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Forbes: Russian and American submarines have common problems with stealth

The problem of coverage, which defines stealth and often literally drops from submarines, is not new and is not unique to the US Navy, writes Forbes, in relation to the recent scandal with falsification of reports on work on submarines of the Virginia class.

Submarines are made of durable steel, but when they sink to depths, water pressure causes their hulls to bend and change shape. If you add here a long patrol, the effect of salt water, rust and temperature changes, then the complexity of the operation begins to go off scale, the text says. Therefore, when you see a submarine with missing tiles hiding the signature of the coating, then this speaks more about the extreme conditions than about the frugality of those responsible.

The Americans are not alone here. Some British submarines suffer from similar problems. The Russian Navy is often in no hurry to replace the fallen tiles of the covering layer. Some submarines of the Russian Federation, such as the 945 project class “Barracuda” (according to the NATO classification - Sierra), have titanium hulls, which, the publication believes, only exacerbates the problem. These atomic submarines run for many years with the same areas of missing tiles. These visual features are so stable that they can be used to identify each individual submarine.

The authors write that the problems of the American and Russian submarines in this regard are similar.

However, notes the publication, which decided to practice military-technical analytics, is worst of all with the secrecy of the Iranian fleet. There, any submarine is "critically visible to the enemy."
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  1. Strashila
    Strashila 14 October 2019 12: 12
    "Forbes: Russian and American submarines have common problems with stealth", they thought different laws of physics and chemistry in America.
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 14 October 2019 12: 19
      And I’m wondering, why is Forbes suddenly interested in the problems of the fleet? That the world has run out of billionaires or tired of writing about their lives?
      Analysts there are at the level of Dave Majumdar from the same "super-analytical" publication ...
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 14 October 2019 13: 36
        Someone is trying to fit the stealth technology of the US Navy.
      2. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 14 October 2019 15: 04
        Generalis imus! I agree. And really, why did Fordes suddenly start to deal with hydraulics issues instead of doing their usual thing - gossiping about the fortunes of billionaires and predicting the imminent end of the world due to the invasion of penguins and white mice on the western bank of the Congo River genre.
        1. Leopold
          Leopold 14 October 2019 19: 37
          Maybe they fastened to each boat a personal billionaire? Let him follow the casing! Not all yachts for rent then?
  2. Azazelo
    Azazelo 14 October 2019 12: 14
    You’ve gotten into a scandal over falsification of documents by contractors, so accept this.
    1. Rwmos
      Rwmos 14 October 2019 14: 36
      That's right, the problem is not the stealth of the submarines, but the falsifications, which are characteristic of the US military industry simply to horror. Who, for example, yelled about the fact that Patriot is the best air defense and missile defense system in the world and overslept the attack of obviously not very modern missiles, where are the modern ones in impoverished Yemen? Who sang songs about the F-22 stealth fighters, which they recently shot with the edge with this exfoliated stealth coating? They are no longer stealth, it turns out? Well and so on. They can compose fairy tales. And what really exists - no one knows
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 14 October 2019 12: 18
    The problems are the same ... and the reasons can be either different or similar.
  4. Pavil144
    Pavil144 14 October 2019 12: 19
    So with which submarines do they compare Russian and American, what does anyone have better?
  5. Magic archer
    Magic archer 14 October 2019 12: 21
    I read a long time ago about the operating conditions of the pl. For example, Americans are softer than for example ours, who often have to deal with ice floes. Of course, the Americans have trips to the poles and to explore our shores, but still our submarines get more. So I haven’t read anything new in this article. request
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 14 October 2019 12: 38
      Volodya, do magic better ...
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 14 October 2019 13: 24
        Do we know each other!? What kind of familiarity? Do not advise what to do, but I will not advise where to go hi
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 14 October 2019 19: 46
          Vladimir, you still can’t surpass Faina Ranevskaya.
    2. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 14 October 2019 13: 42
      Quote: Magic Archer
      operating conditions pl

      I don’t know how American, but ours in winter are forced to enter and leave the freezing bays. The whole problem is that no one in the overhaul period maintains coverage, and this is not so difficult, because the damage is mainly in the surface part.
  6. Graz
    Graz 14 October 2019 12: 33
    it’s high time to have a place to quickly change part of the rubber coating, and the supply of this coating,
    in fact it’s just slovenliness that we have, that the Yankees
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 14 October 2019 14: 45
      There is not so much sloppiness as shoals of KB analysts, because these analysts "do not see the forest for the trees" or, more precisely, "they do not see the constructional jamb of development behind the reports of the fallen slabs", there you just need to insert a couple of smart-ass (special) hairpins.
      Such shoals in small things are quite common in design bureaus where the same people do technical support, design, development and analytics, as a result
      Luggage would seem easy for them:
      Yes the swan is breaking into the clouds
      Cancer backs away, and Pike pulls into the water.
      Who is to blame for them, who is right, is not for us to judge;
      Yes, it's still there now.
  7. sabakina
    sabakina 14 October 2019 12: 37
    In the photo there is a nuclear submarine with the name of my city, with which they do not know what to do. When the Kursk was raised, was there a lot of torn off rubber? Except for a strange hole - nothing!
    1. Leopold
      Leopold 14 October 2019 19: 44
      Glory. hi Hello! And there is also a regiment of the airborne forces, and also the base of the BZHRK. Well, you can’t cover everything?
  8. Genry
    Genry 14 October 2019 13: 09
    I really like the one drawn on the submarine's cabin. This means - one "overwhelmed" enemy ... (SSN-689 "Baton Rouge").

    And the above photo of a very surfaced, unloaded boat (prepared for repair?)
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 14 October 2019 13: 15
      Both collided submarines got out of repair in three to four months.
      1. Genry
        Genry 14 October 2019 13: 16
        And why was it cut two years after the repair?
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 14 October 2019 13: 43
          Quote: Genry
          And why was it cut two years after the repair?

          Who is her? Why not him? feel What is the question ....
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 14 October 2019 14: 08
          Los Angeles usually served for 25 years. She plowed 17.
          It was time to put it on a replacement fuel. This is an expensive event.
          And it would extend her term by another 7 years. We decided not to torment.
  9. Kerensky
    Kerensky 14 October 2019 13: 35
    An interesting point:
    These atomic submarines run for many years with the same areas of missing tiles.

    That is, in certain areas, the plates fall off, and then in no hurry. That is, we have some critical zones for the boats of this project?
  10. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 14 October 2019 17: 26
    Quote: Kerensky
    An interesting point:
    These atomic submarines run for many years with the same areas of missing tiles.

    That is, in certain areas, the plates fall off, and then in no hurry. That is, we have some critical zones for the boats of this project?

    It is the deformation zones of the light body ... The composition of the glue is not so selected, therefore they fall off ..
  11. Tests
    Tests 14 October 2019 20: 39
    Dzafdet (Sergey), respected, about the lightweight body agrees 80%. It would be necessary to take a look at what and in the inter-space space on this project.
    But about the composition of the glue - no, it will not be enough. Why not about air temperature and dust content during sizing? And where is the glue temperature in the afternoon? And about the cleaning and degreasing of glued surfaces we forget? Did you withstand the drying time? And the master grandmother yesterday the first granddaughter was born. Well, we, and this, after work, as expected, the brigade went in, then congratulated my grandfather. But cho, we have the right, today, the Vokhra missed the factory, no?
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 14 October 2019 21: 33
    Have you taken a photo of the Kostrom nuclear submarine, which has been queuing for repairs for 10 years and positioning it as an indicator?
    And it’s all the more funny to look at it when you read the recollections of Halliburton divers participating in the Kursk nuclear submarine rescue. They all complained that the Russians could not invent glue for shoes, and it’s difficult to tear off the rubber attached to the sides with a manipulator
  13. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 15 October 2019 17: 04
    Gee gee gee! Patriots did not shoot down attacking drones because drones were not of that system! The contractor announced the completion of the protection work, received the loot, but it turned out that he was just cheating, not fixing anything. So there is a reason - Russian boats also have problems with coatings! All clear!