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РЈ F-35 Р'Р'РЎ Норвегии РѕР ± РЅР ° ружили РїСЂРѕР ± Р» РµРјС ‹СЃ тормоР· РЅРѕР№ СЃРёСЃСЂРРј

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Norwegian F-35 have a unique feature that distinguishes them from versions of this fighter, collected for other countries, but it does not work as required, writes Defense News. This unusual feature is a parachute, which is used to brake the aircraft when landing in northern conditions.


РЈ F-35 Р'Р'РЎ Норвегии РѕР ± РЅР ° ружили РїСЂРѕР ± Р» РµРјС ‹СЃ тормоР· РЅРѕР№ СЃРёСЃСЂРРј


This does not work as we expected. However, our experience with the F-35 on slippery runways of airfields is that it is safer and simpler than the F-16. [...] Thanks to the stability of the F-35 aircraft, it is easier to take off and land at slippery airfields

says General Tonya Skinnarland, Scandinavian Air Force Chief.

According to Lockheed Martin, the Norwegian F-35 brake drive is designed as a container between the vertical stabilizers of the aircraft. Activating the switch releases the parachute, which creates resistance, helping the car slow down the lane faster.

Norway has extremely high reliability requirements, requiring no more than one failure in 10 000 applications. However, flight tests last year, as well as subsequent experiments showed that the current circuit does not meet the specified standard, problems with brakes were found. Norway is currently the only country to purchase the F-35 with this type of braking system.

They are working on it.


Lockheed Martin spokesman Mike Friedman said that a new prototype of the structure is already undergoing technological research necessary to eliminate complaints, and that the tasks are on schedule. At the same time, General Skinnarland explains that it’s “important for us to fix” everything before the 2020 – 2021 winter season, although unpleasant discoveries in any situation will not interfere with the operation of the aircraft in accordance with the schedule.

Despite problems, the Norwegian military is determined to use their F-35. By 2022, the air forces of the Scandinavian state will receive enough fighters to make stealth take on the task of intercepting aircraft flying near national airspace. According to Skinnarland, only then Oslo will be able to completely abandon its F-16, which form the basis of the park now.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 14 October 2019 09: 26
    +7
    ELIMINATE! And then new problems will appear, "hatch" or old ones become dangerous / unacceptable!
    The stripes made a gorgeous feint ... with a penguin and can still have money, but with the plane itself and with everything that accompanies it, a lot of things are not okay .... will it last ??? until it ends, the plane, its operation. This pepelats will never reach the declared "heights", but they will work on it, they will use it in the future and they will never try to use it again.
    1. novel66
      novel66 14 October 2019 10: 00
      +5
      problems with the brakes ?? Estonian driving !! Hello, hello! hi
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 14 October 2019 10: 17
        +3
        РЈ F-35 Р'Р'РЎ Норвегии РѕР ± РЅР ° ружили РїСЂРѕР ± Р» РµРјС ‹СЃ тормоР· РЅРѕР№ СЃРёСЃСЂРРј
        There is a Russian proverb, gentlemen: "the coward came up with the brakes!" yes
        1. novel66
          novel66 14 October 2019 10: 21
          +5
          apparently, the commander of the ship was like that with us - he was trying to slow down on the run, but we were going to change tires, that’s what his name was - ace Pokryshkin
          1. Aerodrome
            Aerodrome 14 October 2019 10: 26
            +5
            Quote: novel xnumx
            apparently, the commander of the ship was like that with us - he was trying to slow down on the run, but we were going to change tires, that’s what his name was - ace Pokryshkin

            cool "drove" ... probably proud! wassat
            1. novel66
              novel66 14 October 2019 10: 29
              +3
              echoed the surname, was terribly offended ... and even ran into the milestones - two cylinders! Tu-95 if that ..
              1. Aerodrome
                Aerodrome 14 October 2019 11: 08
                +2
                Quote: novel xnumx
                echoed the surname, was terribly offended ... and even ran into the milestones - two cylinders! Tu-95 if that ..

                belay requesthowever ... an evil long-range ...
                1. novel66
                  novel66 14 October 2019 11: 11
                  +2
                  and so heavy !!
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 14 October 2019 10: 43
        +2
        Quote: novel xnumx
        problems with the brakes ?? Estonian driving !! Hello, hello! hi

        Hello Roman soldier
        The idea is of course original, only ... but in that case the pepelats will take off ??? or so, drive through the taxiing on the brakes.
        However, there is a vertical takeoff landing! possible on the brakes ... though, the brake guys can arrange an air brake too!
        An old anecdote about the "stop-cock" on the plane!
        1. novel66
          novel66 14 October 2019 10: 44
          +3
          then you need sparks - norg takes off, sits est
          1. Leopold
            Leopold 14 October 2019 12: 01
            +5
            And during the flight? Autopilot? wink
            1. novel66
              novel66 14 October 2019 12: 22
              +2
              only amer (or jew!)
              1. Leopold
                Leopold 14 October 2019 12: 28
                +4
                He himself said - spark, but what happens? Where is there a third to shove?
                1. novel66
                  novel66 14 October 2019 12: 44
                  +2
                  in crowded but not mad!
                  1. Leopold
                    Leopold 14 October 2019 12: 49
                    +3
                    And I always thought that there was one pilot in the fighters, but it’s like Avon! laughing
                    1. novel66
                      novel66 14 October 2019 13: 10
                      +2
                      well, offhand - a tomket and a Su-30, already two each
                      1. Leopold
                        Leopold 14 October 2019 15: 43
                        +4
                        Tyk you already stuffed three! What kind of model is this?
                      2. novel66
                        novel66 14 October 2019 17: 23
                        +2
                        promising ... three in a boat ..
                      3. Leopold
                        Leopold 14 October 2019 19: 22
                        +4
                        Where is the dog?
                      4. Masha
                        Masha 14 October 2019 20: 06
                        +3
                        under its own power ....
                      5. novel66
                        novel66 14 October 2019 20: 08
                        +2
                        in the bomb gate, there is an example
                      6. Masha
                        Masha 14 October 2019 20: 23
                        +4
                        leaked ??? laughing
                      7. novel66
                        novel66 14 October 2019 20: 29
                        +1
                        Oh. Masha, good to see !! love she lives there!
                      8. Masha
                        Masha 14 October 2019 20: 43
                        +4
                        Roman, hi! love
                        and she wants to fly ... wink
                      9. novel66
                        novel66 14 October 2019 20: 44
                        +2
                        here it flies, and the plane is bombing ...
                      10. Masha
                        Masha 14 October 2019 21: 07
                        +3
                        the bomb-gate has settled ... I’m even afraid to imagine what it is bombing .... recourse
                        it’s good that the cows don’t fly ...
                        but they didn’t guess .... laughing
                        .
                      11. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 14 October 2019 21: 13
                        +2
                        Quote: Masha
                        it’s good that the cows don’t fly ..

                        And the eagles do not fall? laughing
                      12. Masha
                        Masha 14 October 2019 21: 20
                        +4
                        So let’s drink for the eagles not to fall, and the rams not to fly! drinks
                      13. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 14 October 2019 21: 24
                        +2
                        Quote: Masha
                        So let’s drink for the eagles not to fall, and the rams not to fly!

                        Vo, Yoklmn, but I thought that few people know this toast ... fellow
                      14. Masha
                        Masha 14 October 2019 21: 31
                        +4
                        ЕПРСТ ....... laughing
                      15. novel66
                        novel66 14 October 2019 21: 30
                        +2
                        thereby, thereby ... to spite the enemy!
                      16. Masha
                        Masha 14 October 2019 21: 41
                        +3
                        To the delight of people! yes
                      17. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 14 October 2019 20: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: Masha
                        Roman, hi!
                        and she wants to fly ...

                        Who wants to fly?
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 14 October 2019 09: 36
    +3
    РЈ F-35 Р'Р'РЎ Норвегии РѕР ± РЅР ° ружили РїСЂРѕР ± Р» РµРјС ‹СЃ тормоР· РЅРѕР№ СЃРёСЃСЂРРј
    You must be able to fly, what kind of brakes. The Japanese did not slow down the plane they lost, but these still did not really fly, and there, oh, I'm afraid, I'm afraid. Vikings mom is yours. feel What is stopping the conveyor because of you?
  3. Kerensky
    Kerensky 14 October 2019 09: 36
    +1
    Of course they’ll eliminate it, only they set strange dates for themselves:
    before the winter season 2020–2021
    1. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 14 October 2019 09: 54
      +1
      Quote: Kerensky
      Of course they’ll eliminate it, only they set strange dates for themselves:
      before the winter season 2020–2021

      What's so strange? Winter-19/20 has already come, and before the next winter another year, any problem can be eliminated.
      1. novel66
        novel66 14 October 2019 10: 22
        +2
        and how much for winter f_35 will roll out per strip?
        1. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 14 October 2019 10: 32
          0
          Quote: novel xnumx
          and how much for winter f_35 will roll out per strip?

          Well, you yourself understand that for the remaining weeks before the calendar winter, the problem can not be solved. And the actual OZP has already come about a week or two ago. Well, they will start rolling out, so they will introduce restrictions on flights from runways with a low coefficient of adhesion, or in general the entire fleet will land before elimination. Somehow they lived so many years without the F-35, somehow even before April they would stretch without them. :)
          I don’t understand another thing - why did they manage to screw up such a thing with the parachute system that it began to issue failures? The elementary thing: one electromagnetic lock, a cap, and a lump of ropes and fabric, known back in the 1930s. What is there to break? Is the dome and slings freezing after flying over an unfrozen sea?
          1. novel66
            novel66 14 October 2019 10: 35
            +2
            apparently yes the whole thing is flying over the sea
            1. Leopold
              Leopold 14 October 2019 12: 04
              +7
              They still have not abandoned the F-16? In the winter in the 16s, in the summer in the 35s - and so on until troubleshooting. belay
              1. novel66
                novel66 14 October 2019 12: 21
                +3
                it remains to buy something demi-season
                1. Leopold
                  Leopold 14 October 2019 12: 26
                  +5
                  Better at once - all-weather, otherwise there will be nowhere to store all this "wealth".
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 14 October 2019 12: 45
                    +2
                    then ours !!! lol
                    1. Leopold
                      Leopold 14 October 2019 12: 51
                      +4
                      Do not prompt, and indeed really think. And the Americans will write you down in sanctions. crying
                      1. novel66
                        novel66 14 October 2019 13: 09
                        +2
                        I would say that their sanction is due ....
                2. Avis-bis
                  Avis-bis 14 October 2019 14: 15
                  0
                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  it remains to buy something demi-season

                  Saabs, there is a reverse.
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 14 October 2019 14: 22
                    +2
                    But are they not Chinese yet ??
                    1. Avis-bis
                      Avis-bis 14 October 2019 14: 27
                      0
                      Quote: novel xnumx
                      But are they not Chinese yet ??

                      I think no. I'm not talking about the automotive division.
                      1. novel66
                        novel66 14 October 2019 14: 31
                        +2
                        it’s a pity it would be funny!
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 14 October 2019 10: 27
      +1
      Quote: Kerensky
      Of course they’ll eliminate it, only they set strange dates for themselves:
      before the winter season 2020–2021

      and to immediately put a "spike" ... yes
      1. Leopold
        Leopold 14 October 2019 12: 08
        +6
        Well, they themselves all the belly end with these thorns. Yes, and the service staff during take-off and landing somewhere in the bunker should hide. lol
  4. knn54
    knn54 14 October 2019 09: 42
    +1
    It is necessary to supply salt / sand bags complete with F-35. And the problem will go away ...
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 14 October 2019 10: 32
      0
      Quote: knn54
      It is necessary to supply salt / sand bags complete with F-35. And the problem will go away ...

      Well then add to the kit a special means for stopping the vehicle "Barrier" or "Hedgehog". Such, you know, a tape with spikes, to pierce the wheels laughing Get up, as if in a ditch ... laughing
      1. Avis-bis
        Avis-bis 14 October 2019 11: 24
        0
        Then the aerofinisher and the emergency barrier.

        And "hedgehogs" will not work against planes.
  5. Amateur
    Amateur 14 October 2019 09: 45
    +3
    00: 04, 14 October 2019 (tape.ru)
    Russian containment by the “northern” F-35 breaks
    The fifth-generation F-35A Lightning II fighter’s brake parachute of Norway’s Royal Air Force is not reliable enough and needs to be improved, Defense News writes.

    Lived! VO reprints from "Lenta".
  6. stels_07
    stels_07 14 October 2019 09: 52
    0
    ".. so that stealth takes over the task of intercepting aircraft flying near the national airspace" - I suggest launching large drones along their borders more often, so they will spend a lot of money on intercepting them
    1. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 14 October 2019 14: 20
      0
      Quote: stels_07
      launch more often large drones

      We don't have them. Altair / Altius and Hunter are still in the prototype stage.
  7. aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 October 2019 10: 18
    +3
    However, last year’s flight tests, as well as subsequent experiments, showed that the current design does not meet the specified standard, brake problems detected.

    It’s a serious case. Without brakes kirdyk.
    In Afghanistan, there were spirits who were not at war with us (there were such). For their deeds they gave up the old, killed "sheha". We left somehow. Come - "No brakes!" We looked - tore off the hose and the liquid flowed out. Our soldier began to do. And do it conscientiously. The commander came up and gave the appropriate instruction. The spirits are gone. A day later they arrive by other transport. We ask - "Where is the gift?" Answer - "No brake, the gorge has fallen! Together with the kagal". wink The gratitude to the soldier was announced.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 14 October 2019 10: 29
      +3
      Quote: aszzz888
      "No brake, the gorge has fallen!

      sorry damn ... "six" ... crying
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 14 October 2019 10: 31
        +2
        Aerodrome (Aerodrom) Today, 10: 29 NEW
        +1
        Quote: aszzz888
        "No brake, the gorge has fallen!

        sorry damn ... "six" ... crying

        Me too. Served! wink
  8. Shuttle
    Shuttle 14 October 2019 10: 40
    0
    Despite problems, the Norwegian military is determined to use their F-35.


    Non opus est explicare.
    (lat. There is no need to explain.)
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 14 October 2019 10: 59
    +1
    “However, our experience with operating the F-35 on slippery airfields is that it is safer and easier than the F-16. […] The stability of the F-35 makes it easier to take off and land on slippery airfields." /// /
    ----
    Apart from the title of the article, as usual, no one has read
    and did not notice that she, in fact, laudatory. smile
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 14 October 2019 12: 02
      -4
      Well, of course, laudatory. Then your friends wrote to themselves about their beloved ones.
      Etozh only to us, Russian silently laudatory articles can not be written.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 14 October 2019 12: 03
        +1
        Norway is not friends with Israel. Like Sweden.
    2. NN52
      NN52 14 October 2019 12: 37
      +3
      voyaka uh
      Have you ever seen how and where you "attached" (another word is difficult to find ..) the TP container for this device for Norway?
      It will be very interesting to hear your opinion after viewing your photos ... About stealth, invisibility, etc. .....
      And it seems that you did not speak very "flatteringly" about the location of the OLS on the Su 57, and the binding of the cockpit ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 14 October 2019 12: 45
        +2
        Saw. Here is a photo.

        Of course, this increases the ESR from above, and the average ESR.
        But it does not cancel, what I wrote about the frontal EPR of the Su-57.
        And on Rafale there is an outer binding of the cabin and a stupid one
        fixed boom for refueling. I scolded Rafal. smile
  10. Berkut24
    Berkut24 14 October 2019 12: 23
    0
    After the start of Russian supplies of some weapons to NATO countries, it is logical to propose that the unfortunate F-35 be brought to mind by the Sukhoi Design Bureau.
  11. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 14 October 2019 12: 40
    0
    They’ll finish, finish, replace the software ... This is normal for the Fu-35 and expected ... We must ask the Russian Foreign Ministry to give the Norwegians a big box of condoms for the New Year. On the side, stick a colorful photo of the Fu-35 and the inscription: Oh, and you get lured with it ... From Russia with love!
  12. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 14 October 2019 13: 04
    0
    ... so that the stealth takes on the task of intercepting aircraft ...

    In peacetime, wasting such an expensive resource for identification?
    Well, I don’t know ... if there is nowhere to put money, then you can hammer nails with a microscope. Even knowing approximately how much it costs to repair only stealth coverage, we wish them good luck in this routine operation for air defense.
  13. maidan.izrailovich
    maidan.izrailovich 14 October 2019 13: 11
    -1
    Aren't there many "childhood" diseases for the "super-mega-ultra" new aircraft? crying
  14. Avis-bis
    Avis-bis 14 October 2019 14: 34
    -1
    Quote: maidan.izrailovich
    Aren't there many "childhood" diseases for the "super-mega-ultra" new aircraft? crying

    These are precisely the ones that have the maximum possible value, because they are created at the redistribution of the capabilities of this stage of the NTP: B-29 ("a scattering of 100000 parts flying in a tight formation"), Tu-95 and "eMy", U-2 (a motor glider, which can fall apart in simple turbulence), F-104 (a lot of disasters even among technofan-Germans), Tu-144, and so on.
  15. Doliva63
    Doliva63 14 October 2019 18: 59
    -1
    The F-35 Norwegian Air Force has nothing more than a parachute in the braking system, I understand correctly? belay
    1. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 14 October 2019 21: 41
      +1
      Quote: Doliva63
      The F-35 Norwegian Air Force has nothing more than a parachute in the braking system, I understand correctly? belay

      With figal? Do you really think that the wheel brakes retain their effectiveness on the runway with low Ksst.? The aerodynamic brake here will not be superfluous. As far as I understand, the F-35 does not have a shield (and the reverse is difficult and expensive), so the parachute remains. In addition, he, unlike wheel brakes, will work to self-stabilize the aircraft on the run.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 15 October 2019 19: 46
        0
        Quote: Avis-bis
        Quote: Doliva63
        The F-35 Norwegian Air Force has nothing more than a parachute in the braking system, I understand correctly? belay

        With figal? Do you really think that the wheel brakes retain their effectiveness on the runway with low Ksst.? The aerodynamic brake here will not be superfluous. As far as I understand, the F-35 does not have a shield (and the reverse is difficult and expensive), so the parachute remains. In addition, he, unlike wheel brakes, will work to self-stabilize the aircraft on the run.

        Um. Talk about his mission to a former parachute stacker - a waste of time, by golly. It just amused me that the title is about the aircraft's tomose system, and in the article only about the PTK, if it is the entire aircraft braking system. laughing
        1. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 16 October 2019 09: 06
          0
          Quote: Doliva63

          Um. Talk about his mission to a former parachute stacker - a waste of time, by golly.

          It’s not written on your forehead by whom you were there in your army past. And from the posting this was also not clear.
          It just amused me that the title is about the aircraft's tomose system, and in the article only about the PTK, if it is the entire aircraft braking system. laughing

          Well, maybe, in English terminology, the parachute is part of the braking system, I'm not aware. The brake parachute ... And if there is a problem with the parachute, then it means that there is a problem in the braking system (it is not said that with all of it).
          Or, maybe in the original, it was written at all that "problems with braking on the run." Well, then "translation difficulties" came into play. For example, one of the English-language articles is titled "Norway's F-35s have a problem with a unique piece of gear". The last two words can be translated as "part of the chassis", although, in this case, most likely, "part of the equipment", "... mechanism", "... equipment", etc. is meant. (Yes, and "systems", probably, too, with some stretch). Well, if translated as "chassis" (and there are wheel brakes on the chassis) and there is a problem with braking on the run, then the problem is in the braking system. :) Who will understand them, these our magazines ...
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 16 October 2019 17: 22
            0
            Quote: Avis-bis
            Quote: Doliva63

            Um. Talk about his mission to a former parachute stacker - a waste of time, by golly.

            It’s not written on your forehead by whom you were there in your army past. And from the posting this was also not clear.
            It just amused me that the title is about the aircraft's tomose system, and in the article only about the PTK, if it is the entire aircraft braking system. laughing

            Well, maybe, in English terminology, the parachute is part of the braking system, I'm not aware. The brake parachute ... And if there is a problem with the parachute, then it means that there is a problem in the braking system (it is not said that with all of it).
            Or, maybe in the original, it was written at all that "problems with braking on the run." Well, then "translation difficulties" came into play. For example, one of the English-language articles is titled "Norway's F-35s have a problem with a unique piece of gear". The last two words can be translated as "part of the chassis", although, in this case, most likely, "part of the equipment", "... mechanism", "... equipment", etc. is meant. (Yes, and "systems", probably, too, with some stretch). Well, if translated as "chassis" (and there are wheel brakes on the chassis) and there is a problem with braking on the run, then the problem is in the braking system. :) Who will understand them, these our magazines ...

            But what a reason to talk! laughing drinks
            1. Avis-bis
              Avis-bis 16 October 2019 17: 42
              +1
              Quote: Doliva63

              But what a reason to talk! laughing drinks

              Yes, I am only "for". hi
              drinks
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 16 October 2019 18: 44
                0
                Quote: Avis-bis
                Quote: Doliva63

                But what a reason to talk! laughing drinks

                Yes, I am only "for". hi
                drinks

                As they said at other times: for the community of Species and Childbirth! laughing drinks
                1. Avis-bis
                  Avis-bis 16 October 2019 19: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  Quote: Avis-bis
                  Quote: Doliva63

                  But what a reason to talk! laughing drinks

                  Yes, I am only "for". hi
                  drinks

                  As they said at other times: for the community of Species and Childbirth! laughing drinks

                  fellow drinks