as previously planned. Due to its venerable age, as well as due to obsolescence of the main caliber 667BDR - SLBM R-29RKU-02 "Station-2" "Ryazan" by 2022 will be decommissioned and scrapped.
      3. Crash
        Crash 21 October 2019 15: 56
        -8
        And the Military Review is not doing the same, in every possible way inflating the problems of the military-industrial complex of the whole world and presenting all Russian weapons to the best in the world?
        1. bondrostov
          bondrostov 21 October 2019 16: 21
          +10
          I think that in the same forums in the United States they are doing the same. By the way, a question for connoisseurs and they have something like that?
          1. Avior
            Avior 21 October 2019 22: 35
            +2
            National interest?
            He does not climb out of the pages of VO
        2. neri73-r
          neri73-r 21 October 2019 16: 51
          +7
          Quote: Crash
          And the Military Review is not doing the same, in every possible way inflating the problems of the military-industrial complex of the whole world and presenting all Russian weapons to the best in the world?

          Take it easy, your best! Exhale.
    2. Invoce
      Invoce 21 October 2019 16: 00
      +19
      Quote: Crash
      What a miserable excuse I am ...
      what
      Before use, ALL products are checked by the built-in control by specialists responsible for the use of this weapon. Accordingly, the product could not pass the pre-launch control, and it was decided not to use it ... An example from the "civil" operation of the products ... it is impossible to eliminate in the shortest possible time - they change the board ... fool
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 21 October 2019 16: 07
        -1
        Quote: Invoce
        Quote: Crash
        What a miserable excuse I am ...
        what
        Before use, ALL products are checked by the built-in control by specialists responsible for the use of this weapon. Accordingly, the product could not pass the pre-launch control, and it was decided not to use it ... An example from the "civil" operation of the products ... it is impossible to eliminate in the shortest possible time - they change the board ... fool

        Nevertheless, the planes are fighting, the human factor of those. no one has canceled
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 21 October 2019 16: 13
          +8
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Still the planes are fighting human factor tech. composition no one canceled

          Let it be known that most disasters are caused by fault flight composition.
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 21 October 2019 19: 11
            -1
            Quote: Piramidon
            Quote: Vol4ara
            Still the planes are fighting human factor tech. composition no one canceled

            Let it be known that most disasters are caused by fault flight composition.

            Keyword "big"
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 21 October 2019 19: 36
              +4
              Quote: Vol4ara
              Quote: Piramidon
              Quote: Vol4ara
              Still the planes are fighting human factor tech. composition no one canceled

              Let it be known that most disasters are caused by fault flight composition.

              Keyword "big"

              That's it. And you have only one technical staff guilty. During my 22 years of service in the regiment, there have been 4 accidents and not a single one due to the fault of the technical staff and even the fault of the materiel. Mostly honored and 1st class pilots fell. As the commander said during the analysis of one of the disasters - We flew. Instructions and instructions are no longer written for them. A whole chain of violations. The alarm is ringing, red lights are blinking, the flight engineer is yelling at the SPU - "Speed! ... your mother!"
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 21 October 2019 19: 36
                -3
                Quote: Piramidon
                Quote: Vol4ara
                Quote: Piramidon
                Quote: Vol4ara
                Still the planes are fighting human factor tech. composition no one canceled

                Let it be known that most disasters are caused by fault flight composition.

                Keyword "big"

                That's it. And you have only one technical staff guilty.

                Where is it? Quote ka
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 21 October 2019 20: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Vol4ara
                  Where is it? Quote ka

                  human factor those. composition no one canceled

                  I quote again with underlining, although I highlighted it in bold letters the last time. I hope you will not refuse this quote of yours?
                  1. Vol4ara
                    Vol4ara 22 October 2019 08: 31
                    -1
                    Quote: Piramidon
                    Quote: Vol4ara
                    Where is it? Quote ka

                    human factor those. composition no one canceled

                    I quote again with underlining, although I highlighted it in bold letters the last time. I hope you will not refuse this quote of yours?

                    So where in my quote do I indicate that one of those members is to blame?
                    1. Piramidon
                      Piramidon 22 October 2019 09: 22
                      0
                      Quote: Vol4ara
                      So where in my quote do I indicate that one of those members is to blame?

                      Everything is clear with you. This is already called obstinacy and unwillingness to admit their mistakes. For some reason, you didn’t write simply - "the human factor" in general, without specifics, but write about the human factor specifically "technical composition".
                      1. Vol4ara
                        Vol4ara 22 October 2019 09: 31
                        -1
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        Quote: Vol4ara
                        So where in my quote do I indicate that one of those members is to blame?

                        Everything is clear with you. This is already called obstinacy and unwillingness to admit their mistakes. For some reason, you didn’t write simply - "the human factor" in general, without specifics, but write about the human factor specifically "technical composition".

                        And because of the fault of those trains do not fall cars?
              2. Amurets
                Amurets 23 October 2019 14: 18
                +1
                Quote: Piramidon
                Mostly deserved pilots fell and 1st class. As the commander said in the analysis of one of the disasters - Flew in.

                I can say another thing, well, I fully support the essence of your comment. When we were retraining for electric locomotives, we were shown a film on electrical safety and the essence is that at first, the first 2 years people die from inexperience, then a stable period begins and the percentage of injuries is low, and then, starting from the experience of 7-10 years, a percentage of injuries grows, we had a term, we made it.
        2. ALEKSANDR kUTS
          ALEKSANDR kUTS 21 October 2019 21: 54
          +10
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Quote: Invoce
          Quote: Crash
          What a miserable excuse I am ...
          what
          Before use, ALL products are checked by the built-in control by specialists responsible for the use of this weapon. Accordingly, the product could not pass the pre-launch control, and it was decided not to use it ... An example from the "civil" operation of the products ... it is impossible to eliminate in the shortest possible time - they change the board ... fool

          Nevertheless, the planes are fighting, the human factor of those. no one has canceled


          Do not invent and speculate, yes. After loading the product onto the ship, a routine check is carried out. All. Further only shooting. If something doesn’t happen during the routine inspection, then right up to unloading the product and sending it back to RTB (which happened) ....... But, since this is not just a shooting exercise, but how to verify the passage of combat control signals then:
          and). - the second missile could well have been expelled from the salvo intentionally, up to the OPS (cancellation of launch preparation), which in principle is not a contingency situation;
          b) - if there were problems during the APT, then the automation itself will cancel the start preparation, also the OPS, but due to the mismatch of certain parameters. The documentation system will then allow you to understand why.
          And I strongly disagree with those who like talking about "old hardware". The iron may not be new, but it should work flawlessly because this is a ship of constant readiness - once, and it is not at all loaded with New Year's crackers - two. The Motherland is counting on 16 ready-to-use missiles and nothing else. Therefore, if the mat worked abnormally. part of the RC, then you @ bans should be everything from the commander to the sailor of the BCh-2.
          Yes, another topic is possible, since the shooting was definitely for extending the shelf life of missiles. This is the situation, we’ll ship two, if everything is ok with the first, then we don’t shoot the second.
          So, I suppose.
          1. Fizik M
            Fizik M 23 October 2019 11: 47
            -1
            Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
            And I strongly disagree with those who like talking about "old hardware". The iron may not be new, but it should work flawlessly because this is a ship of constant readiness - once, and it is not at all loaded with New Year's crackers - two. The Motherland is counting on 16 ready-to-use missiles and nothing else. Therefore, if the mat worked abnormally. part of the RC, then you @ bans should be everything from the commander to the sailor of the BCh-2.


            once again - an extremely simple question - in what status were you on the BDR?
            because the question of the technical state of the Kamchatka BDR is "still the same"
            1. ALEKSANDR kUTS
              ALEKSANDR kUTS 24 October 2019 01: 00
              +1
              From the commander of the group to the special task force, does this "status" suit?) 10 autonomous systems, 6 practical firing
              1. Fizik M
                Fizik M 24 October 2019 12: 07
                -1
                Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                before spb b

                No.
                taking into account the nonsense that you carried by the alleged "secrecy" (in quotes) BDR questions for you arise even more ...
                1. ALEKSANDR kUTS
                  ALEKSANDR kUTS 24 October 2019 18: 39
                  +1
                  Firstly: what secrecy was not mentioned at all, and secondly: if you do not agree that the secrecy of the submarine consists of many factors and is not taken out of nowhere, but is achieved by a number of complex measures, both technical and tactical, then the questions probably not to me) .....
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                    1. ALEKSANDR kUTS
                      ALEKSANDR kUTS 24 October 2019 21: 31
                      0
                      Listen, why are you talking to me like that? Just with those who are twice as young as you can be on you, I suppose. If you do not know what, then this does not mean that you are being deceived. And you should not be so self-confident and pompous, because there is always a cooler acoustics than you, I’m sure of that. And yet, who are you to give assessments to whom? And who needs them here?
                      This is "nonsense" for you, and I will repeat once again that the adversary has never grazed us.
                      Do you even know by what methods and methods, by what means, by means, the absence of tracking the ship in the BS is confirmed, in what time frame? Definitely sure not. Because you don’t have and never had such a form of admission. And we will not talk about it here.
                      We also had one, but really a chemist. As a specialist, he is very good, but he was an acre of his specialty, like you, in all other respects, was a "specialist")), moreover, the very first.
                      Have you ever been to the sea for at least six months or not?)
                      1. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 25 October 2019 12: 14
                        -1
                        Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                        This is "nonsense" for you, and I will repeat once again that the adversary has never grazed us.

                        fool
                        "fairy tales about a gray bull in the next hall"
                        Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                        If you do not know what, then this does not mean that you are being deceived. And you should not be so self-confident and pompous, because there is always a cooler acoustics than you, I’m sure of that

                        once again - I AM NOT ACOUSTIC
                        i'm anti-ship
                        SUCCESSFUL
                        Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                        Do you even know by what methods and methods, by what means, by means, the absence of tracking the ship in the BS is confirmed, in what time frame?

                        KNOWN
                        Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                        Definitely sure not.

                        this is "sucking a finger" YOU say so?
                        Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                        Because you don’t have and never had such a form of admission.

                        YOU are illiterate nonsense
                        I read "Kvyatkovsky's dad" even as a cadet
                        Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                        Have you ever been to the sea for at least six months or not?)

                        found
                        only in YOUR case it is a "Lazarev's chest" (which all the seas with Lazarev "went out", but as it was a chest, it remained "
                        In "YOUR case" it is still quite rash (for the position of the SEC BU, which YOU ascribe to yourself cannot be so illiterate)
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                      4. ALEKSANDR kUTS
                        ALEKSANDR kUTS 26 October 2019 13: 26
                        -1
                        But I didn’t completely disassemble the last line, right?
                        Although you do not answer questions, but nevertheless .....
                        WHAT ARE YOU SO "TALENTED" and "SUCCESSFUL", but NOT a commander?
                        The question is rhetorical.
                      5. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 26 October 2019 21: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                        But I didn’t completely disassemble the last line, right?

                        and what to disassemble nonsense stupid "carts" (in YOUR face)?
                        the answer is simple - the one who organized the search and found
                        Fershteyn?
                        And the Commander taught this
      2. demo
        demo 22 October 2019 13: 31
        0
        Before use, ALL products are checked by built-in control by specialists responsible for the use of this weapon.

        Enlighten please.
        Products are loaded on board the boat.
        Are they checked before downloading?
        Required!
        Otherwise, the issue of state defense can simply be removed from the agenda.
        After loading the product, it suddenly becomes unusable.
        How could this happen?
        What reasons?
        For the period of time from shipment from the storage warehouse to the side of the boat, how long does it take?
        And that the product is dragged or thrown from a great height?
        Or is it so tender that you can’t breathe nearby?

        Last remark.
        If some ammunition is loaded for exercises, then it is USUALLY used all in exercises.
        Troubles take it back!
        And this applies even to a cartridge, even a rocket.
        Not for that the boat goes to sea in order to release one rocket. when there are two, three, five on board.
        After all, the teachings show not only that the rocket flew out.
        But also that she hit. And where you need to go.
        And two or three, five missiles show the stability of the hit.

        It is strange for me to read the statements of those who believe that it is not worth talking out loud about our failures.
        Adversary already knows everything.
        For both satellites hang and spies roam. In the Kremlin, including.
        Was there a precedent?
        1. ALEKSANDR kUTS
          ALEKSANDR kUTS 22 October 2019 16: 53
          +2
          But it’s strange for me to read those who do not understand anything in this matter, from the word in general, but already talking about some kind of failure, especially aloud)
      3. basal
        basal 22 October 2019 15: 00
        +1
        Invoce You are absolutely right! The boat is not young, as is the product (rocket). There is a certain procedure for prelaunch training. Somewhere a failure. Launch canceled. All according to the regulations. Moreover, sailors, respectively, MO, will not even understand the reasons - this is the business of designers and manufacturers. We will never know the results of the failure. And this is also correct !!! There is no need for amateurs to get into questions that are beyond their comprehension.
    3. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 21 October 2019 16: 30
      +2
      Quote: Crash
      What a miserable excuse I am ...

      Well, do not be so self-critical about yourself. Above the nose. All life ahead, hope and wait.
    4. Stas1973
      Stas1973 21 October 2019 16: 31
      -11
      This is not an excuse, but a wretched yet another lie from MO. That’s real, de javu sets in, everything is like the late USSR. And do not write military secrets. There is nothing secret here.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 21 October 2019 18: 19
        0
        Quote: Stas1973
        another lie from MO

        Sure?
      2. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 21 October 2019 18: 36
        -2
        Quote: Stas1973
        And do not write military secrets. There is nothing secret here.

        Recently, American spies under the guise of diplomats were detained. Also interested in anything secret.
        1. Avior
          Avior 21 October 2019 22: 44
          +1
          With the spies, embarrassment came out - they MO warned of their trip
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 22 October 2019 08: 14
            0
            Quote: Avior
            With the spies, embarrassment came out - they MO warned of their trip

            Yeah! Get lost!
        2. Stas1973
          Stas1973 22 October 2019 02: 29
          -4
          Here is another example of the insignificance of sources about the event. Study the question, and then write. There was no detention.
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 23 October 2019 14: 37
            0
            Quote: Stas1973
            Here is another example of the insignificance of sources about the event. Study the question, and then write. There was no detention.

            Then there will be no sensation and the money will float away.
            "The tragedy of submarine K-129

            Behind the scenes of Operation JENIFER
            Anatoly Shtyrov

            Later events developed in the spirit of American "Westerns" and were not of interest to professional intelligence officers. However, something deserves attention. The television show, “kindly” broadcast by E. Kiselev on NTV on March 9 this year, shows “genuine footage” of how the US FBI tied up a group of gangsters who ripped open the safe in Howard Hughes's office. So to speak, "muzzles to the floor, hands in handcuffs behind the back." All this, to put it mildly, is not true. Otherwise, the documents on the top-secret CIA operation "Jennifer" could never have fallen into the hands of reporters. The fact is that two rival gangs of gangsters clashed at the cherished safe of Hughes, a battle for the possession of the "secret" ensued between them. The FBI and the CIA of the United States in a shameful way all this was screwed up and the ubiquitous reporters were the first to enter the scene. One of them took possession of the folder "Jennifer", eluded the pursuit of agents, barricaded himself in some telephone booth and managed to transfer the main thing to his bosses. Further - a matter of technology. "N. Cherkashin," The Secret of the "K", this story is described more exciting
    5. loki565
      loki565 21 October 2019 17: 49
      +5
      What a miserable excuse I am ...

      Such "excuses" are practiced all over the world, but the saucepan obscures your eyes
    6. evgen1221
      evgen1221 21 October 2019 19: 36
      +4
      And why is she so wretched? If the system issued a fault code, it is logical that it was not allowed to run at the risk of ditching itself. You yourself would come to a faulty gas stove, knowing that if you turn it on, you yourself and even the floor of the house will remain without housing. What is the excuse then? Well, yes, at the level of debilitation of the education of the population in the West, thinking what you say is not necessary at all.
    7. SOF
      SOF 22 October 2019 06: 30
      -1
      Quote: Crash
      What a miserable excuse I am ..

      .... wretched grunting ....
  2. MrFox
    MrFox 21 October 2019 14: 56
    -30
    A play on words. In fact, she did not fly out
    1. askort154
      askort154 21 October 2019 15: 13
      +26
      MrFox .....Playing words. In fact, she did not fly out

      In fact, they didn’t start it. (Read the article?) During the pre-launch control, a malfunction was revealed. The commander hangs up. What is incomprehensible here?
      There are a lot of such cases, both in our country and abroad, when in the last seconds the launch is canceled even at the cosmodromes. But for us, this is not interesting, we need to "reflect". Engage in conspiracy theories.
      To convince in "lies". yes
      1. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 21 October 2019 15: 26
        +7
        Someone just itches in all the most interesting places, as you want to gossip, could explode or could not and how much Herosim would have succeeded. They would like to, wash the guys more often, and if it doesn’t help, run to the psychiatrist.
      2. Galleon
        Galleon 21 October 2019 16: 15
        +7
        The prelaunch control failure could have been actual, or it could have been just one of the sudden introductory exercises! And the "informed source" could only "hear the ringing". BUT everything is inflated like an incident on the verge of tragedy.
        The media has nothing to do on a strategic boat! There are competent people, instructions and controls. Missiles, like money, love silence.
        1. Chit
          Chit 21 October 2019 17: 57
          -1
          Competent people were abundant in August 2000 in the Kola Bay. Starting from captains of the 1st rank and ending with the commander of the Northern Fleet.
          Did their competence greatly help the Kursk crew?
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 21 October 2019 18: 23
        +2
        Quote: askort154
        In fact, they did not launch it

        In fact, there was not even a launch attempt. Found a malfunction and - hang up. But after all, in the opinion of the Svidomo brothers there was almost panic, they press the "Start" button and it does not come out in any way.
    2. ALEKSANDR kUTS
      ALEKSANDR kUTS 21 October 2019 22: 02
      +4
      Well, yes, but ..... But was supposed to fly out? I believe that plans for this teaching are unknown to you. And for the commander and commander of the BS-2, for example, the exclusion of a rocket from a salvo can also be an unexpected, this is extremely rare in practical shooting. Exercises are not only to shoot, but also to work out l / s in different situations, yes.
  3. Crash
    Crash 21 October 2019 14: 56
    -37
    With such success, you can hide the fails of anything and everything.
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 21 October 2019 15: 35
      +10
      But aren't you a Cossack mishandled, freshly registered ... specifically to throw shit on a fan here?
      1. Crash
        Crash 21 October 2019 15: 40
        -1
        I only had to express my opinion, as they had already managed to accuse me of all mortal sins. Comments for this have been created, and if my opinion does not suit you and you do not like something, then this is your problem.
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 21 October 2019 15: 44
          +3
          Comments are created for a reasoned answer or expressing one’s opinion, with facts, with examples, with knowledge of the question ... but what you write is not comments, these are drafts
          1. Crash
            Crash 21 October 2019 15: 49
            0
            The fact is that there was no start-up. If the USA had such a situation, the Urukryalok in the backwardness of the West would have been a whole topic.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 21 October 2019 16: 19
              -4
              Quote: Crash
              If this is the situation in the USA

              Have you got a lawyer for Trump?
              1. Crash
                Crash 21 October 2019 16: 31
                -1
                I'm talking about double standards and bias. Can’t you be unsubstantiated and present to the public, where I do good to the USA?
            2. Horon
              Horon 21 October 2019 22: 04
              +1
              They also have such situations, then: either they launch another, or go to the base. And yes, the pre-launch test, if the rocket does not pass, then only a completely sick person can activate it. With regards to "not getting out of the mine" - this is already an emergency. This also happens, in fact, an accident, no active actions (other starts) will be done. The rocket is in a cocked state, no one knows what to expect from it after that. The sub will not even submerge and will "spank" the base on the surface, reporting the incident. And since it did not pass the test during prelaunch preparation, it will not be activated, and what happened to it - to figure it out at the base, which was the reason: the failure of the rocket or boat equipment. Thank God everyone is safe and sound, the equipment is safe and efficient! The percentage of failures, although it is not large, is incorporated into any equipment, even military - alas!
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            3. Doctor
              Doctor 21 October 2019 19: 07
              +5
              My literacy on the forum did not stop me from graduating from aviation and working in an engineering position at the airport.

              If your plane doesn’t pass the Transit check, will you release it at any cost?

              The boat commander did well, was not afraid to slow the rocket during exercises at Putin's level. Enough dumb accidents.
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      2. bondrostov
        bondrostov 21 October 2019 15: 47
        0
        Andrey, yes, do not pay attention to them; The rocket was released because there might have been some kind of violation, and since this exercise does not make sense even at a little risk, if it (God forbid) was a military launch, it would simply have been released the last of them all. And I think that she would achieve her goals.
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    2. fighter angel
      fighter angel 21 October 2019 15: 41
      0
      srash
      But tell me, when God forbid, "Hour X" comes, and a certain number of ICBMs, minus one, will take off towards the mattressastan / and others like him, minus one, will you and yours feel much "easier" from this?
      1. Crash
        Crash 21 October 2019 15: 53
        -4
        Who the fucking thing. I write about that, that the MO has always been, is and will continue to deny the feyl and in every possible way smooth out the information leaked to the media. This is common to all countries. They all lie! But I see from you the Moscow Region and the state media of the Russian Federation that are the guarantor of truth and impartiality, there are no words.
        1. fighter angel
          fighter angel 21 October 2019 15: 55
          -5
          Better look at your State Department.
          And for ours, we ourselves, somehow ...
          1. Crash
            Crash 21 October 2019 16: 06
            -4
            Keyword somehow. Or just close our eyes, because I don’t want to take off the pink glasses?
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 21 October 2019 16: 33
              -4
              Quote: Crash
              Keyword somehow. Or just close our eyes, because I don’t want to take off the pink glasses?

              So you admit that here you’re trampling claudia from the State Department?
              1. Crash
                Crash 21 October 2019 16: 35
                -4
                Of their own free will. Surprised?
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 21 October 2019 16: 51
                  -2
                  Quote: Crash
                  Of their own free will. Surprised?

                  No, not surprised. All your comments say this. All Svidomo brethren for three cookies have been serving their owners for free for 5 years.
                2. neri73-r
                  neri73-r 21 October 2019 16: 55
                  -1
                  From what country?
                  Quote: Crash
                  Of their own free will. Surprised?
                  1. Crash
                    Crash 21 October 2019 18: 02
                    +1
                    Republic of Belarus.
                    1. neri73-r
                      neri73-r 21 October 2019 18: 05
                      0
                      Quote: Crash
                      Republic of Belarus.

                      Are you so aggressive shosh? Or is it our brother’s brother, well, like a local analogue, aspiring to the European Union?
                      1. Piramidon
                        Piramidon 21 October 2019 18: 26
                        0
                        Quote: neri73-r
                        Quote: Crash
                        Republic of Belarus.

                        Are you so aggressive shosh?

                        There, too, "Svidomo" more than enough, Not only home-grown, but also fled from the neighboring country. Now they pretend to be indigenous Belarusians.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 21 October 2019 15: 02
    +4
    The Ministry of Defense stated that it was decided not to use the missile consciously, “after evaluating the information about its technical condition”.

    At least you warn Ukraine, it seems that nothing serious has happened, but the people there have become so excited that the pots are ringing all over the place ... I read the comments, it's something ...
  5. Dimy4
    Dimy4 21 October 2019 15: 02
    +4
    I don’t know if this news is true or not, but some elements are already rubbing their hands quite enough: - "Aha, the military did not succeed, so they need it!"
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 21 October 2019 15: 16
      +4
      Quote: Dimy4
      some elements are already quite rubbing the handles: -

      Well, judging by the first commentator, not only pens ... laughing
  6. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 21 October 2019 15: 04
    +9
    That is, for everyone who unsubscribed - at the moment it is Crash (Dmitry); MrFox (Mr. Fox) - is there XNUMX% reliable information that Vedomosti reported the truth, and MO is lying?
    1. Crash
      Crash 21 October 2019 15: 13
      -15
      The fact is that the Ministry of Defense gave the answer only after Vedomosti did it. What is already hinting, there are some leaks, then the Ministry of Defense would have kept silent about this, but in this situation, in order not to confirm doubts about the "power" of the country and the ability to kick the enemy's ass, concocted just such an excuse.
      1. Stalllker
        Stalllker 21 October 2019 15: 18
        +12
        And what is there to talk about ??? Let's also report that soldier Ivanov did not go on patrol because of diarrhea
      2. bondrostov
        bondrostov 21 October 2019 15: 49
        +4
        And do you think that in the event of a war the United States has all the missiles start. Well ... 90 percent that they have what we have IMHO
        1. Crash
          Crash 21 October 2019 16: 10
          -5
          But am I saying somewhere that the USA cannot have such problems? Everyone always has such problems. Indeed, the media learned to manipulate the mind more than necessary. There is such a topic in another section.
      3. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 21 October 2019 15: 50
        +2
        So, the "excuse" of the Ministry of Defense is solely in the fact that they commented on the incident only after it was mentioned by "Vedomosti" and that's it?
        Of course, "the people have the right to know", but is that all, and about everything? Why do you think that this situation affects your personal life so much that, with the filing of Vedomosti, you need to comment so caustically and ironically?
      4. Piramidon
        Piramidon 21 October 2019 16: 38
        -2
        Quote: Crash
        The fact is that the MO gave an answer only after Vedomosti did it.

        The Ministry of Defense unsubscribed after you like yours raised a high in the network and this "news" began to walk on all liberal and "Svidomo" publications. Well, do you really think in all seriousness that the defense department of a country like Russia should comment on all articles in yellow tabloid leaflets and respond to the barking of each mongrel from under the Ukrainian fence in the "mordobook"? Then everything is clear with you. The pan is like that.
  7. tatarin_ru
    tatarin_ru 21 October 2019 15: 05
    -8
    it was decided not to use the rocket consciously, “after evaluating the information about its technical condition”.

    This information, as stated, was obtained before launch. As a result of this, the commander decided not to use the rocket.

    It seemed to me that the technical condition was checked before the start of the exercises. and not at the time, especially before starting.
    I present a dialogue:
    - check the condition of the rocket
    - no .. will not fly. rusty all.
    - I report, we will not launch one rocket, it does not allow those. state.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 21 October 2019 15: 33
      +13
      Quote: tatarin_ru
      It seemed to me that the technical condition was checked before the start of the exercises. and not at the time, especially before starting.

      Dear reader, you are poorly aware of the nature of weapons testing. Often, exercises are conducted to ensure that personnel gain experience in identifying problems with weapons, including cases when problems are set as input.
      Quote: tatarin_ru
      I present a dialogue:

      Judging by what you wrote, a real dialogue you NOT can you imagine.
      1. bondrostov
        bondrostov 21 October 2019 15: 52
        -4
        Gospadin does not even know that a liquid fuel rocket is being fueled before launch. And then those could be pulled out. The malfunction and not the fact that it is critical, but there is no point in rescuing in exercises
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 21 October 2019 16: 34
          +8
          Quote: bondrostov
          Gospadin does not even know that a liquid fuel rocket is being fueled before launch.

          EMNIP, R-29 are refueled at the plant and the containers with fuel and oxidizer are sealed (so-called "ampulization"). This ensures long-term storage of fueled missiles, minimization of the threat of leakage of propellant components, and a quick transfer of the missile to readiness for launch (for the first "amputated" ICBMs, the transfer time was about 5 minutes).
          1. bondrostov
            bondrostov 21 October 2019 16: 36
            +2
            I admit I was mistaken.
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        3. ALEKSANDR kUTS
          ALEKSANDR kUTS 21 October 2019 22: 13
          +3
          The gentleman may not know that the rocket is liquid, but you do not know that it, the rocket, is ampouled, refueled at the factory and of course no refueling is carried out before launch.
          In principle, when a rocket is fired to extend its service life, they actually want to make sure that everything is ok with the components. And that this series can continue to be considered "not rotten", well, figuratively speaking wink
      2. tatarin_ru
        tatarin_ru 21 October 2019 23: 15
        0
        Judging by what you wrote, you can’t imagine a real dialogue.

        Do not take to heart. I understand everything.
        Dear reader, you are poorly aware of the nature of weapons testing.

        Truth be told, yes. He believed that the ammunition itself, the missiles were checked before the exercises (if this is not an emergency training)
        Anything can be on the exercises, but here I understand the politics, the leadership watched the exercises, they had to shoot back to report on successful launches. (according to plan).
        So something went wrong.
      3. tatarin_ru
        tatarin_ru 21 October 2019 23: 29
        0
        Dear Reader

        I know of course that in military people are serious, serious, they’ll drive any joke and cons laughing
        We must be more serious, I will. hi
    2. kuznec
      kuznec 21 October 2019 16: 24
      +3
      Quote: tatarin_ru
      It seemed to me that the technical condition was checked before the start of the exercises. and not at the time, especially before starting.
      I present a dialogue:
      - check the condition of the rocket
      - no .. will not fly. rusty all.
      - I report, we will not launch one rocket, it does not allow those. state.


      I do not know if the fuel is encapsulated in Sineva (which reduces the likelihood of failure), but in any case, such equipment is tested before starting. These are all space rockets. Yes, failure is unambiguous. But: compare the number of the transfer of launches of the Musk carriers and on the Russian exercises. These are quite comparable parameters, but in our favor. And the fact that the launch was canceled by the commander on the boat, which, along with the missiles, is about to be written off, speaks only of the quality of the testing equipment, other equipment and the submarine itself.
      And do not think that this does not happen in the states.
      I think the MO should draw conclusions and who should be punished. For that, exercises are being conducted.
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      1. tatarin_ru
        tatarin_ru 21 October 2019 23: 24
        +1
        I can’t say anything more for such a comment.
        Reply

        Firstly, you wrote with a mistake, probably Google was to help,
        secondly, it reflects more your level of intelligence
      2. bondrostov
        bondrostov 22 October 2019 02: 38
        0
        Well, obscene obscenities here, in general, it’s still not accepted ..
    4. Horon
      Horon 21 October 2019 22: 25
      +3
      Then the appliance can also be used indefinitely, because in the store it was serviceable! But no, for safety reasons, before turning it on, you should always check for external damage or inconsistencies. Any complex equipment has a certain set of checks and tests carried out before its use in order to eliminate or reduce the risk of accidents and disasters associated with its use in a faulty condition.
  8. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 October 2019 15: 05
    +5
    Well, a little better than Vedomosti gave. An abnormal situation had a place to be, they simply revealed it before launch. But the fact that the MoD at the same time declares successful exercises ... Wow, nonsense
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 21 October 2019 15: 07
      -2
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      But the fact that the MoD at the same time declares successful exercises ... Wow, nonsense

      they are in fact successful (nothing terrible happened in Ryazan)
      one BUT - if something did not happen and with the "mace" (cancellation of the declared launch)
      1. The popuas
        The popuas 21 October 2019 15: 19
        -12
        Nothing wrong!? This is a doctrine, of a nuclear triad, when you knead, it’s okay, it will cost dearly, go on farther.
        1. Fizik M
          Fizik M 21 October 2019 15: 24
          -1
          Quote: Popuas
          Nothing wrong!? These are exercises of the nuclear triad

          drink some water ...
          1. The popuas
            The popuas 21 October 2019 15: 26
            -10
            Negative Physicist laughing minus .... well done
            1. Crash
              Crash 21 October 2019 15: 28
              -14
              Grace joke good
            2. bayard
              bayard 21 October 2019 16: 21
              +3
              Quote: Fizik M
              drink some water ...

              Quote: Popuas
              minus .... well done

              Then shoot yourself sir with grief request
              R-29R missiles are old, with an expiring life. The launches were (including) test ones - to check the combat readiness and extend the service life. New missiles are being built and replaced by new ones (up to 200 ordered). So there is no catastrophe - the launch was made, the malfunction was detected in a timely manner, the problem was stopped, there is something to replace the defective rocket / rockets with.
              1. ALEKSANDR kUTS
                ALEKSANDR kUTS 21 October 2019 22: 21
                +2
                And why make new missiles for the ship that will be written off soon? It will not be cheaper to refuel, huh? Well, unless of course the launch made does not allow extending the period for a while by the missiles of this series.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 22 October 2019 00: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                  And why make new missiles for the ship that will be written off soon?

                  So apparently more ships will serve, otherwise they would not have started. In the 90s - the beginning of the XNUMXs, they more and more roamed at the berths, in the so-called "DB at the pier", apparently the resource allows you to extend the service. In the so-called bastions.
        2. bondrostov
          bondrostov 21 October 2019 15: 55
          +3
          You do not forget that the oldest ICBMs are used as a rule in exercises, and I think that they are much stricter on those that are equipped with nuclear weapons
          1. ALEKSANDR kUTS
            ALEKSANDR kUTS 21 October 2019 22: 25
            +3
            I will reveal a terrible secret, as a rule, they do not change the rocket itself, they take off their vigorous head and put on "practice", even the instrument panel is left the one that was. Well, otherwise what kind of readiness check is this, if you also prepare a rocket as a special type? Like this.
        3. yaros
          yaros 21 October 2019 20: 16
          +2
          Listen and calm down during the USSR, there were dozens of such missile launch cases, and even worse, the most terrible accidents certainly came up with rumors, nobody just chatted about it, in fact, this is information related to the category of chipboard, I completely suspect that there was a special throw from the Ministry of Defense. That's why they are exercises to check the systems, and make corrections in time ... well done that they reacted, if we assume that this is true, and did not allow an emergency ...
    2. stalki
      stalki 21 October 2019 15: 13
      +13
      But the fact that the MoD at the same time declares successful exercises ... Wow, nonsense
      And how were they unsuccessful? Everywhere and everywhere in any army in the world during exercises, shortcomings, technical shortcomings, all kinds of failures are revealed. Where is not success then? I would be in solidarity with you if everything was below the baseboard. And here we can say the statistical error, as everywhere, like everyone else.
    3. Horon
      Horon 21 October 2019 22: 31
      +1
      The percentage of technical failures is always taken into account. Perhaps this possible refusal was embedded in the teachings.
  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 21 October 2019 15: 20
    +5
    It happens . I think such situations have happened and are happening not only with us. The main thing is that testing the systems before starting (or whatever it is called) promptly revealed a malfunction.
    1. bondrostov
      bondrostov 21 October 2019 16: 02
      +1
      The funny thing is that with all the "freedom of speech in the usa" type, if only someone there blabbed about such a situation on their apl would already be sitting in guantanomo
  10. huntsman650
    huntsman650 21 October 2019 15: 32
    0
    Always cook several products, with a margin for firing)))
  11. Old26
    Old26 21 October 2019 15: 42
    +7
    Quote: stalki
    And how were they unsuccessful?

    Andrey from Chelyabinsk basically wrote. There is an exercise plan. Which is stated by a high-ranking representative of the Ministry of Defense. The exercise plans provided for the launch of 2 R-29RKU (SS-N-18) missiles and 1 R-29RMU (SS-N-23) missile. And if, as a result, the launch of one does not take place, then to say that the exercises were successful is already, sorry, slyness. Nobody says that this is an emergency of a universal scale, but the fact that the Ministry of Defense is silent all the way says only one thing. With all their might, they are trying to hide the emergency situation. At the same time, an excuse like "and we were not going to let the second one, the main thing is quality, not quantity" - does not stand up to criticism. Then it would be necessary in the best traditions of the past in general DO NOT SAY ANYTHING ... When only 100% of 75% of strategic launches have been completed, this does not mean that everything went well. Or is it necessary to once again "gloss over" the eyes, saying that everything is fine?
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 21 October 2019 16: 15
      0
      In fairness, it should be noted about the not very high secrecy and, in general, the combat capabilities of the 667BDR project in light of its moral and physical obsolescence. The Pacific Fleet consists of Ryazan and two Boreevs (Alexander Nevsky and Vladimir Monomakh). When the third Borey-A arrives, Ryazan will be decommissioned, as well as the similar Podolsk and Georgy Pobedonosets recently sent for disposal, which fired SLBMs in 2015 and 2016, respectively.
      1. ALEKSANDR kUTS
        ALEKSANDR kUTS 21 October 2019 22: 38
        +1
        I was always surprised by people who are trying to make serious judgments based on what they read on the Internet). Why did you decide that the BDR type does not have high combat capabilities and not very high stealth? Do you even understand what this stealth and combat capabilities are made up of? Did they depart a lot into the seas on the BDR? Of course, physically, they are already tired, but the moral obsolescence of the BDR from the BDRM is how much and in what, you can say, just hinted.
        1. Fizik M
          Fizik M 23 October 2019 11: 44
          -1
          Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
          Why did you decide that the BDR type does not have high combat capabilities and not very high stealth? Do you even understand from what this very secretiveness and combat capabilities add up to? Did they retreat a lot to the seas on the BDR? Of course, physically, they are already tired, but the moral obsolescence of the BDR from the BDRM is how much and in what, you can say, just hinted.

          Sorry, but in what status were you on them?
          given that in the category TARGETS BDRs were still in distant 80x
          and this was well known to all SPECIAL submariners
          1. ALEKSANDR kUTS
            ALEKSANDR kUTS 24 October 2019 01: 33
            +1
            First: who are the SPECIAL divers?)
            Secondly: in those very 80s we didn’t even have five autonomy, and we must not have been fouled by adversaries even once, yes.
            Yes, about the targets, as always, as a rule, BDRs with RTMs went to torpedo firing on submarines, RTMs for us, we for RTMs ..... what is the target category?
            There are, of course, people who are more plentiful than me, but tell me about what kind of "target categories" are there, ask about some kind of "status")), ..... in our fleet they are not in statuses, but in POSITIONS they serve.
            And at sea I was taken to the submarine for the first time when I was 16 more. I really wanted to see and try. On one of the submarines, pr. 641, commanded by Golovan Alexander Ivanovich, a glorious 182 separate submarine brigade, which was based in Bichevinka. For the task, mine production was carried out. And before that, I spent almost all my free time on 629 ave., And what is the B-64 and why 64 knew in the first grade, as well as much more. And since the commanders were frequent guests with their parents, I saw pictures of New York, aircraft carriers and other spruces made through the periscope back then, and I remember the stories of these people, I was brought up in this environment, among the submariners.
            This is what I mean) - I'm talking about "status", engineer))
            1. Fizik M
              Fizik M 24 October 2019 12: 15
              0
              Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
              First: who are the SPECIAL divers?)

              for example, good contact experience and successful INDEPENDENT IPL search
              Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
              Secondly: in those very 80s we didn’t even have five autonomy, and we must not have been fouled by adversaries even once, yes.

              and here is it already either your incompetence or just LIES
              taking into account the PERMANENT presence in the bay of at least one (usually two) submarine - this is 100% lies
              I did not serve in the 80s, but I read very carefully the complex document on contacts 45 and 10 DPL, and the "anti-submarine training" of the 25th division there was simply devastating criticism
              Of course, there are people who are more experienced than me, but tell me about the "target categories"

              From the point of view of the General Staff, it was a protected area, because it seemed that it allowed deploying anti-submarine defense forces in the shortest possible time, but from the point of view of the secrecy of the PKK SN .. this is an open and very favorable area that allows for long and covert tracking of our ships over long distances ...
              Our command and we, as we were taught and driven into the head, believed that the PKK CH was invulnerable .... Unique tracking experience, completely new ways of checking the absence of tracking of our missile carriers, which, unfortunately, didn’t interest anyone, either because of employment, either did not believe or did not want to recognize the low secrecy of the PKK SN in the “protected” areas
              x ... - wrote Rear Admiral V.Ya.Dudko, one of the most successful submariners of the USSR Navy, who successfully discovered the Ohio SSBN and frustrated its first deployment in 1982.
              Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
              On one of the submarines, pr. 641, commanded by Alexander Golovan, the glorious 182 of a separate brigade of submarines

              don’t explain why under Golovan his B-101 ceased to shoot (successfully) torpedoes from the TU (what she had successfully done before)
              you can not work, the reason (real) I already know
              1. ALEKSANDR kUTS
                ALEKSANDR kUTS 24 October 2019 18: 19
                0
                Every gopher in the field is an agronomist, yes)
                Well, you are competent in everything)), like I myself did not participate, but I read a lot about it ....
                1. Fizik M
                  Fizik M 24 October 2019 18: 37
                  0
                  Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                  Well, then you are competent in everything)

                  I didn't say that
                  Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                  like I didn’t participate,

                  these are YOUR fantasies
                  I participated, including experience of INDEPENDENT IPL search (KPL (my first SPK) to sleep, I have free maneuvering in the area with the task of searching for IPL (successfully solved))
                  what is a BDR from the point of view of noise (including its "forest" discrete) I know incl. on Project 170 and 7-1 SAC (personally)
                  1. ALEKSANDR kUTS
                    ALEKSANDR kUTS 24 October 2019 20: 02
                    +1
                    And you read your comments), I did not see a topic where you would not try to show off your competence),
                    So what? Feat adit)), this is your job and you need to be able to do it yourself ......, and by the way, as whom?)
                    From the point of view of noise, the BDR may not be the most low-noise, but who does not make noise) But. The secrecy of the ship, it not only depends on the noise, although of course the factor is important.
                    Woke the commander, well, when the IPL) found? Or, like, I don’t give a damn about the guiding documents, I’m free to maneuver here while the cap is lying down)) Or your commander was up to the stars, will you find someone or not).
                    Actually, a normal commander, if an enemy submarine operates in the area and there is a task to detect it and track it, I strongly doubt that he will leave the GKP and will doze off in his chair. Although ...... by readiness two, someone always independently maneuvers and if this is not a change of commander, but all those admitted to command, then there’s no sleep in the cabin, right?
                    And about discretes, it’s probably better on acoustics forums, there experts are in acoustics. Competent acoustics is important, yes.
                    1. Fizik M
                      Fizik M 24 October 2019 20: 33
                      0
                      Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                      And you read your comments),

                      I wrote them
                      Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                      I did not see a topic where you would not try to show off your competence)

                      envy is a bad feeling
                      Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                      So what? Feat adit)), this is your job and you need to be able to do it yourself ......, and by the way, as whom?)

                      and many who can do this work if the enemy has better acoustics and less noise? - i.e. take contact when the adversary does not enter counter-detection himself, but rather behaves secretly
                      VO (I don’t need to talk about the Navy’s naval command, I was taught this from the first crew, and not only self-control of the submarines, but also ascent, KBRs with the crew, etc.)
                      Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                      Woke the commander, well, when the IPL) found? Or, like, I don’t give a damn about the guiding documents, I’m free to maneuver here while the cap is lying down)) Or your commander was up to the stars, will you find someone or not).

                      once again - this Commander taught me, while still a SEC
                      Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                      In general, a normal commander, if an enemy submarine operates in the area and the task is to detect it and carry out tracking

                      And he worked out the shift, and he needed us to do it ourselves.
                      Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                      acoustics forums, there are experts in acoustics

                      there are no such forums
                      1. ALEKSANDR kUTS
                        ALEKSANDR kUTS 25 October 2019 00: 33
                        0
                        Yes, in bulk of such people, well, yes, to pass on to the submarine on the go it deserves respect, but you are not the only one of this type exceptional).
                        When I talked about guidance documents, I did not mean at all KU.
                        KBR composition of the watch), did you even understand what you said then?)
                        CBD, he is also in Africa CBD)), but the fact that the composition of the combat shift must be able to solve the tasks of the CBD, well, this is also normal, there is nothing arch-exclusive. Well, otherwise why on the ship three combat shifts, right? But, here it is the CBD that is always the only one ready. I won’t remind you when the readiness announcement is announced, nor will I remind anyone who can do this on the submarine ......., otherwise I’m all, yes I am. You need to be more modest, because there may be people who understand what is at stake)
                      2. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 25 October 2019 12: 17
                        0
                        Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                        KBR composition of the watch), did you even understand what you said then?)

                        once again - I participated in this
                        both "full" and "watch staff"
                        and it was a training SYSTEM in my first crew
                        Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                        You need to be more modest, because there may be people who understand what is at stake)

                        YOU were caught lying here (about the alleged "secrecy" of the BDR)
                      3. ALEKSANDR kUTS
                        ALEKSANDR kUTS 25 October 2019 23: 07
                        -1
                        So this is a training system in almost any carriage.)
                        With the exception of the CBD (R), it may be on strategists, because there are special specifics and actions that, for well-known reasons, the commander cannot (has no right) delegate to anyone. Without his personal presence.
                        Well, if you were a member of the KBR, you didn’t take part (they participate in the performances))), well, it’s spelled out in the document that defines the KBR, right? And you are not an acoustics, as you said yourself, then you are either a miner or a navigator) For the holds, managers and turbinists with electricians in the CBD there is no place. Oh, really a calculator)))))))? participant))))
                        What a lie?)), Who caught?
                        Guy, it is not flyers, not tankers who will read our chatter, but our fellow tribesmen on the submarine and your screaming ignorance of the fundamental governing documents, this is "personally participated in the KBR" (and how else, in absentia tunnels))? ) Well, they will laugh.
                        Everything written by you, of course, gives reason to believe that you were on watch at the emergency room, but was it not on the logbook? People who know will understand what I mean, right? And for those who don’t know, it’s a long and tedious way to explain who is keeping a watch on a magazine). And at the same time, it will allow you how to save face, in front of the rest of the audience vividly interested in the fleet, boats, etc.
                        Good luck, "a successful, independent anti-submarine operator, a participant in the KBR personally, as well as as part of a watch")))))))))))))
                      4. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 26 October 2019 10: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                        So this is a training system in almost any carriage.)

                        Have the Navy been opened long ago?
                        duties of the VO "to maintain the assigned course and speed"
                        a bit of a problem
                        http://shturman-tof.ru/Life/LIfe_3/Life_3_14yarkin.html
                        https://www.vpk-news.ru/articles/3699
                        Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                        Well, if you were a member of the KBR, you didn’t take part (they participate in the performances))), well, it’s spelled out in the document that defines the KBR

                        CHUDO, I will disappoint you - on the 3 generation, the miner is in the CPU and is a direct participant in the CBD
                        Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                        Oh, really a calculator)))))))?

                        But where is such contempt for calculators?
                        there very, very smart men were
                        Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                        Guy, it is not flyers, not tankers who will read our chatter, but our fellow tribesmen on the submarine and your screaming ignorance of the fundamental governing documents, this is "personally participated in the KBR" (and how else, in absentia tunnels))? ) Well, they will laugh.

                        clown from your "tearing a vest" for "secrecy" (in quotes) BDR they already laugh (those present on the forum), you made a mistake with the "VVMU address", and instead of "Lenkom" you needed "to Kiev" (to "shut your mouth - materiel in original ")
                        laughing
                      5. ALEKSANDR kUTS
                        ALEKSANDR kUTS 26 October 2019 12: 18
                        -1
                        good-for-nothing, miner (comm. BC-3), he is included in the KBR for all generations, although he may not be at all at the GKP on "readiness time".
                        Successful, they are in the command post in the command post, and you are like an unrecognized "genius of anti-submarine battle", right?))
                        In general, I'm tired of you, a young braggart, "independent" and "successful")).
                      6. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 26 October 2019 21: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                        they are on the helm in the commander’s chair

                        who is this bababolet? stupid JACOB SEPECA booooo lol
                      7. ALEKSANDR kUTS
                        ALEKSANDR kUTS 26 October 2019 12: 54
                        -1
                        There, in one of the articles, according to your links, which the former commander of the "loaf" wrote there is the word "secrecy" in context. Well, he hints that it is still possible to leave the base secretly. He's probably lying too, right?))
                      8. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 26 October 2019 21: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                        There, in one of the articles, according to your links, which the former commander of the "loaf" wrote there is the word "secrecy" in context. Well, he hints that it is still possible to leave the base secretly. He's probably lying too, right?))

                        those. give a specific link YOU are "not Shmogli" wink
                        and as for the "recent" times - the PERMANENT PLA patrol in Avacha was removed by the Americans (although sometimes they overtake RPLS up to SGAR there, - I personally observed it against the background of the lights of Petropavlovsk)
                      9. ALEKSANDR kUTS
                        ALEKSANDR kUTS 26 October 2019 13: 09
                        -1
                        Oh, well, nothing of you, young goats, life does not teach))
                        Successful they are on the GKP ships!
                        And other unrecognized "geniuses of anti-submarine warfare", rummage through all sorts of forums, talking about their imaginary "success")))
                        It’s a boastful miner, well, you already knew Schaub), a miner (comm. BC-3), he is a part of the KBR for all generations, you know, for everyone. Although it may not be at all, it is on the Emergency Response Commission at the ready time.
                        Did I mention I'm tired of you? Well, what are you, don’t you even understand hints?
                      10. Fizik M
                        Fizik M 26 October 2019 21: 21
                        +1
                        Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
                        It’s a boastful miner, well, you already knew Schaub), a miner (comm. BC-3), he is a part of the KBR for all generations, you know, for everyone. Although it may not be at all, it is on the Emergency Response Commission at the ready time.

                        1. YOU have shown themselves BRAKH - exhaustively
                        2. I do not mean "onshore" (in the training center) KBRs, but as for shipborne ones, being in the 1st compartment of the KBCh-3, in fact, is only "listed" in the KBR - stupidly "working out commands"
    2. stalki
      stalki 21 October 2019 22: 53
      -1
      When only 100% of 75% of strategic launches have been completed, this does not mean that everything went well. Or is it necessary to once again "gloss over" the eyes, saying that everything is fine?
      What 75, where did you get this figure, an official source please? You were there? If so, then you have broken the "lunch of silence", if not, what you claim. I see everyone knows everything, one MO is not vkurse.
  12. Grits
    Grits 21 October 2019 15: 44
    +4
    It’s nice to see the remote control of the system in the photo in the CPU, which I have been setting up and adjusting for almost 10 years. Eh ... youth.
  13. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 October 2019 15: 55
    +2
    contingency - A situation in which the process or condition of the equipment goes beyond the normal functioning and may lead to an accident.

    This time, Vedomosti stated that one of the R-29R intercontinental ballistic missiles did not come out when firing from the board of the Ryazan submarine.
    Incompetence, gentlemen of the newspaper. A missile may not come out only when it is fired, and if the launch is canceled, then the situation is also abnormal, because the training plans have changed.
    The material claims that the K-44 Ryazan nuclear submarine (project 667BDR Kalmar) was supposed to carry out two launches of this type of ICBMs, however, one of the missiles allegedly did not leave the silo launcher.
    Two launches were planned, then rockets and loaded. Before starting, the product and its starting circuits are checked. The check showed an abnormal situation in the chains of one rocket, its launch was canceled.
    The Ministry of Defense stated that it was decided not to use the missile consciously, “after evaluating the information about its technical condition”. This information, as stated, was obtained before launch. As a result of this, the commander decided not to use the rocket.
    Everything is correct, but the failure of the plan of the exercises, this is not all OK, conclusions will be drawn, the stellar fall is ensured.
  14. Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 October 2019 15: 59
    +2
    Representatives of the second oldest in their repertoire. Magazines in one word.
  15. Potato
    Potato 21 October 2019 16: 06
    -6
    A rotten rocket was loaded in advance. Before starting, the spirit went strong. All clear. We part, boys ...

    Vedomosti Respect. Informing the boys.
  16. Livonetc
    Livonetc 21 October 2019 16: 06
    +2
    Quote: Crash
    What a miserable excuse I am ...

    So what you are.
    Do not take to heart.
    In Russia, such people have always been treated with pity.
  17. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 21 October 2019 16: 07
    +2
    Yes, the main message of this news is the opportunity in the media to put flashy headlines like: "Abnormal situation in the exercises led by Putin" !!!!!
    1. ALEKSANDR kUTS
      ALEKSANDR kUTS 21 October 2019 22: 50
      +2
      And Putin did not check what starts there, he checked the combat control system and the system of passing teams ....... Everything else is Shoigu and his type comrades)
  18. askort154
    askort154 21 October 2019 16: 09
    +11
    The task of the exercises is to develop interactions between various branches of the armed forces.
    Expensive and "fresh" weapons are used to a limited extent, mainly with a small residual resource. Therefore, the delayed launch of a rocket from Ryazan is not a "failure" of the exercises, as many, including Vedomosti, have been promoting.
    For the Ministry of Defense, this is not a problem about which one has to "cry into the vest" ahead of "statements".
    "Fresh" weapons are used mainly at test sites during testing and modernization. In Syria, they used mainly "deposits", and along the way tested new species and samples. As Shoigu stated, in Syria, we tested more than 300 types of new types of weapons and military equipment.
    Calm down "vsepapalschiki" and use your "arguments" as intended, when you first go to the toilet. yes
  19. Lapunevsky
    Lapunevsky 21 October 2019 16: 30
    +1
    The commander made the right decision. And there are technical failures, and not only in Russia. Normal situation. The main thing is that the commission will draw conclusions, correct, and improve control.
  20. ender
    ender 21 October 2019 17: 17
    -3
    generally:
    - Why didn’t they shoot?
    - Why, why .. Yes, I didn’t really want to. But if the war - then we will defeat everyone.

    of course, in a similar situation "with them", the comments will be exactly the opposite
  21. Strashila
    Strashila 21 October 2019 18: 16
    +4
    One of the principles of rocket science, a rocket must be controllable at all stages. Test failed, no start. Standard preparation procedure.
    On the basis of check, reveal not serviceability. Check the whole batch.
    It is important to check why the missile passed the tests when it was handed over from storage, it is the same on the boat during acceptance, and there isn’t anything before launch, which happened and affected.
  22. mik193
    mik193 21 October 2019 18: 59
    +7
    Our democratic press is a bunch of dumb freaks looking for a sensation or fried facts on any piece of shit. Rpk CH project 667 BDR - the most reliable, albeit old, combat vehicle. Before firing conducted checks (PKK) - the rocket did not pass them - do not include in the volley. The same during prelaunch - the missile is expelled from the salvo, but automatically. The exclusion and inclusion in the salvo can also be carried out by decision of the submarine commander. Even if the rocket is faulty, the prelaunch and launch program will automatically exclude it from the salvo. There is no contingency there. Magazines, think head off before writing!
    PS For all its many shortcomings, it is believed that project 667 loves its crews and protects them ....
    1. Nirag013
      Nirag013 21 October 2019 19: 54
      +6
      Of course, I’ve never been a sailor, much less a submariner. But with some equipment in life he had to deal with it. Therefore, just like you, I think that nothing terrible happened - prelaunch control of the rocket went, which showed some problems. Start canceled. Purely technical procedure. A competent TECHNICAL commission will be dealt with. After all, all these commentators, all-scribblers, I suppose, themselves do not use a faulty computer or household appliances? And here, after all, a rocket, not a pressure cooker!
    2. Fizik M
      Fizik M 26 October 2019 10: 23
      +1
      Quote: mik193
      For all its many shortcomings, it is generally accepted that the 667 project loves its crews and protects them ....

      I agree, with one thing but ... taking into account the "specifics of tasks" and the service life of the boats, they tried to "not dive deeply"
  23. mik193
    mik193 21 October 2019 19: 12
    +1
    Yes, sorry, I forgot. For practical shooting, a missile is assigned, the shelf life of which has already come out. Do not blame her, she shoots. what is left ....
    1. ALEKSANDR kUTS
      ALEKSANDR kUTS 21 October 2019 22: 45
      0
      I bet not always.)
      1. Fizik M
        Fizik M 26 October 2019 10: 21
        +1
        Quote: ALEKSANDR KUTS
        I bet not always.)

        already quarreled
        the entire BC BDRov long ago "with extensions"
  24. maden.usmanow
    maden.usmanow 21 October 2019 21: 53
    -3
    It's time to remember how the comments laughed at the incomplete volley of "Ohio"
  25. oracul
    oracul 22 October 2019 06: 18
    +1
    I wonder where, who and when announced the launch of two missiles? As far as I understand, this is classified information, even for the participants in the exercises. And what does the media have to do with it, and even more so, "vedomosti"!
  26. gafarovsafar
    gafarovsafar 22 October 2019 07: 45
    +1
    Yes, for this motley amersa, you need one single missile to make it all go somersault.
  27. Ironclad
    Ironclad 22 October 2019 11: 30
    0
    It’s not at all clear how some newspaper managed to find out about such facts on an atomic missile carrier. This is a more important question.
  28. vadi64
    vadi64 22 October 2019 15: 10
    -1
    Quote: Spartanez300
    The main thing for the media is to inflate some news, but whether it is true or not does not matter

    I’ll clarify: liberal media, as if on command fellow
  29. Oleg133
    Oleg133 22 October 2019 18: 22
    0
    Quote: maxim947
    If someone blabbed from the MO, then the relevant authorities should work hard.

    Do not
    The commander made a decision. Now we need to make out the situation so that there are no failures. And all business. Silence does not help correct
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