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Israel claimed Turkish invasion to strike Syria

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Israel took advantage of the Turkish offensive against the Kurdish armed forces and the chaos in the north of the SAR in order to launch air strikes in another part of Syria. This was reported by journalist Babak Taghvaee, who posted information on his Twitter account.




The journalist claims the blow, which, according to his information, was inflicted by Israel at bases in eastern Syria - in the region of the city of Abu Kemal. Israeli aviation and previously attacked the surroundings of this city, against which the Israeli media stated that the targets were Iranian and pro-Iranian forces.

Israel repeatedly struck at Syrian territory, claiming that the chosen targets are related to the activities of the Iranian IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps). The Israeli authorities, meanwhile, said they would not tolerate an increase in Iran’s presence on Syrian territory, and also warned that they would continue to bomb Iranian targets.



At the moment, there is an agreement between Russia and Israel, under which Israel warns the Russian contingent in the country about the actions of its air forces in the sky of Syria. One of the Israeli air strikes became an indirect cause of the death of Russian troops on board the Il-20.

There is no official confirmation of a strike on the Abu Kemal area by the Israeli Air Force. However, it should be noted that in the Israeli military, most often, striking Syria is left without comment.
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  1. Lexus
    Lexus 16 October 2019 14: 15
    -1
    These will not disappear anywhere.
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. 100502
      100502 16 October 2019 14: 29
      +8
      They can disappear only for a while, then again crawl out of all the cracks in the world.
    3. Maz
      Maz 16 October 2019 15: 06
      -1
      Progress, they are afraid to climb to Damascus, they beat the near frontier. It was not for nothing that their migrants and hmeim scared. Looks like it helped.
      1. Agronom
        Agronom 16 October 2019 17: 09
        -1
        Quote: Maz
        Progress, afraid to climb Damascus, beat near border

        They’re afraid, but they can stick a knife in the back of the peace process in the BV at any time .. Such is Israel’s nature! They are terribly shaking, at the mere thought, if we agree on Russia-Iran-Turkey-Syria and join forces on a peace treaty in the Middle East .. But we will agree and that’s all. We expect bloody provocations, as usual ..
      2. Dmitry Vinner
        Dmitry Vinner 16 October 2019 20: 40
        +2
        Do you even read the author. It is clearly written there that the blow was inflicted in the east of Syria. In the Iraqi border area. This is in the opposite direction from Damascus.
        = It’s not for nothing that their migrants and hmeim scared. = That's right. The whole world sees the view of Iranian bases after the bombing. As the shells hit, the same. This is how their migrants and hmeim scare saw only you and the Russian Defense Ministry. Would they show us something ....
      3. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 16 October 2019 21: 01
        0
        Quote: Maz
        Progress, they are afraid to climb to Damascus, they beat the near frontier. It was not for nothing that their migrants and hmeim scared. Looks like it helped.

        Military man, do you know how to read a map? laughing
        1. Dmitry Vinner
          Dmitry Vinner 16 October 2019 21: 23
          0
          What for. The main thing is to say the right words. Relevant to the current moment.
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 16 October 2019 14: 17
    -4
    Isn't one Israel’s command post right? They walk along the blade of a knife ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 16 October 2019 14: 34
      -4
      Quote: Thrifty
      Isn't one Israel’s command post right? They walk along the blade of a knife ...

      Yes you? Tell me what they want barefoot ... And the Turks on tomatoes in sandals ... This is our political diction ... And we also need to stand on the hood when playing eastern music with fragments of the Russian anthem ...
      They flew, fly and will fly while this ... lobby is sitting in the Kremlin. And more than once they will knock down (bomb) anyone who needs to and will not express concerns ...
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 16 October 2019 17: 34
        -2
        2017 - 25 attacks on Syria. 2018 - 29 shots. 2019 - 3 hits.
        Still preoccupied. Moreover, Russian ships took control of ship's air defense coast of Lebanon.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 16 October 2019 19: 55
          +3
          Quote: Oo sarcasm
          . 2019 - 3 hits.

          I hope that you will calculate yourself
          On such a solid SITE, DO NOT DECEPTLY FOLLOW!
          2019 year
          12 in January.
          Syrian media report an attack on objects in the vicinity of Damascus and in Kisoua.   
           20 January.
          Damascus and Moscow say Israeli air forces attack targets near airport near Damascus
          21 January
          The Israel Defense Forces launched missile strikes against Iranian and Syrian military forces near Damascus. one of the strikes hit the Russian Pantsir air defense system. 
           11 February.
          Syrian state-run media say IDF tanks fired on targets in Kuneitra province. 
           March 27.
          Syrian state media reported attacks on the military airfield and Sheikh Najar industrial area near Aleppo.
          13 April. Syrian state-run media reported attacks on the site near the city of Masyaf west of Hama.
          17 May.
          Syrian state media reported several rockets fired from Israel from Kuneitra. 
          18 May.
          Syrian media and SOHR report another IDF strike on targets south of Damascus.
            27 May.
          In response to the shelling of an IDF aircraft in Israeli airspace, an air defense installation was attacked in the Kuneitra region
          2 June
          ... In response to the shelling of Israeli territory, the IDF struck military targets in Syria.
          3 June
          ... Damascus claims the IDF struck targets at the T4 military airfield, east of Homs. 
            12 of June.
           The Syrian state agency SANA reported that the IDF launched a missile strike on a target in the area of ​​the settlement of Tel al-Hara (Daraa province).
          1 of July. 
          According to a statement by the Syrian Ministry of Defense, IDF airplanes and Israeli Navy ships launched rocket attacks on targets in the vicinity of Damascus, as well as in Homs.
             24 of July.
           The Syrian state agency SANA reported that the IDF hit a target in the province of Daraa in the south of the country.
          1 August.
          The SANA agency reported an IDF missile strike on a target west of Kuneitra.
            15 August. 
          Syria announced the reflection of a missile strike on a target in the region of Masyaf.
          24 of August
          . IDF air forces attacked targets in Akraba village, 
           9 September.
           An airstrike was struck against Iranian and pro-Iranian forces in the Al-Bukamal region, in eastern Syria, near the border with Iraq. Israel did not take responsibility.
          If I missed something, you can add, I will not be offended.

            
      2. kiril1246
        kiril1246 16 October 2019 19: 46
        +2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        They flew, fly and will fly while this is sitting in the Kremlin ... lobby

        And who voted for this lobby? Israelis?
      3. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 16 October 2019 21: 58
        -2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        we have such a political diction ..

        Why is there a flood, and even a veiled one - if you need a speech therapist, then this is not here, but on specialized resources. There are other specialists present. yes
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 16 October 2019 14: 23
    +8
    In general, was there a blow to the Abu Kemal region? Was there a boy?
    1. Edik
      Edik 16 October 2019 16: 41
      -1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      In general, was there a blow to the Abu Kemal region? Was there a boy?

      Are you really? belay Babak Taghway not when he does not lie drinks
  4. Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 16 October 2019 14: 26
    +3
    Shoot down a couple, maybe they will calm down ... Jews have not too big air force and there are no own aircraft production ...
    1. mvg
      mvg 16 October 2019 15: 08
      -8
      The Jewish Air Force is one of the most powerful in the world. The elite in the country. At one time, even tapping on the cap of the USSR Air Force, not to mention the fact that the Araps have been knocking regularly since 1948. And the industry repairs the aircraft themselves. The only foreign operator Fu-35, who has access to the software, and draws it himself. millions of lines.
      And one of the few countries that really has combat experience in overcoming multi-level air defense. Russia does not have this.
      And, if anything, Khmeimim and Tartus instantly erase .. 2000 tanks, far from the worst in the world. Certainly not a couple of T-72Б3. There are also ICBMs and nuclear weapons.
      1. basmach
        basmach 16 October 2019 15: 19
        +4
        Wow, how scary. But ... When in Egypt, our calculations began to bring them down, all the heroism vanished. And they began to refuse to fly. You don’t need to scare the hedgehog. They are warriors until they get it on the neck. Then the fervor disappears immediately
        1. mvg
          mvg 16 October 2019 16: 29
          -1
          And they began to refuse to fly

          Very funny. We rolled out Egyptian air defense, took out the latest C-125, which was the latest at that time, by helicopter. Yes, they initially suffered losses, but they defeated a many times larger army.
          They are warriors until they get it on the neck.

          I hesitate to ask, and often did they receive? 6 wars, everyone won. Who can boast such a track record? Not a single country. Moreover, all the while being surrounded by enemies.
          1. sivuch
            sivuch 16 October 2019 17: 34
            +1
            Learn the materiel. They took out a P-12 radar, not the latest, but quite modern at that time, by helicopter. How do you imagine the export of the entire S-125 complex - I can’t even imagine. In addition, someone from the special forces (either Sayeret Matkal, or Shayetet-13) visited the P-35 radar - they could have taken it, the rest was photographed and detonated.
            And as for the war of 73, it was a victory, but the mood after it was - something like Fuu, well, sort of got out. And 2008 is not a victory at all. Another thing is that conclusions from all failures, even relative ones, are made immediately.
            1. mvg
              mvg 16 October 2019 17: 49
              0
              How do you imagine the export of the entire C-125 complex - I can’t even imagine

              I got excited here, I agree. But, this is the most important part of the complex. And after that, I did not hear any success from C-125. But what is the operation? Land, pick up, blow up. It turned out beautifully.
              PS: 73 year, yes, it was hard for them, but they got out. Moreover, both Syria and Egypt were punished. As far as I remember, two Israeli tank brigades stopped a couple of tens of kilometers from Damascus.
          2. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 16 October 2019 17: 36
            +2
            Quote: mvg
            Very funny. They rolled out Egyptian air defense, took out the latest C-125 at that time by helicopter.

            What would you know: S-125 is the name of the anti-aircraft missile system. And the Israelis took the P-12 radar station by helicopter. What can I say: well, such Egyptians were warriors.
            1. mvg
              mvg 16 October 2019 18: 23
              +2
              What would you know: C-125

              I am a little familiar with air defense. And I know how many carts are in the air defense system. I'm playing starcraft. Well, I read the Internet. How can I give the station, and even with the documentation .. Three helicopters landed, despite the TTX P-12, then 2 was taken out. Packed for several hours. With autogenous and adventure.
              The Egyptians studied in the USSR. The most combat-ready Arab country at that time, and even now.
              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 16 October 2019 18: 50
                +3
                Quote: mvg
                I am a little familiar with air defense. And I know how many carts are in the air defense system.

                Well, how many, as you put it, "carts" in the S-125 air defense system?
                Quote: mvg
                Three helicopters landed, despite the TTX P-12,

                P-12, if my memory serves me, worked in the meter range and it was trailed, unlike the decimeter P-15 (on which I served). P-15 was located in the kung ZIL. Most likely, it was because of the inability to raise it that the P-12 fell. Although the P-15 was precisely the station that detected and transmitted the coordinates of low-flying targets.
                Quote: mvg
                The Egyptians studied in the USSR. The most capable Arab country at that time

                They were trained to train, but, as our captain, who took part in that war, said: during air raids, they shouted "wi-wi phantom!" ran for cover, and ours had to fight back alone.
        2. Binder
          Binder 16 October 2019 16: 51
          -3
          When did the Israelites receive a neck and from whom? About refusals to fly, I do not ask - this is a 100% lie. am
          1. GRF
            GRF 16 October 2019 18: 33
            -3
            Quote: Bindyuzhnik
            When did the Israelites receive a neck and from whom? About refusals to fly, I do not ask - this is a 100% lie. am

            it was written in the Bible that there was already Israel, then of course they didn’t receive anyone from the neck, but Israel disappeared somewhere for a long time, then they allowed him to appear and the story will repeat, because the Israelis did not understand how to behave with their neighbors .. .
            and not to mention how many plans they had to bomb Iran, but how many are still pouring ... but about the refusals to fly, what are you, they are favorites!
      2. Yura
        Yura 16 October 2019 15: 28
        +8
        Quote: mvg
        The Jewish Air Force is one of the most powerful in the world. The elite in the country. At one time, even tapping on the cap of the USSR Air Force, not to mention the fact that the Araps have been knocking regularly since 1948. And the industry repairs the aircraft themselves. The only foreign operator Fu-35, who has access to the software, and draws it himself. millions of lines.
        And one of the few countries that really has combat experience in overcoming multi-level air defense. Russia does not have this.
        And, if anything, Khmeimim and Tartus instantly erase .. 2000 tanks, far from the worst in the world. Certainly not a couple of T-72Б3. There are also ICBMs and nuclear weapons.

        As for your last paragraph, after that, Israel existed less than you took the time to write this fervently enthusiastic comment.
        1. mvg
          mvg 16 October 2019 16: 37
          +5
          sobbing enthusiastic commentary.

          At one time, Israel destroyed the reconnaissance ship of the U.S. Navy, as well as 4 from 5 aircraft of the USSR Air Force. After which ours did not participate in the war. At least in the air.
          So they have coca.
          And I did not hear something about the military successes of C-300 / 400. So far, only at shooting practice. And, despite the thousands of missiles fired from all that is possible, there is one downed F-16. Which he went home.
          There are hundreds of destroyed objects in Syria, including objects in the Damascus region and the international airport. And myths about hundreds of downed Tomogavks.
          1. Yura
            Yura 16 October 2019 17: 04
            -3
            Want to try? Try, after which the snot is the only thing that can remain of you.
          2. Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 16 October 2019 17: 08
            +5
            The episode with the Soviet planes shot down by the Israelis, which you mention, happened only once, with multiple numerical superiority of the Israeli Air Force, and even that ... That group of Soviet MiG-21s lost 5 of their cars, knocking down 1 Jewish Mirage, 1 Skyhawk, 1 Phantom ... So it wasn’t dry, and the MiG-21 at that time was no longer the most modern aircraft of the USSR Air Force ... F-15 fights with the MiG-25 ended in a draw 2–2, and Israel lost from the fire of Soviet air defense more than 100 cars ... they called it Black Tuesday, or something like that ...
            1. mvg
              mvg 16 October 2019 17: 18
              +2
              That group of Soviet MiG-21, lost 5 of their cars, knocking down 1 Jewish Mirage, 1 Skyhawk, 1 Phantom

              Sorry, nonsense. Our in the air were 18 boards. Not a single downed Mirage is found in any source. Yes, by the way, the MiG-21 were modern at that time, and the pilots were not boys. From the captain and above. Asa.
              F-15 fights with MiG-25 ended in a draw 2 - 2

              There is not a single fact of the downed F-15, except for the araps. Not one of the smallest piece of the fuselage. Unlike the MiG-25, on which there is even a video. Yes, and a full description of the battle and the fact of recognition.
              MiG-25 melee so-so. In the sense of a complete zero.
              Soviet air defense Israel lost more 100 vehicles.

              But in 1982, the Jews revealed the most intense air defense, with almost no loss. By the way, with Soviet specialists.
              1. Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 16 October 2019 17: 25
                +3
                There was no one higher than the captain ... At the time of the battle, the MiG-23 and MiG-25 were already in service with the USSR Air Force ... MiG-21 continued to be stamped only because the cost of one MiG-21 in production was at the level of one Volga car. ..The fact that you didn’t find something, that the Jews don’t recognize, or that something isn’t in open sources, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist in reality ... The videos of the downed MiG-25 that you write about belong to the 90s , in Iraq, with the multiple numerical advantage of NATO, and even there the Arabs claim a number of victories ... Photos of the F-16 and F-15 in the MiG sight are also on the Internet, and Volt see if anything ... Yeah, opened and lost 50% of its air force ... the lion's share of the export control system under the Arab air defense
                1. mvg
                  mvg 16 October 2019 17: 36
                  -1
                  The videos of the downed MiG-25 that you write about belong to the 90 years, in Iraq, with a multiple numerical advantage of NATO, and even there, the Arabs claim a number of victories ... Photos of the F-16 and F-15 in the sight of the MiGs are also in Internet, if you please, kindly ... Yeah, they opened and lost 50% of their Air Force ...

                  Sorry again, you are not familiar with the topic. Lebanon opened in a few days, the loss of several aircraft. Air defense was done for several months.
                  PS: MiG-21 is a good fighter. But then the Jews outplayed ours. At that time, 21 was superior to 23 and 25. Otherwise, ours would fly to 23. And the MiG-23, as a fighter, began with a modification of the MLD.
                  Have you seen 23 in the Indian or Chinese Air Force? The most emergency plane.
                  1. Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 16 October 2019 20: 19
                    0
                    The MiG-21 was quickly outdated, and the MiG-23 wasn’t sent to the Arabs because they had already leaked Israel the T-62 tank, the latest at that time ... Therefore, the United States today is afraid to send F-35s to Ukraine, preparing to send the F-15 which are being prepared for cancellation from the US Air Force ... MLD is the nightingale song of the MiG-23, it has avionics from the MiG-29 ... the MiG-23 is an expensive plane, primarily expensive, and the accident MiG-27, which Indians have been flying for a long time , not lower than 23 (in the Indian Air Force 124 MiG-27 for 2016)
                2. Professor
                  Professor 16 October 2019 19: 05
                  -1
                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  There was no one above the captain ... At the time of the battle, the USSR Air Force was already armed with the MiG-23 and MiG-25 ... The MiG-21 continued to be stamped only because the cost of one MiG-21 in production was at the level of one Volga car. ..

                  Mig-21 at the Volga car price level? I believe. lol

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  The fact that you didn’t find something, that the Jews don’t recognize, or that something is not available in open sources, does not mean that this is not in reality ...

                  3-th calsss, second quarter, chesslovo. We are discussing the facts here, not your fantasies.

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  The videos of the downed MiG-25 that you write about belong to the 90 years, in Iraq, with NATO's multiple numerical advantage, and there the Arabs claim a number of victories ...

                  I uploaded a video from the 1982 year filmed by the Arabs, CEP.

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  Photos of the F-16 and F-15 in the MiG sight are also on the Internet, please see if you like ..

                  I will draw 100 such photos in the "scope" per day. You show a photo of the wreckage of the F-15 and F-16. Well, at least one.

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  Yeah, they opened and lost 50% of their Air Force ... and the lion's share of the exported air defense systems under the control of the Arabs

                  Operation Medvedka -19. Educational program for you. By the way, the complexes were controlled by Soviet "advisers" who subsequently demanded to recognize them as "internatiolaist warriors." They wanted benefits.
                  1. Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 16 October 2019 20: 21
                    +2
                    Photos of the wreckage of the F-15 and F-16 are also on the Internet ... Have you painted ?! Ha ha ...
                  2. sivuch
                    sivuch 17 October 2019 12: 02
                    0
                    But about the Soviet advisers, please, in more detail. And then usually stories about Soviet advisers in each kung usually go for some reason without links.
                3. Vitaly gusin
                  Vitaly gusin 16 October 2019 21: 06
                  -1
                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  There was no one above the captain ..

                  Do you want to challenge him?
                  Colonel General Grigory Pavlovich Yashkin From 1980 to 1984, he was the chief military adviser to the Syrian armed forces - an adviser to the Minister of Defense of the SAR. :

                  “Soon other comrades began to arrive from the USSR.
                  Senior Advisor on Air Defense - Gen. Lieutenant of Artillery K.S. Babenko, former Deputy Commander of the Baku Air Defense District, a participant in the Second World War and the Vietnam War;
                  Air Force - General Lieutenant of Aviation V. Sokolov,
                  EW - Gen. Major - engineer Y. Ulchenko.
                  Following them are advisers to the anti-aircraft missile brigades Colonels V.V. Roslyakov, A.Yu. Pukhtinsky, I.N. Kovalev, Lieutenant Colonels N.V. Nesterenko, N.I. Makarov,
                  other comrades. Colonels I.P. Lavrentyev, A.S.Russkikh, E.I. Ionesyan, T.A. Dubasov, V.N. Verbot, Yu.M. Ilyichev and others arrived at the Central Directorates of the Air Defense and Air Force. All guidance stations of the Surn, Unk and Unz air defense missile systems were staffed with specialists. "

                  "A multi-hundred team of advisers and specialists quickly got involved.

                  “I consider it necessary to examine in more detail the Israeli military operations, tactics and equipment of their aviation on that victorious day for them, June 10, 1982. Do not be enthusiastic, namely to consider, and with pain in the soul. One could be delighted when a Syrian one suddenly appeared in place of the Israeli aviation. "
                  1. sivuch
                    sivuch 17 October 2019 12: 03
                    0
                    Actually, it was a fight in 1970. And just Yashkina can and should be disputed.
                    1. Vitaly gusin
                      Vitaly gusin 17 October 2019 17: 50
                      0
                      Quote: sivuch
                      Actually, it was a fight in 1970

                      We have a conversation between the DEAF and the BLIND.
                      1973 Doomsday War
                      1982 Lebanon war
                      1970 ??
                      Quote: sivuch
                      . And just Yashkina can and should be disputed.

                      Colonel General Grigory Pavlovich Yashkin from 1980 to 1984 was the chief military adviser in the Syrian armed forces - Advisor to the Minister of Defense of the SAR.
                      HELLO however
                      We are waiting for you!
                      1. sivuch
                        sivuch 17 October 2019 17: 59
                        +1
                        The famous air battle, which was discussed above, occurred precisely in 1970.
                        And what adviser was Mr. Yashkin after 1984 - were you not interested in?
                      2. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 17 October 2019 19: 29
                        -1
                        Quote: sivuch
                        the air battle, which was discussed above, occurred precisely in 1970.


                        "Air battles between Israeli and Russian pilots during Wars of Attrition (1969-1970) "
                        "During the 1,141 days of the War of Attrition, the Israeli Air Force shot down 113 Egyptian aircraft and another 25 were shot down by air defense missiles and anti-aircraft artillery. Hel Haavir lost 4 Mirage-3s in aerial combat (one on 15.07.67, two on 20.07.69 and one 11.09.69) and 13 aircraft were shot down by enemy air defense systems.

                        The battle with Russian anti-aircraft missile systems was extremely fierce and led to some losses from the Israeli aviation. In the American magazine Newsweek, June 1, 1970. An article was published with some details about the confrontation between the parties during the War of Attrition. In this article, in particular, it was reported that during the Israeli air raids on Egyptian positions only in 1969. 12 Russian military advisers were killed and 29 were wounded. And on July 5, 1970, during the Phantoms attack on the missile battery, a Soviet major general was killed. He was the highest-ranked military man among the Russians who had ever died abroad. The losses of the Egyptians were in the thousands. "
                        Quote: sivuch
                        And what adviser was Mr. Yashkin after 1984 - were you not interested in?

                        I did not quite understand.
                        The events of 1982 are described.
                        After 1984, he could be a janitor, but this does not in any way reflect on those events in 1982.
                        But if you are interested in who he was then please
                        At the age of 62, he was deputy head of the Civil Defense of the USSR — head of the department of training the national economy for civil defense. Participated in the aftermath of the Chernobyl disaster.
                      3. sivuch
                        sivuch 17 October 2019 20: 58
                        0
                        How, is it still not clear that it was a question of one specific aerial battle in which Soviet pilots participated?
                        Exactly, after 82, having waited a couple of years for decency, he was shoved into civil defense.
                        By the way, if you are quoting an article, then indicate its author. In this case, it’s Lenya the Militarist, he is also an Analyst, other names and passwords are possible
                      4. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 17 October 2019 21: 59
                        -1
                        Quote: sivuch
                        How, is it still not clear that it was a question of one specific aerial battle in which Soviet pilots participated?

                        I just UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING
                        And he gave the full layout for that time
                        There is enough information if you do not believe your right and if you want you can find
                        Quote: sivuch
                        Exactly, after 82, having waited a couple of years for decency, he was shoved into civil defense.

                        Especially sad that such (in your point of view) is APPOINTED TO SUCH POSITIONS.
                        But still get acquainted with his biography.
                      5. sivuch
                        sivuch 18 October 2019 11: 03
                        0
                        There is enough information if you do not believe your right and if you want you can find
                        -------------------------------------------------
                        That's it, that's why there is no need to drag creativity to Lenin here. There are much more serious sources. The same Oleg Granovsky deserves much more trust.
              2. sivuch
                sivuch 16 October 2019 17: 40
                +2
                but in 1982, the Jews revealed the most intense air defense, with almost no loss. By the way, with Soviet specialists.
                ------------------------------
                The most intense does not mean the most modern, and, in fact, the losses began after the defeat of Fedi, when the Israelis relaxed slightly. And about Soviet specialists in every kunga - nonsense. Such cases were, but isolated.
            2. sivuch
              sivuch 16 October 2019 17: 47
              +2
              Horses mixed up in a bunch, people. Yes, Israeli aviation competently organized a trap, organized a temporary numerical advantage (there were no 18 Soviet aircraft at a time), shot down 5 aircraft and shed before other MiGs arrived. It's a pity for the pilots, but the battle showed what to learn - then all sorts of 500th exercises appeared.
              Skyhawk was hit a week earlier. Israeli sources claim that it was still repaired. There were no downed phantoms and mirages in this battle
              1. Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 16 October 2019 20: 25
                -1
                The mirage was shot down just in that battle from which 5 21sts didn’t return .... Jews didn’t recognize the loss ... but it was ... The Soviet pilot who shot down a Jew died ... I won’t give his last name, captain ... The phantom was shot down a little earlier ... they didn’t fix the skyhook ... there was nothing to repair ...
        2. Shahno
          Shahno 16 October 2019 16: 37
          0
          Well, judging by the relations of Russia with Turkey, this can not be said ...
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 16 October 2019 17: 23
            0
            Do not suffer :: Russia will have to measure the cuffs for a long time :: and the Turks, Jews and Kurds - all deserve their earrings ...
      3. Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 16 October 2019 17: 02
        +1
        Well, the USSR Air Force didn’t succeed in tapping Israel on the cap, there they quickly lost more than a hundred of their planes ... And the battles between the newest MiG-25s and F-15s ended in a draw 2-2 ... Well, if anything , 1 nuclear warhead is enough ... As for the experience of the Jews, the Arabs are one of the worst soldiers in the world (this is not my personal opinion, but the opinion of the experts on the basis of which the ratings are made) ... Overcome the ancient air defense systems, and even export (simplified form), under the control of bad soldiers, it’s not a tricky thing ... An attempt to fight the Russian Federation will cost Israel to exist and I...
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 16 October 2019 17: 27
          0
          About the warhead you are in vain, Russia will not apply such horror to them - "after all there is a quarter of our former people!" (Vl. Sem.) laughing
          1. Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 16 October 2019 17: 30
            +2
            The population of the Russian Federation is 84% ​​Russian, 11% Tatars ... The fate of citizens of a patient with Israeli Russophobia in the event of a conflict with the Russian Federation will be decided unambiguously, and if the Kremlin does not, then he will substitute himself as the pseudo-holy Nikolai the discharge of Japan in 1905 and starting merge in 1914 ... As said in the famous film De, Brilli - Paris loves winners ... Moscow also loves winners ... Losers are not needed anywhere and nobody, especially in power ...
        2. Professor
          Professor 16 October 2019 19: 21
          -2
          Quote: Sapsan136
          Well, the USSR Air Force didn’t succeed in tapping the cap on Israel, where they quickly lost more than a hundred of their planes ..

          More 1000.

          Quote: Sapsan136
          And the battles between the latest MiG-25 and F-15 then ended in a draw 2 - 2 ...

          1000 to 1 in favor of the Arabs. So since then and howl "... 1000 and one night."

          Quote: Sapsan136
          .Well on Israel then, if anything, the 1 nuclear warhead is enough ...

          For any country "if that" one nuclear warhead is enough. In your opinion, nothing will happen if one is dropped on Moscow?

          Quote: Sapsan136
          As for the experience of the Jews, the Arabs are one of the worst soldiers in the world (this is not my personal opinion, but the opinion of experts, on the basis of which the ratings are made) ...

          Therefore, you in Syria defeat them all, conquer, conquer, conquer, conquer, conquer, conquer, conquer, conquer, conquer, conquer, conquer ...

          Quote: Sapsan136
          Overcoming ancient air defense systems, and even in export (simplified form), under the control of bad soldiers, is not a tricky thing ...

          I would not call the Soviet officers bad soldiers, and the Soviet systems ancient.

          Quote: Sapsan136
          An attempt to fight the Russian Federation will cost Israel its existence ...

          And why should Israel fight with the Russian Federation? fool
          1. Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 16 October 2019 20: 30
            +4
            If they drop it to Moscow, Russia will not die ... They throw it to Israel, Israel ceases to exist ... So you fought with the Arabs, and not with Soviet soldiers ... It was you who hijacked the latest T-62 from the Arabs, while these ... prayed to your Allah ... you didn’t even kill these wartime warriors, you left to pray because they have a place in the circus, and not in the army ... The whole world knows how you raked from Soviet anti-aircraft gunners, even in English editions they write ... So your Wishlist hid your wishlist by Wishlist and remained ... By the way, your last ground operations ended for you a lot of blood, the lack of results and burnt Merkava that supposedly the best in the world, just like burning today in Syria supposedly invincible Leopard 2
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 17 October 2019 04: 22
              -3
              Quote: Sapsan136
              By the way, your last ground operations ended for you with a lot of blood, lack of result and burnt Merkavas, which are supposedly the best in the World, just like the supposedly invincible Leopards-2 burning in Syria today

              For credibility, you can only add:

              You can remember about the Israeli invincible "Iron kaput dome "that destroys thousands of homemade rockets daily hourly. Admire the Israeli philanthropy, charity and sponsorship. But people live peacefully in the promised land, and these anti-Semites do not like them ...
              They made a habit of wishful thinking. And they won the USSR, and they keep the entire Middle East in tight-knit gloves, and they bomb Iranian objects in Syria ... Let them buy condensed milk from Tyazhina, set cans as targets, shoot them with small arms and then declare to the whole world that they won. Kuzbass "...
              It’s hard to find people more mean and dirty, raising their own abomination to the rank of merit.
            2. Professor
              Professor 17 October 2019 07: 49
              0
              Quote: Sapsan136
              If they drop it on Moscow, Russia will not die ... They drop it on Israel, Israel will cease to exist ...

              Will die. And not only Russia. the same story with Israel.

              Quote: Sapsan136
              So you fought with the Arabs, and not with Soviet soldiers ..

              Educational program. There were about 10 Soviet "advisers" in Egypt alone.

              Quote: Sapsan136
              It was you from the Arabs who stole the latest T-62 at that time, while these ... prayed to their Allah ...

              You confused this as the Chinese captured this tank from you. The "case" you are describing is the product of your fantasies.

              Quote: Sapsan136
              The whole world knows about how you raked from Soviet anti-aircraft gunners, even in the English editions they write ...

              You wrote that "So you fought with the Arabs, not with Soviet soldiers," and now "Soviet" anti-aircraft gunners have already appeared. Now about the facts: Medvedka 19 is a shame of the Soviet air defense. wassat You can see documentary shots in YouTube about how to rake complexes that have no analogues in the world.
              Tell your classmates at school how our pilots got rid of in the 70s. Just do not tell that the air defense did not cope with its task, since the Israeli pilots always destroyed the intended targets. Even at the cost of losses.

              Quote: Sapsan136
              So your Wishlist hide their loss Wishlist and stayed ..

              For example?

              Quote: Sapsan136
              By the way, your last ground operations ended for you with a lot of blood, lack of result and burnt Merkavas, which are supposedly the best in the World, just like the supposedly invincible Leopards-2 burning in Syria today

              Big blood? For example?

              PS
              Did you find photos of the debris F-15 and F-16?
              1. Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 18 October 2019 13: 08
                0
                there are photos of the F-15 wreckage even with the Israeli Air Force identification marks ... and how you fought with the Russians can be seen in your M-48a5 tank with a dynamic blazer defenses standing as a trophy in the Russian Kubinka
                1. Professor
                  Professor 18 October 2019 17: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  photo of the wreckage of f-15 is even with identification marks of the Israeli air force... and how you fought with the Russians can be seen in your m-48-5 tank with a dynamic blazer defenses standing as a trophy in the Russian Cuban

                  1. Post a photo, do not be shy.
                  2. For one captured Israeli tank in the scoop they gave the star of the Hero. We captured Soviet tanks in quantities that allowed them to be adopted by several brigades. wink
                  1. Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 18 October 2019 17: 36
                    -1
                    You captured them from the Arabs, not ours, but a photo ... you will find it yourself ... in Yandex ...
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 18 October 2019 20: 57
                      0
                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      You captured them from the Arabs, not ours, but a photo ... you will find it yourself ... in Yandex ...

                      1. You also didn’t capture the American tank from us. The Arabs gave it to you.
                      2. Well, at least I did not send it to Google. And there were some show-offs, show-offs. wassat
          2. sivuch
            sivuch 17 October 2019 12: 13
            0
            I would not call the Soviet officers bad soldiers, and the Soviet systems ancient.
            As for the second part, then in vain
        3. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 17 October 2019 19: 48
          0
          Quote: Sapsan136
          ..An attempt to fight the Russian Federation will cost Israel its existence ...

          Israel neither when nor once again when He will not fight against Russia, but will defend himself against anyone who attacks or tries to attack. V.V. Putin said that Moscow would be ready to use nuclear weapons only by making sure that "someone, a potential aggressor, is striking Russia."
          Israel holds the same concept.
      4. kiril1246
        kiril1246 16 October 2019 19: 48
        +1
        Quote: mvg
        2000 tanks, far from the worst in the world

        3000 :)
  5. Dikson
    Dikson 16 October 2019 14: 29
    -6
    Meanwhile, this has appeared on the network: "According to Bloomberg, in the suburb of Manbij, which was left by the units of the international coalition led by the United States, a column of military equipment of the Syrian Arab army was attacked from the air and completely destroyed by unknown combat aircraft." ...
    1. Zeev Zeev
      Zeev Zeev 16 October 2019 14: 44
      +4
      Fake, definitely.
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 16 October 2019 17: 34
      +1
      Do you believe your message?
      A column without communication, without air cover, without turntables, without air defense?
      If you think that the Jews were patted on the shank, then this is in vain: your normal praises like normal kirdyk to shalom are normal Jews ...
  6. Shahno
    Shahno 16 October 2019 14: 30
    +1
    Well, somehow nakosyachili ... They had a fight. Up to the heads of state. Now all the interviewer. No one asks extra questions.
  7. Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 16 October 2019 14: 31
    0
    So it was on Monday. And in general it is Liechtenstein. Or Luxembourg.
  8. Evil 55
    Evil 55 16 October 2019 14: 35
    +1
    Once again, Euro-humans have made a case of ... These will not miss their.
  9. mavrus
    mavrus 16 October 2019 14: 35
    +1
    3 million ethnic Iranians live in Syria ... This is almost 17% of the population. So Israel can come up with a reason to bomb indefinitely.
    But I wonder if Iran starts blowing up in camps where there are a hell of a lot of Jews, then what kind of a howl "in the world media" will begin ...
    1. kiril1246
      kiril1246 16 October 2019 21: 27
      0
      Quote: mavrus
      if Iran starts to blow up in camps where Jews to hell and more

      Once upon a time already started
  10. Loess
    Loess 16 October 2019 14: 37
    +9
    Again, VO "fried" is in a hurry to send to print ... Previously, at least some publication was referred to, but now it's simple - one journalist said ...
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 16 October 2019 14: 48
      +1
      Something lately has sharply diminished the number of statements by the press center of our military department on the Syrian theme !?
      1. Loess
        Loess 16 October 2019 14: 51
        0
        Quote: Elephant
        Something lately

        I don’t know, lately I don’t have time to watch TV, I’ve been missing for days at work ...
  11. K-36
    K-36 16 October 2019 14: 47
    0
    Quote: Dikson
    Meanwhile, this has appeared on the network: "According to Bloomberg, in the suburb of Manbij, which was left by the units of the international coalition led by the United States, a column of military equipment of the Syrian Arab army was attacked from the air and completely destroyed by unknown combat aircraft." ...


    Hmm ... Recently, the Moment of Truth publishing house was fined n-th amount for spreading fake news yes . So I think that it would not hurt you either ... to warm up too.
    hi
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 16 October 2019 14: 59
      +2
      Yes, yes .. Then warm this site up .. - here in the basement the link hangs on this supposedly fake ..)) I’m looking at it right now .. And the picture is stuck .. Do you have any complaints to the site, only to me personally? )))
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 16 October 2019 15: 00
      +1
      Quote: K-36
      So I think that it would not hurt you either ... to warm up too.

      Start with these - https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/7004964
      wassat
  12. Livonetc
    Livonetc 16 October 2019 14: 56
    +2
    And yet I don’t understand.
    How Turkey’s actions contributed to Israel’s strike.
    Now, if Israel had invaded the forces of ground units, then the connection would be traced.
    Or relocated the Syrian air defense forces?
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 16 October 2019 17: 40
      0
      Israel doesn’t have enough combat radius to Manbij, all the more so since they’re going through Khmeimim or through Turkey (all one krant), but for the Americans from Iraq it’s easy.
      Faster than ours we need to master the airfield in Tabka ...
    2. Dmitry Vinner
      Dmitry Vinner 16 October 2019 21: 08
      0
      S-300 put on direct fire. Against Turkish tanks.
  13. K-36
    K-36 16 October 2019 15: 17
    +1
    Quote: Dikson
    Yes, yes .. Then warm this site up .. - here in the basement the link hangs on this supposedly fake ..)) I’m looking at it right now .. And the picture is stuck .. Do you have any complaints to the site, only to me personally? )))


    Well, if the site is doing this, then it would not hurt to turn it up (precisely for the DISTRIBUTION OF Fake "NewsBy the way, I already have one warning from the admins (just about this. They once printed one clearly fake, allegedly "news". I pointed it out to them.)
    And I personally have no personal complaints to you. Here to news from the garbage dump, yes, I am extremely negative. But you have (I hope!) your own head on your shoulders to decide whether to voluntarily join the ranks of FAKE DISTRIBUTORS or not? I really hope that you understand me.
    hi
  14. K-36
    K-36 16 October 2019 16: 07
    0
    Quote: Dym71
    Quote: K-36
    So I think that it would not hurt you either ... to warm up too.

    Start with these - https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/7004964
    wassat

    What can I say? If I had my way, I would have warmed up TASS. Per unverified printout "supposedly news". Technically, it is not difficult. After all, behind the text posted on the site there is a specific full name. And there is an editor of the publishing house (also with a specific full name) yes
    hi
  15. lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 16 October 2019 16: 08
    -2
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Quote: Thrifty
    Isn't one Israel’s command post right? They walk along the blade of a knife ...

    Yes you? Tell me what they want barefoot ... And the Turks on tomatoes in sandals ... This is our political diction ... And we also need to stand on the hood when playing eastern music with fragments of the Russian anthem ...
    They flew, fly and will fly while this ... lobby is sitting in the Kremlin. And more than once they will knock down (bomb) anyone who needs to and will not express concerns ...

    Oh, and the minuses then immediately flew! The relatives of Satanovsky and Shapiro are probably worried .....
  16. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 16 October 2019 17: 20
    0
    Turks in Syria, Israel bombing Syria, and we speak of some kind of victory. Well, after all, the Americans left several bases ...
    Why is our ally put in a pose and do what they want? Why are there foreign troops in our ally? Moreover, they write that Turkey is a magician,
    He added that the Kremlin recognizes Ankara’s right to take measures to ensure its own security, and hopes that the operation will not harm the process of political settlement. Peskov also found it difficult to predict the duration of the operation.

    link: https://lenta.ru/news/2019/10/16/masshtab/

  17. Shahno
    Shahno 16 October 2019 17: 26
    -1
    [quote = hydrox] Do not suffer :: Russia will have to measure the cuffs for a long time :: and the Turks, Jews, and Kurds - all deserve their earrings
  18. Gust
    Gust 16 October 2019 18: 54
    +2
    [quote = Shahno] [quote = hydrox] Do not suffer :: Russia will have to measure the cuffs for a long time :: and the Turks, Jews and Kurds - all deserve their earrings [/ quote]
    Do not take it seriously - from ignorance of the situation. The dismantling of Israel and Iran does not concern any place of the Russian Federation. For example, Assad is hammering on the SAR troops in vain - in the medium term, Assad is preferable for Israel to barmalei as neighbors. Apparently this is from alavitophobia;))
  19. gafarovsafar
    gafarovsafar 17 October 2019 13: 05
    0
    it’s not clear that it’s reported that it was forbidden to bomb at all, but only after saying that they will bomb and when. there the Amersa fled from the Turks who don’t have nuclear weapons and Russia who has it is afraid of some kind of Jews to put everything in place, it’s necessary to land one plane as the Turks landed the Russian one. Here from whom it is necessary to learn, let them not act correctly but decisively and consistently. It is said that this was done about the Turks