"Drunk Boy 2.0"? In search of justice

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Internet forensics require mass executions


The case of the “drunken boy” is again widely discussed in Russia. But with one amendment: this is the second time in recent years. Differences from the first case, which took place in the city of Zheleznodorozhny, near Moscow, are very significant. But there are common features that make us instantly draw parallels and make some generalizations.





But let's take it in order. 13 July 2019 years in the Kirov region, with. Buyskoye, the operational duty officer of one of the local police departments, Major Sergey Melnikov, in his Nissan Qashqai car, ran into a six-year-old boy who rode his bicycle from a secondary road to the main one. As a result of the accident, the boy was thrown back at 20 meters (eyewitness accounts), he received multiple severe injuries, including head wounds, chest injuries, liver rupture, etc. The child died from the injuries on the spot.

Sergey Melnikov immediately called the police and an ambulance, and also offered his help to the boy’s parents in organizing the funeral (full payment). He was also examined for the presence of alcohol in his blood. The result of the survey is negative - the driver of the car at the time of the accident was sober.

After the accident, a police officer underwent a medical examination, no alcohol was found in his body. According to preliminary data, he did not have a real opportunity to prevent a collision. He is not suspended from the performance of official duties, continues to fulfill the duties of the operational duty station of the police. If he is found guilty of an accident and convicted, he will be dismissed from law enforcement.

(Press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the Kirov region.)

In general, the picture of an accident involving a child is pretty typical: a small bicycle driver jumped literally under the wheels of a car whose driver did not have time to react and hit. And this story It would hardly have received wide publicity if the social networks had not begun to disseminate the results of the examination, according to which the deceased boy was drunk.

After the above-mentioned incident in Zheleznodorozhny, such expert conclusions became for the public a bit of a red rag for the bull: immediately there appeared those who drew a parallel with that egregious case and concluded that the driver was guilty. This guilt was aggravated by the fact that he was a police officer, and therefore could use his official position to falsify the results of the investigation. From here it’s not far from the conclusions of universal corruption, the “bloody regime” and other horrors of the struggle for all the good against all the bad.

Do not remotely understand ...


However, there are some points in the case that require very careful consideration. And in general, with an unbiased approach, you understand that this is a complicated matter, and finding out something remotely from hundreds or thousands of kilometers is very problematic. Therefore, we will leave the sentences in absentia to the Kirov major on the conscience of those who understand everything in advance. And we’ll try to carefully and correctly figure out at least what is more or less known from open sources.

First of all, we note that the alcohol content in the boy’s blood was not very large, 0,51 ppm. For comparison: the blood content of the victims of the tragedy in Zheleznodorozhny discovered the alcohol content in 2,7 ppm - that is, more than five times more. In this case, the dose exceeds the maximum permissible 0,35 ppm for adult drivers, but not so much as to indicate some serious intoxication. Given the small body weight of the child, a drunk mug of kvass, kefir, and standing fruit juice could give a temporary jump in the ethanol content in the blood. And to say unequivocally that in a child’s blood such an alcohol content is in principle impossible, probably impossible.

Probably, one should also bear in mind that after the case mentioned above, a forensic expert would hardly have been found who agreed to a direct forgery of the results of the examination. Let me remind you that the Moscow Region case ended with three years in a penal colony for the culprit of the accident and ten months of correctional work for an expert accused of negligence (it was impossible to prove collusion and intentional damage to the samples).

No, we cannot completely exclude this - friendships, for example, or some other personal interest. But here it must be borne in mind that Sergei Melnikov was on vacation, passing through the village of Buyskoye in transit, it was, as they say, “not his area”. It is unlikely that local police officers would just commit an official crime out of a sense of solidarity (and in a certain scenario, it could well qualify as a criminal offense) to shield a colleague. Here, as they say, your shirt is closer to the body.

We also note that only after the tragedy, the local authorities put things in order on the road - removed weeds along the curbs, made markings and even marked a pedestrian crossing in this place. Again, we know this from the words of eyewitnesses, local residents, and we cannot fully guarantee the accuracy of this information. However, taking into account our realities, it is quite easy to believe in this: we decided to play it safe, put everything in order, and now the high authorities from the region have nothing to complain about. At the same time, there is no need to explain how the weeds can be wiped out by mid-July and how they can hide the visibility of a six-year-old baby on a small bicycle.

If guilty, let him sit down. But is it to blame?


I do not set myself the goal of absolutely justifying Sergei Melnikov - if he is to blame, let him sit. But at the same time, it is obvious that the situation in which he finds himself can happen at any moment to most of us: alas, it is a small child on a bicycle that is one of the greatest nightmares of a motorist.

I do not believe that children necessarily follow the rules of the road. I don’t believe it simply because I remember ourselves and the way we jumped on a sled to the roadway almost under the wheels of a passing vehicle. We were asked not to do this, and of course we promised. We were scolded and of course we cried and promised again. They promised to register us in the children's room of the police, and again we promised to behave well ...

And then, after a few days or weeks, a fresh snow fell, we took sledges and ...

The behavior of a major who finds himself in such a terrible situation bribes me. He didn’t leave, tried to help, offered help to his parents. Somehow this does not look like the behavior of a typical bastard, as they sometimes try to set him up.

The Investigative Committee of Russia took control of the investigation into this matter. Alas, it is already impossible to make some examinations, and even more so it is impossible to return the life of a child who has fallen under the wheels. Therefore, the only thing that remains in this case to hope for is the triumph of justice. And what it will be like, now it’s impossible to say. But it is safe to say that the thirst for blood often runs counter to the achievement of justice ...

In this case, I prefer to wait for the findings of the IC and the court decision and only then make any final conclusions. Otherwise, it is too easy to become like a mass of advocates of "justice" in quotation marks, shouting frantically "crucify him!" and thinking of anything but true justice.
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  1. +39
    18 October 2019 05: 39
    There are a lot of such situations on the roads, and I had to "get up with a stake" because of the kids on the bikes, and just running out of "nowhere". the fateful coincidence of circumstances has not been canceled. I hope justice will prevail. sorry for the baby, and condolences to the parents, but in the place of the major, God forbid, be. he will continue to live with it.
    1. +23
      18 October 2019 06: 50
      Yesterday the same thing. In the morning I’m going home from work .. Cyclists we have all year round, the weather is good. Grandmother leaves the adjoining area for the main house, she didn’t even look back .. It’s good that the car is in order, the brakes and the grandmother only nodded her head, apologizing .. ..And people followed me, I could have gathered in a heap .. There are no ideas about traffic rules for bicycles ..
      1. +22
        18 October 2019 07: 59
        In general, a strange situation with traffic rules, only drivers are obliged to know and comply, since you see a car - a means of increased danger. And pedestrians, cyclists, scooters and other scooters, it seems, should not know anything, since by law the driver is protected and the driver is always guilty of the "increased danger", did not take into account their "recklessness" and indifference.
        So for traffic rules:
        “Traffic participant” - a person who is directly involved in the process of movement as a driver, pedestrian, passenger of a vehicle.
        He immediately began to teach his son to drive and the rules in full, and not just "go green."
        1. +13
          18 October 2019 11: 21
          A balanced, well-grounded article! The analysis is given without emotions and "personal experience". Thanks.
        2. +12
          18 October 2019 11: 50
          pedestrians, cyclists, scooters and other scooters, it’s like they don’t have to know anything,

          About 30 years ago, a cyclist knocked down my pregnant wife on a zebra.
          Of course, I broke his bike and cleaned his turnip and he didn’t even resist much - he was scared. It’s me that a bicycle is also a very dangerous means, only cyclists don’t realize it.
      2. +22
        18 October 2019 08: 04
        What is the difference between a child sober or drunk ... you can’t bring anyone down. I do not believe in drunk children (not to be confused with teenagers). And this should not be any mitigating circumstance. And there should be a special responsibility for representatives of bodies.

        I myself have been driving all my life and in what unpleasant situations I have not been and what I just have not seen. And I know for sure that the cause of the overwhelming number of accidents is speed. High speed - riding without the right to make a mistake. No time for reaction. Well, if weeds grow close to the road and it is impossible to predict the situation, then slow down (if not in the stream).
        1. +3
          18 October 2019 09: 25
          The vast number ... How much? percent 90%?
          And suddenly you get into the remaining 10?
          Then you probably won’t have to cheek about categoricality.
          Such categorical ones usually remain them until the moment when fate themselves seizes their ass.
          For example, furious dog lovers. Or bicycles.
          1. +11
            18 October 2019 09: 37
            Quote: Mestny
            Then probably I won’t have to cheeks inflate about categorical. Such categorical ones usually remain them until the moment they themselves behind the ass fate will not seize.

            I did not understand what my categoricality is and where I am wrong. The expression "overwhelming number" pissed you off? So this is a harsh statistic. You somehow react very aggressively to a comment that does not apply to you personally.
            Quote: Mestny
            And in the remaining 10 suddenly you get?

            Does this somehow change the attitude towards speed?
    2. +23
      18 October 2019 08: 04
      There are a lot of such situations on the roads, and I had to "get up with a stake" because of the kids on the bikes, and just running out of "nowhere". the fateful coincidence of circumstances has not been canceled.

      It is clear that no one has canceled. But...
      Major Sergei Melnikov in his Nissan Qashqai car collided with a six-year-old boy who rode his bicycle from a secondary road to the main one. As a result of the accident, the boy was thrown back 20 meters (eyewitness accounts)

      The boy was thrown back by 20 meters from a car impact. What is this talking about?
      And it says that the major flew on a Nissan. Not just exceeded the speed, namely flew.
      I would drive 50 km / h, there would be no such consequences.
      When I studied law, the instructor gave me 2 very practical advice:
      1. Never drive faster than 50 km / h in the city. Because if something happens, you won’t have time to do anything.
      2. Always keep your distance.
      At a speed of 60 km / h, the car drives 16,6 meters per second, that is, it just dropped its eyes on the speedometer for a second and 16,6 meters already passed.
      I still remember these 2 "rules" and try to follow them. Although this is not a panacea, anything can happen on the road ...
      1. +8
        18 October 2019 08: 39
        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        I still remember these 2 "rules" and try to follow them.

        I always liked to sink (where possible), but I also try to follow these 2 rules. Slow down if not sure. And I keep the distance as far as possible (because of this, all the time someone wedges between me and the front car).
        1. +4
          18 October 2019 08: 50
          It also wedges into me. But these are costs, so to speak ...
          I also like to sink, but only outside the city and if you travel far (more than 80-100 km)
        2. +1
          18 October 2019 14: 39
          The instructor always taught: if the leg is not on gas - it is on the brake.
      2. +6
        18 October 2019 08: 39
        One of my friends, when we were 13-14 years old, just jumped under a car that rode 40 kilometers per hour no more, flew 10 meters away with the bike, got off with a broken leg. So, given that the 6-year-old boy is not very heavy, the bike is tough, and it’s not necessary to fly all 20 meters, some of it is possible to drive along the asphalt at the end, it is also believed in the range of 40-60 km / h ...
        1. +1
          18 October 2019 08: 43
          Quote: oleg123219307
          One of my friends, when we were 13-14 years old, just jumped under the car that was driving 40 kilometers per hour no more, flew away with the bike for 10 meters, got off with a broken leg.

          If the speed was under a hundred, I would end up like a "drunken boy". And I wouldn't get off with a broken leg. I would fly off to the same 20 meters.
          1. +3
            18 October 2019 12: 29
            Under a hundred, I would fly away by 50 meters and pieces and in different directions ...
            1. -2
              18 October 2019 17: 05
              Quote: oleg123219307
              Under a hundred, I would fly away by 50 meters and pieces and in different directions ...
              He wouldn’t fly away anywhere - in the engine compartment he was stuck in pieces with his bicycle in pieces.
        2. +4
          18 October 2019 14: 46
          Now machines have begun to be made "humane". Look where the crossover's hood is located - it flies to an adult just under the gut. And the child in the chest and head.
          And Qashqai is just one of those. Even at low speed, a person of any age gets not weak.
      3. +4
        18 October 2019 09: 50
        I would drive 50 km / h, there would be no such consequences.

        Would. Side impact on a pedestrian at 50 km / h heavy bodily guaranteed. A brake in this situation could not be.
        Never drive faster than 50 km / h in the city. Because if something happens, you won’t have time to do anything.
        2. Always keep your distance.

        Looks like you studied in the last century. How are you going to follow these rules in Moscow?
        1. +6
          18 October 2019 12: 41
          How are you going to follow these rules in Moscow?

          Well, Moscow probably has its own "Moscow traffic rules", right? The rest are not concerned.
          1. -1
            18 October 2019 13: 13
            Well, Moscow probably has its own "Moscow traffic rules", right?

            Are you a Muscovite?
            1. +2
              18 October 2019 13: 23
              No. Not a Muscovite.
              1. +3
                18 October 2019 15: 46
                No. Not a Muscovite.

                I understand that you observe traffic rules and there is a driving experience.
                Do you want to bet?
                You come to Moscow and, according to the route I set, roll 100 hours trying to comply with traffic rules ..
                I argue:
                1. You break the rules ($ 500).
                2. You will create an emergency situation ($ 100)
                3. Make an accident ($ 50)

                This is Moscow, my friend, there is such traffic here so traffic is organized and signs and markings so stand that REGULARLY GETS THE CHOICE TO VIOLATE traffic rules or BE AT RISK OF ACCIDENT
              2. 0
                18 October 2019 17: 12
                Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
                No. Not a Muscovite.
                You probably didn't ride in big cities. I ran a little.
                I love, you know, on vacation to drive cars. Not often, but in different cities ride.
                Judging by your statements, you live in a small town and do not often leave it.
                In big cities, especially some rich ones, it is impossible to travel as in small ones - you will be cut off, you will irritate the natives. "Onюread the psycho "- pass for your own.
        2. +2
          18 October 2019 17: 06
          Quote: bk316
          Side impact on a pedestrian at 50 km / h heavy bodily guaranteed.
          It's minimum. Most likely lethal.
          1. +3
            18 October 2019 18: 14
            It's minimum. Most likely lethal.

            If on a bicycle and even a child is almost certain.
            In general, all impacts except tangents at speeds of more than 20 km are fraught. My relatives and acquaintances got to me fortunately everyone is alive but grave at everyone. Personally, I feel lucky, I say so. And by the way, everything is on a zebra or nearby.
      4. +8
        18 October 2019 10: 04
        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        When I studied law, the instructor gave me 2 very practical advice:
        1. Never drive faster than 50 km / h in the city. Because if something happens, you won’t have time to do anything.

        And they told me in a driving school that the safest mode. - ride at a flow rate. If you go no more than 50 - they will regularly overtake you - you will regularly create an emergency
        1. -2
          18 October 2019 11: 37
          And they told me in a driving school that the safest mode. - ride at a flow rate. If you will ride no more than 50

          Oh really? Well, what is the allowed speed in the city?
          You want to say that the speed of 50 km / h in the city is a traffic violation? So there is no such item there.
          you will be regularly overtaken

          They want to overtake - let them overtake.
          you will regularly create an emergency

          You must observe the distance and do not drive in the city, and especially in residential areas. Signs and cameras were not just invented.
          And most importantly, you yourself need not to violate and comply with traffic rules.
          1. +5
            18 October 2019 11: 58
            You must observe the distance and do not drive in the city, and especially in residential areas.

            Look at the picture. Which city are which sleeping areas?
            And most importantly, you yourself need not to violate and comply with traffic rules.

            It would seem correct to write, but in reality garbage. I have a bunch of acquaintances to whom they did not violate 20 traffic accidents for 10 years and NEVER times - they simply created emergency situations. And I have 20 years of experience and for half a mile km of run of 2 accidents, (also not my fault), and one by inexperience and the second by fatigue. This is because compliance with traffic rules is not important. The main thing is to adequately apply the rules of safe driving and not all of them in traffic rules and sometimes they contradict them.
            1. +5
              18 October 2019 12: 16
              SDA - basic safety rules, their strict observance ALL MOVEMENT PARTICIPANTS their duty! In some cases, on the contrary, in order to avoid an accident, it is necessary to violate them, but these are special cases. And yes (I knocked three times on the forehead) my 3 years on different AM classes and routes - 17 accidents. Which I wish to everyone.
              1. 0
                18 October 2019 12: 39
                In some cases, on the contrary, in order to avoid an accident, it is necessary to violate them, but these are special cases.

                Of course you have to. Because first they buy a license, and then they drive without knowing the traffic rules. So you have to break because of these "woodpeckers". But this is a necessary measure. And I have such situations. But there are people who do not care about the rules if there is no "traffic cop" nearby.
                My friend lives in the Emirates. So there is a transfer to the right every 2, or 4 years.
                And no bribes. Only with your mind. Not passed - goodbye. Go pay the tuition again. Plus the fines are crazy. Cheaper not to break.
            2. 0
              18 October 2019 12: 49
              Look at the picture. Which city are which sleeping areas?

              I looked.
              Now explain to me, what was the need to "fly" along this road? Where was the major in a hurry? To the other world? So they accept it around the clock.
              And the major, most likely, didn’t give a damn about traffic rules, because all of their work in the traffic police. And probably this is not the first time he drove there. It's just that before everything went without consequences.
              1. 0
                18 October 2019 13: 15
                Now explain to me, what was the need to "fly" along this road?

                First tell me what it is to fly?
                The impact corresponds to 60-70 km / h without braking.
                1. 0
                  18 October 2019 13: 22
                  The impact corresponds to 60-70 km / h without braking.

                  I think a lot more. At this speed, they do not fly away at 20 meters. Anyway.
                  You think that the speed of 60-70km / h on this country road, where limited visibility is normal. Did I understand you correctly?
                  1. +3
                    18 October 2019 15: 50
                    Did I understand you correctly?

                    According to the rules for which you are so advocating there is no limited visibility. So the answer is yes, if not distracted and in good shape. I would drive somewhere 65. If I get tired, everywhere I reduce the speed somewhere around 10-15 km / h.
                    Moreover, I am ABSOLUTELY confident that 80% of drivers will continue to drive and 10% are faster than 80.
                  2. +2
                    18 October 2019 17: 16
                    Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
                    At this speed, they do not fly away at 20 meters.
                    You will be surprised - at 20 meters at a speed of 40-60 km / h fly away. If more - all the chances of getting stuck in the radiator.
      5. -1
        18 October 2019 11: 25
        The major is certainly to blame .. At least he behaved rightly and did not evade. However, these unfortunate parents are also to blame .. You must follow the child ..
  2. +11
    18 October 2019 05: 41
    Despite this incident, most people know that there is no justice in Russia and there will not be many decades, the bourgeoisie interprets the law in their favor.
    1. -8
      18 October 2019 09: 27
      Yeah, they know. As well as the fact that this driver is clearly to blame - he is also a representative of the authorities.
      1. +5
        18 October 2019 09: 51
        Quote: Mestny
        driver uniquely to blame - he is a representative of power

        More often it happens that it is definitely not to blame, unfortunately. And it is because of this that such crazy stories about "drunk boys" emerge.
        You always react very nervously when someone criticizes the authorities. However, keep in mind that those who are higher, those and responsibility for everything should be higher. And now - on the contrary.
      2. 0
        18 October 2019 11: 27
        It’s not that he is a representative of the authorities. At the wheel, he is JUST A DRIVER.
        1. +4
          19 October 2019 14: 25
          I made fun, the cop behind the wheel is not a cop, but just a driver. Cop - he is in the bath and on the beach cop. Try to fight with him, nothing good will come of it for you.
  3. +7
    18 October 2019 05: 48
    For all my extremely difficult attitude towards the police in the era of capitalism, the major is not guilty.

    He himself once witnessed (almost became a participant) how a fifty-year-old motorcyclist in the Urals with a sidecar literally rammed an Ikarus passenger bus in his forehead. What was it, i.e. what made the motorcyclist make a deep dent in his head on a non-thin iron above the left headlight of the bus - no one found out. After a month and a half, when I was giving testimony, I found out that the driver had been in a coma until then with poor chances of at least staying a vegetable, no blood alcohol was found in any of the accident participants.
  4. +4
    18 October 2019 05: 56
    March 1976, ice, a man ran out from behind a standing bus to the carriageway, ran onto a Gaz-30 passing (51 km \ hour), hit his side with a temple on a protruding body bolt, died two days later. The driver was fully acquitted, the young completely, in the spring to go to the Army.
  5. +6
    18 October 2019 06: 04
    No one is accused, only questions. During the examination, alcohol is "found out" by an automatic machine or is it a separate analysis? If it is separate, then you need to think of taking an alcohol test from the child.
    On another occasion. What is a colony settlement in present-day Russia? And why was it so easy about it?
    1. -3
      18 October 2019 06: 43
      It is believed that it is more "honorable" than if they hit with a club or a knife ... Almost a reward.
    2. +9
      18 October 2019 07: 19
      Analysis for alcohol in any accident automatically.
    3. +1
      18 October 2019 07: 35
      With all due respect...
      During the examination, alcohol is "found out" by an automatic machine or is it a separate analysis? If it is separate, then you need to think of taking an alcohol test from the child.

      Are you a traveler from outside the past who accidentally stopped in Russia during a troubled time on its endless path from a bright past to an equally radiant future? I would have done a drug test with such an adult boy. In general, these tests are mandatory for all in cases of accident.
      1. 0
        18 October 2019 11: 10
        Quote: Alex2048
        I would have done a drug test with such an adult boy. In general, these tests are mandatory for all in cases of accident.

        6 years old - adult ??? belay
        1. 0
          19 October 2019 02: 04
          this summer - a group of children taken to the hospital in a state of drug intoxication. older 10, younger 4 with a little. total of 8 people. all from one yard. and from this yard there is an exit to R-255.
  6. +3
    18 October 2019 06: 04
    he behaved manly of course, but his career ended in any case. big uncles will not particularly delve into. Zamo normal it is stuffed him away somewhere. yeah ... I'm afraid of this all the time. the older one will not run right on the road, but the younger one with a propeller in one place at least fasten it to yourself.
    1. +5
      18 October 2019 06: 17
      Quote: carstorm 11
      he behaved manly of course, but his career ended in any case. big uncles will not particularly delve into. Zamo normal it is stuffed him away somewhere.

      if not guilty, then why "career end"? and a small "career" in the "hole" ... where is it deeper?
      1. +3
        18 October 2019 06: 26
        Well, this is a hole for you, but for him a native home, for example. This is already a private matter, and rotation now can bring it anywhere. and as regards guilt, the point is different. to the authorities, whether you are right or wrong. If the media do not stop rinsing, then they will regularly fly by the cap. why do they need it? you can’t clean out a personal matter and few people will contact you. all over the world like that. and in his place I would not have stayed there. even if it’s not my fault his parents look hard in the eye.
        1. +5
          18 October 2019 06: 28
          Quote: carstorm 11
          Well, this is a hole for you, but for him, a native home, for example. This is a private matter

          yeah ... and I live in the neighborhood, and my home is in a "hole", and he has it too .... because it's far beyond the Moscow Ring Road, and Sobyanin does not add pensions, and does not build roads. ZAMKADYE - Homeland.
          1. +2
            18 October 2019 06: 41
            what does it have to do with it? I already said you can relate as you like to the place where you live. I know a bunch of people who from the words Moscow already distorted I am one of them. I can be made to live back there only by force. for a couple of weeks the beast. don’t stay there, my daughter and work because of which I need to be there regularly if only they would see me there. and here is another. I served in open holes and in the capital. they can send them to increase to Nizhny and then somewhere to Ufa. in the Crimea met cops from different cities and regions. translate and provide rotation.
            1. +2
              18 October 2019 06: 54
              Quote: carstorm 11
              in the Crimea met cops from different cities and regions. translate and provide rotation.

              I have never heard of "rotation of traffic cops" - what's this? wassat
              1. -2
                18 October 2019 07: 52
                Quote: carstorm 11
                in the Crimea met cops from different cities and regions. translate and provide rotation.

                "Never Stirlitz, was not so close to failure" "carstorm" Where are you broadcasting your unripe thoughts from? tribaltica? poland? or are you from the "ancient"? wassat
              2. +1
                18 October 2019 08: 03
                usually. so that connections are not overgrown. the old topic is amazing that they did not hear. there mainland traffic cops as soon as not persuaded. even a bunch of videos were different on the subject. I personally spoke with the guys from Kursk and Stavropol I remember exactly. with fepsami the same way.


                In the Republic of Crimea and the city of federal significance Sevastopol, officers of the Russian traffic police began to serve! According to the agency, the combined traffic crews of the State traffic inspectorate began to work on the roads and streets of the peninsula, which include both local traffic police officers and seconded traffic police from a number of regions of mainland Russia
        2. 0
          18 October 2019 17: 22
          Quote: carstorm 11
          If the media do not stop rinsing, then they will regularly fly by the cap. why do they need it?
          Law on liability for lies passed? Is there protection of honor and dignity?
          Here are two laws that will squeeze out these media so that it is not disastrous.
  7. +6
    18 October 2019 06: 05
    Good morning, dear forum users!

    Regarding accidents with children, a thorough check should be carried out, in each case. If the information in the article is reliable, then we are talking about an accident. This is my subjective opinion. And so it is necessary to study the case materials. The fact that information agencies are spreading is not suitable for a real assessment of the situation.
    1. +8
      18 October 2019 06: 21
      Quote: Olegater
      Good morning, dear forum users!

      Regarding accidents with children, a thorough check should be carried out, in each case. If the information in the article is reliable, then we are talking about an accident. This is my subjective opinion. And so it is necessary to study the case materials. The fact that information agencies are spreading is not suitable for a real assessment of the situation.

      unfortunately, in the media, at first, "sensations" are given about a "drunken child," and not everyone reads refutations ... "and like flies here and there, rumors go home, and toothless old women carry them through the minds ..." (c) V.S. Vysotsky.
    2. -1
      18 October 2019 07: 35
      Quote: Olegater
      If the information in the article is reliable, then we are talking about an accident.

      I would disagree. Rather, I do not deny the wording "accident". But here are 3 more points that for some reason no one takes into account:
      1. Absolute parental responsibility for raising a child.
      2. Possible criminal negligence by the authorities.
      3. Low social activity "local" who could kick this elective government for the sake of restoring order for the safety of adults and children.

      note that only after the tragedy, the local authorities put things in order on the road - removed weeds along the curbs, made markings and even marked a pedestrian crossing in this place.
      1. -3
        18 October 2019 09: 33
        For people like you, the main points are 2 and 3. The rest does not matter. Whatever happens - immediately seek the opportunity to blame the authorities.
        1. -2
          18 October 2019 09: 49
          Quote: Mestny
          Whatever happens - immediately seek the opportunity to blame the authorities.

          But is the prevention of accidents on federal and regional roads - this is not one of the goals of the authorities? Providing road marking with restrictive signs? Although, apparently, the government does not owe you anything. Or are you the very power that owes nothing to anyone?

          Quote: Mestny
          For people like you, the main points are 2 and 3. Nothing else matters.

          Yes, and paragraph 3 speaks about the low social responsibility of citizens themselves

          If an 6-year-old child drowned, then this is a question for parents about what the child did on the river alone. And if he drowned on a public beach, then this is already a question for rescuers on duty on this beach, i.e. to power.

          So, to put it mildly, your comment is inadequate.
      2. +3
        18 October 2019 17: 29
        Quote: MainBeam
        2. Possible criminal negligence by the authorities.
        Regarding lighting transitions ...
        In some regions, even in the middle of the highway, the crossing is just a pleasure to drive through: markings, zebra crossing, lighting ...
        ... but in most cases it’s just tin: even in a village it’s difficult to distinguish between the transition zone, there is no lighting, the markings disappear.
        Pedestrians do not wear anything retroreflective.
        1. 0
          21 October 2019 13: 25
          Quote: Simargl
          Pedestrians do not wear anything retroreflective.

          And what - are required? For example, I love dark tones (preferably black and close). But that’s why I
          in the dark I develop an owl in myself - I twist my head around, especially when I cross the road.
          1. 0
            21 October 2019 17: 49
            Quote: CT-55_11-9009
            And what - are required?
            In Russia, not required.
            I have all the Auto Jackets - they are dark, but with retroreflectors.

            Quote: CT-55_11-9009
            in the dark I develop an owl in myself - I twist my head around, especially when I cross the road.
            And this is true regardless of the presence of retroreflectors and the time of day. Want to live - think about HIS security.
    3. +1
      18 October 2019 11: 10
      Totally agree with you ! And the fact that the press and the Internet serves us is not very true sometimes. I live in Ukraine and over the past six months we have had three such accidents with the deaths of children - cyclists. The culprit does not leave the scene of an accident, the camera in the car most often does not work, at first silence, and after a week or two unexpected information: the child was drunk and in his blood a horse dose of alcohol, such that an adult man wouldn’t be able to drink so much .. Then delays in the courts and the case are released on the brakes. Therefore, it is necessary to carefully study the case materials, but the fact that the culprit has not left the scene of an accident cannot yet speak about the event.
  8. +1
    18 October 2019 06: 29
    Question: Is it right to determine a child for alcohol? By and large, it doesn’t matter to parents why they lost a child. Are we too light on the price of human life?
    1. -1
      18 October 2019 06: 42
      the child is certainly yes. but not to the major.
      1. +2
        18 October 2019 17: 32
        Quote: carstorm 11
        the child is certainly yes. but not to the major.
        Despite this, the major was also analyzed.
        ... But we "know" that ...
    2. +5
      18 October 2019 09: 56
      Quote: nikvic46
      Question: Is it right to determine a child for alcohol?

      All accidents with fatal blood to alcohol are automatic. Age is not a hindrance
      1. -4
        18 October 2019 16: 47
        Sylvester. In order to take a blood test for alcohol, you need a reason. Don't you think that something is wrong with us in the box.
        1. +7
          18 October 2019 18: 21
          Quote: nikvic46
          In order to take a blood test for alcohol, you need a reason. Do not you think that something is wrong with us in the box.


          Code of Criminal Procedure Article 196. Mandatory appointment of a forensic examination

          The appointment and production of a forensic examination is necessary if it is necessary to establish:
          1) causes of death;
          2) the nature and extent of the harm to health;
          The forensic examination (study) of a corpse includes an external study, an internal study, and, if necessary, also laboratory tests.
          In the process of examining a corpse, an expert takes samples of organs, tissues and secretions for conducting research in the departments of the forensic laboratory: forensic biological, forensic chemical, forensic, forensic histological, etc.
          Order of the Ministry of Health and Social Development of the Russian Federation
          dated May 12, 2010 N 346н
          "On approval of the Procedure for the organization and production of forensic medical examinations in state forensic institutions of the Russian Federation"
          49. For carrying out laboratory and (or) instrumental expert studies, any of its parts, internal organs and tissues, blood, urine, and other biological objects may be taken from a corpse:
          -blood and urine to determine the presence and quantity of ethanol - in all cases of violent death
          1. -1
            19 October 2019 06: 26
            Sylvester. But I did not know that we lived to see this.
            1. +1
              20 October 2019 11: 23
              Quote: nikvic46
              Sylvester. But I did not know that we lived to see this.

              But is it so scary if they take blood for alcohol? As far as I remember, when I was working as an opera, I started even under the Soviet regime, always with a violent death in the direction of a corpse investigation the question was raised about the presence of alcohol and drugs in the blood. The truth was not written to 6-year-old children, but then the children of 6 weren’t consumed, and a teenager 14-15 years old who died in an accident or under other circumstances (fight, suicide) the question of the presence of alcohol, drugs has always been raised.
              1. -1
                21 October 2019 05: 44
                Yuri. Then let's conduct a survey among children. Do they drink vodka? It will be insanity. And what has changed the new time? Only relevant to children.
                1. +1
                  21 October 2019 13: 28
                  Quote: nikvic46
                  Then let's conduct a survey among children. Do they drink vodka? It will be insanity

                  Nikolay. Maybe there isn’t vodka, but some people start to indulge in beer (and then stop it) in 12-13, it is.
    3. +1
      18 October 2019 17: 31
      Quote: nikvic46
      Is it right to determine a child for alcohol?
      Yes.
      Counter-question: is it legitimate to distort (pervert) examination data?
  9. +6
    18 October 2019 07: 16
    It is unfortunate that this happened. Young life ended. But I absolutely agree and completely share the author’s position on this issue. But the major is to blame or not, let the court decide. I was greatly strained by the distance that the boy’s body overcame (maybe at that time he was still alive) and it is possible that the major was traveling in excess. But, I repeat, there are experts and a court on all this. God grant they judge impartially
    1. +5
      18 October 2019 07: 34
      It’s already impossible to determine exactly how much the boy flew off, all according to eyewitnesses ... at least experts can determine the speed, if it was by the brake track, but until recently, and when I was still, the examinations were carried out using methods when the cars didn’t there were still different abs systems and other things whether they changed, here’s the question, the little boy is certainly a pity, it’s a pity and it says again = parents drive children from early childhood into their heads the rules of traffic rules and street behavior.
    2. +5
      18 October 2019 07: 59
      Not in defense of the major ...
      I was greatly strained by the distance that the boy’s body overcame (maybe at that time he was still alive) and it is possible that the major was traveling in excess.

      You can completely relax 20 meters, this is not a lot for accidents in general. Honestly, it’s too lazy to calculate and take a lot for about the type of weight of a boy, a bicycle, and how the blow occurred on a tangent or to the center of the bumper because with such calculations you can get the result of comparing fortune telling on coffee grounds, but generally a cyclist riding at normal speed (not an athlete in races ) falling from a bicycle, hitting a random stone or other obstacle flies 3-7 meters. Again, this is just a life experience, and not some statistics confirmed by facts (if any). So I think a total of 20 meters for such an accident is not a lot. But that's my personal opinion.
      1. +7
        18 October 2019 08: 54
        Thanks for the clarification, I am not Copenhagen in this matter. But I am glad to your prompting - to be honest, I would like the major to be innocent of what happened. I understand that makes me biased, but I don’t sign up for judges
      2. +2
        18 October 2019 11: 45
        Quote: Alex2048
        falling from a bicycle, hitting a random stone or other obstacle flies 3-7 meters

        From life experience: I drove a bag of potatoes through the frame in the Urals, relaxed downhill, and then the front wheel jumps out of the forks and then the whole world tumbles. In general, he left the skin and meat about 15 meters of asphalt and the potatoes overtook me by 100 meters. In this case, most likely no one was slowing down before the collision. On the highway, moose also love to jump out, in front of the wagon itself.
  10. +7
    18 October 2019 07: 28
    ... the alcohol content in the boy’s blood was ... 0,51 ppm ... Given the small body weight of the child, a drunk mug of kvass could give a temporary jump in the blood ethanol content ...

    The numbers are more interesting. A couple of days ago there was a broadcast on ORT about this, so they only discussed in words without reference to the facts on this case, referring to the previous case with the "drunk child", and the probability of errors during the examination. No specifics - and this, I think, just "drives the wave":
    Internet forensics require mass executions


  11. +5
    18 October 2019 07: 28
    1. The role of parents who have a 6-year-old child riding a bicycle not even on the local, but on the transit road is not covered in the article.
    Time bomb for drivers.
    2. In the case of children, it is clear that this is an occasion to cast doubt on the examination. And if the adult participant in the accident was at least a pedestrian, even a driver? How then to protest an expert’s mistake? And how many such cases of examination were with adults that we don’t know about and will never know, because you won’t prove anything?
  12. +10
    18 October 2019 07: 38
    If guilty, let him sit down. But is it to blame?

    Itself almost turned gray once !!! I got into the car, I wanted to take it back !!! In the rear window I noticed a strange stick that was moving slowly .... I jumped out of the car, and behind the CHILD on a children's bike !!!
    Honestly, I just fell into the car ... I couldn’t walk or speak, it was SCARY !!!
    "MOMMA" 18 - 20 years old, QUIETLY, SILENT, got up from the table where she and her friends were sitting (they drank BEER and did not notice anything at all) ..... pulled the child aside and WENT BACK!
    Went away IMMEDIATELY, sausage was not childish, ANOTHER DAY!
    I still don’t like to drop into that yard .... but my relatives live there!
    By the way, I remember the little mother-mother! Sweet girl WAS, with large bows ......
    1. +1
      18 October 2019 17: 41
      Quote: rocket757
      Itself almost turned gray once !!!
      There was an accident ... a man rides around the yard, doesn’t touch anyone ... a big flyer flies at him, looks somewhere back ... the car stops, after a second the hard hat comes up on the roof ...
      A man was nearly torn apart by mother ...
      1. +2
        18 October 2019 17: 54
        I came home, my wife saw "news" on TV !!!
        On emotions I almost "bit", while I laid out "business" to her on facts !!!
        I reassured only that in the case of a child on a bicycle from behind and a mother who was calm as ....... she was sitting next to her and she was no better than me! Only when I REMEMBERED, I began to think wisely. But I have a smart and calm, besides a lawyer by training.
        That doesn’t fit in women’s heads, in an inflated state, that there is a presumption of innocence !!!
  13. -4
    18 October 2019 08: 04
    Probably to blame, the cyclist drove onto the main road from the secondary one? However, there is a village .... there must be a speed limit, no? The boy was thrown 20 meters away! With what speed did this "servant of the law" drive? winked
    1. -6
      18 October 2019 08: 10
      The cyclist is to blame, there's nothing to be done

      Nothing like this. A vehicle is a danger hazard.
      Although where the cyclist will ride, the driver of the car will be to blame and be responsible for the accident.
      1. -2
        18 October 2019 08: 21
        Well, then the "servant of the law" will have to answer. - once he is to blame for traffic rules. Can, hence, "the presence of alcohol in the blood" grows? Actually, the "servant" is a major, a pretty big shot in this fraternity.

        Place of incident.
        1. +1
          20 October 2019 11: 39
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          Place of incident.

          As I understand it, the red arrow is the direction of movement of the cyclist, and the blue arrow is the direction of movement of the car. Bushes limit the review of the intersection; it might not have time to react. Again - are there signs indicating the boundaries of the village that limit speed. In general, questions .... They will sort it out for a long time. Again, the wave in the media has been raised. In short, the major flew in full, went called on vacation. Even if it’s not his fault, you still have to quit, the management will crush. Now it’s easier to throw a person overboard like unnecessary ballast than to fight for it.
      2. 0
        18 October 2019 17: 43
        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        Although where the cyclist will ride, the driver of the car will be to blame and be responsible for the accident.
        Cyclist knocked down on an unregulated zebra crossing is guilty tongue
        This is from the clarifications of the COP, if that.
        1. -3
          18 October 2019 17: 47
          Quote: Simargl
          Cyclist knocked down on an unregulated zebra crossing is guilty

          And if he walks a bicycle along this zebra, is he guilty too?
          1. +2
            18 October 2019 17: 59
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            And if he walks a bicycle along this zebra, is he guilty too?
            As soon as he begins to rest against the planet with both feet, then at least he will push the plane — not a pilot, but a pedestrian.
  14. +3
    18 October 2019 09: 02
    I fully support, and Internet gorlopans should be called to account, I’m not talking about frank provocateurs.
  15. +1
    18 October 2019 09: 31
    Yes, you remember your own childhood and think - how did we survive!
    1. +1
      18 October 2019 17: 43
      Quote: Greg Miller
      and you think - how did we survive!
      There were fewer cars, people were a little calmer, roads were worse.
      1. +4
        18 October 2019 18: 48
        But we had carbide and others, negatively affecting the life expectancy of children, things and materials ... and wonderful ideas in our heads could not be counted ...
        1. +2
          18 October 2019 19: 34
          Quote: Greg Miller
          But we had carbide and others
          Military unit, a training ground nearby ...
          They caught me hiding behind targets ("tanks" on the rails), took away a working mine ...
          There was no carbide - only gunpowder, TNT and a craving for adventure ...
        2. +2
          20 October 2019 11: 41
          Quote: Greg Miller
          But we had carbide and others, negatively affecting the life expectancy of children, things and materials ... and wonderful ideas in our heads could not be counted ...

          Well, as it is sung in one popular song that I often hear on "Retro FM": "On the other hand, but I had a CHILDHOOD!" laughing
  16. +1
    18 October 2019 09: 51
    Quote: Aerodrome
    I have never heard of "rotation of traffic cops" - what's this?

    Not a rotation, but a transfer to leadership positions. As a rule, all leaders from the mainland. For the summer period, there is an increase in crews again from the mainland.
    1. +2
      18 October 2019 16: 51
      Quote: Silvestr
      Not a rotation, but a transfer to leadership positions.

      why do you write comments only under social articles?
      under the articles, purely military you were not noticed ...
  17. +6
    18 October 2019 11: 13
    Well, firstly: the name of the policeman is not Melnikov, but Menshchikov. Secondly: he didn’t help him, he didn’t even come to him. I have never met with the baby's parents. Well, in the third: the road is visible at a decent distance, the speed was high, did not have time to react.
  18. +1
    18 October 2019 11: 51
    You should not look for justice in a state where the concept of "expert" has been killed.
  19. +1
    18 October 2019 12: 48
    As for the driver’s behavior, I wouldn’t sing praises here - he knew very well from work that there were zero chances to escape responsibility and immediately began to minimize the problem. Behavior is socially desirable and this is important.
    so it was a conscience or a calculation, or all together - the question is insoluble without close acquaintance.

    but I would like to point out something else - I’m the driver myself and I am regularly covered by the side view and the flow of cars, and the roadsides clogged with parking lots and other problems. Most of the roads simply do not give a chance to see the problem in advance and somehow adapt the speed. Even pedestrians jump out unexpectedly, not to mention bicycles. And the last one is the driver, although at the same time he may not violate traffic rules at all. It seems to me that traffic rules for city streets need to be adapted.
    It is necessary to somehow regulate the speed in conditions of limited visibility. In my opinion, it is necessary to provide a second for the reaction plus a meter and a half braking distances due to the dropping speed, in order to significantly reduce the threat to an accidental passer-by.
    I also want to see an amendment for cars with large dimensions - their parking and stop must be moved further from the transitions and stops than is now permitted.
    Well, the last thing is also important. Each participant in the movement must know traffic rules.
    This applies not only to drivers, but also to children. Every child at least 8-9 years old should know the responsibilities of a pedestrian - some sort of squeeze from traffic rules, as well as features of the interpretation of movement, for example, completion of a maneuver, yellow light. I must understand how the car should behave in the yard and on the road. All this was explained to me in the USSR at school and kindergarten, although not completely. For example, I did not understand what it was necessary to give to complete the maneuver and boldly threw myself under the wheels when the green light came on.
    1. 0
      18 October 2019 14: 32
      For example, I did not understand what it was necessary to give to complete the maneuver and boldly threw myself under the wheels when the green light came on.

      And drivers should not perceive a yellow signal?
      We start on the green with minor departures.
      1. 0
        18 October 2019 14: 49
        I didn’t talk about yellow. in traffic rules everything is already clearly stated.
  20. 0
    18 October 2019 14: 59
    The banal excuse of a policeman is evidence that he raced indiscriminately and therefore knocked down a child and now his guards justify
  21. 0
    18 October 2019 22: 32
    He himself was a nomad in a similar situation.
    Autumn was getting dark. Asphalt is wet from previous rain.
    T shaped intersection, traffic light constantly flashing yellow.
    I cross the road, out of the corner of my eye on the left side I notice a Hyundai SUV flying me. Recognized by silhouette. (Friends have a similar one).
    And at the crossroads, towards me, riding a bike, a resident of the near abroad, about 14 years old, also "crosses" the road. They caught up .... I catch his tired / doomed look for a split second.
    Missed ...
    I keep moving, put my foot on the sidewalk ..
    Squeal of brakes, the sound of a dry blow. Vile, unpleasant sound!
    I turn around - in a slow motion movie, the body of a cyclist along a curved trajectory meeeeely flies to the sidewalk on its side of the road.
    And the body flew exactly 15 meters ...
    Then I was amazed at how long and far his body flew.
    In the car there was a man with a woman, about 50 years old.
    Apparently they were returning home to the city ...
    He did not stop immediately, after about 50 meters.
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    1. +4
      19 October 2019 19: 03
      Zadolbali - if the cop, surely guilty! As a retired investigator who lost a road accident account to which I had to leave, I explain: the driver was in danger of movement at the moment when the cyclist crossed the border of the intersection. After that, the car continues to move at the same speed for at least a second (average driver reaction time to the danger), then 2-3 fractions of a second for the brakes to work, and only after that the speed starts to decrease and a visible braking trace appears. In the presence of ABS, the response time of the brakes may increase, and the braking trace left as a rule when braking to the south appears only at the end. From the photo it follows that the boy appeared on the main road to the right of the driver, that is, he proceeded in the danger zone for no more than a second. More precisely, this time is set during the investigative experiment. In such a situation, the result of the technical expertise will be unambiguous - the driver of the car did not have the technical ability to prevent collision by braking, that is, he is not guilty. For alcohol in the blood of a child, it all depends on how much time has passed from the moment of blood sampling to the moment of its examination, as well as on the conditions in which this blood was. If it was not stored in the refrigerator, it was even transported from the district center where the autopsy was carried out to the regional office of the Ministry of Emergency Measures in a warm car - because of putrefactive phenomena, even a higher percentage of alcohol could be found. It’s just that our media out of the ordinary situation is trying to fan a scandal - that’s all.
  23. +1
    19 October 2019 19: 52
    The devil knows him gentlemen. As a cyclist who rolls every Divine day to and from work across a federal highway, I can hardly imagine how to hit me so that I fly twenty meters away.
    Though sober, even drunk. With the impact of such a force, my sobriety will no longer be of fundamental importance. Verily I tell you.
  24. 0
    19 October 2019 20: 33
    Quote: 210ox
    The major is certainly to blame .. At least he behaved rightly and did not evade. However, these unfortunate parents are also to blame .. You must follow the child ..


    I like that! If there was a simple "" not major "would be ... You would at least think before you write. By the way, guilt is decided by the court!
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  26. 0
    20 October 2019 20: 08
    I myself am a motorist (since '98) and in recent years a cyclist. I can say from Mariupol that 80% of cyclists are condits for the Darwin Prize. I don’t want to whitewash or blame anyone. The investigation will figure it out. Parents are my sincere condolences. And zvezdyulin from the top, bought a child lisaped, teach him traffic rules. We were remembered in the first grade of the school taught. Not in full, but as if in a simplified mode. Look to the left, look to the right and so on.
  27. 0
    21 October 2019 03: 43
    First of all, pay attention that the alcohol content in the boy’s blood was not very large, 0,51 ppm. For comparison: in the blood of the victims of the tragedy in Zheleznodorozhny, the alcohol content in 2,7 ppm - that is, more than five times more. In this case, the dose exceeds the maximum allowable figure for adult drivers 0,35 ppm but not enough to indicate any serious intoxication.

    From personal experience.

    12.8

    This is the NA behind the wheel.

    So !!!

    I drunk it was 0,75 white and three liters. beer.

    And what do you think how many ppm showed all possible tests ???

    0,53 !!!

    YOU UNDERSTAND???!!!

    0,7 vodka per 25 year old man - 0,53 ppm.

    0,53 is 0,7 liters.

    So?

    0,51 is about 0,5 liters.

    Well, you yourself think !!!!

    0,5 in SIX, what will happen to him ?!

    Returning to the first case.

    They generally scored 2,5 ppm.

    YES HERE NO ONE, FROM THE WORDS, WILL NOT DRINK BY 2,5 PROMILLE !!!!!!

    EVEN DO NOT ATTEMPT, DO NOT TRY.

    Which of you will master 3 by 0,7 and 1 0.5 ???

    NOBODY AND NEVER !!!

    So we don’t need here for alcohol in children in some huge ppm.

    do not plump.

    hi
    1. +1
      21 October 2019 10: 36
      So?

      0,51 is about 0,5 liters.

      Well, you yourself think !!!!

      0,5 in SIX, what will happen to him ?!

      Especially for vanks who did not study well at school.
      Per mille is 0,1%. In this case, it is a measure relative blood alcohol content. Word "relative" doesn’t tell you anything? This term is just now being studied by my daughter in the THIRD grade of the school. So you need to consume half a liter of vodara to achieve 0.5 ppm (which, by the way, speaks of your decent size for an average person, 0,55 ppm is only 100 grams of vodka) and a glass of kvass is enough for the child. In fact, beer ....
      1. +1
        22 October 2019 03: 26
        Quote: bk316
        who did poorly at school.


        This did not stop Vanka from getting two educations. Well, God be with him.

        Come on.

        In 2007, 0,3 ppm was allowed. So? I blew 0,53. After 0,7 vodka and treshki beer.

        Dimensions.

        My.

        On 2007

        184 cm 96 kg. Enough?

        Now attention! Without a calculator.

        0,53 minus 0,3 is 0,23

        0,23 divided by (0,7 vodka + 3 liters of beer) we get ...

        And now you !!!

        Once so smart. You can take a calculator.

        And to estimate, at least approximately.

        Relative to.

        Who, how much, at what age and what, should drink.

        Regarding the term.

        It was so. In the second year at vocational school and at the institute of higher mathematics.

        Here is one more.

        I have a son in the fourth, but I have never had a relativity. Not yet.

        Arividerchi! hi Good buy may love, good buy!


        Quote: Vanek
        do not plump.
  28. 0
    21 October 2019 15: 16
    Once in the rules of the road it was written - which he could and should have foreseen. If there is an exit on the road, then of course you need to be careful and reduce speed, but it turns out the opposite. Driver, where are you in such a hurry? You see, the brakes are out of order, I hurry home until nothing happened. Like quickly painting a fence, why? I hasten to paint until the paint is over. In settlements you need to be extremely careful, and not show that you are a horse, and your horse is faster than an airplane.
  29. Kaw
    -1
    21 October 2019 22: 44
    Not so long ago, this site published information that in one of the military units they found a conscript with his hands tied and a bag on his head, and the investigation was inclined to the version of suicide. And surprisingly, here, as well as now, there were many commentators who argued that all this was a common thing and indulged in thoughts like, "yes, I also had a similar case."
    Instead of punishing the bastard, you wrote this article and drove all Olginos here to portray "nationwide support" in the comments.
    Guess why in our country conscious patriots, is this an endangered species? Who will love you after that? Who will believe in these your articles and monotonous template comments ?!
  30. 0
    21 October 2019 23: 41
    Communicated with a friend from the organs. Definitely with a fatal accident give a term. Though conditional.
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