About the crisis of NATO solidarity on the example of the French special forces abandoned in Syria

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The situation with French special forces left without supplies in northern Syria forces French (and not only) experts to ask questions about the reality of partnership in the North Atlantic Alliance.

About the crisis of NATO solidarity on the example of the French special forces abandoned in Syria




Recall that the Champs Elysees a few days ago officially recognized that special forces of the French armed forces were operating in the north of the SAR. At the same time, as French journalists found out, Washington’s withdrawal of troops from these areas caught the French special forces almost by surprise. The situation boiled down to the fact that the Syrian army began to approach the places of deployment of the French after the Kurds agreed with official Damascus. In addition, the French special forces corps was deprived of supply due to the fact that earlier this supply was carried out through the Americans (as the main component of the so-called coalition), and the Americans simply left.

The situation for Paris: firstly, the United States left the territories without warning the Allies, secondly, there is no supply of contingent, and thirdly, France supported anti-Turkish sanctions (primarily weapons embargo), and the Turkish army is advancing from the north, fourthly, the Assad’s army is coming from the south, against which Paris has always repeated “must leave!”

Thus, a clear dysfunction of NATO solidarity manifested itself. Both France, the United States, and Turkey are members of the North Atlantic Alliance, but, as it turned out, the alliance in crisis situations as a whole does not work. Therefore, today, the French authorities have to go to evacuate their special forces, discussing the security of the operation not with their "main" allies.

Against this background, the status of the largest NATO land exercises announced in the east of Europe since the end of the Cold War has somewhat decreased. The exercises were announced as support for NATO's eastern flag countries. But that support is outside the crisis, it may turn out to be the absence of such in truly difficult situations directly related to the need to coordinate their actions. The latter was proved by the same episode with French special forces abandoned without logistical support in northern Syria. It turned out that different NATO members might find themselves diametrically opposed in a single territory.
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  1. +9
    17 October 2019 13: 33
    The situation with French special forces left without supplies in northern Syria forces French (and not only) experts to ask questions about the reality of partnership in the North Atlantic Alliance.
    And what did you leave? Would stay.
    crisis of NATO solidarity on the example of the French special forces abandoned in Syria
    We also had a friendship of peoples. request
    1. 0
      17 October 2019 14: 41
      Whatever they say, friendship is friendship, and lunch is actually at least OMON, at least special forces, at least Tambov, at least Buryat, at least in Chechnya, at least in Transnistria, were they scheduled? True, under different ministers in different ways - and not all of them were punished ...
    2. GRF
      +3
      18 October 2019 06: 59
      NATO is a respectable organization, it used to be possible to leave it, but now if something happens, they will tear a member, and the world will only breathe a sigh of relief ...
      but you, Ukrainians, do not be afraid, go ahead! America is not with France! America is with you!
      uhahaha .....
      1. +4
        18 October 2019 13: 30
        Yes, "America is with us" does not sound so reassuring after that! It's like on the street: two gopniks got to the bottom of a passer-by. Then the big gopnik left, and the smaller gopnik was left alone with the "victim". True, it is not clear who the victim is now. But in any case, they will not touch the French specialists. They will interrogate and release.
  2. +4
    17 October 2019 13: 33
    About the crisis of NATO solidarity on the example of the French special forces abandoned in Syria

    The poor remained in the desert without frogs and snails ...
    1. +2
      17 October 2019 17: 18
      Quote: lexus
      poor things ...

      Immediately I remembered the old Russian saying. "Get a fascist grenade" Trifle, but nice laughing
    2. GRF
      +1
      18 October 2019 07: 04
      the French are touched by the hot sun? Well, all the sun, this will fly, the fifth point will be involved ...
      Balts, you are the vanguard! face!
      wow ...
  3. +10
    17 October 2019 13: 39
    the crisis alliance as a whole does not work.

    so his own shirt is closer to the body .... and the salvation of a drowning man is the work of the drowning man himself ...
    1. +12
      17 October 2019 13: 43
      Vasya! hi showed them their place in the food chain lol
      1. +26
        17 October 2019 13: 50
        Keitel was amazed to see the French among the winners ...
        1. +10
          17 October 2019 13: 51
          and then !! surrendered with ardor - and suddenly on you
      2. +17
        17 October 2019 13: 50
        showed them their place in the food chain lol

        showed ??? Yes, everything is much easier ... they simply simply did not even remember .... Yes
        Novel hi
        1. +8
          17 October 2019 13: 52
          now, don’t even feel sorry for them ...
          1. +6
            17 October 2019 13: 55
            simple sympathy does not cause ...
            1. +11
              17 October 2019 14: 06
              you can only bomb out of pity so you don’t suffer
              1. +6
                17 October 2019 14: 33
                Cool said! Shake your hand!
                1. +4
                  17 October 2019 14: 38
                  well, we are humanists
                  Shake your hand!

                  similarly!
              2. +11
                17 October 2019 14: 52
                Oh, what a bloodthirsty!
                And for me, it was necessary to put the French together in a bunch, put them in turntables, take them out with Tartus with personal weapons, send an express corvette to the nearest French base and all this accompanied by a fucking humanitarian and humane account of millions per 100 euros - and promote this action not childish: after that France would be guaranteed to become an ally of Russia, and a kilometer queue would be lined up to lick Putin's boot.
                More distant consequences could be written down on 2 more pages, but this is tiring and useless
                1. +5
                  17 October 2019 15: 02
                  I doubt their gratitude, they are ungrateful piglets, and risking their own for this ... ??
                  1. +3
                    17 October 2019 15: 05
                    Yes, we do not care about their gratitude, but Macron will not turn away from THIS and GREAT gratitude, otherwise he might lose face in front of the whole EU ...
                    And if Russia also refuses money ... laughing
                    1. +3
                      17 October 2019 15: 07
                      oh, I don’t know .. he’s not on his own - they will order and take a shower from the feces in full view of the whole World
                      1. -2
                        17 October 2019 19: 47
                        Nah, it used to be, but now he has matured, began to object to Donica, he wanted to become the EU leader ...
                        So after all, Russia has matured so much that now they "greet Vovkoy in line", and already somehow confusedly object (not counting the "barking baltigers" who strive to tear their pants off) ...
                        So everything is still ahead (if they don’t rumble ...)
                  2. 0
                    17 October 2019 15: 08
                    And here, by the way, there is no risk whatsoever if ours requests an air corridor over Turkish territory from the Sultan
                2. 0
                  17 October 2019 16: 57
                  Let the money pay in advance.
                  1. 0
                    17 October 2019 19: 52
                    What for?
                    It is much more profitable for us to lend this amount to them and offer them to buy our weapons from us - and now they are already on our kukan! laughing
                    Or don’t you remember who the sultanion was for us (and almost gave his soul from the coup!), And how does it say differently when Russia made him the Sultan?
                3. 0
                  18 October 2019 21: 51
                  Money up front
      3. +4
        17 October 2019 14: 08
        The French president has shown his allegiance to the United States to the detriment of the military of his country!
        1. +4
          17 October 2019 14: 25
          at the expense of others, all the eagles ..
  4. +1
    17 October 2019 13: 41
    The main thing is that no one has bad feelings for them ... and will not kill. Give them cash and they themselves will come from comfortably.
    1. +3
      17 October 2019 13: 48
      or maybe they will,
    2. +3
      17 October 2019 14: 19
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Give them cash and they themselves will come from comfortably.

      They don’t sit there without cash. They will not die of hunger.
  5. +1
    17 October 2019 13: 46
    The history of the French has never taught anything.
    1. 0
      18 October 2019 03: 20
      Not the French, but their ruling elite. However, this elite firmly grasped one, hold on tight to the one who helps to sit at the trough.
    2. 0
      18 October 2019 10: 21
      Do they have ethnic francs in this special forces of theirs? Or, as usual, the zouaves are different?
  6. +5
    17 October 2019 13: 46
    It seems strange to me that the French say that they were not warned.
    It seems to me that the French headquarters screwed up and is trying to hide behind the accusations of the Americans.
    Americans, for all their features, try to act in accordance with their protocols, and they have points about allied forces. I do not believe that someone has framed them like that. This is fraught with a reduction in pensions by several thousand dollars, and Americans are able to count.
    1. +5
      17 October 2019 14: 23
      Quote: yehat
      I do not believe that someone has framed them like that.

      The American received the order and home, there are people who give orders and who follow orders. It would be interesting if the French abandoned the Americans?
      1. +2
        17 October 2019 16: 03
        Americans have a global supply chain.
        I think they can organize new logistics anywhere in the world in 2-3 days.
        1. +2
          17 October 2019 23: 25
          Quote: yehat
          in 2-3 days they can organize new logistics anywhere in the world.

          Already not for 2-3, and far from any.
    2. nks
      0
      18 October 2019 15: 41
      Quote: yehat
      It seems strange to me that the French say that they were not warned.

      But the French do not say this. The article, as usual, is sucked out of the finger. It was only stated that in connection with the withdrawal of the amers, additional security measures will be taken (both military and civilian personnel)
  7. +6
    17 October 2019 13: 47
    I don't really understand what the problem is for a country like France to organize the supply of several hundred of its fighters by air and, in general, to urgently evacuate them ... They are not on some Taimyr Peninsula in the number of divisions fall off like winter crops ... Shame not on the special forces, but the potentials of the French leadership of the army and the country .. And the special forces (if the special forces) on "grazing" supplies will come out, though not all of them .. and not always loyal to their top commanders ...
    1. +3
      17 October 2019 14: 36
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      I don’t really understand what the problem is for a country like France to organize the air supply of several hundred of its fighters and, in general, urgently carry out their evacuation

      Yes, it’s just that the Freachers sent their warriors to Syria, the Yaniks should feed them, give them water, supply cartridges, and the Franician generals and staff officers forgot about them. They are sitting in Malinrush, sucking a chardonnay, and here and here Papic Donald put a pig, took and brought out his, of course, Frannikov’s generals, they warned you, and you entered. But it’s necessary to throw the chardonnay and take up your conclusions, time will pass and they will swing, but so far do not bother people to relax.
    2. +3
      17 October 2019 15: 46
      The 1st Marine Infantry Parachute Regiment lived in Kobani (it is difficult to translate - a hybrid of marines and airborne forces), belonging to special forces. Indeed, the crisis is on the conscience of bigwigs, both military and political. Maybe if the French had deployed units from the Foreign Legion, then the hype could have been avoided. We decided to train the "regulars" without bothering with the logistics and not allowing such a "knight's move" from an ally ...
    3. +5
      17 October 2019 16: 53
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      And spetsnaz (if spetsnaz) will come out on "grazing" supplies, though not all of them ..

      The fattest "go missing".
  8. +2
    17 October 2019 13: 48
    Maybe the lesson will be the rest of NATO special forces !?
  9. +9
    17 October 2019 13: 48
    The United States, starting the war in Syria, shouted to the whole world, we created a coalition of 63 states to overthrow the Assad regime. Assad at the helm, and where is the coalition?
    Why only two run away, Americans with the French. And where are the rest - 61 ?! crying
    1. +8
      17 October 2019 13: 52
      Gone in English.
    2. +8
      17 October 2019 14: 03
      And where are the rest - 61 ?!

      Gone in English.

      The vast majority did not come. Because it did not know that it was in a coalition.
    3. +1
      17 October 2019 16: 07
      have you been waiting for the expeditionary forces of Seychelles, Marshall Islands, Kuwait, Micronesia, etc. to land? Half of the allies do not actually have what can be called an "army."
    4. 0
      17 October 2019 19: 00
      The American coalition is the United States Army and the money for its maintenance from these 63.
    5. +1
      18 October 2019 10: 24
      The Estonian contingent has not arrived yet. Rides. In the elevator.
  10. -1
    17 October 2019 13: 52
    And what did the French hope then? when the minke whales left there and they had to leave according to the striped experience, and not whine now.
  11. +7
    17 October 2019 13: 57
    In NATO, friendship is only when distributing cuffs, if received, each for himself. In principle, as in any gang.
  12. +3
    17 October 2019 13: 58
    Well, that’s normal. What does the French special forces do there? We must call the muffler and that’s it!
  13. 0
    17 October 2019 13: 59
    Quote: 210ox
    Keitel was amazed to see the French among the winners ...

    Stalin persuaded the United States and England
    1. 0
      17 October 2019 21: 53
      Quote: Oleg133
      Quote: 210ox
      Keitel was amazed to see the French among the winners ...

      Stalin persuaded the United States and England

      Quite the contrary. The British from the United States sold to fuck 75% of the territory of Germany, and not 66,7%
  14. +3
    17 October 2019 14: 04
    Turkey is also a member of NATO. That will show the Franks solidarity.
  15. +2
    17 October 2019 14: 04
    NATO solidarity - but what is it and when did it manifest itself in real hostilities? Probably the French should not have climbed with Syrian special forces to Syria. Before that they loomed the ships off the Syrian coast and even tried to shoot, but then they quietly retreated. And they did not dig problems. And now, probably, you will have to turn to Russia for help in order to pull out your glorious special forces.
    manifest dysfunction of NATO solidarity
    The main thing is that this does not cause dysfunction of the stomachs of the French special forces without supplies and clamped on both sides.
    1. +8
      17 October 2019 14: 21
      And here - Oppa! Russia did not have the Mistral to evacuate the French. Well, sorry guys, you are there, let's do it yourself somehow ...
  16. 0
    17 October 2019 14: 06
    Quote: Oleg133

    Stalin persuaded the United States and England

    And Germany ??? laughing
    1. +5
      17 October 2019 15: 49
      Germany was "persuaded" by the Red Army.
  17. +1
    17 October 2019 14: 26
    The striped people will remember whatever article of the charter and send, send "allies" away ... they may remember that the French in .... somewhere there did not help them and all the business!
  18. +1
    17 October 2019 14: 49
    After the Second World War, the French raked so much from the local population, and history does not teach anything. What did they forget there? The Yankees tried to squeeze the oil, the Kurds and the Turks butt, the SAA frees the country, how can it get everyone, but these?
  19. 0
    17 October 2019 14: 59
    Well, now our field kitchens are deployed in Berlin and will feed the paddling pools
  20. +2
    17 October 2019 15: 17
    Our people will drive up - they will give them the cans from under the pork stew, there you can scrape the bottom with a scone and cover the lid - that's enough for the first time!
  21. +2
    17 October 2019 16: 12
    Solid kidalovo. Keep this in mind for the future, paddling pools.
  22. -7
    17 October 2019 16: 18
    Excellent, well-developed topic. I would not work in the field, I could believe the article. Partaigenosse Ilya Ehrenburg and fellow Goebbels can be proud of their student - the author of the article.
  23. +4
    17 October 2019 17: 06
    Russia will destroy NATO sooner or later .. This is revenge for the USSR and the main thing is still ahead of the "gentlemen" ..
    Russia is not connected with ideology now and we will act by your own methods and will achieve our goal sooner or later.
    In vain did you anger and humiliate the Russians .. soldier
    1. -12
      17 October 2019 19: 14
      And why bring the blame on NATO, if all the republican kings and Pasha from under the Kremlin were eager for their reign?
      In Russia they say: "You cannot be lovely." The republics have escaped, they will have to drive back only with the blood of the peoples or by bribery of the leaders. And still through the blood. Who will drive? Russia? The ideas of proletarian Marxism (Marx hated Russia)? Or capture?
      Then there will be a corresponding attitude towards the Russians. Although in Russia, how many Russian people, if any, are purebreds left, and even then, who are the "Russians"? Kadyrov's army?
      Isn't that XHHE?
  24. Eug
    +3
    17 October 2019 18: 12
    And you can ask - what did they do there? By agreement with whom? So let them make claims to those for whom they worked and who have some obligations to them ... and so - in a war as in a war, authorship, by the way, is French ....
  25. +1
    17 October 2019 19: 45
    This is an appeal by the French to their closest NATO allies that they would really understand what the Americans can do with them. It’s true that some countries do not understand this, if anyone draws conclusions from the situation, I think not in the Baltic states!
    1. 0
      17 October 2019 20: 10
      And what is the choice of the Baltic parasites? request They will cry like mice, but this notorious cactus will burst.
      1. 0
        18 October 2019 17: 38
        Quote: Captive
        And what is the choice of the Baltic parasites?

        There is always a choice! For example, the Finns, who have chosen for themselves the role of a bridge, between East and West, make excellent use of their geographical position. It’s hard for the Baltic states
  26. 0
    17 October 2019 20: 08
    And to whom now is Macron going with his problem? Both Assad and Putin and, as Erdogan now turns out to be, are presidents of countries against which France adheres to sanctions. Here, as in a joke - either put on your underpants or take off your cross. I think it's better to go to the Russians. They had a Coca-Cola container from the Americans and a ball for American football (which is symbolic).
  27. +1
    17 October 2019 20: 08
    Again, naivety. That the Kurds, that the youngest from NATO. The youngest second grade Americans are VIP. And no snot.
  28. +1
    17 October 2019 20: 23
    Yes, the paddles in all its glory, the Russian Mistrals were squeezed (due to the returned Crimea), and they themselves ... had come to Syria to arrange their own orders - in the name of what and by what right!?.
  29. +1
    17 October 2019 21: 50
    If you consider that Macron is the loudest advocate for an escape from NATO, then it is likely that this is a punishment, or maybe the Franks themselves were shot down by the Baltic states.
  30. +1
    17 October 2019 23: 12
    Special Forces of France or Belgium. what difference is henchmen hegemon.
  31. 0
    17 October 2019 23: 15
    understand that European states do not have an independent policy. this is a flock of breeding dogs. when they greatly breed the gigemon will plague them.
  32. 0
    17 October 2019 23: 40
    Quote: KVU-NSVD
    I don’t really understand what the problem is for a country like France to organize an air supply

    To do this, you need to control that air. And now this is not a fact at all.
  33. 0
    17 October 2019 23: 42
    Quote: Andryukha G
    in the name of what and by what right !?

    in the name of cheap hydrocarbons by the law of a former colony.
  34. +2
    17 October 2019 23: 46
    "There is no stew, but you stay there! I wish you health and all the best!" (from)
    1. 0
      18 October 2019 03: 11
      And cola, or whatever the paddlers use there ...
  35. +1
    18 October 2019 02: 00
    It turned out that different NATO members might find themselves diametrically opposed in a single territory.

    "Swan, Cancer and Pike" laughing His shirt is still closer to the body than previously thought. bully
  36. 0
    18 October 2019 03: 10
    This is Gleb from the Interns. laughing
  37. 0
    18 October 2019 03: 38
    Yeah, no one really knew where they were, and then the paddling pools grew between Syria and Turkey in the offensive, it’s going to go to the Turks to ask ...
  38. 0
    18 October 2019 06: 50
    Just laugh, no comments needed.
  39. 0
    18 October 2019 08: 07
    So this is special forces or a kindergarten "Daisy" ?????
  40. +1
    18 October 2019 08: 23
    : remember the Soviet anecdote - "... Chukchi stop howling - I am not howling, I am singing! What are you singing about? - that I see and sing about that ..."
  41. +1
    18 October 2019 08: 32
    Quote: hydrox
    Whatever they say, friendship is friendship, and lunch is actually at least OMON, at least special forces, at least Tambov, at least Buryat, at least in Chechnya, at least in Transnistria, were they scheduled? True, under different ministers in different ways - and not all of them were punished ...

    And where does such "encyclopedic" knowledge about lunch come from? lol
  42. 0
    18 October 2019 10: 21
    Precisely dysfunction of solidarity.
  43. 0
    18 October 2019 13: 16
    This sho such a special forces, left without supplies, and that they must now die, that is, no dinner, I can’t fight, something like it does not fit with such a preparation.
  44. 0
    18 October 2019 13: 32
    It’s for nothing that they weren’t in Libya. There they noted stronger.
  45. +2
    18 October 2019 13: 52
    This is not the first time the Anglo-Saxons have thrown the French. So it was already in the Second World War.
    This is a tradition laughing
  46. 0
    18 October 2019 14: 28
    Thus, a clear dysfunction of NATO solidarity manifested itself. Both France, the United States, and Turkey are members of the North Atlantic Alliance.

    erectile disfunction
  47. +1
    18 October 2019 18: 50
    Yeah. It’s necessary, the friends faded away and didn’t even leave the cud to the Franks. If you think about it, this republic had only one leader, they scold him, but Charles de Gaulle was with strong Fabergés. Therefore, he did not climb into this gang. crying
  48. 0
    18 October 2019 18: 52
    Russia and Putin help!
  49. 0
    18 October 2019 19: 54
    Let them hand over all the weapons, equipment and special means of our military police, keep their cowards, a helmet and the vaunted FAMAS and bring them to Paris. It makes no sense to keep them in the basement like a British run-up SAS. And this "special forces" is most likely the Foreign Legion, half of our former compatriots, count Russians. I communicated closely with the French special forces legionnaire: after "Storm in the Desert" they really do not like amer-allies, VERY (!). And here we got once again proof of the rottenness of the "friends" ...
  50. 0
    18 October 2019 22: 12
    Taki is very good news!
  51. 0
    19 October 2019 12: 03
    The surviving Frenchman will make the plot of a Hollywood film come true..)
  52. 0
    20 October 2019 01: 25
    Quote: Radikal
    Quote: hydrox
    Whatever they say, friendship is friendship, and lunch is actually at least OMON, at least special forces, at least Tambov, at least Buryat, at least in Chechnya, at least in Transnistria, were they scheduled? True, under different ministers in different ways - and not all of them were punished ...

    And where does such "encyclopedic" knowledge about lunch come from? lol

    Dear, clarification: lunch on a schedule - this is at an institute or other institution, in the army - according to a schedule! laughing

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