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The main mission of the stealth destroyers Zamvolt is named

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The destroyer USS Zumwalt (DDG-1000) is getting closer to the beginning of a full-fledged service and solving combat missions, writes American analyst Chris Osborne. Meanwhile, the US Navy is engaged in combat use of such a ship and is working out situations in which it will be most useful. The goals and objectives of the destroyer are expanding due to missions that previously received less attention. Perhaps Zamvolt will even be able to change the face of surface battles.




Initially, the stealth destroyer Zumwalt was created as a ship for delivering land strikes using rockets and artillery. Progress in the field of weapons and technology allows the Navy to talk about the effective use of the ship in battles with other surface ships. A number of characteristic features of the destroyer allows you to review its purpose and role in the composition fleet.

A new type of destroyer is stealth, which will allow him to covertly approach the enemy and strike. The stealth and other new technologies used in the three Zamvolty can be useful in the conflicts of the next years.

A promising strike would be the AGS artillery with Long Range Land Attack Projectile (LRLAP) shells. The latter are distinguished by increased firing range and the presence of guidance tools that increase the accuracy of fire.

The capabilities of Zumwalt ships can be expanded through the use of AWACS, reconnaissance helicopters or drones. With their help, the range of target detection for a subsequent attack using the latest weapons.

Ships of a new type may be included in carrier strike groups. Here, their capabilities will be useful for studying the positions of the enemy or for delivering a first strike. The ship will be able to act covertly, without giving out its AUG.


A destroyer with high-precision weapons and a set of reconnaissance assets can be involved in a landing operation. It will provide coast reconnaissance, transmit data to amphibious assault ships, identify dangerous objects and suppress enemy defenses. Effective work in the coastal zone will contribute to a small draft of the ship. In this regard, Zumwalt is comparable to the ships of the LCS series, but compares favorably with their greater firepower.

However, the US Navy will receive only three Zamvolta, which seriously limits their operational capabilities. But such ships can inspire future projects of warships and become a source of innovation for them, although promising examples so far are only a figment of the imagination.

In the context of the further development of ships and their armaments, combat lasers and ship-based rail guns are considered. Such weapons attract the attention of specialists and the public, and in theory can be used on ships. Zumwalt destroyers have a special power plant designed to supply powerful consumers. She is able to work with fundamentally new types of weapons.


Shipborne combat lasers have already reached the test stage and will be put into practice in the future. The main work in this direction is associated with increasing range and power. The integration of lasers with radars and other sensors is also being carried out, as well as their inclusion in general fire control systems.

From the “VO” side, we note that not all plans and desires can be fulfilled. So, stealth destroyers Zumwalt can not yet use the artillery mounts AGS. A few years ago, the U.S. Navy abandoned the LRLAP shell because of its unacceptable cost, and other ammunition for the AGS is not yet available. In addition, the refinement process of the overly complex lead ship is again delayed. Due to problems with weapons and electronics, the achievement of full operational readiness was recently postponed to the second quarter of next year.

Thus, all plans and evaluations are again confronted with harsh reality - and the newest destroyer cannot yet fulfill its mission, whatever it may be.
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https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com, https://media.defense.gov
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 14 October 2019 15: 10 New
    10
    It remains a little, a couple of decades, and the iron will be fully operational, however, by that time it will be hopelessly worn out. ...
    1. maxim947
      maxim947 14 October 2019 15: 38 New
      19
      An interesting ship, a production culture on the face.
      If we did this, then the praises would flow like a river. All the same, his mattresses will be used somewhere, and they will illuminate it in Hollywood. But if drowns, I’m not upset.
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 14 October 2019 15: 41 New
        11
        Quote: maxim947
        If we did this, then the praises would flow like a river.

        The only question is - why? smile
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 14 October 2019 20: 38 New
          +9
          the main purpose of the stealth destroyers "Zamvolt"

          I think the main thing in Zamvolta is the development of new technologies. Naturally, "the first pancake is lumpy." But this is the first pancake!
          They will look at the operation and draw conclusions. These results cannot be predicted in advance. Unless it is possible to guarantee that, regardless of the result (positive or negative), the next generation of "invisible" will definitely be. This is progress, and there is no getting away from it.
          1. your1970
            your1970 14 October 2019 20: 53 New
            +6
            "The ship will be able to operate stealthily, without giving out its AUG."
            Most importantly, Zamvolt will not betray ..
            A crazy task ... would make it the size of a baby bath .... Given that it is plastic, not a single radar will ever take
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 14 October 2019 22: 40 New
            +2
            Quote: Shurik70
            I think the main thing in Zamvolta is the development of new technologies. Naturally, "the first pancake is lumpy." But this is the first pancake!

            Such pancakes, each in 7 lard, are planned 3 pieces. And what shock will they put there against ships and submarines? Axes again?
            1. ROSS_51
              ROSS_51 15 October 2019 07: 05 New
              0
              Not everyone .. The main ship of the series is always 1,5-2 times more expensive .. and with us too.
            2. your1970
              your1970 15 October 2019 12: 31 New
              +2
              To achieve a range of 148 km, the missile part of the artillery system active rocket had to be lengthened and therefore it does not fit entirely into the cradle of the artillery bolt. The Zamvolt gun for reloading should take up a vertical position each time.
              But the main reason for criticism from the Pentagon is that the cost of one guided projectile for the gun reached $ 0,8-1,2 million, and taking into account depreciation and maintenance of the gun, the cost of the shot reached $ 2 million. In other words, the Zumvolt shell became more expensive than the Tomahawk cruise missile, which has an order of magnitude greater range and power (weight) of the delivered ammunition. The US Navy command also doubted the LRLAP program and did not include the purchase of shells for the artillery system in the budgets of 2016 and 2017 and all three planned destroyers of the Zumvolt series are available only 100 shells issued by the manufacturer for $ 120 million in 2009 [."


              I can imagine how they practice firing ... 100 shells on three ships ......
              There is no corruption there, no ....
          3. EvilLion
            EvilLion 16 October 2019 08: 16 New
            0
            When the task is to build something experienced, it is stated that it will be experienced, and not a series, which then will eventually be reduced.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 14 October 2019 15: 59 New
        0
        everywhere there are papers and ravines - and how and when to use? Shoigu will be devoured for such experiments, and then he (the Ministry of Finance) for "striving for a new reality"
      3. Berkut24
        Berkut24 14 October 2019 16: 26 New
        -1
        As for the production culture, I did not understand. Especially in light of superstructures made of foam with a thin coating of composite and bonding with epoxy resins. What is special about Malevich’s squares and triangles?
      4. svp67
        svp67 14 October 2019 16: 29 New
        -1
        Quote: maxim947
        An interesting ship, a production culture on the face.

        I honestly don’t know, in any case, NOT BEAUTY, far from BEAUTY. So, the aesthetic culture of the Americans is clearly low.
        Quote: maxim947
        If we did this, then praises would flow like a river
        But what about. Success should be announced as much as possible. But outwardly they looked at least more beautiful, something like that.

        And I don’t know how to naval battle, but on the appearance of the ships, if the operation is successful, these ships will definitely affect
        1. maxim947
          maxim947 14 October 2019 17: 22 New
          +8
          I do not belittle our school of designers, we really build beautiful ships, but why in this case compare the finished ship and the layout?
          1. clidon
            clidon 14 October 2019 19: 40 New
            -1
            Due to the fact that "zoom-forms" are probably the future of our fleet.
          2. svp67
            svp67 14 October 2019 20: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: maxim947
            but why in this case compare the finished ship and the layout?

            And because, in this case, from warships more to compare and not what. This is not to be presented as a comparison ...
      5. knn54
        knn54 14 October 2019 17: 35 New
        0
        Pr Hollywood - "Lone Ranger". But in reality it will not pull.
      6. Nycomed
        Nycomed 14 October 2019 17: 46 New
        0
        I completely agree with you! Absolutely the same opinion! Only one thing: if it drowns, then without sacrifices. hi
      7. Rwmos
        Rwmos 14 October 2019 18: 49 New
        +1
        How will they apply it? There is no artillery; he didn’t shoot rockets. Will they be laughing?
        1. Gato
          Gato 14 October 2019 19: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: RWMos
          How will they apply it?

          Well, you can lease it out to Hollywood - they'll shoot some regular Sea Battle. Otherwise BB Iowa doesn't look futuristic
          1. Jager
            Jager 15 October 2019 18: 21 New
            0
            Only Stephen Seagal for the position of Coca do not let)) soldier
      8. 4ekist
        4ekist 15 October 2019 12: 41 New
        0
        From the side it resembles the Cheops pyramid
      9. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 15 October 2019 16: 30 New
        0
        You are our naive! Guano would pour on our military-industrial complex, which made an unnecessary device for anyone.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 October 2019 15: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      and the iron will be fully combat-ready, though, by that time, it will be hopelessly worn out. ..

      We also had such a misunderstanding of the IPC for a long time, as it was nicknamed "The hammer swam along the Volga" (did not walk). In short, he stood the prescribed years, and then "on pins and needles."
    3. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 14 October 2019 15: 43 New
      +2
      laughing as always with the victims of the ege and bots, the headline is contrary to the text, found ... and the last paragraph after a heap of water did not find a pier ...
    4. Yrec
      Yrec 14 October 2019 16: 45 New
      +1
      Our former Minister of Defense Serdyukov, probably, gnawed all the stools in the house from the sight of such a cut.
    5. lucul
      lucul 14 October 2019 17: 49 New
      -6
      It remains a little, a couple of decades, and the iron will be fully operational, however, by that time it will be hopelessly worn out. ..

      Zamvolt’s entire stealth concept was covered with a copper basin, with the massive appearance of drones.
      In fact - first discovered - first destroyed. And penny drones hanging in the sky 24 hours a day are much more useful than the multi-billion-dollar stealth Zamvolt technology.
      1. Good_Anonymous
        Good_Anonymous 15 October 2019 10: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: lucul
        Zamvolt’s entire stealth concept was covered with a copper basin, with the massive appearance of drones.


        [media = https: //topwar.ru/163464-novosti-proekta-zumwalt-dolgozhdannyj-final-vnov-otkladyvaetsja.html#comment-id-9763240]

        smile
    6. ROSS_51
      ROSS_51 15 October 2019 07: 18 New
      +2
      You can endlessly gloat of course, but we didn’t even approach such technologies ..
  2. Kerensky
    Kerensky 14 October 2019 15: 12 New
    19
    Fine! First we make a ship, then we think where to attach it. Invest a little more in advertising and design it as a dueling yacht for the oligarchs - those money for shells will be enough.
    1. ultra
      ultra 14 October 2019 15: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Kerensky
      Fine! First we make a ship, then we think where to attach it.

      Here the price determines the more expensive the project, the more lobbyists it has. However, capitalism.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 14 October 2019 15: 46 New
        +5
        Quote: ultra
        Here the price determines the more expensive the project, the more lobbyists it has. However, capitalism.

        Remember the times of the USSR, striped mattresses invented the SDI system, lards poured into it, the advertising was powerful with elements of intimidation, and then zilch, blown away. And no one asked where the taxpayers' dollars were spent, so the lards who were supposed to get the ocean yachts back, and everything will end up "zilch", were put on this "hammer".
    2. gvozdan
      gvozdan 14 October 2019 15: 29 New
      +1
      A duel in terms of who runs out of money before?
      1. bk316
        bk316 14 October 2019 15: 38 New
        +3
        A duel in terms of who runs out of money before?

        And the oligarchs do not have others. Even if they kill each other in a duel or cripple (well, there they put a bomb under the car) - it's all about money.
    3. Alex777
      Alex777 14 October 2019 15: 30 New
      +1
      Fine! First we make a ship, then we think where to attach it.

      When these ships were designed, they planned that there would be 32 of them. And for their new VPU they were going to make new missiles. And for 3 to make new missiles does not make sense.
      So now they think where to go ... hi
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 14 October 2019 15: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: Alex777
        So now they think where to go.

        And what is there to think, to remake in a casino, there will be no end to the people.
        1. romandostalo
          romandostalo 14 October 2019 18: 59 New
          +1
          Present to the "great sea" power. laughing
          1. Toptygin
            Toptygin 15 October 2019 15: 59 New
            +1
            Spare the poor fellow. Zamvolt’s service costs such money that in Ukraine the default will occur 42 minutes after its entry into the Navy.
      2. Gato
        Gato 14 October 2019 19: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Alex777
        for 3 to make new missiles it makes no sense

        Not convincing. New VPU only in Zamvolt can be shoved?
        1. Avior
          Avior 14 October 2019 20: 14 New
          0
          So far, only in Zamvolt.
          To the rest, the good old MK41
  3. stels_07
    stels_07 14 October 2019 15: 16 New
    -1
    Esm thought they would be more secretive than Sivulf?
  4. EXPrompt
    EXPrompt 14 October 2019 15: 17 New
    +4
    Drown with honor - the most important purpose of this iron)))

    Although if without jokes, spend 4 yards of dollars per unit - this is its main purpose.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 October 2019 15: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: EXPrompt
      To drown with honor is the most important purpose of this iron

      With honor, the ship dies in battle, and just flood, it seems like a suicide.
      1. EXPrompt
        EXPrompt 14 October 2019 16: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: EXPrompt
        To drown with honor is the most important purpose of this iron

        With honor, the ship dies in battle, and just flood, it seems like a suicide.


        And imagine how much it is to serve the trough, and it costs to maintain it in a fighting condition.
        It is much easier to drown with honor or without.
        By the way, such sobs are occasionally distributed among them, recently the B1B Lancer lacked money for maintenance and repair, they decided to partially cut the sides of the needles.
        1. Evil Booth
          Evil Booth 14 October 2019 16: 39 New
          +1
          fool so how so! He is useful! (no)
          1. igorbrsv
            igorbrsv 14 October 2019 17: 15 New
            0
            Yes, even needles will not come out very well from him. There is a lot of slag
            1. your1970
              your1970 15 October 2019 12: 22 New
              +1
              What nafig needles with polystyrene foam and composites fool
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 14 October 2019 17: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: EXPrompt
          Much easier to drown with honor or without

          Create a casino, you look, and people will do something nice, but it’s not interesting right away, but on needles.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 October 2019 15: 21 New
    +4
    A mistake worth eleven billion greens. And nothing. Nobody even scolded. So the money is still not a pity. They will also print wassat
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 October 2019 16: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      So the money is still not a pity. They will also print

      It's even easier. The Federal Reserve Bank, by pressing a few keys, transferred the computer to the Navy, where they pressed the keys and got it. And here the magic started to work, how to materialize virtual dollars into villas and yachts with the help of a key. Truly a "wonderland".
    2. Good_Anonymous
      Good_Anonymous 15 October 2019 11: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Nobody even scolded.


      They chided much stricter than even on topwar (and topwar is strict): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt-class_destroyer#Controversy
  6. Magic archer
    Magic archer 14 October 2019 15: 22 New
    +1
    Well, what can we do, the Americans have money to break in new technologies ... And in the end, they will invest more than one billion and bring the Zamvoly to mind. The first F-117 stealth was also problematic and scary and. But the next generation represented by the F-22 and B-2 was already much more serious, although the price tag is astronomical as always in the states. The main thing is to analyze their work and try to keep up with the F-22 and Su-57 hi
    1. EXPrompt
      EXPrompt 14 October 2019 16: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Well, what can we do, the Americans have money to break in new technologies ... And in the end, they will invest more than one billion and bring the Zamvoly to mind. The first F-117 stealth was also problematic and scary and. But the next generation represented by the F-22 and B-2 was already much more serious, although the price tag is astronomical as always in the states. The main thing is to analyze their work and try to keep up with the F-22 and Su-57 hi


      Is there anyway?
      They got a toad crushed, smart shells for zamvrolt buy, 800.000 bucks for a little thing, even for them a lot.
  7. Oleg123219307
    Oleg123219307 14 October 2019 15: 26 New
    +7
    That I don’t understand the word “stealth” in the context of such a colossus ... Is it somehow not so visible from the satellite? Does it give off less heat? Is her acoustics super-scientific? Or was the ESR reduced to the level of a tennis ball? But no. Well, let it reflect 20 times less radio waves, but let it be at least 100 times ... Firstly, existing radars are capable of detecting ships at a great distance and are more than 100 times inferior to it in size, I'm not talking about missiles, generally a couple of meters length and ESR like a fly. And you can see them all the same ... Well, and secondly, the detection systems, both ours and the Chinese, are designed for submarines, with which the radars are well, quite sad - well, less short radio waves do not go under water, they do not go ... But find the same. Moreover, the speech here was not about the use of missiles for 2-4 thousand kilometers, but about some mythical ultra-long-range projectiles, which will not fly further than 100-150 km simply according to the laws of physics - however, friction. And at such a distance against any more or less competent and technically equipped enemy, all this secrecy is nothing. Well, why spend so much money on it? As for me, their Arleigh Burkees are more dangerous at times. There are a lot of them, they have a lot of missiles and interceptor missiles, they are tested, the team knows how to use them, and they are easy to repair and dozens of new ones riveted if necessary ... That's the first thing to think about fighting this muck. And this ridicule, as for me, is just proof that corruption and budget cutting into miracles happen all over the world ...
    1. Arturov
      Arturov 14 October 2019 17: 12 New
      -3
      Quote: oleg123219307
      Is it somehow not so visible from the satellite? Does it give off less heat?

      in order to be visible, these satellites need to be launched in hundreds.
      Quote: oleg123219307
      That I don’t understand the word “stealth” in the context of such a colossus ... Is it somehow not so visible from the satellite? Does it give off less heat? Is her acoustics super-scientific? Or was the ESR reduced to the level of a tennis ball? But no. Well, let it reflect 20 times less radio waves, but let it be at least 100 times ... Firstly, existing radars are capable of detecting ships at a great distance and are more than 100 times inferior to it in size, I'm not talking about missiles, generally a couple of meters length and ESR like a fly. ...

      he has an EPR like a boat, here it is important not only to detect but also to select targets, besides this also complicates the placement of PCR by an order of magnitude.

      Quote: oleg123219307
      this mockery, as for me, is just proof that corruption and cutting the budget for miracles happen all over the world ...

      would you rather ask how many launchers this mockery has, and how many ships of the first rank of the Russian Federation were BUILT there ??? that's where the laughing stock
      1. Oleg123219307
        Oleg123219307 14 October 2019 19: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: Arturov
        in order to be visible, these satellites need to be launched in hundreds.

        Not necessary. On one satellite there can be a mass of optical devices covering, if desired, an area of ​​several million square kilometers, and in different ranges, in some of which even clouds interfere slightly. They used to watch films by hand, nowadays computers, even ours. And here, after all, you do not need a frame rate of 50 per second for each square meter and a resolution of one billion per billion. A scanning device that inspects and evaluates its area of ​​responsibility in 3-5 minutes is enough, despite the fact that this zone is 10-15% of the land area. There are only 3-5 such satellites; American ships don’t sail either in the Himalayas or in the Sahara or Antarctica ... But we have such satellites, or very similar ones.
        Quote: Arturov
        he has EPR like a boat, here it is important not only to detect but also to select targets, besides this also complicates the placement of PCR by an order of magnitude

        It seems that his radar profile, in combination with optical, sonar and infrared, is so characteristic that they rather made it easier for us to select ... RCCs have not only radar, but also radio command, infrared and optical seekers. So in real combat, they are aimed at torpedo boats, which, as a target in all respects, are harder than this miracle.
        Quote: Arturov
        you'd better ask how many launchers this mockery has

        He has many launchers, many. But the Berks have not so much less. But they cost 5 times cheaper. And they also have well-developed air defense / missile defense, trained crews, they have no problems with electronics, scarce spare parts, they have long been ill with childhood diseases, 67 of them are floating, and most importantly, their survivability does not depend on the performance of the main computer. They were designed at a time when it was still generally a toy. But in a real conflict it will affect.
        Quote: Arturov
        and how many ships of the first rank of the Russian Federation were built there ??? that's where the laughing stock

        Why do we need such a number of such ships? At least a billion dollars each, and this is in large-scale construction, and not including maintenance costs. States need them to control most of the world, conduct local operations against countries that do not have serious countermeasures, build a global missile defense system and escort aircraft carriers. If you try to compete with them in the forehead - the entire budget will not be enough, and indeed we have not had infrastructure for a long time around the world to ensure the combat duty of such forces. And to create now from scratch - and why? Take over the world? - God forbid, there would be to figure out at home what we have. Protect yourself from the USA? - so what do these cruisers and their fleet in general have to do with it, they don’t particularly threaten us. We don’t have any marine supply lines that we could cut, so to block our ports you will have to stick into the access restriction zone, but you probably want to live ... Their missiles are winged subsonic non-nuclear tomahawks and harpoons. With our air defense / missile defense they do not pose a strategic threat. The threat of their aircraft carriers, if all at once, but there are few other rules, and I don’t think that anyone would risk seriously fighting conventional weapons with us ... And with nuclear weapons, you and me and the Americans and everyone else on the planet in about 30 minutes 40 will be already deep down to the light bulb who has how many cruisers and destroyers and what types ...
        1. Oleg123219307
          Oleg123219307 14 October 2019 19: 26 New
          0
          Sorry for the copy, the site is buggy for something, I can’t delete it.
      2. Oleg123219307
        Oleg123219307 14 October 2019 19: 07 New
        0
        Not necessary. On one satellite there can be a mass of optical devices covering, if desired, an area of ​​several million square kilometers, and in different ranges, in some of which even clouds interfere slightly. They used to watch films by hand, nowadays computers, even ours. And here, after all, you do not need a frame rate of 50 per second for each square meter and a resolution of one billion per billion. A scanning device that inspects and evaluates its area of ​​responsibility in 3-5 minutes is enough, despite the fact that this zone is 10-15% of the land area. There are only 3-5 such satellites; American ships don’t sail either in the Himalayas or in the Sahara or Antarctica ... But we have such satellites, or very similar ones.

        It seems that his radar profile, in combination with optical, sonar and infrared, is so characteristic that they rather made it easier for us to select ... RCCs have not only radar, but also radio command, infrared and optical seekers. So in real combat, they are aimed at torpedo boats, which, as a target in all respects, are harder than this miracle.

        He has many launchers, many. But the Berks have not so much less. But they cost 5 times cheaper. And they also have well-developed air defense / missile defense, trained crews, they have no problems with electronics, scarce spare parts, they have long been ill with childhood diseases, 67 of them are floating, and most importantly, their survivability does not depend on the performance of the main computer. They were designed at a time when it was still generally a toy. But in a real conflict it will affect.

        Why do we need such a number of such ships? At least a billion dollars each, and this is in large-scale construction, and not including maintenance costs. States need them to control most of the world, conduct local operations against countries that do not have serious countermeasures, build a global missile defense system and escort aircraft carriers. If you try to compete with them in the forehead - the entire budget will not be enough, and indeed we have not had infrastructure for a long time around the world to ensure the combat duty of such forces. And to create now from scratch - and why? Take over the world? - God forbid, there would be to figure out at home what we have. Protect yourself from the USA? - so what do these cruisers and their fleet in general have to do with it, they don’t particularly threaten us. We don’t have any marine supply lines that we could cut, so to block our ports you will have to stick into the access restriction zone, but you probably want to live ... Their missiles are winged subsonic non-nuclear tomahawks and harpoons. With our air defense / missile defense they do not pose a strategic threat. The threat of their aircraft carriers, if all at once, but there are few other rules, and I don’t think that anyone would risk seriously fighting conventional weapons with us ... And with nuclear weapons, you and me and the Americans and everyone else on the planet in about 30 minutes 40 will be already deep down to the light bulb who has how many cruisers and destroyers and what types ...
      3. Oleg123219307
        Oleg123219307 14 October 2019 19: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Arturov
        in order to be visible, these satellites need to be launched in hundreds.

        Not necessary. On one satellite there can be a mass of optical devices covering, if desired, an area of ​​several million square kilometers, and in different ranges, in some of which even clouds interfere slightly. They used to watch films by hand, nowadays computers, even ours. And here, after all, you do not need a frame rate of 50 per second for each square meter and a resolution of one billion per billion. A scanning device that inspects and evaluates its area of ​​responsibility in 3-5 minutes is enough, despite the fact that this zone is 10-15% of the land area. There are only 3-5 such satellites; American ships don’t sail either in the Himalayas or in the Sahara or Antarctica ... But we have such satellites, or very similar ones.
        Quote: Arturov
        he has EPR like a boat, here it is important not only to detect but also to select targets, besides this also complicates the placement of PCR by an order of magnitude

        It seems that his radar profile, in combination with optical, sonar and infrared, is so characteristic that they rather made it easier for us to select ... RCCs have not only radar, but also radio command, infrared and optical seekers. So in real combat, they are aimed at torpedo boats, which, as a target in all respects, are harder than this miracle.
        Quote: Arturov
        you'd better ask how many launchers this mockery has

        He has many launchers, many. But the Berks have not so much less. But they cost 5 times cheaper. And they also have well-developed air defense / missile defense, trained crews, they have no problems with electronics, scarce spare parts, they have long been ill with childhood diseases, 67 of them are floating, and most importantly, their survivability does not depend on the performance of the main computer. They were designed at a time when it was still generally a toy. But in a real conflict it will affect.
        Quote: Arturov
        and how many ships of the first rank of the Russian Federation were built there ??? that's where the laughing stock

        Why do we need such a number of such ships? At least a billion dollars each, and this is in large-scale construction, and not including maintenance costs. States need them to control most of the world, conduct local operations against countries that do not have serious countermeasures, build a global missile defense system and escort aircraft carriers. If you try to compete with them in the forehead - the entire budget will not be enough, and indeed we have not had infrastructure for a long time around the world to ensure the combat duty of such forces. And to create now from scratch - and why? Take over the world? - God forbid, there would be to figure out at home what we have. Protect yourself from the USA? - so what do these cruisers and their fleet in general have to do with it, they don’t particularly threaten us. We don’t have any marine supply lines that we could cut, so to block our ports you will have to stick into the access restriction zone, but you probably want to live ... Their missiles are winged subsonic non-nuclear tomahawks and harpoons. With our air defense / missile defense they do not pose a strategic threat. The threat of their aircraft carriers, if all at once, but there are few other rules, and I don’t think that anyone would risk seriously fighting conventional weapons with us ... And with nuclear weapons, you and me and the Americans and everyone else on the planet in about 30 minutes 40 will be already deep down to the light bulb who has how many cruisers and destroyers and what types ...
      4. Oleg123219307
        Oleg123219307 14 October 2019 19: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: Arturov
        in order to be visible, these satellites need to be launched in hundreds.

        Not necessary. On one satellite there can be a mass of optical devices covering, if desired, an area of ​​several million square kilometers, and in different ranges, in some of which even clouds interfere slightly. They used to watch films by hand, nowadays computers, even ours. And here, after all, you do not need a frame rate of 50 per second for each square meter and a resolution of one billion per billion. A scanning device that inspects and evaluates its area of ​​responsibility in 3-5 minutes is enough, despite the fact that this zone is 10-15% of the land area. There are only 3-5 such satellites; American ships don’t sail either in the Himalayas or in the Sahara or Antarctica ... But we have such satellites, or very similar ones.
        Quote: Arturov
        he has EPR like a boat, here it is important not only to detect but also to select targets, besides this also complicates the placement of PCR by an order of magnitude

        It seems that his radar profile, in combination with optical, sonar and infrared, is so characteristic that they rather made it easier for us to select ... RCCs have not only radar, but also radio command, infrared and optical seekers. So in real combat, they are aimed at torpedo boats, which, as a target in all respects, are harder than this miracle.
        Quote: Arturov
        you'd better ask how many launchers this mockery has

        He has many launchers, many. But the Berks have not so much less. But they cost 5 times cheaper. And they also have well-developed air defense / missile defense, trained crews, they have no problems with electronics, scarce spare parts, they have long been ill with childhood diseases, 67 of them are floating, and most importantly, their survivability does not depend on the performance of the main computer. They were designed at a time when it was still generally a toy. But in a real conflict it will affect.
        Quote: Arturov
        and how many ships of the first rank of the Russian Federation were built there ??? that's where the laughing stock

        Why do we need such a number of such ships? At least a billion dollars each, and this is in large-scale construction, and not including maintenance costs. States need them to control most of the world, conduct local operations against countries that do not have serious countermeasures, build a global missile defense system and escort aircraft carriers. If you try to compete with them in the forehead - the entire budget will not be enough, and indeed we have not had infrastructure for a long time around the world to ensure the combat duty of such forces. And to create now from scratch - and why? Take over the world? - God forbid, there would be to figure out at home what we have. Protect yourself from the USA? - so what do these cruisers and their fleet in general have to do with it, they don’t particularly threaten us. We don’t have any marine supply lines that we could cut, so to block our ports you will have to stick into the access restriction zone, but you probably want to live ... Their missiles are winged subsonic non-nuclear tomahawks and harpoons. With our air defense / missile defense they do not pose a strategic threat. The threat of their aircraft carriers, if all at once, but there are few other rules, and I don’t think that anyone would risk seriously fighting conventional weapons with us ... And with nuclear weapons, you and me and the Americans and everyone else on the planet in about 30 minutes 40 will be already deep down to the light bulb who has how many cruisers and destroyers and what types ...
    2. Good_Anonymous
      Good_Anonymous 15 October 2019 11: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: oleg123219307
      some mythical ultra-long-range shells that will not fly away further than 100-150 km simply according to the laws of physics - however, friction.


      Physics does not prohibit this. The Colossal cannon fired at 130 km (this is the First World War).
      1. Oleg123219307
        Oleg123219307 15 October 2019 13: 45 New
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        Well, I wrote - 100-150. Further, either an active rocket or a ballistic transatmospheric trajectory. The first one is generally the same missile, with the same pros and cons, only less maneuverable and with a higher trajectory that simplifies detection, but I first heard about ballistic transatmospheric shells only in theory, there were a couple of developments, but they closed due to a bunch of problems and secondly, they are again inferior in all respects to aeroballistic missiles such as Iskander, however, copying all their shortcomings. And artillery was originally designed to be closed for the sake of economy, I don’t think that the tsar’s cannon with a range of 2000 km through the orbit will be built there ...
        1. Good_Anonymous
          Good_Anonymous 15 October 2019 20: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: oleg123219307
          Well, I wrote - 100-150


          Well, that is, physics does not prohibit the range of the Zumwalt gun, which was planned at 150 km.

          Quote: oleg123219307
          Further, either an active rocket or a ballistic transatmospheric trajectory.


          LRLAP and was reactive. And a hundred years ago, Collosal was already throwing a shell into the atmosphere. So, if there are physical prohibitions on the range of naval artillery, they are still far away.
          1. Oleg123219307
            Oleg123219307 15 October 2019 21: 29 New
            0
            Quote: Good_Anonymous
            Well, that is, physics does not prohibit the range of the Zumwalt gun, which was planned at 150 km.

            150 does not prohibit. Although this is at the limit of profitability. Only sense to 150 km from a stealth that? Over 150 km, they will see radars and a fly on the water, not like a colossus ... There was talk of 500 km, but this is already fantastic for the reasons described above.
            Quote: Good_Anonymous
            LRLAP and was reactive. And a hundred years ago, Collosal was already throwing a shell into the atmosphere. So, if there are physical prohibitions on the range of naval artillery, they are still far away.

            The key is ship. It’s not that easy to make a 35 meter trunk. And the loads of such a shot will flatten the electronics of the projectile control systems a little. This can be solved, and active-reactive one, and tungsten molybdenum alloys instead of duralumin, and electronics are 100 times stronger as on the A-235, only a gold shell will come out. For the sake of economy, they wanted to do just artillery, they say rockets are expensive, but here the secrecy and cheapness against the Papuans ... But it did not work out.
            1. Good_Anonymous
              Good_Anonymous 15 October 2019 21: 58 New
              -1
              Quote: oleg123219307
              Only sense to 150 km from a stealth that? Over 150 km radars and a fly on the water will see


              What radars? Terrestrial will not see anything at all - this is beyond the radio horizon. Whether Zumwalt will see an aircraft radar - HZ depends on the radar and on the (secret) EPR of Zumwalt.

              Quote: oleg123219307
              And the loads of such a shot will flatten the electronics of the projectile control systems a little.


              And they didn’t flatten it during the tests, it’s strange.

              Quote: oleg123219307
              For the sake of economy, they wanted to do just artillery, they say rockets are expensive, but here the secrecy and cheapness against the Papuans ... But it did not work out.


              Yes, with an epic cannon fail. But one of the following attempts will succeed.
              1. Oleg123219307
                Oleg123219307 15 October 2019 22: 11 New
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                Quote: Good_Anonymous
                What radars? Terrestrial will not see anything at all - this is beyond the radio horizon. Whether Zumwalt will see an aircraft radar - HZ depends on the radar and on the (secret) EPR of Zumwalt

                Well, there are also over-the-horizon radars ... And since airborne ones, of course, since they detect a plane for 400-500 km, how much you can do with an EPR cruiser can’t do any less.
                Quote: Good_Anonymous
                And they didn’t flatten it during the tests, it’s strange.

                Quote: oleg123219307
                This can be solved, and active-reactive one, and tungsten molybdenum alloys instead of duralumin, and electronics are 100 times stronger as on the A-235, only a gold shell will come out.

                According to various sources, from 800 thousand to 2 lyamas per shell ... That's why the file ...
                1. Good_Anonymous
                  Good_Anonymous 15 October 2019 22: 14 New
                  -1
                  Quote: oleg123219307
                  Well, there are also radars beyond the horizon ...


                  Zagorizontny will say "there is something out there somewhere."

                  Quote: oleg123219307
                  aviation, of course, since they detect a plane for 400-500 km


                  The advertisement reads "Zumwalt EPR - like a fishing schooner", so I would not be sure that even AWACS would be able to reliably identify it.
                  1. Oleg123219307
                    Oleg123219307 15 October 2019 23: 34 New
                    0
                    Quote: Good_Anonymous
                    Zagorizontny will say "there is something out there somewhere."

                    And the satellite according to these data will see what exactly ...
                    Quote: Good_Anonymous
                    The advertisement reads "Zumwalt EPR - like a fishing schooner", so I would not be sure that even AWACS would be able to reliably identify it.

                    The schooner is visible. The torpedo boat is visible. Even a cruise missile, and that one is visible. So the question is not in visibility itself, but in reliable identification. Such a ship probably does not match the reflection profiles in different ranges. And if the over-horizon decameter range radar sees something big somewhere, the AWACS sees something the size of a schooner in the centimeter range, and with a cruiser in the meter, but not so accurately, and the satellite sees everything as it is, then the secrecy is so-so ... But against the Papuans with radars only on the shore and ships, and in the centimeter ranges, that’s it. Then it was done, but it turned out to be expensive for the Papuans. Why are we thinking about this unclear - the toy is not against us. AUG with good cover, raised by aircraft with strategic missiles and cover fighters, dispersed into an anti-nuclear warrant and with 2-3 submarines - this is a difficult, dangerous and priority goal for our systems.
                    1. Good_Anonymous
                      Good_Anonymous 15 October 2019 23: 45 New
                      0
                      Quote: oleg123219307
                      Quote: Good_Anonymous
                      Zagorizontny will say "there is something out there somewhere."

                      And the satellite according to these data will see what exactly ...


                      At the next round. If the orbit lies successfully. After which the ship will move to the side (the satellite is generally a very predictable thing).

                      Quote: oleg123219307
                      the decameter range overseas radar sees something big somewhere, AWACS sees something the size of a schooner in the centimeter range, and with a cruiser in the meter, but not so accurately, and the satellite sees everything as it is, then the secrecy is so-so ...


                      Stealth is better than other ships.
                      1. Oleg123219307
                        Oleg123219307 16 October 2019 01: 13 New
                        0
                        Quote: Good_Anonymous
                        At the next round. If the orbit lies successfully.

                        Geosynchronous ...
                        Quote: Good_Anonymous
                        Stealth is better than other ships.

                        I agree. But it won’t help against us or the Chinese, and against the rest of the American flag in the stern it’s enough so that they don’t risk shooting ... They apparently realized this themselves once they froze the program.
                      2. Good_Anonymous
                        Good_Anonymous 16 October 2019 01: 26 New
                        -1
                        Quote: oleg123219307
                        Quote: Good_Anonymous
                        At the next round. If the orbit lies successfully.

                        Geosynchronous ...


                        Intelligence satellite? In geosynchronous orbit? Not to mention the range (35 thousand km) - why do you need to constantly look at one point on the Earth?
  • Amateur
    Amateur 14 October 2019 15: 31 New
    +2
    A new type of destroyer is stealth, which will allow him to covertly approach the enemy and strike.

    Wake trail, infrared trail - all missing? In the optical range, it is also not visible: "Do you see Zamwalt? No. And I do not see. But he is!"
    Well, straight "Elusive Joe" wassat
    1. bk316
      bk316 14 October 2019 15: 41 New
      +2
      Wake trace, infrared trace - is everything missing?

      Yes, that’s all garbage. He’s a cannon destroyer - he will be spotted after the first shot by an ordinary artillery reconnaissance station.
  • Rwmos
    Rwmos 14 October 2019 15: 36 New
    +1
    Yes, I also love jokes laughing For example, about the stealth of these Zyam, despite the fact that already in the second trough in the series they sent a superstructure of balsa to the forest, about which, when the first iron was lowered, they moaned that it basically gave such a funky stealth ...
    About changing the appearance of battles with the help of Zam - here I believe it. Will go to ram. Otherwise, how? Is there at least one shooting video from Zyama? Though from a slingshot? No? Neither shells nor rockets? They didn’t even draw a cartoon? Did you manage the picture in the advertising booklet? Well then - to ram! laughing laughing laughing
    1. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 14 October 2019 15: 46 New
      0
      angry the laser from the ship it is in the focus on a fixed inflatable boat to make a flame on the chair for half an hour so that it can light up and there is no wind and heat ... and all sorts of railguns bring energy to the target less than a 100mm gun, and this is energy and not a projectile that will hit by an explosion still naturally thousands and thousands of times more than an explosion than a blow. well, there the fragments will pierce these cardboard boxes right through with fires
  • Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 14 October 2019 15: 49 New
    +4
    The main mission of the stealth destroyers Zamvolt is called - to shock the enemy with his appearance belay ! And while the enemy is thinking - "Strange, how does this iron not sink?" what Aviation or other, normal, Navy ships will get involved.
  • Rostislav Bely
    Rostislav Bely 14 October 2019 15: 59 New
    +2

    Shipborne combat lasers have already reached the test stage and will be put into practice in the future. The main work in this direction is associated with increasing range and power. The integration of lasers with radars and other sensors is also being carried out, as well as their inclusion in general fire control systems.

    watch the laser video

    even in Soviet times, we burned (instantly) a few tens of kilometers of a target (sheet of metal 3 cm), even told a helicopter on autopilot (4 m from the surface) we burned it in tests - and now Peresvet has already solved the energy supply problem ...
    1. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 14 October 2019 16: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Rostislav Bely
      more

      in the 60s! they shot down planes with a laser, destroying the wing, could damage satellites with rays, there was a plasma pro on a new land for 2000 km and no targets to heat and missile defense, there was also in Japan in World War II that the type of infrared guns with a flamethrower range and they themselves with large bunkers worked (purely technical ....).
      1. Rostislav Bely
        Rostislav Bely 14 October 2019 17: 34 New
        0
        "we have no blacks tractor drivers" (c)
        I don’t know about the new land, I’m talking about the middle lane where I collect mushrooms ... they didn’t heat the targets, but burned them instantly, like a helicopter in the engine area, through hissing, and then the sound is heard far behind the cordon, as I understand the resonance from temperature differences in the target ...
        About satellites, in my opinion, during the time of Ustinov, their shuttles in orbit stopped simulating a maneuver to drop nuclear weapons - they disabled their equipment, an object in the mountains of Central Asia (a warning, but they could have shot it down - it’s clear there all year round))))
  • Agronom
    Agronom 14 October 2019 16: 01 New
    0
    Dear iron ... Oh, if our designers had the money, I’m sure that such a handsome menacing men would have been rebuilt! But alas ..
  • Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 14 October 2019 16: 02 New
    +1
    It cost 4,4 billion in 2016, and even now it is not really ready. It was easier to modernize the Missouri.
  • bars1
    bars1 14 October 2019 16: 33 New
    0
    Why guess something ?! It will be the next guard of aircraft carriers, an expensive analogue of Ticonderoge.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 14 October 2019 16: 35 New
    +1
    The main mission of the stealth destroyers Zamvolt is named
    The main purpose is to scare disobedient children. A little more, a little more, 2-3 lard and it will float.
    1. Rwmos
      Rwmos 14 October 2019 17: 36 New
      0
      The iron was lowered into the water, the car went into space, the Boeing plane was re-qualified as a submarine near Jakarta. It’s directly interesting what they have next in the program?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 14 October 2019 18: 04 New
    +2
    Most importantly, those who will ... drown him should know that he is so invisible, advanced, in short, the most!
    1. Arturov
      Arturov 14 October 2019 19: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      Most importantly, those who will ... drown him should know that he is so invisible, advanced, in short, the most!

      the main thing that those who were going to drown it was than to drown it laughing
    2. Gato
      Gato 14 October 2019 19: 48 New
      +1
      Yes, it’s just as fun to smash the brand new Porschak slowly and tastefully wassat
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 October 2019 21: 25 New
        +1
        A hundred other pistons and all at once.
  • Gato
    Gato 14 October 2019 19: 46 New
    +1
    Hm .. When Fischer built the Dreadnought at one time, the British fellomorphized for a long time on two points:
    1. From its astronomical value
    2. From the fact that all the other battleships at once turned out to be obsolete junk
    And the Americans with Zamvolt so far have only the first point.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 15 October 2019 06: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Gato
      And the Americans with Zamvolt so far have only the first point.

      They are, of course, rich Pinocchio, they allow themselves a lot! And no matter how anyone thinks, negative experience is also useful .... but spending such money once, again, and again, even for a "useful" experiment, is too much ... or utter nonsense!
      Something like this.
      1. Gato
        Gato 16 October 2019 00: 51 New
        +2
        such grandmas spend

        If someone spends, then someone earns. The law of conservation is well!
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 16 October 2019 05: 05 New
          0
          Quote: Gato
          such grandmas spend

          If someone spends, then someone earns. The law of conservation is well!

          Stole, robbed, robbed. the law of striping, there.
  • rruvim
    rruvim 14 October 2019 19: 53 New
    0
    The idea of ​​floating "servers" is utopian in itself. One powerful EMP shot (explosion) and this "processor" on the water will become useless. More or less countries are actively working on weapons with EMP. There is also a question about "stealth". ZUMVOLT is saturated with all sorts of APHARS and various transmitting and receiving means, "phonit" and "glows" like a Christmas tree for any passive direction finder, whether on land or in the sea, that the IL-38 is in the air, that (I hope if it has) Reconnaissance satellites. It is quite possible to launch the X-58s on the radiation of the "iron", you won't miss ...
    1. Good_Anonymous
      Good_Anonymous 15 October 2019 10: 32 New
      0
      Quote: rruvim
      The idea of ​​floating "servers" is utopian in itself.


      All modern ships are such "servers".

      Quote: rruvim
      One powerful EMP shot (explosion) and this "processor" on the water will become useless.


      The equipment is naturally shielded. The power of EMP is greatly exaggerated.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 14 October 2019 19: 53 New
    0
    The author forgot to mention that the main problem of Zumwalt is its space price, even for the USA it is prohibitive.
    1. Arturov
      Arturov 15 October 2019 02: 30 New
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      The author forgot to mention that the main problem of Zumwalt is its space price, even for the USA it is prohibitive.

      the main thing is to stop in time, which they did. And as a laboratory for testing, they will not have the best. And they know how to reduce the cost, and one more thing, I would not directly compare the cost, since it takes place in very different budget items in different countries.
      1. bk316
        bk316 15 October 2019 13: 26 New
        +1
        Yes, and they can reduce the cost,

        You are bent. They know how to rise in price .... yes.
        This iron has already risen in price from 3.5 to 7.5 billion.
  • Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 14 October 2019 21: 55 New
    0
    The invisible tin, trying to swim (it is known that it is swimming), awaits the fate of another, trying to fly.
  • Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 14 October 2019 22: 07 New
    0
    The fishing boat is its true purpose
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 14 October 2019 22: 42 New
    0
    This National Interest published an article 4 years ago. laughing
    Everything is out of date in it.
    Zumvolts redo from artillery cruisers with work on the shore
    to missile cruisers with work on enemy ships.
    They have longer missile containers, and the Zumvolts will be the first to receive
    new rockets. Create three groups, each consisting of one Zumvolt
    and two Virginia submarines. The task is to act independently of the AUG.
    The Littorial Ships (trimarans) began to urgently mount the modernized
    Norwegian anti-ship missiles (two installations of 4 launchers) and, probably, they will also be attributed
    to squadrons with the Zumvolts at the head.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 15 October 2019 14: 09 New
      -1
      Scientists have found that one of the main sources of plastic waste in the sea is sea vessels. Converting the Zumvolts into waste collectors (all the same, they will have to be remade more than once to one or the other, because they are completely unsuitable for the naval base) will be the logical result of this whole story. It will be possible to cut PR on the environment, this is now very important)
  • Astronaut
    Astronaut 14 October 2019 22: 43 New
    0
    Do I have glitches or was this destroyer originally supposed to be unmanned?
    1. Arturov
      Arturov 15 October 2019 02: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Astronaut
      Do I have glitches or was this destroyer originally supposed to be unmanned?

      her, these are glitches. A destroyer of this size, fiction ....
  • missuris
    missuris 15 October 2019 07: 47 New
    0
    kek, in what place is he secretive compared to the sub?
    1. Good_Anonymous
      Good_Anonymous 15 October 2019 12: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: missuris
      kek, in what place is he secretive compared to the sub?


      You also ask in what place it is secretive in comparison with the F-35 or Su-57 there. He is secretive not in comparison with submarines, but in comparison with other surface ships.
  • gafarovsafar
    gafarovsafar 15 October 2019 08: 26 New
    0
    Zamvolt’s main purpose is to be a target for Russian anti-ship missiles
  • Galleon
    Galleon 15 October 2019 13: 30 New
    +3
    Quote: lucul
    cheap drones hanging in the sky 24 hours a day

    Penny drones hang for days in the ocean hundreds of miles from the launch site, see hundreds of miles and transmit information ... It would be nice. But still pull yourself together))
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 15 October 2019 14: 05 New
    -1
    The "stealth" boat with a displacement of 15 thousand tons is a separate anecdote. Of course, all types of modern radars perfectly see this ship, and naturally, it is not difficult to enter its mark in the identifiers as an "invisible" US Navy ship. Computer analysis of the reflected signal, which is simple for the present times, does not leave the slightest trace of stealth.
    Since all the combat qualities of the ship are tied to this absolutely non-existent stealth, the shell turned out to be completely and completely useless. The whole story of "radar invisibility", both at sea and in the air, has inflicted colossal damage on the United States, almost completely cutting down progress in the design of the most advanced systems in two environments. One cannot help but laugh as the US Navy is trying to stick these useless piles of rubbish somewhere ...
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  • Good_Anonymous
    Good_Anonymous 15 October 2019 20: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Rostislav Bely
    even in Soviet times, we burned (instantly) a few tens of kilometers of a target (sheet of metal 3 cm)


    Who has "you" - you are an alien?
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 16 October 2019 08: 15 New
    0
    All this can be applied to the old Arleigh Burkes. And it will not even be worse.
  • Mestny
    Mestny 16 October 2019 09: 06 New
    -2
    Well, again, some promises. "Will be, in the future." Trump's thieves' regime can only draw cartoons.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 16 October 2019 11: 29 New
    0
    This is a concept ... Americans have always been creative in their approach. Moreover, leadership in the Navy and, most importantly, experience is behind them!
  • bar
    bar 16 October 2019 14: 43 New
    -1
    the main purpose of the stealth destroyers "Zamvolt"

    They swelled a lot of money, now they are looking for a destination for this suitcase without a handle
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 17 October 2019 17: 34 New
    0
    they have already changed the concept of its application so many times that apparently he will soon bring soy to China. wassat