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The Arab media explained why Egypt chose the T-90 Abramsam tanks

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Egypt will become one of the first countries to choose, after adopting the Abrams MBT, the path to replenish the army with the latest Russian tanks. The Arab edition of Defense Arabic tried to find out the reasons for this step.




Edition:

Why does Egypt buy the T-90, although there is already an Abrams?

As it reasoned, the need to update the tank fleet was caused by the failure of the equipment, respectable by its service life, T-55 and T-62. Moreover, the purchase of additional “Abrams” to replace them is very expensive. A similar problem arises when they are upgraded to a more perfect look. It is also important that American tanks arrived in Egypt at the expense of assistance provided by the United States.

There are technical reasons to abandon the expansion of the Abramsov park.

Abrams is bigger, heavier, less maneuverable

- writes the publication, indicating that these characteristics have already negatively affected the effectiveness of their use in Yemen. We are talking about numerous cases where the Hussites with the help of RPGs successfully attack the Abrams tanks of the Saudi army, causing significant damage to the enemy not only in Yemen, but also in the territory of Saudi Arabia itself.

At the same time, the Russian T-90 perfectly proved themselves in various battlefields - in the Caucasus, Syria, Iraq. Against this background, it is quite possible to predict their acquisition not only by Egypt, but also by other countries.

We can see the T-90С in Saudi Arabia and Turkey in the near future

- The publication evaluates the preferences of other states.

It should be noted here that Russian President Vladimir Putin announced his trip to Riyadh.

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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 14 October 2019 10: 38
    +25
    The Arab media explained why Egypt chose the T-90 Abramsam tanks
    Experience, son of difficult mistakes. feel
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 14 October 2019 10: 46
      +24
      It is necessary to pay the Hussites for advertising our T-90, at the expense of anti-advertising "Abrams". In general, the recent events on BV have really advertised our equipment, while the Abrashi and Leopards received not feeble anti-advertising.
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 14 October 2019 10: 59
        +19
        The Arab edition of Defense Arabic tried to find out the reasons for this move.

        Well, where is the answer?
        Conclusions from the original article:


        Abrams M1, controlled by Egypt, was received free of charge. Each of the Abrams tanks was paid from the United States in the amount of $ 1,3 billion per year for military assistance. This free flow of funds has been going on since 1979, but has one important trap. Money should be used to buy US weapons. Thus, the Egyptian army turned to the US military market in the 1980s, where the F-16 and Abrams replaced the Migs and T-72.

        But there are problems that bothered Egypt. Abrams M1 sold to Egypt was a smaller version. In addition, the tanks were accompanied by restrictions on resale - therefore, they could not be sold to a third country, and any improvements or improvements should be made by the United States or locally in Egypt (without technical support from the United States, as it turned out). It also does not permit licensed production. This led the Egyptian army to rely heavily on US weapons systems, destroying its nascent war industry. Since 2011, Egypt has decided to change course in this regard, and the T-90 is one such program for the resumption of military industry in Egypt.

        Unlike the United States, Russians offer a generous transfer of technology and licensed production and allow for free repair work and modifications.
        1. svp67
          svp67 14 October 2019 11: 38
          +19
          Quote: Thrall
          Abrams M1, controlled by Egypt, was received free of charge.

          Most of all, the word "free", that is, "for free", touches. But nothing happens for nothing. And 1100 M-1 "Abrams", delivered to Egypt, require periodic maintenance and repair, using "original" spare parts and materials that were to be purchased in the United States.
          With the T-90M, it’s somewhat simpler, there is still plenty of T-72 there, spare parts for which are produced all over the world, so there is also India, which has established partial production of components for the T-90A
          The Egyptian army has about 1100 T54 / 55 of various modifications, all of them are in storage, plus 500 pieces of T-62, half of which are in storage. And about 1150 M-60 troops.
          From this I conclude that most likely the T-54/55 in storage will be replaced by the M-60, which in the system will be replaced by the T-90
        2. kutuz
          kutuz 14 October 2019 12: 32
          -9
          Everything is logical. The point is not that the T90 is so awesome, but in the price and conditions. pure business and nothing more. And the expressions "Abrashi" with "Leopards" received not feeble anti-advertising "nonsense" Hurray for patriots ", there are no fools sitting there and hardly watching such advertisements.
          1. tomket
            tomket 15 October 2019 00: 27
            +15
            Quote: kutuz
            And the expressions "Abrashi" with "Leopards" received not feeble anti-advertising "nonsense" Hurray for patriots ", there are no fools sitting there and hardly watching such advertisements.

            Actually, this is not advertising, but the results of combat use. And it’s not the fools who look at her in the first place.
          2. Free Island
            Free Island 15 October 2019 03: 17
            -5
            The fact that Abrash is inferior to the T-90 in terms of performance even a schoolchild knows))) Abrash among the tanks is like an expensive heifer for walking along the promenade)) in his Louboutins refuses to go off-road, and in fact it is slow
            1. kutuz
              kutuz 15 October 2019 22: 16
              -1
              "even the student knows" the student is probably a poor student, the only thing he is better at is the price
            2. Mytholog
              Mytholog 15 October 2019 23: 13
              +1
              No, as far as Abrams’ slowness is concerned, the problem is more likely in the Arabs-mechvods. They in Iraq and T-72 managed to tear out in both wars in the Gulf. Just the right prepared Yankees at Abrams.
              The case when the problem is not in the horses, but in the riders.
        3. Deathmaker
          Deathmaker 15 October 2019 20: 15
          0
          Lie down under the big brother is nice. But short-sighted.
      2. yehat
        yehat 14 October 2019 12: 10
        +16
        anti-advertising of the leopards organized by the Turks in Syria
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 14 October 2019 14: 54
          +14
          And the Abrams, the Saudis in Emen. Any technique burns, weaknesses are found anywhere. If the equipment is vulnerable, but at the same time costs a lot of money, then why is it needed?
      3. mvg
        mvg 14 October 2019 15: 06
        -27
        Can you tell me how many Abramsov were destroyed in Iraq? Or Challengers (not a single one), but how many T-55 / 62 / 72 (in thousands). Or their Chinese copies. Yes, reading such articles is generally nonsense. The price tag on Abrams is not much different from the T-90MS. Not critical. Especially in Egypt, the plant.
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 14 October 2019 15: 36
          +24
          mvg (Maxim)
          Can you tell me how many Abramsov were destroyed in Iraq?
          Are you banned in Google? Well, here's a link to VO: https://topwar.ru/89129-o-poteryah-tankov-abrams.html
          and how many T-55/62/72 (in thousands)
          And more specifically? What mythical "thousands" are we talking about?
          The price tag for Abrams is not much different from the T-90MS.
          Well, yes, not at all different?
          "All these innovations cost money, and by 1999 the Abrams M1A2 was worth 6,2 million apiece, and in 2012 it was already more than 8 million." Plus, the cost of modernization, this is about 2,5 million. Total about 11 million $ apiece. The export value of the T-90S tank is about $ 2,5 million, and the cost of the deeply modernized T-90MS reaches $ 4,3 million.
          As if 2,5 times more expensive, no? Or 10 pcs. T-90MS, or 4 Abrams, as if hinting or not?
          1. Vanches
            Vanches 14 October 2019 16: 45
            -17
            On the Lostarmor website you can see information about thousands of losses, open the Syria tab, select t72 or whatever, the "tower throwers" are really amazing
          2. Mcsim78
            Mcsim78 15 October 2019 11: 18
            -7
            Enough already to write this nonsense about the difference in price. Compare at least the s / n fund in cost. Not to mention the fact that the entire defense industry of the Russian Federation is subsidized.
            1. Deathmaker
              Deathmaker 15 October 2019 20: 20
              +1
              and what is the difference to the buyer, what is the share in the price of the payroll? he, in general, does not care deeply about this.
              Well, the American military-industrial complex is also entirely on state subsidies. Development ordering MO, loans to foreign countries for the purchase gives MF.
              1. Mcsim78
                Mcsim78 16 October 2019 15: 05
                0
                You need to know the meaning of words before embedding them in sentences. Start with subsidies - these are funds that are allocated by the state or local budget in order to provide financial support to unprofitable enterprises and organizations.
                1. Deathmaker
                  Deathmaker 11 November 2019 07: 58
                  0
                  use the expression "budget financing" or "government order" if it is so important for you. The day does not change - they all milk the state budget.
            2. Stabilization
              Stabilization 15 October 2019 21: 27
              -1
              you speak as if "Lockheed" or "Boeing" are all state. subsidies themselves) yeah
        2. Andron59
          Andron59 14 October 2019 19: 27
          +22
          Do you understand Maxim, you are trying to compare the truncated (export) version of Soviet tanks and the normal (not for export) version of tanks, especially since the bulk of the tanks were lost as a result of the actions of aviation and artillery. You did not analyze the results, but simply repeated the speculations of not very competent people, or outright provocateurs.
        3. Alexey G
          Alexey G 14 October 2019 21: 59
          +7
          T55 against Abrams is one thing, and T90 against a grenade launcher is another. T90 is better for fighting partisans, and the current conflict is asymmetric. Here the abrams are burning from RPGs and the T90 is holding and the diesel in it is more unpretentious in the desert.
          1. Vanches
            Vanches 16 October 2019 17: 36
            0
            Not so much Abrams’s losses from RPGs, the best thing against them is a landmine on the road, here is the proof http://www.yaplakal.com/forum2/topic1759726.html?hl=, but in general why are you so zealously defending domestic teshki ? There were articles on VO a couple of years ago that the carousel is evil, because of it tanks are tearing to shreds and tankers are fleeing serviceable tanks and for nothing nobody needs us except us, (even the Chinese are now on their vt 5 from him refused).
            https://topwar.ru/44844-nuzhen-li-v-sovremennom-tanke-avtomat-zaryazhaniya.html
            And finally, if the article on VO does not convince you, but it does not convince, then read http://nvo.ng.ru/concepts/2008-02-22/4_tankisty.html
            1. Alexey G
              Alexey G 16 October 2019 21: 27
              0
              Look better this! You'll like it! https://youtu.be/OJV09Iq5yfY
              Thanks for the proofs! I looked, but the truth is that the Iraqi tanks are burning, and here we are mostly talking about Husites. On the video, the Saudi Abrams burns. Take a look. The Hussites make abrams like tin cans. The tank in the video was shot down in the upper projection of the hull. Look at the 6th minute of the video hole from the top right of the mechanic's hatch. Presumably fried with a mortar!
              And finally watch this fun video https://youtu.be/J2LZNWQMnRY
              1. Vanches
                Vanches 17 October 2019 16: 10
                0
                Well, the first video, yes, an offset, but for the sake of justice, in that abrams of holes from an RPG of 10 pieces, so that he apparently had done well before that, and bk didn’t
                1. Alexey G
                  Alexey G 17 October 2019 19: 11
                  0
                  Our dynamic protection is better! Americans are lagging behind. The tank is lighter and the silhouette is smaller! So it will pass through many bridges and roads and even get harder. In the last photo in the proof, the abrams fell off the road and stuck in the sand! The new gun is better than the Leopard one on T90 breakthrough 3. Plus there is Afghanite or an arena from RPGs and ATGMs to dynamic protection. The machine gun module on the roof is uninhabited, and on the abrams it is necessary to stick out of the hatch! A diesel is more practical than a gas turbine. Our tank is cheaper! And this series from T34 to T90 fought in a mass of conflicts. Our tank is the result of many years of modernization and war testing.
                  1. Vanches
                    Vanches 18 October 2019 08: 27
                    0
                    Well, the Americans have tusk, it protects against tandem ammunition (neither pin 1, nor pin 5 from tandem cumulus seems to protect), besides, their dz covers the entire board.
                    As for the silhouette, height t 90 2,28 m, Abramych height 2.37 m, the difference is slightly more than nothing)
                    The gun is new, so far in the army there is not a single t90cm about this gun to say well
                    Arena, afghanite, so where are these wunderwaffles? at the parade? with the arena rushing since 2002, but they don’t buy anything.
                    The machine-gun module, again, if tusk is on Abramych, then there is a combat module with a machine gun, on our carts, this uninhabited turret current on t90 and t80u, there is no such combat module on the T72 self-fighting turret, biathlon look, if you don’t believe it.
                    I commanded, yes, no doubt, but it seems that we don’t even want to learn from our bitter experience, otherwise the army would have had such https://pikabu.ru/story/modernizirovannyiy_t90_5051069 and not t72b3
                    1. Alexey G
                      Alexey G 18 October 2019 23: 54
                      +1
                      The Relic complex is based on an element of dynamic protection (DZ) of increased sensitivity 4C23 and a modern, more effective throwing pattern, in which the destructive and destabilizing effect on the striking elements of ammunition (cumulative stream, BPS core) relative to thick armor plates being thrown in opposite directions predominates . In this case, the dominant contribution to the indicated destructive effect is made by a plate that is tossed “after”. Due to the fact that energetically “throwing” throwing is more advantageous than throwing toward, significant similar (4-5 times) increases in BPS resistance are realized on structures of this kind in comparison with the serial complex DZ “Contact-V” and at the same time “anti-tandem” properties of such armor significantly increase, i.e. she gains resistance against the most modern tandem ATGM type TOW-2A with a delay time of at least 400 μs and armor penetration behind the mounted anti-cumulative remote sensing of at least 1000 mm. Thus, the appearance of the Relic complex on domestic tanks is a significant leap in security, providing protection against most of the most advanced anti-tank weapons of horizontal fire, designed to destroy the tank from the frontal projection.
                      By order of the U.S. Army, the TUSK (Tank Urban Survival Kit | Tank Survival Kit) was developed and a contract for its supply was signed in 2006.

                      The cost of one set is estimated at 400 tons. $.

                      The complex includes DZ modules to protect the side projection of the tank.

                      The TUSK kit includes 2 types of DZ, XM19 ARAT 1 and XM32 ARAT 2.
                      the dynamic protection of the Americans was brazenly stolen from the Scientific Research Institute "Steel", but of course our country will not put forward any claims in this regard
                      First you need to pay attention to the irrational form of the ARAT 2 DZ, this form does not give any advantage, in comparison with conventional flat modules. The fact is that there are no analogues of DZ ARAT 2 in the world, it is their entire development, and as you know, 1 pancake is lumpy.

                      Perhaps someone from the developers of such a curved shape seemed more attractive ..., but in the end it led to excess parasitic weight and a decrease in protective properties with an acute angle of attack.

                      In general, this shape is a consequence of the design of this DZ module - it is made of an outer curved sheet of armor, about 10 mm thick. Behind it is a package with an "explosive in a flexible case" (seen in the picture with the inscriptions), then in the middle of the module is the rear cover of the remote sensing unit with a bracket for fastening.

                      Please note that DZ ARAT 2 is attached directly to the cover of DZ ARAT 1.

                      The ARAT 2 module has a vertical slope, so that when triggered, the explosion energy goes up, and the outer cover does not fly away far from the tank.

                      The efficiency of this remote sensing module is very low. Its purpose is to protect the ARAT 1 DZ from the leading HEAT charge, thereby preserving the main DZ filling for protection from the main charge.
                      What is the gain of protection gives TUSK?

                      According to my estimates, 500 mm from cumulative ammunition, including tandem ones.

                      In general, the results of my analysis were able to surprise me as well, as we see the Americans stole our development of the "Cactus" DZ and as proof they also created the 2nd modification of the DZ, which in its effectiveness does not even reach the 1st generation DZ. This is a shame! https://zen.yandex.ru/media/armsblog/analiz-zasciscennosti-tanka-abrams-s-komplektom-tusk-5ce00727ecf3ff0
                      Case length, mm 6860 at T90
                      The length of the case, 7925 mm at Abrasha is absolutely nonsense! More than a meter! A great target for the Smoker with side and top! The beauty. Tusk is a miserable craft resembling the papier of a turtle from a variety of guards. Looks like they got in Iraq!
                      Biathlon I look there simplified technique to watch the skill of tankers and not the dexterity of robots! Thanks for Tusk was informative and entertaining. Americans are plagiarists.
                      Why do you rest so much for them !! It seems Ivan is a Russian name! In truth, I do not like the uranium abrash either externally or internally!
                      1. Vanches
                        Vanches 19 October 2019 15: 09
                        0
                        I am for Abrams because a lot has been done in it to increase the survival of the tank and crew, which is the separation of the tank and fuel from the crew, like on no other Soviet-Russian tank except about 640, the problem of maintaining the tank survivability when the tank was ignited was not even puzzled, but what do we have? az? shells under the policeman of the fighting compartment-the last century. Ukraine, Chechnya, Syria, Iraq, the pressure of the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan EVERYWHERE one picture-tower in the bushes.
                        Damn, for already 20 years on all forums, blogs, in comments very patriotic citizens have been repeating the same thing, saying that BC TESHEK is located in the MOST PROTECTED PLACE, behind the side of the building aha http://btvt.info/5library/vbtt_1991_bort.htm and In practice, something doesn’t fit in any way, either the dz turned out to be without explosives, the militants are cunning from f to u and shoot between the rinks, that's because parasites (they know where to shoot.
                      2. Alexey G
                        Alexey G 20 October 2019 12: 07
                        0
                        The essence of that facet of the Russian national monolith,
                        what is called the Russian national military doctrine is superiority of spirit over matter. This superiority of the immortal spirit over mortal was felt by the Russian gunners of Zorndorf, kissing their
                        guns, saying goodbye to them forever "and not departing from them for
                        step ”at the moment when they were chopped by Seidlitz’s armor
                        and when a German in their place would have fled or surrendered. With this feeling, Rumyantsov came out with seventeen thousand to two hundred thousand Turks into the Cahul battle.
                        Kersnovsky Anton Antonovich
                        Philosophy of war. - M.: Publishing House of the Moscow Patriarchate, 2010. - 208 p.
                        Read this thoughtfully and understand why the West cares so much about its tankers. There is another philosophy. They value the person, the rights and freedoms of the person for its preservation and worship of the individual. For Russians, always in the first place was not to survive at all costs, but to live so that life made sense higher than preserving a full belly! The West preserves the mortal body and the Russian immortal soul. Such an approach left its imprint on weapons in the Soviet years. Close and dangerous is not a problem! T14 tank is western in its ideology. The crew is in an armored capsule! In the case! Even better if he will be at home at all and let the tank fight. War without the risk of being killed! For me it’s a little vulgar then what heroism is there.
                        But this is just my opinion. Maybe it’s different ....
                      3. Vanches
                        Vanches 20 October 2019 14: 31
                        0
                        Beautifully written, perhaps a lot of truth, not without some nationalism, but beautiful.
                        In T34, the ammunition, by the way, was also at the floor level, but then it was the best solution of all available and known, hello Sherman turret gunner with BC in the fenders. That is, then (in t34) they thought about this problem, paid great attention to it, looked at the result of combat use, drew conclusions and built tanks so that they were less likely to tear to pieces, when designing the tank it was not about morality, about the superiority of the Russian spirit and so on, I don’t know why you brought it, it was about how to increase the survivability of the tank and reduce mortality among crew members, period. A tank with a dead crew will not perform any combat mission !!! War heroes alone are not won.
                      4. Alexey G
                        Alexey G 20 October 2019 16: 34
                        +1
                        You cannot win one heroism, and without it there is no nation at all, only a bunch of lovers to eat and sleep! If a person ceases to show his best qualities, then humanity will die out as a bunch of degradants!
                        The war Ivan is not a murder, it is when you yourself risk being killed, when the enemy has a chance to kill you! Without this important point, there is no war; there is no morality; there is murder in which not a drop of nobility! There is no perfect weapon, but there are people who can sacrifice themselves in the name of good and peace! There are such people in Russia! There are no such officers in any country in the world! That's what Putin said!
                      5. Vanches
                        Vanches 20 October 2019 18: 23
                        0
                        Okay, all the same, the dialogue has gone the wrong way), but thanks Alexey, it was interesting to talk to you, all the best.
                      6. Alexey G
                        Alexey G 20 October 2019 20: 54
                        0
                        Thank you too! I partly agree with you that you need to make tanks safe for soldiers! There is a legend that Peresvet went to battle with Chelubey without armor! He knew that he would not leave the battle alive, but wanted the whole army to see how he was holding in the saddle after a collision with Chelubey. Chelubey fell after the blow, and Peresvet, pierced through with a spear, reached his own and died, but ours and the Mongols saw how the Urus remained on horseback and the Mongol fell to the ground, there was a bad sign for the enemy, and for the Russians a good omen! But if strictly on the topic, then the T90e in Syria showed themselves pretty well, so the Arabs are eyeing them and the Americans will admit this too, albeit unwillingly.
                        All the best to you too!
        4. Alexey G
          Alexey G 14 October 2019 22: 04
          +2
          To set abrams on fire, there is a T14! His cannon abrams penetrates well. It seemed like they wanted to put this cannon on the T90 ms, but then changed their minds. But for now. And then they will make the T90 MS 2 for example. Our pan-engineers are conservative. They do it slowly but sensibly!
        5. Rwmos
          Rwmos 14 October 2019 23: 20
          0
          https://www.lostarmour.info/iraq/item.php?id=16603
          23 only from 14 year laughing Holocaust right, do not like Abramov
    2. Yrec
      Yrec 14 October 2019 10: 58
      +7
      The Abrams is very expensive to operate. Only mattresses and KSA can afford this. The rest of the operators only drive them on parades.
      1. kytx
        kytx 14 October 2019 16: 09
        0
        IMHO now for export there are 2 good tanks T90 and leclerc but the Frenchman has a fierce price tag
        1. Yrec
          Yrec 14 October 2019 16: 28
          +9
          Leclerc is a good tank because he did not fight. The leopard and Merkava were also very good, until they entered, respectively, in Syria and Lebanon. After that, no one considers them particularly good. Now the Turks have entered Syria on the M60, draw conclusions. The operation of Leclerc, by the way, is more expensive than that of Abrams.
          1. kytx
            kytx 14 October 2019 17: 21
            0
            Leclerc in Yemen did not screw up like a vaunted leo2
            1. kytx
              kytx 14 October 2019 17: 23
              +1
              He fought
              Already....
            2. Zliy_mod
              Zliy_mod 15 October 2019 13: 42
              0
              In Ukraine there were Leclerci at the training ground, extremely stubborn tanks for technical personnel, it’s like a six hundredth gelding in a swamp.
              1. Zliy_mod
                Zliy_mod 15 October 2019 14: 02
                0
                Link http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/France/
    3. smart ass
      smart ass 15 October 2019 15: 20
      -1
      Putin, as a sales representative, drives weapons to various countries
    4. Quadro
      Quadro 15 October 2019 21: 34
      0
      Everything ingenious is simple - export abrashas do not have uranium plates on the tower and forehead of the hull, fuel economy at zero, not every bridge can withstand, it is expensive to maintain, in general it is poorly designed for deserts.
  2. Teberii
    Teberii 14 October 2019 10: 38
    +8
    Advertising of our technology did not go in vain, but the United States suffers one failure after another.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 14 October 2019 11: 26
      +5
      I liked the video, especially when the Toyota was buried in the sand, and the tank was twitching ... it is clear that the specific pressure on the ground is not comparable, but cool. "Jihadtachanka" roll up in the sand, no problem! good
  3. Magic archer
    Magic archer 14 October 2019 10: 43
    +10
    Do not forget that Abrams has not been built for a long time. All that is for sale is BU modernized cars! And this is not an unimportant factor. wink
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 14 October 2019 10: 51
      +12
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Do not forget that Abrams has not been built for a long time. All that is for sale is BU modernized cars! And this is not an unimportant factor. wink

      Add to this that the T-90 is much cheaper, and new deliveries must be paid for with live money, which Egypt does not have a lot of.
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 14 October 2019 10: 53
        +4
        I agree. Plus, Abrams had a problem with fuel filters, desert sand did its job, engines often flew. I don’t know if this problem was handled or not.
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 14 October 2019 11: 22
          +7
          Quote: Magic Archer
          problem with fuel filters,

          Then with the air.
        2. vfwfr
          vfwfr 14 October 2019 11: 30
          +7
          I’m too lazy to google, but as far as I remember Abrams’s heart is a gas turbine engine (gas turbine engine), a piston T-90 ... In an area with a lot of sand, there is nothing to do with a gas turbine engine. That's the breakdown ...
          For your information:
          Type: gas turbine
          Cooling: air
          Manufacturer: Lycoming Engines
          PS (Manufacturer: Lycoming. I am hearing as a manufacturer of piston ICEs for light aircraft).
      2. lucul
        lucul 14 October 2019 12: 12
        -6
        and new deliveries must be paid for with live money, which Egypt has not very rich in.

        I beg you - to nationalize the Suez Canal (Russia / China will cover,) - and the loot will flow into the treasury)))
        1. old_pferd
          old_pferd 14 October 2019 14: 38
          +5
          It seems that back in 1956, Nasser nationalized ?!
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 14 October 2019 15: 26
            0
            Quote: old_pferd
            It seems that back in 1956, Nasser nationalized ?!

            Can be privatized
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 14 October 2019 11: 11
      +1
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Do not forget that Abrams has not been built for a long time. All that is for sale is BU modernized cars! And this is not an unimportant factor. wink

      Why is it important? A dumb tank remains dull, despite the time of manufacture. The dullness of the tank was laid by his very idea. This tank is not for war, but HZ why. A combat tour of the native quarters. A large, comfortable BO, for which you have to pay - weight.
      1. kytx
        kytx 14 October 2019 16: 12
        0
        Not so stupid. Abrash was originally created as a TCP for European theater
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 14 October 2019 16: 38
          0
          Very stupid, he was created not for battle, but under the American ass.
          Quote: kytx
          Not so stupid. Abrash was originally created as a TCP for European theater
          But he fought in the East and showed himself ..., did not show himself at all. request
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 14 October 2019 19: 55
          -2
          Quote: kytx
          Not so stupid. Abrash was originally created as a TCP for European theater

          That is, did the Yankees plan tank battles at ETVD? Funny, right.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 14 October 2019 20: 31
            +1
            Both Abrash and Leo are NAT's answers to the Armada t-54 55 62 64 72 80 90 rushing towards the English Channel.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 14 October 2019 21: 30
              0
              Quote: garri-lin
              Both Abrash and Leo are NAT's answers to the Armada t-54 55 62 64 72 80 90 rushing towards the English Channel.

              During his service in the GSVG, he did not see tanks rushing towards the English Channel. Didn't you dream? And even more so - 54, 55, 62. Abrash and Leo to do with it? How old are you, interesting? Young, go? Or didn’t they serve in the army? Well, in the GSVG for sure. drinks
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 14 October 2019 22: 23
                0
                Was there a war? Eastern block destroyed NATO? There was no war, they were only preparing for it. And the United States as well. That's why they created Abrash more similar to a tank destroyer.
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 15 October 2019 20: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: garri-lin
                  Was there a war? Eastern block destroyed NATO? There was no war, they were only preparing for it. And the United States as well. That's why they created Abrash more similar to a tank destroyer.

                  Okay, got it. Idea, so to speak. I agree. But the trick is that the Yankees and we had different Combat Manuals, which did not presuppose the same view of the preparation and conduct of military operations. For example, where they want tanks-for-tanks, we want a powerful anti-tank defense system that will "eat" their tanks, and ours will go with the infantry to solve their problems. Well, somehow I see drinks
                  In general, everything is decided by 2 bodies - headquarters and intelligence. If everything is correct and on time, then it doesn’t matter if the enemy has tanks at all - everyone will solve only the task that is too tough for him - implicitly, accurately and on time, as they say. laughing
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 15 October 2019 21: 07
                    0
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    Quote: kytx
                    Not so stupid. Abrash was originally created as a TCP for European theater

                    That is, did the Yankees plan tank battles at ETVD? Funny, right.

                    Your words. And your current words confirm them. America wanted a tank on a tank and in defense. Abrams was created under the concept of mobile defense. On its continent Merikosam tank just do not need. ETVD remains to help friends from NATO.
                    1. Doliva63
                      Doliva63 15 October 2019 22: 09
                      0
                      Quote: garri-lin
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      Quote: kytx
                      Not so stupid. Abrash was originally created as a TCP for European theater

                      That is, did the Yankees plan tank battles at ETVD? Funny, right.

                      Your words. And your current words confirm them. America wanted a tank on a tank and in defense. Abrams was created under the concept of mobile defense. On its continent Merikosam tank just do not need. ETVD remains to help friends from NATO.

                      Mine, I do not argue. And you are right - such a tank is not needed at all. For they would have dared not with tanks at all. That is, the tank is for nothing. And now they don’t know where to shove it laughing
                      1. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 16 October 2019 00: 55
                        0
                        Modernization was obvious from the beginning. Redistribute the armor. Remove from forehead and add sides. Normal landmine in BC. Although the weight would not change.
                      2. Doliva63
                        Doliva63 16 October 2019 17: 19
                        0
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        Modernization was obvious from the beginning. Redistribute the armor. Remove from forehead and add sides. Normal landmine in BC. Although the weight would not change.

                        But the question is - why the hell? They have land neighbors - Canada and Mexico - under their heels and under control, why do they need tanks at all? In fact, only for sale. Therefore, this tank has no real value, like their dollar.
                      3. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 16 October 2019 19: 41
                        +1
                        Well, in fact, America climbs around the world. So they need a tank. How to impose democracy without armor?
                      4. Doliva63
                        Doliva63 17 October 2019 19: 11
                        0
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        Well, in fact, America climbs around the world. So they need a tank. How to impose democracy without armor?

                        Well, I can’t argue with that laughing drinks
    3. Archon
      Archon 14 October 2019 22: 28
      0
      It’s not being built, but after modernization, only the building remains, and everything else changes.
  4. novel66
    novel66 14 October 2019 10: 47
    +4
    just to compare, arrange a counter battle as part of the exercises
    1. Leopold
      Leopold 14 October 2019 11: 49
      +10
      So, do not be afraid, and this clause is spelled out in the contract so that it is not carried out. wink
      1. novel66
        novel66 14 October 2019 12: 24
        +5
        and something ?? it is necessary, it is necessary to get acquainted!
        1. Leopold
          Leopold 14 October 2019 12: 30
          +7
          Our Bear is kind, but it reminds them of it, which pulls the bar. tongue
          1. novel66
            novel66 14 October 2019 12: 46
            +6
            ours is also patient!
            1. Leopold
              Leopold 14 October 2019 12: 53
              +6
              In-in! Ours are patiently waiting for the Egyptians to ride the Abrams. good
              1. novel66
                novel66 14 October 2019 13: 08
                +7
                why wait? the sand in the box ..
                1. Leopold
                  Leopold 14 October 2019 15: 40
                  +4
                  Sugar in the tank!
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 14 October 2019 17: 24
                    +3
                    a sand in the trunk ...
                    1. Leopold
                      Leopold 14 October 2019 19: 27
                      +5
                      Cruel! But for some reason I do not mind.
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 14 October 2019 15: 29
      0
      Quote: novel xnumx
      counter battle in the framework of exercises

      As part of the exercises, you can’t determine the armor penetration. If you carry out shelling of cars, then something can be said but who will give you?
      1. novel66
        novel66 14 October 2019 17: 25
        +2
        so these are Arabs !! they can shoot ...
        1. Evil Booth
          Evil Booth 16 October 2019 17: 09
          0
          good the Arab Air Force bombing according to the discovery Israeli tanks before the attack on the Arab tanks according to the Anglo-proofs the well-known Arabs on export semi-tanks destroyed the Jewish tanks many times in several battles in a row, inflicting much more damage on their own in many battles and not those that reposted the bots according to the facts 75% of the Air Force and Arabs and Israel had combat damage in statistics in combat, and even for a moment25 I flew air with air missiles and bombs which could throw right away over the body when f15 was still current on paper, etc. .
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 14 October 2019 10: 47
    +4
    There is a lot to say about the T 34! But the most important thing is THIS TANK OF VICTORY!
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 14 October 2019 11: 13
      +15
      Quote: rocket757
      There is a lot to say about the T 34! But the most important thing is THIS TANK OF VICTORY!

      After reading the comment - I re-read the article! Unfortunately, I did not understand your deep thought in relation to this topic. request but ... for the correctness of the statement, I put +. laughing
      Moreover, not Still departed from the weekend belay
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 14 October 2019 11: 26
        +8
        Probably the fact that the T-34 is still fighting, because it was made with us. How many of his peers from NATO survived, at least on the go ...?
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 14 October 2019 12: 08
          +3
          Quote: Hunter 2
          did not understand your deep thought in relation to this topic

          I don’t refer to technical troubles, it’s just subjective to fight \ serve on the technique of the winners ... preferable!
          Quote: Canecat
          Probably the fact that the T-34 is still fighting, because it was made with us.

          The technique showed itself well, in skilled hands ....
          1. Evil Booth
            Evil Booth 15 October 2019 17: 26
            0
            yes I’m still waiting for the T-34 to be on the move and with a cannon firing an external manual drive the leclerc will drop aboard and still forever well or OFZ in his forehead will slam him with the blade of the lecler.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 15 October 2019 19: 08
              0
              T 34 is a rarity that has a place on a pedestal, for objective reasons. If anyone has combat use, this is entirely from poverty.
              Leave the tank alone with well-deserved fame, he deserved it.
              And for modern tanks there is always a corresponding opener, no invulnerable ....
              unless in a joke about the elusive cowboy Joe, which no one catches, respectively, no one shoots him!
              1. Evil Booth
                Evil Booth 16 October 2019 01: 38
                +1
                soldier armor-piercing uncle from t34 times 2 will shoot the board at least abrams at least t62 ht which is sub-caliber especially Tx read) if it says 200 then on 100 how to gather the thread
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 16 October 2019 07: 19
                  0
                  Vyunosh, the board of any armored vehicle that is not specially protected / additionally fights from an old RPG! Only unlike the honored veteran T 34, RPGs are produced UNTIL PERIOD !!! there are special "shots" for them! This is a serial SHIRPOTREB, in any "military trade" there is.
                  There are NOTHING ANY PARTS for spare parts, there are NOTHING, they are not available ... and ordering individually is EXPENSIVE, cheaper a more modern, used tank to purchase and maintain! By the way, you can not print everything on the printer!
                  PS ... cherry on the cake! Any, more \ less modern tank has so many stray, different, giving any of them a HUGE tactical advantage over a veteran! Those. to get into his shot, only warriors could grieve, you know which ones.
                  1. Evil Booth
                    Evil Booth 16 October 2019 17: 10
                    0
                    fellow commercials you are bombing.
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 16 October 2019 17: 16
                      0
                      Learning is light, but ignoramus .... however, this is an individual matter.
                      Everything, the educational program is over.
                      1. Evil Booth
                        Evil Booth 17 October 2019 15: 20
                        0
                        pha and what was the educational program and where? something is all wrong with you, probably OFZ could repulse a tiger cannon with fragments, damaging the barrel and at the leclerc’s barrel of adamantium yes?)))
        2. Magic archer
          Magic archer 14 October 2019 15: 18
          +1
          Canecat, the Centurions remained alive and not only on the go, in South Africa they were even modified repeatedly hi
          1. Cananecat
            Cananecat 15 October 2019 00: 41
            +1
            Thanks Cap, didn’t know. ) hi
            However, deep modernization is somewhat different ... you can modernize so that you get a decent fighting vehicle, far from its ancestors.
          2. Quadro
            Quadro 15 October 2019 21: 40
            0
            Quote: Magic Archer
            Canecat, the Centurions remained alive and not only on the go, in South Africa they were even modified repeatedly hi

            Only the centurion is already a half-bucket of MBT (approximately like our T-54/55), the categories are the same, but you can’t see something of warring comets and crommel with the Sherman)
  6. aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 October 2019 10: 49
    +3
    Moreover, the purchase for their replacement of additional "Abrams" is a very expensive affair.

    Everything is prosaic and practical. Expensive. Everyone considers denyuzhku.
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 14 October 2019 11: 18
      +3
      If only denyuzhku was considered here, then the choice fell on the Chinese, for example Type 99. In my opinion, this is the main competitor of T-90 for export. And this, in my opinion, is very important!
      Abrams are taken either as Egyptians, in the form of technical assistance, or in pressure from the states, as in Iraq. And so, commercially - this is a failed project.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 14 October 2019 11: 48
        +2
        Kurare Today, 11: 18
        +1
        If only denyuzhku was considered here, then the choice fell on the Chinese, for example Type 99. In my opinion, this is the main competitor of T-90 for export. And this, in my opinion, is very important!
        Abrams are taken either as Egyptians, in the form of technical assistance, either under state pressurelike in Iraq. And so, commercially - this is a failed project.

        Of course, the main pusher is the mericatos.
      2. Quadro
        Quadro 15 October 2019 21: 43
        0
        Quote: Kurare
        If only denyuzhku was considered here, then the choice fell on the Chinese, for example Type 99. In my opinion, this is the main competitor of the T-90 for export.

        They also have good light / medium tanks, taking into account what rubbish the bearded men have there, they would be enough.
  7. knn54
    knn54 14 October 2019 10: 50
    +8
    -Egypt will be the first country?
    In Iraq, an elite (participating in hostilities) 35th mechanized brigade moved (June 2018) from American M1 Abrams tanks to Russian T-90S tanks.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 14 October 2019 23: 45
      0
      Quote: knn54
      In Iraq, an elite (participating in hostilities) 35th mechanized brigade moved (June 2018) from American M1 Abrams tanks to Russian T-90S tanks.

      Have you shared your impressions?
      Well, at least with designers / manufacturers / suppliers.
      Our and / or American.
      Maybe in the media they praise / scold and compare?
  8. Vadim T.
    Vadim T. 14 October 2019 10: 51
    +6
    The Egyptians acted rationally. The T-90 really worked well in combat. There is also experience in its operation in a tropical climate. Also important is the fact that work is continuing to improve the performance of the T-90, and the Russian Ministry of Defense has already concluded a contract with UVZ to supply the upgraded T-90M.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 14 October 2019 11: 38
      +6
      By the way, the T-90M tank has become noticeably faster - the T-90M engine is boosted to 1130 horsepower. And there is still a lot of good.
      The updated tank received an advanced modular ERA "Relikt", which is several times more effective than the "Contact" of the previous generation. Such a "skin" will withstand a direct hit from the most powerful types of shaped-charge projectiles and other means of destruction of armored vehicles used today by the armies of different countries.
      From mines with magnetometric fuses, the crew of the armored vehicle is reliably covered by an electromagnetic protection system. The Arena-M complex automatically detects incoming projectiles and, from a distance of several meters, fires special destructive ammunition at them.

      The tank received a 125-millimeter 2A82-M1 smoothbore gun, the same as on the promising T-14 Armata. Today it is the most effective mass-produced tank gun in the world: it allows you to shoot with reinforced charges and, in terms of its main characteristics, is one and a half times superior to the best NATO tank gun - Rheinmetall Rh120, which is installed on Leopards and Abrams.
      “For the 2A82-M1 there are high-explosive fragmentation and sub-caliber ammunition, as well as a guided missile,” Murakhovsky clarifies. “But most importantly, the tank was equipped with a unique fire control system with automatic target tracking. relevant amendments ".

      https://ria.ru/20191004/1559407513.html
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 14 October 2019 15: 32
        +1
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        The Arena-M complex automatically detects incoming projectiles and, from a distance of several meters, fires special destructive ammunition at them.

        This is put at the request of the customer. And it seems that it doesn’t go to our army
        1. provergatel
          provergatel 15 October 2019 15: 33
          +1
          Somewhere I came across that we have regulations governing the use of tanks, so far do not allow them to be implemented. Because, as I understand it, when tanks are used together with the infantry, all the infantry will find a karachun when the "Arena" is triggered.
          1. Deathmaker
            Deathmaker 15 October 2019 20: 47
            0
            Well, as it were, the cloud was shrapnel, which is still lovely.
            on the other hand, no one is sending tanks in the infantry chain now, as in the VO.
      2. Evil Booth
        Evil Booth 15 October 2019 17: 26
        -1
        the growth of the mares the fall of the resource Your Cap, but since you have already decided that it is so-so well wow mb and they were not mistaken kh e khe
  9. Nadrub
    Nadrub 14 October 2019 10: 51
    +1
    Vidos is more like a jeep — pokatushki in nature with shooting at jars, but that's not finalization, barbecue and barbecue is not visible :)
  10. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 14 October 2019 11: 07
    +1
    About clumsiness is not true.
    Tank Abrams is similar in dynamics to the T-80 tank.
    The turbine allows you to make sharp accelerations that are not available to the diesel engine.
    A jerk from the place of Abrams can be repeated only by the T-80.
    And the tank is much quieter than any diesel tanks.
    But Abrams is more expensive and more difficult to operate. Requires qualified
    technicians.
    Therefore, the Egyptians prefer T-90
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 14 October 2019 11: 13
      +13
      voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 11: 07
      But Abrams is more expensive and more difficult to operate. Requires qualified
      technicians.
      A type T-90 can any shepherd disassemble and assemble?
      And the tank is much quieter than any diesel tanks.
      This is if the tank is in front of you, have you ever stood behind the T-80?
      But Abrams is more expensive
      Yeah, and he eats fuel like a herd of elephants.
      About clumsiness is not true.
      True!
    2. Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
      Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich 14 October 2019 11: 27
      +6
      Nifiga in the t-80 dynamics is not visible tank on a diesel engine will accelerate faster due to the features of the engine itself. The turbine needs some time to gain the desired speed; the diesel engine does this almost immediately as soon as the rail changes its position, the engine immediately changes speed with a minimum delay. With my own eyes I saw the t-80 in its unit at the training ground more than once. At maximum speed, the t-80 is ahead of the rest of the planet.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 14 October 2019 11: 50
        +6
        Quote: Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
        Nifiga in the t-80 dynamics is not visible tank on a diesel engine will accelerate faster due to the features of the engine itself.

        but in the winter ... he sat down and drove off. wink
        1. Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
          Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich 14 October 2019 12: 17
          +2
          Well, in winter, that's for sure)) the diesel still needs to be heated with a boiler)) and the advantages of a gas turbine engine are that it feels better in the heat)
      2. garri-lin
        garri-lin 14 October 2019 20: 38
        +1
        There are many nuances. T 80. The turbine can be deployed in advance. Fuel overrun of course. But in battle it is permissible. In an unexpected situation, you are probably right.
    3. vfwfr
      vfwfr 14 October 2019 11: 35
      +1
      Sand, even very fine sand ... This is Turbina's enemy ... This minus covers all the pluses ..
      1. Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
        Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich 14 October 2019 12: 18
        +3
        The minus is serious, therefore the air purification system takes half the MTO)
    4. Alexey G
      Alexey G 14 October 2019 22: 25
      +2
      Complex and expensive tanks are the way to defeat, as the experience of the Second World War showed. Panthers and Tigers were just expensive and complicated! And acceleration is certainly good, but I remember our BT7 and BT5 also flew on an aircraft engine and almost all died in 1941. Who needs a breakthrough if after a couple of days the tank is broken and does not fight. The tank must be reliable, and if it is constantly under repair ?? What is the benefit and what is its advantage? The fact that he will not be where he should be? The fact that his friend will fight in a numerical minority?
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    5. tomket
      tomket 15 October 2019 00: 35
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      And the tank is much quieter than any diesel tanks.

      How is it that such a whistle costs ....
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The turbine allows you to make sharp accelerations that are not available to the diesel engine.

      And the sense of that jerk?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 15 October 2019 00: 59
        -1
        "What's the point with that jerk?" ////
        ----
        Like this? This is the basis of the battle. Abrupt movement is a shot.
        Abrupt movement is a shot. In a jerk you bring down the enemy
        from the sight: both the ATGM and the arrow of the enemy tank.
        If the movement is slow, then he continues to accompany
        Your tank is in sight.
        1. Siberian54
          Siberian54 15 October 2019 07: 06
          +1
          And at extreme distances, a sharp jerk-braking made it possible to remove a weak spot from the projectile's flight path
        2. Alexey G
          Alexey G 15 October 2019 22: 40
          0
          Yes, therefore, the Husites probably cannot get into abrams from old grenade launchers? That's just the facts say the opposite. An action cat is sitting in ambush with an old RPG, an American cat is beating and burning! Probably can’t make a breakthrough in the village? Or does the turbine not plow especially?
          In addition, seriously, modern Ptur are no longer accompanied by an operator. Shot scored! Let him run away from the rocket and this ... also let him kick the barrel there or Nesterov’s loop! Suddenly help! laughing
        3. Alexey G
          Alexey G 15 October 2019 22: 44
          0
          laughing better like this: shot, made a jerk and stalled! Then he got on board and the Negroes rushed to run somewhere to where under the bullets of snipers!
    6. Deathmaker
      Deathmaker 15 October 2019 20: 50
      0
      How long has GTE become quiet?
    7. Quadro
      Quadro 15 October 2019 21: 50
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      About clumsiness is not true.
      Tank Abrams is similar in dynamics to the T-80 tank.

      And in weight it looks like it’s not clear what. Not all bridges will withstand this tarantas, and given that Egypt is not famous for autobahns and steep bridges, write is gone. We can say that in the desert it does not matter, but that's just all the cities and settlements in the so-called. oases around rivers and ponds where there is greenery and normal soil, which means bridges are needed. By the way, the whole problem of Western tanks should be understood in Europe, with their traditional miniature and weak bridges and a bunch of streams.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 15 October 2019 21: 56
        -1
        Weight and clumsiness are two different things. If the engine is strong, then a very heavy tank
        movable. About bridges - you're right. In Iraq, Abrams fell from bridges during
        American cast to Baghdad. And in Egypt they are falling.
        It is necessary to carry with them the bridges, not hoping
        on the strength of local structures.
        1. Alexey G
          Alexey G 15 October 2019 22: 45
          0
          Abrams is a heavy and useless Cold War era bandura!
  11. otstoy
    otstoy 14 October 2019 11: 22
    +3
    The Egyptians are better at podshamanit T-55 and T-62, than to buy new tanks. All current wars have shown that they most likely need a cheap simple tank than the latest one, which burns down from 2-3 RPGs.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 14 October 2019 11: 46
      +1
      For whom do you consider the Egyptians, offering them frank trash?
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 14 October 2019 13: 17
      +4
      No.

      Egypt is now in an interesting situation:
      in the west is an ally of Haftar.
      in the east of Israel and there are no plans to fight with it.
      the situation with the Saudis is not as good as 2-3 years ago. Yes, and 2-3 years ago, Egypt could balance, taking money and providing only logistic / managerial support in Yemen, without soldiers.

      Remains Sinai - where is the toyotami of the broads.

      However, do not forget about Ethiopia. They are building a dam that will block the oxygen to Egypt, literally. Egypt threatens to bomb the dam. Ethiopians threaten to break Egypt’s hands. All negotiations on this topic have failed.

      If something is opposed to Egypt by the Msts, the Chinese anti-tank systems and the 200 T-72UA



      Air Shell + С-125 Ukrainian modernized in 13-16.



      With the increase in penetration through Djibouti, the Chinese may have brought more Chinese. The same new MBT.
      1. Evil Booth
        Evil Booth 15 October 2019 17: 30
        0
        belay the proof of platinum on platinum is also a suspicion that this is not a whirlpool, but an extremely long set of reservoirs for hydroelectric power plants, which is uncritical by virtue of its duration, to collect water from the mono from the rains, storing it in the pits, as civilizations lived, and they had enough for millions of people year, it was like that in the region of present-day Syria, Egypt is still successful and continues to make new puddles in India and this country for hundreds of thousands of people
  12. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 14 October 2019 11: 52
    +2
    The same old rifles at times in Chechnya sometimes held several RPG rounds and abrashki remained in service without dz, so that everything would burn out in their place, now there are no tank armada and there is no sense in those abrashki.
    1. Quadro
      Quadro 15 October 2019 21: 55
      0
      The essence of abrashka is not in dz, but the fact that they put uranium on the forehead (which is not put on export), with dz they have been very sad for a long time, they are not far from the first versions and put only for on-board protection.
  13. Erik
    Erik 14 October 2019 12: 07
    -5
    Putin wants to help the Saudis? The fact that they got hooked up with a hattab and a free tour in their madrassah? Thus fueling Wahhabism in the Caucasus? Brothers ... well, gentlemen? We drown for the Saudis, right? Patriots.
    1. Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
      Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich 14 October 2019 12: 23
      +5
      Business is nothing personal) all the more so the same Putin has long reassured those thugs. We all love German cars, tools and special equipment) I remember the Germans and united Europe killed 30 million of our compatriots .. doesn’t it bother you?
      1. Erik
        Erik 14 October 2019 19: 44
        -4
        It would be better not to write anything, take it from the surface. The Germans are vaccinated. And in the Caucasus, guys from all over Russia reassured.
        1. Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
          Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich 14 October 2019 21: 54
          -1
          Right now I'm talking about the Saudis if Che. What kind of vaccination does the Germans have there ??
          1. Erik
            Erik 15 October 2019 05: 31
            -2
            Defeat in WWII, East Germany. Where did they get to know us better. So, Putin did not climb mountains. In this country, they give you exactly so that you do not swell. Although I doubt it already. Given that some drugs began to fall. And some have already disappeared. Hypocrisy pervades this earth. Business, nothing personal. And myopia. Or are they paying for it?
            1. Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
              Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich 15 October 2019 13: 57
              -1
              Let's just say that without political will the guys would die in the Caucasus. The army would have been betrayed further as under Yeltsin and his oligarchic encirclement in the person of Comrade Berezovsky and Co. So this is what you are looking at from above. If Putin had the power in 1994 and those who stood behind him the war would not have gained momentum and so much blood would not have been shed. Nobody forgot what the Saudis were doing while under the Americans and what role they played in that war, but now they are solving global issues of big politics on the sidelines and those events are fading into the background because this is not important now. The fate of the Middle East is being decided, which cannot but worry us. For several reasons.
              1. Erik
                Erik 15 October 2019 21: 03
                0
                Now how? Are the oligarchs gone? Or are they tame? Or how? They just realized that they could bend steel, as well as the army of Spartak. Well, you get the point. At BV, only one question is solved, whose capital is cooler! And so, I don’t believe in miracles, tea is not a boy already. I do not suffer from patriotic delirium, and this is with an empty stomach. Time to collect stones for betraying the conquest of ancestors. Hey urapatrioty! More cons! While things are being settled there in BV, the poor are growing here. Until the eyes open, we will collect tacts for the children with sms for treatment. But you believe, believe!
                1. Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
                  Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich 16 October 2019 06: 34
                  -1
                  A couple of you Astap suffered somewhere)) do not believe part of the oligarchs pressed his ass or dumped it on a hill for permanent residence, someone even even died suddenly. You know the obedient oligarch is even better than the dead)) about SMS for children it’s nothing wrong with the fact that instead of packing a pack of cigarettes or a bottle of beer once a month, a citizen sends children around the world 100-300 rubles as they say, I dispatch regularly and here’s what you know how many children throughout the country are treated according to the state quota? It’s just that the first is a lot of sick children and money is money, and the second sometimes simply through the fund, you can wait for help, maybe even go abroad. A lot of things are being decided on BV and this directly concerns us too. About the poor, of course we don’t live in chocolate, but you can live and buy a car for yourself and a hut in a mortgage like in the whole world, although the percentage is not the same as in the USA 2%, and sometimes you can fly to Turkey without starvation; children don’t die at school and universities. And the ancestors won us first of all the fact that we live a peaceful life and do not swell with hunger, and in concentration camps we do not sting with them always eternal memory and the kingdom of heaven for their feat. It’s necessary not to chew snot, but to work, to work again, and to work on yourself as well. Nobody is to blame for the fact that I do not have a higher education because I was a three-year-old at school and did not go to the budget? But the state gave me an education anyway in a technical school, and I entered the tower on the budget when I was already working, though I really didn’t learn and again the state is not to blame. VV that can do what it is, but Dimon is still the one with his party EP. Drive them necessary.
                  1. Erik
                    Erik 16 October 2019 09: 52
                    0
                    There are no manual oligarchs. There are those who promote their interests. Who is the cc and yes. Time will judge. And uzhn soon. And so, think about why such a dollar rate.
                    1. Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
                      Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich 16 October 2019 10: 51
                      -1
                      Why is the hryvnia exchange rate so ?? Because the economy is there, or Che?)))) But what else is the one who replenishes the budget with taxes most of all ???
                      1. Erik
                        Erik 17 October 2019 18: 56
                        0
                        And what about Ukraine? I live in Russia.
                      2. Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
                        Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich 17 October 2019 19: 29
                        0
                        And what does the dollar have to do with it?) The exchange rate of any currency is generally a moot point Well with the Dolar, at least it’s clear why it’s expensive such a leading world economy anyway ..
  14. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 14 October 2019 12: 11
    0
    We can see the T-90С in Saudi Arabia and Turkey in the near future
    in Turkey it’s unlikely that they are promoting their Altai, though they’ve quoted their own in quotes that it’s not clear with their engines and so on, Europe seems to have stopped supplying military products to the Turks
  15. yehat
    yehat 14 October 2019 12: 12
    0
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    very rich Egypt does not have much

    Egypt is far from a poor country. They do not have the same per capita income as in Saudi Arabia, but there are still small arguments.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 14 October 2019 13: 04
      +4
      Egypt is a poor country with a population of 100 million.
      Her income comes from the Suez Canal and tourism. It's all.
      They are intensely seeking oil and gas. Offshore gas, fortunately
      found. Egypt and Saudi Arabia are afloat financially afloat.
      They pay for the purchase of weapons.
  16. Berkut24
    Berkut24 14 October 2019 12: 17
    +1
    Buying military equipment is largely a political step. Equipment must be serviced, repaired, replenished ammunition. This means that there should be a good relationship with the producing country.
    1. brat07
      brat07 16 October 2019 02: 39
      0
      Buying military equipment is largely a political step.

      That's right, unfortunately.
      I would like to add that the sale of our, in this case, military equipment is a political step on our part.
      IMHO.
  17. Strashila
    Strashila 14 October 2019 12: 19
    0
    "The Arab media explained why Egypt preferred the T-90 Abramsam tanks," At the same time, the Russian T-90s proved to be excellent on various battlefields - in the Caucasus, Syria, Iraq. ", Especially in Iraq, when their American allies thrown to repair equipment.
  18. Basarev
    Basarev 14 October 2019 12: 54
    -5
    And the budget T-72B3, bottom cars, which all other countries laugh at, are their own. Hold, wretched, that we are worthless.
    1. Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
      Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich 14 October 2019 21: 57
      +1
      And what do you dislike about the t-72b3 and arr. 2016?
    2. Alexey G
      Alexey G 14 October 2019 22: 33
      -1
      Duck on us if we trample with T34 we will beat everyone! Donbass remember! There are a lot of tanks dill burned! Even the T34 was removed from the pedestal! To beat Bendera’s reptile!
    3. Quadro
      Quadro 15 October 2019 21: 57
      0
      Lord, maybe you will pay for the purchase of the T-14 and T-90M from your pocket? For what they will pay, they will give them.
  19. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 October 2019 13: 16
    0
    It should also be noted the expensive service and the danger of catching sanctions. And Obama has recently introduced them.
  20. Pecheneg
    Pecheneg 14 October 2019 13: 20
    0
    It seems the UAE? no?
  21. rotfuks
    rotfuks 14 October 2019 14: 15
    +3
    I recall that at the very beginning of the games the “tank biathlon” was invited to participate in the project by the German “leopards” and “abrams” and many more. But all categorically refused. It turned out that playing in tanks and participating in real projects are completely different things. And the participation of tanks in hostilities really puts everything in its place.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 14 October 2019 15: 36
      +1
      Quote: rotfuks
      to participate in the project and the German "leopards" and "Abrams" and many more

      NATO holds its competition
      1. Quadro
        Quadro 15 October 2019 21: 58
        0
        But only in NATO is not a tank biathlon, but simply large-scale exercises of tank crews, have you ever seen a video of this event?
    2. brat07
      brat07 16 October 2019 03: 15
      0
      Quote: rotfuks
      I recall that at the very beginning of the games the “tank biathlon” was invited to participate in the project by the German “leopards” and “abrams” and many more. But all categorically refused. It turned out that playing in tanks and participating in real projects are completely different things. And the participation of tanks in hostilities really puts everything in its place.

      I recall that at the very beginning of the games the “tank biathlon” was invited to participate in the project by the German “leopards” and “abrams” and many more.

      But why did they refuse?
      Can you tell me?
      I am very interested because I'm not in the "topic".
      Because I did not watch these games.
  22. yehat
    yehat 14 October 2019 15: 16
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Egypt is a poor country with a population of 100 million.
    Her income comes from the Suez Canal and tourism. It's all.
    They are intensely seeking oil and gas. Offshore gas, fortunately
    found. Egypt and Saudi Arabia are afloat financially afloat.
    They pay for the purchase of weapons.

    Egypt has no worse conditions than Israel.
    the fact that they do not develop industry is their internal problems
    and financial handouts don't solve problems.
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  24. capsid
    capsid 14 October 2019 18: 06
    0
    All tanks are iron, it burns and breaks !!
  25. serge siberian
    serge siberian 14 October 2019 18: 48
    0
    Many want cheap and cheerful, which means the Egyptians prefer the T-90.
  26. APASUS
    APASUS 14 October 2019 21: 46
    +3
    T-90 is the best in terms of price and quality. The Americans usually donate additional equipment to donated equipment. For the whole prostate of the transaction, Abrams still does not come out cheaply
  27. Inspector
    Inspector 15 October 2019 00: 52
    +1
    And when in the Russian army?
    1. Quadro
      Quadro 15 October 2019 21: 59
      0
      When they order then they will be. Or do you think the Egyptians will be given a freebie?
  28. Alexey Brylev
    Alexey Brylev 15 October 2019 04: 15
    +2
    And we have many experts stubbornly compare tanks exclusively to those. characteristics without taking into account actual combat use and feedback from operators. In fact, the decisive factor in the actual use of tanks is the maximum balance of all their characteristics. T-90 is balanced.
    1. lelik613
      lelik613 15 October 2019 05: 09
      0
      It is necessary to compare by position groups: the ability to break through the enemy’s front edge, the ability to destroy enemy tanks, protection against enemy weapons, structural reliability and maintainability (combined with the duration of the repair time, combined with the speed and ease of assembly and disassembly of units, as well as the availability of spare parts and consumables).
  29. Nitarius
    Nitarius 15 October 2019 08: 10
    0
    well handsome on the sand goes))) where the cars get in ... the tank goes easily))
  30. Deathmaker
    Deathmaker 15 October 2019 20: 09
    0
    Well, to Turkey, it is very unlikely, because they are trying to move their tank. And let the Saudis, they will merge everything. Abrams is in every way more pretentious than the T-90, and their bobla is like a flea on a mutton.
  31. Deathmaker
    Deathmaker 15 October 2019 20: 53
    0
    Quote: donavi49
    S-125 Ukrainian modernized in 13-16 years

    Well, I would immediately put it out of the blue. Or direct fire at the first tanks and throw.
  32. SovietUnit
    SovietUnit 17 October 2019 10: 54
    -2
    It is sad that while our foreign partners are lining up for our T90, our geniuses of capitalist labor continue to carry out a miserable modernization of the old T72, and play with the T14 toy in parades
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