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The battle in the Atlantic. Ram in the night

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With shotguns and a knife


History underwater fleet full of tragic events that happened on all oceans and seas during the Second World War. The night battle during the storm between the American destroyer Bori (DD-215 Borie) and the German submarine U-405 in the waters of the North Atlantic stands apart.




Submarines and destroyers commonly used torpedoes and depth charges. But early in the morning of November 1 1943 of the year during the battle as weapons rams, shotguns, cartridges, and even a knife were used. A dramatic duel during which the crew of each ship demonstrated skill, courage and perseverance.

Thirty-year-old captain


In the fall of the 1943 of the year, Bori was part of a search and strike group created around the Card carrier (CVE-11 Card). The commander of the Bori was 30-year-old Captain-Lieutenant Charles G. Hutchins, the youngest destroyer captain in the Navy at that time. After escorting convoys to the Atlantic, the group headed north at the end of October, past the Azores, as submarine hunters.

The destroyer Bori (DD-215 Borie) had a total displacement of 1699 t; speed - 35uz; main caliber guns - 4x102 mm. Auxiliary / anti-aircraft artillery consisted of 1x76-mm guns, 6x7,62-mm machine guns. Mine-torpedo armament: 4x3 x 533-mm TA. Team - 122 people 30.04.1919 is laid, 24.03.1920 is operational.

The battle in the Atlantic. Ram in the night

Borie (DD-215) at the San Francisco Pier in the 1930's

On November 1 of 1943 of the year, a bright speck appeared on the screen of the Bori destroyer radar at a distance of 7300 m: radar contact with a submarine! Hutchins increases the speed of the ship to 27 knots, jumping up and down waves whose height reached 4 m, holding the signal until it is lost at 2500 m. Bori slows down to 15 knots and establishes sound contact with a sonar at 1800 m. Having reduced distance to 450 m, destroyer command "Bori" conducts deep-field bombing. When the destroyer sailed from the point of attack, during the restoration of sound contact, it was noticed that after a characteristic hiss on the surface of the water illuminated by a searchlight, a submarine appeared.


Borie (DD-215) 1942 year.

The destroyer will keep the U-405 lit throughout the battle, with one short exception. Lighting made it possible to see the emblem of the 11th submarine flotilla of Kriegsmarine, a polar bear, on the cabin of a light gray submarine.

Hutchins opened fire with 102-mm guns and 20-mm machine guns from a distance of 1300 meters and went closer, the boat also started firing. So the battle began, one of the strangest during the war, as fierce as unusual.

Night and waves


Submarine U-405, VIIC series, surface displacement 769 t, cruising speed 17 / 7,5 knots, 4 bow and 1 stern torpedo tubes, 1x88mm + 1x20mm guns.

At the time of the drowning, the crew was 49 people. Pledged 08.07.1940, entered into operation 17.09.1941.

The commander of U-405 is Corvette Captain Rolf-Heinrich Hopman.



While the shells flew over the cabin of the submarine, and the bullets of the 20-mm automatic guns "Oerlikon" tore metal sheathing, the artillery crew of the submarine ran to the gun. A series of six 20-mm guns mounted at the stern of the deckhouse made holes in the bridge and the middle part of the destroyer hull.

Night, 4-meter waves, ships are thrown like chips, darkness is cut by flashes of converging streams from 20-millimeter bullets and the roar of guns, the screams of dying and wounded.

U-405 fought desperately, the gun’s crew lay dead, and not having had time to fire a single shot, other crew members rushed to him when a salvo of 102-mm destroyer guns dared the cannon from the deck of the submarine.



Spinning like an eel, Corvette Captain Hopman, using the boat’s excellent maneuverability, tried to tear himself away, Hutchins demonstrated excellent navigation, and the “Bori” did not let out the enemy’s searchlight, mercilessly beating him. At some point, a sailor appeared on the wheelhouse, waving his arms, as if asking the Americans not to shoot. Lieutenant Hutchins ordered a ceasefire. But the gunner of one calculation of the 20-mm assault rifles took off his headphones and continued to fire, literally tore the gesturing German sailor. U-405 began to maneuver again, and the battle continued.

Gun aft


Bob Maher, Bori crew member:
... shortly before this wire, the gun commander’s telephone line became entangled in empty shells that rolled around the deck. Angry, he tore off the phones and threw them onto the deck. Seeing the man waving on the U-405 deck, Captain Hutchins ordered: "Cease fire," but the cannon in the stern continued to fire. Hutchins tried to shout down at the gun command, “Cease fire, cease fire”, unfortunately, he was not heard. Seeing this one man standing alone in the midst of destruction and shooting was amazing. This did not last long, because after a few moments the body still stood, arms extended, but the head disappeared. If the tangled telephone line did not cause the death of this person, it would be the bravest of the team to voluntarily under fire to signal the surrender.


Deciding to prevent the U-405 from hiding, Hutchins increased speed to 25 nodes and went into ram. Hopman tried to avoid the blow, but began a maneuver to dodge left too late.

A sudden wave lifted the Bori up and it fell onto the U-405 deck in the bow of the submarine, at an angle of 30 degrees. For the next ten minutes they would be locked in a mortal embrace.

The destroyer guns could no longer fire at the boat. A U.S. review of this battle, published by the U.S. Admiralty, states:
... Lieutenant Brown fires on the deckhouse and deck of the Tommy Gun, Stoke Southwick killed the German with an abandoned knife, Walter S. Cruz knocks down a German sailor from the deck with an 102-mm shell.


The destroyer sailors fired from everything at hand: machine guns, flare guns, rifles.

German submariners unsuccessfully tried to get to their 20-mm guns. When one was killed in his place, the next one ran out of the wheelhouse. Courage or despair?

Suddenly, the waves that used to hook the ships together, sharply disconnected them. This allowed the destroyer and submarine to continue the battle. When the mortally wounded boat departed, Hutchins realized that his ship was seriously injured. The front engine room was completely flooded, but the enemy was still alive, and Hutchins led the damaged destroyer in pursuit.

Pursuit


Corvette captain Hopman undertook a series of evasion maneuvers, trying to break away and retired at a distance from the destroyer at 350 m. This allowed the Bori to open fire from the main caliber. One of the shells hit the diesel exhaust on the starboard side of the submarine and, possibly, damaged the stern torpedo tube. Then the destroyer fired a torpedo on the U-405, but to no avail.

The submarine began to rotate in a circle, and the destroyer because of its very wide turning radius did not keep up with it. During this maneuver, Lieutenant Hutchins noticed that the U-405 was constantly trying to turn its stern towards “Bori,” possibly planning to attack Bori. He ordered to put out the searchlight, so as not to give out the location of the ship. The submarine tried to hide in the night. The destroyer, increasing the speed to 27 knots, tracked the position of the boat using the radar, reaching a favorable position for the attack.

Despite the damage to the ship, Hutchins wanted to repeat another attempt to ram. They turned on the spotlight, and he again found himself on the path of the collision of the U-405, which, in turn, tried to ram the Bori into the starboard side. Hutchins abruptly turns the destroyer to the left and conducts an attack with depth charges in front of the bow of the submarine. The submarine literally throws out of the water and it stops two meters from the starboard side of the Bori.

Decoupling


Was that the end? No! U-405 turned to the stern of the destroyer and tried to sail away, but at a significantly reduced speed. Maneuvering, Hutchins again releases a torpedo, which takes place at 3 meters from the boat. Only after a hail of new attacks from the 102-mm guns that hit the starboard side, did the submarine stop. A stream of white, red and green rockets soared into the sky with U-405. This time, Lieutenant Hutchins brought the order to cease fire to all the guns. The shooting calmed down after an hour of battle. One or two people emerged from the wheelhouse and started throwing yellow rubber life rafts into the water. They were tied together and created the appearance of very large hot dogs. U-405 quickly settled on the stern, and what was left of the crew, about 15-20 people, managed to get off and move to the rafts. The submarine plunged vertically into the cold waters of the Atlantic. German submariners on their rafts continued to launch flares, while the destroyer slowly moved towards them to pick them up. Suddenly, the destroyer sonar transmits that he hears the noise of a torpedo. The destroyer conducts an anti-torpedo maneuver, as a result of which it passes through the life rafts of the survivors and leaves at the highest possible speed.

By dawn of November 1, only one engine was running, and salt water contaminated marine fuel. The lower armor of the destroyer in the bow and sides was badly damaged. Bullet holes from U-405 shells gaped everywhere on the ship, and there was water in the hold. The front engine room was finally flooded, which led to the shutdown of the generators and the loss of electricity. The loss of all electric power made ship management and repair extremely difficult. The emergency radio turned off, there was heavy fog, the ship was rapidly gaining water. All the remaining fuel had to be used for the pumps to work, trying to get ahead of the incoming water. To help keep the ship afloat, Hutchins gave orders to lighten the ship. Everything that could be thrown was thrown overboard. But the ship continued to slowly sink into the water. Only at 11 hour. 10 min aircraft carrier "Card" received a distress signal from the destroyer. The destroyers Goff (DD-247 Goff) and Barry (DD-248 Barry) were sent to help. The Avengers took off from the aircraft carrier, the crews of which discovered the Bori.



At 16 hour. 10 min due to the threat of a sudden capsizing of the ship, Lieutenant Hutchins ordered the destroyer to leave. The crew put on life jackets and moved to life rafts. Due to the low water temperature (+ 7 ° C), 4 meter waves and severe exhaustion, three officers and 24 sailors did not wait for help.

“Goff” and “Barry” at the dawn of November 2 tried to sink the DD-215 using torpedoes, but to no avail. Only after the Avengers bombardment did Borie finally sink in 09 hours. 55min. 2 November 1943 year.


Bombing Borie (DD-215)

This fierce battle between the US Navy destroyer and the Kriegsmarine submarine in November 1943 along with the similar fierce battle of May 6 1944 west of the Cape Verde Islands between the American destroyer Buckley and U-66 formed the basis for the script for the feature film "Duel in the Atlantic "(in the original:" Under us is the enemy ").

In 1958, the film won an Oscar for best special effects.


Shot from the movie "Enemy is Beneath Us"

Based on materials: wikipedia, usni.org, litresp.ru.
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  1. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 20 October 2019 06: 41
    +5
    What to do in war as in war!
    1. 210ox
      210ox 20 October 2019 07: 17
      +7
      Interestingly, did anyone survive among the submariners? Although even if and who remained on the intact raft they died from hypothermia.
      1. bubalik
        20 October 2019 07: 20
        +14
        among submariners, someone survived

        hi no, there were no survivors.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 20 October 2019 07: 35
          +7
          Thank you Sergey! An interesting fight, almost boarding. Yes, and by the way, what is the fate of Captain Lt. Hutchins? After all, after this battle, probably there were questions for him? I searched, but didn’t find anything, you have the same situation?
          1. bubalik
            20 October 2019 12: 48
            +6
            Phil77 (Sergey) Today, 08: 35


            Lieutenant Charles Hutchins receives the Navy Cross from Atlantic Fleet Commander Admiral Royal Ingersoll for his actions during the battle with U-405. Two other team members earned the Naval Cross for heroic action, kept the damaged destroyer afloat: Lieutenant Morrison Brown, posthumously, and second-class assistant engineer Randolph Saum.
            1. Town Hall
              Town Hall 20 October 2019 13: 20
              +9
              Hello. Try to write some article about the last battle of the submarine Tang (SS-306). Quite an unusual story
              1. bubalik
                20 October 2019 13: 22
                +8
                ,,,thanks, I'll take a look hi
            2. kig
              kig 21 October 2019 13: 44
              +1
              So is he a lieutenant or a lieutenant captain? Although they did not have such a title. Judging by the stripes, lieutenant. Not that it mattered ...
              1. bubalik
                21 October 2019 13: 50
                +2
                kig Today, 14: 44

                The rank of lieutenant, figurative expression captain of the ship hi
                1. kig
                  kig 23 October 2019 04: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: bubalik
                  figurative expression captain of a ship

                  then the commander. hi
          2. Proxima
            Proxima 20 October 2019 14: 14
            +8
            Immediately I remember the trip of a German submarine with a Soviet anti-submarine hunter, which Pikul described in "Requiem for a caravan .." Moreover, the "hunter" is something other than a converted fishing trawler, and the captain of the hunter is a hastily retrained captain of this boat. There was an interesting episode in the feature film, when the Germans found out what the trough was pursuing them, then everyone cackled in unison. So it was or not, we will never know, because there was not a single survivor from the German submarine. After a series of depth charges, which were expertly carried out, the submarine is forced to surface and open fire from the stern gun. In turn, the hunter was forced to ram the submarine, which finally finished it off. hi
            1. sibiryouk
              sibiryouk 20 October 2019 19: 27
              +4
              In reality, it was TFR Breeze, I don’t remember his number. He damaged the boat with a battering ram, and drowned or not, this is not reliably known.
              1. bubalik
                20 October 2019 20: 01
                +7
                He damaged the boat with a ram, and drowned or not


                U 578, went missing 6 on August 1942 in the Bay of Biscay.

                On November 25, 1941, the patrol ship Breeze successfully attacked the Hitlerite submarine U-578 and inflicted heavy damage on it, because of which it was forced to return to base. The submarine managed to sink to 12 meters when it received a ramming blow to the stern. Fortunately for the Germans, it hit the superstructure and light hull, as a result of which only the skin of the 1st tank of the main ballast was damaged and the group of VVD cylinders located in the superstructure was out of order. The German ship lay down on the ground. Although the depth of the site was only forty meters, the lack of hydroacoustics did not allow the Breeze to carry out targeted bombing. According to German submariners, the depth charges exploded relatively far. In addition, the Soviet ship left the attack site too quickly. About an hour later, the sub surfaced and headed for the base.
            2. Sasha_rulevoy
              Sasha_rulevoy 24 October 2019 00: 30
              +1
              Quote: Proxima
              So it was or not, we will never know


              Pikul in the afterword writes that he invented the whole battle, like the watchman himself, the submarine and Ralph Zeggers.
          3. bubalik
            20 October 2019 16: 34
            +4
            what is the fate of captain lieutenant hutchins?

            ,,, was appointed captain on J. Fred Talbott (DD-156). He later took command of the Doran destroyer (DD-634).
            Hutchins retired in 1964 from Wabash Fiber Box as vice president of sales. Among other things, he served on the board of directors of Terre Haute First National Bank.
            Hutchins died at the age of 79 on 30 on August 1992.
        2. VohaAhov
          VohaAhov 20 October 2019 13: 33
          +2
          Yes, that's right, all 49 German submariners died.
        3. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 21 October 2019 11: 03
          +3
          To the author - Sergey! Sorry, I couldn’t read it yesterday — we went to Novgorod, and on the way back, they almost brought down a moose in the dark. drinks I will say the phrase of Prince Peter Bagration: "Bravo, French, bravo!" good Bravo for the article, Sergey! Interesting material, never knew about this fight. I wish you new inspiration, in other words, new articles! drinks
          1. bubalik
            21 October 2019 11: 12
            +3
            Pane Kohanku (Pane Kohanku) Today, 12: 03
            Thank you hi
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 21 October 2019 11: 38
              +3
              something like that. Between Chudovo and Zuyevo (named after the commissar of the Second Shock Army, who did not want to surrender), I wanted to go around a car moving in the right lane, and I look, it’s on the brakes. Well, and I, too, away from sin. Fifteen to twenty meters in front of me - an elk! Oh, handsome, tall, lean, like an Oryol trotter! The road is not lit there. I slowed down in time, if I hadn’t pressed, I would have come out on him, he had already reached the second row. drinks he looked at all those who had stopped - and back to the forest.
        4. Alexey G
          Alexey G 25 October 2019 22: 58
          0
          I did not quite understand the ending of the battle. The Germans sail on rafts and sprinkle missiles, the destroyer goes to pick them up and suddenly a torpedo? Where from?
      2. figwam
        figwam 20 October 2019 09: 54
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        Interestingly, among the divers, did anyone survive?

        In the article, apparently everyone died by accident, but in reality, most likely they were simply shot.
        German submariners on their rafts continued to launch flares, while the destroyer slowly moved towards them to pick them up. Suddenly, the destroyer sound engineer reports that he hears a torpedo noise. The destroyer conducts an anti-torpedo maneuver, as a result of which it passes through the life rafts of the survivors and leaves at the highest possible speed.
        1. Sasha_rulevoy
          Sasha_rulevoy 24 October 2019 00: 32
          +1
          Quote: figvam
          but in reality, most likely they were simply shot.


          I have a similar impression. The Germans try to surrender twice, and twice they are "accidentally" killed. Something too much accidents.
          1. Sasha_rulevoy
            Sasha_rulevoy 24 October 2019 03: 46
            +2
            The boat could not leave, could not sink. There is no way to hide from the radar. Torpedoes closer than 500 m are useless - their fuses will not cock. The boat had no minimum chances. Overboard ships can use battering rams when the boat begins to sink, otherwise it will sink and look for fistulas. But here the need for a battering ram was not the slightest. Americans out of the blue lost the ship. To hide their immense stupidity, they wrote stories about throwing knives (murder by throwing a knife is a priori myth). They also committed a war crime, bastards.
          2. Revival
            Revival 16 January 2020 16: 58
            0
            I think he "moved" them quite by accident
      3. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 20 October 2019 19: 51
        +6
        Quote: 210ox
        Interestingly, did anyone survive among the submariners? Although even if and who remained on the intact raft they died from hypothermia.

        For some reason, it seems to me that the Americans just drove through the Germans, and on the shore they said that they heard a torpedo
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 22 October 2019 20: 15
          0
          I have the same impression. Leaky submarine snarls a torpedo? - "I do not believe!" (Stanislavsky)
  2. Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 20 October 2019 06: 49
    +4
    With what bitterness they fought. Pyrrhic victory turned out.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 20 October 2019 13: 17
      +11
      This suggests that the Americans and Germans also know how to fight, they know how to sacrifice themselves and do not take courage. And in our media they stubbornly create a picture of cowardly American warriors who will immediately surrender if there is a serious mess.
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx 20 October 2019 14: 25
        +7
        It is not clear why all this nonsense people stubbornly broadcasts. The Americans are white, they are the descendants of the British, Germans, Irish, etc., etc., etc. Nobody said that Europeans are bad warriors.
        They always fought courageously, skillfully and stubbornly. And most importantly, smart. What proves the post-war history.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 21 October 2019 20: 37
          +2
          So President Kennedy - of the Irish - commanded a torpedo boat
          in the pacific ocean. During the attack on the Japanese destroyer, his boat was torn
          in two parts with a shell from another destroyer. Kennedy, wounded, managed to collect the remains
          crew on the islet. The Japanese tried to capture them - they landed a paratrooper.
          They fled, sailed to another island. In general, adventure ...
          Kennedy received the order.
          1. bubalik
            21 October 2019 21: 04
            +5
            voyaka uh
            Today, 21: 37

            RT-109

            torn
            in two parts with a shell from another destroyer.
            little correction
            ,, they were rammed by the Japanese destroyer "Amagiri".
        2. Alf
          Alf 21 October 2019 21: 31
          0
          Quote: mmaxx
          They always fought courageously, skillfully and stubbornly. And most importantly, smart. What proves the post-war history.

          Grenada, Panama, Iraq ...
          1. kiril1246
            kiril1246 23 October 2019 09: 26
            0
            Quote: Alf
            Grenada, Panama, Iraq

            Cuba, Angola, Syria, Afghanistan, Egypt.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 20 October 2019 14: 29
      +1
      I would not say that the victory of Pyrrhus. The sailors did their duty to the end. There are questions to the rescuers. However, this is a different story. By the way, the American sailors on the destroyers, by no means on the large ships of today, fought fiercely. In the same battle for the Philippines.
      1. bubalik
        20 October 2019 16: 18
        +4
        There are questions to the rescuers.

        Bob Maher:
        ,,, There were so many people on our raft that we had to hold on to each other like clusters of grapes, while the raft rode up and down the huge waves.


        It was USS Barry ,,, the starboard side hit our raft from the side, it was a terrible sight. Some people climbed aboard the ship, but many were sandwiched between the ship and the raft, and they died.

        Then I lost almost lost consciousness and fell under the water, feeling the screws knock, and my hands cling to one of the screw protection bars. I don’t know if it was instinct or my tough heavy jacket that held me back but the worst part was that nobody was there. I held on and screamed, but to no avail, and for the first time I felt that I was going to die.
    3. Protos
      Protos 21 October 2019 23: 43
      +1
      Submarine
      Quote: Alex 1970
      With what bitterness they fought. Pyrrhic victory turned out.

      The submarine is more expensive than the destroyer and the crew is harder to train there! So 1-2 in favor of amers yes
      1. Alexey G
        Alexey G 25 October 2019 23: 07
        +1
        The destroyer had a gigantic advantage and drowned! Americans suckers. 2: 1 in favor of the submarine, especially after the turn! The Germans made good boats!
  3. tlauicol
    tlauicol 20 October 2019 06: 55
    +5
    Class good this is western!
  4. Avior
    Avior 20 October 2019 07: 27
    +3
    Very interesting story
    Only here
    Suddenly the sound engineer of the destroyer transmits

    It looks like a translation from English
    1. bubalik
      20 October 2019 07: 35
      +10
      Avior
      Today, 08

      hi ,,, in the previous article you said the same thing that you need to translate more carefully yes agree recourse
      1. Avior
        Avior 20 October 2019 07: 45
        +6
        Just a sound engineer instead of sonar cuts the eyes smile
        Pay attention to something else here - in TTX of the boat there is one 20 mm submachine gun, there are six in the text.
        1. bubalik
          20 October 2019 07: 47
          +13
          ,,, and there were six of them, according to the recollections of the participants in the battle. It was at the beginning of the war that the state stood alone.
          1. Avior
            Avior 20 October 2019 08: 41
            +8
            Wunderwaffe from the gloomy Teutonic genius, a submarine of air defense. I read about it in Steel tombs.
            The Allies did not allow the Germans from the bases to reach the combat position, it was already difficult to cover the boats, and so they armed them with the most anti-aircraft guns.
            It was believed that several of these boats together are capable of fighting off the surface of the Allied PLO aircraft.
            It didn’t help much from aviation, but at close range when applied to the watchdogs and destroyers of that time it had the effect of calculating the destroyer’s guns under fire of 20 millimeters, or, more precisely, 2 centimeters, we’re talking about Germans smile could work with difficulty.
            I saw that someone had questions for the destroyer commander about the battle; in fact, he was in a difficult situation.
            He could not move further - the boat could well have gone in the dark, and near the boat armed with quick-fire anti-aircraft guns better than the destroyer, it had obvious advantages. In addition, the low freeboard of the boat made it difficult for her to destroy the destroyer.
            And given that all this was with a strong wave, getting into the boat was not very simple.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 20 October 2019 10: 35
              +4
              Quote: Avior
              I saw that someone had questions for the destroyer commander about the battle; in fact, he was in a difficult situation.

              I had questions (but I think the Navy command also has the Yankees). The main one: fighting with an already damaged submarine (it never went deep) and seeing that everything was not going as it wanted, which prevented Hutchins from pleasing for help "And keeping the boat under control to wait for the arrival of other ships? After all, the walkie-talkie was damaged much later? Based on this, it is interesting to find out how his further career has developed."
              1. Avior
                Avior 20 October 2019 12: 46
                +3
                And there, how long did the battle last?
                10 minutes?
                The boat could not sink, because the destroyer is nearby. As soon as she goes under water, the destroyer will pass over her head and spill deep, then she and kirdyk. But if the destroyer departed, the boat could go under water without this risk.
                And the destroyer did not know the degree of damage to the boat — could it sink or not.
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 20 October 2019 13: 02
                  +4
                  Ain moment! The boat surfaced after the bombing, why would it? So it was damaged! If the commander hadn’t been there and wouldn’t have thought of surfacing.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 20 October 2019 13: 07
                    0
                    Read carefully. The boat did not sink.
                    The destroyer just walked in front of the bow of the boat and dropped bombs, they explode with a delay, and exploded under the boat.
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 20 October 2019 13: 14
                      0
                      Probably I didn’t catch something, to attack the boat in the surface state with depth bombs?
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 20 October 2019 13: 55
                        0
                        Judging by the written so.
                        The destroyer walked right in front of the bow of the boat and dropped bombs. The boat had a turn and was at the dumping site.
                        Depth bombs are detonated after reaching a certain depth, with a delay. Therefore, the bombs exploded under the boat.
                  2. bubalik
                    20 October 2019 13: 10
                    +9
                    Avior (Sergey) Today, 13: 46
                    Phil77 (Sergey) Today, 14: 02

                    ,,, after the first bombing surfaced, there were no attempts to plunge. She was trying to get away in the water.
                    And there, how long did the battle last?

                    64 min battle lasted
              2. Ural-4320
                Ural-4320 20 October 2019 13: 34
                +1
                Yes, maybe he did, but they didn’t catch him. When the SOS filed, they also did not immediately receive a signal.
              3. mmaxx
                mmaxx 20 October 2019 14: 19
                +2
                I couldn’t. Night and such excitement. On a large wave and low speed, the destroyer will be poorly controlled. And such waves to lose the boat was easy. The destroyer commander was doing his job. He was assigned to guard the convoy from submarines, and he guarded it. The British have a phrase: the duty of the destroyer. Probably in the original, this is somehow not the case, but I heard such a translation.
            2. bubalik
              20 October 2019 13: 03
              +5
              Avior (Sergey) Today, 08: 45

              ... from submarine form Type VIIC




              There were a total of small arms on board: 1 light machine gun, 2 assault rifle, 6 pistols, 3 bayonet and two signal pistols.
              1. Avior
                Avior 20 October 2019 13: 09
                +1
                Realistically, and other weapons could be
                1. bubalik
                  20 October 2019 13: 13
                  +5
                  ,, as you wrote above.
                  From the tasks set, well, "grasp, what "who was there, the boatswain?" laughing
            3. Phil77
              Phil77 20 October 2019 13: 23
              +3
              But about * Steel coffins * Herbert, thank you! I didn’t read it, but already downloaded it and will read it soon! Regards, I am. hi
              1. bubalik
                20 October 2019 13: 35
                +4
                Phil77 (Sergey) Today, 14: 23

                In the battle with the "wolf packs." US destroyers: war in the Atlantic
                Roscoe Theodore.
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 20 October 2019 13: 38
                  +2
                  Thank you, now I’m diving to my favorite book site one more time! For prey. drinks
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 20 October 2019 14: 06
                    +2
                    What kind of site?
                    "Name, sister, name!?!?!?" (from)
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 20 October 2019 14: 13
                      +2
                      Yes, with great pleasure! E reading mobi. There are two small subtleties: firstly, mobi is on the search engine, and secondly, if you register on it, the books are downloaded without restrictions! Of course, everything is free! I’ve been sitting on it for a long time and I’ve been full of complaints decisive * 0 *. goodThere will be questions, I’m always here. * Your call is very important to us *.
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 20 October 2019 14: 19
                        +2
                        Thank you!
                        Let's get infected!
                        Out of habit, on the law-tormented "Flibust"
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 20 October 2019 17: 44
                        +1
                        http://loveread.ec/view_global.php?id=67616
                        Lovrid. But there you can only read online, you can’t download
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 20 October 2019 17: 49
                        +1
                        Thank you, Sergey! But it’s hard for me to read from a computer.
                      4. Avior
                        Avior 20 October 2019 19: 54
                        +1
                        I understand, sympathize.
                        If we are talking about books on military subjects, then a pretty complete milter lib ru
                        http://militera.lib.ru/index.html
                        You can download, you can read online.
                        I read Lovrid both from the tablet and from the e-reader, I have it with Internet access
                      5. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 20 October 2019 20: 15
                        +1
                        I am familiar with Militer, periodically use it. It’s just that my interests are not limited to military topics. And my reader is old, alas.
                      6. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 October 2019 20: 16
                        +1
                        Didn’t try? At the new address?
                      7. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 20 October 2019 20: 27
                        +1
                        Saved everything. Thank!!!
                      8. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 October 2019 20: 29
                        +2
                        Glad to try, Your Excellency! laughing good laughing
                      9. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 20 October 2019 17: 53
                        +1
                        Access to the information resource is limited on the basis of the Federal Law of July 27.07.2006, 149, No. XNUMX-FZ "On Information, Information Technologies and Information Protection"
                        This is all that can be found on the resource you specified.
                      10. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 20 October 2019 14: 32
                        +2
                        Alas, it is not loaded. It looks like the next round of the fight against "piracy" has begun. I hate rightholders !!!!!
                      11. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 October 2019 14: 53
                        +1
                        Which search engine?
                      12. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 20 October 2019 14: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: Phil77
                        Which search engine?

                        Yandex, based on Explorer
                      13. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 20 October 2019 15: 01
                        +1
                        Chrome is also not loaded
                      14. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 20 October 2019 15: 04
                        +1
                        The book is freely available. You can read it without downloading).
                      15. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 20 October 2019 15: 08
                        +2
                        The point is not in the book, dear Town Hall, but in the imbecile Russian laws and their same performers.
                      16. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 October 2019 15: 12
                        +3
                        Just tried, it's useless! As I wrote in a personal, got! Pts. very good bad and disrespectful people !!! am am am . I'm just upset!
                      17. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 20 October 2019 15: 20
                        +5
                        Passive homosexual necrophiles !!!!
                      18. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 October 2019 15: 59
                        +4
                        One word, third sex!
                      19. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 October 2019 19: 54
                        +2
                        Anton !!!! Look in PM, gave a new address, it works !!!!
                      20. bubalik
                        20 October 2019 20: 12
                        +5
                        new address works !!!!

                        Single-handed angry am
                      21. Phil77
                        Phil77 20 October 2019 20: 18
                        +2
                        Sergey! Unfair !!! I gave you the address, though for a long time! stop
                      22. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 20 October 2019 20: 26
                        +2
                        Figasse, hitting !!! Someone missed Tank along the way ???
                      23. Alf
                        Alf 21 October 2019 21: 34
                        0
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        Alas, it is not loaded. It looks like the next round of the fight against "piracy" has begun. I hate rightholders !!!!!

                        Try turning on Turbo mode.
            4. Serg koma
              Serg koma 21 October 2019 13: 29
              +1
              Quote: Avior
              a boat armed with quick-fire anti-aircraft guns is better

              And torpedoes
            5. Sasha_rulevoy
              Sasha_rulevoy 24 October 2019 03: 32
              +1
              Quote: Avior
              calculations destroyer guns under fire 20 millimeters, or rather 2 centimeters, we are talking about the Germans, they could work with difficulty.


              So this applies to the Germans. Didn’t they have to work hard. The Americans have more calculations and everything is already in place. But the Germans need to run out one ladder, and then through one hatch. The Americans have cartridges right there with the guns, and the Germans? The Americans are high above the water, the water does not bother them, the platform is stable, but what is it like for the Germans? The Americans see the Germans and try to aim precisely at the location of the guns, while the Germans beat at random into the light of a searchlight, i.e. into the wing of the bridge. It is enough for the Americans to hit once and all three crews will be killed or wounded immediately. The Germans need to get into each erlikon separately. The Americans also have machine guns.
  5. Amateur
    Amateur 20 October 2019 07: 38
    -2
    Lines of six 20-mm guns mounted at the stern of the deckhouse made holes in the bridge and the middle part of the destroyer hull.

    U-405 fought desperately, the gun’s crew lay dead, never having had time to fire a single shot,

    But the gunner of one calculation of 20 mm assault rifles took off his headphones and continued to fire
    Is this generally understandable at the expense of headphones?
    The sudden wave lifted the Bori upward and fell onto the deck of U-405 in the bow of the submarine at a 30-degree angle.
    It was only in Hollywood that they fought for 10 minutes, but in reality, the sturdy hull of the boat would burst like an egg.
    The lower armor of the destroyer in the bow and sides was badly damaged.
    Armored destroyer !!!!
    Such nonsense in the morning on Sunday! Bravo.
    Although it may be a retelling of the plot of a Hollywood movie "in your own words"
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 20 October 2019 07: 50
      +10
      Most likely the use of not the best translation.
      However, one can consider the essence of the fact itself.
      Personal subjective perception.
      The submarine was essentially a trophy / victim of a hunter in the person of a destroyer.
      As a result, it is the submarine that can be considered the winner in this battle.
      The hunter was defeated by a much weaker adversary, who was in a critical position from the very beginning.
      And this is a recorded fact.
      Embellishment of parts for the mass consumer is commonplace.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 20 October 2019 08: 05
        +4
        But here it’s hard to disagree! Swapping a boat (destroyer) for a horse (submarine). There are questions about the actions of the commander of a surface ship. hi
      2. Avior
        Avior 20 October 2019 08: 44
        +4
        Not so simple . 6 20 mm anti-aircraft guns in close combat gave it significant advantages.
        And getting into a boat with its low side on the wave was also not very easy.
      3. tlauicol
        tlauicol 20 October 2019 09: 36
        +2
        The destroyer of the times of the PMV against the modern submarine is a good exchange
    2. bubalik
      20 October 2019 07: 52
      +10
      Amateur
      Today, 08: 38

      ,, in fact, Boris from the stern of a submarine slipped along the entire side and threw it in a wave on the bow of the boat. The battle lasted more than an hour.
      Armored

      ,,, may not quite correctly put it what it was that Bori's corps was damaged.
    3. Phil77
      Phil77 20 October 2019 07: 58
      +5
      Not at all Hollywood, this fight is described on the site arsenal ru., And yes within 10 minutes the ships were in contact.
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 20 October 2019 08: 12
        -5
        this battle is described on the arsenal ru website.

        Well, if on the "arsenal" itself, then tady oh.
        Caesar's wife should be beyond any suspicion (G.Yu. Caesar)
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 20 October 2019 08: 16
          +4
          Have questions about the veracity?
          1. Amateur
            Amateur 20 October 2019 08: 25
            -4
            I do not laugh at the battle and its authenticity, but at the stupid things written in the above article about this battle.
            Lines of six 20-mm guns mounted at the stern of the deckhouse made holes in the bridge and the middle part of the destroyer hull.

            U-405 fought desperately, the gun’s crew lay dead, never having had time to fire a single shot,

            The crew was killed at first, then he probably rose again and after that he fired at the destroyer? Or as the author of this article answered
            bubalik (Sergey) "may not put it quite right"
            1. bubalik
              20 October 2019 08: 43
              +7
              U-405 fought desperately, the gun’s crew lay dead, never having had time to fire a single shot,
              ... what I had to write more precisely. 88mm gun calculation
            2. Avior
              Avior 20 October 2019 08: 58
              +3
              Unsuccessfully written.
              We are clearly talking about calculating the 8,8 cm gun.
              Only 20 graphs were fired from the boat
            3. Alf
              Alf 21 October 2019 21: 36
              -1
              Quote: Amateur
              The crew was killed at first, then he probably rose again and after that he fired at the destroyer?

              About replacement calculation did not hear?
  6. Moore
    Moore 20 October 2019 08: 12
    +2
    ... along with a similar fierce battle on May 6, 1944 west of the Cape Verde Islands between the US destroyer Buckley and U-66 ...

    There, in my opinion, everything was even more epic - from the prehistory to the denouement.
    1. bubalik
      20 October 2019 16: 07
      +4
      Buckley in dry dock after ramming U-66
  7. K-50
    K-50 20 October 2019 08: 19
    +10
    Suddenly, the destroyer sound engineer reports that he hears a torpedo noise. The destroyer conducts an anti-torpedo maneuver, as a result of which it passes through the life rafts of the survivors and leaves at the highest possible speed.

    I, of course, do not feel sorry for the Nazis, it is dear to them there, to Hell. But there was hardly a "torpedo noise", just the pin boards got angry and did not take prisoners, corny crushing them with the ship. IMHO.
    Let it be on the conscience of those who fought.
    1. illi
      illi 20 October 2019 09: 50
      +8
      The winners, as you know, write history. The Germans apparently twice tried to surrender, but not fate. Circumstances as winners write))
  8. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 20 October 2019 08: 57
    +11
    The submarine plunged vertically into the cold waters of the Atlantic. German submariners on their rafts continued to launch flares, while the destroyer slowly moved towards them to pick them up. Suddenly, the destroyer sound engineer reports that he hears a torpedo noise. The destroyer conducts an anti-torpedo maneuver, as a result of which it passes through the life rafts of the survivors and leaves at the highest possible speed.
    It is very similar to the fact that the survivors were simply finished off by sinking the rafts with screws and a hull, in the bitterness of the battle. About the torpedo and unintentional drowning after the maneuver, it was thought up after the battle in order to remain perfect heroes. Is it worth it to blame the Americans? If it were in the cinema, it would probably cause unpleasant feelings, but in war this often happens and then conscience does not torment me even once.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 20 October 2019 09: 17
      +8
      So it is - the rescued German submariners were simply finished off-ironing them on the means of rescue, calling it later, "evasion maneuver" from mythical torpedoes ... But ... in war, like in war ... request
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 20 October 2019 10: 20
        +4
        But in general, the courage of German submariners in this hopeless battle for them, at least, arouses respect ... for example, there is an example of such a battle of the Soviet submarine S-3 leaving Libava to Ust-Dvinsk in the surface position (it was not possible plunge due to incomplete repairs) with German torpedo boats: the boat was destroyed by the enemy, without any losses from the Nazis ....
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1-3
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 October 2019 11: 22
          +5
          Armed with one 45mm quarter-machine, our S-3 had no chance against two German shooters with two 37mm and two 20mm automatic guns, except for four torpedo tubes for a couple.
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat 20 October 2019 14: 23
            0
            Not entirely true. Until the end of 1941, "snell boats" were relatively weak artillery weapons - one 20 mm gun and 2 removable 7,62 mm MG-34 machine guns. + TA
            https://wiki.warthunder.ru/Schnellboot_der_Kriegsmarine_-_Малые_воины_большой_войны
            https://wiki.wargaming.net/ru/Navy:Торпедные_катера_типа_Schnellboot
            It was such weapons that the attacking S-3 boats had.
  9. Catfish
    Catfish 20 October 2019 10: 30
    +6

    The destroyer "Borie" (DD-215 "Borie") Laid down on 30.04.1919/24.03.1920/XNUMX, entered service on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX.


    On account of reparations from Italy, the Americans gave us a division of the same destroyers and the no less antediluvian cruiser Milwaukee, and the British added the battleship Royal Sovereign.

    Thanks to Sergey for an interesting story. hi It turned out that the traditions of boarding were alive in our technical age. wink
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 20 October 2019 12: 04
      +3
      Greetings to Konstantin! * Royal * they seem to have leased to us, we had to return them in the 49th. And they put him on the needles almost immediately. Do you mean * Arkhangelsk * (under our flag)?
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 20 October 2019 12: 17
        +4
        Hello, Sergey. Yes, it was "Arkhangelsk" and the American ships using the same system, and then, when they returned them back, they all, too, were put on pins and needles, but what else was this old thing to do. And as a result of the reparations, we also received not God knows what "superlinkor", a contemporary of "Royal" - "Giulio Cesare", the same old thing, only modernized.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 20 October 2019 12: 55
          +3
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Giulio Cesare ", the same old stuff, only modernized.

          Yes, yes, yes! And according to one version of his death, it was mined. At least I read about it.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 21 October 2019 00: 44
            +2
            This is one of the versions, the second is the explosion of a bottom mine during the Second World War. Both are not really proven. As for the mines, I myself saw a "donka" washed out by a storm in Sevastopol on Lyubimovka, and "horned" galvanic hammers were regularly caught by fishermen with nets back in the eighties.
            But the version with the saboteurs of the "black prince" Valerio sounds, of course, more attractive to the reading people. And there - who knows ... Our sailors are insanely sorry, in days of peace and so many deaths.
    2. bubalik
      20 October 2019 16: 37
      +4
      Thanks to Sergey for an interesting story.
      Thank you hi drinks
  10. garri-lin
    garri-lin 20 October 2019 10: 38
    +4
    I remember the film. I watched it in the 90s. Then on weekends, at night they showed Hollywood films about WWII. And the Enemy is below us. And the Distant Ferry. And much more. The shot is beautiful, but not reliable. So ka in the film ending in the style of "you can fight and be reconciled." And the battle itself can be considered unconditionally victorious for a submarine.
    1. Alf
      Alf 21 October 2019 21: 37
      +1
      Quote: garri-lin
      And the enemy is below us.

      The enemy is below.
      Quote: garri-lin
      And a distant crossing.

      The bridge is too far.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 22 October 2019 00: 17
        +1
        English is good with Shakespeare. The rest is primitive. When translating, the main thing is not only to convey the meaning but also the emotional context. Recognize that the original for a Russian person sounds somewhat inexpressive.
  11. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 October 2019 11: 30
    +3
    My compliments, Sergey! As always, very good stuff! Know how to find "rarities"! However, the style was very upset request
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 20 October 2019 11: 50
      +3
      Here it is! And only tracks of tracks were left behind. laughing My respect, dear Anton! hi
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 20 October 2019 12: 14
        +3
        Sergei hi It's a hangover wassat
        "When I'm sober, I am Mumu and Gerasim,
        And so I am "War and Peace" "
    2. bubalik
      20 October 2019 12: 39
      +5
      hi
      very upset style
      ,,, a lot of specialized and technical terms for translation. crying
      I am not a wizard. I am just learning. . tongue
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 20 October 2019 12: 45
        +3
        Well, I don’t fall into criticism? "Not for fun, but for the benefit of." Translated from English?
        1. bubalik
          20 October 2019 12: 49
          +8
          and from German, there are many sources.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 20 October 2019 12: 55
            +3
            To go nuts !!! Now, having basic German, I would not undertake to translate the textbook for grade 6. Claims are removed !!!
            1. bubalik
              20 October 2019 15: 10
              +5
              3x3zsave
              Today, 13: 55

              ,,, yes I’m not myself, but a comp. laughing but he does not take these special terms. We have to study a particular word in more detail, look for an analogue of Russian.
              So my abilities crying you exaggerate a lot recourse
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 20 October 2019 15: 56
                +2
                Come on, don't be lame! Everyone has already understood everything, except for those who like "cheap postebatsya". Interlinear writing is hard work.
  12. Graz
    Graz 20 October 2019 19: 33
    +3
    Well, as if the destroyer had to make the boat at a time, there was a huge advantage, the captain of the destroyer had to be judged for unsuitability
  13. serge siberian
    serge siberian 20 October 2019 20: 09
    +2
    Thank you for the article. Interesting enough. Just where are the memories of a man holding on to the fence of screws? hi
  14. jrvp79
    jrvp79 20 October 2019 21: 30
    +3
    “All of a sudden, the destroyer's sound engineer reports that he hears the noise of a torpedo.
    Yes Yes !! So it was)). Only without the noise of a torpedo, of course.
    1. Sasha_rulevoy
      Sasha_rulevoy 24 October 2019 03: 21
      +1
      This bastard with headphones needed a trial and an investigative experiment: here’s a train of cartridges for you, here’s a wire, a rash of them as you like, so that the wire gets tangled up in them. If you can’t, get twenty-five for a war crime.
  15. Tests
    Tests 20 October 2019 22: 39
    +5
    Sea Cat (Konstantin), dear, thank the allies for the "Arkhangelsk" and "Murmansk." "Valerian Kuibyshev", "Karl Liebknecht" and "Uritsky" are practically the same age as the "allies." By the beginning of the war, there were no specially built minesweepers on the Northern Fleet (except for boats). 2 minesweepers of the Northern Fleet are ships converted from fishing trawlers. in the summer of 1941 with the BF BTShch T-209 and T-210 did not take place. There were no torpedo boats on the Northern Fleet by the beginning of the Second World War ... If it were not for the British minesweepers from the so-called "local escort" that were based on Yokanga and Arkhangelsk, then losses in northern convoys would have begun not in 1942, but in 1941 ... "Murmansk" escorted a convoy from my native Severodvinsk in 1944, and "Arkhangelsk" in the air defense system of the Main Fleet Base, plus our sailors gained experience in operating large ships.
  16. Avior
    Avior 21 October 2019 01: 36
    +1
    LT destroyer commander Charles Harris Hutchins continued to fight on other destroyers until October 31, 1945.
    After the battle, he was promoted to lieutenant commander.
    He died in 1992 year.

    Ship Rank Type From To
    USS Borie (i) (DD 215) Destroyer 6 Jun 1943 1 Nov 1943
    USS J. Fred Talbott (DD 156) Lt Destroyer 28 Dec 1943 12 Oct 1944
    USS Doran (DD 634) Lt Destroyer 6 Mar 1945 31 Oct 1945

    https://uboat.net/allies/commanders/4381.html

    Why did the destroyer get so badly damaged?
    The fact is that when trying to ram a boat with an unexpectedly large wave, the hull of the destroyer piled on top of the boat and the hull experienced great overloads, because of which the old skin was damaged - the ship was 23 years old.
    About the torpedo. According to Wikipedia, there was another German boat, a torpedo was supposedly from it. But no one calls the boat numbers.
    The crew received three Sea Crosses, two Silver Stars and the Legion of Honor.

    In 1944, the name Bari (in honor of Adolph Boris the Minister under President Grant) received a new destroyer, USS Borie (DD-704)
    He fought in the Pacific Ocean, survived the attack of the Japanese kamikaze.
    He participated in the war and the evacuation of Korea, as well as Haifa and Gaza during the fighting.
    He participated in the launch program of Mercury with monkeys on board.
    Participated in the Caribbean crisis in the blockade of Cuba, forced to emerge one of the Soviet submarines, according to Wikipedia.
    In the Gulf of Tonkin, he participated in the Vietnam War, shelling the Mekong Delta.
    It was later sold to Argentina and received the name Hipólito Bouchard (D-26).
    He participated in the Falkland War. He was in the escort of the cruiser Belgrano at the moment when the British torpedoed him.
    Dismantled in 1984
    hi
  17. ser56
    ser56 21 October 2019 13: 56
    +2
    strange why a ram was needed? EM 4 * 102 mm guns - as on Novik ... request
    The distance of the battle at a distance of the direct shot range is difficult to miss ... hi
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 21 October 2019 17: 23
      +3
      Quote: ser56
      strange why a ram was needed? EM 4 * 102 mm guns - as on Novik ...

      To drown with a guarantee. Night, storm (waves up to 4,5 m), wind - in short, it was highly discouraged to break away from the submarine to fire from the EM main battery. And at close range, the submarine was too low a target - the declination angle of 4 "and 3" was simply not enough. And all the firepower of the EM was reduced to one "Oerlikon" and one machine gun.
      By the way, the German submariners were doubly unlucky: four days before the battle, the crew’s actions in the case of a ram ram were practiced on the EM, moreover, from the same side. So the crew of EM began to act without a team.
      Ramming in the first half of WWII was a fairly common means of destroying submarines - only lime escorters rammed about a dozen submarines.
      1. bubalik
        21 October 2019 18: 01
        +3
        Alexey RA (Alexey) Today, 18: 23

        Night, storm (waves up to 4,5 m)
        ,,, and in such conditions they raised the boat from the first bombing to the top.
      2. ser56
        ser56 22 October 2019 11: 50
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        To drown with a guarantee

        It’s clear, but the target is captured by a searchlight, the rate of fire of 10v / min guns is 40 shells / min, even with 10% of hits it is 4 shells of 15kg each ... The boat can no longer be loaded - except without surfacing ... request
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 22 October 2019 13: 38
          +1
          Quote: ser56
          It’s clear, but the target is captured by a searchlight, the rate of guns 10v / min is 40 shells / min, even with 10% of hits it is 4 shells of 15kg each ...

          Right. But in order to put into action the tools you need to break the distance. In this case, you can either lose contact with the submarine, or substitute the EM for a torpedo strike (especially since the maneuverability of the submarine was higher).
          1. bubalik
            22 October 2019 13: 45
            +2
            either substitute EM for a torpedo strike
            hi it is strange that not one torpedo attack was carried out with U-405.
  18. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 21 October 2019 17: 30
    +2
    The destroyer Borie (DD-215 Borie) had a total displacement of 1699 tons; travel speed - 35uz; main caliber guns - 4x102 mm. Auxiliary / anti-aircraft artillery consisted of 1x76-mm guns, 6x7,62-mm machine guns. Mine and torpedo armament: 4x3 x 533 mm TA.

    This is the design armament at the time of delivery to the fleet. In 1943, the EM underwent modernization: it received a radar, lost four of its six machine guns, but received two Erlikons. In combat with U-405, the fire of the Oerlikon EM was described as "having a devastating effect."
  19. skif8013
    skif8013 21 October 2019 18: 38
    +1
    Thank you for the article ! I haven’t read anything in the past!