Sea serpent. North Korea's most dangerous weapon

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"Flaming"


Tension in East Asia is growing every year. Here are the relations of South Korea with the DPRK, and the claims of Koreans to the Japanese, connected with the Second World War. And vice versa. And, of course, the geopolitical struggle of the PRC and the States. Earlier, by the way, experts estimated that now about 25% of all world trade passes through the South China Sea. So many experts see it as the key to world domination, although with some “buts.”





North Korea, unlike China, does not pretend to any world domination, and despite aggressive rhetoric with regard to its neighbors, it is mainly aimed at defending its borders. However, the DPRK fleet is impressive in size. North Korean military command has at its disposal two fleet: East and West. The first, according to data from open sources, includes 470 ships and ships, while the West has 300 ships and ships of different classes. With the total number of employees in the Navy of the DPRK is about 50-60 thousand people. For comparison: the number of the Russian Navy as of 2018 is 150 thousand people. At the same time, the total population in Russia is 146 million, in the DPRK - 25 million.

Interesting arithmetic, of course, few people will surprise. North Korea is a unique living "organism", militarized to the extreme. For example, the DPRK Navy’s conscription service life is 5-10 years. In the ground forces - 5-12 years. In a word, "fun."

Quantity instead of quality


For all this, there is not the slightest doubt about the plight of both the country itself and its armed forces, which are forced, in conditions of poverty and international isolation, to exploit literally everything else that can move along the road, walk along the sea or fly.

Now North Korean submarine forces are among the most numerous. By the number of non-nuclear submarines, the DPRK is among the top leading countries: it is assumed that the country has 70-80 submarines. The basis of the submarine fleet is relatively large diesel submarines, which are a modification of the Soviet submarine of the 633 project. In total, experts believe that there are approximately 20 of such boats in the DPRK. First, they were imported from China, and then North Korea was able to independently produce ships of this type.

The length of the 633 project submarine reaches 76,6 meters, and the width is 6,7 meters. Underwater displacement - 1712 tons. Crew - 52 person. The boat has eight 533-mm torpedo tubes.



According to experts, the rest of the DPRK submarines are small and ultra-small submarines, which by default have limited capabilities. However, even North Korea can surprise with sudden achievements (of course, you need to realistically understand the country's potential and its real opportunities). In July of this year, the North Korean agency CTAC announced the appearance in the DPRK arsenal of a new submarine. "The new submarine, built with careful guidance and special attention of a respected senior leader, is designed to perform tasks in the operating area of ​​the East Sea and is on the eve of operational deployment," the agency said.

The experts were most attracted by the photographs of the boat, against which Kim Jong-un himself was photographed. Then the well-known portal Covert Shores, dedicated to the naval theme, presented its findings on this subject. “The footage shown on the CCAC shows only the lower hull of the submarine, near the stern and near the bow. This is enough to say with confidence that we have a modified Romeo class submarine, ”the expert writes. All this confirms the thesis about the existence in North Korea of ​​a large submarine with ballistic missiles, which was previously seen on satellite images during its construction.



An important detail needs to be clarified here: Romeo is nothing but the NATO classification of the 633 project mentioned above. Of course, placing ballistic missiles on board an old diesel-electric submarine is not a trivial task. According to earlier reports, the 633 project was significantly extended for this, but as Covert Shores notes, this is not necessarily the case. Most likely, the missile containers were located in the stern battery compartment right in front of the engine room. At the same time, the cabin was lengthened, and the creators had to sacrifice part of the interior of the boat. As for the number of missiles, their number varies from two to three: the Covert Shores portal depicts on the chart an option with three missile silos.



It is important to clarify one detail in order to avoid confusion. Earlier, North Korea has already built and commissioned at least one Gorae submarine, known in the West as Sinpo. This is a slightly smaller warship, probably capable of carrying one Pukkykson-1 ballistic missile.

Last argument


Thus, the DPRK received a strategic submarine, whose power can several times exceed the potential of a Gorae type submarine. But what exactly is the new boat armed with? At the beginning of the month, it became known that on October 2 of 2019, the DPRK made the first flight test of a new ballistic missile of the Pukkykson-3 submarine: the missile was launched from an underwater position from a submerged submarine near Wonsan in the Sea of ​​Japan. The first launch took place at a range of 450 kilometers and with a maximum flight altitude at the top point of 910 kilometers. The North Koreans announced the launch successful.

“Through the test launch, the most important tactical technical indicators of the newly designed ballistic missile were scientifically and technically confirmed, and the test launch did not have any negative effects on the security of the surrounding countries,”
- said in a statement TsTAK.



Apparently, a Sinpo type submarine was used to test the rocket, while the modernized Romeo missile carrier should become the regular carrier of the Pukkykson-3. According to experts, the rocket is solid-fuel and two-stage, and its range in theory could be about 4000 kilometers. But this is in theory.

In any case, the DPRK’s progress is evident both in the creation of strategic submarines and in the development of SLBMs: it is enough to simply compare the appearance of the archaic “Puccukson-1” and the appearance of the “Puccukson-3”, which already looks like a “real” ballistic missile for submarines. However, exaggerating the achievements of the regime, of course, is not worth it. Moreover, it can be said with almost complete certainty that North Korea will never catch up with either Russia or the PRC in this direction. There is no need to even talk about the United States.
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  1. +37
    21 October 2019 18: 08
    A small overpopulated country, under all sorts of sanctions, practically in a blockade, makes the "hegemon" retreat "with his tail between his legs". Well done!
    1. +20
      21 October 2019 18: 30
      Quote: lexus
      A small overpopulated country, under all sorts of sanctions, practically in a blockade, makes the "hegemon" retreat "with his tail between his legs". Well done!

      This "small country" has the second largest submarine fleet in the world! fellow 72 submarines from the Americans, 71 from the North Koreans! Yes, this is natural in the nominal value, but there are questions about the displacement and age of the submarines, but still impressive! How such expenses can be dragged by a small state, it is incomprehensible to the mind! When you listen to liberals about the "militarization of the Russian economy" crying I just want to send him to serve on the North Korean submarine, at least for a year, so that I feel militarism in my own skin! negative
      1. +3
        21 October 2019 20: 22
        Rather, defense ...
      2. +6
        21 October 2019 21: 44
        Quote: Proxima
        How such expenses can be pulled by a small state is not intelligible to the mind!

        For us, over 2 KB of helicopters is already too heavy ours - one was given under Serdyukov’s ax
        1. 0
          22 October 2019 12: 52
          Quote: Geo⁣
          For us, over 2 KB of helicopters is already too heavy ours - one was given under Serdyukov’s ax

          Nobody gave anything under the ax.
      3. +5
        21 October 2019 23: 22
        Wow, how good it is and the army is at the forefront, maybe we should introduce the Juche?
      4. +2
        22 October 2019 00: 42
        It's like in chess we sacrifice quality in order to gain pace.
  2. +5
    21 October 2019 18: 29
    Interestingly, at the North Korean submarine fleet bases, boats of interested states are on duty? If not, then they will start soon ... Pukkykson, understand, force ...
    1. +10
      21 October 2019 18: 32
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Interestingly, at the North Korean submarine fleet bases, boats of interested states are on duty?

      I don’t know how their bases are, although most likely, but the fact that North Korean boats were caught at the bases and in the bases themselves from South Korea, yes
      And in the USSR, at one time there was such a project of a rocket diesel submarine

      1. +3
        21 October 2019 23: 55
        Quote: svp67
        And in the USSR, at one time there was such a project of a rocket diesel submarine

        I also drew attention to the external similarity of submarines, but in the USSR large boats of Project 641 were used for post-building or re-equipment, Project 633 is medium-sized boats.
        1. +3
          22 October 2019 03: 53
          Quote: Amurets
          but in the USSR, large boats of project 641 were used for post-construction or re-equipment, project 633 is medium boats.

          So the rocketry, during this time did not stand still and the dimensions of the missiles decreased. You noticed what a "belly" our submarine has.
          1. +1
            22 October 2019 04: 40
            Quote: svp67
            You noticed what a "belly" our submarine has.

            Of course. This is due to the design of missiles. On our missile carriers there were rockets with LRE, Korean on solid fuel. It just takes me into doubt that the Koreans have mastered the production of highly efficient mixed solid fuels.
            1. +8
              22 October 2019 08: 27
              Quote: Amurets
              It just takes me into doubt that the Koreans have mastered the production of highly efficient mixed solid fuels.

              Do not admit that they enjoy both "the support of the audience" and "the help of a friend"
              1. +3
                22 October 2019 08: 49
                Quote: svp67
                Do not admit that they enjoy both "the support of the audience" and "the help of a friend"

                I completely admit. The PRC and the DPRK have long, close ties.
                1. +5
                  22 October 2019 09: 00
                  Quote: Amurets
                  The PRC and the DPRK have long, close ties.

                  And how did the YuzhMashev engines get to them? Secret?
                  1. +1
                    22 October 2019 10: 46
                    Quote: svp67
                    Quote: Amurets
                    The PRC and the DPRK have long, close ties.

                    And how did the YuzhMashev engines get to them? Secret?
                    No, it's not a secret, but the engines did not get to the Koreans that are on the Pukkykson-3 rocket. << Apparently, a Sinpo-type submarine was used to test the missile, while the modernized rocket carrier Romeo should become the standard carrier of Pukkykson-3. According to experts, the rocket is solid-propellant and two-stage, and its range, in theory, could be about 4000 kilometers. But this is in theory >>. Pay attention, rockets on submarines are solid fuel. And what kind of missiles and engines were transferred from Yuzhmash. The circle of countries that could supply missile technologies to North Korea is quite narrow, - notes the Donetsk political scientist, historian, publicist, permanent expert of the Izborsk club Alexander Dmitrievsky.
                    - This is confirmed by the tactical and technical characteristics of North Korean missiles, namely, the fuel components with which they are refueled. The fact is that the largest and most successful experience in operating rockets using diazot tetraoxide as an oxidizing agent, also known under the code name “amyl” or “melange”, and as a fuel, asymmetric dimethylhydrazine, also known as heptyl, had only two countries - the USSR and China. Despite all its shortcomings in the form of high toxicity of the fuel and chemical aggressiveness of the oxidizing agent, this fuel allowed them to create powerful intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of being in an equipped state on combat duty for years. https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5aaa431fa936f4887f81e36c/iujmashevskii-sled-na-koreiskom-poluostrove-5aacdc05dcaf8e2ed5e1571d
                    1. +3
                      22 October 2019 11: 13
                      Quote: Amurets
                      rockets on submarines are solid-fuel. And what missiles and engines were transferred from Yuzhmash


                      Here is a solid-fuel engine produced by YuzhMash, the fuel is made nearby at the Pavlogradskiy Khimzavod
      2. +4
        22 October 2019 05: 30
        Quote: svp67
        And in the USSR, at one time there was such a project of a rocket diesel submarine

        This is the 629th project. At one time there were quite a lot of them. Based on the Northern Fleet, KTOF, in the Baltic in Liepaja. Practically all submarine missile systems were tested on these boats, except for the Bulava. And the notorious K-129, which was raised by the Americans, is also of this project.
    2. +5
      21 October 2019 20: 24
      So great! They will remove custody from ours and Chinese. Long life to Chairman Kim!
  3. +5
    21 October 2019 18: 39
    "If you want peace, prepare for war."
  4. +1
    21 October 2019 18: 43
    It seems to me that the North Korean army does not experience a lack of recruits .. Stable feeding-clothes and all that. Especially as much as 12 years.
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      1. +9
        21 October 2019 20: 04
        [quote = 100502] Look at their military, they are hungry beggars, there people just try to survive, their geek playing God needs to be tortured on the rack. [/ quot
        That is, hunchback on loans - is it cooler?
        1. -5
          21 October 2019 20: 31
          Well, if on the other end you have to walk in a robe in a line for a bowl of rice a day - then yes, for loans it is cooler.
          1. +11
            21 October 2019 20: 38
            Quote: Mestny
            Well, if on the other end you have to walk in a robe in a line for a bowl of rice a day - then yes, for loans it is cooler.

            What's the difference? In a robe or in a white collar - all one walk in formation for a bowl of rice. Is the appearance of freedom beckoning? So this is just an appearance.
            1. -13
              21 October 2019 20: 54
              In this case, these are different "rice bowls". Different sizes and contents.
              In the Korean case, this must be understood literally.
              Socialism in its purest form, strictly according to the precepts of the classics - it turns out to be like this.
              In China, with its capitalism wrapped in a communist shell - a little differently.
            2. -4
              21 October 2019 20: 56
              A loan can be given, and a cup of rice and a job build it for life.
      2. +3
        21 October 2019 20: 27
        Enlighten them, otherwise they do not know. By the way, which army is fighting better: hungry or well-fed?
      3. +22
        21 October 2019 22: 06
        Listen up. Have you been to North Korea? There are a lot of people who read news on the Internet dumps, imagining themselves to be experts. The people live and even the country's population is growing, this is an indicator of living standards. Look at the "democracies" they are degenerating. In DPRK there is an ideology, it rallies the people, and any liberals for a jar of jam and a packet of cookies are ready to sell to mom. So the citizen smacks of you a bit of an independent.
        1. +3
          22 October 2019 03: 21
        2. +2
          22 October 2019 03: 27
          Normal country))
  5. +16
    21 October 2019 18: 57
    “The footage shown on the CCAC shows only the lower hull of the submarine, near the stern and near the bow. This is enough to say with confidence that we have before us a modified Romeo class submarine. ”
    For some reason, everyone forgets that in the 90s, North Korea, under the guise of scrap metal, also received Project 629 submarines - Soviet diesel-electric submarines with ballistic missiles, built in the 1950s and 1960s. Boats were originally designed to be equipped with ballistic missiles. Each submarine carried three missiles of the R-13 type, with the upper parts of the mines located in the fencing.
    With the secrecy that North Korea has achieved, I won’t be surprised if they preserved and reanimated these boats.
  6. +21
    21 October 2019 19: 40
    *. However, exaggerating the achievements of the regime, of course, is not worth it. Moreover, it can be said with almost complete certainty that North Korea will never catch up with either Russia or the PRC in this direction. There’s no need to even talk about the USA. *
    It must be assumed that the comrades from North Korea do not set themselves the goal of catching and surpassing someone. This is IMHO - insanity.
    People do what they can do. And almost in complete isolation. For this, they are my personal honor and respect.
  7. +7
    21 October 2019 22: 44
    Quote: Proxima
    Quote: lexus
    A small overpopulated country, under all sorts of sanctions, practically in a blockade, makes the "hegemon" retreat "with his tail between his legs". Well done!

    This "small country" has the second largest submarine fleet in the world! fellow 72 submarines from the Americans, 71 from the North Koreans! Yes, this is natural in the nominal value, but there are questions about the displacement and age of the submarines, but still impressive! How such expenses can be dragged by a small state, it is incomprehensible to the mind! When you listen to liberals about the "militarization of the Russian economy" crying I just want to send him to serve on the North Korean submarine, at least for a year, so that I feel militarism in my own skin! negative

    they can pull, they can build a fleet, even as they can, but they do! because there * for * cutting * the budget can * saw * the saw, and in the literal sense of the word. not that we have where one * skin * covers the other * skin * and that in turn is the third and so on. and you will not find ends
  8. +1
    22 October 2019 03: 55
    How People Live (2019)

    Guys, this is stupid totalitarianism. And Russia does not want to help these people in any way, notice to people, not to the DPRK state
    1. +5
      22 October 2019 04: 13
      Quote: Vitas
      And Russia does not want to help these people in any way, notice to people, not to the DPRK state

      And how can Russia do this, in your opinion?
      1. 0
        24 October 2019 07: 13
        Political and economic methods. Especially since we are bordering, and borders must be stable and predictable!
        1. 0
          28 October 2019 14: 58
          Quote: Vitas
          Political and economic methods.

          At the expense of political methods. You, for the sake of interest, look how many restrictive measures have been taken against the DPRK by the UN, without "ALLOWING" from Russia, this cannot be done, besides, in the DPRK from Russia, and political delegations go to the back, that is, political, various methods are used. Economic - within the framework of UN decisions, plus its own restrictions, in particular against Korean poachers, especially recently, after the incident when our sea border guards were injured
  9. +1
    22 October 2019 09: 33
    maximum flight altitude at the top point of 910 kilometers.
    Something a bit too much. Maybe 91 kilometer apogee?
    At 8K14, when firing at a range of 300 km, the apogee of the trajectory was at an altitude of 86 km. And then 450 km range.
  10. +2
    22 October 2019 11: 40
    Quote: svp67
    make fuel

    Did before the 1992 year.
  11. +1
    22 October 2019 12: 23
    Give these laborers all the rusty scrap metal - they will be like manna from heaven ...
  12. -1
    22 October 2019 14: 50
    The first launch took place at a range of 450 kilometers and with a maximum flight altitude of 910 kilometers at the highest point.

    This is above the ISS. This is definitely not propaganda?
  13. +1
    22 October 2019 14: 56
    Quote: Proxima
    Quote: lexus
    A small overpopulated country, under all sorts of sanctions, practically in a blockade, makes the "hegemon" retreat "with his tail between his legs". Well done!

    This "small country" has the second largest submarine fleet in the world! fellow 72 submarines from the Americans, 71 from the North Koreans! Yes, this is natural in the nominal value, but there are questions about the displacement and age of the submarines, but still impressive! How such expenses can be dragged by a small state, it is incomprehensible to the mind! When you listen to liberals about the "militarization of the Russian economy" crying I just want to send him to serve on the North Korean submarine, at least for a year, so that I feel militarism in my own skin! negative

    Quantity does not mean that it translates into quality. You can build another 20-30 minisubmarines like YUGO or YONO and become the first in the number of boats. And you should not believe what the media write and that this country was forced to "buy the hegemon with his tail between his legs." Trump has elections ahead and does not want to lose them. What will happen after the elections? His hands will be untied and only then can one say that "the hegemon has his tail between his legs" or "did not purse his arms."

    Quote: KVU-NSVD
    Interestingly, at the North Korean submarine fleet bases, boats of interested states are on duty? If not, then they will start soon ... Pukkykson, understand, force ...

    I don't think these bases are unattended. In what form the "close-up" is carried out may not be entirely clear, but IMHO is under control ...
    And "Pukgugson" is still only a product for testing. It carries no combat potential

    Quote: Alex_59
    maximum flight altitude at the top point of 910 kilometers.
    Something a bit too much. Maybe 91 kilometer apogee?
    At 8K14, when firing at a range of 300 km, the apogee of the trajectory was at an altitude of 86 km. And then 450 km range.

    No, Alexey, not too much. Due to the lack of spacecraft measuring complex that could track the flight and points of "landing" blocks, the DPRK is forced to carry out tests on the so-called. altitude trajectory. That is, if in others, when working out the programmed-pitching turn, the rocket begins to fly to the target at an angle (for example) of 45-60 °, then when launching North Korean missiles, a high-altitude trajectory is used, when the flight continues at an angle of 85-88 °. The apogee is very large, but the range is measured in hundreds of kilometers. With such a launch trajectory, it is possible, purely theoretically, to confirm the range when flying along the classical trajectory (the range in this case will be about 2-3 apogee heights). In particular, the Hwasong-15 ICBM had the following parameters. Range -990 km, apogee - 4475 km (four thousand seventy-five kilometers). So 910 km is quite within the limits of the permissible
  14. -3
    22 October 2019 16: 56
    Quote: Vitas
    How People Live (2019)

    Guys, this is stupid totalitarianism. And Russia does not want to help these people in any way, notice to people, not to the DPRK state

    Russia has already "helped" Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia. Seeing this help, the Koreans decided to help themselves.
  15. -1
    22 October 2019 17: 01
    As is well known:
    1. The DPRK submarine drowned modern South Korean anti-submarine ship - the only one after World War II.
    2. The DPRK offers an air-independent submarine system on the market.
  16. +1
    22 October 2019 18: 40
    Quote: Kostadinov
    As is well known:
    1. The DPRK submarine drowned modern South Korean anti-submarine ship - the only one after World War II.
    2. The DPRK offers an air-independent submarine system on the market.

    Well, if you think that the Cheonan corvette is the only ship sunk by a submarine after World War II, then you need to "learn some materiel"
  17. 0
    22 October 2019 22: 05
    Quote: svp67
    "Pavlograd Chemical Plant"

    In 88 there was a big explosion there.
    One fighter from the guard disappeared.
    Found it.
    It turned out to be crushed by the concrete fence section.
  18. -2
    22 October 2019 22: 11
    Quote: Kostadinov
    Russia has already "helped" Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia. Seeing this help, Koreans decided to help themselves

    Here is the truth for you adherents of bulk-dog cons and threw.
    But still the statement is quite controversial.
    In the most difficult years, Russia did not stop helping fraternal North Korea.
    Either the alcoholic Yeltsin was not aware of this symbolic, but help, or he decided at least in some stealth to spoil the American curators.
    But sowing. Koreans appreciate this participation of Russia.
    1. 0
      23 October 2019 10: 07
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      Quote: Kostadinov
      Russia has already "helped" Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia. Seeing this help, Koreans decided to help themselves

      Here is the truth for you adherents of bulk-dog cons and threw.
      But still the statement is quite controversial.
      In the most difficult years, Russia did not stop helping fraternal North Korea.
      Either the alcoholic Yeltsin was not aware of this symbolic, but help, or he decided at least in some stealth to spoil the American curators.
      But sowing. Koreans appreciate this participation of Russia.

      I want to believe that this is so and I hope so.
  19. 0
    23 October 2019 10: 04
    Quote: Old26
    Quote: Kostadinov
    As is well known:
    1. The DPRK submarine drowned modern South Korean anti-submarine ship - the only one after World War II.
    2. The DPRK offers an air-independent submarine system on the market.

    Well, if you think that the Cheonan corvette is the only ship sunk by a submarine after World War II, then you need to "learn some materiel"

    He meant the anti-submarine ship. The lone veteran cruiser Belgrano doesn’t. Bill was drowned and the Indian frigate back in 1971.
    You are right - I specify in the 21st century.
  20. 0
    23 October 2019 14: 58
    Quote: Kostadinov
    Quote: Old26
    Quote: Kostadinov
    As is well known:
    1. The DPRK submarine drowned modern South Korean anti-submarine ship - the only one after World War II.
    2. The DPRK offers an air-independent submarine system on the market.

    Well, if you think that the Cheonan corvette is the only ship sunk by a submarine after World War II, then you need to "learn some materiel"

    He meant the anti-submarine ship. The lone veteran cruiser Belgrano doesn’t. Bill was drowned and the Indian frigate back in 1971.
    You are right - I specify in the 21st century.

    More precisely, in the second half of the 20th century, there were three sinkings, and the fourth in the 21st century. By the way, experts are still arguing about whether the corvette was sunk by a torpedo from a North Korean submarine or ran into mines, which in the 70s generously "crumbled" in that region to protect against aggression from neighbors
  21. 0
    23 October 2019 15: 58
    Quote: Old26

    More precisely, in the second half of the 20th century, there were three sinkings, and the fourth in the 21st century. By the way, experts are still arguing about whether the corvette was sunk by a torpedo from a North Korean submarine or ran into mines, which in the 70s generously "crumbled" in that region to protect against aggression from neighbors

    In South Korea and its allies do not argue. They conducted an investigation and unequivocally pointed to sowing. Korean submarine. I don’t see what interest they have in vain blaming the North Koreans if after that no answer came.
    Only North Koreans deny the participation of their submarines that they should expect.
    The mines were beating there, but they were deactivated for a long time and 40 years have passed.

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