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They came to ruin someone else's house ... (“Rot Fuchs”, Germany)

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Constantly flashing dubious discussion about German prisoners of war in the USSR forces me to share with the readers my thoughts on this issue. At the end of the Second World War, 11,2 millions of Germans from the Wehrmacht and the SS were captured by the Allies. About 8 millions of them were in the Anglo-American, and over 3 millions - in Soviet captivity. The Germans expected their respective countries to be treated with their prisoners of war in accordance with the provisions of the Geneva 1906 Convention, the Hague Rules of the Ground War 1907, or the 1929 Prisoners of War Convention. thousands of times violated these conventions. Most of the approximately 1939 of millions of Soviet prisoners of war did not even get canned food. The “Memo for the protection of Soviet prisoners of war” from September 1945 6 says:


“Ruthlessly resort to the most extreme measures at the slightest sign of discontent and disobedience! To crush the resistance mercilessly apply weapon. Immediately shoot without warning at a running prisoner of war, firing aimed fire. (...) On the other hand, to a working and obedient prisoner of war, too, one cannot be soft. He will take it as a weakness and draw his own conclusions. ”



However, these were not violent measures that led to the mass death of Soviet prisoners of war. The reason for the large losses was, above all, the systematic lack of food supply, inspired by the order of the High Command of the Wehrmacht.

“... Mostly in 1941 and 1942. diets were introduced and approved, with full awareness of the consequences in the form of starvation of thousands and thousands of prisoners. This policy of destruction consistent with the policies of the famine of the civilian population, practiced in the occupied territories of the Soviet Union. Despite the fact that food rations constantly increased, until the very end of the war, they did not reach either in size or in quality food standards for non-Soviet prisoners of war. Especially in 1941-1942. among the prisoners, epidemics of dysentery and typhus flared up, tens of thousands of victims. Due to prolonged chronic malnutrition in conditions of overwork and scant medical care, Soviet prisoners of war remained easily susceptible to infectious diseases in the second half of the war. Mortality has stabilized at a high level, mostly due to a large number of tuberculosis diseases ... ”

This is written by Hans Reichelt in his book, published in 2007, the book “Germans Returning from Captivity”.

Only from July 1941 to February 1942, thus, in eight months, about 10 million of Soviet prisoners of war died from frostbite and inhuman treatment in German concentration camps. Exactly calculated by the Nazi leadership, the “famine” found its terrible embodiment. Tens of thousands of Red Army soldiers taken from Russia were killed during transportation or died of epidemics in prefabricated camps. 2 to 1941 1945 of millions of Red Army soldiers got into German captivity, of which about 6 630 survived to the end of the war. Out of about 000 of millions of German prisoners of war who were in Soviet captivity, almost 3,3 million returned home.

Who today is engaged in the issue of prisoners of war, must objectively recognize that Hitler's Germany began the war against European and other countries of the world. All the soldiers of either side of the conflict who were captured became victims of the criminal Nazi ideology, which aspired to world domination and disgraced the German race.

“... Despite numerous regrettable cases of the death of German prisoners of war, in their sum they didn’t even treat them as savagely as the Germans did during the war years with Soviet prisoners of war ...”

“... In most countries where German soldiers were interned after the war, they were attracted to reconstruction work. In France, it looked like in the Soviet Union, and in England - as in the United States. You can not kill the dead of one army killed by another army. However, however, we must constantly consider this context when we are told, or we read about individual destinies, история which causes a lump in the throat ... "
(same author)

Monstrous bloating in the media, historical literature or in modern politics of all these excesses in captivity, especially Soviet, pursues only one goal: even today to continue the anti-Soviet harassment! In 2003, a thick, weighty volume of Guido Knopp came out - a venerable historian of the TsDF TV channel called “Prisoners”, where there is such a passage:

"... Siberia has become synonymous with the suffering and distress of eleven million German prisoners of war ..."

However, as the reader himself can be sure, neither the figure nor the geography is true. However, Kuppp’s thoughts are accepted by the mass public. Another example is Folk Koop’s book Under Occupation in 2008 about the Soviet occupation policy in Germany, this work is more of an anti-Soviet leaflet than a serious historical study. It does not even need to be taken into account. However, some should recall the words of Konrad Adenauer: "There are things that I don’t even talk about with myself."

Releases occurred in several threads in certain years from 1945 to 1949. In 1948, the Soviet Foreign Minister Molotov, after leaving the last released prisoners of war in Germany, said that there were still 890 532 prisoners of war in the Soviet camps who would be released in 1949.

At the end of 1949, the release of German prisoners of war from the USSR ended with the transportation of 17 538 persons. The Soviet news agency TASS in May 1950 reported that the repatriation was “fully completed” by this flow. From that moment only those accused of war crimes remained in custody in the USSR. According to Soviet data, they were 35 000. This is the serious work of Andreas Hilger (“German prisoners of war in the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1956”, Essen 2000), released under the patronage of the Hannas Arendt Institute of Dresden *. In his studies, including those in the Russian archives, he came to interesting conclusions that the Soviet Union was "... clearly intends to ... respect the basic principles of international legal standards for the treatment of prisoners of war ..." and the fact that "... the USSR, in its policy towards prisoners, did not pursue goals of extermination or revenge ..." There was no fixed time period, "... to which would have been planned or carried out actions for the destruction of German prisoners of war ... "

Hilger relies on data from Soviet 2 388 443 attacks by German prisoners of war, of which 2 031 743 was repatriated. 356 687 died in captivity. The high mortality rate was due, in particular, to the poor supply that caused the war:

“... the supply was extremely scarce for everyone - both Soviet citizens and prisoners of war. Often for Soviet citizens it was even less ... "

And those about 35 000 of German prisoners (they returned to Germany before 1955), who were convicted by Soviet courts for Nazi and war crimes, according to Hilger, made up an “insignificant share” of the total.

There is nothing to add, since the bourgeois media and historians are unlikely to be suspicious of the spread of frivolous historiography because of the staff of the Hannah Arendt Institute.

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* Research Institute at the Technical University of Dresden. Engaged in the study of fascist and communist dictatorships. (approx. transl.)
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  1. MG42
    MG42 21 September 2013 08: 01
    35
    July 17, 1944, 57 thousand German prisoners of war soldiers and officers in a column passed through the streets of Moscow. Nineteen generals led the defeated army at the head of the column. They walked through Moscow, in which they hoped to enter the victors, past the people whom they were supposed to destroy.
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 21 September 2013 08: 28
      18
      As they say, whoever comes to us with a sword will come from the sword and die!
      No one has called these rulers of the world to us, let their descendants say thanks again that our grandfathers did not engage in the genocide of the German people, in contrast to the U.S. B.D.
      1. sergey72
        sergey72 21 September 2013 08: 58
        +4
        I support !!!! drinks And in the title of the article you need to add ... "and make you a slave!"
      2. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 21 September 2013 11: 45
        +9
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        our grandfathers did not engage in the genocide of the German people, in contrast to the UBLDDKO who committed atrocities on our land.

        But today, other .. bastards are killing the nation by instilling debauchery, LGBT and other methods of silent glanders.
        On using no weapons, not fighting.
    2. Che
      Che 21 September 2013 11: 52
      +5
      Whoever deals with prisoners of war today should objectively admit that Hitler Germany began the war against European and other countries of the world.

      The war was inspired by the Anglo-Saxons - 100%.

      And start the tenth business.
      1. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 21 September 2013 13: 09
        13
        The most important ki are not LGBT, but those who dance Lezginka on Russian shrines with the connivance of the authorities, those who consider Russians to be subhumans, claiming that "the Caucasus is power." That's who you need for fertilization. And gays ... then it will come to gays.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 21 September 2013 14: 28
          +5
          Quote: Kibalchish
          And gays ... then it will reach gays

          Do not put off until tomorrow what needs to be done today. Then it will be too late!
          Look at what is happening around you more broadly, wondering: Who needs all this ???
    3. Avenger711
      Avenger711 21 September 2013 14: 17
      -2
      Yeah. And me by force on a similar parade on the occasion of the local day of the city. I still remembered that the Germans were at least fed before this properly.
      1. i_vam_ne_hvoratj
        i_vam_ne_hvoratj 23 September 2013 15: 52
        0
        To the LGBT parade on the occasion of the local day of the city and without feeding ??? !!! They are not by the rules ...
    4. Colonel
      Colonel 21 September 2013 18: 34
      18
      In the seventh minute of the plot, a starley, Hero of the Soviet Union, appears in the frame. This is Vladimir Karpov, the reconnaissance platoon commander. At one time he was convicted, was in camps, after a letter to Kalinin he got to the front as a private, took more than 50 "languages". Future author of books about Marshal Zhukov, General Petrov, Generalissimo Stalin. The last who headed the USSR Writers' Union. The episode with the prisoners is described by him in his autobiographical novel "Take it alive". I adore this person.
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 22 September 2013 15: 07
        +4
        Quote: colonel
        I bow to this man.

        Yes, BUM MAN. He knew him personally, had a chance to chat at a picnic in the forest in an informal setting. True, I was still a very small kid then, but I remember everything perfectly. He came to the part where my father served, after the official part, they organized a picnic, but for some reason he preferred to talk with the lieutenants (Dad was older then) without superiors. That's how I got there. I remember everyone listened to him, as if spellbound. And then with us, the kid started, ran, I remember through the forest.
    5. Sirs
      Sirs 23 September 2013 01: 43
      +1
      And after that, the streets washed with brown mud (fascists such poop).
      1. MG42
        MG42 23 September 2013 14: 36
        +2
        Quote: Sirs
        And after that, the streets washed with brown mud

        Someone minus this video, so not everyone has been washed away yet .. wink
        I was most impressed by the cry of "stand up!" In the voice acting of the film, there is so much metal in the voice and this is 1944 when our troops began to liberate the territories in which the Germans set up concentration camps, an additional incentive for hatred. Obviously, different prisoners were treated differently, the SS soldiers were not allowed to march around Moscow and under escort, I did not notice them on the video ..
  2. Igarr
    Igarr 21 September 2013 09: 42
    +8
    I will support you.
    Here's what interested me - ".. In 2003, a thick, weighty volume of Guido Knopp, a venerable historian of the TsDF TV channel called" Prisoners ", was published, which contains the following passage:
    "... Siberia has become synonymous with the suffering and misery of eleven million German prisoners of war ..." ... "
    Pure slander and lies.
    But did our services, representative offices, embassies, consulates make at least some statement about this?
    Well, they don’t want to officially raise the bucket. And unofficially?
    To buy a couple of Turks, let them fuck it off ... Peysaku.
    At one time they used to piss off - "the hands of Moscow".
    And now, it seems, even the little finger is gone. The Kremlin.
    Zhirinovsky alone is at war.
    Regrettably.
  3. shurup
    shurup 21 September 2013 10: 01
    19
    On the brother of one grandfather, seven years ago, he received paper from Germany. Died of illness in a camp.
    The disease is described in the article.
    The second grandfather, bombed in the Saratov evacuation hospital, still can not find information. Archival workers are too busy with the fate of German prisoners of war, while the media are too busy comparing rations and conditions of detention.
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 21 September 2013 10: 47
      +4
      The second grandfather, bombed in the Saratov evacuation hospital, still can not find information. Archival workers are too busy with the fate of German prisoners of war, while the media are too busy comparing rations and conditions of detention.

      Well, here you have found the enemy in our archives.
      and still it is necessary to drive search engines and historians from there, so as not to distract from your searches.
      True, infa on the broken train is TsAMO, and there is no data on German prisoners, well, this is not interesting to anyone, the enemy is branded with shame.

      ****

      In general, these same prisoners are not interested in anyone except the screamers from the Brainwashing Deportation; some time ago, we tried to inform the local department of the Federal Bureau of the prisoner’s cemetery, which will be used for development. The FB replied that they didn’t do this, but if they don’t give a damn about it, then nobody really needs them.
  4. V. Tarasyan
    V. Tarasyan 21 September 2013 10: 12
    17
    From my point of view, everything is simple.
    Nobody called them here, so no one owes them anything. soldier
    And let all "historians", both local and local, remember this.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 21 September 2013 22: 28
      +2
      I would like to add -------- especially
      Quote: V. Tarasyan
      here.
      .........
    2. German
      German 22 September 2013 21: 06
      +1
      ... "Nobody invited them here, so nobody owes them anything" - you can't say more precisely !!!
  5. Algor73
    Algor73 21 September 2013 10: 30
    17
    This is a very difficult question, especially for those whose relatives were in captivity or died there. The Germans believed (and do believe) that the Slavs (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians) were not doing well, they had no compassion for us, and there is no now. The Slavs have one feature that is inherent in us - we know how to forgive the most unforgivable unforgettable thing. The West sees everything in material wealth, while the Slovenians have a heart, a soul. A German will never understand the states "underdrink", "the soul hurts" (this is so, for example). Hence the following - why it is impossible to defeat the Russians - we are for the idea, for the mother, for the family, for the homeland, and they - for money, or under the whip.
    1. asadov
      asadov 21 September 2013 12: 05
      +6
      I agree. And I’ll add on my own. The West has no conscience.
      1. Rider
        Rider 21 September 2013 16: 40
        0
        Quote: asadov
        I agree. And I’ll add on my own. The West has no conscience.


        vaabcheto - is

        (but it’s very easy to buy, and for cheap)
  6. Gur
    Gur 21 September 2013 10: 32
    +5
    At such a rate, they will twist that we will become the axis of evil. Oh, this geyropa.
  7. AX
    AX 21 September 2013 10: 52
    +7
    I would like to ask these "gentlemen", who committed the aggression against whom on June 22, 1941? But after answering this question, let them draw their own conclusions.
  8. Gendalf
    Gendalf 21 September 2013 11: 16
    +4
    I read the memoirs of a German soldier in captivity. There was a story about how they hid a sentinel rifle for the sake of a joke, who, due to sloppiness, left it unattended, so the sentry, he said, almost with tears in his eyes asked to return it, therefore that he was afraid of punishment. This story had no consequences for the Germans.
    1. Jipo
      Jipo 21 September 2013 14: 16
      +4
      I watched a doc film on the BBC, so a German said there that the Russians had even less provisions than captured soldiers. The great mortality of the Stalingrad soldiers was caused by the fact that they were already exhausted, so to speak, and if they surrendered and stopped fighting a month earlier, there would have been more survivors. And so about 6000 people were able to return to their homeland in Germany. By the way, Drabkin has a book based on the memoirs of captured soldiers, a very informative book.
  9. tomas.09
    tomas.09 21 September 2013 11: 25
    10
    Let them say thanks for digging the graves. Our prisoners in crematoria were burned and ashes were sold as fertilizers. Su ...... !!!!
    1. Dober
      Dober 21 September 2013 13: 02
      +1
      Quote: tomas.09
      Let them say thanks for digging the graves.

      On behalf of the Germans I’ll say -
      Thank you Artyom for digging the graves.
      It is clear that it’s not personally ...
      You yourself find a photo of the cemeteries in Germany RUSSIAN WARRIORS? In what condition they are in perfect condition.
      And I'm ready to send a couple of photos after visiting them by Russian "tourists". A mountain of empty bottles, sausage scraps, empty cigarette packs and butts. This is how the Germans judge in relation to the "graves" of the winners themselves.
      1. tomas.09
        tomas.09 21 September 2013 14: 06
        +2
        I’m talking about your attitude to prisoners of war, and you tell me about the contents of military graves !!!
        1. bwo
          bwo 22 September 2013 12: 07
          -1
          Regarding the attitude towards prisoners of war. NOT IN ANY MEASURE IN JUSTIFICATION. However - "The 1929 Prisoner of War Convention. However, Hitlerite Germany itself from 1939 to 1945 violated these conventions thousands of times. Most of the approximately 6 million Soviet prisoners of war were not given even canned food."
          So, the USSR did not sign this convention.
          1. Witch
            Witch 25 September 2013 11: 27
            0
            And why not sign it?
            1. Germany has signed. And according to the convention, she was obliged to observe it in relation to all prisoners of war, regardless of whether the convention was signed by their state or not.
            2. In June 1941, through the Swedes, the NKID transmitted to Germany a note on the application of the USSR conventions on the maintenance of prisoners of war.
            Teach materiel.
            1. bwo
              bwo 25 September 2013 17: 57
              0
              What is wrong in my post?
              Not in spirit (this is a very subjective concept), but in fact?
              1. Snoop
                Snoop 3 January 2014 18: 35
                0
                In fact, read the Geneva Convention. It says in black and white that the country that signed it is obliged to abide by it, regardless of whether the adversaries are in it or not.
      2. POBEDA
        POBEDA 22 September 2013 12: 39
        +1
        Often our freaks are so ashamed ... eh .. would unscrew the Bosko ..
  10. KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 21 September 2013 11: 49
    +6
    The Germans are good warriors, not for nothing that the 2-worlds were at the forefront, and still remained the largest nation in Western Europe ... If they were on islands or a continent as a separate country, they would thoroughly clean all nations. This is one of the goals of the war - the destruction of competitors and the seizure of resources ... They are simply pedantic and understand the goals of the war without feeling guilty for illiberalism ...
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 22 September 2013 00: 37
      +1
      Germans are good warriors
      ........... were, weaned them
  11. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 21 September 2013 12: 03
    0
    But after all, Stalin personally shot 50 million people and another 100 million along with Beria, another 100 million were shot in 37 and 40 million were shot by barrage detachments at the front, and then after the war, Stalin as a real "gourmet" had the opportunity to destroy almost two and a half million captured Germans, plus all sorts of Italians, Japanese, Romanians, Bulgarians, etc. And he just took and released almost everyone, forcing (that's a bastard) to work. Where is the logic? Why did not he exterminate them all, although he had complete moral right.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 21 September 2013 12: 40
      +5
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Where is the logic? Why didn’t I exterminate them all, although I had full moral right.

      I'm tired ...
      1. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 21 September 2013 12: 56
        +3
        50 million per second, this is a year and a half of continuous firing ... I would be tired too hi
        liberal tales about millions of shots strike ... yes, people died of hunger ... and only criminals from weapons ...
    2. svp67
      svp67 21 September 2013 13: 05
      +5
      Quote: Standard Oil
      But Stalin only personally shot

      Not a human, a "Terminator" of some sort ... It remains only to add as a detail that at that moment he was only repeating:
      - “I'll be back”
      - your clothes. Give it to me. Immediately.
      “Come with me if you want to live.”
      - Get up, Reese! Get on your feet, soldier! Get up! ... and so on and so forth
      My friend, you would be careful with fiction and horror at bedtime, otherwise you’re not far from a nervous breakdown ...
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      2. German
        German 22 September 2013 21: 09
        +1
        ... and you need to be careful with the pills ...
    3. Jipo
      Jipo 21 September 2013 14: 23
      +4
      About 50000000 hilariously count. Who then built, worked, fought, gave birth, brought up, plumped, and even sat? Zombies or something? For a long time there is data about who, whom and how many from the archives, and all some individuals continue to write Solzhenitsynov's nonsense.
      1. sergey72
        sergey72 21 September 2013 14: 32
        +2
        I don’t understand that everyone is so excited? This Standarl Oil sarcasm is so ...
  12. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 21 September 2013 12: 44
    +6
    <<< From 1941 to 1945 6 million Red Army soldiers were taken prisoner in Germany, of which about 630 survived until the end of the war. Out of about 000 million German prisoners of war who were in Soviet captivity, almost 3,3 million returned home. >>>
    In other words, 6 out of 10 German prisoners returned home from Russian captivity with its horrors, replicated by the West and home-grown liberals, and only EVERY 10th Russian prisoner returned home from humane German captivity! Feel the difference, as they say! And this is the answer to all these Knopps, Koops and other "historians" and researchers of the 2nd World War, climbing out of their way, trying in the spirit of the modern ideology of the West to throw mud at the winner - Russians and Russia, presenting them as bloodthirsty barbarians! And, what outrages, and in Russia there are distributors of this lie and filth!
  13. George
    George 21 September 2013 12: 58
    +3
    I bring to your attention the memoirs of Stepan Mikhailovich Shabalin - one of the rank-and-file soldiers of the Great Patriotic War. The war turned out for him not only two serious wounds, but also all the burdens of the service of an ordinary soldier of the North-Western Front. He made a connection under fire in the forests and swamps. Reflected tank attacks with an armor-piercing gun in his hands. He himself went on the attack more than once, entering hand-to-hand with the enemy.
    From the book by V. Pershanin "We plowed half of Europe on our bellies":
    I never thought that after three years I would have to face my former enemies, the Germans. In 1948 – 1952, a large number of them worked on the construction of the Volga-Don 100 km channel. How much - I can’t say, then everyone was classified, but the number of prisoners of war was in the thousands.

    They were kept separately from prisoners in special camps. Those who were in our area saw villages built by the Germans along the canal. Good houses, with pointed roofs, neat fences, asphalt. The names of the villages are: “One-Three,” “Four-Five,” “Six-Nine.” This is according to the numbering of the gateways near which they are located. There is also the village of Ilyevka, I will not remember everything. Sixty years have passed, and the villages are holding on. Qualitatively and accurately, the Germans built.

    I had to communicate with the Germans sometimes. In the 1948 – 1949 years, when the German Democratic Republic (GDR) was created, many were released. Those convicted of war crimes were left to work: executions of Soviet prisoners of war and civilians, looting, violence.

    They considered themselves unfairly offended. Like, they already released prisoners from other countries, but they are all being held. Typically, no one considered himself guilty. Like, there was an ordinary war, and they are ordinary soldiers or officers. The Germans seemed to have completely forgotten that they came to our land with weapons in order to conquer it, to make us slaves.

    Well, you didn’t like the “Bolsheviks." But this is not a reason to bomb our cities, burn villages, kill everyone in a row. It was impossible to explain to them. We communicated purely on working issues, it was forbidden to talk on other topics. But sometimes it broke through. They already understood Russian well. Their foremen with the “KS” patches (self-protection team) nodded, agreeing with everything. They hoped for a speedy release.

    And the others? Strong, healthy men with evil eyes. I looked at them and thought how dangerous our enemy was. They also made shoots in the post-war years, seized weapons. Far away, of course, did not run away. Caught them quickly. But I repeatedly read about shoot orientations. By the way, they were not so badly fed. For the sake of curiosity, I wrote down the daily norm on a piece of paper: 400 grams of rye bread, 100 grams of cereal, 100 grams of fish, 20 - vegetable oil, 20 - sugar. Near Leningrad in the forty-third we often did not get that either. Now, after many years, I calmly relate to the Germans. They also got it. The war brings good to no one.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 21 September 2013 22: 36
      +1
      here it is, the main thing ---------
      Quote: GEORGE
      The war brings good to no one.
    2. Yazov
      Yazov 22 September 2013 02: 15
      +1
      Mom lived in Uzbekistan after the war, so she says that in the camp for the Japanese, even movies were shown on weekends. I went to watch.
      How many films in conc. camps showed?
      But now they sing that 2 million Germans were raped. And the figure is increasing over the years. Yes, easy to get off!
  14. ObnaPur
    ObnaPur 21 September 2013 13: 01
    +1
    Otto von Bismarck: "Never Draw Your Sword Against Russia"
  15. pensioner
    pensioner 21 September 2013 13: 33
    +3
    I was born and raised in a city in which there were a lot of Germans. All of those resettled from the Volga region during the war. In the 70s there were still a lot of people who remembered the German prisoners. According to them, the first captured Germans in our city began to arrive in 43g. They were used in the construction of mines. In 45, there were a lot of German prisoners in the city. They built buildings, roads, mined stone, made road brick from it. Even now you can find sections of roads paved with this brick. The buildings built by the Germans have also survived. They clearly stand out against the general background. Several Germans stayed with us, did not want to return to Germany. I remember one myself. He was a tanker. And what is characteristic: none of those who spoke about them said a single bad word about them. And everyone said that they ate better than many of our citizens. Apart from the miners of course.
    1. i_vam_ne_hvoratj
      i_vam_ne_hvoratj 24 September 2013 14: 44
      0
      I can not disagree with you. Wars are not unleashed by nations but by their rulers.
  16. pensioner
    pensioner 21 September 2013 13: 37
    0
    And further. V. Medinsky's book "War" (for example) contains the approved food ration for prisoners in our country. Quite a decent norm. You definitely can't stretch your legs from her. Even the jam was served.
  17. OPTR
    OPTR 21 September 2013 13: 49
    0
    Quote: Igarr
    Pure slander and lies.
    But did our services, representative offices, embassies, consulates make at least some statement about this?


    Most of the propaganda was directed inland. To propagate outward, it was necessary to have channels and constantly work to increase the authority and "entertainment". In order not to listen to the "enemy's voice" in the USSR and search for foreign magazines, but vice versa.
  18. vladstro
    vladstro 21 September 2013 13: 50
    +2
    I believe Starikov more about Stalin, and I always sent liberoids and their assistants away.
  19. drop
    drop 21 September 2013 14: 02
    +6
    I would like to share about the raised issue in the article. I think the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Red Army should have acted more severely in relation to fascist Germany. I became a lieutenant at the age of 19. My father and loved ones died at the front. At the school we were taught some disciplines by participants in the bombing of Berlin by our aircraft in August 1941. I.V. Stalin had the right to drop on Germany at the beginning of the war not high-explosive bombs, but bombs with bacteriological weapons. The war would end immediately. The Prime Minister of England would not be afraid to use any weapon if the foot of a fascist soldier entered the land of England. And the Nazis were afraid to conduct a land war with England. Fascists are aggressors, and any means and weapons would be suitable for their destruction. After the war, there were many prisoners of war in Leningrad, and for some reason we boys did not feel hatred for them, but we should. I will give information from my story "For the Good of the Fatherland", published in the Military Review. In 1582, Ivan the Terrible forbade the Russian governors A. Zakryazhniy and K. Onichkov to take prisoners of the Finns, Swedes, and Germans during their attack on the Northern Lands and the Solovetsky Monastery. This sobered the aggressors. The government must be able to defend its people and territory.
  20. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 21 September 2013 14: 20
    +3
    The further the years of the most inhuman war go, the more all kinds of "research" appear, where the role of the Red Army is belittled, and the crimes of the Wehrmacht are not mentioned. Our people know the real cost of war and cannot be fooled. But Western society is being harshly treated with lies and deceit. This creates a negative image of the Red Army soldier. There is only one way out, intelligibly to convey to the Western listener and viewer the truth about the past war. Remind the inhuman essence of fascist Germany and its leaders.
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 07: 17
      0
      And THIS POLAND is the shooting of the Poles
  21. Bagatur
    Bagatur 21 September 2013 16: 01
    +2
    What they wanted and got! That's it! There is nothing Russia for which forgiveness was beating ... they stood by a Gansky in their own homeland and did not dig coal in Siberia ...
  22. Uhe
    Uhe 21 September 2013 17: 06
    +3
    But after the war, the GDR became the most reliable ally of the USSR. But Humpbacked with his gang of this ally betrayed and sold to the bourgeoisie. Unfortunately, the events of the end of the 8th century were repeated when the Slavic clan of encouraged sided with the Franks (also a Germanic tribe) due to a stupid insult and hit the Saxons who were not their only allies with their former tribal allies (Slavic-Saka state) but also had one faith. Since then, our enmity with the Germans began.

    Thanks to Stalin and the feat of the entire Soviet people, we had the opportunity to extend the new German-Slavic alliance for centuries, and we again betrayed. It's a shame, a shame and a shame for our princes, both past and present.
    1. bwo
      bwo 22 September 2013 14: 29
      +1
      "The GDR has become the most reliable ally of the USSR."
      Yes, you throw these propaganda nonsense. The vast majority slept and saw, as it were, topple to the west. The Berlin Wall was simply built from nothing to do?
  23. Day 11
    Day 11 21 September 2013 19: 09
    0
    No need, men, for one comb! We need to try to figure it out. Here’s the GSS (Yakov Ivanovich Antonov from the 25th IAP), shot down by Gollob (with time we’ll take this brow apart) --- August 25, 1942 Antonov, performing a cover mission attack of a German airfield near Mozdok, was shot down. According to Soviet documents, it was killed. In fact, shot down by the commander of the 77th German fighter squadron (JG 77), Major Gordon Gollob, Antonov jumped with a parachute, landed successfully and was taken prisoner. according to one, was transferred to a prisoner of war camp near Mozdok, according to others He fled plena.O his fate is not known.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 21 September 2013 19: 39
      -11 qualifying.
      What did I want to say? - The men from the Luffts (ordinary German guys) NEVER engaged in such a fuck! (To humiliate the beaten) -They were fighters!
      1. George
        George 21 September 2013 21: 11
        +6
        You are so categorical, and when did you capture a pilot who shot down a couple of German guys?


        Denis, I won’t say it for all the Luffts, but these ordinary German guys carried pillars of guns and machine guns to refugees to feathers and feathers.
        Of course, they were honest, but the result was the same for all, both the good and the bad.
        Sincerely. hi
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 22 September 2013 04: 40
          -2
          Yura, I dare say that the vast majority of Luffts were noble (elite). I don’t argue, there were ghouls (Rudel), but the overwhelming majority were normal. You give an example of the shooting of columns of refugees, I can give a very, very low act on the part of our "Stalin's Falcons" as the execution of knocked down German pilots who jumped out with a parachute, and in their memoirs they do not even hesitate to write this (the Germans never). Shall we argue? About Antonov, he was mentioned by Galland in his book. After the air battle (when he was captured ) the Germans treated him with due respect, provided the first medical aid, allocated a bed-place. And, in contrast, how did our people react to Mueller (who is a pilot)? That's it. And remember the story with Bader (English pilot who fought no legs) No, it was ELITE, and don't label me a fascist.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 22 September 2013 05: 02
            +2
            Here is another photo of Antonov in captivity
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 22 September 2013 05: 49
              +3
              I understand very well-EVERYTHING we grew up in Soviet films and books. But there the lie was mixed up with the truth. The time has come to rake it all. Remember (and if you don’t know, search on the internet) the commander of the S-7 GSS Lisin, who was captured. he was treated badly there (certainly not the resorts of Abkhazia, but still ...)? After his release, he (after verification) again served in the Navy
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 22 September 2013 06: 20
                -1
                And one more thing: Count the number of German pilots who were members of the NSDAP and ours in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Many things will become clear to you. With respect to all forum users hi
                1. novobranets
                  novobranets 22 September 2013 10: 06
                  -1
                  For all my hatred of fascism (anyone), in fairness, I must admit, in the Luftwaffe, before and during the war, anyone could not get into. Only aristocrats, all sorts of backgrounds and barons, educated people and mostly noble people got into flying schools. There were also rare bastards ... ki, shooting columns of refugees, but now not about them. The percentage of pilots who were in the NSDAP was the lowest in the Wehrmacht, for which the Fuehrer repeatedly reproached Goering. At one time, I read a lot of the memoirs of our and German pilots. By the way, in a narrow circle, German pilots did not show respect for the "idiot corporal". hi
                  1. WW3
                    WW3 22 September 2013 21: 16
                    +5
                    Quote: novobranets
                    For all my hatred of fascism (anyone), in fairness, I must admit, in the Luftwaffe, before and during the war, anyone could not get in. Only aristocrats, all kinds of backgrounds and barons, educated and mostly noble people fell into flight schools.

                    In the SS, too, until 1944 only trusted personnel were taken.
                    Whom are you trying to bleach, they bombed as many Soviet objects on the territory of the USSR, especially at the beginning of the war, as there were losses among civilians as well.
                    The enemy is the enemy. Look at the frames of the bombing and rewarding who performed.
                    1. novobranets
                      novobranets 23 September 2013 16: 55
                      -2
                      I'm not trying to whiten anyone, think that write.
            2. Day 11
              Day 11 22 September 2013 06: 40
              +1
              Another Soviet pilot Jr. Lieutenant in captivity
            3. Lech from ZATULINKI
              Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 06: 55
              +2
              Yes, this photo did not flash anywhere
            4. novobranets
              novobranets 22 September 2013 09: 42
              +4
              This photo was taken while Antonov was still at the German airfield (in the background there is a "laptezhnik"), the buttonholes and orders were not torn off, which gives reason to believe that the pilots treated the prisoner with respect. But it's scary to think what happened to Antonov when he fell into the clutches of the Gestapo. Eternal memory to the hero.
          2. George
            George 22 September 2013 14: 08
            +6
            Denis, you didn’t pay attention to that. If a war starts, I will not care (especially in battle) what moral qualities the enemy has.
            The German pilots shot our ambulance trains, I suppose they weren’t particularly tormented by their conscience, and you told me about the shooting of German pilots outside of airplanes.
            Anyway, Denis, our argument is about nothing. I do not deny that among the German soldiers and officers there were decent people, but they would sit at home, they would be more whole and noble. And so who fertilized the earth, who in the columns of prisoners of war paraded in Moscow.
            Quote: Den 11
            and don’t hang me as a fascist.

            This is generally what
      2. drop
        drop 22 September 2013 13: 58
        +6
        Let me disagree with you. These were not fighters, but monsters and murderers. You have not seen how these scum shot barges and small steamers carrying red crosses on Ladoga in September-October, because they were taking children out of Leningrad. You have not seen how children's panamas and hats floated to the shore after their shooting of sanitary ships. These monsters had to be destroyed and in no case taken prisoner. The pilots of the Leningrad and Volkhov fronts did just that. They shot parachutes with fascist pilots in the air. Read the article "Crisis Month in the Defense of the City" and the novel "Ice Wall". These monsters who attacked our country could not be left alive, even in captivity.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 22 September 2013 14: 38
          -6
          Well, why did you write this? And ours, then, just took revenge. Remind you who drowned Marinesco? The liner was unarmed and walked under the red cross. Only without emotion (ПЖЛСТ)
          1. Eugene
            Eugene 22 September 2013 15: 02
            +3
            Comrade, we didn’t invite them to visit! And that’s it. That’s what they expelled and destroyed at any cost! Anyone ... We would have sat in Dresden and Berlin, nothing would have happened.
          2. drop
            drop 22 September 2013 16: 23
            +2
            Let me tell you that it is not. Marinesco drowned the enemy, honor and glory to him. I researched this problem, and in my youth served as a midshipman at the Ural minefield. And in the story "Mosquitoes" and the story "The First Attack" I tried to tell how our heroic ancestors and my friends beat the Nazis. I worked with many, creating military equipment for the army and navy. It was impossible to give them mercy, it was necessary to destroy everyone, as our ancestors did when defending the Solovetsky Monastery.
        2. George
          George 22 September 2013 14: 39
          +4
          I agree with you, Yuri Grigoryevich, there were plenty of cattle among them.
          It was not a knightly duel, but a war of annihilation, so talk of morality sounds blasphemous to all those who died.
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 22 September 2013 15: 11
            +2
            Quote: GEORGE
            It was not a knightly duel, but a war of extermination

            Quite rightly. Whatever they were, they came to our house, with the war. And got what they deserve.
        3. kush62
          kush62 22 September 2013 19: 29
          0
          I apologize . Drop, instead of plus minasanul. They did not have to be taken prisoner either.
          1. drop
            drop 22 September 2013 20: 31
            +1
            I think so too. And at the very beginning of the war, in August 1941, when long-range aviation of the KBF bombed Berlin, it was necessary to drop not high-explosive bombs, but others. To destroy all these monsters. I.V. Stalin felt sorry for them, as did Mannerheim.
  24. galiullinrasim
    galiullinrasim 21 September 2013 19: 29
    0
    Quote: colonel
    In the seventh minute of the plot, a starley, Hero of the Soviet Union, appears in the frame. This is Vladimir Karpov, the reconnaissance platoon commander. At one time he was convicted, was in camps, after a letter to Kalinin he got to the front as a private, took more than 50 "languages". Future author of books about Marshal Zhukov, General Petrov, Generalissimo Stalin. The last who headed the USSR Writers' Union. The episode with the prisoners is described by him in his autobiographical novel "Take it alive". I adore this person.

    they put him in prison for feeding the newspaper article how much Lenin and Stalin were mentioned. but generally legendary people worship him.
  25. wandlitz
    wandlitz 21 September 2013 21: 04
    +6
    After military service, he worked for three years as a freak in the GSVG. Often went to one goschett, was familiar with some of the Germans. In 1984, he was 79 years old. Of all the Germans I knew, he was the oldest. He talked about how he fought, was drafted into the 42, and in the 43 he was captured. Prior to 46, he worked at a mine in Kopeysk.
    And I told him: “So my father began his career as a miner in Kopeisk from the 1948 year.” He responded to me in Russian: “O-O countryman.” After all the time his countryman called me. I called him "Grandfather." Ewald recalled: “When the prisoners at the mine exceeded the norm, they were given extra ration for this. But to your civilian population, who worked at the mine, no one gave anything. Russians ate worse than prisoners. I respect your people. You are not vindictive. ” Most of the captured Germans worked in the Union, it seems, until the 1949 year, the latter were sent home as early as the 1956 year.
    In 1947, in our region, my mother told me, no less people died from hunger than during the whole war. A crop failure occurred and there was not enough food. The prisoners were fed. Of course we are not vindictive. This is only ovish propaganda represents us like that.
  26. Glory333
    Glory333 21 September 2013 22: 02
    0
    "From 1941 to 1945, 6 million Red Army soldiers were captured by the Germans, of whom approximately 630 survived until the end of the war." - The death toll is greatly overestimated.

    According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, published in 2005, during the Great Patriotic War, a total of 4,559 million Soviet troops were captured [45].
    According to the military historian M. V. Filimoshin, during the Great Patriotic War, 4,559 million Soviet troops and 500 thousand liable for military service, called up for mobilization, but not yet enlisted, were captured and missing [46].
    According to historian G.F. Krivosheev, during the Great Patriotic War, 3 military personnel were missing and captured [396]. Of these, 400 troops returned, and did not return (died or emigrated) - 45.

    The Germans released hundreds of thousands of prisoners of war (mainly residents of Ukraine), hundreds of thousands went to serve in the Wehrmacht or the army of Vlasov, after the war, many emigrated. My acquaintance, my grandfather was captured, later he went to the agricultural work from the camp, after the war he remained in Germany voluntarily, returned to the USSR in 1955.
  27. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 22 September 2013 02: 14
    +1
    I believe that the Soviet Captivity made it possible for Germany to survive in this meat grinder, looked at the cost of living of a German prisoner of war, and compared it with our modern food products, the conclusion is that our pensioners are the losers, sorry I can’t post the data
  28. Day 11
    Day 11 22 September 2013 06: 31
    -3
    I'll post just interesting pictures. Without comments
    1. Yazov
      Yazov 22 September 2013 11: 30
      +1
      The meaning of this photo? What is it for? What about tanks article? What's interestnig?
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 22 September 2013 11: 33
        +1
        The meaning is simple --- a captured Soviet soldier and a German (fascist) are discussing hits in KV-1. What is unclear here? Tell me an ordinary photo ???
        1. Stas57
          Stas57 22 September 2013 15: 22
          0
          The meaning is simple --- a captured Soviet soldier and a German (fascist) are discussing hits in KV-1. What is unclear here? Tell me an ordinary photo ???

          and how did you determine that it was a prisoner? Left German, Right in a jacket with side pockets, in boots, if not a marriage photo, then the clock is visible, a German is most likely
  29. Day 11
    Day 11 22 September 2013 06: 35
    +1
    Search of the Red Army
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 22 September 2013 06: 42
      -1
      You understand everything
      1. Lech from ZATULINKI
        Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 11: 33
        0
        Jacob DZHUGASHVILI died unable to withstand the conditions of the captivity of the Germans, shot dead by a German sentry allegedly while trying to escape.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 22 September 2013 11: 37
          0
          This is one of the versions.
        2. POBEDA
          POBEDA 22 September 2013 12: 45
          +1
          This is very doubtful! If the Germans got him alive and healthy, they would have blown dust off him and if they hadn’t changed, they would have arranged such a PR campaign, and only one photo ... Something is unclean here ...
          1. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 22 September 2013 13: 49
            +1
            So the PR company was. The Germans dropped these pictures from planes. Dust particles were also blown away at first, but Jacob did not cooperate. Rushed to the barbed wire
  30. Day 11
    Day 11 22 September 2013 06: 45
    0
    But the fate of this person is not enviable (political instructor)
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 06: 51
      0
      and I will post other pictures about the Germans, look carefully and draw conclusions

      nemchura before the execution of civilians
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 22 September 2013 09: 15
        -1
        Again, the same hackneyed question --- Are they Germans ??? Why do you all think the Germans are people who dressed their uniforms (by the way in this photo you can’t make out anything at all) nonsense?
        1. Lech from ZATULINKI
          Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 09: 32
          0
          Dear DEN, most of these photos are laid out from the archives of German soldiers, the question is of course battered.
          Of course, I would like to be present at every such action in order to collect irrefutable evidence of the crimes of the Germans, but you understand that you can’t bring anything apart from the pictures, because the executioners and the victims are long dead and that means you can question these things.
  31. Day 11
    Day 11 22 September 2013 06: 47
    +2
    Here is a rare photo. This is a steel bib (CH-42)
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 06: 53
      0
      such pictures are full in the archives of German soldiers and officers
  32. Day 11
    Day 11 22 September 2013 06: 52
    +1
    In battle. Very (I would say) honest photo
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 06: 59
      0
      our soldier who died captive by the Germans - our prisoners of war are buried in haste
    2. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 07: 01
      0
      here is a nonsense in the Jewish synagogue
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 22 September 2013 09: 10
        0
        No comments
  33. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 06: 54
    +1
    good German soldaten hangs a girl and a boy.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 22 September 2013 08: 50
      -3
      German???
  34. Day 11
    Day 11 22 September 2013 06: 57
    -1
    No need to explain
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 07: 03
      +2
      there is no need to explain here either - people are driven to death (and civilians)
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 22 September 2013 08: 42
        -4
        Alexei, why did you decide that in this photo people are driven to death? Is it so signed?
        1. Lech from ZATULINKI
          Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 09: 22
          +4
          Dan - ADOLF SCHIKLGRUBER resolved the issue of these people in a radical way, and knowing the pedantry and determination of the Germans, there is no doubt where these people ended up.
        2. Stas57
          Stas57 22 September 2013 10: 22
          +3
          are there six-pointed stars visible, or do you think they are driven to a free distribution of gold bullion?
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 22 September 2013 08: 46
        -2
        By the way, if you look closely you can see that this is CRIPO
        1. Lech from ZATULINKI
          Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 09: 25
          +2
          That's right. And the SS Obergruppenführer and police general Arthur Nebe headed this structure.
          The Gestapo was a very serious organization, the elite of the REICH police car.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 22 September 2013 09: 39
            -2
            Alexei, don’t confuse (sorry for you, you can pull me to understand, no offense) Gestapo (secret state police) and Kripo (Criminal police in Germany). In this photo Kripo
      3. Lech from ZATULINKI
        Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 09: 21
        +3
        Dan, well, you understand what kind of people they are and you probably know what year and place.
        The fate of these people is tragic and only a few survived.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 22 September 2013 09: 32
          0
          Adeksey, I can’t upload photos at work right now (as our admins did), but I can debate. Do you agree with me that the Luffts, for the most part, weren’t a bastard? And they tried to conduct air battles until the end of the 44th - honest?
          1. Lech from ZATULINKI
            Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 09: 52
            +2
            LYUFTVAFE DEN pilots are not sinless - the British at one time secretly listened to the conversations of captured LUFTVAFE pilots, and so the Germans laid out their stories about the targeted bombing and shelling of the CIVIL POPULATION, not only in RUSSIA but also in LONDON.

            Of course there were among German pilots and normal people who were not deprived of soldier's honor but they did not play the weather - the bombing of cities in RUSSIA was massive and brought a lot of grief and death among the civilian population.
            Remember, though, massive air raids on residential quarters of STALINGRAD.
            (VERY MANY PEOPLE DIED)
    2. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 07: 07
      +1
      this morel traitor has already lit up in one photo.


      look further about the good German Wehrmacht
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 22 September 2013 08: 43
        -7
        Are you sure this is Hans? Personally, I-no
        1. Lech from ZATULINKI
          Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 09: 17
          +3
          Den is the Germans - at one time I climbed German soldiers and officers through photo archives in addition to simple pictures, sometimes very unpleasant pictures that fall under war crimes come across.
        2. Lena
          Lena 16 October 2013 23: 52
          0
          it’s clear that the fascists.
  35. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 07: 09
    +1
    another photo from the archive of a German officer
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 22 September 2013 08: 45
      0
      Here the Germans agree. But this photo is nothing. Even it makes no sense to comment
  36. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 07: 11
    +2
    HERE HOW THE GERMANS HAVE FUN BEFORE SHOTING CIVIL PEOPLE
  37. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 07: 14
    0
    but after the massacre - mostly DEAD WOMEN
  38. Stasi
    Stasi 22 September 2013 09: 15
    +4
    Reading various articles of German newspapers, you involuntarily come to the conclusion that a policy of revanchism is being carried out in Germany. The West as such did not forgive us the victory over Hitler. According to the idea of ​​Western analysts, we had to break Hitler with such losses that we ourselves would survive it for a short time. But it did not work out, we survived and rebuilt the country. Soon we will see how the Germans will openly claim us for the victory and will blame us for the death of German prisoners. Interestingly, the article writes about German prisoners of war in Soviet camps, but nowhere else have I read an article about German prisoners of war in the camps of Anglo-Americans. But it was not easy for them there either, only as in Germany and in the West in general, they prefer to hush up this topic and speak the Germans in Russian captivity.
  39. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 22 September 2013 10: 46
    +2
    I read that the Romanian and Hungarian units were especially cruel, although the fighters were not very
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 22 September 2013 10: 57
      -4
      The Hungarians (Magyars), by the way, were normal with the locals. But the Romanians are pi..ts! In Odessa they committed atrocities -...! I read, I know. And you all drag in to the Hans! Once again, they were bastards and they all
      1. svp67
        svp67 22 September 2013 12: 19
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        The Hungarians (Magyars), by the way, were normal with the locals. But the Romanians are pi..ts! In Odessa they committed atrocities -...! I read, I know. And you all drag in to the Hans! Once again, they were bastards and they all

        Yes, the Hungarians are far from being "Angels of God", of all this "multilingualism", somehow the Slovaks were hardly marked for the worse ...
        Here is info about Hungarians
        http://yablor.ru/blogs/o-prestupleniyah-vengerskih-voysk-na-territorii-ss/564640


        http://www.km.ru/front-projects/krestovyi-pokhod-zapada-protiv-rossii/vengerskie
        -voyaki-schastlivy-chto-unichtozhaem-

        And here's another
        So General Messe, even created his qualification for atrocities and had the following gradation of cruelty to the local population: “1st place - Russian White Guards; 2nd place - Germans; 3rd place - Romanians; 4th place - Finns; 5th place - Hungarians; 6th place - Italians. "
      2. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 22 September 2013 18: 51
        +1
        Den 11 "The Hungarians (Magyars), by the way, treated the locals normally. But the Romanians are pi..ts! In Odessa they committed atrocities ..."
        At least a strange statement. Hungarians were distinguished by fierce hatred of the Russians. Residents of the Voronezh province I think this is now remembered. I heard from the veterans myself.
        But the Romanians ... robbed how much in vain ... even the civilian rugs were taken from the civilians. In Odessa, the Jewish population was preserved due to the fact that the city was in the hands of the Romanians, and not Deutsche. And there were enough of them. Or is this fact unknown to you?
  40. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 22 September 2013 11: 11
    +4
    As it is not sad, our former compatriots, former servicemen of the RED ARMY (of different nationalities), who were also offended by the Soviet government for various reasons, were also distinguished by special cruelty to the civilian population, as well as people who are simply mentally unhealthy and, due to circumstances, who came to the service of the Germans.

    The well-known Khatyn where small children and women were brutally condemned was done by police (former military personnel of the RED ARMY), the truth on the orders of the German command for the murder of partisans by a German officer.
    What I especially did not like was the silence in the USSR about the individuals who committed this atrocity. (Damned international political correctness)
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 22 September 2013 11: 44
      +1
      To be fair, the Kaminskites were not too cruel. Do you know how they executed 2 Hans for raping a local girl? The burgomaster could not "smear" them
    2. svp67
      svp67 22 September 2013 11: 53
      +2
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      What I especially did not like was the silence in the USSR about the individuals who committed this atrocity. (Damned international political correctness)


      So let’s now announce at least some of them who we managed to identify

      Only after the collapse of the USSR and the heroization of criminals in the former republics of the USSR (Ukraine, the Baltic states) were the names of the criminals made public. They wore a dark green uniform, on the buttonholes - the SS sign, on the cap - a cockade with a skull, on the sleeve - an eagle. Khatyn was burned by the Ukrainian police of the 118th SS police battalion, the so-called “Shutzmanns” (battalion commander Smokovsky, chief of staff Grigory Vasyura), together with the Ukrainian company (company commander Ivan Melnichenko) of the Dirlivanger penal battalion. We will name the names of those who fell into the hands of Belarusian justice and told the world during interrogations a terrible picture of the tragedy of peaceful peasants of the village of Khatyn on March 22, 1943.

      The 118th Ukrainian police battalion of Hryhoriy Vasyury:
      1) O.F. Canan
      2) I.D. Petrichuk
      3) S.P. Mouse
      4) T.P. Topchech
      5) S.V. Sahno
      6) P.F. Jeba
      7) G.V. Spivak
      8) G. Drumich (M. Yankovsky)
      9) S.A. Horseradish
      10) N.I. Savchenko
      11) G.G. Laskuta
      12) I.M. Lozinsky
      13) M.D. Trigger
      14) V.A. Meleshko
      15) M.I. Hoptenz

      The company of Ivan Melnichenko of the Dirlivanger Penal Battalion:
      1) A.S. Stopchenko
      2) M.V. Maidanov
      3) S.A. Shinkevich
      4) V.R. Zayviy
      5) F.F. Grabovsky
      6) L.A. Sahno
      7) I.S. Pugachev
      8) V.A. Yalinsky
      9) I.E. Tupiga
      10) G.A. Kiriyenko
      11) A.E. Katryuk
      12) A.B. Radkovsky

      http://1941-1945.at.ua/publ/gorkaja_pravda_kto_zhe_szheg_khatyn/1-1-0-79
  41. serge
    serge 22 September 2013 18: 30
    +6
    The human losses of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War were, according to various estimates, from 25 to 27 million people. At the same time, combat losses did not exceed 7 million people. So the fascists did not just come to "destroy houses". They systematically and deliberately killed the civilian population. 8 million people were taken to Germany as slaves. Every fourth of them died in slavery. After this genocide, the attitude towards German prisoners in the USSR can only be assessed as incredibly humane. At the same time, none of the civilian Germans was driven into slavery in the USSR and died in the process. It is phenomenal arrogance to discuss the mythical hardships of German prisoners of war.
  42. rodevaan
    rodevaan 23 September 2013 07: 56
    +6
    Quote: Nagaibak
    Den 11 "The Hungarians (Magyars), by the way, treated the locals normally. But the Romanians are pi..ts! In Odessa they committed atrocities ..."
    At least a strange statement. Hungarians were distinguished by fierce hatred of the Russians. Residents of the Voronezh province I think this is now remembered. I heard from the veterans myself.
    But the Romanians ... robbed how much in vain ... even the civilian rugs were taken from the civilians. In Odessa, the Jewish population was preserved due to the fact that the city was in the hands of the Romanians, and not Deutsche. And there were enough of them. Or is this fact unknown to you?



    - That's right. I remember my grandmother told me - of all the cattle that were trampled against us by the very beast, there were Finns, SS men and Vlasov men. These were the most frostbitten. The Germans (not the SS, but the infantry units) could pass by the village and not kill anyone - if the Finns, the SS, or the ROA came, these people did not leave anyone alive. In the south, the Hungarians were the most frostbitten. Magyars were the most scum of all. Robbed, killed, raped just like that. Sixes - they are always bastard than the owners.
    These are warriors against real warriors, he was no one, just like the Romanians in general, but these attacks were easily fought with the civilian population!

    In general, it’s time for our idiotic modern population to understand long ago that the Westoids are our main enemy! They, and not we, always came to ruin other people's houses. This enemy has been and will always be, until either we destroy them or they us. We will NEVER be together, because these savages already have subconscious hatred for us.

    Fritz is a nation that has always positioned itself as highly educated and civilized! How can a nation call itself civilized when its representatives acted in the occupied territories of Belarus, Russia and Ukraine as real subhuman savages? How can they be called civilized when they did this here? This is not a civilized nation, but a horde of wild nonhumans, which, in fairness themselves, had to be driven into the oven without a hitch and exterminated to the last, after what they created with us.

    Let these bastards say thank you to the kind and humane grandfather Stalin, who did not allow the Red Army to make just retribution for everything that these Western-minded subhuman people did to us, and not to wipe this people constantly unleashing world wars from the face of the earth ... And unlike them, we Russians could easily do this.
    But our people are great in that we forgive our original enemies all that is possible and that is impossible, generating even more hatred for ourselves.
  43. mithridate
    mithridate 23 September 2013 19: 26
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    even say thank you, that we treated them captive in a human way, and not like them, in a bestial way
  44. Garrym
    Garrym 23 September 2013 21: 31
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    Something recently beginning to forget who is the winner of the Second World War. The peekers there too ..
  45. albanech
    albanech 24 September 2013 13: 15
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    After reading the comments, I saw that there are people who believe that the Wehrmacht, the SS are just soldiers, not bastards! One gets the impression that not only Soviet people are commenting here, but also the relatives of those German officers who previously served in Nazi Germany. As for the Magyars, Romanians - I will say the following, I once had to work in Hungary (I will not explain) and I saw how in small towns there are still monuments to the Hungarian wars as part of the SS, the Wehrmacht, there are graves with similar monuments! Now the Hungarian people still do not like Russians, and I had to introduce myself as a citizen of England and Belgium. Of course, not only the war left such a stamp on the people, but also the Soviet events. The Romanians were softer than the Germans and Magyars - "... cowardly bastards ..." so they were called. According to eyewitnesses of those events, the Magyars (cartridges with the letter "M") were a merciless beast, unlike the Germans and Romanians. Although they are all bastards of that guild. I want to say that it is we who are to judge them, seek and punish them for war crimes!
  46. Lena
    Lena 17 October 2013 01: 42
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    I advise you to read the book "So I have arrived at the end of the world", there are documents, memoirs of former German prisoners of war, memories of camp workers and simply peaceful Russian people about the time when the Germans were in our camps in the Vologda region (this area is all in camps, and colonies ), the Russians treated them much better than they did with ours - this is written by the prisoners of war themselves and our women who had someone who died in the war fed them and gave them clothes. And these are our people-RUSSIANS. there are a lot of documents with interrogations in which The prisoners of war tell how they mocked, raped and killed our children, women and everyone, how the Jews were destroyed. The hair moves on our heads. It would seem that we should hate them, but the women pitied and fed the non-humans. All the same, the Russian villager has it - pity, compassion. there were no fascists. there are also among the prisoners of war those who refused to return to Germany, remained here. in general it is interesting to read.