Production of T-14 tanks. When and how much?

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In 2015, the public was first shown the promising main tank T-14, built on a unified platform "Armata". Later, the first reports appeared about the launch of mass production of such equipment for various purposes. The industry carries out the orders received, and the military department is busy testing equipment. Nevertheless, some features of the Armata program may look like cause for concern. In addition, unhealthy sensations are sometimes made from known facts.


MBT T-14




During production


By May 2015, NPK Uralvagonzavod built several T-14 MBTs for testing at once. These cars took part in a parade on Red Square and then returned to the testing ground. Probably, it was them who were subsequently repeatedly shown in various reports, at exhibitions, etc.

In the spring of 2016, in the domestic media appeared news about the purchase of 100 new tanks for conducting military tests. At the beginning of September of the same year, the management of NPK "UVZ" clarified information on the release of equipment. Indeed, the production of tanks started, and the first vehicles were transferred to the customer. In total, it was planned to build 2300 tanks for our army. It could take several years to complete such an order. Such construction could be completed in 2020 or 2025, depending on various factors.

New information on the procurement of armored vehicles on the Armata platform appeared only in August 2018. As part of the Army-2018 forum, the Ministry of Defense signed a contract to purchase an installation batch of 132 units of equipment. This number included MBT T-14, heavy BMP T-15 and repair and recovery vehicles T-16. The first nine cars were supposed to go to the customer last year. The completion of the contract is scheduled for 2021.

At the very end of last year, it announced the completion of factory tests and the early start of state tests. This stage of work was supposed to begin in 2019 and take some time. According to its results, a decision was expected on the future fate of tanks and other equipment.

No new messages on T-14 MBT production contracts have yet been received. In addition, industry and the army are in no hurry to disclose details of the implementation of existing contracts. Apparently, the customer has already received a certain number of tanks and other armored vehicles on a unified platform. Moreover, new models have not yet been officially adopted.

Known Patterns


The exact number of T-14 tanks already built is unknown. The same applies to other equipment on the Armata platform. However, the available data allows us to determine at least the lower limit of the number of finished equipment. In addition, the possible maximum number of tanks required is known. All this allows us to make assumptions and make estimates.

It is known that at the time of the parade on Red Square NPK UVZ had built at least 20 of experimental MBT and TBMP. 10 tanks and 10 infantry fighting vehicles participated in the celebrations, after which they returned for testing.

The status of the experimental batch of 100 machines, which was reported in 2016, is still unclear. The lack of accurate information does not allow attributing this batch to the well-known and used in the calculations.



Last year’s contract provides for the supply of 132 armored vehicles, with 9 planned to be built before the start of 2019. According to known data, the delivery of 44 units is planned for the current year. Thus, at least ten cars are already ready under this contract, and approximately 120 will be built no later than 2021.

To date, with sufficient confidence we can talk about the release of at least 20 T-14 tanks. At least hundreds of new machines are provided for by the existing and ongoing contract. In the near future, new orders for hundreds of tanks and other armored vehicles may appear. However, before this, the existing equipment must complete the state tests and get the necessary assessment.

It should be noted that the actual number of promising armored vehicles at test sites and in parts may be significantly larger than the known. The high priority of the Armata project leads to corresponding secrecy. Not all news about the release or testing of such equipment reaches the press and the public.

Plans and production


During discussions of the status and prospects of MBT T-14 often recall the statements of the past and compare them with the latest news. So, in 2016, the management of Uralvagonzavod mentioned the need to build a new type of 2300 tanks for the 2020-25. At the same time, real contracts provide for the delivery of more modest lots - 132 cars to 2021.

This discrepancy of statements and actions can be interpreted in different ways. It is expected that an unhealthy sensation will be made of him. The mismatch of numbers and deadlines is called the failure of the entire program, the threat to the country's defense, strategic miscalculation, etc.

At the same time, statements by officials on existing plans for the production of equipment are well known. They explain the current state of affairs and reveal the expected events of the near future. There are also grounds for various plausible assessments. However, all official explanations and realistic assessments are unlikely to be the reason for high-profile publications.

Reasons for the lag


The main reason for the insufficiently high production rate of T-14 can be considered the overall complexity of the project. The Armata platform uses a number of new solutions for our industry that complicate the project. MBT based on such a platform is also quite complicated. All new ideas need refinement and refinement, which takes time and money.

The complexity of projects often leads to delays and the transfer of new stages. Nevertheless, such problems usually find a solution, and the project ends with the desired results. MBT T-14, having new unusual components, really could require a longer refinement, and this is not surprising. In accordance with the change in the schedule of work, the terms of mass production have moved.

Last July, interesting features of the T-14 project were revealed by Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov. He pointed out that a promising tank is more expensive than existing models that have undergone modernization. At the same time, the updated equipment meets current requirements in terms of characteristics.


TBMP T-15 - another model based on "Almaty"


If the T-72Б3 tanks were inferior to foreign equipment, the Ministry of Defense would begin the full-scale construction of the new T-14. However, the current state of affairs allows you to take your time and calmly complete work on Armata. Thus, the army will receive a new tank in the right quantities - but this will happen later, but the car will be fully ready for service.

Earlier, reports on Armata featured plans for the construction of 2300 tanks in the foreseeable future. Apparently, it was a question of the maximum necessary quantity of equipment capable of ensuring the rearmament of the army. According to the results of such serial construction, the ground forces could sharply reduce the share of old and modernized vehicles, and the new T-14 would become the basis of the tank fleet.

Nevertheless, the urgent implementation of such plans was abandoned. The construction of Armat MBT will not be forced, which will save money, and the modernized tanks of old models will support the defense capability. However, this approach does not preclude the construction of 2300 tanks of the new model - but the last of them will enter the army later than originally assumed.

Desires, opportunities, plans and adjustments


Obviously, the Russian army needs a completely new tank, which is not a conversion of an existing armored car. Such a model of technology has already been created and is even being produced in a small series. Approximately in 2020, some units of the army will have to begin experimental military operation of the T-14 tanks ordered in 2018.

MBT T-14 is created with an eye to the distant future. According to current estimates and plans, such equipment will be operated almost until the middle of the XXI century. As a result of this, it should not only meet modern requirements, but also have a backlog for modernization in the future. Fulfillment of such requirements is associated with known difficulties, and work may be delayed. Nevertheless, it is obvious that the main T-14 tanks will go to the troops in the near future and officially enter service. The only question is the exact date and the exact amount of equipment in each individual batch.
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  1. -3
    16 October 2019 06: 13
    It is clear that no one is going to purchase and massively introduce this tank into the Armed Forces, it is expensive for modern bourgeois Russia, but there is an excellent T 72B3 that is not inferior to Western models, on this we close the topic for T 14, and how many announcements and noise were ....
    1. +5
      16 October 2019 06: 50
      Have you read the article or not?
      1. +18
        16 October 2019 07: 03
        Of course! In the future, everything will be fine with us, probably. (But this is not accurate)
        1. +4
          16 October 2019 15: 56
          The only question is the exact date and the exact amount of equipment in each individual batch.

          The "Talking Head" said that the T-72 would also "come off."
      2. -2
        16 October 2019 07: 03
        Of course! In the future, everything will be fine with us, probably. (But this is not accurate)
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        2. +10
          16 October 2019 09: 20
          laughing The main conclusion from the contents of the article was conveyed in the best possible way!
      3. +4
        18 October 2019 07: 47
        Quote: Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
        Have you read the article or not?

        What is the article about? That’s yes because of this yes. You do not need a great mind to know this without this article.
    2. -12
      16 October 2019 07: 09
      Quote: Pessimist22
      It is clear that no one is going to purchase and massively introduce this tank to the armed forces.

      If we start mass production of the T-14 today, then external buyers will lose interest in the T-72/90. While the latter are in serious demand in the world market, it is unnecessary and even harmful to bring the armature to mass production.
      1. +7
        16 October 2019 07: 21
        Very funny, do you know the cost of both? The first buy because it is not expensive, but if they massively start to produce T 14, then will they lose T72 / 90 in value or become more expensive? If they lose, then they will be bought even more, or how?
        1. +4
          16 October 2019 07: 42
          Quote: Pessimist22
          Very funny, do you know the cost of both?

          The series will be definitely cheaper than leklerk and abramov. But they will press out 90.
      2. +11
        16 October 2019 08: 01
        Quote: Den717
        If we start mass production of the T-14 today, then external buyers will lose interest in the T-72/90.

        =====
        There is one more question: T-14 - the machine is fundamentally new - many solutions (remotely controlled tower module nowhere and never applied (this is still not a DBM with a tiny little fluff) the same applies to the "crew capsule", etc. etc. All these solutions must be properly tested in practice, "run in", work out the technology (in order to reduce the cost of simplifying production) and run and run ....
        Otherwise, it won't take long to get into the "halepa" (as it was with the T-64) having thrown into the troops a huge number of "raw" and not "perfect" tanks. Only times are not the same. Not those opportunities (including financial ones) to afford such luxury !!!
        1. +23
          16 October 2019 08: 15
          Moreover, in the USSR there were already three types of MBT in service. Now in Germany there are 250 tanks left, in England - 200, in France 200 ~ 300 pieces. Several hundred T-64 and T-72 tanks of the first modification can be scraped across Ukraine. About Almaty:
          Oleksiy Krivoruchko: "As of today, a contract has been signed for 132 T-14 and T-15 vehicles. We will receive the first nine vehicles this year"
          https://ria.ru/20180822/1527030365.html
          Alexander Potapov: Uralvagonzavod has produced about 30 Armata combat platforms, some of which took part in the parade on Red Square and in the tests of the Ministry of Defense "
          https://ria.ru/20180822/1527034073.html
          The total is 132 + 30 = 162. The first contract for "Armata" and immediately the number is half of what the "leading" tank powers of Europe have there.
          There is also the T-72Б3, which was created on the basis of the task assigned to the plant - at the lowest price, to ensure the entry into the army of the maximum number of tanks with modern weapons and thermal imaging sights. T-72Б3 began to be delivered in the 2011 year, but was adopted in the 2012th. Over 9 years, at least 800-830 vehicles + another one and a half hundred T-72Б3 arr. 2016 g. The T-80BV is being upgraded to the T-80BVM variant, which implies the maximum possible unification with the modernized T-72B3 tank in order to reduce costs. As for the T-72, there are not so many modifications left that are suitable for alterations in the T-72Б3. Allegedly, in the 72B3 they remake the "late" T-72A, which correspond to the T-72B as much as possible. Therefore, they began to modernize the T-80BV. The latest modification of the T-80 tank was the T-80BV, adopted by order of the Minister of Defense of the USSR in the 1985 year. In total, excluding Kharkov and the early experimental vehicles (T-80), which made small batches in Leningrad, the 5391 T-80Б and БВ and 431 Т-80У were made. At present, a number of the main components of the T-80BV tank are discontinued: the control system and automation of the loading mechanism, the fire fighting system, the sensor equipment of the collective protection system, the wind sensor and the radio station. At the same time, his peers German tanks “Leopard 2A4” consistently upgraded in the nineties of the last century to the level of “Leopard 2A5”, in the two thousandth years to the level of “Leopard 2A6” and their conversion to the level of “Leopard 2AXNXX” is planned. In parallel with the contract for the modernization of the T-7BVM party in Omsk, there is still a state order for the overhaul of eighty in Strelna, apparently there really will be a lot of tanks needed for new armies and divisions.
          1. +2
            18 October 2019 14: 09
            Another T-90 and the first batch of T-90M
      3. -1
        16 October 2019 10: 07
        Quote: Den717
        Quote: Pessimist22
        It is clear that no one is going to purchase and massively introduce this tank to the armed forces.

        If we start mass production of the T-14 today, then external buyers will lose interest in the T-72/90. While the latter are in serious demand in the world market, it is unnecessary and even harmful to bring the armature to mass production.

        Right! The needs of our own defense do not matter, because the main thing is business !!! The power of traders and farmers ....
        1. +3
          16 October 2019 11: 27
          Quote: Greg Miller
          The needs of our own defense do not matter, because the main thing is business !!!

          But tell me, how many tanks of the Russian Armed Forces were written off for combat losses over the past 30 years? How much money did you donate for the country's defense? Today, the country's main line of defense runs along the economic line. The money that the country helps out for the sale of defense industry products goes, among other needs, to your social needs and to R&D in the necessary directions. Only very limited people can not understand this.
      4. +1
        16 October 2019 23: 49
        If you start mass production today T-14

        The T-14 tank is a percussion machine that is several times superior to the T-90M and especially the T-72Б3
        T-14 will go exclusively to the shock army i.e. to the 1th Shock Army
        The Taman motorized rifle division has tank reinforcement in the form of a regiment at the rate of a tank per platoon, ~ 120-140 tanks - this is the ceiling in quantity for the T-14
        replacements of equipment in the Kantemirov tank division is not foreseeable, there are mainly T-80UD
        1. -1
          17 October 2019 06: 12
          Quote: Romario_Argo
          120-140 tanks - this is the ceiling in quantity for the T-14

          Who are you going to hit? When? Today? in a year? after 10 years? I don’t think that today it’s time to mobilize according to the example and model of autumn 41. It has long been stated that it is planned to manufacture a regiment kit for military tests and trial operation. Some kind of transfusion from empty to empty. There is no new information, the old has long been discussed. Nothing to write?
          Quote: Romario_Argo
          Taman Motorized Rifle Division has a tank reinforcement in the form of a regiment at the rate of a tank to platoon

          Enchanting! Where did you read that? In which super-general headquarters did such calculations take place? I have no words....
          1. +2
            17 October 2019 12: 26
            in general, the tactics of using tanks is based on strengthening motorized rifle units
            1 tank T-72 / 80 / 90 on 1 platoon on 3 BMP-2 so to speak distant arm in 5-6 km (8 UR) along the front in 700 meters
            if a platoon on the 3's BMP-3 (in the aircraft 700 units), then it is possible without reinforcement with tanks
            firepower: 3 - 100-mm guns (5-6 km), 3 - 30-mm automatic. guns (2 km - vehicles, 4 km infantry), 3х8 = 24 ATGMs (4-6,5 km)
            but there’s already a platoon defense line 2 km. front 4 km. - this is without tanks excess (!)
            1. 0
              17 October 2019 12: 52
              Quote: Romario_Argo
              in general, the tactics of using tanks is based on strengthening motorized rifle units

              Did you read the English during the First World War? Who taught you tactics? Which university?
    3. KCA
      +21
      16 October 2019 07: 34
      If I have an ancient computer on AMD 64 x2, but it completely suits me when solving my requests, why should I buy a computer on Ryzen 9, where one processor costs 50k rubles and a video card for 100k rubles, a 10TB screw for 20k, if My 320GB is almost always only 50% full?
      1. -2
        16 October 2019 07: 41
        You focus on the cost, I think that if these amounts were not significant for you, you would buy a new one.
        1. KCA
          +22
          16 October 2019 07: 48
          It’s not a matter of cost, I have been selling computer equipment for 10 years and I have always had an advanced and free computer, I sold old ones when replacing components, and then I realized that advertising show-offs with synthetic tests brought practically no meaning in real life, productivity growth CPU doubles, RAM doubles, etc., does not at all lead to an increase in the overall system performance by a factor of two, since then I finish computers until they really cope with what I want from them
          1. +3
            16 October 2019 12: 12
            I hear a bit of sarcasm in the direction of the T-14, do you think its capabilities are also "synthetically advertising"? It's about the tasks to be solved. You have enough x486 for "office", surfing the Internet and solitaire. The modern MBT has to overcome a bunch of new and not standing problems in order to fulfill its tasks. That is why it is time to round off endlessly "modernize" the T-34. Price - for the tasks that you need to solve.
            1. KCA
              +7
              16 October 2019 12: 49
              To solve problems, besides the supertank, you also need a crew, to prepare for the T-14, 15, 16 not soldiers at the KMB, but officers 5 years in the school and at least a year in the troops, and why at this stage thousands of "Armats", if you can put in them on the strength of 40 people? My computer is enough for me not only because of my low requests, but also because I have it configured by hand, everything that is not needed is disabled, there is no online antivirus, some have 2-3, all auto-updates are disabled, removed everything that I do not consider necessary. from the task scheduler, well, etc., but I had to see such computers for hundreds of thousands of rubles, on which only loading Vyndovz takes almost 10 minutes, despite the i7, 16-32GB of memory, TT drive. Crews will be trained gradually, tanks will be assembled for them, everything will be
              1. +1
                16 October 2019 13: 02
                The T-14 is not a supertank or a wunderwaffe. This is a transition from piston to jet thrust, if you compare (at least an attempt to do so). The T-14, apart from the commanding role in "standard" orders, is not associated in any way in the heads of the Ministry of Defense (that's why only officers are required there). And in the yard, meanwhile, another millennium and massive tank breakthroughs are a thing of the past, just like cavalry attacks in their time. The T-14 is a tank for a unified digital battle net and completely different tactics and so on. If the elements of AI catch up, the requirements for operators of such a technique will significantly decrease, local decision making and routine will be taken over by AI, while a person will only have creative functions and correct problem setting for him.
    4. +5
      16 October 2019 09: 33
      And the meaning is in thousands of T14 now, T90 in the latest modifications for the eyes, and T14 can still be brought slowly.
      For example, in England about 250 tanks in Germany are somewhere else.
      So 130 armature is not even bad.
      After all, the introduction of a completely new tank is not only iron but also people, and it’s time to train service personnel and tank crews, equip zip also time, equip time ammunition, develop and implement tactics of action from one tank to a tank army is also time, well, etc.
    5. +8
      16 October 2019 10: 31
      Quote: Pessimist22
      It’s clear that no one is going to purchase and massively introduce

      Such decisions should not be understood by everyone and there should be no debate in the media at all.
      A new generation of armored vehicles will be produced, but in quantities and terms determined by the real need of the aircraft for current and future tasks.
      If true, that 132 units have been ordered. vehicles on the Armata platform, which means that it is planned to arm about three battalions. For the first time, this was enough for comprehensive military tests.
      It is also sufficient for use in a local conflict such as Syria or Donbass, where TA breakthroughs equipped with the latest BBM are not needed.
  2. +18
    16 October 2019 06: 23
    What is the article about? Why cite the same numbers 132 and 2300 several times? There is nothing more to write about? Why write then ?!
    1. -2
      16 October 2019 06: 34
      Quote: Tahtvjd2868
      What is the article about? Why cite the same numbers 132 and 2300 several times? There is nothing more to write about? Why write then ?!

      Then, that the questions in the article were asked not to you, but to them ...
    2. +5
      16 October 2019 08: 06
      Quote: Tahtvjd2868
      Why cite the same numbers 132 and 2300 several times? There is nothing more to write about?

      ========
      Well, this is Cyril Ryabov’s style (unpretentious). Perhaps he is so keen on writing that he forgets what he wrote above, or maybe he wants to focus the reader's attention (is there such a trick - the Yankees came up with)? request
      Actually, in this article, as in other "creations" of the author, I find out before I read it to the end!
  3. +12
    16 October 2019 08: 02
    The article caused a steady association:
  4. -3
    16 October 2019 08: 22
    The main mistake of the "Armata" is that they made a bogey out of it, from which it is not easy to get off, although in the USSR, as if not every couple of years, a new model of the tank rolled out without unnecessary noise, and if it turned out to be unsuccessful, then it was simply closed, and the tank was put in the museum, perhaps, having taken from her some of those. solutions.
    1. -4
      16 October 2019 10: 22
      This is because the defense of the USSR spent more than 20% of GDP.
      1. -3
        16 October 2019 10: 48
        But the current Russia spends more on officials with guards.
        Give an estate in good old England instead of tanks and a yacht instead of a destroyer! fellow And it raced through the cabinets - give, give! hi hi hi
        1. -2
          16 October 2019 10: 54
          "But today's Russia spends more on officials with security guards." The budget has the biggest social spending - more than 4,5 trillion rubles. There are 10-15 thousand officials who receive large salaries of 200 and more thousand rubles.
          1. +1
            16 October 2019 11: 06
            These 15 thousand for all and take off.
            Remind the story of the award of the head of the Russian Post? This is when he put himself 100 million premium, and ge. Peskov, Secretary Putin, said that was normal. Fine?
            Yes, if now 20% is allocated for defense, then the dead Russian economy will immediately be covered with a copper basin.
            1. -10
              16 October 2019 11: 10
              Wow dead - for this year, Russia's GDP will be in the region of 1800 billion dollars, and PPP in general more than 4200 billion dollars. But the debts of defense industry enterprises in the amount of 2 trillion rubles can be fully covered.
              1. +6
                16 October 2019 11: 55
                4200? !!! Seriously?!
                Well this is 2 million (one million Karl!) Rubles per person! 6-10 million rubles per average Russian family! 500 thousand a month belay belay belay
                Yes, we are rich, it turns out, in what! drinks
                But where is the money, I don’t understand? No. So the gentleman with the letter M says that there is no money request
                PS By the way, the total debts have long exceeded $ 500 billion, and this is generally more than 30 trillion. Only in dollars, which is even sadder, we do not print them.
                And in rubles then ... uhh!
                One "empire" of the Gutserievs owes about trillion rubles to various banks. How much total debt?
                Or do defense industry enterprises exist in separate dishes? wassat
                1. +1
                  16 October 2019 12: 41
                  "So the gentleman with the letter M says that there is no money" - He said this in what year and on what topic do not tell me? "Total debts of 500 billion" - These are not debts of the state, but of private offices and firms - let them cope with them themselves.
                  1. +1
                    16 October 2019 13: 40
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    "Total debts of 500 billion" - These are not debts of the state, but of private offices and firms - let them cope with them themselves.

                    Yah?
                    Gazprom's debt alone at the end of 2018 amounted to $ 16 billion + € 21 billion + $ 5 billion in Swiss francs, yen and other currencies. Total $ 46 billion. This is a new record in the history of the company, which is 18,2% higher than in 2017.
                    Rosneft's debt is $ 27 billion and € 4 billion. Well, another 2,2 trillion rubles. In addition, Rosneft owes to its customers, including the Chinese CNPC and the Swiss commodity trader Glencore, oil that has not been extracted yet: its company “pledged” to attract financial resources.
                    If you add other other companies with state participation, then half of the 500 billion will definitely run, if not more.
                    In addition, the enterprises of the military-industrial complex consume the products of those very "private offices and firms" which, according to your logic, should "figure it out themselves." And how not to figure it out and go bankrupt? Who will supply metal, machinery, chemistry, etc. enterprises of the military-industrial complex? Pupkin?
                    1. 0
                      16 October 2019 18: 30
                      The State has a debt of 15% of GDP and Gazprom's debt is included in it, Russia also has a gold and foreign exchange reserves of $ 540 billion and a money-box in the form of a national welfare fund in which there are 8,2 trillion rubles - "The Russian State Reserve Fund is a part of the Federation for the long term. The NWF is formed at the expense of additional federal budget revenues from the oil and gas complex and revenues from managing its own funds. "
                      1. +1
                        16 October 2019 18: 45
                        Well - 15% of 1 billion $ 800 million - this is $ 270 billion.
                        And there are debts of private companies of our dear (very) oligarchs. And in 2008 and 2014, we well know how our state is anxious about them.
                        In 2014, gold and foreign currency reserves were also about $ 500 billion, and how did this help the ruble stay? No way. Oil fell in half and the ruble followed.
                        And rubles in the notorious NWF - this is generally ridiculous. Yes, at least 80 trillion print, what will it give in addition to inflation, when they rush to the market?
                        But the bourgeoisie will not sell anything for rubles.
            2. -3
              16 October 2019 12: 07
              Yes, officials stole all your money.
              1. +5
                16 October 2019 12: 22
                Yes, officials stole all your money.

                good Well done, I finally understood.
          2. 0
            17 October 2019 20: 08
            Quote: Vadim237
            In the Budget, the largest expenses on social programs are more than 4,5 trillion rubles.

            I would add the budget of the PFR of the Russian Federation here, and it amounts to 2019 trillion for the 8,6 year. rubles.
      2. -1
        16 October 2019 12: 06
        20% of GDP for the military commissariat is a lightly belligerent country. Tsarist Russia spent 10% of the EMNIP somewhere with the then strong militarization of the USSR during the Second World War 50%, it is obvious that in the following years the expenses were several times less. Most likely also about 10%.
        1. 0
          16 October 2019 12: 44
          Considering that the USSR, in addition to its 5 millionth army, has been pumping half the world with weapons for decades - 20 percent of my GDP for the defense industry is underestimated for me.
  5. +1
    16 October 2019 08: 24
    In general, the main thing is that by the time it comes time to replace the MBT with a new model, so that the concept, the product is not out of date! So refine it more carefully, bring it to the necessary conditions, guys!
  6. +5
    16 October 2019 08: 27
    T 14 in the troops today is not needed. This is the car of the future. 30 - 40 pieces per year to produce and slowly rearm the army is optimal. Another question is the T15. Here you need to have TBMP in the troops. And to have a lot. Embed them in the system. Train troops in interaction. It is necessary to start mass production precisely with T 15.
  7. +1
    16 October 2019 08: 39
    It is not yet known whether this future will come. But to use the T-14 in the conditional draft T-90/14, you can get a car with new characteristics according to already developed schemes, thereby cheapening the production of T-14 in the future.
  8. +4
    16 October 2019 09: 07
    It is much more important to bring to mind, as a finished product, the KAZ, SUO and 2A82 guns and use all this in the modernization and construction of T-90M tanks.
  9. -1
    16 October 2019 09: 07
    "It is obvious that the Russian army needs a completely new tank, which is not a rework of the existing armored vehicle." I will add on my own: it should also be in the T-72B3 price category. Then its mass production will begin. When the T-14 is made into a car, the cost and production cycle of which will be comparable to the T-72/90, then it will be adopted and replaced by older tanks. There is no need to hope that in its current form the T-14 will begin to be mass-produced. From the point of view of the military economy, this is meaningless. As an example - the European MBT, which buried (and thank God) the European tank building.
    1. +1
      16 October 2019 12: 20
      Quote: Yrec
      it should also be in the price category T-72B3

      You simply ventriloqually with the words of the Ministry of Defense (though there is much more non-censorship in real life there). Immediately I want to pour free gingerbread laughing
  10. -3
    16 October 2019 09: 08
    here where tanks were used after afghanistan? Only in Chechnya is that terrible. Why sculpt a tank that is most likely unsuccessful and stuffed with left electronics if they have not been used recently from the word at all ?. Syria requires a simple T-62 and pickups with machine guns, but certainly not T-14! Aircraft are used in any conflict and are definitely needed, like air defense. Amers need a fleet to put pressure on the poets, but Russia has no poises and no one is afraid of it, so again, air defense, aviation, cruise missiles! Armata drank this uralvagonzavod which the dashing owners brought to bankruptcy and extort money from the state.
  11. +4
    16 October 2019 09: 34
    Quote: Pessimist22
    It is clear that no one is going to purchase and massively introduce this tank into the Armed Forces, it is expensive for modern bourgeois Russia, but there is an excellent T 72B3 that is not inferior to Western models, on this we close the topic for T 14, and how many announcements and noise were ....

    * excellent T-72 B3 not inferior to Western models with an archaic turret on the roof of WWII times - a budget solution with an outdated DZ and without KAZ * - did you check it with what is not inferior? KAZ is not even put on it, unlike Abrashka, for example. Why the T-90AM was not riveted, it will be even more modern.
  12. +2
    16 October 2019 09: 35
    For some reason they only write that when there will be 2000, 3000, and so on tanks. It’s easiest to rivet, and then the grass doesn’t grow ... And they forget about military trials (which are still underway), as I see the new tactics of using new machines, new staff units, preparing command personnel for operating these machines, training crews and repairmen, organizing service, the supply of spare parts and assemblies, ammunition, etc. ......... It would be interesting to calculate what costs in figures per 1 fighting vehicle pulls the rest ..
  13. BAI
    +3
    16 October 2019 09: 44
    The exact number of T-14 tanks already built is unknown.

    How much? For serial production of the T-14 requires the reconstruction of Uralmash. Serious - the physical dimensions of the workshops need to be changed, not just the equipment. But she was gone. Accordingly, there is no mass production. There is only verbiage about the plans.
  14. +9
    16 October 2019 09: 58
    T-14 is nothing more than a platform for testing weapons and on-board equipment. A large-scale series will include a new tank in a traditional domestic form factor after testing an automation system for a crew of two people.
  15. +1
    16 October 2019 10: 36
    T14 is already interested in foreign customers.
    However, you must be careful to bring such a product to the foreign market.
    1. Do not harm the possible volume of sales of products of current generations.
    2. Launching a "raw" product can significantly reduce demand and damage the supplier's reputation.
    But after entering the foreign market and the start of mass production, the unit cost of the product itself and the cost of its maintenance will become more acceptable for its own defense budget.
    We do not need to catch up and overtake anyone.
    It is necessary to act calmly and reasonably.
    1. +5
      16 October 2019 12: 36
      Quote: Livonetc
      after entering the foreign market and starting mass production, the unit cost of the product itself and the cost of its maintenance will become more acceptable for its own defense budget

      Is that so? As if the Americans, after testing the first atomic bomb, rushed to sell nuclear weapons left to right? Forge swords and sell the Horde so then (if you do not chop down with these swords) arm your army with this money? Rave. Know-how and advanced solutions - primarily to strengthen their own defense capabilities. Marketing on option F-35 does not suit us.
      1. 0
        16 October 2019 12: 45
        These are conventional weapons, not mass destruction.
        Please note that even the most high-tech S400 air defense systems are sent for export.
        You can consider a similar story with the launch of the T90.
        Actually its mass production was secured by export orders.
        In particular, India.
        About one and a half thousand T90 machines of various modifications were produced for export.
        1. +3
          16 October 2019 13: 19
          Quote: Livonetc
          These are conventional weapons

          There are two options for "conventional weapons" - those that do NOT reduce the defense potential and do not pose a threat of technology leakage - sell them under whatever sauce you want, and fundamentally new solutions that give an advantage in certain areas. The concepts laid down in the T-14 are still being worked out, tested and refined, so why make it easier for the "sworn partners" to create at least the same?
          1. 0
            16 October 2019 13: 26
            Already tried more than once.
            The same does not work.
            1. +1
              16 October 2019 13: 30
              Quote: Livonetc
              Already tried more than once. The same does not work.

              Do you have to try to get it? Let's sell hypersound (this is sarcasm, if that).
              1. 0
                16 October 2019 13: 42
                Pay attention to the example of production facilities for the production of air defense systems.
                A number of very serious new enterprises have been built.
                All are backed by orders.
                1. 0
                  16 October 2019 13: 52
                  Return back to S-300/400. There is nothing super secret there. In addition, the sale of defense systems poses no threat to us. With the NATO bloc and their satellites, the situation in technology sales is a little different, and even then the United States does not at all run to sell advanced developments to its "allies". F-35s are being sold, and F-22s for Japan - "Indian national hut - figvam" (which of them is more advanced, and who is a cheaper craft, you will also think about it).
                  1. +2
                    16 October 2019 14: 21
                    But Armata is also not a super outstanding product that allows one to take possession of eastern and western Europe.
                    And even the presence of such weapons in the camp of the enemy will not be a decisive advantage for him.
                    We and anti-tank systems are up to standard.
                    1. +1
                      16 October 2019 14: 26
                      Quote: I do not remember where I read
                      Previously, special people were needed - James Bond. Now it’s enough to have money to buy or connect to the Internet to read all the secrets that interest you.

                      winked
                  2. Alf
                    +1
                    16 October 2019 19: 18
                    Quote: g1washntwn
                    In addition, the sale of defense systems poses no threats to us.

                    Well I do not know. God forbid, if we catch on with Erdogan, our pilots will "rejoice" ...
                    1. 0
                      17 October 2019 08: 26
                      Quote: Alf
                      God forbid, catch on with Erdogan

                      I doubt that under such a scenario, Turkey will drag our complexes into the territory of the SAR. And invading and attacking Turkey is something unintelligible on any side.
  16. 0
    16 October 2019 13: 38
    yet, probably, tank armies, corps and divisions are deep in the past. Even if in what quality T-14 is needed, it’s more likely, as part of the operational reserve for a breakthrough, and not in the combined arms network, but with a pair of drones at everyone’s interception
  17. -2
    16 October 2019 14: 17
    Never and not at all)))) expensive after all .....
  18. 0
    16 October 2019 15: 23
    Perhaps while working out a new platform and new systems, and serial tanks will appear later and they will look different?
  19. 0
    16 October 2019 15: 24
    Quote: Greg Miller
    Quote: Den717
    Quote: Pessimist22
    It is clear that no one is going to purchase and massively introduce this tank to the armed forces.

    If we start mass production of the T-14 today, then external buyers will lose interest in the T-72/90. While the latter are in serious demand in the world market, it is unnecessary and even harmful to bring the armature to mass production.

    Right! The needs of our own defense do not matter, because the main thing is business !!! The power of traders and farmers ....

    Come on ...- I didn’t drive a farce of bullshit
  20. 0
    16 October 2019 15: 39
    "When and how much" - then how much will turn out.
  21. Alf
    +1
    16 October 2019 19: 08
    In said something! To a fig of words, but in the general flow the meaning dissolves. "We will have everything, but we ourselves do not know how much, what and when."
  22. +1
    16 October 2019 23: 28
    Of course, I apologize, but Ryabov Cyril is impossible to read. some incoherent set of letters. which is repeated three times.
  23. +2
    17 October 2019 09: 04
    Yes there will be no T-14s. It's time to forget about them. So, until the end of time, we will ride the completely outdated seventy-two for fun even to the Turks.
  24. +1
    17 October 2019 11: 54
    take your time and calmly complete work on "Armata"

    and what kind of work is underway in Armata?
    in the days of the USSR, I would have no doubt that the necessary work is in progress, but now it’s time for accounting and budget cuts. What budget is laid for the development of Almaty? From the reports of the Ministry of Defense it follows that it is close to zero.
    The second point - Armata is largely equipped with imported elements, especially for electronics and surveillance devices. What is the pace of import substitution?
    The third point is the integration of Almaty into field military structures at a new information level (otherwise why is it all this new equipment on?). I have not heard a single word that at least some work is being done.
    The fourth point is car repair. Armata is hung with a significant amount of equipment damaged during shelling, unlike the T72 and T90. Moreover, this repair cannot be performed by a soldier with the help of a sledgehammer and a mat. In my opinion, this question is not raised at all.
    The fifth point is the testing and improvement of dynamic defense and other defensive systems. Silence again. How do you plan to protect against spikes and other systems that choose an attack angle (top or side)? Now Armata is uniquely vulnerable to these systems.
    And what do we end up with? the phrase from the quote above is just a lie. There is no work.
  25. +1
    17 October 2019 16: 40
    No specifics. Everything will be, but "approximately after 2020".
  26. +1
    17 October 2019 18: 05
    We must first determine the role of the tank and the nature of the future war. All these disputes stem from the fact that before you design something, you need to determine exactly what it is intended for and how you can use it with maximum efficiency. Serdyukov and Co. knew that military science should be destroyed first of all. There is no BTV Academy and many others where world-class scientists and teachers worked. The advice of American "partners" was dear to the army, they knew what to advise. That's all.
  27. -2
    18 October 2019 00: 34
    Make 10-15 T-14 tanks to delight the moon-faced and sun-like gaze at parades, and that's enough.
    Otherwise, the country on these expensive, but underexposed, monsters, will go bankrupt.
    Enough to rob people!
    And so the people are already saying with might and main that Putin's cannibalistic "pension reform" was needed only in order to build more "new" tanks at the expense of the robbed pre-retirees in order to scare the West. Yeah, they scared the hedgehog with a cactus! laughing
    And in the series it is necessary to drive "T-90" - the workhorse of the war.

    It is not for nothing that most experts on WWII technology say that complex and unfinished "Tigers" and "Panthers" overwhelmed the tank industry in Germany.
    And if the Germans simply increased the production of the "T-4" instead of the strain with the new "cats" of the Wehrmacht, then it would be much more difficult for us, because By that time these tanks had already been sufficiently modernized and were on an equal footing with our T-34-85s, and against our self-propelled guns and ISs the Germans had very good Jagdpanzers!

    So dear "Putin's team" lol laughing wassat , stop your ruinous country attempts.
    Start thinking with your head, and not with your vanity, devastating to Russia.

    "T-90" - this is armor, fire and impact force, in contrast to the day-off "T-14"!



    This is a "mechanized" guarantor of Russia's independence!
  28. 0
    18 October 2019 02: 14
    The main backlog of the t-14 tank is that it is very easy to make it completely autonomous and unmanned. Namely, autonomous military robots have a future on the battlefield.
  29. 0
    18 October 2019 11: 53
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Very funny, do you know the cost of both? The first buy because it is not expensive, but if they massively start to produce T 14, then will they lose T72 / 90 in value or become more expensive? If they lose, then they will be bought even more, or how?

    Nobody knows the cost. Including you. But to arrange competition on exports is a silly thing. Tanks, in principle, are needed for war on their own continent. That is, against NATO. For mass battles with the Abrams, things will not work, they will be burned at home on the island of Sarmati and on the way to Eurasia by Caliber. And T72-T90 will cope with NATO in Europe. In a limited war. For unlimited, you will no longer need tanks, but Iskanders.
    Armats are a good warning to NEIGHBORS. And the warning also works when there are few of them. They do not have such a quantity that can withstand .....
    1. 0
      22 October 2019 16: 27
      Tanks and Caliber, how is it? And the fact that Gasprom will break the ass to anyone who dares only think in the direction of NATO. And the same and one destroyer of NATO in the Black Sea, on a volley of cruise missiles, covers the volley of the entire KChF, you know?
  30. -3
    18 October 2019 17: 49
    I will reassure everyone forever: I had to bring to mind the T-95 !!! T-14 is a dummy that was taken into virtual production by intrigue or direct betrayal. Where and when the T-14 was REALLY tested, fired upon. burned, blown up, drowned, buried, etc. etc.? In Syria, participated in fights, for example? And I don’t really want to, but you can hammer nails into the lid of the coffin: Germany and France, according to various sources, are going to develop a joint machine with a cannon of 140 ... Any questions? Even if they don’t agree on a joint option, the production of any of these countries with a 140-gun tank puts FOREVER a bold cross on the super-duper advertised, raw and completely unprepared T-14. Over these decades, the T-95 could be brought to the most advanced machine in the world, which would be at least a decade ahead of everyone !!! Congratulations to all the traitors (and stupid decision-makers) with a victory!
  31. -2
    18 October 2019 18: 03
    I completely agree with the comments about the robbery of the people. He is betrayed and lowered with terrible speed. The tsar in the Kremlin is not going to touch any of the treacherous entourage and the oligarchs: the raven will not peck out the raven's eyes ... The main industry has not been Russian for 50-80% for a long time. Everything falls on purpose. But there is still something to rob and distribute to neighbors almost for nothing. So sing and continue the praises of the king, suckers and couch patriots !!!
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  35. -1
    22 October 2019 16: 20
    As soon as India begins to purchase this tank, in a couple of three years it will go into service with the army and not a day earlier. Interestingly, the engine was updated or again with t34.
    1. 0
      27 October 2019 02: 43
      The engine, of course, with the T-28
  36. 0
    22 October 2019 17: 11
    Quote: Ivan Gorinich
    Tanks and Caliber, how is it? And the fact that Gasprom will break the ass to anyone who dares only think in the direction of NATO. And the same and one destroyer of NATO in the Black Sea, on a volley of cruise missiles, covers the volley of the entire KChF, you know?

    You will poke your own wife.
    And here it is taken by you.
    I know. But if at least one of our or someone else's shell goes into business, it will not end. Will end with hell and apocalypse.
    That is why, none will fly to the target.
    1. 0
      20 November 2019 18: 51
      You are telling this to someone over 40 years of service and 5 years of real war, including in a fight, you will tell me the stories of a gray bull
  37. 0
    20 November 2019 19: 27
    Quote: Ivan Gorinich
    You are telling this to someone over 40 years of service and 5 years of real war, including in a fight, you will tell me the stories of a gray bull

    How is your participation in the wars connected with the plans of the General Staff? Even if you do not take on someone else. But, judging by your writings here, at first, your brain was badly damaged. Or, even BEFORE her.