In India, explained why the elite Su-35 can win a tender for 12 billion dollars

Su-35 can become not only a means of replenishing the Indian Air Force with a powerful "heavyweight", but also a unique opportunity to modernize the Su-30MKI fleet. Why the elite Su-35 can win a tender for 12 billion dollars, the Indian media tried to explain.

Unrivaled Heavyweight

According to Indian Defense News, which published special material, the Russian fighter for gaining air superiority of the “4 ++ generation” Su-35 “Flanker” stands out among seven bidders for the supply of an average multi-purpose combat aircraft of the Indian Air Force as the only heavy platform and the only machine specializing in airborne control battlefield.

Given its large mass, the Su-35, placed a line above, in the circle of the "elite", surpasses all other bidders in the entire spectrum of characteristics: in payload, range and altitude, and equipment power. For the same reason, it has increased maneuverability and speed (which MiG-35 has among the applicants only), since its dimensions made it possible to install an engine with a controlled thrust vector. This is the only aircraft participating in the tender that is able to carry hypersonic air-to-air missiles.

But, according to Indian Defense News, despite the relatively low cost and high performance, the key disadvantage of the Su-35 compared to lighter jet aircraft, such as the MiG-35 and Rafal, are increased maintenance requirements and operating costs. which possibly makes it less competitive compared to medium fighters.

Russia declared ready to transfer technology

However, according to the publication, if you link the proposal for the production of 114 units. Su-35 in India with the possibility of modernizing the existing fleet of more than 250 units in the country other "heavyweights" Su-30MKI, the Russian proposal may well compensate for the shortcomings of higher operating costs.

Allegedly, the KLA of the Russian Federation proposed to provide under the contract a number of Su-35 technologies that can be used to modernize the Indian Su-30 fleet, which will significantly improve their flight performance. Moreover, many of the systems will be produced in India itself.

As the publication explains, the potential contract stipulates that the engines and other systems installed on the Su-35 will be integrated into the Indian Su-30, which will make the two aircraft substantially similar and, accordingly, compatible. This, in turn, can lead to less burdensome maintenance and lower net maintenance costs fleet heavyweight fighters. This option cannot be offered by any other bidder, Indian Defense News believes.

Although Su-35 is likely to be one of the three main contenders, the unique opportunity to improve due to its existing Indian fleet of Su-30 India [...] may well make it a leading challenger

- concludes the edition.

Comments

[Local from the Volga]

But what about the 5th generation gypsy ?!

[ltc35]

They meant the Su-35. This will be their fifth generation!

[Machito]

All Indians like everything. A great reason to bargain for ten years ....

[maxim947]

They will choose the option which will have a stronger lobby in India.
And the statement regarding the expensive maintenance of the SU-35 regarding other options is very doubtful, it seems that everything is exactly the opposite.
So if for garlic, then he has no competitors.

[Herman 4223]

He eats more Kerasin, but this can’t be principle for spare parts, they are cheaper because they are made with us, and not with the French.

[yehat]

first, what is kerAsin?
secondly, the cost of spare parts is weakly related to their selling value
10-15 intermediaries, 70% of taxes and it doesn’t matter where they did what.
thirdly, 2 engines are installed not only for power, but also for combat stability
this is especially true for naval aviation - there is very little joy in being left without an engine.
and moderate consumption, because A fighter is capable of flying over 1800 km without hanging tanks.

[Herman 4223]

Well, if 15 intermediaries then it’s definitely not important. Rafal, he also has two engines, as well as f18 and eurofighter.

[Vadim T.]

The Hindus, it seems, have already made their choice. But do not feed them bread - let bargain. What they, according to tradition, do all the time. For the benefit of myself, of course.

[Livonetc]

It seems that our manufacturers are perfectly accustomed to this feature of the Indians.
And this skill is currently a non-competitive advantage.
However, this is only verbal.
We will observe the continuation of the next Bollywood story.

[Thrifty]

There is only one drawback; the Indians see both hands not only crooked, but also left. . planes need to be able to competently operate and maintain, and not hack, accusing Russia of the excessive complexity of aircraft for repairs. Fly on the Wimans, if you can build them. Or armored with three layers of colored straw deltoplana. ..

[Kasym]

Actually, Berezhlivy, Indian pilots have one of the largest annual air raids in the world, up to 250 hours a year (hence a lot of accidents in the air). They "beat" in training battles Americans, British, etc. F-15, F-16, Typhoons, etc. lost practice battles to them. The Indians even managed to "beat" them on the MiG-21.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Kasym

They "beat" Americans, British, etc. in training battles.

They they saidthat were beaten in training battles of Americans, British, etc.

[Kasym]

"CopeIndia 2004", "RedFlag 2008" in the USA, etc .. Search on the Internet, there are many articles from different authors.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Kasym

"CopeIndia 2004", "RedFlag 2008" in the USA, etc .. Search on the Internet, there are many articles from different authors.

I read them (not all, but some). Quote about Cope India:

"the air engagements typically involved six Eagles against up to eighteen IAF aircraft with no chance to simulate any beyond visual range (BVR) missile shot (due to the Indian request of not using the AMRAAM). Furthemore, the Indians had sent their most experienced airmen to fight against the Americans whereas the latter belonged to a standard squadron (hence there was a mix of experienced and less experienced pilots) ".

Here is what the American said about the composition of the pilots:

Ours were a mix of 80-20 - 80 percent with low experience, less than 500 hours on the F-15, the remaining 20 were fairly experienced but they came back from a staff appointment so they really hadn't had a lot of time flying.

Those. to put the enemy is put into deliberately losing conditions, and then talk about victory.

And about RedFlag 2008 there is a very different "report" of the Americans from the Indian one. Who lies less is not clear.

[TermNachTer]

250 a year, vague doubts torment me. NATO believes that 120 to 40 hours a year is enough to maintain a normal pilot qualification, but it is noted that this is a little expensive. Are Indians almost twice as big? What about motor resources? If four pilots fly on one airplane, does it mean average repair every year? Every three years - kapitalka?

[Hagalaz]

I can’t say anything by the deadlines, but the appropriate equipment comes to our factory for capitalization regularly. But not three year old. So we feed to a large extent .....

[Kasym]

Nikolai, served at the airfield at the Union. So, our school, which we served, had 300 days of combat a year (we served the regiments in Lugovoy, Kant, Tokmak and Frunze) in two shifts. That is, almost all working days. And this is only for application. But there are also flying skills, and aerial targets, and night flights. In short, it took at least 50 hours for the minimum possession of the technique. (in Ukraine until 14, for example). So that the pilot could do more than takeoff and landing - 150-170h., You can talk about flying skills at 200h .. The average flight time of an "ordinary" pilot at the peak of the power of the USSR was just over 300h .. "Good" pilots up to 400h., "Masters" up to 500h "Asy" up to 600h ..
Now we only support the form.
Take, for example, the Su-24. What ammunition can I use? Over 30 units of various ammunition (only 7 bombs and this is not adjustable). Try to train without flying.

[NN52]

Kasym (Dauren)

Hi!
Well, you buddy, "a little" bent about the raid of flight personnel in the USSR)))
Less "slightly".

[Kasym]

Nikolay, welcome! Once a major (assistant RP at the training ground) asked. He said that he had 350 hours. But this is an instructor.
And so, that he dug in various articles with a slight decrease. And, of course, we are talking about pilots of fighter-bombers. It’s clear that there are fewer bombers.
But I would not downplay the capabilities of the Indians. Those PRCs and Pakistan have borders and are forced to keep flight crew in good shape.
You know better of course.

[TermNachTer]

With all due respect, do not confuse warm with soft. Under the Union, they did not spare money on defense. Allocated as much as necessary. The Indians have a slightly different situation. Firstly, the budget is not bottomless, and secondly, engines are only capitalized in Russia, i.e. additional expenses. Despite the fact that it is necessary to have a sufficient number of boards in the ranks, if the situation goes into the hot phase.

[Pavel57]

If you do not use the simulators widely, then no raid will be enough to learn how to use the whole variety of modern weapons.

[voyaka uh]

Indians fly a lot.
Therefore, their su-30 engine kits are replaced 2-3 times
during the service of the aircraft. Auditors cried and swore that the Su-30 costs them
more than $ 100 million apiece, including engine overhauls.
Hence the tender for single-engine fighter jets.

[Pavel57]

Quote: voyaka uh

Hence the tender for single-engine fighter jets.

But we cannot offer them anything.

[Avior]

but in non-teaching, somehow this is not realized ....

[Ugolek]

In general, the Indians are looking for a way out of the stalemate ...

[Yura]

Well then, why are they pulling the cat by the tail, they would have taken it and bought it, they’ll be late everywhere and will fly on the MIG-21, although this is a perfect fighter, but yesterday it can’t meet modern requirements by quite a few criteria.

[askort154]

Yeah ....... An airfield surrounded by "skyscrapers" is a discomfort not only for residents, but also for pilots. And the Su-35 is one admiration.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: askort154

And the Su-35 is one admiration.

Yes, maneuvers in the air, as if turning off gravity! Peerless !!!

[Sergey39]

If they were guided by logic, they would have long been armed with the best fighters.

[knn54]

It’s dangerous to buy something from Europe, if the Yankees impose sanctions, then the West will immediately support them with all the consequences for India .. I hope that the Indians understand this.

[Proton]

Well, Indians, as always, give that, give that, do the opposite

[Nycomed]

Technology cannot be transferred! Only the finished product.

[Tamek]

Does this mean not to sell?

[Inspector]

And what is the joy? When in their army - 68 pieces ?? And it seems that there will be no more. Dodges on the sale of the English protectorate, and even with the transfer of technology - what are you, Indians? It seems so.

[Herman 4223]

In terms of at least 90 should already be. There was an order for 48, it was completed, and then another 50 until 2020.

[silver_roman]

they will collect the curved-handed Indians of the su-35, which will fall, and then they will whine that the dryers are falling. so it was with the su-30mki

[Coloneltank]

Su-35 can easily be upgraded to the 5th generation, and then it's not 4 +++ but 5+.
Aircraft and a rating of 5+.
There are simply no other options for India, if you discard the policy of course.

[_Ugene_]

Su-35 can easily be upgraded to the 5th generation, and then it's not 4 +++ but 5+.

how is it? stealth for the 5th generation has not been canceled yet, for this you need to redo the entire su-35 glider from scratch, in the end we get the su-57

[Operator]

"[Su-35] has increased maneuverability and speed (which is higher among the contenders only for the MiG-35)"

The maneuverability and speed of the Su-35 is higher than that of the MiG-35, so the adjective “others” should be added to the word “challengers”.

[max702]

It even comes to the Hindus that you need to have the same equipment, and not a zoo from different planes .. And yes, if the contract with the SU-35 burns out, then the MIG-35 can be closed .. Nobody needs it ..

[capsid]

Quote: Nycomed

Technology cannot be transferred! Only the finished product.

There’s no other way. They set the conditions ..

[evgen1221]

Well, what kind of technology to sell if, if you want to take it, then let them buy ready-made cars, the West doesn’t squander technology in addition to technology. Oh yes, but what if the Indians don’t take it, and don’t care, others will take it. And so to each buyer to make such gifts, well it is ...

[Herman 4223]

You can sell the wheel manufacturing technology, or screwdriver assembly.

[Simoom]

Yes, sell at least 20 to Pakistan at a normal price and the Indians themselves will crawl on their knees !!!)))) Although they are our old friends!)

[stels_07]

The country today-tomorrow war is possible, but they are still clever

[Herman 4223]

I hope that the tender will still win in an instant, they need orders like air. Well, dry would not be bad

[Klingon]

Quote: maxim947

They will choose the option which will have a stronger lobby in India.
And the statement regarding the expensive maintenance of the SU-35 regarding other options is very doubtful, it seems that everything is exactly the opposite.
So if for garlic, then he has no competitors.

agree and the F-16 batch service will be the most expensive, they’ll get tired of paying for upgrades, as the minke whales deliberately delay delivery, which means accelerating the obsolescence of technologies

[Jürgen friesen]

Is Rafaley's service cheaper?
Killed

[yehat]

Quote: Kasym

"Asy" up to 600h

there are some discrepancies. in long-range aviation, time is differently evaluated
when you fly at a time of 8-11 hours, it does not equal 11 sorties on a fighter.

[yehat]

Quote: Samum

Yes, sell at least 20 to Pakistan at a normal price and the Indians themselves will crawl on their knees !!!)))) Although they are our old friends!)

give the link to pakistan to vparit india regiment)))

[Newave]

In fact, Indian Defense News stole this article from Military Watch Magazine, which was published on August 10, 2019. The article was titled "Why Russia's Offer to Build its Elite Su-35 Fighters in India Could be Very Tempting for Delhi". So it was explained in the USA about the Su-35, and not in India))))