Losers and strengthened. The military union of Russia and China is becoming a reality

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Cooperation between Russia and China in the military sphere is becoming increasingly close, and both countries are pushing the United States to strengthen and deepen it. Already, Moscow and Beijing are thinking about creating a joint missile attack warning system (SPRN), military exercises are being conducted between the armies of the two states.





Growing partnership


In recent years, Russia and China have reached a new level of cooperation in the field of defense and security. Relations between the two states are becoming increasingly close - both in the economic field and in the military sphere. When President Xi Jinping came to Russia in the summer of 2019, two landmark documents were signed - the “Joint statement of the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China on strengthening global strategic stability in the modern era” and the “Joint statement of the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China on the development of comprehensive relations partnerships and strategic engagement entering a new era. ” Their signing is evidence that the positions of the two states on a number of key issues, and, most importantly, on the strategic prospects for the development of the modern world, coincide.



Russia has become an ally of China for a reason. Economic ties between countries, which began to develop at a rapid pace in the 1990-s, are growing stronger from year to year. China benefits from supplying not only natural resources, but also technology and equipment from Russia. In the same way, China also plays a crucial role in the supply to Russia of consumer goods, food, and so on. The economy was followed by politics and the military sphere, especially since now both China and Russia have a common probable adversary. The USA also considers Russia and China as its main competitors in the military-political sphere.

In this situation, the desire of Beijing and Moscow to develop bilateral relations is quite natural and understandable. The more the United States imposes sanctions and trade duties, the more often it declares that there is a Chinese or Russian threat, the more dense stones they put on the foundation of the Russian-Chinese union. Now Russia and China are forced to think about how to react to Washington’s harsh and aggressive policy in the event of US arms buildup.

How Moscow and Beijing cooperate in the military sphere


Military cooperation between Russia and China gradually reached a new level by the second half of the 2010's. So, in 2017, Russian and Chinese military sailors conducted joint maneuvers in the Baltic Sea, the following year, China was involved in the strategic exercises "East".

In July of the 2019 of the year, the Chinese Air Force and the Russian Air Force took part in the joint air patrol over the waters of the East China and Japan Seas for the first time after the 1950-ies. These actions of the two countries led to an extremely negative reaction from Japan and South Korea, who saw such actions as a serious threat to their national security. It is clear that Washington stands behind Seoul and Tokyo, which is very concerned not only about the buildup of its military potential by Russia and China, but also about the developing military-technical cooperation between the two states.

Losers and strengthened. The military union of Russia and China is becoming a reality


In 2019, the large Russian military exercises Center-2019 also took place with the participation of the Chinese army. The PLA was represented by 3,5 troops, 30 aircraft, 900 units of heavy equipment and weapons. Bomber Aircraft aviation The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the PLA practiced bombing, dropping more than 150 bombs on the accumulation of conventional enemy equipment.

If we talk about military-technical cooperation, then China remains among the most important buyers of Russian weapons and military equipment. Over the past six years alone, China's share in purchases of Russian military equipment has increased from 5% to 15%. Moreover, there is every reason to believe that the Celestial Empire will continue to increase purchases of Russian military equipment. In particular, China was the first among foreign countries to purchase the S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile systems and Su-35 fighters.

Now it’s the turn of technology - Russia will help China create its own missile attack warning system, as stated by Russian President Vladimir Putin. Only one contract for Russia's participation in the development of the system is estimated at no less than 60 billion dollars. This is the development of software for a missile attack warning system, which will be created by Russian specialists at enterprises included in the structure of the Almaz-Antey Aerospace Defense Concern.

How did China plan to defend itself against a missile attack?


The development of a missile attack warning system (SPRN) is of paramount importance for the Celestial Empire. Currently, only the United States and Russia possess such systems, so China, as a third world power, seeks to create a similar system and get security from the risks of missile attacks from a likely enemy.
Of course, Beijing also tried to create its own WSS.

Back in the 1980 years, China made the first attempts to create a system, but then they were not very successful, although some steps were nevertheless taken. Now the Chinese leadership has turned to Russia for help, which has its own missile attack warning system and, accordingly, can help China develop the system. From Russia, China needs, first of all, technologies that Chinese specialists are not yet able to develop.

It is clear that following the development of software, Russia will also fulfill other orders of China in the field of the creation of SPRN. But the creation of a common missile warning system is still out of the question. After all, a common system is not only uniform technologies, but also a common command, a common structure, and so far they are not ready to go not only in Beijing, but also in Moscow.

Nevertheless, if the situation in the world does not change for the better, then China and Russia may well go for the creation of a joint missile warning system. In this case, the SPRN of the two states will become the most powerful in the world, covering most of the territory of Eurasia. Russia will be able to move the southern borders of the SPRN by thousands of kilometers - to southern China.

In turn, China will also be able to take advantage of Russia with its access to the Arctic. After all, the Arctic direction remains one of the most likely areas of attack by China by the United States. And Russia, which controls the Arctic, can minimize these risks in the event that the SPRN of the two states function as a single system. This point of view is shared by military analysts and political scientists in China itself. Moreover, the United States through its actions makes Beijing clear - a new and very active arms race is beginning.



Will partnership turn into an alliance?


At the same time, the military-political union of Russia and China has not yet been created. The purchase of weapons, military equipment and technology, and even joint military exercises is good, but it is not yet an alliance. Russia and China have no mutual obligations. But in the West they are afraid that sooner or later Beijing and Moscow will come to the realization of the need to conclude such an alliance and then a real threat will be created to American military-political dominance in the modern world.

There are certain reasons for the military alliance between Russia and China. Of course, China has a different ideological system, but on a global scale, both Russia and China demonstrate similar positions in most issues and uphold a roughly similar line. This already makes them allies on the world stage, albeit without formalizing such an alliance. If we talk about the military aspects of the union, then both Russia and China are focused on defense.

Moscow and Beijing are not going to threaten anyone. China generally differs for a great power in a very peaceful foreign policy. Unlike the United States and even Russia, China was not seen in major military conflicts of our time. But a peaceful foreign policy is not for China a 100% guarantee of protection against the risks of armed conflict, especially against the backdrop of growing US aggression, the spread of religious extremism and terrorism in Central Asia, and difficult relations with its southern neighbors - from India to Vietnam.

In such a situation, a military-political alliance with Russia would not hinder China, even if it was an all-out defense. It is possible that such an alliance will be concluded sooner or later, since it is beneficial to both states. Moreover, the speed of conclusion of such an alliance will depend on the behavior of the United States.

The more aggressive policies Washington will pursue, especially in the Asia-Pacific region, the sooner Beijing and Moscow will come to a consensus and decide to enter into a military alliance. So it can be said that the United States itself is pushing Russia and China towards a military alliance, or rather, the rash policy of the American leadership.

Who and what threatens the military alliance of Russia and China? First of all, the position of the United States, which now have a clear military superiority over China in armaments, will be seriously shaken. For example, a joint missile warning system will allow Moscow and Beijing to control most of Eurasia. Sino-Russian military cooperation will significantly limit US plans in East and Southeast Asia.

Other losers include Japan and South Korea, which are the closest US military and political allies in East Asia. Japan, aspiring to the South Kuril Islands and still not seeking to conclude a peace treaty with Russia, also does not like the prospect of an alliance between Beijing and Moscow. It is no coincidence that as soon as Russian and Chinese aircraft conducted joint air patrols, Tokyo erupted in angry tirade. Do not forget that China and Japan have long-standing historical enmity, the Chinese still keep the memory of the genocide that the Japanese invaders staged on Chinese soil in the 1930s - 1940s.

The military alliance between Russia and China will significantly reformat the alignment of forces in Asia. It is possible that other countries will also reach out to Moscow and Beijing, which for one reason or another depend on Russia and the PRC. For example, China and Pakistan have always had very close military cooperation, but Pakistan is a US military ally. Recently, however, relations between Washington and Islamabad have cracked, after which the Pakistani authorities have become demonstratively showing more and more interest in Moscow and Beijing, up to and including participating in joint military exercises.



As for Europe, the union of Russia and China may even be beneficial to it, since it will allow for conducting a more independent foreign policy from the Washington Regional Committee. If now European countries depend on the United States in making decisions, the new alignment of forces may convince Europe that American positions are weakening and we can think about choosing new allies and patrons.

However, while talking about the conclusion of a military alliance between Russia and China is premature. The authorities of the two states chose a waiting position, observing the international situation. Moreover, Beijing and Moscow, with all the seeming prosperity in cooperation, also have very painful points in relations, one of which is the future of Siberia and the Far East in the context of the ongoing Chinese economic and demographic expansion.
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  1. +21
    16 October 2019 06: 40
    China will strengthen cooperation only as long as it is FAVORABLE.
    1. +7
      16 October 2019 07: 37
      Quote: 210ox
      China will strengthen cooperation only as long as it is FAVORABLE.
      That is, until the problem of the political and economic stranglehold of the United States is resolved.
      very painful points in the relationship, one of which is the future of Siberia and the Far East in the context of the ongoing Chinese economic and demographic expansion.
      And we need such comrades, they sharpen a knife in our backs.
    2. +2
      16 October 2019 16: 48
      He's still an "ally". He smiles in his eyes, and his hands "rummage through his pockets."
    3. +1
      17 October 2019 07: 55
      Quote: 210ox
      China will strengthen cooperation only as long as it is FAVORABLE.

      It is interesting, and which countries are developing cooperation in order to harm themselves?
      I suppose that Russia also cooperates where it is profitable and with whom it is profitable. Ordinary pragmatism.
  2. +11
    16 October 2019 06: 41
    the future of Siberia and the Far East in the context of the ongoing Chinese economic and demographic expansion.
    That's the whole result of our cooperation!
    1. -1
      17 October 2019 07: 57
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      the future of Siberia and the Far East in the context of the ongoing Chinese economic and demographic expansion.
      That's the whole result of our cooperation!

      The results are summed up at the end. I mean, chickens count in the fall.
      1. +1
        17 October 2019 08: 36
        -Doctor, can I have a beer?
        -What beer !!!
        -And in the future?
        -What is the future !!! request
  3. +15
    16 October 2019 06: 52
    Oh, how we love to talk about partnership. And then it suddenly ends when the "partner" is not profitable. Right now I was reading the news that Gazprom had admitted that the Austrian company LMF turned off all its equipment supplied to Gazprom via satellite and it was dead weight. Therefore, the Kazan Compressor Plant was offered to introduce mobile modular compressor stations into production.
    1. +2
      16 October 2019 12: 04
      ha! ha! ha! what a news! it is necessary to advise the miller, sho he would ask for advice from ragozin (trampoline) wassat
    2. +1
      16 October 2019 20: 28
      Quote: Lynx33
      And then it suddenly ends when the "partner" is not profitable

      So the funny thing is that in the case of China it did not start .. But for some unprecedented reason, some of us signed China as allies .. China had enough time to demonstrate a real relationship .. and he showed .. Chinese banks refuse to lend us, citing fear of sanctions, bought our forest, which burned this year (and in the past) at bargain prices .. (the Chinese set it on fire) .. All that China does is smile and build virtual plans, under a glass of vodka with ice cream ..
    3. -1
      17 October 2019 07: 50
      Quote: Lynx33
      Oh, how we love to talk about partnership. And then it suddenly ends when the "partner" is not profitable. Right now I was reading the news that Gazprom admitted that the Austrian company LMF turned off all its equipment supplied to Gazprom via satellite and it is dead weight.

      Don't read Free Press. She is free from honor and conscience. This event happened already in 2012 during the tests, and the equipment was returned to the supplier. Here's what information Interfax gives: "Interfax.
      At Gazprom, the agency was told that in 2012, two mobile compressor stations manufactured by LMF, which were intended for use in the repair of gas pipelines, underwent pilot tests at the company's subsidiary.
      “In the process of testing, the equipment was remotely disconnected by the manufacturer, a potential Russian supplier returned it to himself,” they said.
      In this regard, the development of the same equipment of domestic production began, and a prototype was made in Tatarstan, the company indicated.
      According to Vitaly Markelov, Deputy Chairman of the Board of Gazprom, the economic performance of domestic equipment is higher than that of foreign equipment, and its weight "allows you to get to difficult places on the highway."
  4. +7
    16 October 2019 07: 08
    You should not deceive yourself much, China was, is and will be only its own ally. But to seize the moment and expand mutually beneficial cooperation is of course necessary.
  5. +13
    16 October 2019 07: 19
    Economic ties between countries that began to develop at a rapid pace back in the 1990s, getting stronger year by year.

    In fact, it happens like this. Political -
    allies, but trade is low. It is based on the fact that Russia supplies hydrocarbons to China (cheaply), and China to Russia - consumer goods. Today, China, the world's main investor, invests anywhere, but not in Russia. In Russia, it makes investments pointwise - in commodity projects. For Russia, China is a major partner, and for China, Russia is very small.

    With the Americans, the opposite is true. Political opponents, and trade - the largest partners in the world. Although there is a trade war, it is extremely important for both sides to maintain this level. Since we are talking about our own well-being.

    Summary. The war will end (China will most likely move in the interests) and as if Russia would not remain in the margins.
    1. -1
      16 October 2019 10: 32
      worse can be --ind !!! + Vietnam + Philippines + other trifle Southeast Asia dissatisfied and the further we go, the more we will not be satisfied.
      everything is good in moderation.
      how the Americans will unleash a "threat from the north" - from China and the Russian Federation.
      playing on the counter courses
    2. -2
      16 October 2019 14: 55
      Quote: Stas157
      It is based on the fact that Russia supplies hydrocarbons to China (cheaply)

      Where did you get that cheap?
      Quote: Stas157
      but trade is low

      More than 100 billion dollars. Do you think this is at a low level? With the EU, we have a turnover of 350.
      Quote: Stas157
      For Russia, China is a major partner

      By import, not by export.
      Quote: Stas157
      Today, China, the world's main investor, invests anywhere, but not in Russia.

      China ranks third in terms of investment in the Russian Federation for 2018, in 2017 it was in first.
      Quote: Stas157
      Summary. The war will end (China will most likely move in the interests) and as if Russia would not remain in the margins.

      What in your understanding will remain in the backyards or just to cry? China began a trade war with the United States recently, and trade with Russia is growing almost every year.
      1. +7
        16 October 2019 15: 46
        Quote: Sergey1987
        Where did you get that cheap?

        Read, they wrote about it, experts evaluated it. Putin talked about this, made it clear that the negotiations were very difficult at prices. The Chinese know how to twist their hands. But do you have some kind of version of reality?
        Quote: Sergey1987
        More than $ 100 billiont this is yours on a low level? With the EU, we have a turnover of 350.

        To evaluate more clearly not absolute values, but proportions or ratios. According to the results of 2018, China's foreign trade turnover showed a record 4,62 trillion dollars. The Russian part in it is insignificant 2%. And in your opinion 2% is that a lot? But for Russia, China is certainly a major partner - I wrote about it! But he only takes hydrocarbons from us (and instead of consumer goods). There is nothing to be proud of. Any Papuans can sell hydrocarbons.
        Quote: Sergey1987
        China in third place for investments in the Russian Federation for 2018, in 2017, the first was.
        Well, this is because little is invested in Russia. It has been trumpeted in all years that investments are made by the side. But Sergey, I wrote that China invests little in Russia. So much so that it is in the "penultimate" place in terms of investments with the "ally" of China. And if in other countries China invests in infrastructure, science, production, cinematography ... then in the Russian Federation there are exclusively raw materials projects.
        Quote: Sergey1987
        just to cry?

        Cry Sergey, cry. Scrapping a template is a painful thing.
        1. -2
          16 October 2019 16: 46
          Quote: Stas157
          Read, they wrote about it, experts evaluated it.

          So discard the link.
          Quote: Stas157
          Putin talked about this, made it clear that the negotiations were very difficult at prices.

          He said it was complicated, but he did not say it was cheap.
          MOSCOW, October 2 - RIA Novosti. Russian President Vladimir Putin called it nonsense to talk that Russia was allegedly in a weak position in negotiations with China on the Power of Siberia gas pipeline.
          Quote: Stas157
          And in your opinion 2% is that a lot? But for Russia, China is certainly a major partner - I wrote about it!

          This is normal, despite the fact that it is growing.
          Quote: Stas157
          But he only takes hydrocarbons from us (and instead of consumer goods).

          Hydrocarbons are only 60%, only machines and equipment for 2 billion, products of the chemical industry for 1,5, books and paper for 1 and a lot of other. To compare hydrocarbons by 25.
          Quote: Stas157
          Any Papuans can sell hydrocarbons.

          Well, yes, only Norway, Canada and the United States cannot be called Papuans, but they calmly sell and do not cry.
          Quote: Stas157
          Well, this is because they invest little in Russia in general.

          Russia ranks 17th in the world in terms of FDI.
          Quote: Stas157
          But Sergey, I wrote that China does not invest much in Russia.

          You probably don’t understand correctly what investment is. It didn’t just come and give money, it’s the construction of factories and just the construction. Or do you want it in the EU, where they just bought everything? At the same time, China is the largest investor in the Russian Federation.
          Quote: Stas157
          And if in other countries China invests in infrastructure, science, production, cinematography ... then in the Russian Federation exclusively raw materials projects.

          Again you are mistaken. In Russia, China will finance the construction of the Moscow-Kazan railway - $ 6 billion, almost a third of the total cost. Expansion of production facilities of the Chinese company Haier, which manufactures household appliances in Naberezhnye Chelny. In 2016, a refrigerator factory was commissioned there. In 2018, a home appliance manufacturer laid the foundation stone of a washing machine factory. At the same time, Haier plans in Naberezhnye Chelny are not limited to two plants. As a result, an industrial park of 127 factories with a total value of about $ 12 billion should appear on a site of 1 hectares. In 2019, it is planned to commission the Khawale Motor Rus automobile plant in Tula, owned by the Chinese automaker Great Wall Motors, which specializes in crossovers and SUVs. Another major project implemented in 2017 is a machine-tool plant in the Leninsky district of the Moscow region. Investments in Russian-Chinese production of DMTG RUS amounted to about 1,2 billion rubles, and total investment in production by 2020 will reach 8 billion rubles.
          Quote: Stas157
          Cry Sergey, cry. I will not mind here.

          Given your comments and not only to this article, then you constantly whimper about everything and everything.
        2. -3
          16 October 2019 18: 03
          what a noble castrolegolovy balabol :) I ride
        3. -1
          17 October 2019 08: 08
          Quote: Stas157
          Quote: Sergey1987
          Where did you get that cheap?

          Read, they wrote about it, experts evaluated it.

          They were not experts, but ex-farts. Turn on the brain. hi
    3. -1
      17 October 2019 08: 05
      Quote: Stas157
      o trade is low. It is based on the fact that Russia supplies hydrocarbons to China (cheaply).

      Armaments, military equipment, nuclear power plants, SPRN. Over 100 $ Billion Per Year
  6. -2
    16 October 2019 07: 32
    As if the Russian Federation, in which case does not throw the Chinese, this is quite normal. There are only the interests of their country. And no more.
    And to determine the long-term plans of China, just look at the map. All the resources that they need are very close, in the deserted east of Russia. Now we are selling them everything for the money that they have a lot of. But because they are happy with everything.
    But this is for now, and let’s see how it will be.
    1. 0
      17 October 2019 08: 13
      Quote: horus88
      Now we are selling them everything for the money that they have a lot of. But because they are happy with everything.
      But this is for now, and let’s see how it will be.

      Why look? It will not suit any of the partners, the trade will end. Total business ...
  7. +1
    16 October 2019 08: 01
    The situation is now that situational alliances are emerging! but everyone will "eat their own interests" ...
    And again, I want to remind ours, we need to carefully guys and no illusions / fantasies, the general interest only after their own!
  8. 0
    16 October 2019 08: 07
    Quote: I. Polonsky
    The military union of Russia and China is becoming a reality

    Putin and Xi Jinping have repeatedly stated (the last time Putin was at the Valdai Forum) that the new world is not built on alliances against someone, but on mutually beneficial terms, for the good of everyone. The author still has not left the paradigm of the old worldview, from the bloc consciousness proclaiming: "He who is not under us is against us." This scheme no longer works. Russia and China are building a new World, where the main slogan is: "Guys, let's live together."
    1. 0
      16 October 2019 21: 45
      They hear through his word, why be surprised? He said that he would not let Russians kill in the Donbass, all by ear! And now they whine that they are shooting at them. Listen carefully to GDP and you will survive until retirement if the deaf rider doesn’t kill or shoot!
    2. +1
      17 October 2019 08: 16
      Quote: Boris55
      Putin and Xi Jinping have repeatedly stated (the last time Putin was at the Valdai Forum) that the new world is not built on alliances against someone, but on mutually beneficial terms, for the good of everyone. The author still has not left the paradigm of the old worldview, from the bloc consciousness proclaiming: "He who is not under us is against us." This scheme no longer works. Russia and China are building a new World, where the main slogan is: "Guys, let's live together."

      Absolutely right! Because the World Nuclear Kirdyk will be an alternative to this. VJAK in one word.
  9. +5
    16 October 2019 08: 08
    From Russia, China needs, first of all, technologies that Chinese specialists are not yet able to develop.

    It is clear that following the development of software, Russia will also fulfill other orders of China in the field of the creation of SPRN.

    Not all Soviet achievements have been leaked to China.
    Something is left for now. But not for long, it seems.
    And the military alliance of China with the Russian Federation in the current conditions is like the friendship of Timur and Amur. For the time being.
    1. 0
      17 October 2019 08: 19
      Quote: Avior
      Not all Soviet achievements have been leaked to China.
      Something is left for now. But not for long, it seems.

      Soviet ones are already running out, Russian ones have been developing and introducing for a long time already.
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    2. 0
      16 October 2019 10: 20
      Since the early 2000s, the Chinese Communist Party has been banned from investing in Russia's processing industries. That is, this is a long-term, systematic approach. Unions are beneficial when kneading and two strong weaken each other. This is not there. Instead of a military alliance, several thousand specialist technologists for the production of consumer goods would be much more important to us now
      1. -1
        16 October 2019 10: 38
        "Now, instead of a military alliance, several thousand technologists for the production of consumer goods would be much more important to us." They are not needed from there - they are available.
        1. -1
          17 October 2019 10: 51
          Quote: Vadim237
          They do not need a fuck from there - there are warriors.

          we have few technologists, good, especially chemists, world-class engineers. Those that have mastered the technology of yesterday .... It's not bad, but you need to work ahead of the curve
          1. 0
            17 October 2019 16: 36
            In China, they are definitely not better than ours - engineers, chemists and technologists.
            1. 0
              17 October 2019 20: 26
              In China, the industrial boom, for many years. Still building, financial. There are factories that work there. And we don’t even have our own bleach, caustic and potassium permanganate. All this is now in the warehouses of the Chemical Reactive - Chinese. What do you think, if a specialist is left without work, for several years, how will he become a specialist ??? the same with engineers, we weave and barely manage to establish repair and installation of their technologies. Agriculture ... whatever they say about our achievements, but THEIR harvesters are better, and we cannot establish such a production.
    3. +1
      16 October 2019 10: 36
      And Russia also supplies heat exchangers, jet engines, CX products and even medical equipment to China.
  11. +1
    16 October 2019 08: 47
    Long live the RKNF (Russian-Chinese People's Federation) !!!! - This is a joke, but seriously, such a military alliance (where everyone is for himself, but together against the United States) is quite expected. And the more the USA will show to other countries that the USA is the master of the planet, the more there will be such military alliances !!!
    1. 0
      17 October 2019 08: 26
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      and long live RKNF (Russian-Chinese People's Federation) !!!! - This is a joke, but seriously, such a military alliance (where everyone is for himself, but together against the United States) is quite expected. And the more the USA will show to other countries that the USA is the master of the planet, the more there will be such military alliances !!!

      And Russia here acts as a moderator of the processes. It is practically impossible to gather such "friends" as India, China and Pakistan in joint exercises! But Russia proved the opposite!
  12. 0
    16 October 2019 09: 01
    As for Europe, the union of Russia and China may even be beneficial to it, since it will allow for conducting a more independent foreign policy from the Washington Regional Committee.

    Comrade author, is it possible to develop this idea in more detail? As far as it is noticeable today, Europe sees no advantages for itself with this alliance. But Macron, in general, for no reason at all began to court Russia. All major political scientists associate Macron’s activity with the EU’s attempt to tear Russia away from China. What do you see the EU’s interest in this alliance, how will it weaken Washington’s influence on Brussels?
  13. +1
    16 October 2019 10: 20
    friends? Yes, we need such allies to keep them at a distance, they will suck out what they need from Russia and then they will spit and grind (I have a negative opinion about the legal departments of universities in the city of Leningrad and especially the graduates of these departments)
    1. 0
      17 October 2019 08: 36
      Quote: Ryaruav
      friends? Yes, we need such allies to keep them at a distance, they will suck out what they need from Russia and then they will spit and grind (I have a negative opinion about the legal departments of universities in the city of Leningrad and especially the graduates of these departments)

      You would be better concerned with teaching Russian at your school. Just in case, I inform you, the names of cities, countries, as well as the beginning of the sentence begin with a capital letter
      1. 0
        17 October 2019 09: 37
        I have only two triples in the certificate — in the Russian language and literature, so I’m excusable
  14. +1
    16 October 2019 10: 28
    In recent years, Russia and China have reached a new level of cooperation in the field of defense and security.

    Which did not stop the commission under the customs union, where the Russian Federation plays a leading role, to introduce anti-dumping (read barrage) duties on a number of products from Chinese manufacturers, among which there are factories with state capital (the same tractor factory HBXG).
    In China, this move was perceived as unfriendly.
    Despite the fact that during the talks, the leaders of the Russian Federation and China smile and say nice words, this is done for journalists and the public.
    In fact, the unfriendly actions of the Russian government in the economic sphere against Chinese manufacturers do not go unnoticed by the Chinese leadership.
    The introduction of antidumping duties by the customs union commission on a number of Chinese goods, until the response of the Chinese leadership has triggered, the 5-year period announced by the customs union commission soon expires, but if it is prolonged, who knows what measures this will lead to from the PRC.
    Options are possible - for example, on the introduction of duties on petrochemical products (synthetic rubber produced in the Russian Federation, bitumen), agricultural products, etc.)

    So I would not talk about any kind of rapprochement - if the Russian Federation introduces unfriendly restrictive measures on exports from the PRC in economic terms, then the PRC is not so blind as to perceive the Russian Federation as a reliable partner in the military sphere.

    The economic weakness of the Russian Federation is becoming more noticeable in the world and China is no exception, when the PRC achieves technical development in the military sphere comparable to the Russian Federation (in 20-30 years), Russia will completely cease to be interested in it, unless, as a supplier of raw materials, it is an ordinary third world country.
    Unfortunately, it looks like this for now.
    1. -6
      16 October 2019 10: 43
      "The economic weakness of the Russian Federation is more and more noticeable in the world" And how is it expressed and who noticed it there? The country is a copying machine - in technical terms, it will always be backward from the one that catfish tries to do everything or almost everything.
      1. +4
        16 October 2019 11: 05
        Quote: Vadim237
        The country is a copy machine - technically it will always be backward from the one that is trying to make soma all or almost everything


        With every 5th anniversary, copies of military equipment in Chinese parades are becoming less and less - they are significantly behind in the aircraft industry in Russia, in rocket technology they are already very close, controlled hypersonic units are at a level, in ATGM systems are at a level, in air defense systems they are a little behind. Armored vehicles are better in SLA, in armored personnel carriers and light tanks - there are many original developments, especially the high-speed armored personnel carriers of the overseas landing force for marines - the fastest amphibian in the world, mass-produced. Tanks of the latest series are original designs. Wheel equipment - many times better than KAMAZ - more reliable and with a large resource.
        According to UAVs, they surpass 5-7 years.
        So I understand that you haven’t been to China at all. I use every visit to the PRC to visit museums, including military-historical ones, where modern models or models of weapons are also presented.
        You can’t even imagine how far China has advanced in some military sectors.

        With the development of two original prototypes of 5th generation aircraft, he gains unique experience, and in 10-17 years he will reach the level of the Russian Federation or higher in the aircraft industry.
        No need to tell me about backwardness.
        In China, there have been such places that who are even more backward - it would be better not to mention.


        1. +1
          16 October 2019 19: 21
          "Controlled hypersonic units - at the level" - You were not even shown them - neither the United States nor Russia, what do you compare with what? The country that has created hypersonic MRBM units and others will never put them on public display - since the glider itself, the air intakes wings, are a state secret. "Wheeled vehicles are many times better than Kamaz" - Who tested it? Most of their armored vehicles and weapons are cheap mediocrity, the quality of which leaves much to be desired, like the Type 96 at the tank biathlon, they buy jet engines from us, since theirs have a resource of no more than 500 hours, this is primarily due to incompetence and lack of equipment in the manufacture of blades and their processing, and this casts a shadow on metallurgy in general, including the quality of armor, and in mechanical engineering I "appreciated" their CNC machines - it was enough.
  15. NBV
    -5
    16 October 2019 11: 12
    Chinese colleagues here say this: Yes, in some places in Siberia people understand when they speak Russian ... Siberia is only politically owned by Russia. Geographically and ethnically, this is our land, and it is only a matter of time before it reappears in China.
    1. +3
      16 October 2019 15: 09
      Quote: NBV
      Chinese colleagues here say this:

      You can reference someone, when and where did he say that? hi
      1. NBV
        -2
        16 October 2019 15: 27
        Chinese colleagues in personal conversations. Here we have a factory assembling Chinese cars Great Wall.
    2. 0
      17 October 2019 08: 46
      Quote: NBV
      Geographically and ethnically, this is our land, and it is only a matter of time before it reappears in China.

      Yes you are a racist. Dreaming to freeze the Chinese in the Siberian exile No. negative stop
      1. NBV
        0
        17 October 2019 10: 35
        Was Dersu Uzala afraid of the cold ?! hi smile
        1. 0
          17 October 2019 10: 38
          Quote: NBV
          Was Dersu Uzala afraid of the cold ?! hi smile

          Do not confuse the Nanai with the Chinese. laughing
          1. NBV
            0
            17 October 2019 10: 45
            And what is a Chinese? They are a multinational power of many tribes and the nation and Nanai are one of them. They consider themselves Chinese. good
            1. 0
              17 October 2019 11: 05
              Quote: NBV
              And what is a Chinese? They are a multinational power of many tribes and the nation and Nanai are one of them. They consider themselves Chinese. good

              Well, actually we are all brothers, because we are the descendants of Adam. Yes Peace, Friendship, Chewing gum.
              1. NBV
                0
                17 October 2019 14: 56
                I agree!
                And now these three abide: faith, hope, love; but love is more of them.
                1 Corinthians 13: 13 drinks
                1. 0
                  17 October 2019 16: 39
                  Quote: NBV
                  1 Corinthians 13: 13

                  But do not forget about wisdom. The apostle James said: “wisdom, descending from above, is first pure, then peaceful, humble, obedient, full of mercy and good fruits” (James 3: 17).
                  1. NBV
                    0
                    17 October 2019 20: 46
                    РќРµ РїРѕРЅСЏР »СЃРІСЏР ·. РљРѕР »РµРіР ° теол РѕРі? hi
                    1. 0
                      17 October 2019 21: 46
                      Quote: NBV
                      РќРµ РїРѕРЅСЏР »СЃРІСЏР ·. РљРѕР »РµРіР ° теол РѕРі? hi

                      R R · RІRoRЅRoS,Rμ, SЏ RїRѕ RЅR ° F ° F "of the PS RѕRіRoRo SЃRІSЏS,S <C ... RјSѓS RμRЅRoS ‡ † P ... R'RμSЂRμ ° C RќR ° F RґRμR¶RґRμ> SЋR ± RІRo Ryo RјR ° S,RμSЂRo РёС ... РЎРѕС „РёРё, С З СЊС 'РёРјСЏ РІ переводе РѕР · РЅР ° С З Р ° ет Мудрость. hi
                      1. NBV
                        +1
                        17 October 2019 22: 41
                        I get it. When you come to Sofia, pay attention to one from the oldest church in the Balkans - Sveta Sophia the Wisdom of God. Basilica from the XNUMXth century. The city itself bears its name from this temple. Call - I will show and tell if you want.
  16. -1
    16 October 2019 12: 47
    I would prefer the other way around - to make friends with the West with all our might and to coax China together while it is still possible. China must be stopped for its own good. China must be poor and backward. The world will only win if China as a significant value disappears forever.
    1. Alf
      +1
      16 October 2019 19: 01
      Quote: Basarev
      I would prefer the other way around - to make friends with the West with all our might and to coax China together while it is still possible. China must be stopped for its own good. China must be poor and backward. The world will only win if China as a significant value disappears forever.

      That is, again, offer to carry chestnuts out of the fire with your own hands? And who will benefit from this except the USA?
  17. AAK
    +1
    16 October 2019 14: 16
    In any union there is a leader and a follower, in addition, the union is bound by certain obligations of the parties. In the alliance between the PRC and the Russian Federation, if it does happen, the leader, alas, will not be Russia ... And to become a "watchdog" for China in the military sphere or a raw material donor in the economy is not honorable ...
  18. -1
    16 October 2019 14: 33
    China cannot create a separate system of SPRN.
    Now he is interested in norms of relations, including in order to use the data of our SPRN system.
    If China has its own system, then another "lever" beneficial to us will disappear
    1. Alf
      0
      16 October 2019 19: 03
      Quote: Revival
      If China has its own system,

      After familiarization with ours, it will appear.
  19. +2
    16 October 2019 15: 06
    A military alliance in peacetime is unlikely. Mutually beneficial economic cooperation will only grow stronger. The United States owes the whole world, and if they decide to liquidate the creditor, then the war between the United States and China is more likely than the United States and the Russian Federation. When the breakdown in relations between Moscow and Washington began, mattresses were warned that the alliance between Moscow and Beijing would put an end to US hegemony. Cowboys did not believe it, but in vain! hi
  20. +1
    16 October 2019 15: 14
    Something similar has already happened in the history of relations between the USSR and China. No matter how Russia stepped on the same rake. This time they hit the forehead much more painfully.
    1. 0
      17 October 2019 08: 51
      Quote: NF68
      Something similar has already happened in the history of relations between the USSR and China. No matter how Russia stepped on the same rake. This time they hit the forehead much more painfully.

      Rather, China should be wary of this. Khrushchev, when he came to power after the death of Stalin, sharply aggravated relations with the PRC, which led to the conflict on Damansky.
      1. +2
        17 October 2019 16: 38
        Quote: Nick
        Quote: NF68
        Something similar has already happened in the history of relations between the USSR and China. No matter how Russia stepped on the same rake. This time they hit the forehead much more painfully.

        Rather, China should be wary of this. Khrushchev, when he came to power after the death of Stalin, sharply aggravated relations with the PRC, which led to the conflict on Damansky.


        Economically, China is already much stronger than Russia, and years through the 20-25 can bypass the United States.
        1. +1
          17 October 2019 17: 26
          Quote: NF68
          Quote: Nick
          Quote: NF68
          Something similar has already happened in the history of relations between the USSR and China. No matter how Russia stepped on the same rake. This time they hit the forehead much more painfully.

          Rather, China should be wary of this. Khrushchev, when he came to power after the death of Stalin, sharply aggravated relations with the PRC, which led to the conflict on Damansky.


          Economically, China is already much stronger than Russia, and years through the 20-25 can bypass the United States.

          How to look. You can produce diapers for hundreds of billions, or you can build super modern nuclear power plants for tens of billions. Yes, Russia's economy, according to the IMF for 2018, is five times smaller than the Chinese one, but rather better in structure. As V.I. Lenin "Better less is more." Moreover, the population of Russia is nine times less than the Chinese. In short, not everything is so simple. Dialectics.
          1. 0
            18 October 2019 15: 59
            Quote: Nick
            Yes, Russia's economy, according to the IMF for 2018, is five times smaller than the Chinese one, but rather better in structure. As V.I. Lenin "Better less is more." Moreover, the population of Russia is nine times less than the Chinese.


            A lot of Russia produces its computers, cell phones? Industrial equipment — here the share of China still 6-7 years ago was 12%? For comparison, at the same time, the German leader in this industry occupied approximately 16% of the total market in the world. And shipbuilding:



            https://sudostroenie.info/analitika/101.html

            The Chinese have not yet taken up the civilian aircraft industry. What will they achieve in years through 20-25?
            1. 0
              19 October 2019 05: 15
              Quote: NF68
              A lot of Russia produces its computers, cell phones? Industrial equipment — here the share of China still 6-7 years ago was 12%?

              So this is mass production of consumer goods. Sock production still compare. But the most advanced, most powerful and most reliable nuclear reactor in the world VVER-1200 can create only Russia. This reactor can provide energy to a small country or half a megalopolis of any country in the world. It is the most reliable and environmentally friendly reactor in the world.
              1. 0
                20 October 2019 16: 16
                Quote: Nick
                Quote: NF68
                A lot of Russia produces its computers, cell phones? Industrial equipment — here the share of China still 6-7 years ago was 12%?

                So this is mass production of consumer goods. Sock production still compare. But the most advanced, most powerful and most reliable nuclear reactor in the world VVER-1200 can create only Russia. This reactor can provide energy to a small country or half a megalopolis of any country in the world. It is the most reliable and environmentally friendly reactor in the world.


                And it all begins with consumer goods and begins. This is the basis. And China does not stop at consumer goods alone. Russia still buys most of the most advanced industrial equipment abroad, and the Chinese are rapidly developing their mechanical engineering.
                1. 0
                  20 October 2019 18: 20
                  Quote: NF68
                  Russia still buys most of the most advanced industrial equipment abroad, and the Chinese are rapidly developing their mechanical engineering.

                  In recent years, Russia has been actively developing its machine tool industry. In 2018-2022, according to BusinesStat forecasts, sales of metal processing machines in Russia in physical terms will continue to grow at an average rate of 2,1-3,8%
                  Of course, we are still far from China. In machine tool industry, China has overtaken even Germany, Japan and the United States. Russia today is at the 25 place in machine tool construction, but in purchases, including imports, at the 8 place. So that the fleet of machines in Russia is growing.
                  1. 0
                    21 October 2019 14: 44
                    Quote: Nick
                    Quote: NF68
                    Russia still buys most of the most advanced industrial equipment abroad, and the Chinese are rapidly developing their mechanical engineering.

                    In recent years, Russia has been actively developing its machine tool industry. In 2018-2022, according to BusinesStat forecasts, sales of metal processing machines in Russia in physical terms will continue to grow at an average rate of 2,1-3,8%
                    Of course, we are still far from China. In machine tool industry, China has overtaken even Germany, Japan and the United States. Russia today is at the 25 place in machine tool construction, but in purchases, including imports, at the 8 place. So that the fleet of machines in Russia is growing.


                    At best, Russia will take 25-30 for this. And then there is no guarantee that Russia will be able to do on its own. Do not forget that in the West there are no problems with the selection and purchase of the most suitable foreign equipment. Those. Russia is initially in a worse situation.
      2. Alf
        0
        17 October 2019 18: 39
        Quote: Nick
        Rather, China should be wary of this.

        What? Expressions of concern? Or a call to change your mind? Putin is not Khrushchev, nor Brezhnev, who in 1979 was not afraid to hit the table with his fist.
        1. -1
          17 October 2019 19: 29
          Quote: Alf
          What? Expressions of concern? Or a call to change your mind?

          For the very understanding: A sharp change in course in relations with China.
          Quote: Alf
          Putin is not Khrushchev, and not Brezhnev,

          Praise the Lord!
        2. -2
          17 October 2019 19: 54
          Quote: Alf
          Brezhnev, who in 1979 was not afraid to hit his desk with his fist

          And, damn it, in the end - came across fool
  21. -1
    16 October 2019 15: 18
    Russia has never had an alliance with China and never will. And to transfer such technologies and take part in the creation of a missile attack warning system to China (and at least to whom) is the bottom.
  22. +2
    16 October 2019 15: 35
    You do not need to lock only on China. A good relationship should be, but not at the expense of oneself. While we will be buying duty-free mass Chinese consumer goods, our own light industry and electronics will be absent as a phenomenon. And these are millions of jobs and economic growth. As soon as we refuse to supply them with gas and wood for nothing, as well as buy their chainsaws and children's toys (I exaggerate), all friendship will end. And the alliance against America is situational. In the United States, much is tied to China, their turnover is one hundred times more than ours, their quarrel is the dismantling of two men in the same boat, who should row next, and who should choose the net with the fish. Trumps will leave, policy changes in the USA and China we will not need nafig. Suffice it to recall how the United States was friends with the PRC in the Cold War.
    1. +1
      16 October 2019 19: 26
      You don’t say so to our lungs - it has grown significantly in recent years, and 190 enterprises produce electronic components in Russia.
      1. +1
        17 October 2019 08: 37
        I see this growth for goods in electronics stores. If 10 years ago at least something was ours, now almost everything is Chinese. Even our surviving industries have already moved to China
        1. -1
          17 October 2019 16: 40
          Our electronics are mainly sent for export, as it is much more profitable. Ten years ago, you could not exactly see ours. "Even our surviving factories have already moved to China" - Which ones?
          1. +1
            17 October 2019 17: 11
            Well, for example, our Barnaul plant Rotor. Produced juicers, meat grinders.
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        2. 0
          17 October 2019 20: 03
          Quote: Rimlianin
          now almost everything is Chinese

          If about consumer electronics and clothes - so they are almost all over the world - Chinese. Cheap and cheerful with acceptable quality.

          To compete in such a market is utter nonsense, and an almost certainly losing occupation. This is the alphabet, buddy.
          1. -1
            17 October 2019 20: 15
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            This is the alphabet, buddy.

            You tell the Chinese about this alphabet, Kitty. The auto industry for China is a new market, but they are developing it by leaps and bounds. And we surrender. Already on tractors they were always ahead, but now our tractors are almost invisible.
            And to listen to you, it's not worth developing anything at all - competition. Have you heard the proverb Kisa - "Wolves are afraid - do not go to the forest"? wink
            P.S. Yes, and marry your way, it’s not worth it - a passing girl and food in a cafe is cheaper! wassat
            1. 0
              17 October 2019 20: 20
              I didn’t call you ... with plumbing, I have all the rules, but with the economy — how can we sort things out without you ... otherwise, there’s a lot of squealing, and a little wool (sense).

              It’s unproductive, call request
              1. 0
                17 October 2019 21: 04
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                It’s unproductive, call

                Everything will be unproductive for you, otherwise you cannot. wink
                1. +1
                  17 October 2019 21: 10
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Everything will be unproductive for you, otherwise you cannot

                  In-in, I just about it. "The fool himself" (c) is the only level of discussion available to you.

                  Communicate, over there, with "svarog", with a stasik ... you are not interesting to me ... my friend request
            2. 0
              18 October 2019 08: 28
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              The auto industry for China is a new market, but they are developing it by leaps and bounds.

              For a long time they have an auto industry and, unlike phones, is developing very poorly (meaning the quality of the product). If you are really curious, then you can find information on this, when I became interested in Chinese cars and dug up information that, unlike the same "Huawei", their car should not be taken, I drive a "Nissan". Unfortunately, I no longer remember which resource, because it was not interesting to save. But you can also search, if you need... request
              1. 0
                18 October 2019 09: 43
                Quote: Tank Hard
                If you are really curious, then you can find information about this,

                Yes, I was interested, and friends at the service station are working. So slightly up to date with quality. BUT! Chinese cars of a decade ago, and today's - two big differences. Remember the Koreans, Hyundai and KIA - 20 years ago there were dumb cars. And now?
                Now the Chinese are wedging into a seemingly crowded market, and they are doing it very successfully. Sales growth proves this. In addition to the car market, there are plenty of examples when newcomers "tore" like a crowded market. But one troll claims that competing in such a market is utter nonsense. Trading in imported clothes, he seems to have become a huge specialist in the economy. laughing
                1. 0
                  18 October 2019 11: 33
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  . Remember the Koreans, Hyundai and KIA - 20 years ago there were dumb cars. And now?

                  IMHO. You cannot compare "Chinese" and "Koreans", even 20 years ago the quality of Korean cars was higher when compared with Chinese ones. I have a Huawei phone only because I feel sorry for the money for the same Samsung, I would have been superfluous, I would have bought a Samsung. So with KIA, I took a Rio in the KIA salon, drove it for 8 years, money appeared, bought a Nissan, it would have been more, I would have bought a Toyota ... So far, for me, China is a very economy class, and I see no progress. Here I am fond of knives, I decided to save money and took a Chinese copy of cold steel - "Voyager XL", the original is produced there in Taiwan, like the reviews are good about the Chinese copy, almost the same as the Taiwanese one, but it costs almost 3 times less, but the copy there is a backlash after some use (and you need to tighten the screw), but on the original made in Taiwan, there is no backlash, like a trifle, and I will not take a copy anymore. China does not pull for an "icon" yet, does not pull (and will it pull at all) ... request
                  1. 0
                    18 October 2019 11: 58
                    Quote: Tank Hard
                    I'm fond of knives, I decided to save money and took a Chinese copy of cold steel

                    I am also sick in this regard. drinks There was a "rat" and a kershik "groove", originals. Both have left this year. They whistled the rat, the mother put the kershik somewhere, and because of old age she cannot remember where. I had to order a chi rat. So - apart from the quality of steel (!), There are zero differences. But the price is 4 times lower than the original.
                    By car - there has recently been a car dealership in Tolyatti - the new Hawal is not inferior to the Koreans, but surpasses in some ways. hi
                    1. 0
                      18 October 2019 12: 06
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      So - in addition to the quality of steel (!) Differences are zero. But the price is 4 times lower than the original.

                      Well, at least they learned to steal (copy) more or less. Although again, the steel is not the same ...
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      the new Hawal is not inferior to the Koreans, but in some ways superior.

                      What is the first, what is the second, the issue is controversial and highly debatable. I think moderators will not support feel And so, if only I liked it. I don’t like it yet. But here, to each his own. hi
          2. +1
            18 October 2019 03: 27
            Have you heard about incentive tariff regulation? Chinese should not be cheaper than domestic, even if it is many times cheaper in China than ours.
  23. +1
    16 October 2019 18: 10
    Quote: Revival
    China cannot create a separate system of SPRN.
    Now he is interested in norms of relations, including in order to use the data of our SPRN system.
    If China has its own system, then another "lever" beneficial to us will disappear

    what are the reasons? or does a pan put on your head make it difficult to explain your meager vision of the world?
  24. +1
    16 October 2019 20: 22
    Russia has become an ally of China for a reason.

    No matter how it turned into an ordinary raw materials appendage of China ... feel