Negotiations in Ankara: US pledges to "orderly" withdraw "Kurdish formations from the north of the SAR

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The Turkish president received representatives of the American administration. On a visit to Ankara, the "landing" of American officials led by Vice President Mike Pence landed. The main topic of negotiations with Recep Erdogan is to stop the operation "Peace Source", which the Turkish army is conducting in northern Syria.

Negotiations in Ankara: US pledges to "orderly" withdraw "Kurdish formations from the north of the SAR




The meeting took place with "cold, impenetrable" faces. Only the Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu allowed himself to smile, who was also present at the meeting with American guests. The delegation sent to Ankara Trump, in addition to Pence, included US Presidential Adviser on National Security Robert O'Brien, State Department head Mike Pompeo, US Ambassador to Turkey David Satterfield and Washington Special Representative for the Syrian Issue, James Jeffrey.

The meeting was held in the presidential complex and was exclusively closed, lasting more than 2,5 hours according to the official Turkish version, and more than 4 hours according to Mike Pence.

As a result, it turned out that US representatives found arguments to convince Turkey of the suspension of hostilities in northern Syria. At the same time, each side must convince its “allies” to abandon the hostilities: Turkey - the so-called "Syrian Free Army", the United States - Kurdish armed forces.

Fighting should cease within the next 5 days completely. At the same time, Mike Pence noted that the United States will contribute to the "orderly withdrawal" of Kurdish armed formations from the 30-km zone near the borders of Turkey. Where they will withdraw, - did not report.

Against this background, during a meeting with Turkish President Sergio Mattarela, Donald Trump said that the Kurdistan Workers Party "is in some moments probably worse than ISIS (a terrorist group banned in the Russian Federation)."
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    1. +1
      18 October 2019 06: 20
      Well, this is because of giving Amers time to collect things to exit.
      1. +4
        18 October 2019 06: 56
        Quote: evgen1221
        Well, this is because of giving Amers time to collect things to exit.

        It’s not going to take long (as practice shows), and the camps are throwing both equipment and ammunition. Well, well, they can afford it. But here, most likely, the reason for the negotiations was the desire of the P-ows to save from complete destruction the real combat force under their control - the Kurdish units. And at the same time to save face, because they promised protection to the Kurds. Most likely the Turks were asked to limit themselves to 30 km. from the border, and the Kurds will be taken out a little further into Syria and will be told: “Well, that's it. And Assad and his comrades will have to negotiate (i.e. make concessions) or finish off the Kurds. Tricky move. Let's see what the answer will be.
        1. +1
          18 October 2019 07: 09
          Negotiations in Ankara: US pledges to "orderly" withdraw "Kurdish formations from the north of the SAR
          "Kurdish formations" - part of the US army?
          1. +1
            18 October 2019 07: 17
            The US is trying to reduce image losses. Like they didn’t throw anyone, we had a cunning plan. But in fact, the Syrian knot is tightening ever tighter.
            1. 0
              18 October 2019 07: 27
              Donald Trump said that the Kurdistan Workers' Party "in some respects is probably worse than ISIS (a terrorist group banned in the Russian Federation)."

              If quotation is taken in quotation marks, then we must confine ourselves to a verbatim quote.
              But according to the law of the Russian Federation, it is necessary to add "(terrorist group banned in the Russian Federation)" to ISIS in the Russian media.
              Here's an interesting Trump quote laughing
              As for the content of the quote - of course, for the United States, the Kurds are worse "in some points." For example, in financing
          2. 0
            18 October 2019 09: 05
            These are ideologically irreconcilable Kurdish formations that support "Kurdistan". That is, the Americans simply exploit the idea of ​​an "Islamic state" * (prohibited in the Russian Federation), but on the basis of the Kurdish liberation idea.
          3. +1
            18 October 2019 09: 21
            Well, yes, officially it is their "proxy", as it is fashionable to say now. True, after the Americans skidded, it is not entirely clear how they will give them orders to withdraw. Though it looks more like face saving or whatever they got instead. They dump themselves, the Kurds surrender the territory next, Pence flies to Turkey and informs everyone that we have agreed that we will dump or rather retreat to the prepared positions, everything is fine, we won as always, hurray.
        2. +1
          18 October 2019 08: 10
          Quote: Polite Elk
          But here, most likely, the reason for the negotiations was the desire of the n-sovs to save from complete destruction the real combat force under their control - the Kurdish units.

          If there was a desire, then they would not have thrown their Kurdish allies through the vegetable and did not withdraw their troops, but balamuti as before.
          Quote: Polite Elk
          And at the same time to save face, because they promised protection to the Kurds. Most likely the Turks were asked to limit themselves to 30 km. from the border, and the Kurds will be taken out a little further into Syria and will be told: “Well, that's it. And Assad and his comrades will have to negotiate (i.e. make concessions) or finish off the Kurds. Tricky move. Let's see what the answer will be.

          The Kurds yesterday refused to subscribe to the fact that Ankara and Washington blinded them for the reason that they did not participate in this conspiracy and decided everything without their knowledge. And yes, one thing is right - the United States is trying to save face and already knowingly that the Kurds will refuse, which will give them the opportunity to refer to the fact that they offered the Kurds a peace plan, but they refused.
          1. -1
            18 October 2019 08: 57
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            If there was a desire, then they would not have thrown their Kurdish allies through the vegetable and did not withdraw their troops, but balamuti as before.

            The Turks, in their desire to solve the Kurdish issue, were not led into persuasion and threats and were flooded with a drill. For the n-sovs, supporting the Kurds in this situation would mean entering into a direct confrontation with Turkey and finally losing it as an ally and buyer of weapons. The direct armed confrontation between the US and Turkey, a member of NATO, is also extremely undesirable. And how else to save one of the few remaining destabilizing factors in the region? So the n-ss are now trying to eat the fish, and more. And the fact that the ps-s finally leave Syria I have little faith in.
            1. +1
              18 October 2019 09: 37
              Quote: Polite Elk
              For the n-sovs, supporting the Kurds in this situation would mean entering into a direct confrontation with Turkey and finally losing it as an ally and buyer of weapons.

              All this is conditional. The Americans agreed to a security zone of 5 km. and a width of 400. Russia, Iran and Syria agreed but for 15 km, and the Turks wanted 40, but agreed on 30 km. This suggests that the mattresses initially agreed to the safety zone, but did not agree at the depth of this zone. The lack of desire to move forward and demonstrate a willingness to negotiate with their "ally" led the Turks to begin to implement their plan. And so, the United States entered into a confrontation with the Turkish authorities back in 2016, when they blessed the Gulenites for a coup. Sanctions and the refusal to sell the F-35 happened even before the Turkish offensive in Syria, and the fact that NATO countries refuse to supply weapons to the Turks as a "disciplinary" measure of influence, the Turks must have calculated and alternative suppliers of the dropped volumes of weapons were foreseen in advance in the person of the same Russia and China, which are able to satisfy their needs with quality weapons and, which is no less important, are much cheaper. In this case, payments will be made not for dollars, but in national currencies.
              Quote: Polite Elk
              The direct armed confrontation between the US and Turkey, a member of NATO, is also extremely undesirable.
              Therefore, the mattresses and got on the skis, because at the last moment they turned on their heads and realized the seriousness of Erdogan’s intentions. Zaruba with Turkey is first of all not needed by the USA itself. it will destroy the whole NATO barn.
              Quote: Polite Elk
              And the fact that the ps-s finally leave Syria I have little faith in.
              I fully share your opinion. They dig in the border territories of Iraq and Jordan and will continue to crap with zeal and rapture.
              1. 0
                18 October 2019 10: 27
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                Therefore, the mattresses and got on the skis, because at the last moment they turned on their heads and realized the seriousness of Erdogan’s intentions.

                The sirs did not expect until the last that everything would be adult, they thought that the Sultan would not dare. Therefore, I had to tear the claws.
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                They dig in the border territories of Iraq and Jordan and will continue to crap with zeal and rapture.

                Inviting the Kurds and the remnants of the barmaley to fight the bloody ophthalmologist for the sake of a free and independent Kurdistan from mozh to mozh.
                PS The situation with the ceasefire between the Turks and the Kurds can be fundamentally changed by a successful ATGM salvo (high-profile likes belonging to YPG) on Turkish armored vehicles with sacred victims.
                1. +2
                  18 October 2019 10: 42
                  Quote: Polite Elk
                  PS The situation with the ceasefire between the Turks and the Kurds can be fundamentally changed by a successful ATGM salvo (high-profile likes belonging to YPG) on Turkish armored vehicles with sacred victims.

                  It seems to me that this will not happen and the Kurds will conscientiously observe the 120-hour truce only for the reason that they use these five days to regroup their forces, strengthen their positions in the main directions, replenish with weapons and will certainly frighten transport lines in order to maximize the complication of movement Turkish second-hand equipment in case of a renewed offensive. The truce is right for them. Most likely, these 5 days are needed by the mattresses themselves in order to pull out some of the "sins" forgotten during the "decisive" retreat from the zone of b / actions, the fall of which into the hands of the Turks, and even more so the Syrians and Russians, would be extremely undesirable.
                  1. +1
                    18 October 2019 11: 12
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    The Kurds will faithfully observe the 120-hour truce only for the reason that they use these five days to regroup their forces, to strengthen their positions in the main areas,

                    I totally agree.
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    It seems to me that this will not happen

                    By the free will of the Kurds - of course not. That is why I wrote (highlighted likely belonging to YPG) The main thing is to "arrive" from the right direction.
          2. 0
            18 October 2019 09: 10
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            The United States is trying to save face and already knowingly knew that the Kurds would refuse, which would give them the opportunity to refer to the fact that they were offering the Kurds a peace plan, but they themselves refused.

            The United States, first of all, is trying to convince everyone that it was not they who whispered to the Kurds about Kurdistan, the differences of which from the IS (banned in the Russian Federation) are purely symbolic. They encouraged and supported terrorist methods and now they are evacuating themselves and those who are irreconcilable with the classic "innocent me!"
        3. 0
          18 October 2019 10: 37
          And Assad and his comrades will have to agree (i.e. make concessions) or finish off the Kurds

          And for him, this IMHO is far from the worst option.
          1. 0
            18 October 2019 11: 48
            Quote: alexmach
            And for him, this IMHO is far from the worst option.

            Yes, how to say. If the Kurds resist and demand more than what is permissible (and it seems to me that it will be so), then they will have to be "persuaded" from the air or something else. And if armed "objections" follow from their side and the SAA fighters die, then it will be safe to talk about a new round of the Middle East war. Again, the defenders of democracy will return, if not in the form of bases in Syria, then in the form of missile and air strikes from the territory of neighbors. The region will be pumped with weapons again. Again, there will be an international howl about the genocide of the poor lambs - Kurds. Sanctions, etc. So, it would be better to leave the "Kurdish question" to the Turks. This is purely my personal vision of the situation. I could be wrong. hi
            1. 0
              18 October 2019 11: 52
              If the Kurds resist and demand in excess of what is permissible (and it seems to me that it will be so), then they will have to be "persuaded" from the air or else

              This is not the Ukrainians, the east is a delicate matter, but they live in this east. I think they are not in the exact situation that they would rest against, besides they seem to have already started negotiations with Assad and Russia, and it seems that some cities and settlements are already occupied.
              1. 0
                18 October 2019 11: 57
                Quote: alexmach
                I think they’re not quite in that situation, which would rest against,

                Yes, their advisers are too cunning. And it is still unknown what Assad will demand from the Kurds. Although unlikely, it can also "go overboard". And the situation they have, I agree, is a complete ... life turmoil.
                1. 0
                  18 October 2019 15: 44
                  And the situation they have, I agree, is a complete ... life disorder.

                  I do not quite agree. In general, until now they are not relatively bad at experiencing difficult times in Syria
                  1. 0
                    18 October 2019 15: 53
                    Quote: alexmach
                    still

                    This is the key word. How it goes further - we'll see. But at the moment, Kurdish ballast is not needed by either Assad, or Erdogan, or Putin. It would be fine if the Kurds side by side with the SAA fighters fought IS, otherwise they were trying to play their game. Now they realized that they had bet on the wrong horse. I believe that the Kurds will have to seriously "deflate" in the negotiations. Although, who knows where the curve will take. The game is not over yet.
      2. -1
        18 October 2019 09: 46
        And CAA take up more territory
    2. +4
      18 October 2019 06: 21
      Let's see how they can "persuade" the same Kurds ...
      1. +2
        18 October 2019 06: 58
        Quote: 210ox
        Let's see how they can "persuade" the same Kurds ...

        Usually by aviation.
      2. +1
        18 October 2019 07: 17
        Trump wrote that it took a little tough love to reach this deal ... smile
        without petroleum jelly or what? laughing and using a mop?
        1. +1
          18 October 2019 07: 29
          Quote: den3080
          Trump wrote that it took a little tough love to reach this deal ... smile
          without petroleum jelly or what? laughing and using a mop?

          I will vomit right now ...
    3. +1
      18 October 2019 06: 23
      And the Americans also promised to lift sanctions if Turkey ceases fire. And the Turks said they received from the US what they wanted.
      So that? Erdogan leaked? Trump leaked?
      Or...
      Well, of course? who else besides Putin "leaked"! So there’s no one else in the end.
      wink lol
    4. -1
      18 October 2019 06: 26
      Two bullies met and began to force each other to peace. Where is the world of Katitsa?
      By the way, didn’t our one come in? He’s the main one in the Middle East, recently he cruised across the Arab countries. Yes, and with Recep, his mother, Taip kakbe friend. The image of the peacemaker and the main political superman of the planet, again, must be maintained.
      1. +2
        18 October 2019 06: 51
        Quote: Dalny V
        need to support.

        Missile launches in the framework of the Thunder-2019 exercises were held under the leadership of Putin
        1. -2
          18 October 2019 07: 10
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Quote: Dalny V
          need to support.

          Missile launches in the framework of the Thunder-2019 exercises were held under the leadership of Putin

          and the first launches of "calibers" for the day, like a fireworks ...
      2. +2
        18 October 2019 06: 55
        Quote: Dalny V
        By the way, didn’t our one come in?

        Where is Erdogan going? In Sochi? Not? Striped-eared only want to "save face" ... And ours does not need to interfere ... The Syrians, without a fight and other kundshtuk, regained the eastern coast and the oil fields !!!
        And this is just a couple of bases, reinforced air regiment and military police regiment !!! Must be able smile
      3. 0
        18 October 2019 11: 04
        and ours didn’t intervene? He’s the chief in the Middle East

        Our did not intervene, because he wants to leave Trump at the helm ... He is convenient, but the elections are coming soon ... Trump really needs image promotion, so Our shared ...) hi
    5. -1
      18 October 2019 06: 36
      US pledged to "orderly withdraw" Kurdish formations from the north of the SAR
      Here they are muddied, when it was possible to do all this before stripping, or simply did not want to fall in the mud with whales.
    6. +6
      18 October 2019 06: 46
      In my opinion, this whole theater was planned in advance. Everyone achieved their goals and saved their face, all but the Kurds.
    7. +2
      18 October 2019 06: 52
      The organizers coordinated their activities.
    8. +4
      18 October 2019 07: 08
      Well, in fact, Erdogan received what he declared - 30 km from the border without a single Kurd. Surrender is complete!
      In general, plus the fact that the Amers and the French with shaving from Syria kicked out - also zero buzz)
    9. 0
      18 October 2019 07: 16
      Trade has gone!
      In principle, expected.
      Whether there will still be oh, oh. Oh! Or maybe not?
    10. +2
      18 October 2019 07: 46
      Good, kind ... But could the result be different, the best for Turkey, Russia and Syria. Assad and Russia hurried with those cities.
    11. +4
      18 October 2019 07: 53
      Against this background during a meeting with Turkish President Sergio Mattarela Donald Trump said

      How did the Italian president become Turkish?
      This is a move, however laughing
    12. Ah
      0
      18 October 2019 08: 00
      Which is to be expected. The US sanctions and pressure on Turkey were just a diversion. In fact, each of these states, to one degree or another, achieved their goals: Turkey is still creating a "security zone", the United States is still the patron of Kurdish formations.
    13. -1
      18 October 2019 08: 02
      I wonder what the Sultan bargained for there? Maybe we'll find out over time ...
    14. -1
      18 October 2019 08: 15
      I used to think that the Americans from Syria now can not be expelled for decades.
      Now I am surprised at the speed of the ongoing process - they rushed themselves, and so,
      unexpectedly and hastily, that this is more like Napoleon’s flight (apparently not for nothing that Trump recently recalled him). Even 5 years ago (before the entry of our Armed Forces into Syria), a media went around in the media that Wang predicted the future of Russia. Like, Russia will become a world leader after the war in Syria. Then it seemed nonsense, but now - Yeah!
      1. 0
        18 October 2019 09: 20
        As far back as 5 years ago (before the entry of our Armed Forces into Syria), a media went around in the media that Wang predicted the future of Russia. Like, Russia will become a world leader after the war in Syria. Then it seemed nonsense, but now - Yeah!

        There are many documentary evidence that Wang said such things. But she meant, not the economy or the military field! Wang talked about spirituality! And not soon, but in the future, after the change of generations! A lot of time will pass before new people are born and come, with a higher spiritual level.
        As for Turkey, Vanga very clearly warned: "Do not expect anything good from the Turks !!"
    15. +1
      18 October 2019 09: 56
      Now the Americans will not just have to say "goodbye, then somehow themselves", but say "get out of here."
      The Americans no longer have authority among the Kurds, now they can become enemies. For the United States, there are now only 2 ways out - in a couple of days I could tell Erdogan “I couldn't” or start fighting against the Kurds on the side of the Turks. It all depends on the setting of the American Administration. Either they are dumped out of the area, or they decide to hold on to it.
      Beautifully spiders run around the bank ... now friends, then enemies.
    16. 0
      18 October 2019 10: 31
      during a meeting with Turkish President Sergio Mattarela Donald Trump said

      The author smoked what? Or undercooked? But really, what difference does it make whose president - Turkey or Italy! Who will analyze them there?
    17. 0
      18 October 2019 15: 50
      Michael Pence's face always seemed strange to me, at last the thought took shape - he seemed to have a mild form of Down syndrome.

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