In Russia, began the development of small arms for a different caliber

The Russian state corporation "Rostec" creates a reserve for the future, leading the development of small arms weapons for new calibers. This was told by the industrial director of the cluster of conventional weapons, ammunition and special chemicals of the corporation Sergey Abramov, reports TASS.

According to Abramov, the corporation’s specialists are currently working on the creation of small arms for a different caliber, which is not used in the Russian army, however, he did not explain what kind of weapons and calibers they are currently working on.

Shooting offers are of course. We have development work on new shooting calibers

- he said.

Abramov explained that the corporation is closely monitoring global trends in the development of conventional weapons, including the further development of small arms in the United States.

The war is becoming very smart, and one must be prepared for this war. We know not only our strategy, but also the military strategy of the Americans. Understanding the backlogs we have

- he explained.

Note that the United States adopted a national rearmament program Next Generation Squad Weapons (NGSW), according to which the American army will gradually abandon the main caliber 5,56 mm, moving to a new one - 6,8 mm.

Earlier in Russia, proposals were also made to abandon the main army caliber 5,45 mm, since this ammunition has insufficient penetrative effect on manpower in modern personal protective equipment.

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[aszzz888]

As long as there is a shooter, so much is exaggerating this topic. Wait and see.

[Greg Miller]

At the sunset of the Soviet regime in our country, a beautiful 6x49 mm cartridge was developed. They already wrote about him here

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[YOUR]

And weapons were developed for him - a unified machine gun 6 mm, sniper rifle TKB-0145, SVK.

[g1washntwn]

To paraphrase a little: Whoever comes to us with a sword is from his sword and perish.
Why not? This method of replenishing BC has been used since the time of the sling and bow.

[Potato]

If 5.45 is already missing, then you also need to develop your own program for switching to a more lethal caliber.

But for the good old ones to find application) the program should be economical so that none of the 5.45th or 7.62nd do not rot in vain

[Sling cutter]

Antokha And what does not suit 7,62?

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Quote: Stroporez

Antokha And what does not suit 7,62?

Wearable safety less.

[Sling cutter]

Andrei So if you still increase the caliber, then what will happen? Another wearable BC will decrease!

[PROXOR]

New stores are already plastic. Now fine.

[Sling cutter]

Sergei I got it right? Is that you?
In my time, there was no plastic under 7,62, as now, I can’t say, but I think it’s unlikely that they appeared, and under 5,45 they were red.

[oldzek]

Stroporez, in 68, I saw redheads in Prague with your guys; there were no 5,45 weapons yet.

[Sling cutter]

Nicholas Perhaps I won’t argue, unfortunately there weren’t such on my army. By the way, we were recently at a shooting range, the fighters had only metal shops, and we were fired with cartridges of 1989 release. Amazing called nearby)

[Letun]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

Wearable safety less.

And ballistics is worse.

[parkello]

still looking what 7.62. there are a lot of them, like 5,6, also a lot and everyone is different. I think that the best thing is to out-wrap the old 5,45 sleeve under the 6,5 bullet. And you can slightly add to the length of the bullet itself, but drown it deeper in the sleeve. recalibrate and there is nothing more.

[Sling cutter]

Yorgos The option is quite suitable and technologically acceptable.

[parkello]

Yes, I also think so. That’s quite suitable for me, although I'm a fan of the M-43. I just love this cartridge of Elizarov and Semin, and weapons to it. but if they do as I assume, from 5.45 to 6.5 mm, then I have nothing against it. 5,45 good caliber. But outdated. And 7.62 is still relevant. if I get the opportunity to choose from 5,45 and 7,62 AKs, I would choose 7.62. but you can try 6,5 mm. I shot in Crete from a rifle Carcano 6.5 mm (formerly Manlicher, but the cartridge is 6,5 Italian) I liked the rifle and the shots to it. good persistence, accuracy. Well, the truth was a bolt, but I didn’t deal with automation with this caliber. and from what I worked with. I choose 7,62.

[Sling cutter]

Yorgos Definitely 7,62, verified by experience But as for 6,5, I can’t imagine automation with this cartridge as a personal weapon.

[parkello]

frankly, I also can’t imagine what kind of automation will come out of it. but it seems to me quite a working sample will appear. Now, if I myself sat smoked, measured, twisted cartridges and made weapons for him. I would certainly have done everything as I would have liked on my machine gun. and just moving in a rag ... why tease yourself? there will be at least one working copy. we will draw conclusions. and while biting my nails with impatience ...)

[Sling cutter]

Yorgos Imagine that in one very famous design bureau in the world the rifle direction is destroyed as a class
But with respect to 6,5, there are more questions than answers, and one of them is BC and the weight of the product. Of course, I understand that the paratrooper at the time of the jump can have a bite to eat scrap, but not to the same extent It seems that all the same it is necessary to cut something out of 7,62, I’m even satisfied with the PC, I don’t think that even the most advanced bronik can handle this miracle.

[parkello]

imagined ... and got very angry, so I immediately imagined them all with blindfolds against a brick wall The PC also suits me to this day. although I served in the Greek army, we had more FN Mag and MG-3. but with weight it will not work out and light and powerful. here or or ... either a powerful or light cartridge (in this case, you don't need to change anything, there 5.45 is just light and the recoil is like a small thing, and puts it in a heap. It's easier not to reduce the cartridge. if not to carry extra pounds.Otherwise, if you fight purely with weight, you need to create caseless cartridges.And this oh mura is still the same ... and on liquid "gunpowder" they made weapons and caseless ... all to the cat under ffost.

[Sling cutter]

Yorgos About service in the Greek army, you surprised me And in practice, at BV, they tried to take as few magazines as possible, four in a "bra" (do not drag armor armor) a couple under electrical tape, the rest is either in packs or loose in all available places, you don't cram too much in RDeshka, there and so " soputki "like shit for a bath Starting from devouring and ending with shots to the borders or another 1-2mines loaded. That trophy was really more interesting So I’m saying how to carry 6,5 on yourself, it’s terrible horror

[parkello]

but what surprised you? I’ve been in Greece since 1992 .. in 95 they called, I had to serve .. but what should I do?) Well, you are talking about gravity correctly. I especially didn’t like to wear loose powder. I had an NK-11, so in addition to stores 6 pieces in a bra + 2 insulating tape in the receiver, I had to drag an interchangeable barrel, spare parts for the shutter and receiver. So that I could use the tape and the tape was equipped with 75-100 rounds. 2 such tapes in a backpack (m-71), the rest is on the hips, there is a shovel and a flask and a flashlight and batteries for it and a radio and a walkie-talkie ... well even if you did not take binoculars and sights (night-time 2 suitcases) especially in the summer with our 43+ on 1 zinc the usual 1 zinc tracers yet. Well, the first 3-5 tracers in the store, and on top the usual ones. you’ll be guided by the tracers when the cartridges run out. and through the mountains .. like a damn .. Greek-Albanian border .. caught the defectors. there are Albanians. gypsies ... every people. and they ran in the mountains so much that sometimes they just wanted to shoot them and not run anymore. so yes ... the machine gun itself weighed 10 kg, so even carry sights, look do not spoil .. but then 7 times the price will increase if you ruin. you won’t believe it. I didn’t believe it when I ended up at home .. I was threatened so much that I would never get the rosalium (order paper), they say two periods of service I earned (penal) 180 days of service were ..6 months ... we have a guardhouse did not have . we were so punished, they say you muddied shaw, you will serve 40 days, 50 days. 100 days. for 18 months, 6 months of re-service, they slapped me .. for greyhound. well, and so little by little. all who could, whom he could get. as they say small, but shitty ...

[Sling cutter]

Yorgos It would be interesting to drop by to visit you, to discuss, so to speak, in a friendly atmosphere , and warm the bones required. You probably still have a mighty summer?

[parkello]

of course. in Thessaloniki, the weather lasts until November, later it rains for weeks. and snow is rare, although it happens, but not more than 3-4 days. then mud and slush. but so quite so. Well, if you find yourself with us, come in. it's easy to find me here. the main thing is to be here and meow "through the window". and that's it ... and we'll warm up the bones and lie on Sonya and heat the skins and pamper our carcasses in every possible way)

[Sling cutter]

Yorgos Bro, you poisoned my fallen soul!))) I dream! For this year, apparently, my financial possibilities for traveling were exhausted, although the impossible is possible!)
Very me there vodofka ndravitstsa! 12 is called

[parkello]

Are you talking about Uzo 12? aniseed vodka ... really good. but there is still a brandy (Tsipuro in Greek) well, or as they call it in Crete ... moonshine as chacha. only with the addition of anise. and chacha is. only its grappa is called. drank and let the whole world wait well, God help brother, if you can be here, come. go fishing. grill the octopus on charcoal (just under ouzo 12 a great snack) we’ll go to Mount Athos, or to Meteora. and there will be a car and I’ll pick up Filippov and Pella (the ancient capital of Macedonia), I once worked with tourists from the Russian Federation. so skills and dating are available. we will get drunk with you further by choice ... either beat muzzles or sing songs ... I also know how by the way. and so. if you want here is my profile on the FB. come in, make friends .https: //www.facebook.com/george.paraskevopoulos.77

[Sling cutter]

Yorgos My hedgehog!))) You painted a picture for me, already drooling !!!! I’ll try to comply, only it’s hard now we have the denyushki ...., survived, damn it.
I caught the profile, then in PM!

[Sling cutter]

Mi-sha Sha, expensive in Crimea, cheaper in Greece with excellent quality of service and more.

[Letun]

Quote: parkello

and the machines themselves will only re-calibrate the trunks and nothing more.

I don’t understand, are you seriously speaking about simply squandering the barrel from 5,45 to 6,5? Like, such an upgrade?
You can immediately see a seasoned designer, material scientist and production worker in one bottle

[Sling cutter]

Letun Parkello talked about something completely different, read carefully.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Well, they switched to small-caliber, 7,62 rounds were hard and few. 5,45 rounds are lighter and stock larger. But penetration is low. Now they will probably be wise in the region of 6-7 mm. Maybe they’ll make a bullet longer, maybe the bullet will be like a rocket nozzle with smokeless powder. Why not? They fired the gunpowder and he went on to burn, dispersing a mini-rocket. Is nanotechnology a problem to stir up everything? And here is the reload mechanism! Here probably all turnips are scratched! Look, when there was lamp electronics, it was problematic to make a cell on lamps! No one could have imagined that he would fit into a pocket like a notebook. And who knows what new bullet they’ll come up with? Maybe it will be 10 mm but with a homing head !? I aimed at the target and forgot! And the bullet itself will chase the target! With such accuracy, the caliber will not be particularly relevant. A hundred of these cartridges per fighter is enough for the eyes. We are moving towards smart weapons. And why does a bullet have to be lead with a steel (or from depleted uranium) core? Today, a drone war is really going on. Already make drones the size of insects.

[Sling cutter]

union In your reasoning, of course there is fiction, but really, who would have thought in the 1960th year that in reality you would carry a TV, video phone, navigator, video camera in one box in your pocket

[Avis-bis]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

maybe the bullet will be like a rocket nozzle with smokeless powder. Why not? They fired the gunpowder and he went on to burn, dispersing a mini-rocket.

They tried. "Volcanic" and "Girojet". Nothing sensible came out. And it is unlikely that something has changed since then.
[media = https: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet]

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Well, our Daggers, Vanguards and nuclear rocket engines were also born in those years. Time has passed, technology has changed and ideas have come true. Therefore, with the development of technology, who knows! When they created nuclear weapons, they thought everything, this is the limit of the development of weapons. But we are still fighting! Of course, not with nuclear weapons, but simpler. The use of thermal imaging sights is very effective. And the cost is much cheaper than nuclear charges. Therefore, the creation of smart cartridges is quite logical. Why shoot armor? Over the tanks hit weak points. If you get in the eye, how will you fight, effectively? And if in the nose? When the midge creeps into your nose and ears, how do you feel? So it is here. They will create a bullet capable of getting into the eyes, nose and ears and what to do? Wear a face mask? Can create a bullet like a pencil. If you get into bulletproof vest you will get a poke and scatter of the mass of small fragments that will cut open areas. Today it does not look real. But progress on the creation of means of murder does not stand still. Who could believe 20-30 years ago that you can fight with aircraft models? So, a circle of children's creativity on the construction of aircraft models. But this weapon was far from childish and it was not so easy to defend against it.

[Simargl]

Quote: Avis-bis

They tried. "Volcanic" and "Girojet".

Only Volcanic. But he has a small amount of gunpowder.
The gyrojet is purely reactive.
On the other hand, there is an AGS-40.

[Droid]

Normal penetration. And they switched first of all because of the high efficiency 5,45.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Quote: Stroporez

Antokha And what does not suit 7,62?

There is one more reason: at 6,8 × 43 Remmington, the stopping effect is higher in the entire range of distances: keep Vicki. Since the future is not sad for 6,8 × 43.

[Droid]

Yes, to whom it surrendered to 50+ meters.

[Droid]

Efficiency is not satisfied.

[Weaponmaster]

Its slaughter is not designed for body armor. Though...
We should ask what is connected with the use of BB bullets there and why M43 is not being upgraded.

[Droid]

Everything is fine with 5,45. While the infantry did not put on exoskeletons, he did not care about NIB.

[Alf]

Quote: Potato

so that not a single 5.45th or 7.62nd rot in vain

But did the war end in Africa and Asia?

[Weaponmaster]

It is necessary to develop a new cartridge for the old cartridge case, then the release of new weapons will actually be reduced to re-existing existing samples. The rest is much simpler.

[Zaurbek]

At least the US and China are working on a 6.8mm 9mm machine gun

[Potato]

Whoever will be the first to launch a cannon under the "new slaughter without an analog caliber" will seize the market. Because if something new appears, who will buy the old one? Here are the Americans and the Chinese and compete ...

[PROXOR]

The first founder of small arms (personally wearable) - reliability! Hence the longevity of Kalash. So far, its reliability is beyond competition. Something like Heckler and Koch and Tabor got something comparable. But this is only now, and Kalash has been in service since 1946.

[uav80]

Sense of China to saw 6,8 if you have your own 5,8 * 42 and a new machine QBZ-191 under it ...

[Potato]

The point is novelty and fashion. Pure marketing. Who has an iPhone ... Oh, a cartridge, newer, they’ll buy from that one)))

[Zaurbek]

The meaning is to stop rushing between 5.45 5,56, 7,62 x39 and 7,62x51. And make a single inter cartridge.

[CAT BAIYUN]

The creation of a new model of weapons, as I understand it, begins with the creation of ammunition.
Question: Is there any new ammunition (even of a different caliber)?
So far, only assumptions about the need for its creation.

[Yrec]

This time, I think, ours will not fence a new cartridge, but will take a mattress cartridge 6,8x43 (the length of the sleeve may change). The calculation is simple - you can use enemy cartridges. The fact that cartridges 5,45x39, 7,62x39, 5,56x45 have outlived their usefulness is obvious. Their energy is not enough to pierce modern PPE almost point-blank. Now the bullet should fly much faster than 1000 m / s, but if it hits an unprotected PPE target, it can "sew". In short, it's not that simple. It will be possible to wave the handle to the "low-impulse machine", the cartridge is close in size to the rifle one with all the factors due. I'm afraid the Kalashoids' automation scheme does not fit the rifle impulse - the accuracy will completely drop during bursts. The main mode of fire will be single, and the weight of the weapon will increase by about 1 kg, otherwise the recoil will be excessive. A new bullet-armor race has begun.

[Sling cutter]

Yrec (Yuri) We were taught, first a cartridge, then a weapon. The creation and release of a new cartridge is a very hemorrhoid event. In fact, new cartridge plants with all the consequences will be needed.
By the way, "Armata" does not go to the masses due to the lack of shells for the new cannon, so they still continue to cut a thread from the old woman 72.

[Yrec]

Therefore, I believe that they themselves will not make a new cartridge, but will take a new mattress.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Yrec

Therefore, I believe that they themselves will not make a new cartridge, but will take a new mattress.

How do you get it? Will you buy?

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Quote: Yrec

Therefore, I believe that they themselves will not make a new cartridge, but will take a new mattress.

And what's the point of doing copying? Then it’s easier, ready to start stamping.

[ssergey1978]

If the bullet has a speed of 1000 m. S. no matter what she sews there will be a powerful water hammer. I do not agree that 5.56x45 and 7.62x39 have become obsolete.

[PROXOR]

I do not agree about 7,62 * 39. The cartridge is very powerful. It was removed for only two reasons. Less wearable ammunition, poor accuracy when firing bursts.
Recent regional conflicts have shown that Kalashi with a cartridge of 7,62 * 39 is very good. From it, and masonry is not a fortification.

[PROXOR]

Quote: Yrec

The calculation is simple - you can use the cartridges of the enemy. The fact that the cartridges 5,45x39, 7,62x39, 5,56x45 have become obsolete

Excuse me, what is holding a 7,62 * 39 bullet point-blank now? Yes, and from 5,45 little holds.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Quote: PROXOR

Quote: Yrec

The calculation is simple - you can use the cartridges of the enemy. The fact that the cartridges 5,45x39, 7,62x39, 5,56x45 have become obsolete

Excuse me, what is holding a 7,62 * 39 bullet point-blank now? Yes, and from 5,45 little holds.

Point blank is the last thing you could wish for: Myself ...

[parkello]

A properly installed DTK solves a bunch of issues with a toss of the trunk and accuracy. + Add a little balance as on AEK-971 and you can solve a couple of issues. but about 7,62 * 39, it will not become obsolete for a long time, unlike 5.56 and 5.52 (5,45)

[Droid]

For the idea of ​​switching to 6,5 mm, you need to drive for unsuitability. At the moment, there is no alternative to the 5,45 mm machine.

[Pessimist22]

It is necessary to improve the quality of gunpowder and the quality of manufacture of cartridges, and not engage in nonsense.

[antivirus]

I'm talking about a bath for lousy - chemistry starts at 15 years old, at school + 10 years of high school, and the practice of becoming an engineer.
all this needs to be done - PERSONNEL PREPARE FOR 10 YEARS BEFORE TRANSITION TO THE CARTRIDGE. who will be the gunpowder, etc.

[Pessimist22]

That is the problem.

[Lexus]

Do you remember the stories of the massive bankruptcy of gunpowder and cartridge plants? With a special steel plant used to make cores?

[Dzafdet]

There seemed to be around 6,5 mm dances with a tambourine ...

[Pavel57]

Return to the 6,5mm Fedorov cartridge.

[Ryaruav]

I agree the Arisakov caliber is the most balanced

[Pavel57]

I already wrote in another thread that initially Fedorov created a system - a cartridge - an automatic machine, but it was not realistic to produce a unique cartridge in war conditions, so Fedorov redid the machine under a standard Japanese cartridge, also adopted by the Russian army, although weaker.

[Droid]

Fedorov created a pure rifle cartridge. A normal machine for it is impossible. And his machine guns fired with Japanese cartridges, they have less power and momentum.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Quote: Pavel57

Return to the 6,5mm Fedorov cartridge.

This cartridge is not convenient, its dimensions are large for a machine gun, it is closer to rifles or carbines.

[Pavel57]

Choosing a new cartridge is always a difficult process, the risk of error will come back for decades.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Of course, it’s not easy, but to make a new one from the old one is also not the best option. Yes, and this cartridge is not suitable for automatic machines.

[PROXOR]

6,5 is the cartridge of Arisaka. Fedorov developed an automatic rifle for this cartridge.

[Sling cutter]

Strange thing, we have a wide variety of calibers, under which you can create new models of riflemen. And the transition to a completely new caliber is the ruin (cut) of the country's budget.

[tarabar]

If you are planning to rearm the army to a new caliber, and the event is so expensive, then the topic of liquid propellant, a combustible or partially combustible cartridge case, a cartridgeless cartridge, etc., is no longer relevant. A few years ago, these areas were considered fashionable and promising, but if it is now up to re-equipping, it is better to combine it with the prospect of using new designs, and if there is just a new cartridge for a larger caliber, then the promising directions have turned out to be not very promising. After this rearmament, we are already waiting for beam weapons.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

2,6 × 17 will be the most (6,6 × 43).

[Pavel57]

Cartridge - 6,5 × 50 mm Arisaka, almost intermediate.

[Denimax]

And if you still change the layout of all weapons. Take the bulpap and turn it over so that the store is on top. Shoot from the shoulder like an RPG. In my opinion, shooting at a vskidka will be more convenient, hands unloaded the entire weight of the weapon on the shoulder. IMHO

[Jurkovs]

Design work on the creation of weapons should be ongoing. Otherwise, you can lose competence. And to accept or not to adopt it is a completely different matter.

[Doctor]

Again, look in the West mouth. Since the time of Peter began. There are no beards and in wigs and with us too. There is a linear tactic and we are built. The British rivet armadillos, we repeat. The Americans switched to small caliber and we are behind them.
In the country, a bunch of parasites with specialized education are engaged in "strategic research" on all issues. On TV, crowds of "experts" know the answers to all questions.
No sense. All the same, everything is copied, from social institutions to cowards, as a rule worse than the original.
It would seem something simpler. Create a group with the participation of all interested parties from weapons historians, ballistics and combatants to lathe locksmiths. Make thousands of 300 ammunition with different gunpowders, weights, types of bullets and calibers from 5,5 to 8,0 in increments of 0,01. Conduct several thousand tests on objects of different types with different degrees of protection, in different conditions. Summarize the results. Draw conclusions. Choose the best universal cartridge for an automatic rifle and machine gun.
And start production without looking back at anyone, relying on your convincing material, and not on the fact that "the British do not clean guns with bricks."
But no. We will wait until the United States begins to make our own, steal it and try to repeat it based on our production capabilities.
Dead end, originally.

[Ironcity]

This is the approach! Bravo! Conduct a hundred thousand experiments to verify what? Is there a science of ballistics that can get all these results in 5 minutes on a computer? Or is it necessary to send all these options to the army for trial operation? No, it’s better to wait for Americans than that.

[Doctor]

This is the approach! Bravo! Conduct a hundred thousand experiments to verify what? Is there a science of ballistics that can get all these results in 5 minutes on a computer? Or is it necessary to send all these options to the army for trial operation? No, it’s better to wait for Americans than that.

The only way. All computer theories are tested in practice. A key step in the scientific approach is experiment. And all that is possible, in public of course. The computer will not say how much harder it is to drag a store from 7,72 compared to 5,45.
Americans do not necessarily do the best. There are interested firms lobbying for their own, different industrial potential, a different "weapons philosophy", if you like.
This is the main problem: they squeeze money on R&D, rely on someone else's experience (not always suitable), and then spend 10 times more on remaking for themselves. And if only for small arms. The final example is the SU-57, a pale replica of the Raptor, given out as a super-plane going to our troops at a time when the States had already abandoned it.

[Father]

Why do something about small arms, if our military doctrine is a vigorous war, we all go to heaven, and they go to hell, not having time to repent? Who to fight with small arms? With china? So useless, in any caliber.

[Corn]

“Military doctrine” is a filkin letter, a declaration of someone’s fantasies, it does not force or limit anyone to anything.
Until the war threatens the health of the Kremlin elders, there can be no talk of any use of nuclear weapons.

[Evil 55]

Well, since Rostec has taken over, it means that until a dozen dachas on the Cote d'Azur are rebuilt, a couple of yachts for the "leading" managers will not be bought and several tens of billions of state money will not be mastered - they will not report anything worthy ..

[Corn]

Of the existing materials and calibers, everything has been squeezed to the maximum for a long time, each change will be a step into the past.
Yes, and there is simply no reason to change, the most popular army SIBZ are already starting to develop 5 classes and higher, i.e. to hold a rifle cartridge, respectively, for hitting such a target there is not a big difference between 5,45, 6.5 or 7.62.
If we change the small-arms ammunition, then switch to some hypersonic sub-caliber bullets in the telescopic cartridge.

[Pavel57]

The easiest way to make a cartridge is 6,5 x 39.

[Disorder]

Even before the revolution, studies were conducted in Russia to determine the optimal caliber. Based on these studies V.G. Fedorov designed the 6.5x57 cartridge, under which his own Vietnamese was subsequently designed. Until the end of his life, he advocated for a caliber of 6.5 mm, well, we preferred to confuse the staff of 5.56.

[Droid]

Do not talk nonsense. Fedorov did not advocate for 6,5 mm, but for reducing the caliber, which was done at 5,45. And no one in the United States was a parrot, a 5,45 mm cartridge was developed for 15 years.

[Disorder]

Spooked ... Spooked. Work on the Soviet cartridge began when trophies from Vietnam fell into the hands of our specialists. I suspect that a command was given - to do no worse.

[Chever]

Old song

[Kolin]

They have been talking about 6,7x51 for a long time and it seems like there are already experimental machine guns and sv. And yes, this is a rifle cartridge, 5,45 remains.

[serge siberian]

the Americans created a small-scale PP with a large magazine. Their police were outraged by sales for citizens. The line is long and the armor can’t stand it. And we have 5,45 * 45 and 5,6 with a long sleeve. The factories have not been modernized since the time of the union. Even the lines have not changed.

[APASUS]

It is time to switch to a new cartridge, I’m not saying that for normal sniper systems, we don’t do ammunition.

[itarnmag]

And where to put billions of rounds of 5,45?