The defeat of Japan in the 1945 year is a “mistake” of the USSR. Apologies are required from Russia

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For cooperation with Tokyo, Russia needs to acknowledge the Manchu Red Army’s operation against the Kwantung Army in August 1945 as a “mistake,” Japanese journalist Ryosuke Endo claims on the pages of the Sankei Shimbun pro-government newspaper. According to the author, the USSR “illegally” started the war against Japan in 1945, so Moscow must apologize. Only after this can fruitful relations between the two powers be built.

The defeat of Japan in the 1945 year is a “mistake” of the USSR. Apologies are required from Russia

Pacific Sailors fleet hoist the flag of the navy over Port Arthur. August 1945




"Error" of the USSR


Sankei Shimbun, a newspaper close to the Japanese ruling Liberal Democratic Party pushed next requirements to Russia. According to Japanese journalist Ryosuke Endo, the USSR military action against the Japanese Empire at the end of World War II was a “mistake”, and the internment of Japanese prisoners in general became a “state crime”.

A Japanese journalist who previously worked in Moscow relies on the views of his recently deceased friend, a retired colonel of Russian intelligence and an employee of the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Alexei Kirichenko. A retired colonel dealt with the problem of Japanese prisoners of war. Among his works - “Unknown moments. 200 years of Japanese-Russian relations. " By words Kirichenko, Stalin violated the neutrality pact and "attacked Japan", which created the problem of the "northern territories" and the tragedy of Japanese prisoners of war. The USSR captured about 600 thousand Japanese soldiers. More than 60 thousand people became victims of Siberian camps.

Japanese journalist Endo reports that a former colonel, a specialist in stories Russia-Japan problems, suggested sticking to the principle that the best “partner” for Russia in Asia is Japan. China cannot be trusted. Therefore, in order for Russia and Japan to begin sincere cooperation, Moscow needs to “acknowledge the mistake that consisted in attacking Japan.” However how notes Japanese author, Russian President Vladimir Putin "insists on the justice of the outbreak of hostilities against Japan." Putin, apparently, is not inclined to solve the problem of the "northern territories" and in recent years "has been demonstrating a" honeymoon "with China."

Japanese revenge


Interestingly, the Japanese did not direct their anger at the United States, which tens of thousands of peaceful Japanese burned with carpet bombing and delivered two nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, although they had no military significance. Not for Americans who have been in Japan from 1945 to the present day, depriving it of full sovereignty. And in the USSR and Russia.

Why is Japan trying to rewrite history and create the myth of "Soviet aggression"? At the same time, forgetting about the aggressive policy of the Japanese Empire against Russia and the USSR, in the Far East and in Asia as a whole. The fact is that the Yalta-Potsdam system, created by the West and the USSR, is almost completely destroyed. In the West, after the destruction of the USSR, they began to actively revise the results of the Second World War, first on the pages of newspapers and historical works, then political demands and territorial claims appeared. The USSR is now the "culprit" of the outbreak of World War II, the Russians are "aggressors and occupiers", and not the liberators of Europe. Accordingly, modern Russia must repent, apologize, pay compensation and agree to a border review. In particular, to give Kaliningrad to Germany, Vyborg and Karelia - to Finland, etc.

Japan sees all this perfectly. Tokyo concluded that the time had come to take historical revenge. Moscow must apologize for the “illegal war” and give “northern territories”. Information ground has long been prepared. In Japan, it is believed that the USSR violated the non-aggression pact and launched the war “illegally”. And all the following - including the capture of the Kuril Islands, the capture of Japanese prisoners and their detention, is also illegal. This view is generally accepted in Japan. She regularly rises in the media, is reflected in the system of historical education. Therefore, for most Japanese, Russians are “aggressors,” and Americans are “allies.” As for the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they accelerated the end of the war and avoided new senseless and numerous victims. Americans are also respected as “teachers” who brought Japan peace, democracy, and economic prosperity. Thanks to the United States, Japan has become one of the leading economic and technological powers.

Therefore, the theme of "northern territories" is increasingly being raised by Tokyo. The Japanese elite wants to get their piece of "Russian pie". It is clear that the Japanese will not stop at the Kuril Islands. It is worth noting that the content of the term "northern territories" is interpreted in Japan in different ways. In the "narrow sense" are Kunashir, Iturup, Shikotan and Habomai, in the "wide" are all the Kuril Islands, and South Sakhalin with adjacent islands. And Japanese nationalists consider Northern Sakhalin, Kamchatka, Primorye and Amur to be “their” territories. That is, under favorable conditions, Japan may return to plans for the expansion of the 1918 and 1930-x years, when the Japanese Empire claimed land up to the Urals.

It is worth noting that modern Japan is one of the foremost military powers with a huge military budget. The Japanese elite rejected almost all previous military restrictions. The country has one of the largest military budgets in the world, its armed forces are one of the most powerful and modern on the planet. Japanese Armed Forces regularly receive new guided missile destroyers weapons, helicopter carriers (actually light aircraft carriers), landing ships, attack aircraft and Drones, a modern air defense missile defense system has been created and is constantly being strengthened. The United States is buying E-2D early warning and control aircraft. Plans have been announced for the purchase of vertical takeoff and landing fighters (for "helicopter carriers"). Means of electronic warfare are being developed, a marine corps has been created, equipment for landing operations is being bought, a military space unit is being formed, etc.

Thus, in addition to information processing of the population and diplomatic demarches towards Moscow (when members of the government visit the Kuril Islands or military exercises take place there), the Japanese elite no longer excludes the force scenario of the return of the "northern territories". Japan already has advanced armed forces, a powerful fleet that surpasses our Pacific fleet in conventional armaments (it was hardly updated after the collapse of the USSR), and landing forces to carry out an operation to capture the islands. De facto, if the NATO countries create the infrastructure for intervention in Russia in the western direction, then Japan is preparing for a violent solution to the problem of the "northern territories" in the east. The USSR and Russia are considered as "aggressors" who illegally occupied the "northern territories" of Japan.

What can Moscow answer?


First, stop flirting with Tokyo about the “joint development” of the Kuril Islands and the Far Eastern territories as a whole. Directly declare that there will be no revision of the results of World War II. Let them "go through the forest." There will never be any concessions to territories.

Secondly, a large-scale development program for the Far Eastern territories. And not in the colonial interests of China or Japan, but in the interests of the Russian power and the Russian people. The demographic program (within the framework of the all-Russian) to restore and increase the number of Russian ethnic groups in the Far East.

Thirdly, the restoration of the combat potential of the army, navy and air force in the Far East. The Russian armed forces must repel any attack and punish the aggressor even without the threat of using a nuclear arsenal. Russian military power will bury any aggressive plans. As the ancients said, if you want peace, get ready for war.
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  1. gel
    +11
    18 October 2019 05: 29
    let the Chinese explain to them whether this is a mistake or not, and where they should go with the forest. And even better, let reparations from cunning japs ​​demand the Chinese people for the genocide.
    1. +3
      18 October 2019 05: 44
      SUR is complete! and the Americans are "innocent" in atomic strikes? not ? Kwantungians, they had not to sing along with "adik", but to sit on the priest evenly, and no one would have touched them (although I cannot vouch for the Americans, they just "itched" the USSR with an atomic bomb.) and then there is such a chance after Pearl Harbor ...
    2. +1
      18 October 2019 05: 50
      Quote: gel
      the Chinese will explain

      The Chinese are silent for something about this ... But the last three points in the article are the very thing!
      1. +2
        18 October 2019 09: 54
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: gel
        the Chinese will explain

        The Chinese are silent for something about this ... But the last three points in the article are the very thing!

        The last three points in the article have only one drawback - their impossible to implement under the current government in Russia.
        As for the Soviet-Japanese Pact on NEUTRALITY ... According to him, the USSR undertook to maintain its neutrality with respect to Tokyo in the event of aggression against Japan of a third country. But in the war with the United States, Japan was not a VICTIM of aggression, she herself was an AGGRESSOR! And the USSR, acting under an alliance agreement with the United States and Great Britain, did not violate the neutrality pact with Japan ...
      2. +1
        18 October 2019 20: 14
        [Quote] [/ quote]

        Yes, they are doing everything right (the Chinese). What kind of normal person pays attention to the poor? In the best case, if they get pestered, they will be sent straight to Kotmandu! It is in the Russian Foreign Ministry that tolerants have settled in the shops and can scratch their turnips for a week while they invent a "worthy answer."
    3. +5
      18 October 2019 08: 39
      This is how the respect of other nations fails. Among the pack animals, the hierarchy in the pack is important for survival, which is why they find out relationships so often and ruthlessly. Some peoples continue to live by those Neanderthal laws of survival, perceive upbringing and culture as weakness. They begin to become impudent and sincerely perplexed and offended by getting a rebuff.
      Such behavior is usually for the peoples who lived very recently due to the slave trade and the robbery of anyone who turns up.
      The Japanese Americans bombed and did not count at all for people. Because Americans are understandable to the Japanese, and it seems like OWN. And today, the Japanese for the Americans are somewhere at the level of macaques, although varnished. Moreover, for the Japanese, Americans are creatures of a higher order, that for ordinary Japanese, that for their emperor. Reverence is shown sincerely, even at the household level. Any European who speaks American slang in Japan is surrounded by reverence and servility. I witnessed this.
      1. 0
        18 October 2019 16: 47
        A lot of them fell.
        But still not enough.
        Few of them fell.
        It is necessary more ... (C)
        Stalin’s mistake was that he didn’t raze Japanese cities with land by carpet bombing, trampling Japan into the Stone Age, from which she was taken out by the naughty Saxons in the nineteenth century on the evil of Russia.
        I suggest issuing permits to the Japanese for visiting the Russian Kuril Islands on vacation for the development of the travel industry. If they refuse to take it, turn off the gas, oil, turn it off.
    4. 0
      18 October 2019 14: 07
      USSR military action against the Japanese Empire at the end of World War II was a “mistake”
      It is not strange, but there is something in it, namely, what for did we lay down our soldiers in battles with Japan? Allied commitments? Well, well .. The yapes from the United States would have been battling for another year and a half, but we could have accumulated strength and squeezed out something more substantial than Sakhalin and the Kuriles .. Port Arthur for example .. It’s known to all sane that Japan capitulated precisely after the defeat of the Kwantung group, but not if not from the use of nuclear weapons or bombing of the islands .. You see the blood would be drunk from the United States and would talk more politely with the USSR ..
      1. -1
        18 October 2019 14: 45
        Quote: max702
        All sane people know that Japan capitulated precisely after the defeat of the Kwantung group,

        How to tell you. Japan capitulated to the defeat of the Kwantung group. On August 14th, talking about some kind of rout was, to put it mildly, premature.
        Quote: max702
        having accumulated strength and squeezing out something more substantial than Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands ..

        Meanwhile in the castle at the chef At Nimitz’s headquarters, the idea of ​​landing on the mainland was discussed in order to prevent precisely the development of events that followed in August 45th.
        Quote: max702
        You look at the blood would drink from the United States and even politely talk to the USSR ..

        You see, you would get pro-American China with a big score to the USSR.
        1. +3
          18 October 2019 15: 23
          Quote: tesser
          How to tell you. Japan surrendered before the defeat of the Kwantung group. On August 14th, talking about some kind of rout was, to put it mildly, premature.

          How can you tell the Japanese headquarters that the fools weren’t sitting at all and it was the development of the USSR offensive operation from August 9 that made Japan's defeat inevitable .. By August 14, the Japanese headquarters understood this very well, hopes for long resistance collapsed, the USSR army advanced too quickly despite prepared defense .. And it was the collapse of this hope that made me surrender .. There was nothing to rely on ..
          Landing on the mainland? Well, we know how the US troops took the islands, and this is with the support of naval artillery, we would have had to fight without it, what would have ended this big question, I’m thinking with Korea as a minimum instead of two, and perhaps the USSR would also leave Hokkaido ..
          1. -4
            18 October 2019 15: 39
            Quote: max702
            How can I tell you in the Japanese headquarters are not fools really quite sat

            There are many things to remember about Japanese headquarters. Which headquarters are you talking about?
            Quote: max702
            There was nothing to count on ..

            What does the Kwantung army have to do with Japan? Do your Japanese headquarters know how to fight infantry against the fleet?
            Quote: max702
            how would it all end the big question

            After surrender then? It was about Korea and Port Arthur / Dalniy that were discussed.
            Quote: max702
            and hokkaido

            Lord God, also Hokkaido. They would be interested in at least the Kuril landing operation.
            1. +2
              18 October 2019 18: 02
              After the destruction of the USSR, our bourgeoisie only dream of how to make friends with other capitalist bourgeois, to join their ranks. This licking also led to the fact that soon not only foreign magazines, but also toilet cleaners will be present everywhere.
      2. 0
        18 October 2019 19: 54
        Quote: max702
        to squeeze out something more substantial than Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands .. Port Arthur for example

        I did not pay attention. Depressed, Port Arthur and Dalniy were returned to the Chinese already under Khrushchev-Malenkov. They generally returned a lot of things.
      3. 0
        24 October 2019 21: 03
        For the sake of red China. Communization of China is the greatest success of Russia since the annexation of Siberia.
  2. +16
    18 October 2019 05: 35
    Well, from the point of view of the Japs - the Manchurian operation of the USSR is certainly a mistake. Japas didn’t do any tricks on the USSR during the whole war - so, by little things - provocations at the border, seizure of ships, but this is nonsense. The fact that they were in alliance with Germany and Italy was finally not counted.
    Actually, from the point of view of Hitler, the Soviets were wrong when they started giving nemchury over the wort. But Stalin is a bloody tyrant in general, who brought him, Hitler’s nanny, to suicide. Well, Goebbels to the heap.
    1. +2
      18 October 2019 09: 43
      Quote: Far In
      And Stalin is a bloody tyrant in general

      But with this the current leadership of Russia is completely in agreement!

      In Russia, even de-Stalinization is officially carried out ...
      1. -1
        18 October 2019 11: 24
        The Communists began to de-Stalinize at the 20th Congress of their own party, so no need here.
    2. 0
      18 October 2019 10: 16
      Quote: Dalny V
      Well, from the point of view of the Japs - the Manchurian operation of the USSR is certainly a mistake.

      Here you should correctly understand the situation.

      1. All this venture reminds, of course, how the Polish newspaper The Courier of Poranna, close to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, already demanded the expansion of Poland to the border of 1772. Writing a joint response by the Cossacks to the Sultan on this occasion is somehow ridiculous, but perhaps pleasant.

      2. Japanese, naturally, an ungrateful erysipelas. Soviet power built socialism in China and Korea, neutralizing economically and diplomatically for decades the main rivals of Japan, having long accounts for it during the Great Asian Sphere of Prosperity, and at the same time making Japan the main Asian ally of the United States. And prisoners, what prisoners? Woe to the vanquished. Against the general background of the same co-prosperity, a million people who received 10 years of Soviet camps, and 60 thousand, of whom did not return, are a pure trifle. By the way, 60 thousand is about Nagasaki.

      3. It should again be understood that Japan is not Germany, which still pays and repents. The topic of historical guilt there quickly closed. In Europe, the idea would seem strange that the Great Fuhrer of the German People, following the results of the war, retains his position, but gives up executive powers, and in Japan the issue was resolved precisely in this way. Keitel and Ribbentrop were hanged there, another 5 military men for individual excesses in the field. That's all, the topic is gone. So everyone is more comfortable.

      4. Again, it should be understood that Europe is the Yalta-Potsdam system. Wanting to recall the bloody Stalin, you will have to remember his partners. In the 45th, American soldiers with bayonets drove Poles, Balts, white emigrants, Germans, including civilians, into cars in Siberia under the strict guidance of three American presidents at once - Roosevelt (waved in Yalta), Truman (upheld) and Eisenhower (directly supervised) . Admit their crimes - no, it's not the Germans. To complicate this topic now - who needs it?
      Japan, at the same time, as if separately. By that time, the Allies had already noticeably become friends and the bill could be presented to Russia alone. Why not.

      Again, woe to the vanquished. If the United States lost the XB - it could have been presented to them for Hiroshima. But it turned out like this. True, time is lost.
      1. +2
        18 October 2019 14: 48
        Quote: tesser
        Against the general background of the same co-prosperity, a million people who received 10 years of Soviet camps, and 60 thousand, of whom did not return, are a pure trifle. By the way, 60 thousand is about Nagasaki.

        EMNIP, the Japanese leadership itself was not in a hurry to return the prisoners and repatriated from the USSR. And it can be understood - in post-war Japan, only scumbags from the Kwantung army were not enough. smile
        1. 0
          18 October 2019 15: 16
          Quote: Alexey RA
          EMNIP, the Japanese leadership itself was not in a hurry to return the prisoners and repatriated from the USSR.

          Nice try.

          When, so as not to go far, did Paulus leave? And how far has he traveled?

          Coincidence? I do not think.
    3. +2
      18 October 2019 19: 29
      Quote: Far In
      provocations on the border, ...... this is nonsense

      But what about the intervention of 1918 --- 1922 (Siberian expedition) ??? When the Bolsheviks came to power, a Peace Decree was announced immediately after the October Revolution. And on February 18, 1918, the Supreme Council of the Entente decided to occupy the Harbin, Vladivostok and the CER zones by the Japanese.
      The population refused to obey the dictates of the interventionists ...
      And whatever happened in the occupied lands ... The atrocities of the punishers ...
      1. -3
        18 October 2019 20: 10
        Quote: Reptiloid
        October revolution. And February 18, 1918

        And what does the Bolsheviks have to do with Far Eastern affairs? Soviet power appeared there at the end of the 22nd, if you are not in the know. By that time, the Entente, which you do not like so much, in connection with its own showdowns, had already squeezed Japan with the former. Russian Far East, and returned to the Bolsheviks the territories transferred to Germany in Brest-Litovsk. The republic of workers and peasants is generally important creation of the Treaty of Versailles.
  3. -2
    18 October 2019 05: 55
    Well, recent events say that they want to give two small islands to Yapam, but they want all four, the bourgeoisie want to get some kind of profit, they do not care about the rest.
    1. +1
      18 October 2019 19: 20
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Well, recent events say that they want to give two small islands to Yapam, but they want all four, the bourgeoisie want to get some kind of profit, they do not care about the rest.

      hi
      Not only want, but also intend to close the sky over the Kuril Islands. Appetites grow, because friend Vladimir cannot directly send friend Shinzo to "macaque".
  4. +10
    18 October 2019 05: 56
    Good morning, dear forum users!

    I read the article. The conclusion can be drawn as follows. As long as the current government "flirts" with the Japanese in terms of creating common economic zones, joint development of biological resources and the opening of a visa regime in OUR TERRITORY, the impudence and greed of the Japs will only increase.
    If they said once harshly and intelligibly, now there would be no such questions on the territorial integrity of Russia.
    The author plus and full approval, for the summed up in the form of three points on the specified situation.
    1. +3
      18 October 2019 09: 22
      Pzh
      Quote: Olegater
      The conclusion can be drawn as follows. While the current government will "flirt

      Humpback began to flirt when the Georgians gave the states a 300-mile zone. These continued, giving land and water to China, Azerbaijan, Norway. So the Japanese thought - "why are we worse?"
      1. +1
        18 October 2019 12: 50
        Hunchback began to flirt

        And how did he get to power? For him there was practically ALL POLITBURO of the CPSU !!!
        1. +2
          18 October 2019 13: 44
          Quote: Okolotochny
          For him there was practically ALL POLITBURO of the CPSU !!!

          Undeniably
  5. +22
    18 October 2019 06: 00
    According to the author, the USSR “illegally” started the war against Japan in 1945, so Moscow must apologize. Only after this can fruitful relations between the two powers be built.

    Moscow officially and openly here is a quote from the statement "Denunciation of the Neutrality Pact". Here is a link to this article and to the original source at the end of this article. https://topwar.ru/3504-poslednyaya-stranica-vtoroj-mirovoj-vojny-chast-2.html
    This document is called the Neutrality Pact of April 13 of 1941. Its main part was the second article, which read: “In the event one of the Contracting Parties becomes an object of military actions by one or several third powers, the other Contracting Party will maintain neutrality in the continuation of the entire conflict.” But the war in the Asia-Pacific Theater military action does not fit this wording, since Japan did not act as an object, but as a subject of action, first attacking the US 7 in December 1941 of the year, attacking Pearl Harbor naval base. 8 December, the Japanese blocked the British in Hong Kong, attacked Thailand, which belonged to England Malaya and the Philippines (colony of the United States).
    The contract was valid for 5 years and ended in April 1946, the USSR and Japan could cancel it, notifying the other country for 6 months. 5 April 1945 Moscow sent a note to Tokyo in which it reported on the denunciation of the pact.
    The USSR argued its position:
    - referring to Japan’s violation of the spirit and partly of the letter of the treaty of neutrality (Japan helped Germany, with whom the USSR fought);
    - to change the international circumstances (Japan waged war with the United States and Britain, who became allies of Moscow);
    - pointed to cases of detention and drowning by the Japanese Navy and Air Force of Soviet civilian vessels, incidents at the border. So, for example: in December 1941, Japanese aircraft attacked and sank the tanker "Maikop".
    Thus, we can conclude that the talk of Moscow’s "perfidy" has no basis. The contract was officially terminated, the USSR had complete “free hand”.
    1. +4
      18 October 2019 07: 21
      I wanted to write, but you did it perfectly for me. drinks
    2. -1
      18 October 2019 10: 37
      Quote: Amurets
      On April 5, 1945, Moscow sent a note to Tokyo informing of the denunciation of the pact.
      The USSR argued its position:

      As if all this crocheting had or has any meaning.
      There are three lines of argument.
      The first is about the treacherous attack. In the performance of the Japanese, she looks pretty comical.

      The second - about the fact that prisoners of war, and, for example, the Kuril Islands, appeared after August 14-15, that is, after the surrender of Japan. The Soviet concept that the war continued from August 14 to September 2 is unquestionable. The answer to this, coarsening, is that 70 years have passed, what is taken is holy.

      The third is that the Geneva Convention regulates the procedure for the release of prisoners of war, and in no way implies for them 10 years of camps, as was the case under discussion. The answer to this is a statement of the fact that the USSR was not a party to the Geneva Conventions, both the 29th and the 49th year. When I joined in the 60th, the question was already closed. This is true, but now it is considered somehow impolite to recall this.

      Oh yes.
      The USSR and Japan could cancel its effect by notifying another country in 6 months. April 5, 1945 Moscow sent a note to Tokyo


      So, after all, a treacherous attack.
    3. +1
      18 October 2019 12: 13
      Quote: Amurets
      On April 5, 1945, Moscow sent a note to Tokyo informing of the denunciation of the pact.

      Tokyo did the same as Tokyo’s partners with Moscow did.
      (I remind you that Berlin sent a message about the termination of the pact and the reasons at 3 a.m. on June 22, an hour before the offensive, in Moscow at 4 a.m. the ambassador informed, and officially received it already at 5 a.m. 50 minutes at the request of Molotov)
      That is, everything is officially observed (termination of the declaration of war in advance) but no time is given.
      The USSR, through the ambassador, also handed Japan a notification of the declaration of war - and did it no less "treacherously" than Germany: formally, the Japanese side was notified of the war on August 8, 1945, with a warning that the war would begin tomorrow. But - oh! - by Moscow time. And in the Far East, due to the difference in time zones, this has already arrived tomorrow, and the Red Army attacked the Japanese positions. In fact, the Japanese had a few minutes to convey a message from the Moscow embassy to Tokyo, and from there to the troops on the continent.
      the Japanese after Port Arthur were generally warned ... well already.
    4. +3
      18 October 2019 19: 48
      Good day, dear Nikolai! I want to add that Japanese aircraft in many countries are considered war criminals and many violations of the laws of war are PROVEN. There is even an expression --- Asian Holocaustand japanese military atrocities. Since the 1950s, Japan has apologized to various nations and expressed remorse. However, no matter how much I read, they apologize EXACTLY to the USSR!
      If we recall the intervention of 1918 --- 1922, the Amur villages, including Ivanovka, where people were burned alive, more than 200 people ....
      1. +1
        19 October 2019 01: 43
        Quote: Reptiloid
        If we recall the intervention of 1918 --- 1922, the Amur villages, including Ivanovka, where people were burned alive, more than 200 people ....
        Hello Dima! Not a single Ivanovka was "famous" for the Japanese. It is simply the most famous or mentioned place, and the bloody footprints of the Japanese stretch from Transbaikalia to Kamchatka and Sakhalin. We managed to check in everywhere. ! September 18 on the square im. S. Lazo near the monument to the red partisans gathered a small group of representatives of the Svobodnensky city committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. The reason for the rally was the events of September 1918, when the Japanese invaders entered the city of Svobodny, where at that time there were Soviet institutions evacuated from Chita and Khabarovsk and units of the Red Army retreating from Transbaikalia. ”Article from 2013
        This is not to be confused in the dates.
        https://www.gzt-sv.ru/news/14996-svobodnencam-napomnili-odnom-samyh-zagadochnyh
        1. +1
          19 October 2019 02: 11
          Quote: Amurets
          If we recall the intervention of 1918 --- 1922, the Amur villages, including Ivanovka
          Here's another example from 1918. There was a failure of the Internet, so I give a clarification: Monument to the sailors of the steamer "Sage" photo of the monument before the 2013 flood.
          1. +2
            19 October 2019 05: 34
            Good afternoon, Nikolai. You understand what I read yesterday on this topic ---W
            No matter what they say about W, there are many facts, although liberal ears pop out from time to time even on such topics as
            The Japanese reached Irkutsk
            Japanese participation in Siberian intervention
            Incident in Ivanovka
            Japanese landing in Vladivostok
            List of military apologies published by Japan,
            Japanese prisoners of war in the Soviet Union

            Many settlements are mentioned. And I intend to read more on this topic in the coming days (. (((, I'm on b / l, virus-ss)). You can read a lot on the links. It is interesting that many Japanese apologized at the official level to different countries. But I haven’t seen anything about the USSR yet. True, a representative in Ivanovka apologized when he arrived in this century (or the end of the past). Somehow ........ you can’t even pick up words. If they broke in, they burned people, at home, about which the Japanese described in the letter, and after 80-90 years to apologize. Not everything is clear to me there and still I will look.
            I did not find words about the Japanese regret about not signing the Hague Convention and about their attack against the rules on anyone.
            A little later I will look at your links! Nikolay.
      2. +1
        19 October 2019 17: 10
        Quote: Reptiloid
        I want to add that the Japanese armed forces in many countries are considered war criminals, and many violations of the laws of war are proved.

        Yes, they will never be washed away with a narrow-film in one "detachment 731", not to mention the bombing of Chinese cities with bombs with plague fleas! And how much anthrax and other nasty things have been poured into the Amur to our shores!
        1. -1
          19 October 2019 20: 06
          Quote: Captain45
          .... Yes, they will never wash themselves off with a narrow film in one "detachment 731", let alone ...
          After all, they are also unhappy that not all of their prisoners returned home. As if someone called them here .....
          1. 0
            22 October 2019 18: 21
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Quote: Captain45
            .... Yes, they will never wash themselves off with a narrow film in one "detachment 731", let alone ...
            After all, they are also unhappy that not all of their prisoners returned home. As if someone called them here .....

            They were captured on the territory of the USSR?
  6. +6
    18 October 2019 06: 20
    Firstly, I fully support the author on all three points.
    But the Kremlin hates the Soviet past. And he does not hide from anyone that the whole period was a mistake. Just the Japanese need their piece of repentance. Before the Poles repented. Mannerheim is erected on a pedestal. The Japanese also want to get their share.
    1. 0
      18 October 2019 06: 26
      Good morning dear Gardamir! hi
      Your opinion, what will this situation lead to?
      1. +5
        18 October 2019 06: 45
        Good morning. It would be logical to assume that everything will be like with pension reform. At first this is impossible, and then please treat with understanding, and the Japanese have two islands. But ... only not Bulk and not Grudinin, and not Zyuganov ...
        1. +2
          18 October 2019 06: 57
          As I understand it, "overtone windows"? First, the information provokes resistance, then there is an understatement and failure of the heat in society, then the apathy of the people on this issue, the result is the surrender of the islands. Yes, and this (the actions of the Russian authorities) reminds Naom Chomsky with his 10 steps to manipulate public consciousness, read it, you will not regret it.
          I would like the forum users to read this Chomsky the same. Interesting information there, if you reward the steps taken by the authorities to overwrite their anti-people’s decisions, decrees and decrees.
    2. +4
      18 October 2019 07: 34
      Quote: Gardamir
      The Kremlin hates the Soviet past. And he does not hide from anyone that the whole period was a mistake.

      Khrushchev also hated I.V. Stalin and tried with all his might to throw mud at him. We felt the results of his "efforts" in full. As if the Kremlin did not step on the same rake.
      1. +4
        18 October 2019 09: 25
        Quote: Egoza
        As if the Kremlin had not stepped on the same rake.

        Already headed to the source. Annushka already spilled oil
        1. 0
          18 October 2019 09: 54
          Dear Silvestr Good morning !!!!!! hi
          I always follow your comments. Very interesting and topical. Do not reduce their intensity and veracity. I would like to receive your comment on this situation. With a development forecast and outcome. I am sure that it will be clear and understandable. good
          1. +5
            18 October 2019 10: 11
            Quote: Olegater
            Your comment on this situation.

            Good morning! Thanks for the positive. As regards the issue, I think so, there will be no transfer now.
            Remember the Japanese who screamed about the speedy transfer? I believe that then the issue was basically resolved, all that remained was to wrap the islands in a beautiful wrapper. But, oddly enough, the negative from the pension reform and the falling rating of the authorities and personally the GDP did not allow this to be done. If silently shawali, then the islands would float away. The result would be "Crimea vice versa". The situation inside the country is deteriorating, despite all the ratings and polls of VTsIOM. There will be no GDP on the eve of changes in power, and they should be for objective reasons. And the EU began to hesitate on the issue of sanctions.
            Why the GDP was ready to do this is a separate question. The main thing is to get out of isolation (the "hurray-patriots" will now bite), to achieve investment and weakening / lifting of sanctions. hi
            1. 0
              18 October 2019 10: 14
              Thank you so much!
      2. 0
        18 October 2019 09: 28
        Judging by the memoirs of Khrushchev, he had a contradictory attitude towards Stalin. He notes a lot of positive things with Stalin.
    3. +1
      18 October 2019 10: 30
      And this share should have the size of Siberia and the Far East. Everyone in the Western coalition from Russia needs only one thing: that it does not exist.
    4. +1
      18 October 2019 19: 58
      Quote: Gardamir
      ..... But the Kremlin hates the Soviet past. And he does not hide from anyone that the whole period was a mistake. ......
      Such a lack of logic is always surprising. As if those at the top are all from wealthy noble or bourgeois families. Where would they be if not for the October Revolution. And in general ---- would be, if according to the census of the Republic of Ingushetia in 1898 --- people on average lived up to 30 years
  7. +2
    18 October 2019 06: 29
    Apologies are required from Russia


    Shcha, let's go all together. But the state, as usual, will give us tanks and we will immediately with all our apologies. laughing For the first time ... soldier
    1. -6
      18 October 2019 07: 34
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Shcha, let's go all together ...

      You are "not in the stream" - an article specifically "for ponyt". Look, the "falcons" have already pulled themselves up (see above) laughing

      PS: yes, and below a couple of pieces have already been noted. Onolitegov Yes
  8. +7
    18 October 2019 06: 49
    What can Moscow answer?
    .... A monument in the Far East will be erected to the fallen Japanese soldiers during the Civil War, as fighters with Bolshevism laughing Themselves trampled their past in ha ... eeeee in the mud, and now we are surprised that such claims and demands have disappeared ... It would not hurt the Americans and the British, the French to erect obelisks as if they were innocently murdered, they also guarded their the Germans would not get it, but the bloody Bolsheviks killed the poor watchmen ... laughing Then the West will surely love us and remove the sanctions ... laughing
    1. +4
      18 October 2019 09: 00
      Quote: parusnik
      ..Monument in the Far East will be erected, to the Japanese soldiers who died during the Civil War, like wrestlers with Bolshevism

      Alexei! Everything can be expected from our inadequate power in the Far East, a lot of burial places of Japanese WWII prisoners of war, and the Japanese come to look after the graves and bow to their ancestors. In Vladivostok, there are burials of American Czech and Japanese interventionists.
      These are times of the Civil War.
      1. +2
        18 October 2019 20: 05
        Quote: Amurets
        Quote: parusnik
        ..Monument in the Far East will be erected, to the Japanese soldiers who died during the Civil War, like wrestlers with Bolshevism

        Alexei! Everything can be expected from our inadequate power in the Far East .....

        This inadequacy ---- it is in different directions, unfortunately.
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  10. +4
    18 October 2019 06: 55
    "The defeat of Japan in 1945 is a" mistake "of the USSR. They demand an apology from Russia" for saving the life of the Japanese emperor. It is a mistake that they did not occupy Hokkaido with such an opportunity.
  11. 0
    18 October 2019 07: 03
    Americans are respected as “teachers” who brought Japan peace, democracy, and economic prosperity. Thanks to the USA, Japan has become one of the leading economic and technological powers..

    It is worth noting that modern Japan is one of the foremost military powers with a huge military budget.

    It's hard to deny

    De facto, if the NATO countries create the infrastructure for intervention in Russia in the western direction, then Japan is preparing for a violent solution to the problem of the "northern territories" in the east.

    An interesting conclusion, which, in principle, lies on the surface.
    And which, because of its obviousness, no one notices

    What can Moscow answer?

    Banal conclusions that do not lie in the plane of politics of modern Moscow.
    I do not deny their correctness, but counting on it in the near future is not worth it.

  12. 0
    18 October 2019 07: 14
    And let’s write an article on VO and demand in it to return the gold of Russia with interest.
  13. +3
    18 October 2019 07: 41
    Discussed recently, where else to smear?
    There was an agreement with the allies, executed. Moreover, Japan is never our friend NEVER!
    There WILL BE NO REVISION! They should be on that.
  14. +1
    18 October 2019 07: 56
    But will there be an apology for the 1904 war?
    they generally attacked like gopniks in the gateway
    More than 60 thousand people became victims of Siberian camps.
    let him write about the victims of the "scientific" experiments of Japanese "medical biologists" including over Russian people
  15. +3
    18 October 2019 08: 13
    The defeat of Japan in the 1945 year is a “mistake” of the USSR. Apologies are required from Russia

    Maybe we'd better "get it wrong" again? So, just in case. lol
  16. +1
    18 October 2019 08: 35
    Putin played with the Japanese. Or bargaining.
    By the way, the guarantee of the judo was abandoned before. Absolutely. Then every week I rode on the tatami in a kimono, and now it is more and more often standing on the ice. Sometimes it even seems, is this real Putin?
  17. 0
    18 October 2019 08: 54
    Similarly, you can tell the Japanese the idea of ​​recognizing the atoll of the Meuseus as a mistake and demand an apology from the United States.
  18. +5
    18 October 2019 09: 00
    According to demographics in the Far East: payments for EVERY child born, benefits for mother and child at least 50% of the average salary in the region, housing or a mortgage for inflation (otherwise the Central Bank will strangle itself), a personal doctor. And yes, only RUSSIAN or change the name, patronymic, last name and accept Orthodoxy. For the national screamers - learn to think how Russian, imperial, for the benefit of all RUSSIA and all citizens, and not for their national marshes, welcome to the next level. I myself live in the national republic, where one of the most important conditions for choosing a candidate is knowledge of the national language. The feeling that it will work not with the head, but with the tongue. P.S. The Union also gave a lot of will and good to the nationalities. They sat on their heads, for the Nazis, kindness, like a red rag for a bull - a trigger.
    1. 0
      18 October 2019 09: 31
      And what does Orthodoxy have to do with it? Most Russians are either nominal Orthodox or atheists.
  19. 0
    18 October 2019 09: 28
    Let them ask for a wife, but they will offer Russia ears from a dead donkey, as the GDP said. And if China rolls their demands to them, then these cross-eyed naked will ride around their islands.
  20. BAI
    0
    18 October 2019 09: 47
    The Japanese do not direct their anger at the United States, which, with carpet bombing, burned tens of thousands of peaceful Japanese and delivered two nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki,

    But how can they go against the USA if everything is very clear with Pearl Harbor?
  21. +1
    18 October 2019 10: 01
    And in 1904, Japan attacked Russia without declaring war, which means it was legal ...
    I would have made our "mistake" worse in 1945. Hokkaido is a continuation of the Kuril Islands.
    1. 0
      18 October 2019 12: 20
      Quote: Berkut24
      And in 1904, Japan attacked Russia without declaring war, which means it was legal ...

      in the East (and often in the West) the most favorable situation is considered the moment of attack.
      And all sorts of troubles there with the announcement are all European troubles. The Japanese did not announce before.
      But the severance of diplomatic relations was officially. After the order to attack
      The decision to start a war against Russia was made in Japan at a joint meeting of members of the Privy Council and all ministers on January 22 (February 4), 1904, and on the night of January 23 (February 5), an order was issued to land in Korea and to attack the Russian squadron in Port Arthur. Following this, on January 24 (February 6), 1904, Japan officially announced the severance of diplomatic relations with Russia.
      Japan chose the most advantageous moment for itself with high accuracy: the armored cruisers “Nissin” and “Kasuga” bought by it from Argentina in Italy had just passed Singapore, and nobody could have detained them anywhere on the way to Japan; the last Russian reinforcements (Oslyabya, cruisers and destroyers) were still in the Red Sea.
  22. 0
    18 October 2019 11: 24
    Really, RyoSuke ...
  23. 0
    18 October 2019 11: 25
    Interestingly, the Japanese apologized for the intervention in the Far East in 1918, but for the Halkin goal? And for the Russian-Japanese war of 1904? So, forest gentlemen, forest! hi
    1. -3
      18 October 2019 13: 26
      Quote: fif21
      and the Japanese apologized for the intervention in the Far East in 1918

      Intervention in which country? Raising the theme of the FER for the current Russian Federation is undesirable.
      Quote: fif21
      and for Halkin goal

      Where is it? How did the Chinese government relate to the self-proclaimed Mongolian People's Republic and its relationship with the Red Army?
      Quote: fif21
      And for the Russo-Japanese War of 1904?

      And what's wrong with that? They wanted a small victorious war - they got it.
  24. +4
    18 October 2019 11: 25
    The position of our government is interesting, instead of immediately saying firmly NO! The beginning of a strange policy of flirting with Japan, almost encouraged by its transfer of islands, they say we really need a peace treaty and joint development of all kinds of resources. Are we orphaned and miserable or what?
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  25. +2
    18 October 2019 12: 25
    The Japanese became insolent when they felt the weakness on the part of Russia. And this is not only thoughtless "negotiations" about some transfer of islands at the government level, everything is simple, Khrushchev promised to convey, from Khrushchev or from his family and demand ... Everything is much deeper here. Walk through the streets of our cities, find at least one sign where Sambo wrestling is taught, you will hardly find any karate schools. Karate is a serious fight, it's almost a way of life. And our children absorb this "Japanese" spirit. (It's good that it is weaker than Russian. For now.) And eateries selling dubious "Japanese food" instead of dumplings and pancakes, which can hardly be found today either. The general "hobby" for all sorts of murakavas, okutagawa, etc. literary creations, translated for mass reading into Russian to change the consciousness of people, also do not pass without leaving a trace. I'm already silent about the achievements and products of the Japanese car industry - the dream of every citizen of Russia. In a word, as in that joke: "Why is the breadwinner barefoot?"
    So what can we say that the Japanese are angry and want to get back the Kuril Islands, and then, apparently, Sakhalin and other territories, which, from their point of view, we do not cultivate, ennoble, or develop. After all, they gave us their culture, their struggle, their thoughts and aspirations. In their opinion, there is only one obstacle to the fulfillment of their innermost desires - this is a single person sitting in the Kremlin. Is this how the near future will show? But the situation is aggravated by the fact that blocking Russia's access to the Pacific Ocean is a dream come true not only of the cunning and insidious Japanese, completely insolent from impunity and our good attitude towards them, but also of other peoples "partners".
  26. -1
    18 October 2019 13: 43
    "Interestingly, the Japanese are not directing their anger at the United States ..." - nothing interesting! The United States bombed and then invested in Japan, so it will unquestioningly do what the United States tells Japan to do or declare. And now we are told from the West to repent and now from the East. Well, well, with such a government, I think that I will find these times when we will repent ...
  27. -1
    18 October 2019 19: 05
    In vain, Port Arthur was given to China. This is Stalin’s most important mistake.
    1. 0
      18 October 2019 19: 52
      Quote: panzerfaust
      In vain Port Arthur was given to China

      Port Arturnash until the 54th year. Yes, and here Khrushchev.
  28. 0
    18 October 2019 20: 11
    Narrow-eyed, they understand either power (best of all) or money (they will sell everything, and their ass too) You can’t stand on ceremony with them.
  29. 0
    18 October 2019 21: 43
    And why not just remind the Japanese that the USSR entered the war with Japan as an ally of the United States?
  30. 0
    18 October 2019 22: 34
    Moscow must apologize for the "illegal war"

    The atrocities of Detachment 731 are legal, the mere mention of which leads to a shudder, at least a little familiar with the activities of these savages ?? !!
  31. 0
    19 October 2019 00: 37
    I recall a joke - Germany proposed to review the results of the Second World War. Russia proposed to re-show ...
  32. -1
    19 October 2019 00: 42
    Russia can express regrets for all this ... because it was not the USSR that dropped nuclear bombs on Japan.
  33. -1
    19 October 2019 01: 12
    The topic, as befits the author on this site, is not disclosed.
    But the thing is this. The Japanese are pushing for the fact that the contract was denounced, not canceled. Accordingly, the Soviet side refused to extend it for the next five years, but the agreement itself was valid until April 13, 1946. Then the Soviet side violated it.

    Woe to the vanquished is the only immutable law of international law. Let them say thanks for leaving Hokkaido.
  34. 0
    21 October 2019 09: 54
    Let them "go through the forest." There will never be any concessions to territories ........
  35. 0
    21 October 2019 21: 50
    I came to visit a Japanese woman.
    Stan wanted to hug me thin.
    And she shouts: - "First - give the islands!"
  36. 0
    23 October 2019 18: 46
    But what is the statement that the Wehrmacht served 150000 Jews, which often sounds here on the site, differs from the statement that the USSR is responsible for unleashing the WWII. Nothing. The same rewriting of history that is now taking place in Western countries.
    https://topwar.ru/2922-evrejskie-soldaty-gitlera.html
  37. 0
    23 October 2019 18: 56
    The Russian power is understandable, but what does the Russian people have to do with, whom the Russian power has stripped naked?
  38. 0
    24 October 2019 11: 16
    The past cannot be returned, but for the future, if they still arise, pick up Hokkaido. IMHO
  39. 0
    24 October 2019 23: 56
    And the state of Manjou-Guo restore. Urgently!