New requirements of Kiev: capitulate, otherwise we will not comply with the Minsk agreements

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I do not want to be the queen of the sea


Once again, Ukraine refused to fulfill the Minsk agreements, putting forward absolutely impossible conditions (recall, Kiev has no right to put forward any conditions): disband LDNR, return the hryvnia to Ukraine, Ukrainian political parties and the media, return nationalized enterprises to Kiev (most likely taken under external control - nationalization never took place), return the border between LDP and Russia under Ukrainian control ...





In fact, Kiev offered to capitulate to the republics, in return promising not to punish strongly the civilians of LDNR, but to crack down on everyone who fought against Ukraine. Kiev has no reason to speak from a position of strength. On the contrary, all this bravado is an obvious sign of the weakness of the President of Ukraine Zelensky, who simply does not have the political will to honestly and completely implement at least one point of the Minsk agreements.

Ukrainians do not even bargain. They are a step away from frankly admitting that they were not going to and are not going to fulfill the Minsk agreements at Bankova. Only diplomatic etiquette and the promises made by Poroshenko interfere.

Will this music be eternal?


Zelensky and his people have not yet had to receive reports on the defeat of their armed forces and did not have to sit down at the negotiating table, knowing that otherwise the enemy would utilize a brigade or two and squeeze a couple of settlements. Poroshenko’s actions in 2014 and 2015 seem to him almost a defeatism, for which he now has to pay, returning again and again to the unpleasant issue of fulfilling the Minsk agreements.

Zelensky, in principle, would not mind fulfilling some part of these agreements in order to earn the image of a peacemaker and establish a dialogue with Moscow, but the power block unequivocally explained to the unlucky comedian that this was unacceptable. In the end, it remains only to drag out time, imitate their readiness for a fair game, while doing everything to disrupt the meeting in the Norman format. Fortunately, no one from the guarantor countries of Minsk has made the slightest effort to force Kiev to peace.

Ukraine does not need Donbass


The whole problem is that Zelensky and his retinue need peace, but Donbass is not needed, at least in the format that is prescribed in the Minsk agreements. If the region could be returned on its own terms ... It would be nice to increase its rating by returning the region to Ukraine and drink plenty of blood, cracking down on separatists. Yes, it would be great to declare yourself the winner of Russia and distract the attention of Ukrainians from their skinny wallets by a series of show trials of the LPR people. Yes, the Ukrainian oligarchs would be happy to return their assets.

True, the joy of the political dividends received would have been significantly overshadowed by the need to pay pensions and benefits to the residents of Donbass (today they receive somewhere around 50% of pensioners), provide Lugansk and Donetsk with electricity and gas, at least nominally invest in restoring the infrastructure suffered from the war. Kiev simply does not have money for all this, and the tax revenues that Kiev would receive after the factories and mines were returned to the Ukrainian oligarchs would hardly cover these costs.

As for the proposed Minsk format, it does not suit anyone in Kiev at all. Therefore, it does not make sense to wait for Ukraine to fulfill the promise, at least until the AFU units are in the next boiler, which, given the cowardly manner of firing Ukrainians from afar, avoiding direct contact, is hardly possible.

Putinslill #


Everything would be fine if it were not for the systematic shelling of the settlements located on the demarcation line: if the situation does not change in the foreseeable future (and why should it change?), Then the LPR and the DPR will lose several more villages, which means thousands or even tens thousands of people will be left homeless or left the republic.

Otherwise, life goes on, and for hundreds of thousands of Novorossia residents, Minsk is practically no different from last year: a sluggish war and vague prospects, abundantly buried by the chatter of politicians and talking heads.

The latter, incidentally, have a rather difficult time. Until recently, they triumphantly explained to their flock that Moscow had agreed with Kiev and was about to sack the bored Donbass to Ukraine. Now, one has to invent a new paradigm that would explain why Kiev is in no hurry to accept Lugansk and Donetsk into its asphyxiating embrace. However, worrying about them is unnecessary. There is no such stupidity that the patriotic guard disdains in his attempt to justify why Putinsliel # and we all will soon be lost.
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  1. +3
    18 October 2019 15: 11
    absolutely impossible conditions
    And it will be forever!
    1. +4
      18 October 2019 15: 15
      Yes, the government of the Zelensky team is insolent put forward for DLNR precisely the conditions for their surrender - Otherwise, these conditions can not be called! That, in principle, NO - in any way, neither sideways, nor baking - may not be acceptable for residents of the DLNR!

      Kiev could not defeat the DLNR militia by force - decided to take and subjugate the inhabitants of the DLNR by deception.
      1. +2
        18 October 2019 16: 37
        Quote: Tatiana
        Zelensky’s government impudently put forward for the DLNR precisely the conditions for their surrender

        "Bankrupts cannot demand, they can only ask!" S. V. Lavrov
        And on the merits of the statement about the unacceptability of the "Minsk Agreements" for the Outskirts, please pay compensation to Russia for the imposed sanctions "for non-compliance with the Minsk Agreements"! How many!? It will be necessary, let's count!
        1. +3
          18 October 2019 16: 51
          Ukraine will have to capitulate. Zelensky and other Kalo moiskoys will still have to posthanovily wave Kyle in Donetsk faces to rewind their life sentences
      2. -5
        19 October 2019 09: 58
        Well, for the sake of justice, I believe that about 90 percent of the inhabitants of the LPR People’s Republic would accept these conditions, since the current situation bothered them worse than the bitter radish. Everything is nearby there, they go to all kinds of North-Donets and Slavs and see that the people are living there better financially, and no genocide has happened. Another question is that no one is going to ask LDNR population - how they decide in Moscow it will be so. But giving Putin a return is not possible — he's a macho man.
        1. +1
          19 October 2019 12: 10
          Quote: mikle1999
          Well, for the sake of fairness, I believe that 90 percent of the inhabitants of the People’s Democratic People’s Republic would accept these conditions, since the current situation bothered them worse than the bitter radish.

          They tell you about Thomas, and you in a philistine way interpret about Yeryoma!

          You probably do not know that Kiev needs the territory of the DLNR - WITHOUT LOCAL POPULATION in general !!! It was discussed earlier in Kiev, and it is precisely about the CLEANING of the South-East of Ukraine from the local Russian population.

          Moreover, to spend money and restore the infrastructure of the DLNR destroyed by shelling by the APU, as well as to pay pensions to the local population - no one is going to in Kiev!
          All residents of the DLNR will somehow end up in the contractions camps.

          What a good life the indigenous people of Donbass and Lugansk under the junting authorities in Ukraine from Kiev you speak? You are our naive
          1. 0
            19 October 2019 13: 09
            Be objective, neither in Kiev, nor in Kharkov, nor in Severodonetsk will the Russian population be cleansed and driven into concentration camps. And already from the LDNR the Russian people escaped far more than from the Bender Kharkov. How do you imagine the restoration of the Donbass without the local population, who will restore it - zapadentsy? Another question is that the Donbass, that with the population that without no one needs at all - neither Ukraine nor Russia nor Turkey nor the states. There is nothing there that would be worth dumping dozens of yards into at least a pre-war state. Donbass now costs Russia much cheaper than Crimea, it makes no sense to transfer it to the status of the latter. But Ukraine and generally consider nothing worth it, but it allows you to ask for help from the West.
            And in this sense, the population fell specifically and for a long time, and the hopes that this tramp will end in the memory of the current generation are unfounded.
            1. 0
              19 October 2019 13: 40
              Firstly, in the Donbass (South-East of Ukraine) there was no referendum among the indigenous population on its accession to the Russian Federation, as was the case in the Crimea. In this case, joining the Donbass to the Russian Federation is a violation of international law.
              Secondly, humanitarian assistance in the DLNR is constantly coming. Recently, the 56-th humanitarian humanitarian train was sent from Russia to these republics.
              Quote: mikle1999
              Another question is that the Donbass, that with the population that without no one needs at all - neither Ukraine nor Russia nor Turkey nor the states.
              You are mistaken in this.
              Donbass, Lugansk, etc. in January 2014 of the year was leased by Yanukovych under Baidan to the American firms Shell and Chevron for 50 years with prolongation for every 5 years and this agreement has not been canceled yet, but it was only supposedly temporarily suspended.
              Therefore, to compare you with the Donbass Donetsk regarding the living conditions of the Russian population in them is at least not correct.
              You do not recognize the genocide of Russians in Bandera-Zionist Ukraine, probably only because you are not Russian by nationality.

              Lugansk and Donbass sold to the States for shale gas !? Posted: July 7 2014
              1. -1
                19 October 2019 14: 35
                That’s what I’m saying, Russia is now getting off with pensions of 3000 rubles, salaries for teachers at 6000 rubles and militias of 25. Well, let it be on average $ 100 per month for each resident. Complicated pennies compared to those expenses that she (or any other acquirer) would have to spend on restoring the region. Residents of course it is better to join at least Russia and at least Ukraine to hell bald, but I do not see a chance. Those that are more energetic younger and smarter will leave, the rest memorized babble quasi-patriotic rhetoric about loyalty to the cause of the givi motorolla, and where to go?
                If you believe fairy tales about shale gas, which the states can get for distant lands (and they don’t get it in Bendery controlled Ukraine) and there’s no idea where to put it - well, there’s no point in arguing, let’s have such a picture of the world, but it’s not about the fate of the population affects. Unless it comforts him in style - if it weren’t for LDR, it would be even worse. Absolutely typical self-hypnosis why actually it is necessary to endure the current disgrace.
                1. +2
                  19 October 2019 14: 49
                  Quote: mikle1999
                  If you believe fairy tales about shale gas, which the states can get for distant lands (and they don’t get it in Bendery controlled Ukraine) and there’s no idea where to put it - well, there’s no point in arguing, let’s have such a picture of the world, but it’s not about the fate of the population affects.

                  Firstly, the shale gas to the Americans from Ukraine is where - to the same Europe!

                  Secondly. Shale gas is already produced in Ukraine. Published: April 3 2014 of the year.
                2. +1
                  19 October 2019 15: 07
                  Quote: mikle1999
                  Residents of course it is better to join at least Russia and at least Ukraine to hell bald, but I do not see a chance. Those that are more energetic younger and smarter will leave, the rest memorized babble quasi-patriotic rhetoric about loyalty to the cause of the givi motorolla, and where to go?

                  So the oligarchic-Zionist regime in Ukraine was designed for this from the very beginning!
                  For example, here is a speech by a Zionist from Ukraine Igor Berkut, who for the last 3-5 years has openly advocated the creation of a Jewish national state in Ukraine - the so-called. "Heavenly Jerusalem" (Israel-2). Zionists ukarainy also need to cleanse the population of Ukraine from the historically state of the Russian people forming Russia.

                  5 millions of inhabitants will be enough for Ukraine, the rest will be utilized by Igor Berkut. Published in 2014
                  1. 0
                    19 October 2019 15: 23
                    Tanya, argumentation, if we had not suffered this suffering, there would have been NATO troops and our children for experiments, I have nothing to oppose. After all, you see that the Kharkiv people live much better than the Donetsk people, that after the seizure of the city, the Severodonetsk residents were not put in concentration camps, that the Donetsk people are fleeing to Kharkov and not vice versa, and that still does not convince you. Crazy videos convince you. What other miserable verbal arguments can I add? Well, wait another 5, 10, 15 years, then back to the discussion.
                    You understand, I am not on the side of Ukraine and not on the side of Russia (in which I live patiently waiting for Putin's death - I am younger, I have a chance to survive it), I just feel sorry for millions of people who got into the millstones of politics. Especially those who are now 14 - why are they? Where they will receive passports, education, where to work, how to travel around the world.
                    1. +1
                      19 October 2019 15: 37
                      Quote: mikle1999
                      Tanya, the argumentation, if we had not suffered this suffering, there would have been NATO troops and the brothers of our children for experiments there is nothing to oppose. After all, you see that the Kharkiv people live much better than the Donetsk people, that after the capture of the city they didn’t put them in concentration camps, that the Donetsk people flee to Kharkiv and not vice versa, and that still does not convince you. I convince you crazy videos.

                      Naturally, the residents of Donetsk and others like them, who are not living in the conflict zone better, because nobody fires at home !!! It would be funny to say otherwise!
                      Quote: mikle1999
                      Severodonetsk residents after the capture of the city did not put in concentration camps
                      How do you know that there was no massacre of civilians? Who reported this to you? Everything was both murder and reprisals! And it’s quiet-shito-indoor.
                      Quote: mikle1999
                      You understand, I am not on the side of Ukraine and not on the side of Russia (in which I live patiently waiting for Putin's death - I am younger, I have a chance to survive it), I just feel sorry for millions of people who got into the millstones of politics.
                      Say thanks to the Zionists for such a policy! This is their doing.
                    2. +1
                      20 October 2019 01: 01
                      Quote: mikle1999
                      You understand, I’m not on the side of Ukraine and not on the side of Russia (in which I live patiently waiting for Putin’s death - I’m younger, I have a chance to survive it),

                      Do not make God laugh fool
                3. +1
                  19 October 2019 15: 20
                  Quote: mikle1999
                  If you believe fairy tales about shale gas, which the states can get for distant lands (and they don’t get it in Bendery controlled Ukraine) and there’s no idea where to put it - well, there’s no point in arguing, let’s have such a picture of the world, but it’s not about the fate of the population affects. Unless it comforts him in style - if it weren’t for LDR, it would be even worse. Absolutely typical self-hypnosis why actually it is necessary to endure the current disgrace.

                  I believe that the American Zionists, Israeli Zionists and Zionists of Ukraine act in Ukraine at the same time in the style of radical Judaism against Russians in Ukraine with the aim of creating their own Jewish national state there!
                  1. 0
                    19 October 2019 15: 39
                    Well, well, quite a faith, no worse than others. I hope at least LDNR and its population will be saved from this terrible future. Amen!
                    1. +2
                      19 October 2019 16: 03
                      Quote: mikle1999
                      Well, well, quite a faith, no worse than others.

                      This is not faith, but conviction based on objective scientifically sound analytics of what is happening in the world.
                      Quote: mikle1999
                      You understand, I am not on the side of Ukraine and not on the side of Russia (in which I live patiently waiting for Putin's death - I am younger, I have a chance to survive it)
                      Than the death of Putin, then the death of Medvedev with his liberal "Kudrinyat" composition of the Russian government is better.
                      Japan also awaits Putin's death and sees in its place by default a Jew Medvedev.
                      You are well done"! And you treacherously go there, if, of course, you are a Russian!
              2. +1
                19 October 2019 18: 36
                The train was 87th.
          2. +1
            19 October 2019 22: 09
            But what, the content of ZK in a concentration camp is cheaper than the Ukrainian pension? It is more expensive, because you need to build camps and maintain security. Cheaper to drive away or destroy.
            1. 0
              20 October 2019 16: 27
              All this is there: protection from "manure" or pravosekov, and the payback, for example, is the work of the ZK in mines hi
              1. +1
                21 October 2019 18: 00
                All to the mines and other industries do not employ. There you need a minimum. A pravosekov not need to feed? Is it the living dead?
                1. 0
                  21 October 2019 20: 20
                  I think these are all not essential details: it’s stupid to consider someone else’s money (especially the enemy). 1. For the war with us, the West will not spare money with all their groans about VNA corruption;
                  2. The oligarchs also pay regularly (do not forget, the plants are standing, there are not many options for simple Ukra)
                  3. What they will find to occupy convicts, do not worry for them - to cut down the forest, to dig amber, this is whom sadists will not torture.
                  Honestly, I don’t want to discuss such scenarios and confine myself to expressing 100% certainty: IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CALCULATE AN ENEMY FOR MERCY.
                  Best regards hi
                  1. 0
                    21 October 2019 20: 21
                    Well, and I about it.
                    1. 0
                      21 October 2019 20: 23
                      drinks Victory will be ours!
        2. 0
          20 October 2019 14: 57
          Quote: mikle1999
          Well, for the sake of justice, I believe that about 90 percent of the inhabitants of the LPR People’s Republic would accept these conditions, since the current situation bothered them worse than the bitter radish. Everything is nearby there, they travel to all kinds of North-Donets and Slavs and see that the people are living there better and financially better, and no genocide has happened.

          For another three years, such a cowardly and treacherous policy of Russia towards the Donbas and the entire population of the DPR and LPR will spit together on Russia, on Novorossiya and the Russian Spring (which they have already forgotten).
          1. 0
            20 October 2019 18: 59
            It may spit, but where will it go? Refuse Russian pensions? Will revolt? Will grumble through the kitchens?
            Alas, they really hit the DECADES. Only to blame. Someone had the quick wits to do it right away, someone will do it as they grow older. Of the forty and older years, 90 percent will continue to live in these republics, convincing themselves that the outside is even worse, but there is housing and we will not die of hunger.
        3. 0
          24 October 2019 08: 59
          private opinion takes place
          I believe 90 percent of the inhabitants
          Lugansk and Krasnodon (after Sorokinsky after renaming) my relatives do not want to go back and do not express any nostalgia (6 people), 1 pensioner goes to spend relatives and pick up a pension (after the voyage, exactly half remains in 2 months) the second pensioner after the Ukrainian border guards drove he and a crowd of grannies in some sort of sedimentation tank in the rain and without benches stopped traveling for retirement as early as 15; ideological aspect - not a foot in the Ukrainian school, May 9, moral atmosphere.
    2. 0
      18 October 2019 23: 56
      If the enemy does not surrender, they destroy him (C) M. Gorky, 1930

      It is a pity that in 1945 they did not hear.
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  3. -1
    18 October 2019 15: 18
    I protest against the expression of a patriot guard.
    Patriot, he is only a patriot, without any prefixes.
    I propose for such persons the term sentry-polish.
    1. -13
      18 October 2019 15: 42
      Quote: Livonetc
      I protest against the expression of a patriot guard.
      Patriot, he is only a patriot, without any prefixes.
      I propose for such persons the term sentry-polish.
      and for people like you there is a very good expression - with patriot approvals)
    2. +2
      19 October 2019 16: 25
      There is already a good term "all-propal". The sentry-potsoret is somehow incomprehensible.
  4. -6
    18 October 2019 15: 26
    #putin_ne_slil......
    that's for sure?
    1. 0
      19 October 2019 18: 37
      Yes, not leaked, not leaked, Mr. Corporal.
  5. -7
    18 October 2019 15: 31
    If not for the cowardice of the guarantor and the selfish interests of the Kremlin, then Donbass and Novorossia would have long been part of Russia ..
    1. -3
      18 October 2019 15: 40
      on what basis? all of this is from the realm of fiction. they can take such a step only if we embark on a real war. it would be so simple then Abkhazia there or Transnistria has already been included and does not come out. we strategically just lose everything after this step.
      1. 0
        18 October 2019 17: 39
        On the same basis as the Crimea. We have already lost strategically in our inaction or simply in the betrayal of the top elite in 2014. Transnistria does not border the Russian Federation. Having lost Ukraine in the course of a cunning plan, we lost the geopolitical initiative at our borders ... now the Americans and the SS descendants are deciding the fate of Donbass and New Russia, what is the flying time to Moscow from the Kharkov region?
        1. -4
          18 October 2019 19: 13
          they forgave us the Crimea. there was no particular answer for him. but for this we would be seriously attacked. what betrayal are you talking about? who promised whom to whom? flying time? But is it much smaller from the Baltic states? you're not talking about that at all. at that time, delivery vehicles were limited at such ranges that we needed specifically Crimea and the possibility of accommodation there. it was very dangerous and everyone understood it. geopolitical situation? you probably didn’t understand that Ukraine would simply be dragged into Nata quietly and everything that you are talking about would be covered with a basin. one must really look at things. Russia solves its problems no matter how rude it sounds. and war there is more profitable for us now. I am very sorry for all the people there but this is not what we started. you are proposing, moreover, to openly subsidize the region into the country for many years to drag in to ensure it is completely and finally reassigned not only to Europe but also to the rest of the world. it would not be an unexpected person in the form of Crimea, but an open war with a neighboring state. and then lose strategically? spend a ton of money in blatant isolation and follow the path of Iran? so everything is bad there, I assure you. here there are real sanctions which we have avoided.
          1. +1
            19 October 2019 22: 32
            Nobody has "forgiven" the RF Crimea and is not going to "forgive". The USSR has not forgiven the Baltic-1940s yet. Therefore, in 2014, it was necessary to return all of Ukraine, including Galicia, to Russia. It is not orcs who live there, but normal people. There are very few Bandera members. The Armed Forces of Ukraine would simply go over to the side of the Russian Federation, as in Crimea, and the question of Ukraine in NATO, supplies and transport of Crimea, etc. would disappear right away. Liberation would be cheaper than the Crimean Bridge. Would hold a referendum ... Little Russians would feed themselves. There have always been sanctions against Russia and will always be. But this is better than the American occupation of the 90s.
          2. 0
            20 October 2019 15: 06
            Quote: carstorm 11
            they forgave us the Crimea. there was no particular answer for him. but for this we would be seriously attacked.

            Ha. Do you seriously believe that if we took the Donbass by force, someone would decide to attack us ??? You overestimate the courage of Europe and the United States. They all want to live and live well. And some incomprehensible Ukrainians are not going to change their well-fed life to a joyful life.
            1. 0
              24 October 2019 09: 05
              it’s not good to take someone else’s, it’s called occupation, the swift is turned off, the embargo on the purchase of oil, then gas and what to do?
    2. -2
      18 October 2019 15: 54
      Quote: Desdecado
      If not for the cowardice of the guarantor and the selfish interests of the Kremlin, then Donbass and Novorossia would have long been part of Russia ..
      I agree, the comprador "elite" with foreign bank accounts and real estate, children living in the West - betrayed the Russian Spring of 2014
    3. 0
      18 October 2019 16: 25
      Question to those present. And did the republics of Donbass formally or publicly appeal to Russia with a call to join it?
      1. +4
        19 October 2019 00: 58
        On May 11, 2014, the authorities of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic in the territory of a number of districts and cities of the Donetsk Region, after which on May 12 the DPR authorities declared sovereignty and expressed their desire to join Russia and also unite with the Luhansk People's Republic in New Russia.
        This is from Wiki.

        The Tsar-Father at the same time abruptly changed his position from "just try to touch" to "no need to rush, let's live together"
        1. +4
          19 October 2019 09: 51
          Why didn’t they come together? Means among themselves?
      2. +2
        19 October 2019 22: 33
        Those who tried to do something in this direction, for some reason, quickly died ...
        1. 0
          20 October 2019 00: 18
          Ukrainian intelligence agencies, our politics or local princes did not want to share power in their own little manor?
    4. -7
      18 October 2019 17: 07
      Sofa hero? The order of the hustle-chested to your full chest, with a twist on the back.
    5. +1
      19 October 2019 16: 30
      It is proposed to announce a competition for a bold guarantor. The courage to check during a cavalry raid on a tank brigade in conditions close to combat. The revealed bold guarantor quickly organizes firing like Donbass on a significant part of the perimeter of Russia's borders. This is exactly what we desperately need now.
      1. 0
        19 October 2019 22: 35
        What kind of shooting? For an amount 10 times less than the cost of the Crimean bridge, the Armed Forces General Staff in full force will transfer to the RF Armed Forces. Not to mention the ensigns ...
        1. 0
          20 October 2019 15: 53
          I doubt something a little ... Too many people in Ukraine still have a mess in their head. So, on occasion, a fair amount of shooting can still rise. To nothing. Every day the likelihood of strong shooting is slightly reduced. Oddly enough, time works for Russia.
  6. +3
    18 October 2019 15: 32
    It's ridiculous, of course, the comedian is spinning, but laughter is laughing, but the situation is really stalemate, Ukraine does not need Donbass, but Russia does not need it either ...
    1. 0
      19 October 2019 09: 43
      Yes, he was lucky for the residents, especially the youth. Being locked up on a scrap of an unpromising territory, without normal documents, education - they just have nothing to wish for how to bring down. ((
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        1. 0
          19 October 2019 23: 12
          Stupidly from evil he answered the previous comment. Used liberal vocabulary. No derogatory names of Russia. Let those who think that it is necessary to blame write so.
          1. 0
            20 October 2019 14: 51
            One can argue who needs to be brought down from Russia, what the level of rejection of modern Russian reality, education, professional demand, knowledge of languages, etc. should be for this. Millions fall, but still this is a small part of the population. And from LDN it is desirable to bring down just everyone physically capable of it. There is nothing for a normal person to do there if you are not a local king or mother Teresa, who happily puts her life to the treatment of patients who are not subject to evacuation.
            1. 0
              24 October 2019 09: 08
              There’s nothing for a normal person to do there
              wow you are brainwashed bully
    2. 0
      19 October 2019 22: 37
      Russia needs it along with the rest of Ukraine. Wasserman estimates that with 240 million people, Russia
      able to build an economy independent of the West.
      1. 0
        24 October 2019 21: 37
        that with 240 million people, Russia

        And I did not know that in Ukraine 95 million lives laughing
        1. 0
          25 October 2019 14: 03
          + Belarus and Kazakhstan. How to integrate is another question.
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  8. -7
    18 October 2019 15: 40
    Interestingly, does President Zelensky eat his favorite national Ukrainian product - salted pork fat? No.
    1. 0
      18 October 2019 15: 48
      Of course he eats. Even in Israel, many former USSR citizens eat it. It’s hard to get it
    2. +1
      18 October 2019 16: 43
      Quote: Amateur
      Interestingly, does President Zelensky eat his favorite national Ukrainian product - salted pork fat? No.

      Just wearing underpants!

    3. +1
      18 October 2019 21: 17
      Quote: Amateur
      President Zelensky eats the favorite national Ukrainian product - salted pork fat?

      ate of course.

      in general, the country's national product, if it has long been "yushka", if now it is chicken.
      Salo is a more imposed brand.
    4. +1
      19 October 2019 18: 40
      Zist, then he zist, but tilki hto give him ?!
  9. +1
    18 October 2019 16: 20
    damn .. and what smokes in Parliament)
  10. 0
    18 October 2019 16: 49
    As he was a puppet jester, so he remained! Alas! And people hoped for him from all three sides. Greensill
  11. 0
    18 October 2019 17: 15
    they would have already tied up with nonsense, LDNR says that there is no return to a single country, but signs something, the Sumerians scream about the inadmissibility of autonomy, but again they sign something, and Russia will always be guilty
    1. 0
      18 October 2019 17: 33
      Maybe because Russia decides? Just as the USA decides for Ukraine
  12. 0
    18 October 2019 17: 30
    Well, what can you negotiate with them ?! Since 1991, Ukraine has been the object of foreign policy, therefore it makes no sense to talk to it, you need to speak directly with their lord in Washington!
  13. 0
    18 October 2019 17: 35
    Everything would be fine if it were not for the systematic shelling of the settlements located on the demarcation line: if the situation does not change in the foreseeable future (and why should it change?), Then the LPR and the DPR will lose several more villages, which means thousands or even tens thousands of people will be left homeless or left the republic.

    Otherwise, life goes on, and for hundreds of thousands of Novorossia residents, Minsk is practically no different from last year: a sluggish war and vague prospects, abundantly buried by the chatter of politicians and talking heads.
    This is the funniest thing in the article, well, you’ll think they’ll lose a couple more settlements, people are fine, this is not a drain lol
    1. +2
      19 October 2019 17: 23
      What do you propose? Immediately begin a full-scale front-line operation to liberate Kiev? The militia will not pull. So? What does that mean? Do you think there will be less casualties and destruction? No matter how. And in Russia, everything will become upside down. And the current sanctions in comparison with those that arise in this case are not even flowers, but rather an ovary. No matter how lousy it is, you have to negotiate with people who sign, and immediately declare that when we signed, we did not mean what was written in the paper that we signed. And you have to endure it. Their social base melts, no matter how they puff, and time runs out. Otherwise, the victims will not be 2 thousand a year, but much, much more. And the split between the Russian and Ukrainian people, which are one, and even among the Westerners there are not so many direct thugs, will become irreversible. Dr. Rosenberg from the grave will thank.
      1. 0
        19 October 2019 17: 49
        Nothing there melts a loss of several tens of maximum people are not significant for them, and the split is not reversible anyway, in fact, it began back in 2014.
        1. 0
          20 October 2019 16: 00
          I'm not talking about the losses of the APU. I am talking about the population. They voted for Zelensky - they seemed to blink a little, but did not understand that they were being inflated again. Bought on promises. The film was taken for real life. It happens. If you recall the end of the 80s - the beginning of the 90s - many bought a lot of nonsense. Further, it will be smarter and better to vote for politicians who advocate normalizing relations with Russia at all levels. True, Mr. Medvedchuk, for example, is not particularly enthusiastic, but for good reason ...
          1. 0
            20 October 2019 17: 09
            These very Medvedchuks almost better than themselves have long been descredited by their policies.
      2. 0
        19 October 2019 22: 40
        It is necessary to carry out the same operation as in the Crimea. And buy up the AFU General Staff according to the American example. The world is cheaper than war. NATO is unable and does not want to fight.
  14. 0
    18 October 2019 17: 43
    Yes, it is clear to everyone that the AWL on the AWL Next has been changed.
  15. +2
    18 October 2019 17: 43
    In fact, Kiev offered to capitulate to the republics, in return promising not to punish strongly the civilians of LDNR, but to crack down on everyone who fought against Ukraine.
    In general, it can be understood that "Guys, we will make a concentration camp out of Lao PDR, and who and how much we deem necessary we will make enemies of the Reich." Penny entry, ruble exit. Something reminiscent of the times of the Second World War.
  16. +2
    18 October 2019 20: 49
    disband LDNR, return the hryvnia to Ukraine, Ukrainian political parties and the media, return nationalized enterprises to Kiev

    Jewish demand .. But the Russians do not agree, we need Kiev!
    Think all the center soaked .. You greetings from the Russian world!

    A stream of people like Givi and Motorola from all over Russia will rush to you, just give a reason to Bandera .. And you will envy your fathers and grandfathers .. soldier
    We have become different and do not wait for mercy ..
    1. +5
      18 October 2019 21: 35
      You constantly write yes we yes I but everything remains empty words
      1. -2
        19 October 2019 09: 19
        Quote: Kronos
        You constantly write yes we yes I but everything remains empty words

        Well, how to say and looking for someone dear .. I’m actually a representative of a very large part of the Russian people
    2. -4
      19 October 2019 09: 50
      No matter how cynical it sounds, I, as a Russian, are very interested that such givi and motor scoots leave Russia and lay their heads outside its borders. It’s a pity only those whom they manage to kill before their death. But in any case, it is better not to kill Russians, but Syrians or Bandera.
  17. -1
    18 October 2019 21: 28
    ehh. There, in general, that was the quote Olifer
    "The implementation of the political block of issues of the Minsk agreements is possible only if the following points are fulfilled: the dissolution of the LPRP quasi-formations, a complete ceasefire; ensuring effective monitoring of the OSCE SMM throughout Ukraine; withdrawal of armed formations, foreign troops and military equipment from the territory of Ukraine; disengagement forces and means along the entire line of contact; ensuring the work of the Central Election Commission of Ukraine, Ukrainian political parties, the media and foreign observers; establishing control over a section of the Ukrainian-Russian border not controlled by Ukraine and implementing other points stipulated by Ukrainian and international legislation and the Minsk agreements ", - quoted by the press secretary of the head of the Ukrainian delegation to the TCG Leonid Kuchma Darka Olifer

    Well, the OOS headquarters generally shows evidence that LDNR intensifies shelling. (They even killed a fighter after visiting Zelensky’s positions in Avdeevka).
    ORDILO also claims shelling.
    In general, tyagomotin with shelling (and this is the first thing they want to stop) continues from two sides. So everyone benefits from this state of affairs.
  18. 0
    18 October 2019 23: 05
    ... Give up! or we must surrender ...
  19. 0
    19 October 2019 01: 19
    What is it, the next Maidan is brewing, He would remain at the trough.
  20. -1
    19 October 2019 08: 42
    What do you want, clowns in power, their destiny is to make people laugh.
  21. -6
    19 October 2019 09: 39
    Ukraine then maybe dobass is not needed. But here the civilians of Donbass, the implementation of the Ukrainian ultimatum would be clearly beneficial. Which of course you can’t say about the top of the LDNR. So all this will last at least a decade before Putin’s death, and most likely even a decade after he leaves for another world. Sorry.
    1. +1
      19 October 2019 18: 13
      Few, perhaps, would benefit. But those who do not expect anything good for themselves personally will not allow the surrender of the republics. There are more of them, and they are in vests. Well, the New Petliurists cannot cope with them. Sheep to graze is not for you to chop a coal. The intestine is thin. And Putin has nothing to do with it. "The cat abandoned the kittens. It's Putin's fault." It's even funny. Although, in general, no laughing matter.
      And the current rulers of Ukraine need Donbass just desperately. More than Crimea. But without the indigenous population. Or, at least, with reservations for all those who disagree. Only shish they will succeed. And you wait, wait. You will have to wait less than you think. Just wait not for what you think.
      1. -3
        19 October 2019 18: 52
        Yes, why do they donbass? Is there an elixir of eternal life or diamonds shoveled? Manufactures are destroyed, and who needs them without workers. I'm not talking about the current curfew, which generally looks wild.
        Exactly through the demarcation line, 20 km from Donetsk, no destruction of civilians is observed. Although it would seem that they also visited the free republics. And it seems they don’t want to ass. I am not saying that they will be better in Ukraine than in Russia. But they will definitely not be taken to Russia. But in Ukraine, in any case, theoretically there are chances. And for the population, this will certainly be better than staying in the gray zone - there are many examples of such cities that have come under the control of Ukraine
        1. +1
          19 October 2019 22: 44
          One village is not an indicator. And the victory of the APU is in doubt. Now, if the Donbass is completely occupied, then everything will change dramatically. Winners are not judged.
          1. 0
            19 October 2019 23: 19
            Slavyansk, Severodonetsk, Lisichansk, boundary, flint, much more. But I will not argue with you, because I believe that LDNR is a VERY long time. Because I feel sorry for them.
    2. 0
      19 October 2019 22: 41
      This is obvious to you. You are clairvoyant.
  22. +1
    19 October 2019 16: 14
    Let Bandera at home, demand from his wife ...
  23. 0
    19 October 2019 23: 16
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  24. 0
    20 October 2019 02: 33
    It's time to close the Outskirts project.

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