In China: the Russian GLONASS system is paralyzed, Beidou only competitors with GPS

Some time ago, China launched the next satellite of the Beidou navigation system into Earth orbit. We are talking about the Qianqin II satellite, which, as stated, uses an electronic chip that allows you to determine the coordinates of the object with minimal error. In the Chinese media, the device is called "the most high-tech in the field of satellite navigation."

Based on this information, the military section of the Chinese portal Sohu, based on this information, made a far-reaching conclusion that the Chinese navigation system Beidou today has only one competitor. This is an American GPS. The Chinese write about the Russian global positioning system GLONASS as follows:

Judging by official Russian sources, GLONASS has a lot of problems. The Russian system is paralyzed.

It is further stated that US GPS, "remaining the only Beidou competitor in the world," however, is "technologically obsolete." In Sohu, trying to enhance the information effect, they say that the number of satellites with high-tech electronics in the Chinese navigation system "is much larger than that of the US."

The material describes how important it is for China not only to develop its global positioning system, but also to promote it in the world market. Thus, examples are given of how, in the absence of competition, before the USA could afford to simply turn off GPS over a particular area in order to achieve military superiority of some over others. In particular, examples of such actions during the Indo-Pakistani conflict, the Persian Gulf war, and others are given.

According to official data, the accuracy of determining the coordinates of an object for the military sphere by the Beidou system is up to 2 m, for the civilian - up to 10 m.

Comments

[Nycomed]

You won’t praise yourself ...

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Nycomed

You won’t praise yourself ...

but we have the largest underwater constellation of such satellites

[Nycomed]

Yeah, led by the Mir station ...

[vkfriendly]

But we have satellites that rape your GPS and BAIDA and make us work for us. In general, in the event of a conflict, how long will these satellites live? The Americans have long forgotten what a compass and sextant are.

[kutuz]

"which your GPS and BAIDU will rape" and you all read fairy tales.

[regulus]

The legend is fresh ... Using a compass and a sextant is included in the basic training course for captains of even small vessels.

[tracer]

Sextants they have to fig all the colors of the rainbow

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nycomed

You won’t praise yourself ..

I agree, "every sandpiper praises his swamp", and no doubt promote the brand and PR

It is further stated that US GPS, "remaining the only Beidou competitor in the world," however, is "technologically obsolete"

Well, it's hard to disagree here. And probably many people noticed that if the Chinese begin to praise (advertise) something, then after a while THIS appears, at first it seems that it is weak, but after a short time it is a brand. And I won’t be surprised if in a couple of years the Chinese become the first in satellite navigation. And they will, sadly write it.

[Aerodrome]

In the military section of the Chinese portal Sohu

Sohu is a live edition ... clearly propaganda, and intended for internal use. why do we spread his bowel movements ???

[Greg Miller]

Quote: Aerodrome

In the military section of the Chinese portal Sohu

Sohu is a live edition ... clearly propaganda, and intended for internal use. why do we spread his bowel movements ???

Do you think that if this is not published, then GLONASS will flourish in space by itself?

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Greg Miller

Quote: Aerodrome

In the military section of the Chinese portal Sohu

Sohu is a live edition ... clearly propaganda, and intended for internal use. why do we spread his bowel movements ???

Do you think that if this is not published, then GLONASS will flourish in space by itself?

no, I don’t think that’s the point, I’m talking about "Sohu" ...

[maxim947]

One chatter, what exactly is inferior to GLONASS? We have been operating for a long time, satellites are constantly being upgraded as new ones are introduced, and the service life has already been doubled. There are no problems with GLONASS. Sohu are still those starballs, and something is too often and it’s not clear why recently they have been copied here

[mikle1999]

Well, for example, by the fact that initially it went along the deadlock path of frequency rather than code separation. And all attempts to jump to glonass-k are faced with the inability to get the element base under the conditions of sanctions. Actually, glonass was made on a stranger, which finally solved the problem with the resource. The question that is unclear - how much accumulated reserves will last - is forever or the whole program will be covered with a copper basin in front of an amazed audience.

[maxim947]

So that you build do not go once so smart.
Why are many sure that there are dolbaki sitting ?!
Is GLONASS functioning? - It works, that's all in the balance, the rest is for the most part an incompetent opinion.

[ratan524]

Nooo .... But why not "everywhere" !? Without this, nowhere))))

[Astra wild]

I would venture to suggest that the Chinese paid for advertising and the site conscientiously fulfills the pro-paid advertising. And if without humor, the site has no other sources at hand.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Greg Miller

Do you think that if this is not published, then GLONASS will flourish in space by itself?

At one time, they wrote somewhere (for reliability I can’t say) that in GLONAS the electronics used are mostly made in China.

[Sibiriya]

The problem with the satellites of the Glonass system is a large number of imported components. According to the latest information, it is planned to replace Glonass with a more advanced system.

[shark]

When purchasing components for Glonass, many "good" people warmed their hands. There are many mansions in the suburbs directed into space. Many "space" limousines travel the vastness of our Motherland. So, when they talk about Glonass's paralysis, I believe. But paralysis is not right now, in about five years we will begin to create "innovative, unparalleled in the world, on other physical principles ...." And so on, etc. Then we will be told that Glonass, created according to Western patterns, is very bad and that it is bad that the intrigues of the Anglo-Saxons are to blame. Now let's create our own. And he will be very good. Everything develops in a spiral ...

[Far East]

you please tell me the brand of china! the most (bre (n) dovy) just not the mobile phones popular around the world.

[Sergey777]

The huavei is immediately the first to look out and ours is far from it, a lot of what we can not do what the huaveans do.

[Far East]

Seryozha! apparently it's not destiny to read my (comment) for those who are poorly seeing: (just not mobile phones, popular all over the WORLD.) it was voiced by me! it is "your" to him far! ask the Chinese themselves "over STOPS of tea! about theirs (huavei) if there is such an opportunity! the Chinese TSATSKI (mobile electronics) prefer imported ones! Good luck! in purchasing Chinese TSATSKY!"

[mikle1999]

Huawei is not only mobile phones.

[Far East]

here, another (opus) Huawei is far from only mobile phones. oh, I, and, DID NOT KNOW! thank you for, then sho enlightened! "dark, I'm a man! (former sailor from 1996-2004) N-YES!

[Blackmokona]

Something precision in this high-tech electronics below the baseboard

Since 2010, space satellites of the GPS IIF version have been launched, which provide much higher accuracy in determining the coordinates. If GPS IIA / IIR / IIR-M devices have an error of 6 meters, then using new satellites it is possible to determine the location with an error of not more than 60-90 cm. Increased accuracy of next-generation GPS satellites made possible by the use of more accurate atomic clocks

[Lexus]

Your data is out of date. Today, half of the active GPS satellites are IIF. Do not forget to mention the fact that now Western components in GLONASS are frantically trying to "replace import" with Chinese ones, so as not to be like the criticized "yellow press" in terms of objectivity.

[Blackmokona]

And I write about llF re-read

[Voyager]

If VO continues to replicate this Sohu, or at least does not make a clearly visible subsection for this news, I personally will stop wasting time on this site.

[Blackmokona]

National Interest to the same place. What is the section "articles from third-party media"

[alexmach]

National Interest there too

All hope is for the "Bulletin of Mordovia" ...

I personally will stop wasting time on this site

This is a serious loss.

[Arturov]

Quote: alexmach

Bulletin of Mordovia "..

create a separate section for them, * for reindeer herders and commissars *

[Vol4ara]

Quote: alexmach

National Interest there too

All hope is for the "Bulletin of Mordovia" ...

I personally will stop wasting time on this site

This is a serious loss.

He is not alone

[alexmach]

He is not alone

The fact is that any single reader or user of the administration usually does not care. Any administration, not just local. Partly because it is actually impossible to please everyone, partly because some kind of editorial (or whatever) policy is necessary.

[Astra wild]

Forgive my naivety, but what does the "Bulletin of Mordovia" have to do with it?

[alexmach]

There are very few original news on VO, they reprint a significant part of the content from somewhere. Earlier, a lot of materials came out with a link to this very "Bulletin
Mordovia. "They referred to him almost as often as to NI and this is our Chinese source now. Looks like they published a lot of news about good weapons.

[WIKI]

Quote: BlackMokona

National Interest there too.

The American military-historical magazine Military Watch, which has no staff except an editor, stands out especially in this regard. Same way.

[Same lech]

I personally will stop wasting time on this site.

In vain ... that means you capitulated to the yellow press before the editorial policy of VO.
Submit your suggestions to the editorial staff of VO and demand changes.

[Voyager]

So I already wrote to them several times with a request to stop writing headlines with news such as "China (or another country) stated", where in fact it turns out that we are talking about private opinion. As a result, zero attention. I believe that this is disrespect and spit on my readers.
Of course, you can call it surrender, but who ultimately wins? I, who stopped reading the yellow and low-quality press, or
VO, having lost a regular reader?)

[Same lech]

Too bad ... of course ... but no one will fight this spam for us.

[alex007i]

So I already wrote to them several times with a request to stop writing headlines with news such as "China (or another country) stated", where in fact it turns out that we are talking about private opinion.

The sensation headings for an inexperienced reader are calculated; I, personally, have already developed immunity.
It's like a boy who shouted "wolves!"

[Den717]

Quote: Voyager

As a result, zero attention. I believe that this is disrespect and spit on my readers.

This is such an editorial policy in which there is no room for the positive, but a broad overview of the negative about the country. A coincidence? ..... I think this is one way to make money.

[Astra wild]

Quote: Den717

Quote: Voyager

As a result, zero attention. I believe that this is disrespect and spit on my readers.

This is such an editorial policy in which there is no room for the positive, but a broad overview of the negative about the country. A coincidence? ..... I think this is one way to make money.

You touched on an important topic: DARKNESS for some time now on the site has become fashionable to see everything in dark colors

[Den717]

Quote: Astra wild

GRIM for some time now on the site went into fashion

"If the stars are lit - does it mean that somebody needs it?"

[isker]

"I think this is disrespect and disregard for my readers."
and - what kind of "respect for your readers" can be, if this site provides a platform for advertising - how to get away from the army ???
Threat. I’m also a regular reader of this site for several years, but apparently I’ll have to forget about it, in view of the lack of usefulness ...

[Astra wild]

In this case, it is a VIOLATION of the SITE POLICY. The site has positioned itself as a Military Historical and PATRIOTIC. He attracted me by this

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Voyager

Of course, you can call it surrender, but who ultimately wins?

... alas. the site of course becomes more and more boring. you leave, we will lose you, the site will not lose, he does not care, this is something abstract, but who cares about our losses? many, many respected people have already left, so what? a lot of "egeshniks" have come ... the site is alive! here, after all, not the pros are valued, but the quantity. "livestock" ... in rural areas ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

In vain ... that means you capitulated to the yellow press before the editorial policy of VO.

Well, there are a lot of people who don't like something here, but you can't do something that would be good for everyone, and our people, like everywhere else, are motley, and that we will all be offended. So there is no need to pour out the grievance, as I do not remember who wrote "I am leaving you, and casually throwing candelabra on your floor!"

[Astra wild]

": I throw candelabra on your floor", does he even know what a candelabra is?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Astra wild

does he even know what candelabra is?

This is something pre-revolutionary, they then knew for sure. And I only know that they beat card cheaters by physiognomy.

[Pessimist22]

For some reason, the Bulletin of Mordovia has ceased to quote.

[Same lech]

for some reason they stopped quoting.

As a rule, reliable information is laid out there ... but without the permission of the Bulletin of Mordovia it is impossible to quote it.

[Thrall]

Quote: Pessimist22

For some reason, the Bulletin of Mordovia has ceased to quote.

Tooting. There simply is no hype. And the headlines, which looks like a frank clickbait, and even more so.

[Troll]

IMHO, this is done not by VO as such, but by someone who speaks Chinese and Russian and makes money on it.
...
"Gavrila served as a baker, Gavrila was a baker"

[sabakina]

Quote: Troll

"Gavrila served as a baker, Gavrila was a baker"

[lot]

I rarely go for the same reason.
Continuous reprinting and savoring of gossip.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Voyager

I personally will stop wasting time on this site.

Naive "blackmailer"! The admins are already in a panic.

[loki565]

If VO continues to replicate this Sohu, or at least does not make a clearly visible subsection for this news, I personally will stop wasting time on this website.

Unfortunately, VO has turned into a platform for making money, hence: advertising "how to get away from the army" clickbait headlines and copy-paste of yellow press articles

[Nestorych]

Rotten jelly and nightingale litter is undoubtedly more interesting))))

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Nestorych

Rotten jelly and nightingale litter is undoubtedly more interesting))))

Are you color blind?

[Victoria-V]

GLONASS has access problems in some areas. And the fact that GLONASS satellites rotate independently of the Earth, unlike other systems, will not add accuracy to them.

[Same lech]

The military part of Glonass is more advanced than the civilian ... this system was originally created for the military.

[Victoria-V]

I didn’t want to write about the military unit, because it’s a shame. But once you hooked, then: the Solnechnogorsk garrison military court issued a verdict in the case of embezzlement of more than 250 million rubles allocated for the construction of the Center for Monitoring the GLONASS system. The object was never built, and the project executors, including the former first deputy general director of the Roskosmos parent company TsNIImash George Kovkov, were found guilty of abuse of authority and fraud, depending on the role of each. The court assigned them different types of punishment - from a fine to five years in a colony, and released one person in connection with the expiration of the statute of limitations.

[Same lech]

Solnechnogorsk garrison military court sentenced in the case of theft of more than 250 million rubles

Money stolen then at least returned to the treasury?
Although not surprised by this theft ... Russia is a country of great opportunities .. hehe.

[sabakina]

Quote: Victoria-In

And the fact that GLONASS satellites rotate independently of the Earth, unlike other systems, will not add accuracy to them.

Hell knows. It works fine for us. The only inconvenience, the minibus in real life comes to a stop faster than on a computer.

[Simargl]

Quote: sabakina

The only inconvenience, the minibus in real life comes to a stop faster than on a computer.

Here you need to ask questions about software and servers. Moreover, a "naked" GLONASS chip is now a rarity.

[Avior]

Most satellites rotate this way, do not hang over one point.
The paths of the orbits of the satellites - ephemeris - will be aligned in the almones, which the receivers download at startup

[Rwmos]

And the fact that GLONASS satellites rotate independently of the Earth, unlike other systems, will not add accuracy to them.

All would be nothing, but exactly the opposite!

[rocket757]

In principle, it all depends on the amount of invested funds ... the necessary technological level has been achieved by many.

[Victoria-V]

A year or two, and the Chinese will not be competitors.

[Thrifty]

These are the urapatriotic articles that lead to an incorrect understanding of the real world. All the more unpleasant for the Chinese inhabitants will be the truth, in which everything is not so beautiful and wonderful, as the Chinese media write. ..

[Greenwood]

Quote: Thrifty

The truth will be all the more unpleasant for Chinese inhabitants

Do you know the truth? Share it please.

[Mountain shooter]

Well, why do we need to know what the Chinese think of our systems and weapons? They will not tell the truth.
Our kung fu is better than yours ... And that’s it. Well, do not beat them ... As children, the right word. My molds are better! Why is it better? And therefore!

[Non liberoid Russian]

it is strange that the Chinese continue to produce gadgets and navigation devices based on gps and glonass, and you rarely see a canoe in the lists of signal receivers from a word at all

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

the Chinese continue to produce gadgets and navigation devices based on gps and glonass, and you rarely see a canoe in the lists of signal receivers from a word at all

the fact is that after the relevant law is released, gadgets without GLONASS are not officially delivered to Russia, and Baidu system is new, but now on our market, and on Ali Baba there are almost all new gadgets with it, but without GLONASS. Not really yours.

[Tusv]

Without Glonass 20% excess duty. And so please

[Boris55]

The material describes how important it is for China not only to develop its global positioning system, but also to promote it in the world market ...

Competition, however. Why not do this. The main thing is to convince compatriots of the correctness of the decisions made, and there - how it goes.

[Dikson]

Why wonder at the article? The Chinese know exactly what chips they supply for Roskosmos and AIS JSC in particular .. Previously, they worked with the French .. but sanctions after all .. now with the Chinese .. Something recalled the story of how Ivanov, then the minister, gave the dog Putin’s collar with a Glonass receiver .. the size and weight of a silicate brick ..)) Russia's backlog in microelectronics and the radio industry .. Of course, this all affects .. Well, it’s clear that China is trying to squeeze our country out of the military-industrial complex products market .. That's it they have enough power to fill up the whole world with their iron ..

[Pavel57]

What socialism, such and information war.

[HAM]

For some reason, the Chinese began to resemble our 80-year-old: "the armor is strong and our tanks are fast ....!"

[Tzar]

Namely, bragging is rushing like before the Opium War.

[cniza]

History repeats itself ...

[ROSS_51]

Quote: The same Lech

Too bad ... of course ... but no one will fight this spam for us.

What for? VO is already the yellow press itself. Personally, I’ve been reading comments for some time more interesting than the articles themselves. Commentators are often more competent than writers.

[Timon2155]

And I’m even more cunning, I read articles here a little later than they came out. The competent people have already set likes, you can immediately see which comments to read and which to scroll through))))

[region58]

Quote: Timon2155

And I’m even more cunning, I read articles here a little later than they came out.

Well then, the trickiest thing is me - I mostly read when most of the comments are already written.

Quote: Timon2155

Competent people have already set likes

Very controversial statement ... often a lot of likes have just the same extremely incompetent comments.

[Timon2155]

I already have my list of competent commentators, all the rules

[Butchcassidy]

At work, I often communicate with the Chinese: to praise my own is the norm. If for this it is necessary to criticize someone else's (thoroughly / without foundation - it does not matter), then this is forever.

All these blah-blah-blah "our nuclear missile technologies are the best of Russia, therefore we are buying all Ukrainian" are already fed up.

Really in China does not come out an interesting correspondence with figures, facts, etc.?

[Mavrikiy]

In China: the Russian GLONASS system is paralyzed, Beidou only competitors with GPS

What are they there, castor gluttons?

[Arturov]

already even the Chinese comrades are laughing at this farce called Rogozmos

[cniza]

In Sohu, trying to enhance the information effect, they say that the number of satellites with high-tech electronics in the Chinese navigation system is "much larger than that of the US."

Take in quantity ... soon in space it will not push through.

[mikle1999]

It's just that Americans have satellites flying for 20 years, and therefore they are backward))

[Dmitry Vyazmenskiy]

Quote: Victoria-In

GLONASS has access problems in some areas. And the fact that GLONASS satellites rotate independently of the Earth, unlike other systems, will not add accuracy to them.

Daughter, go to bed and have good dreams!))

[Timon2155]

There are no difficulties in navigation systems. The trick is in the exact clock on board the satellite. There is a signal from the satellite with the exact time it was sent, the receiver compares the signals from different satellites and calculates the position. All. By changing the accuracy of the signal sent by the satellite, the accuracy of positioning can be adjusted. The more accurate the clock on board the satellite, the more accurately the receiver will determine the location.

[Engineer]

More precisely, this is only half the problem.
The second part is that the satellite regularly exchanges data about its airborne time with the Earth and for it the magnitude of the correction of the frequency response (airborne frequency standard) is compiled. Without such a correction, the error will continuously increase. When he left Roscosmos in early 2016, our BSC (atomic clock) was worse than the Amer clock, according to one of the developers, plus the Americans had more stations at which such a correction was made and they are evenly located around the world. We tried to introduce alternative methods - an optical system of time corrections. What happened there in the end is not in the know.
In 2016, the launch of Glonass K2 was planned. But by that time, under the conditions of sanctions, the project was in a fever.

[DimerVladimer]

In China - only "baidow".

[Rwmos]

Scary nonsense, wild ...

Coverage area of ​​the Chinese "Trouble". Glonass coverage area - the whole world. The trouble is the clumsy artifact of the local village, which is not interesting to anyone outside of China in principle. And GLONASS is interesting not only because it does not distort the data on command from the Pentagon, it just lies less, because the satellites are not synchronized with the Earth's rotation

[serezhasoldatow]

Achinea is easier to carry than a log.

[Agronom]

I understand this article from the Chinese media?
China, of course, came out on top in satellite system launches, but quantity doesn’t mean quality .. So it's not evening the Chinese!
Well done, of course! The main thing is not to overstrain, some "financial goods of the world" can break you off at any moment .. It will hurt to fall.

[Phoenix]

I read comments and remembered a joke: Mishka came to the sandbox, and there the bunnies, squirrels, all boast of toys: but I have this ... and I have this ... But Mishka has nothing with him. He listened, listened, and then said: And I ... and I ..., and here I will give it to everyone as I give ... (beat). So our commentators are the same. I must admit honestly and bitterly my lag in the issue of satellite navigation and positioning, respectively, and target designation for missiles (let them be glorified in the centuries of Caliber and Onyx). Who is to blame is clear (everyone will determine for himself the guilty from the State Department to Rogozin and the most sun-kissed Pu ...). But what to do in the existing real conditions of comprehensive democracy and state-oligarchic capitalism is difficult to say. Rather, you can say, but pull for a period .....

[Gennady Fomkin]

And they themselves come to us for ideas and brains.

[A man with a capital letter]

Umm, how can you restrict access to GPS?

[Mentat]

Judging by reports, Sohu is something like a Chinese Newspaper. Why constantly reprint this sample of the yellow press on VO?

As for Beidou, the system is in its infancy, currently regional, neither GPS nor Glonass is any competitor.

Similar scribbles quoted above are the level of "crocodiles in the Beijing subway" and "yesterday saw a dinosaur in Shanghai."

[Free Island]

Strange

[Father]

It is necessary to more actively develop the system of geodetic points, a satellite geodetic network in the country, with fixing points of a satellite geodetic network on the ground, the coordinates of which are determined by relative methods of space geodesy .. They do not depend on imported components, have no analogues in the world.

[iouris]

Only specialists can evaluate the state of affairs. But there are grounds for suspicions of the inability to develop and maintain a function without foreign support.