Ukraine started a cartoon war with the whole world
In Ukraine, the exhibition "Weapon and security-2019. " A significant event in the military life of the country. Achievements of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex on it represent 280 participants. It should be noted right away that someone has achievements, and someone has “achievements”. Ukroboronprom and the League of Defense Enterprises expectedly showed the most large-scale expositions.
And not all developments should be taken lightly, since in reality far from all Ukrainian military industrialists let the wind go, including still enough brains left for development in the country.
If you look seriously, tell me, can Luch design a rocket? Can. Yes, starting from Soviet developments, but we, in fact, are doing the same thing. So the development of the universal RC-10 is quite normal.
But today we’ll talk about abnormal development.
It will be about the development of the Kiev factory "Radar". Previously, the plant was called "Communist" for open sources and was known for its Jupiter tape recorders.
But, besides peaceful products, in stories the plant had very good developments: the Octopus search and sighting system for Ka-27 and Ka-28 anti-submarine helicopters, various reconnaissance and warning systems and systems for MiG-21, MiG-23, MiG-29, Su-24 and Su-xnumx.
But at the last exhibition, Radar boasted a completely different development. Combat artificial intelligence.
Looking ahead, I’ll say that the Ukrainians, no matter how much, have set about creating competition for the Israeli Iron Dome. Well, and as usual in such cases - you need to catch up and overtake.
So, as Vyacheslav Zelensky, director of Radar, told a number of media outlets, the institute developed a system based on artificial intelligence. This AI system allows you to almost completely abandon human participation in battle.
Artificial intelligence in the Ukrainian version, we already had the honor to observe. In the Verkhovna Rada. How they could adapt it to combat conditions is a very complex and not entirely clear question, but nonetheless.
The director of Radar believes that man is the weakest point in modern weapons. A person can get tired, it can easily be disabled, but a computer can work without fail, around the clock, 365 days a year.
Very, very controversial statement. From my point of view, in modern combat, just the computer is more vulnerable, because, in addition to the types of weapons that can neutralize both humans and computers (and they are practically the same), various types of combat methods have been invented specially for computers that are not dangerous to humans.
Plus the dependence of the computer on power sources. You can’t say to a computer, unlike a person: “It is necessary!” Take out and put the watts, otherwise there will be nothing.
But what is the Ukrainian system with AI in terms of combat capabilities?
This miracle of technology is called VisionerAi. It is a computer system that is capable of detecting, classifying and recognizing high-speed flying objects and armored vehicles.
According to Vyacheslav Zelensky, VisionerAi can operate with any type of weapon, for example, with a machine gun of 12,7 mm caliber.
In general, the machine gun caliber 12,7 mm - a serious weapon. But its danger for armored vehicles is conditional and is determined precisely by the degree of booking of this very equipment. And for working on "high-speed air targets" such a machine gun is even less adapted due to its low rate of fire. Checked.
Ukrainians believe that 12,7-mm machine guns controlled by artificial intelligence can destroy the surveillance devices of any armored vehicle, completely “blinding” it.
Honestly, some kind of vision comes almost from the time of the Second World War. Say graciously why drumming armor tank even with large-caliber bullets with the goal of "blinding" him? It’s a kind of strategy for the Papuans, to be honest, because in any normal army, instead of “stripping” a tank from a machine gun, wasting valuable time on it, simply and naturally slam an ATGM into it.
And all on this, there is no tank.
It is possible that for the civil war, such an approach, as voiced by the director of Radar, is quite suitable.
And what about the filling? It is also quite difficult in it. Again Zelensky quote:
Suppose a thermal imager on 15 km does not see anything. Therefore, we immediately turn it off and set it aside. This is a short range device. Like a machine gun, by the way.
Take the Cord. Sighting range 2 km. Effective a little less. The point is that the whole system can see something there with 15 km, zero. Anyway, you have to wait until the detected and recognized target falls into the range of the weapon.
Of course, if the observation will be carried out only with the help of optics, this is all right. Because if radars also work in the system - radiation sensors (developed by the same "Radar" at one time) have not been canceled. And the target may simply not fit the effective fire range.
In fact, everything looks even more humorous. According to the plans of Ukrainian experts, in a certain place on the positions you can put up to 50 machine guns or automatic guns under the control of VisionerAi.
All of these 50 trunks will destroy day and night everything that passes, flies, or passes within their radius of action. Like in some kind of fantastic action movie.
And a person who can’t do without it, will sit somewhere nearby in a shelter and observe the system’s operation using a tablet. And in which case, interfere with the system using a radio channel or wired connection.
Vulnerabilities - a wagon and two platforms. The radio channel is easily crushed by the same electronic warfare equipment. This, excuse me, is not Wifi in the apartment, here is the range (on 50 trunks!) And the power should be appropriate.
So - easily tracked and suppressed.
Wired connection generally touched. That is, a company of signalmen will still be attached to the operator, which under fire will begin to change damaged wires ...
It is powerful. This is not even the 21 century. Twenty third.
In general, a sort of fortified area is drawn, bristling with trunks, well, just like the Fortress in Rambo-3. And operators sitting at the screens and controlling the situation.
By the way, such an interesting question: who will change the 50 machine guns of the tape, is it also a computer? And the trunks if the computer does not hit with three rounds of ammunition and the trigger "clamps"?
That is, the company of signalmen still need cartridges. No, of course, you can build a tape on 500 +, no question.
But on the whole it looks doubtful somehow.
Actually, the carrier-recharger and the signalman - this is almost calculation))) What are we saving?
Well, the main question. I left it specially for a snack. This is the notorious reliability of Ukrainian weapons. Sorry, I won’t believe in the area stuffed with computerized machine guns. You neighbors, a mortar cannot make you shoot where you need to. And so far from the "Molotov" more of their own died than strangers.
And then suddenly - a computer with a machine gun ...
And you don’t hesitate to say out loud that the “radar” is now working to force the “Flurry” combat module to obey this VisionerAi. But this is still the 30-mm automatic gun, the 7,62-mm machine gun and ATGM. Allegedly, “Flurry” can be redone in such a way as to work fully automatically without human intervention.
Truly blessed is he who believes. It has long been known that the production of 30-mm shells in Ukraine could not be established. As, however, and much more. That is, all this will be charged with the same Soviet-made shells that are 30-40 years old ...
And for each installation it will be necessary to precisely set the technique that will deal with misfires and delays ...
Nevertheless, Radar looks to the future very optimistically. They say that VisionerAi is allegedly very interested in some Arab states, as it seems to be capable of destroying Drones. They even showed how the complex would do it.
The whole problem is that missiles and disposable drones, as in the case of the Saudi 14 of September, will not be painted, but quite real. They are not afraid of the cartoon.
It is very doubtful that in Ukraine they were able to do what, apart from Israel, no one can do it yet. After all, only the Iron Dome is capable of intercepting missiles with rather high efficiency (up to 85%), and it is unlikely that the Ukrainian system, being embodied in metal, can surpass the Israeli one.
In addition, it is worth noting that Ukrainians are going to connect machine guns to their VisionerAi. Maximum - automatic guns.
So if anyone is interested in such a system that manages archaic small arms, these are several other Arabs. Just those who have a slightly different tactic of action.
But then again, from the words about development to release, decades can pass. The fact that today Ukroboronprom, through the mouth of the director of Radar at the exhibition, announced the creation of a combat system with seemingly artificial intelligence, this, sorry, does not mean anything at all.
Why?
And what, "Oploty" - "Bulat" have already been shipped to all customers?
Here is the same thing with this VisionerAi, to which you can connect a bunch of machine guns.
Cartoons are great. "Kievnauchfilm" at one time shot very good cartoons. But alas, they’re fighting not with cartoons with various types of terrible weapons, but with weapons.
And not all developments should be taken lightly, since in reality far from all Ukrainian military industrialists let the wind go, including still enough brains left for development in the country.
If you look seriously, tell me, can Luch design a rocket? Can. Yes, starting from Soviet developments, but we, in fact, are doing the same thing. So the development of the universal RC-10 is quite normal.
But today we’ll talk about abnormal development.
It will be about the development of the Kiev factory "Radar". Previously, the plant was called "Communist" for open sources and was known for its Jupiter tape recorders.
But, besides peaceful products, in stories the plant had very good developments: the Octopus search and sighting system for Ka-27 and Ka-28 anti-submarine helicopters, various reconnaissance and warning systems and systems for MiG-21, MiG-23, MiG-29, Su-24 and Su-xnumx.
But at the last exhibition, Radar boasted a completely different development. Combat artificial intelligence.
Looking ahead, I’ll say that the Ukrainians, no matter how much, have set about creating competition for the Israeli Iron Dome. Well, and as usual in such cases - you need to catch up and overtake.
So, as Vyacheslav Zelensky, director of Radar, told a number of media outlets, the institute developed a system based on artificial intelligence. This AI system allows you to almost completely abandon human participation in battle.
Artificial intelligence in the Ukrainian version, we already had the honor to observe. In the Verkhovna Rada. How they could adapt it to combat conditions is a very complex and not entirely clear question, but nonetheless.
The director of Radar believes that man is the weakest point in modern weapons. A person can get tired, it can easily be disabled, but a computer can work without fail, around the clock, 365 days a year.
Very, very controversial statement. From my point of view, in modern combat, just the computer is more vulnerable, because, in addition to the types of weapons that can neutralize both humans and computers (and they are practically the same), various types of combat methods have been invented specially for computers that are not dangerous to humans.
Plus the dependence of the computer on power sources. You can’t say to a computer, unlike a person: “It is necessary!” Take out and put the watts, otherwise there will be nothing.
But what is the Ukrainian system with AI in terms of combat capabilities?
This miracle of technology is called VisionerAi. It is a computer system that is capable of detecting, classifying and recognizing high-speed flying objects and armored vehicles.
According to Vyacheslav Zelensky, VisionerAi can operate with any type of weapon, for example, with a machine gun of 12,7 mm caliber.
In general, the machine gun caliber 12,7 mm - a serious weapon. But its danger for armored vehicles is conditional and is determined precisely by the degree of booking of this very equipment. And for working on "high-speed air targets" such a machine gun is even less adapted due to its low rate of fire. Checked.
Ukrainians believe that 12,7-mm machine guns controlled by artificial intelligence can destroy the surveillance devices of any armored vehicle, completely “blinding” it.
Honestly, some kind of vision comes almost from the time of the Second World War. Say graciously why drumming armor tank even with large-caliber bullets with the goal of "blinding" him? It’s a kind of strategy for the Papuans, to be honest, because in any normal army, instead of “stripping” a tank from a machine gun, wasting valuable time on it, simply and naturally slam an ATGM into it.
And all on this, there is no tank.
It is possible that for the civil war, such an approach, as voiced by the director of Radar, is quite suitable.
And what about the filling? It is also quite difficult in it. Again Zelensky quote:
“The product is equipped with high-resolution optical devices, as well as a thermal imager. With this equipment, VisionerAi can detect an air target at a distance of 15 km and shoot any flying objects, including guided missiles and even projectiles launched by the Grad multiple launch rocket system. At the same time, VisionerAi can adjust its fire in such a way that the second shot will hit the target. Moreover, the ammunition will be spent no more than is necessary in order to bring down an object. ”
Suppose a thermal imager on 15 km does not see anything. Therefore, we immediately turn it off and set it aside. This is a short range device. Like a machine gun, by the way.
Take the Cord. Sighting range 2 km. Effective a little less. The point is that the whole system can see something there with 15 km, zero. Anyway, you have to wait until the detected and recognized target falls into the range of the weapon.
Of course, if the observation will be carried out only with the help of optics, this is all right. Because if radars also work in the system - radiation sensors (developed by the same "Radar" at one time) have not been canceled. And the target may simply not fit the effective fire range.
In fact, everything looks even more humorous. According to the plans of Ukrainian experts, in a certain place on the positions you can put up to 50 machine guns or automatic guns under the control of VisionerAi.
All of these 50 trunks will destroy day and night everything that passes, flies, or passes within their radius of action. Like in some kind of fantastic action movie.
And a person who can’t do without it, will sit somewhere nearby in a shelter and observe the system’s operation using a tablet. And in which case, interfere with the system using a radio channel or wired connection.
Vulnerabilities - a wagon and two platforms. The radio channel is easily crushed by the same electronic warfare equipment. This, excuse me, is not Wifi in the apartment, here is the range (on 50 trunks!) And the power should be appropriate.
So - easily tracked and suppressed.
Wired connection generally touched. That is, a company of signalmen will still be attached to the operator, which under fire will begin to change damaged wires ...
It is powerful. This is not even the 21 century. Twenty third.
In general, a sort of fortified area is drawn, bristling with trunks, well, just like the Fortress in Rambo-3. And operators sitting at the screens and controlling the situation.
By the way, such an interesting question: who will change the 50 machine guns of the tape, is it also a computer? And the trunks if the computer does not hit with three rounds of ammunition and the trigger "clamps"?
That is, the company of signalmen still need cartridges. No, of course, you can build a tape on 500 +, no question.
But on the whole it looks doubtful somehow.
Actually, the carrier-recharger and the signalman - this is almost calculation))) What are we saving?
Well, the main question. I left it specially for a snack. This is the notorious reliability of Ukrainian weapons. Sorry, I won’t believe in the area stuffed with computerized machine guns. You neighbors, a mortar cannot make you shoot where you need to. And so far from the "Molotov" more of their own died than strangers.
And then suddenly - a computer with a machine gun ...
And you don’t hesitate to say out loud that the “radar” is now working to force the “Flurry” combat module to obey this VisionerAi. But this is still the 30-mm automatic gun, the 7,62-mm machine gun and ATGM. Allegedly, “Flurry” can be redone in such a way as to work fully automatically without human intervention.
Truly blessed is he who believes. It has long been known that the production of 30-mm shells in Ukraine could not be established. As, however, and much more. That is, all this will be charged with the same Soviet-made shells that are 30-40 years old ...
And for each installation it will be necessary to precisely set the technique that will deal with misfires and delays ...
Nevertheless, Radar looks to the future very optimistically. They say that VisionerAi is allegedly very interested in some Arab states, as it seems to be capable of destroying Drones. They even showed how the complex would do it.
The whole problem is that missiles and disposable drones, as in the case of the Saudi 14 of September, will not be painted, but quite real. They are not afraid of the cartoon.
It is very doubtful that in Ukraine they were able to do what, apart from Israel, no one can do it yet. After all, only the Iron Dome is capable of intercepting missiles with rather high efficiency (up to 85%), and it is unlikely that the Ukrainian system, being embodied in metal, can surpass the Israeli one.
In addition, it is worth noting that Ukrainians are going to connect machine guns to their VisionerAi. Maximum - automatic guns.
So if anyone is interested in such a system that manages archaic small arms, these are several other Arabs. Just those who have a slightly different tactic of action.
But then again, from the words about development to release, decades can pass. The fact that today Ukroboronprom, through the mouth of the director of Radar at the exhibition, announced the creation of a combat system with seemingly artificial intelligence, this, sorry, does not mean anything at all.
Why?
And what, "Oploty" - "Bulat" have already been shipped to all customers?
Here is the same thing with this VisionerAi, to which you can connect a bunch of machine guns.
Cartoons are great. "Kievnauchfilm" at one time shot very good cartoons. But alas, they’re fighting not with cartoons with various types of terrible weapons, but with weapons.
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