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Vedomosti announces an emergency situation with ICBMs during the Thunder-2019 exercises

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The Vedomosti newspaper published material stating that during the recent Thunder-2019 exercises, an abnormal situation arose. At the same time, representatives of the publication say that “two people close to the Ministry of Defense” shared such information with them. It should be noted that earlier the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation already had a certain kind of complaint against the editorial office of Vedomosti, which publishes unverified information with reference to unnamed sources.


Vedomosti announces an emergency situation with ICBMs during the Thunder-2019 exercises


This time, Vedomosti stated that one of the P-29P intercontinental ballistic missiles did not come out when firing from the board of the Ryazan submarine. The material claims that the K-44 Ryazan nuclear submarine (project 667BDR Kalmar) was supposed to carry out two launches of this type of ICBM, however, one of the missiles allegedly did not leave the silo launcher.

R-29P - one of the modifications of the liquid two-stage rockets R-29. ICBM R-29 were adopted in the 1974 year.

At the moment, the main defense department of the Russian Federation does not comment on the publication in the newspaper "Vedomosti" about the "contingency" that arose during the Thunder-2019 exercises. The material of this publication notes that the Ministry of Defense did not answer the question of the publication regarding the “absenteeism of ICBM R-29P”.

In the meantime, it is added that the Ryazan submarine has returned to its permanent base with an “unshooted intercontinental ballistic missile”.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 21 October 2019 09: 48
    +7
    This time in "Vedomosti"Stated that one of the P-29P intercontinental ballistic missiles did not come out while firing from the board of the Ryazan submarine.

    rain, echo, jellyfish, statements .... bully ... why not in "Garden and Vegetable Garden"? bully
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 21 October 2019 10: 01
      +18
      . and what not in "Garden and Vegetable Garden"?

      Because from the MO, the information goes to the magazine "Pchelovodstvo", which is an "unnamed source", concurrently laughing
    2. kjhg
      kjhg 21 October 2019 10: 01
      +18
      Quote: aszzz888
      why not in "Garden and Vegetable Garden

      Do you prefer to read only the Russian newspaper and watch the Russia-1 channel? Sensible people draw information from various sources and, based on its analysis, draw conclusions.
      Ryazan is the last representative of the strategic nuclear-powered ships of this project. In the coming years, it will also be written off in connection with the development of the resource. An abnormal situation could well have happened on such an old boat. I mean, do not immediately discard the possibility of this situation. In a couple of days, everything should be clear.
      1. Andrey Chistyakov
        Andrey Chistyakov 21 October 2019 10: 09
        +17
        Have you not heard for an hour the statements of domestic "human rights activists" on the actions of the police in Catalonia?
        1. 210ox
          210ox 21 October 2019 13: 00
          +4
          No "self-respecting editorial staff" will publish unpaid material ..
          1. Fizik M
            Fizik M 21 October 2019 14: 54
            0
            Quote: 210ox
            No "self-respecting editorial staff" will publish unpaid material ..

            no need to assume your "principles" (or rather the absence of those) on the rest
      2. aszzz888
        aszzz888 21 October 2019 10: 09
        +4
        kjhg (Gargantua) Today, 10: 01 NEW
        0
        Quote: aszzz888
        why not in "Garden and Vegetable Garden

        Do you prefer to read only the Russian newspaper and watch the Russia-1 channel?

        Why so categorically? It’s painfully narrow)) the framework left me with my post bully .
        Sane people draw information from various sources and, based on it анализаdraw conclusions.

        "Scoop" on your health. When doing the "tests", try not to stain the sofa with jam. hi
        1. kjhg
          kjhg 21 October 2019 13: 32
          +1
          Quote: aszzz888
          Why so categorically? It’s painfully narrow)) the framework left me with my post

          Do you really think that on Channel One, NTV and other TVCs, they show alternative information from Russia-1?
          Quote: aszzz888

          "Scoop" on your health. When doing the "tests", try not to stain the sofa with jam

          Hamit will not answer. I do not want to get dirty.
          1. ALLxANDr
            ALLxANDr 22 October 2019 08: 20
            -1
            Do you really think that on Channel One, NTV and other TVCs, they show alternative information from Russia-1?

            I would be more careful with alternative sources. There is already an alternative story, an alternative religion, an alternative mathematics, alternative news was still lacking.

            Remember dear, there is only one news, but there are already many comments on this news! And all the media absolutely are engaged in commenting on this news))) The very news is that the submarine fired 1 rocket. All. dot.
      3. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 21 October 2019 10: 33
        +2
        Unverified information from unconfirmed sources from unknown people!

        Again fake news)))

        All calendars lie (c)
        1. Chit
          Chit 21 October 2019 11: 14
          +7
          Read only summaries of the RF Ministry of Defense. Who is stopping you from doing this?
        2. kjhg
          kjhg 21 October 2019 13: 39
          +2
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          Unverified information from unconfirmed sources from unknown people!

          Again fake news)))

          All calendars lie (c)

          Here is the confirmation from the Ministry of Defense followed:“Having assessed the information about the technical condition of one of the Ryazan submarine rockets, obtained immediately before launch, it was decided not to use it in a training strike. The cancellation of the launch of this missile did not affect the successful results of the SKOM “Thunder” in any way, the Defense Ministry said in a statement. Supporters of only official news can stop tearing shirts on themselves. Particularly distrustful may wait for tomorrow's release of the Russian newspaper or confirmation from Vecherny-M lol
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 21 October 2019 14: 49
            -1
            So decided not to use, or abnormal launch?
            This is how easy it is to guess completely different things.
            1. kjhg
              kjhg 21 October 2019 14: 59
              -3
              Quote: Mestny
              So we decided not to use

              Decided not to engage in this connection? In connection with the problems discovered before the start.
              Quote: Mestny
              abnormal start-up?

              This is the start failureyes even according to official figures. And according to unofficial ... well, you generally know.
        3. Fizik M
          Fizik M 21 October 2019 14: 54
          -1
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          Unverified information from unconfirmed sources from unknown people
          Again fake news)))


          Defense Ministry has actually confirmed
      4. sir.jonn
        sir.jonn 21 October 2019 10: 33
        +14
        Quote: kjhg
        An abnormal situation could well have happened on such an old boat. I mean, do not immediately discard the possibility of this situation.

        An abnormal situation can happen on a new ship with the same probability as on the old one, but the rumors issued by the yellow press are just rumors.
        1. Crash
          Crash 21 October 2019 12: 13
          -2
          But why then, the news of the yellow press of Western sources, is here perceived as truth in the first instance?
      5. Serg koma
        Serg koma 21 October 2019 12: 17
        +4
        Quote: kjhg
        Sane people

        representatives of the publication declare that such information with them shared "two people, close to the Ministry of Defense "

        1. As a sane person, the phrase "shared by those close to the MO" does not bother you? "Close to MO" - a janitor from the street. Znamenka, how close to MO? And how much does the information from him correspond to reality?
        2. There was an abnormal situation, or it was not - there is no documentary / official confirmation, therefore - other information (from "unnamed sources") is called "GOALS" or "RUMORS"

        PS
        HEARING - a specific type of interpersonal communication, in the process of which the plot, to a certain extent reflecting some real or fictional eventsbecomes the property of a vast diffuse audience ....
        Big psychological encyclopedia
        Gossip - w. 1. Hearing, news of someone or something, based on inaccurate or knowingly false, false information. 2. Distribution of such rumors, news; gossip. ... The modern explanatory dictionary of the Russian language Efremova
        1. Yves762
          Yves762 21 October 2019 13: 30
          +2
          Quote: Serg Koma
          “As a sane person, the phrase“ those close to the Moscow region shared ”does not bother you? ... the janitor from Znamenka street, how close is it to the Moscow region?

          Well, actually, sometimes it is the "janitor" who can know the "ob" much better than the "official sources" - here according to the situation...


          Quote: Serg Koma
          ... there is no documentary / official confirmation, therefore - other information (from "unnamed sources") is called "Rumors" or "RUMORS"

          what Do you know how it does it generally go that "documentation" (so to speak) is "the ultimate truth"? what - a topic very rich for disputes / doubts ... laughing
        2. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 21 October 2019 14: 55
          +3
          Dear Serg Koma. Your untruth. The wipers of the Ministry of Defense are by far the closest sources to the Ministry of Defense. For a moderate fee, they will be happy to share their information with any correspondent.
      6. ALLxANDr
        ALLxANDr 22 October 2019 08: 07
        -1
        Sensible people, if they read the liberal-minded press, at least give an account of this. And referring to her comments on the news is not even worth getting dirty. You still refer to the businessman and Novaya Gazeta)))
    3. Maz
      Maz 21 October 2019 12: 17
      +3
      The Israeli media are already embittered that the Russian military supposedly blundered before Putin during the triad’s test. And for me, they revealed those imperfections and shortcomings. And with a real start-up, everything will come out of the mine and fly off where necessary and get where necessary. That's what the teachings
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 21 October 2019 14: 50
        0
        One such rocket is enough for the Israeli media.
        One will fly anyway.
      2. Fizik M
        Fizik M 21 October 2019 14: 56
        0
        Quote: Maz
        The Israeli media are already angry that the Russian military supposedly blundered before Putin during the triad’s test

        nahai jump
        nothing terrible happened on "Ryazan" - the boat, to put it mildly, is not very new, but it works, shoots and hits

        but the fact that the advance launch of the Bulava was "lost" is really very bad and leads to bad thoughts
    4. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 21 October 2019 14: 49
      +1
      Some still refer to "Sportloto News", those unnamed sources close to the office of the Lord God have more than enough.
    5. Fizik M
      Fizik M 21 October 2019 14: 53
      -3
      Quote: aszzz888
      statements.

      in fact, Vedomosti is quite a decent media outlet
  2. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 21 October 2019 09: 57
    +6
    “two people close to the Ministry of Defense” shared information with them.
    Oh, these "close" to everything "sources" and reprint them "caring citizens" ..
    1. Andrey Chistyakov
      Andrey Chistyakov 21 October 2019 10: 05
      +2
      Their favorite saying in the 90s
      "According to sources from the Kremlin, trustworthy"
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 21 October 2019 10: 10
        +4
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        Their favorite saying in the 90s
        "According to sources from the Kremlin, trustworthy"

        Nooo .. those now say "according to sources close to the presidential administration." These others .. they are from a different entrance, they even have different benches ... Henceforth, I ask you not to be confused .. laughing
        1. Andrey Chistyakov
          Andrey Chistyakov 21 October 2019 10: 11
          -1
          To blame. I will be corrected.
      2. Amurets
        Amurets 21 October 2019 11: 39
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        Their favorite saying in the 90s
        "According to sources from the Kremlin, trustworthy"

        Agency "OBS." Absolutely honest sources, with a murky past, sit on the heap and suck the news out of their fingers.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 21 October 2019 14: 05
          -3
          And how much here in the discussion howled slender choir about the next # putinsl.
          It is for this that such messages are made.
    2. freejack
      freejack 21 October 2019 10: 23
      +1
      Oh, these "close" to everything "sources"

      Even if these "close to everyone and everything" are right ... then ....
      For this, teachings are being made to reveal where it is subtle ... hi
      PS statements - beee ...! negative
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 October 2019 09: 59
    +7
    Of course, Vedomosti knows everything better than the General Staff. And all Russian weapons are rusty and useless, and in general, we urgently need to disarm and repent, repent ... No matter what, the main thing is diligently, and on your knees! wassat
    1. NordOst16
      NordOst16 21 October 2019 10: 06
      -8
      It’s been a matter of doctors for a long time that the General Staff and the government never lie and always report situations that threaten the health and lives of citizens.
      And Russian weapons are the best in the world, the army and navy are the strongest in the world. And in general it is not clear why the Americans still rock the boat before such a qualitative and quantitative superiority of the RF Armed Forces.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 21 October 2019 14: 04
        -3
        What, enviously?
        So far, the number of lies from your liberal media is 10 orders of magnitude greater than the same from the Russian Defense Ministry.
        So even according to the law of probability your lie 99%. And taking into account the information war - that’s all 100.
        1. NordOst16
          NordOst16 21 October 2019 19: 20
          0
          Well, we are learning from the government of the Russian Federation. Tomics from the promise of the president from his very first term will study)))
    2. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 21 October 2019 11: 35
      0
      There is a rule to check the accuracy of the information you need to try to find three independent sources, with a high degree of reliability, the information can be considered correct.
      1. bk316
        bk316 21 October 2019 11: 52
        +5
        three not dependent

        And how to determine their independence? Today everyone is retyping each other, forgetting to indicate the real source.
    3. Fizik M
      Fizik M 21 October 2019 14: 57
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Of course, Vedomosti knows everything better than the General Staff. And all Russian weapons are rusty and useless, and in general, we urgently need to disarm and repent, repent ... No matter what, the main thing is diligently, and on your knees!

      before breaking the "Olginsky trampoline" see the response publication of the RF Ministry of Defense (where they actually CONFIRMED Vedomosti)
  4. Zhan
    Zhan 21 October 2019 10: 02
    +21
    Well, God didn’t come out with her. Investigate, sort it out. They will not award those involved, they will punish those who are not guilty. The main thing in the mine was not pulled by people and mate. Part intact. So the protection worked correctly.
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 21 October 2019 14: 58
      +1
      Quote: Zhan
      Well, God didn’t come out with her. Investigate, sort it out.

      yes, nothing that "terrible" but also serious (taking into account the age of "Ryazan") did not happen
  5. New Year day
    New Year day 21 October 2019 10: 09
    +11
    It is not the first time that information has been leaked through Vedomosti. It was Vedomosti that was the first to report on the exchange between Russia and Ukraine, and everyone attacked it as a source of disinformation. A week passed and the exchange was completed. And how many epithets sounded in her address!
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 21 October 2019 10: 13
      +9
      Quote: Silvestr
      And how many epithets sounded in her address!

      I think, in a day or two, the MO will confirm this, and then you can read those who are right now throwing them on the fan!
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 21 October 2019 14: 02
        -6
        Well, how does it not confirm?
        What will you do then? Jump further?
        1. Crash
          Crash 21 October 2019 14: 10
          +1
          MO has already confirmed, let's make excuses.
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  6. Prisoner
    Prisoner 21 October 2019 10: 15
    +2
    “... this information was shared with them by“ two people close to the Ministry of Defense. ”How close is interesting? winked If these "close" ones do exist, then, given the level of the event and the number of those involved, they will not arrive long as incognito.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 21 October 2019 10: 19
      -1
      Quote: Captive
      How close are you interested?

      two options:
      1. planned discharge
      2. money
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 21 October 2019 14: 01
        -5
        3. The lies of the media (of course for the money).
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 21 October 2019 15: 43
          +6
          Quote: Mestny
          3. The lies of the media (of course for the money).

          Your hard job is to deny the obvious. MO information newspaper confirmed. It’s impossible to deny so much! laughing
  7. Livonetc
    Livonetc 21 October 2019 10: 20
    +5
    With such "close" "partners" is not necessary.
  8. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 21 October 2019 10: 24
    +10
    Failures are always there. And on our and not ours, and on a new and not very technique. This is perfectly acceptable. I don’t know how a warrior knows, but there are targets for failures on the basis of the previous year. And if there is an opportunity to hide, then they always hide.
    1. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 21 October 2019 11: 15
      +9
      The BDR missile is already aged. When was the last one done there? The service life is already approaching the limit. But according to reports, the rocket itself is not to blame, it seems that the complex malfunctioned. In general, the R-29R is somehow less successful than the R-29 or the R-29RM. Either they will tear something off during loading, or the rocket itself will fail, or the complex. I will not say that it is directly constant, but it happened. Often due to the curvature of the personnel. It was inconvenient to overload it due to the peculiarities of the case. But here we must pay tribute to the fact that these boats were at the peak of the Cold War, they served well. Thanks to this rocket, "Sineva" appeared with its modifications, where all the shortcomings were taken into account. BDRs will soon retire, and BDRMs will not have much time left, although their rocket is very successful. An entire era ...
  9. 1536
    1536 21 October 2019 10: 34
    +4
    Our old slogan is truly true: "A chatterbox is a godsend for a spy!"
  10. Alien From
    Alien From 21 October 2019 10: 44
    -6
    Now is the spring of the 45th ..............
  11. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 21 October 2019 10: 47
    +2
    In the video, I clearly saw two exits from the water of the R-29R Rocket. Where the log lamers looked is not clear ...
  12. stels_07
    stels_07 21 October 2019 10: 56
    -2
    Anxious, given that the rocket has long been run in
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 21 October 2019 14: 59
      0
      Quote: stels_07
      Anxious, given that the rocket has long been run in

      the boat is not very new
      is
  13. Lapunevsky
    Lapunevsky 21 October 2019 11: 14
    0
    Do not be surprised if this is true. MO is silent - it means it does not consider it necessary to explain.
  14. Fizik M
    Fizik M 21 October 2019 11: 21
    0
    "and they did not notice the elephant" - I mean MISSING "advanced" launch of "Bulava" during these exercises
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 October 2019 11: 37
    +3
    I will express my personal opinion. Unfortunately, more and more people appear on the site who believe every so-called sneeze. liberal media and absolutely do not perceive a different opinion. They adhere to the principle that I myself have not served in the army and have nothing to do with it, but I know very well what is going on there. Maybe you shouldn't transfer your personal political bias to what is happening in reality on each topic, and not according to information from sources close to .... (insert what you like).
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 21 October 2019 12: 13
      0
      laughing These are all "close" to the MO.
  16. Old26
    Old26 21 October 2019 12: 01
    +7
    Quote: kjhg
    Quote: aszzz888
    why not in "Garden and Vegetable Garden

    Do you prefer to read only the Russian newspaper and watch the Russia-1 channel? Sensible people draw information from various sources and, based on its analysis, draw conclusions.
    Ryazan is the last representative of the strategic nuclear-powered ships of this project. In the coming years, it will also be written off in connection with the development of the resource. An abnormal situation could well have happened on such an old boat. I mean, do not immediately discard the possibility of this situation. In a couple of days, everything should be clear.

    Well, until Comrade Koshenkov informs, it will be a long time to wait. According to the plans of the exercise "Ryazan" was to be fired off by two SLBMs R-29RKU-02 at the "Chizhe". On all videos, incl. and the Ministry of Defense exit from silos of only one missile. True, it was done quite professionally. First, launch from close range, then from afar.
    And sources should be "filtered" absolutely any. You are absolutely right here. With this option of working with information, the maximum is obtained. And if we initially discard all this "Rain", "Echo" and others, we will get officialism, which is often very far from reality.

    Quote: Zhan
    Well, God didn’t come out with her. Investigate, sort it out. They will not award those involved, they will punish those who are not guilty. The main thing in the mine was not pulled by people and mate. Part intact. So the protection worked correctly.

    That which did not come out is nothing supernatural in this. That's what the teachings are. Moreover, when the rocket is old, then everything can be. Now there will be a problem with the extraction of SLBMs from silos

    Quote: Silvestr
    It is not the first time that information has been leaked through Vedomosti. It was Vedomosti that was the first to report on the exchange between Russia and Ukraine, and everyone attacked it as a source of disinformation. A week passed and the exchange was completed. And how many epithets sounded in her address!

    This is the easiest way. Unlink to a source you don't like. All the resources that track "suborbital" launches already have information that one launch from the K-44 Ryazan was successful, and the second was not successful, and we are all waiting for our own Defense Ministry to deign to say. But 5 days have already passed. You can wait a long time. It is silly to draw far-reaching conclusions from an emergency situation with a missile that did not come out of the mine. Specialists will figure out the reasons. But the native MO would have to "wiggle his hooves" so as not to give out information a week after everyone has reported it. As they say - "dear egg for Christ's day" ...

    Quote: Andrey NM
    BDRs will soon retire

    "Ryazan" has already left one of this project. According to EMNIP plans, the disposal is planned either in 2020 or in 2021.

    Quote: Dzafdet
    In the video, I clearly saw two exits from the water of the R-29R Rocket. Where the log lamers looked is not clear ...

    Actually, Sergey, there was only one launch. Just shooting was conducted from two points. First from a distance, then the same launch with a close shot. In previous exercises, the pair started so that it was clear that these were two missiles

    Quote: Fizik M
    "and they did not notice the elephant" - I mean MISSING "advanced" launch of "Bulava" during these exercises

    Maksim! Ilyin DIDN'T ANNOUNCE the "mace". Two RSM-50 (according to NATO classification SS-N-18), one Yars (SS-29) and one Sineva (SS-N-23)
    1. Fizik M
      Fizik M 21 October 2019 15: 00
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Maksim! Ilyin DIDN'T ANNOUNCE the "mace". Two RSM-50 (according to NATO classification SS-N-18), one Yars (SS-29) and one Sineva (SS-N-23)

      MOSCOW, 14 Oct - RIA News. 16 practical launches of cruise and ballistic missiles, including Maces and “Sinevy” will be held during the Thunder-2019 strategic nuclear forces exercises, said the acting head of the Main Directorate for International Military Cooperation of the Russian Ministry of Defense Major General Eugene Ilyin.
  17. Berkut24
    Berkut24 21 October 2019 12: 20
    +1
    In the days of Stalin's grandfather, either the friendly staff of Vedomosti would have been imprisoned for publishing false information, or, if the information is reliable, they would have unleashed the entire chain of leakage from the Ministry of Defense and would have already put some of the people "near the MO" and in the MO itself. In any case, someone would answer.
    But now, democracy. Everyone will rub off and get crushed.
    1. Resistance
      Resistance 21 October 2019 12: 34
      +3
      In the 76th azuha, the 8th BR shot. Shooting was carried out during the exercises of the strategic nuclear forces and missile defense of the USSR. At the Central Committee of the Defense, D.F. Ustinov. Two rockets fell off, went to the cancellation. Everything around is in shock, something will happen ... Dmitry Fedorovich says: well, out of 8 and 6 flew away, everything is like in a war. No consequences.
  18. Vincent
    Vincent 21 October 2019 12: 41
    +2
    Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
    Have you not heard for an hour the statements of domestic "human rights activists" on the actions of the police in Catalonia?

    They are silent like a fish on a pillar. )))
  19. Old26
    Old26 21 October 2019 13: 05
    +4
    Quote: Berkut24
    In the days of Stalin's grandfather, either the friendly staff of Vedomosti would have been imprisoned for publishing false information, or, if the information is reliable, they would have unleashed the entire chain of leakage from the Ministry of Defense and would have already put some of the people "near the MO" and in the MO itself. In any case, someone would answer.
    But now, democracy. Everyone will rub off and get crushed.

    Alexey! It is not worth remembering "Stalin's grandfather" in everything and always. 70 years have passed. The development of information technology has made great strides forward. And what 70 years ago could be considered secret in reality is no longer there. In order to obtain images of a new aircraft during the time of "Stalin's grandfather", in reality, it would be necessary to penetrate the hangar or the airfield at the time of testing and, at the risk of life (for health - that's for sure), photograph the latest aircraft. With the development of satellite technology and radio electronics, all this has become largely a fiction. The same Americans are tracking (as I hope ours) aviation and missile ranges. They use satellites for various purposes in order to obtain an image of our very latest aircraft. And dozens of other ways. Moreover, to identify new equipment, they even have specially introduced time indices. Specifically, an index starting with RAM means products that were recorded in Ramenskoye. Over time, a very accurate "portrait" of the product is obtained.

    In the same way, with the situation with the launch of missiles during exercises (or not launch). Such a huge number of personnel are involved in it that it is simply impossible to hide an emergency situation, in particular, not leaving the rocket from the mine. And there is no deliberate, criminal context.
    But the virus of "secrecy" sits in us so deeply that it will take several generations until we get rid of it and stop in every information that we habitually continue to consider secret to see someone's malicious intent

    And the work of the media is precisely the first to convey information to the consumer. And when our Defense Ministry, after five days, continues to remain silent, as if typing in a mouth of water about an almost ordinary case, it only says that some people consider giving such information to people below their own dignity
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        1. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 22 October 2019 06: 39
          +1
          Hi Rudolph. Each product must be checked at the base before loading. On the ship, before loading, everything is also on the ears, everything and everything is checked. After loading and docking, everything is checked again inside and out. And also checks of the complex are daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly, semi-annual and annual. In this case, the equipment is redundant. Here the moment is such, if both missiles were recruited into a salvo, and one was launched, then the consequences for the volume of activities performed depend on the stage at which the second was canceled. There can be as minimal consequences, and maybe a real gemopo (sorry for my Russian, I don’t know how more succinctly and succinctly). And if they carried out a check before the start already at sea and found a malfunction, then they did the right thing, that they did not launch the rocket. Well, you can understand. The missiles are far from new, when did you make the last one? There, most likely, the terms were extended more than once. And the boat is not new, it served both in the tail and in the mane. Somehow, a repetition of the first Behemoth, when, due to one clogged sensor, a "drum" turned out, well, I really don't want to. Better to sort it out on the shore. In general, some things always happen to BDRs. Either at loading they will not unhook the traction and tear the highways, then the wheelhouse will hit the ice floe, then they will hit the pier with screws ... Yes, a lot of things. But this is also because the ships were heavily used. Nothing happens only to those who do nothing.
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            1. Andrey NM
              Andrey NM 22 October 2019 11: 48
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              Quote: rudolff
              It is strange that the BDR decided to rape two products at once

              Remember how the crew of Bogachev fired full ammunition for disposal? Even twice. And there the products served all the terms. Here, most likely too. Moreover, the last boat, she is almost 40 years old, how much is she still measured out? It’s easier to shoot these products than to dispose of them later. I do not see any other logic here.
              By the way, in Wikipedia I got into an article on BDRs, and there in the photo of the GAS produced from the stern - K-51 "Verkhoturye". Only she had such small "fins" in the stern, then they were removed. And in the photo with open mine covers - K-114 "Tula". There, the last lids have a very characteristic shape. And these are not BDRs, but BDRMs.
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      2. Fizik M
        Fizik M 21 October 2019 15: 02
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        Quote: rudolff
        Secrets of pre-launch failures have long been that would not spoil the statistics on the mace. Well and not only on it

        !
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 21 October 2019 16: 58
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      Quote: Old26
      In order to obtain images of a new aircraft during the time of "Stalin's grandfather", in reality, it would be necessary to penetrate the hangar or the airfield at the time of testing and, at the risk of life (for health - that's for sure), photograph the latest aircraft. With the development of satellite technology and radio electronics, all this has become largely a fiction.

      The funny thing is that there are at least two modern models of technology, the appearance of which before the first show was completely or partially unknown.
      Remember - how many years wise experts have broken their spears about the appearance of the T-50? And nobody guessed right. And what an intrigue there was before the parade about the "Armata" tower - "look, look - they raised the tarp another couple of centimeters". smile
  20. Mestny
    Mestny 21 October 2019 13: 55
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    Quote: kjhg
    Sensible people draw information from various sources and, based on its analysis, draw conclusions.

    Well, they’ll write on the wall of the neighboring house that you are, for example, a thief and pedophile.
    And "sane people" will take it into account and draw conclusions.
    This is so, for example.
  21. Mestny
    Mestny 21 October 2019 13: 59
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    Quote: Old26
    Unlink to a source you don't like. All the resources that track "suborbital" launches already have information that one launch from the K-44 Ryazan was successful, and the second was not successful, and we are all waiting for our own Defense Ministry to deign to say.

    I inform all fans of the resources - an unsuccessful launch for them is when the rocket took off, but then something happened. Fell nearby, exploded, and so on. That is, what can be visually or radar tracked.
    Immediately "resources" report that it did not come out at all. How can this be noticed and recognized from afar?
    But our fighters with the regime so want that it would be true.
  22. Old26
    Old26 21 October 2019 14: 21
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    Quote: Mestny
    I inform all fans of the resources - an unsuccessful launch for them is when the rocket took off, but then something happened. Fell nearby, exploded, and so on. That is, what can be visually or radar tracked.
    Immediately "resources" report that it did not come out at all. How can this be noticed and recognized from afar?
    But our fighters with the regime so want that it would be true.

    Actually, "on all resources" there is the following gradation:
    1. Successful launch
    2. Partially successful
    3. Unsuccessful

    • According to the first option, this is a situation when the "product" successfully launched and completed its tasks, in particular, when the simulators of the warheads reached the fields of the ranges. Such a launch "they have there, on the resources" is considered successful.

    • In the second option, when the start was successful, but for some reason the finish was not successful. In particular, when BB simulators did not all achieve the goal. Well, for example, one of the blocks missed the range ..
    Such a launch "there, on the resources" is considered partially successful.

    • According to the third option, the launch is considered unsuccessful if the task is not completed. In this case, it was planned to launch two R-29RKU-02 missiles from the K-44 Ryazan boat from the Sea of ​​Okhotsk at the Chizha training ground. Now the excuse of the Ministry of Defense is that "we, they say, did not want to launch a second missile, the main thing is not the quantity ..."
    One rocket was launched. The second is not. The reason - let the experts understand this, but the fact remains. The second launch was not made. And is considered "unsuccessful"

    How can you notice and learn from afar?
    Well, NOTA we are published and according to this "enemy eyes" are watching with all their might how the same teachings are going on. They have radars that monitor our launches, both ground and aircraft .... During the exercises, this stuff from the adjacent side was always enough and enough.
    They may not know the reason, but they know that they didn’t shoot the second. Moreover, all such tests pass with the involvement of a huge number of specialists, including SEV specialists. And when an emergency occurs, a message on the same line of the SEB will pass through the communication channels. Which also obey them. So the question how they learned is not a question. The reason is yes ...
  23. Mestny
    Mestny 21 October 2019 15: 00
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    Quote: Old26
    They may not know the reason, but they know that they didn’t shoot the second. Moreover, all such tests pass with the involvement of a huge number of specialists, including SEV specialists.

    They know. But they interpret it unequivocally, without any reason for this. Well, just not the slightest. Although there was not even an attempt to launch this rocket. There are some doubts or questions. Well, we decided not to take risks, double-check again. It would seem - a normal situation.
    But since a struggle with the regime is needed, all means are good. The next dances were arranged out of the blue for the slightest reason.
    And this is not even the main thing. The main thing is that our domestic right there picks up this howl.
    So their destructive work unfortunately bears fruit. What is easy to notice even on the VO site.
    Alas.
  24. basal
    basal 21 October 2019 16: 21
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    What happened? This is a very complicated technique. Especially outdated. No right for a malfunction? We introduce sanctions - we close service centers of Mercedes, Rovers and other junk .. They are primitive, but they don’t break ???))))))))))))
  25. Old26
    Old26 21 October 2019 16: 31
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    Quote: Mestny
    Although there was not even an attempt to launch this rocket. There are some doubts or questions. Well, we decided not to take risks, double-check again. It would seem - a normal situation.


    Dear Sergey! Our beloved Ministry of Defense has been using the "Aesopian" language since when to hide sometimes abnormal situations. This was the case with astronautics, the Strategic Missile Forces, and the Navy.
    You know, when the carrier with the satellite left "over the hill", and the radio said that everything was fine and "the coordination and computing center is processing incoming information" - It was an excuse exclusively for readers.

    It is clear that anything can happen during an exercise. But when, in order to increase the image, they sometimes begin to "stretch the result", trying to increase the statistics ...

    If THERE IS AN EXERCISE PLANthen it is always executed AT ALL 100%.
    And if this plan is announced in advance, then conversations about what they decided not to let because of the fact that some doubts arose ... Such conversations do not stand up to criticism. Mainly intended for the electorate. Before the missile hit the boat, it was tested in the arsenal (and this is a whole set of tests). And after that to say that "doubts arose" - well, this is not very serious ...

    Quote: Fizik M
    Quote: Old26
    Maksim! Ilyin DIDN'T ANNOUNCE the "mace". Two RSM-50 (according to NATO classification SS-N-18), one Yars (SS-29) and one Sineva (SS-N-23)

    MOSCOW, 14 Oct - RIA News. 16 practical launches of cruise and ballistic missiles, including Maces and “Sinevy” will be held during the Thunder-2019 strategic nuclear forces exercises, said the acting head of the Main Directorate for International Military Cooperation of the Russian Ministry of Defense Major General Eugene Ilyin.

    Maksim! If we make a reference to the media, I still prefer not media like RIA Novosti or the like, but still the website of the Ministry of Defense. And there, at the briefing, there was NO SPEECH about "Bulava". Only about the following launches:
    Two ballistic missile launches RSM-50 (SS-N-18) will be performed at the Chizh site. In addition, intercontinental ballistic missile launches will take place Yars (SS-29) and ballistic missiles "Blue" (SS-N-23) on the Kura training ground.
    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/[email protected]
    About Bulava only in civil media