Ukrainian pilots tested light attack aircraft EMB-314 Super Tucano

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Ukraine is still considering the purchase of the Embraer EBN-314 Super Tucano light turboprop attack aircraft for the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU). According to Military Aviation, Ukrainian pilots made several familiarization flights on these aircraft.

Ukrainian pilots tested light attack aircraft EMB-314 Super Tucano




An APU delegation arrived in Portugal this week, where Ukrainian pilots were able to test the Embraer EBN-314 Super Tucano Brazilian light turbo-propeller attack aircraft at an aerodrome in the Lisbon area, making several flights on them. This is the second "acquaintance" of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces with light attack aircraft, in early August this year, a delegation of the Air Force visited Brazil, where the commander of the aircraft flew on this aircraft.

According to Ukrainian media, the Armed Forces Armed Forces command is seriously considering the purchase of Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano turboprop combat training aircraft in Brazil. The Ukrainian delegation in August of this year even visited the Brazilian São Paulo in order to get acquainted with the Brazilian plane. Then it was reported that the delegation had preliminary negotiations with the leadership of the military division of the Brazilian company Embraer. The negotiation issue is the possibility of acquiring the Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano turboprop combat training aircraft.

The details of the negotiations were not disclosed, however, it is known that Ukraine intends to purchase aircraft through the United States and through American funding under the same program under which these aircraft were delivered to Afghanistan, Lebanon and Nigeria.

A-29 Super Tucano is a multi-purpose light attack aircraft developed by the Brazilian company Embraer based on the EMB-314 Super Tucano TCB. The maximum take-off mass of the aircraft is 5200 kg, the wingspan is 11,14 m, the engine power is 1x1600 hp, the maximum speed is 590 km / h, the practical range is 1330 km, the practical ceiling is 10670 m, the crew is 2 people. Armed with two built-in 12,7-mm machine guns, it can carry guided and unguided missiles and bombs on suspensions.
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  1. +18
    October 20 2019
    So I understand that here the key importance is not the LTH of this aircraft, but
    Ukraine intends to purchase aircraft through the United States and through American funding under the same program under which these aircraft were delivered to Afghanistan, Lebanon and Nigeria.
    1. +13
      October 20 2019
      Ukraine by freebie cannot pass by definition.
      1. +2
        October 20 2019
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Ukraine by freebie cannot pass by definition.

        Then can they test the IL-2 by removing them from the monuments?
        1. +1
          October 20 2019
          Let them fly, the Americans will not give a lot of money anyway.
        2. +14
          October 20 2019
          Quote: Marconi41

          Then can they test the IL-2 by removing them from the monuments?

          Nefig them to dirty the legend with their sticky tentacles ...
        3. +6
          October 20 2019
          Quote: Marconi41
          Then can they test the IL-2 by removing them from the monuments?

          Many people mistakenly look at the A-29 almost as an analogue of the Il-2, but this is not so. In fact, this aircraft should be viewed as an example of the now popular "manned UAV" concept. That is, a medium-altitude platform with a good optoelectronic complex for reconnaissance, observation and target designation, plus a good set of guided weapons, suitable for use from high altitudes (UAB) and ranges (Hellfire and APKWS). Having a crew there is also only a plus for flexibility. When loitering at some distance from the line of contact with the enemy, such a platform is practically invulnerable from massive short-range air defense systems (MANPADS, ZPU, ZA), forcing the enemy to use full-fledged short / medium-range air defense systems to counter it - of which a) the number is limited; b) which cannot be pulled too close to the front line because of their vulnerability - from the same artillery and MLRS; c) the deployment of which in the Donbas near the front line is politically limited. At the same time, there are essentially no restrictions for shooting with A-29 Hellfires or 70-mm high-precision APKWS from a distance of several kilometers.
          1. +2
            October 20 2019
            Inside the cab.
          2. 0
            October 20 2019
            Toucan does not have guided air-to-ground missiles. Only two short-range air-to-air missiles. Its main purpose as an attack aircraft is counter-guerrilla warfare. But not as assault actions in the front line area. There is no armor, the aiming range of the 70-mm NAR is about 3,5 km (this is still very optimistic).
            1. +1
              October 20 2019
              A-29s are modern turboprop vehicles and they can be very effective against all sorts of paramilitary groups, and in the air they can successfully fight against UAVs and combat helicopters. It surpasses the latter by a head in terms of climb rate, steady turn rate and maximum flight speed. The A-29 is planned to be equipped with Hellfire, which has a range of up to 11 km at the moment. For example, in Iraq, the Cessna AC-208B Combat Caravan turboprop carried the main burden of the aircraft defeat of ISIS units before the United States intervened in the matter. Hundreds of "Helfaers" left. Perhaps you will be interested in this: "Tukanoclass"
              https://topwar.ru/96842-tukanoklass.html
      2. +2
        October 20 2019
        For this "freebie", the newly-minted "brothers-in-arms" will take out the payment together with the entrails, they will not frown.
    2. +3
      October 20 2019
      An aircraft’s flight characteristics are sufficient if the enemy has only MANPADS from air defense systems or mainly MANPADS, from which it is not easy to hit a light piston airplane.
      1. +19
        October 20 2019
        For a moment, IT'S NOT PISTON! And the GOS SEES it just like any turboprop.
        1. -12
          October 20 2019
          Misspelled. Screw of course.
          He sees, but, for example, the pilot saw the start of the MANPADS, or visually or the SPRN worked, dropped the gas to zero and plans further, or into a shallow dive, and what will happen to the GOS MANPADS?
          Right, lose the target.
          1. +11
            October 20 2019
            Quote: Avior
            Right, lose the target

            Will not lose. The engine will not cool in five seconds. And such slow goals are quite achievable from ZSU.
            Ukrolitakam just no longer shines. They have complete modern aviation ... Well, you understand.
            And then something like that, with bombs. Which is hard to shoot down from Kalash.
            1. -4
              October 20 2019
              I don’t boom that they will eat, they are very expensive, despite the look of the airplanes.
              In Ukraine, it has been already 5 years that they decide whether to buy Chinese supersonic Chinese L-15s with Ukrainian engines, which are almost the same in cost, and have not been bought so far, and with these 10 years more discussions.
              As for MANPADS, it’s non-reactive anyway, there is no heated nozzle, when the gas is discharged, the temperature will drop sharply if traps or other means are used against IR guidance — the chance of survival is higher than that of the reactive one.
              And as for the speed - during an attack, the attack aircraft is small, and the approach to the target can be at a height inaccessible to small-caliber ZSU
              1. +11
                October 20 2019
                Quote: Avior
                As for MANPADS, it’s non-reactive anyway, there is no heated nozzle, when the gas is discharged, the temperature will drop sharply if traps or other means are used against IR guidance — the chance of survival is higher than that of the reactive one.

                Judging by your logic, a helicopter cannot be shot down from MANPADS, but the reality is a little different.
              2. +7
                October 20 2019
                when the gas is released, the temperature drops sharply
                will fall, but not in a few seconds or minutes and a half. And not to a temperature close to air temperature. Even with good airflow.
                The EMB-314 Super Tucano plane is good ... a good counterguerrilla plane .. when the partisans have nothing but small arms for air defense.
                But I have big doubts about its effectiveness, given the presence of the Strela-10 SAM system and the OCA in the militia.
                1. 0
                  October 20 2019
                  Quote: Servisinzhener
                  But I have big doubts about its effectiveness, given the presence of the Strela-10 SAM system and the OCA in the militia.


                  "Tucano" is able to use guided bombs from a height unattainable for MANPADS.
            2. +3
              October 20 2019
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              They have complete modern aviation ... Well, you understand.

              To combat civilians, such aircraft will do. The Ukrainian army is not capable of more.
          2. +11
            October 20 2019
            Quote: Avior
            for example, did the pilot see the start of the MANPADS or visually or the SPRN worked, dropped the gas to zero and plans further, or into a shallow dive, and what will happen to the GOS MANPADS?

            ========
            The same as with the TURBOJET aircraft !!! "Dive" smoothly turning into "hard landing" (in the sense of "face about the table!").
            "Planning" ??? fool Have you tried to calculate WHAT wing load on the "Toucan" ??? No? So - at least more than 200 kg / sq.m !!! With such wing loading and landing speed of approx. 200 km / h - he to plan It will be like BRICK!!! hi
            1. -8
              October 20 2019
              The turbojet has a red-hot nozzle open, in fact, the turboprop, as I understand it, the most heated parts of the engine are covered.
              He does not need to plan for hours, two to three seconds on discharged gas, and the simultaneous use of interference against infrared guidance.
              1. +7
                October 20 2019
                Quote: Avior
                turboprop, as I understand it, the warmest parts of the engine are covered

                yes why? The TVD also has outward nozzles
                1. +5
                  October 20 2019
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  turboprop, as I understand it, the warmest parts of the engine are covered
                  yes why? The TVD also has outward nozzles

                  =========
                  Gregory! It's just that "comrade (Sergey, aka Avior) - DOESN'T UNDERSTAND" (!) WHAT a turbojet engine differs from a turboprop !!!
                  1. 0
                    October 20 2019
                    I understand perfectly. And I missed it through my hands — back in Soviet times, I worked at an aircraft engine factory, where they produced both theater and turbojet engines.
                2. +2
                  October 20 2019
                  Quote: Gregory_45

                  yes why? The TVD also has outward nozzles

                  The PT-6 is a little trickier.

                  Outside, only a relatively cold exhaust is visible, but not a turbine and a compressor.
                  1. 0
                    October 20 2019
                    Quote: Avis-bis
                    The TP-6 ​​is a little trickier.

                    have you changed the principle of the construction and operation of the engine? After passing through the turbine, hot gases are also ejected through nozzles to the outside. To the heated nozzles and responds to the ICG seeker SAM

                    1. -2
                      October 20 2019
                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      Quote: Avis-bis
                      The TP-6 ​​is a little trickier.

                      have you changed the principle of the construction and operation of the engine? After passing through the turbine, hot gases are also ejected through nozzles to the outside. To the heated nozzles and responds to the ICG seeker SAM

                      She reacts to everything, not only to the nozzle and exhaust. Otherwise, IR-guided missiles would operate in the front hemisphere with the same efficiency as in the rear. And from the rear, the IR head sees through the Outlet much warmer parts of the engine.
                    2. -2
                      October 20 2019
                      First of all, on the temperature of the exhaust gases.
                      The temperature is only different for gases - a theater is noticeably lower, and the most heated parts of the engine are not visible in a theater.
                      The infrared visibility of a theater is lower than that of a turbojet engine, which essentially affects the likelihood of a capture failure.
                      Tukano needs to be compared in this regard with a helicopter, and unlike a helicopter, its speed is much higher, which means that the probability of capturing a seeker is lower.
                      1. -1
                        October 20 2019
                        Nonsense, from beginning to end. Better learn materiel, and do not powder brains to others
                      2. 0
                        October 20 2019
                        emotionally, but not informative.
                        I looked at the documentation for the AI-24 and AI-25 engines.
                        Indeed, the temperature at the turbine outlet of the turbine engine is noticeably lower.
              2. +3
                October 20 2019
                Quote: Avior
                He does not need to plan for hours, two to three seconds on discharged gas, and the simultaneous use of interference against infrared guidance.

                ========
                And what, a turbojet aircraft SO can not ??? fool laughing
                PS | About the "red-hot open nozzle" - Gregory-45 - explained in detail!
                PPS Sergey! Do not disgrace yourself on the site! If you don’t know or don’t understand something (everyone has “gaps in education”), then ask!
                It's not scary if a person doesn't know something. It is good if a person is convinced that he is right .... But when this conviction develops into "donkey stubbornness "is already bad!
                1. 0
                  October 21 2019
                  You are specifically right. A turbine engine, like a helicopter engine, has two turbines - not connected to each other. The so-called free turbine rotates the screw through the gearbox. (although this is not a law, there is a theater with a connected turbine). So, on take-off mode, the gas temperature in front of the turbine is 990 degrees (TV3-117), and on low gas it is 660. The gas seeker is all the same, 990 or 660. Of course, the output is noticeably lower, but still.
          3. +4
            October 20 2019
            Quote: Avior
            Right, lose the target

            Will not lose at all. GOS MANPADS operates in the infrared + photo contrast range, and there nothing depends on speed.
            1. -3
              October 20 2019
              photo contrast range

              I did not understand this. What kind of range is this?
              Is it a matrix, or what?
              1. +1
                October 20 2019
                Quote: Avior
                I did not understand this. What kind of range is this?

                ======
                Optical - contrasting (light or dark) target against a clear sky!
              2. +1
                October 21 2019
                This came from the very first: Arrow-1,2 and one of the modes 10. Roughly speaking, as the eye sees, highlighting a contrasting object against a uniform background. It is during cloud cover that guidance should be done at a sufficient distance from the cloud, etc.
                1. 0
                  October 21 2019
                  And didn’t she aim at the birds with such guidance? And didn’t the target exist if the color of the plane was not contrasted against the sky or cloud?
                  Modern ones obviously don’t.
                  1. +1
                    October 21 2019
                    The bird is very small, redirected to a more contrasting, in my eyes - to the cloud. The sky is still brighter, as the plane does not paint. Modern MANPADS already have several channels, so this problem remained only with old missiles.
            2. 0
              October 20 2019
              Quote: qqqq
              GOS MANPADS works in infrared + photo contrast range

              ========
              This was the case with the first Arrows. Now - already multispectral heads have gone - on "Verba" it seems like 2 IR + UV ranges. But the essence does not change from this - it WILL NOT MISS everything as one (unless on an ultra-small area behind folds or obstacles to hide) drinks
          4. 0
            October 20 2019
            Quote: Avior
            dropped gas to zero and plans further, or in a shallow dive, and what will happen to the GOS MANPADS?
            Right, lose the target

            will not lose. IK GOS leads a rocket to heat from the engine (or rather, to exhaust nozzles heated by the exhaust), but they do not cool down instantly. A turbojet engine is much hotter than a piston, and the head of the rocket sees it perfectly.
          5. +3
            October 20 2019
            Quote: Avior
            dropped gas to zero and plans further, or in a shallow dive, and what will happen to the GOS MANPADS?

            firstly, even if you turn off the fuel supply, the engine will not cool, and secondly
            SAM 9K38 "Needle"
            The complex is designed to destroy reactive, turboprop and propeller aircraft, as well as helicopters on the oncoming and catch-up courses in the conditions of natural (background) and artificial thermal noise with visual visibility of the target.
        2. +2
          October 20 2019
          Quote: 113262
          For a moment, IT'S NOT PISTON! And the GOS SEES it just like any turboprop.

          ======
          good Sorry, namesake! I did not read your comment - and inserted my 5 kopecks! drinks
      2. +6
        October 20 2019
        Quote: Avior
        lightweight piston airplane

        Ukrainian pilots were able to test the Brazilian lungs turboprops attack aircraft
        I don’t understand why they need Toucans? Embraer EMB-314s were used to fight Colombian drug lords, this is understandable. A modern jet plane has a high stall speed, and at high speed it is extremely problematic to see something in the jungle, which covers the entire earth. It was here that the stable horizontal flight of the Tukan at low speed came in handy. But what for is this ability on the vast plains of Ukraine? what Well, it is still possible to use it as a training one, but right now there are no Air Force pilots being taught there. request Unless to grab a freebie, and we’ll beat it up there, we can spray chickens with chickens.
        1. 0
          October 20 2019
          Pilots are taught, but as a training one they are not needed, of course.
          It is not jet, it is turboprop, it is an aircraft for specific tasks.
          On the other hand, the Chinese supersonic jet L-15 is not much different in price from the supertukano, and the engine on it is Ukrainian, so I doubt that Brazilians will buy in a significant amount
          1. 0
            October 20 2019
            Quote: Avior
            Pilots are taught, but as a training one they are not needed, of course.
            It is not jet, it is turboprop, it is an aircraft for specific tasks.

            So I am about the same. Well, there is no VNA in Ukraine of such specifics for the Toucan (unless weevil poison on weeds laughing ) But the question is, if pilots are taught, what will they fly on? Trampule is unlikely to give them a little bit suitable aircraft, and buy dumb pennies.
      3. +2
        October 20 2019
        Quote: Avior
        An aircraft’s flight characteristics are sufficient if the enemy has only MANPADS from air defense systems or mainly MANPADS, from which it is not easy to hit a light piston airplane.

        ========
        Piston - not so easy! The IR signature is weak. But the turbo-screw (which is actually the EMB 314 Super Tucano and is) - FOR FREE !!!
      4. 0
        October 20 2019
        Quote: Avior
        if the enemy has only MANPADS from air defense systems or mainly MANPADS, it’s not easy to hit a light piston airplane from it.

        This is provided that those MANPADS are not "Verba" and you should not discount the old, but very effective against such aircraft ZU-2-23, ZSU-4-23, S-10, S-60 ...
    3. 0
      October 20 2019
      Freebie, sir.
    4. +1
      October 20 2019
      The final word will say the amount of rollback.
    5. -1
      October 20 2019
      Quote: svp67
      So I understand that here the key importance is not the performance characteristics of this aircraft

      The characteristics of the device, too. The cost of servicing military equipment is also not the last factor. In low-intensity wars, jet aircraft (attack aircraft and especially fighters) are sometimes redundant and do not meet the criterion of efficiency / cost
    6. 0
      October 21 2019
      Embrayer is now owned by Boeing Corporation. It will be like with the "Lithuanian" Black Hawk helicopters, at 50 million euros apiece. For that kind of money, it would be possible to agree on new Su-30s with Russia, if religion of course allows ...
  2. +1
    October 20 2019
    Let them buy, but base them as far as possible from the Donbass, otherwise the loss of these slow-moving will be catastrophic. ..
  3. +3
    October 20 2019
    there is someone to level off
    "and the account of American funding under the same program under which these aircraft were supplied to Afghanistan, Lebanon and Nigeria."
  4. +2
    October 20 2019
    In Brazil, a president with Jewish roots is in power, hence the Yankees' favor for the most devoted partner in Latin America in the fight against Maduro.
  5. +1
    October 20 2019
    If purchased, they will be used as private aviation. Well, this assumption arose.
  6. +7
    October 20 2019
    Normal airplane ... for specific use only.
    However, they are, "like children", if only there was a toy, and who will pay off ... not their own children (those who played), but all the rest.
  7. +3
    October 20 2019
    Well, it’s a shame that it’s a shame for the country to have its own aviation industry, scientists who produced modern aircraft, and now they are buying useless trash.
  8. +3
    October 20 2019
    I suggest that the Ukrainian Air Force Aviators think about returning the heroic PO-2. Firstly, great survivability, secondly, almost stealth, this was done from plywood and fabric, and thirdly, and most importantly, it’s very cheap to manufacture and operate.
  9. +3
    October 20 2019
    IL-2 will be abruptly in terms of armament and survivability. Could and adapt the Yak-52 for suicide bombers.
    1. 0
      October 20 2019
      Then it is better to pick up a FAB-100 or FAB-250 bomb, a bloody tape around the head and sink the ships of the "aggressor" laughing
    2. +1
      October 20 2019
      Yak-52b, (yak-54), which you have in the photo, was prepared for use in Afghanistan.
      1. 0
        October 21 2019
        Actually, the Yak-54 is a slightly different car
        1. 0
          October 21 2019
          The combat Yak-52b which is pictured was made in a single copy. When transferred to mass production, I had to get an index of 54.
          The experience of military operations in Afghanistan indicated the need for the use of light maneuverable counterguerrilla attack aircraft in combat operations. One of the projects for creating such an aircraft was the Yakovlevsky Yak-52B (it was planned in the case of mass production to assign it the designation Yak-54). The basis was taken cheap and reliable TCB Yak-52. Two pylons with suspended blocks UB-32 were installed on the plane. In this regard, it was necessary to strengthen the wings of the aircraft.

          Since the gray did not start, I think the index was given to another development
  10. +2
    October 20 2019
    hi
    Good morning everyone.
    I do not understand how it can be used in combat conditions. This is one or two sorties in my opinion. Even if against LDNR, in the conditions of the steppe zone when detected, it is a very easy target for conventional small arms, and there is an abundance of them.
    1. 0
      October 20 2019
      From the usual rifle he has Kevlar armor.
      And it is not at all inexpensive.
    2. +3
      October 20 2019
      How inexpensive to buy and operate (and therefore more massive) is the replacement of attack helicopters. Flying further and faster than a helicopter. The overall survivability is also better - if the engine is damaged, he can even plan for a kilometer or two, and not crash down on the head of the angry stormed infantrymen like a helicopter. Why not?
    3. 0
      October 20 2019
      Quote: Zhan
      I do not understand how it can be used in combat conditions.

      for the jungle just right, at high speeds there is nothing to see, but the Sumerians once again ....
  11. +2
    October 20 2019
    Everything comes to a balance, inflatable boats come to the place of watchdogs for the Navy, jet aircraft are replaced by screw ones in aviation. Soon they will transfer from cars to horse-drawn vehicles. You can safely take stock of the INDEPENDENCE of Ukraine. The country has been turned into a collective farm for over 20 years
    1. 0
      October 20 2019
      Quote: APASUS
      Soon they will transfer from cars to horse-drawn vehicles

      first they will learn scooters
      1. 0
        October 21 2019
        Quote: Barmaleyka
        Quote: APASUS
        Soon they will transfer from cars to horse-drawn vehicles

        first they will learn scooters

        NOT assimilated. The last manufacturer of motorcycles and similar cars with a motor, died in 16
        What remains of the Kiev Motor Plant




    2. 0
      October 21 2019
      Give decommunization! Kravchuk took Ukraine with nuclear weapons, and whoever will bring the country to the plow faster than anyone else.
  12. +1
    October 20 2019
    attack aircraft Embraer EBN-314 Super Tucano

    Is this a name for Ukraine? Yes
  13. 0
    October 20 2019
    jumped to turboprop aircraft
  14. 0
    October 20 2019
    And then they will start yelling that they have aviation. which will 100% stop the Russian troops. Although in fact, this is only a means of attacking the Kovpak detachment.
  15. -1
    October 20 2019
    why the descendants of Don Pedra developed this aircraft understandably, but how are the Sumerians going to use it ?!
    1. 0
      October 20 2019
      Quote: Barmaleyka
      why the descendants of Don Pedra developed this aircraft understandably, but how are the Sumerians going to use it ?!

      Against the enemy, armed only with MANPADS and MZA, it is a dangerous bird. It all depends on the equipment of the LDNR.
  16. 0
    October 20 2019
    According to the performance characteristics, even for 45 years old is weak, what for the goat is such a button accordion ?! You can shoot down from AK!
    1. -1
      October 20 2019
      Quote: Artunis
      According to the performance characteristics, even for a 45 year old weak

      Well, you froze nonsense
      Do you really think that the Mectron MAA-1 Piranha missile is weak for 45 years ?!
      1. -1
        October 20 2019
        I'm talking about performance characteristics of the aircraft itself, and not about missiles. You can also screw a couple of rockets on il2, this will prevent it from drying!
        1. -1
          October 20 2019
          Quote: Artunis
          not about rockets. On il2, you can also screw a couple of rockets

          mdaaaaa
        2. -1
          October 20 2019
          Quote: Artunis
          I'm talking about the performance characteristics of the aircraft itself

          firstly, what are we going to compare?
          secondly, the armament is also included TTX
  17. -1
    October 20 2019
    The fact that the freebies do not pass by is a fact. But then this freebie must be kept or a principle, just for free then to refuel only in one direction.
  18. +1
    October 20 2019
    And who will fly on them? I heard that pilots are fleeing from Ukraine to where, preparation is low.
    1. 0
      October 20 2019
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      And who will fly on them?

      hi you are not understanding: you don’t have to fly, the main thing here buy
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      ..pilots flee from Ukraine wherever, preparation is low.

      This is frightening, especially to the interest shown on the side of the 404s in clean flight documents, including flight books, of the Soviet model ...
      1. +3
        October 20 2019
        Personally, that "minus" - and say the word? Or is there not enough gray matter in your head for a thought?
        1. 0
          October 20 2019
          No need to worry so much about the minus, well, the hooligans ran, pumped up)))

          And why buy, okay if American would be, so no request
          1. +3
            October 20 2019
            Quote: Lord of the Sith
            No need to worry so much about the minus, well, ran ..

            hi It's not about the "minuses" - this will not spoil the whole mood, but if you have an opinion, tell me - we will discuss it, and so "from under the tishka" - it's funny.
  19. 0
    October 20 2019
    EBN-314

    EBEEN and "Pi ... - no comma" ... I'm afraid such a "yacht" will not "float" in a Slavic-speaking country.
    Tell me that I have perverse associations. :)
  20. 0
    October 20 2019
    Having caught the supposedly free Bush military equipment abroad, Ukrainians will pay twice - repairs, spare parts (foreign), maintenance, ammunition and so on - that’s already for them for their own, hryvnia ....
  21. +1
    October 20 2019
    APU needs such aircraft only for punitive flights over the Donbass, for no other reason.
    Therefore, the purchase makes it clear that Kuev is not going to put up with the loss of Donetsk and Lugansk, which means that Russian blood will be shed further. sad angry
    1. 0
      October 20 2019
      Quote: K-50
      APU need such aircraft only for punitive flights over the Donbass

      This is understandable. Let's hope that LDNR has something to meet them.
  22. 0
    October 20 2019
    Now, in 2019, I would buy airplanes with the characteristics and sizes of airplanes of the 2nd World War ...

    If only pollinate corn.
  23. 0
    October 20 2019
    Then the question is: who is the enemy in the Armed Forces?
    1. 0
      October 20 2019
      horse buryats
  24. 0
    October 20 2019
    Quote: Marconi41
    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    Ukraine by freebie cannot pass by definition.

    Then can they test the IL-2 by removing them from the monuments?

    IL-2 and weapons that need 2- VYA-23 (37 mm) depending on the mode, + 2 ShKAS 12,7 but they wouldn’t just be Moskalsky, they could buy a pair of R-47 bolts from striped ones, although this they will not sell rarity for cheap
    survived, rolled down to the turboprop flyers. what's next? on the PMV linen biplanes will change seats ??? lol
    1. 0
      October 20 2019
      Quote: Klingon
      ShKAS 12,7

      This is something new. ShVAK was 12,7, but ShKAS ...
  25. 0
    October 20 2019
    Only as training. Otherwise, the pilots of Ukraine will simply end due to a lack of training. Time is running out ...
  26. 0
    October 20 2019
    I am writing for everyone.
    It's about using this Super Tukano instead of helicopters, not attack aircraft.
    And in this capacity, he is less vulnerable to weak air defense for a number of reasons.
    The third approach is the creation of a multifunctional apparatus, one of the tasks of which is the fight against an enemy poorly protected by air defense systems.

    Hereinafter, quotes from interviews with Sukhoi employees
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201608221910-svke.htm/amp/

    "Size matters: why does the Russian Aerospace Forces need a turboprop attack aircraft"

    Requirements for such an aircraft
    Combat experience has shown that such an aircraft should have a maximum speed of not more than 700 kilometers per hour, and a working one - no more than 300 - 400 kilometers per hour (otherwise the pilot will not have enough time to aim). The aircraft should have armored protection for the cockpit and the most important parts of the structure from small arms, modern anti-aircraft systems.

    Supertukano just fits them perfectly.
    Regarding the possibility of defeating MANPADS with IR guidance, as the most common and generally choosing the type of engine.
    a turboprop engine as more economical in relation to a turbojet engine and having lower visibility in the infrared range.


    I understand very well that MANPADS helicopters are completely aimed at myself, and I understand how turbojets differ from turboprops, but when comparing jet and turboprop aircraft, less IR visibility is obvious - the temperature of the gases at the output of the turboprop is lower and due to other design features, the IR visibility is lower, then there are harder to capture.
    But if you compare this Tucano with an airplane, then the speed of Tucano is much higher than that of a helicopter.
    That is, in this part, an advantage over a helicopter in speed, over a jet plane, is at a lower exhaust temperature.
    And how is it in reality, and not in the opinion of Sukhoi designers and theoretical calculations, I don’t know, I was looking for combat use in relation to MANPADS, but I did not find.
    Anyway, I’m sure they won’t buy them.
    hi
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      October 20 2019
      The videoconferencing system may feel the need for such an aircraft, but we must remember the basic principle of marketing: PPP. As a "marketer in vain", I am surprised.
  27. 0
    October 20 2019
    Quote: Avis-bis
    Quote: Klingon
    ShKAS 12,7

    This is something new. ShVAK was 12,7, but ShKAS ...

    colleague lol ShVAK is a 20 mm high-speed aircraft gun. although they were put on torpedo boats. ShKAS is a 7,62 x 54 aircraft machine gun. I admit to beguiling with another machine gun - this UBS was a caliber of 12,7 x 108 mm
  28. +1
    October 20 2019
    Well, why not restore production of PO-2
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      October 21 2019
      vi sho, nizzzya. Tse zh "litak agresora". The plane of the Wright brothers is much better and decommunized.
  29. 0
    October 21 2019
    I want to get one like this for mushrooms and fly to the cottage!
  30. 0
    October 21 2019
    Arctic fox .. And will they start testing steam locomotives and armored trains soon?
  31. Ham
    0
    October 21 2019
    why does a banana republic need jet aviation? I can’t afford this pleasure ...
    but this is just right - military aviation at the level of Afghanistan, Lebanon and Nigeria is just what the Ancient Tripolians need, whose boots trample the Universe, etc. etc....
    Putin is already evacuated for the Urals
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    October 21 2019
    as part of the same program that delivered these aircraft to Afghanistan, Lebanon and Nigeria.

    Here is an objective assessment of the level of the Ukrainian air force. In about five years, on the decrepit f-16A, from conservation (if there were still others), it will fly for happiness.
  33. 0
    October 21 2019
    Quote: Klingon
    VYA-23 (37 mm) depending on the mode, + 2 ShKAS 12,7

    This is new. From the site of an alternative history of aviation, or what? The gun caliber of the Volkov and Yartsev design is indicated in the model name VYA-23 - 23 mm. 37 mm, IMHO, was in the NS-37 (Nudelman, Suranov-37mm). Yes, and with ShKAS even a little beguiled - his caliber is three-linear, 7,62 mm.

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