Turkish troops captured Suluk, but almost lost Ras al-Ain

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The Turkish forces, with the support of the militants of the Syrian Free Army (SSA), were able to occupy another border town of Suluk in the northeast of the Syrian province of Raqqa. This is reported by the state television of the Syrian Arab Republic.

Turkish troops captured Suluk, but almost lost Ras al-Ain




According to Ikhbariya TV channel, Turkish military and opposition forces from the SSA occupied the Suluk settlement. At the moment, the Turks control about 20 settlements in the north of the provinces of Rakka and Hasak, they blocked the highway between the provincial center of Hasak and Kobani in the north-east of Aleppo province. In addition, they took control of a roadblock at the intersection of roads leading to three cities. According to the Turkish military, 480 members of the Kurdistan Workers Party - Syrian Kurds Self-Defense Forces (PKK-YPG) have already been destroyed.

The total number of terrorists who were neutralized during the successfully ongoing Operation Source of Peace east of the Euphrates is 480

- said in a statement.

The previously announced seizure of the city of Ras Al Ain has not been conclusively confirmed. Despite the statement of the Turkish Ministry of Defense that the SSA forces entered the city, more than half of the city is under the control of Kurdish units from the SDS. Turkish strikes in the city aviationartillery works.

According to Firat, Kurdish self-defense units, after a tactical retreat, regained control of most of the city of Ras Al Ain. The SDS (Syrian Democratic Forces) command is deploying additional reinforcements from other areas of Hasaka province to the city area. There are currently fierce battles in the area of ​​the industrial zone and the suburbs of Tell-Beidar, from the Turks and the SSA, aviation is intensively working. According to information from Kurdish sources, the Turks and the SSA troops suffered heavy losses.

Kurdish fighters managed to knock out seven tanks and destroy 75 Turkish soldiers and mercenaries from the armed opposition, another 19 were injured

- the command says SDS.
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  1. -2
    October 13 2019
    Well, here are the first losses and failures
    1. +23
      October 13 2019
      So the Kurds are moving - to a guerrilla war!
      Yesterday there were a lot of comments that the Kurds can only run ... just the right tactics - small injections, maximum damage. In another way, they do not survive against the regular Turkish army.
      The next step I think will be the intensification of sabotage and terrorist activity ... in Turkey!
      1. +2
        October 13 2019
        Classics of the genre ... tactical retreat and the transition to guerrilla action in a well-studied area for unprepared enemy positions
        1. +2
          October 13 2019
          So they adhered to partisan tactics until they had their own Kurdistan.
          I believe that if Turkey had not been opposed, over time a full-fledged country would have turned out.
          But Turkey decided to ask them to return to partisanism on their territory.
      2. +2
        October 13 2019
        Quote: Hunter 2
        So the Kurds are moving - to a guerrilla war!

        They have been leading it for many years, even before the start of the great turmoil in Syria. And against Saddam and against the Turks.
        1. +1
          October 13 2019
          Something the Turks are skidding, the blitzkrieg does not work, and then yes, the guerrilla war. And given the virtually no borders, these partisans themselves will run back and forth, which will create problems for the Turks and will further aggravate relations with Damascus, and this prospect is not very good ..
          1. +8
            October 13 2019
            Nothing stalls. They are calculated from 1 month to two, should clean up the intended area. They act with caution, since a lot of civilians, trying not to harm, because they know that there are a lot of stinks in the West, like, Turks kill Kurds. Ain has already been cleaned up, today Tel Abyat will fall. In one section, we reached the M4 highway (important) and blocked the communication between Kamyshly and Moonbij.
            1. +3
              October 13 2019
              Quote: Oquzyurd
              Nothing stalls. They are calculated from 1 month to two, should clean up the intended area. They act with caution, since a lot of civilians, trying not to harm, because they know that there are a lot of stinks in the West, like, Turks kill Kurds. Ain has already been cleaned up, today Tel Abyat will fall. In one section, we reached the M4 highway (important) and blocked the communication between Kamyshly and Moonbij.

              And the Turks also had calculations of such losses in technology and people? Well then, count for the time allotted by you, taking into account the growing conflict ...
              Ras al-Ain - The Turks did not take, contrary to statements, artillery and aviation are working in the city.
              That's when they take ... then we'll discuss!
              In My opinion - Erdogan, was a big substitute! Given the reaction of the West ...
              1. +1
                October 13 2019
                I'll repeat about the losses
                Full of lies, on account of the loss report ... Until the night there were 4 dead Turkish soldiers (2 killed by a sniper, 2 howitzer shell hit nearby) and 6 dead from the SNA ...
                Still, apparently you don’t know the psychology of the Turks. They might lose 10-30 thousand soldiers there, but that will not change anything in decisiveness. The armed Kurds must carry their legs off before defeat comes for them.
                1. +9
                  October 13 2019
                  Excuse me, and you - What kind of News Agency? And why should I trust your numbers ???
                  For me, the source in the form of RT, Interfax, Izvestia and RBC - somehow looks more reliable.
                  Psychology of the Turks - Every Russian Knows ... Believe me, they fought 18 times ...
                  1. +11
                    October 13 2019
                    I understand in Turkish. Their main channels broadcast direct from the places of events around the clock, sorting out each shot, where and by whom, etc. They only informed that they entered Tel Abyat, there is a sweep in the center of the city ...
                    1. +8
                      October 13 2019
                      The fact that Turkish is good is good! good
                      I sometimes read Ukrainian sites (with difficulty but I understand) - Duck. They have NO LOSS for all five years of the Civil War! And the entire Russian Army - the brothers have long been killed! laughing
                      Understand - You Hear and Understand only one of the parties to the conflict! For an objective Look - you need to hear BOTH!
                      1. +2
                        October 14 2019
                        [/ quote] According to information from Kurdish sources, the Turks and the SSA troops suffered heavy losses. [quote]

                        Do you think THIS is true information?)))
                    2. +1
                      October 13 2019
                      Quote: Oquzyurd
                      I understand in Turkish. Their main channels broadcast direct from the places of events all day, sorting each shot, where and by whom, etc.

                      What channels are you watching?
                      1. +11
                        October 13 2019
                        CNN Turk, TRT Haber, A haber, NTV, etc.
                    3. +5
                      October 13 2019
                      Quote: Oquzyurd
                      Their main channels broadcast live broadcasts from places of events around the clock, analyzing each shot, where and by whom, etc.
                      It’s normal for belligerents to hide their losses: so that the enemy is less happy, so that their own people do not lose heart.
                  2. +19
                    October 13 2019
                    Just minus why, I don’t understand. Well, God be with you, I won’t tell you anything else.
                    1. -4
                      October 13 2019
                      Quote: Oquzyurd
                      Just minus why, I don’t understand. Well, God be with you, I won’t tell you anything else.

                      So then you are here for the sake of writing +? And if you are offended and refuse to express your opinion, truth-seeker?)
                      1. +21
                        October 13 2019
                        No, not for the sake of +, but they put it without argumentation, I don’t understand. Moreover, my goal was to tell me what they say from the scene ...
                      2. +3
                        October 13 2019
                        So let me know if you are interested. From the minuses or pluses, the position of a normal person will not change. And be prepared that your truth is only your truth. Others can also critically perceive the triumphal reports of Turkish TV that you bring here as the ultimate truth.
                      3. +7
                        October 13 2019
                        Thank you for that
                      4. -3
                        October 13 2019
                        Quote: Oquzyurd
                        without argument they put - I don’t understand
                        Take this as an unpleasant reality: the site administration, obviously, refuses to open ratings for all participants. If it were possible to see the logins of silent minusers, we would immediately calculate whose bot farm it is.
                      5. +6
                        October 13 2019
                        You are one of my minus. For stupidity.
                      6. -2
                        October 13 2019
                        Quote: alexmach
                        You are one of my minus. For stupidity.
                        Thanks, of course. Just what exactly did they see stupidities? And then I have them ...
                      7. +4
                        October 13 2019
                        about bot farms rude, brother, no?
                      8. -1
                        October 13 2019
                        Quote: patron
                        about bot farms rude, brother, no?
                        Not. Look. If it’s nonsense, then this is technically impossible: it is necessary to show in which place the bot program is not possible, or to refute the possibility of calculating the bot farm by analyzing estimation algorithms.
                      9. +4
                        October 13 2019
                        Those who do not like Turkish tomatoes will miss you :)
                      10. +5
                        October 13 2019
                        but without argument they put - I don’t understand

                        This is VO, here everyone who does not like anything in the statements is minus. And listening to information from different sides of the conflict is right. It is clear that in the war Everyone lies, but in reality the truth should be somewhere in between the statements of both parties ...
                        Time will show very soon what were the losses .. I don’t think that the Turks could not succeed in their plan.
                      11. 0
                        October 13 2019
                        Quote: alexmach
                        listening to information from different sides of the conflict is correct.
                        When you press the + or - button, a field for filling with text may appear, and the rating can be taken into account only when filling in the field with more than 10 characters. Isn't that complicated?
                      12. +7
                        October 13 2019
                        Isn't that complicated?

                        It is not difficult but useless. Everyone who wants to fill in the fields with text and so do this in the comments. I believe that silently expressing the attitude to the written plus or minus sign is also important. I myself look at the estimates of sharp and contradictory comments, including not only the total amount but also the number of votes.

                        And I am very surprised that adult men are worried about these pros and cons. They removed the "plus signs" from the tragic news, and that's fine.

                        And yet - I believe that you are in vain afraid of all sorts of bots. They just don't need us. For some reason I am sure that the "ratings" are given by live users. Bots themselves cost money, it's hard for me to imagine who would spend money on plus and minus signs on such a niche resource.
                      13. 0
                        October 13 2019
                        Quote: alexmach
                        You are in vain afraid of all sorts of bots. They just don’t need us.
                        I’m not afraid of them, but I can’t deny their existence and would find it strange that they were absent from the military-political forum at the height of the information war.
                        Quote: alexmach
                        I believe that silently expressing the attitude to the written plus or minus sign is also important.
                        In open oral communication, the right to express an attitude must be earned by an argument, "to answer for the bazaar", if in the street. Why lower the bar for our communication? In addition, among those who put a minus there may be participants with new arguments, or those whose opinion is important to me, and then my chances of seeing my own stupidity will increase.
                      14. 0
                        October 13 2019
                        Why lower the bar of our communication?

                        The sign of our time. Communication pluses and minuses.
                        In open oral communication, the right to express an attitude must be earned with an argument, "answer for the bazaar", if in the street

                        Also a sign of internet communication. Here it’s more difficult to answer for the bazaar and therefore behave as loathsome ones than in life.
                        In addition, among those who put a minus there may be participants with new arguments

                        Once again, those who want and can express their arguments use the comments.

                        and would find it strange their absence at the forum on military-political issues

                        The resource is still niche, attendance is limited, pluses and minuses from the point of view of influence on society are generally useless in my opinion. If I were trying to somehow botovodit in the VO, then in the first place I would drive some kind of analytics according to the comments. There are positive, negative moods.
                      15. 0
                        October 13 2019
                        Quote: alexmach
                        those who want and can express their arguments use the comments.
                        So there is another option: put a plus sign without a comment, and a minus sign only with a comment. Then those who have their arguments will be able to express them, and those who do not have anything to say can put pluses to the one who put a minus and expressed an argument sufficient from their point of view. Silent minusers annoy many, and some quick-tempered like Jeyhun react: the desire to write something suddenly disappears.
                    2. +8
                      October 13 2019
                      Quote: Oquzyurd
                      Just minus why, I don’t understand. Well, God be with you, I won’t tell you anything else.

                      Write! We learn the truth in comparison! I gave you the pluses!
                  3. -4
                    October 13 2019
                    And for you, there are no other media other than Russian? Maybe that's why you are easily manipulated. Open your eyes a little wider
                    1. +5
                      October 13 2019
                      Quote: Ramzay121
                      And for you, there are no other media other than Russian? Maybe that's why you are easily manipulated. Open your eyes a little wider

                      And where did you get this from? request I'm interested in the Chinese press and the Internet segment ... and I am being manipulated - only the Son, Daughter and Spouse! laughing
                      1. -1
                        October 13 2019
                        In this case, I am only happy for you). And here is your quote:

                        "For me, a source in the form of RT, Interfax, Izvestia and RBC somehow looks more reliable."
                      2. +2
                        October 13 2019
                        Quote: Ramzay121
                        In this case, I am only happy for you). And here is your quote:

                        "For me, a source in the form of RT, Interfax, Izvestia and RBC somehow looks more reliable."

                        The Chinese are still sleeping! laughing From them information - Zero!
                        The French - also confirm the loss of the Turks! AND??? Also - Zombie? belay
                        Yes, and RBC - relative to the Russian media ...
                      3. -4
                        October 13 2019
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        The Chinese are still sleeping! From them information - Zero!

                        They are not interested in inventing anything, not interested).
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        The French - also confirm the loss of the Turks! AND???

                        I certainly wouldn’t believe them, too interested party.
                      4. +7
                        October 13 2019
                        Quote: Ramzay121
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        The Chinese are still sleeping! From them information - Zero!

                        They are not interested in inventing anything, not interested).
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        The French - also confirm the loss of the Turks! AND???

                        I certainly wouldn’t believe them, too interested party.

                        Well, you will not please! The Chinese - naturally Sleep (temporary difference) The French - not authority, RBC - a pro-Western channel, also does not seem like it! what
                        What to catch voices from Mars?
                        Or to agree that Turkish television is the most truthful in the world? laughing laughing laughing no ... I DO NOT AGREE!
                      5. -1
                        October 13 2019
                        You probably are still not Maxim, but Maksud. laughing
                      6. -2
                        October 14 2019
                        Or maybe you are not Michael, but Judas am
                      7. 0
                        October 14 2019
                        Exactly Maksud. wassatNo Maxim would have drowned for the Turks.
                      8. 0
                        October 14 2019
                        I wonder what kind of Mikhail would drown for the Kurds laughing
                      9. 0
                        October 14 2019
                        And where am I "drowning" for the Kurds? wassat
                      10. 0
                        October 13 2019
                        Quote: Ramzay121
                        I certainly wouldn’t believe them, too interested party.

                        The Turkish side is more interested in hiding the truth, and there is a motive - do not disturb your people
                      11. 0
                        October 14 2019
                        In that case, where were they when they leveled the major cities of Syria, when more than 3 million fled only to Turkey, which country also took so much? Look at the city of Afrin after the capture by the Turks and at Raqqa after the Americans with the Kurds. Nothing remained of Raqqi, nor did the inhabitants. And where were these media outlets?
                2. +6
                  October 13 2019
                  Quote: Oquzyurd
                  I'll repeat about the losses
                  Full of lies

                  And 480 killed Kurds (from Turkish TV) is the truth?)
                  1. +5
                    October 13 2019
                    Maybe more. This is what they managed to calculate.
                    1. +5
                      October 13 2019
                      Estessno. Turkish TV is even more truthful than the Koran. It is said that half a day in a day, then it is)
                      1. +2
                        October 13 2019
                        This is said by officials, a TV intermediary between Of and the audience.
                      2. +2
                        October 13 2019
                        Spectators with brains should have critical thinking about the information of officials transmitted through TV which is primarily a weapon of propaganda. Especially when it comes to military operations in which officials are involved
                      3. -5
                        October 13 2019
                        Do you have more truthful sources? Do not call? Is RT Simonyan? You know why Turkish channels can be trusted more, everything is very simple, passed the test of time.
              2. -9
                October 13 2019
                What kind of losses are you talking about, about the tale of Kurdish militants? Something too gullible have become, or maybe you just want to believe, rather it is.
                "The Turks are skidding"
                Stalled other countries stuck in Syria and for a long time. They never dreamed of such a pace. So you have to upset you, everything is going very well.
                1. 0
                  October 13 2019
                  "everything is going very well." For example, in three days, 14 settlements were cleared, and in the last day, 42 mudflows were cleared.
                  1. +1
                    October 14 2019
                    Quote: Oquzyurd
                    For example, in three days, 14 settlements were cleared, and in the last day, 42 villages were cleared.

                    I apologize, from whom did they clean it? From the population? wassat
                    1. 0
                      October 14 2019
                      "From the population?" No, from the dug up armed bandits. There are many shots that the population is greeted with the arms of the liberators.
                      1. 0
                        October 14 2019
                        Let’s demonstrate at least one such shot.
                      2. 0
                        October 14 2019
                        Soon a lot of frames will appear on YouTube, as there were live broadcasts (Tel Abyat) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctZnpn3U9Bc
                      3. 0
                        October 14 2019
                        Quote: Oquzyurd
                        Soon a lot of frames will appear on YouTube,

                        So will appear or have already appeared? I don’t understand something. laughing
                      4. 0
                        October 14 2019
                        "Let's demonstrate at least one such shot." You wrote it. Here I laid out one example, adding that soon there will be a lot of such frames on YouTube, since there were live broadcasts on TV and probably someone will download excerpts from these broadcasts soon.
                      5. 0
                        October 14 2019
                        What you posted is not a link. Give a normal link.
                      6. 0
                        October 14 2019
                        Why is this not a link? Can’t you see people and the area, or can’t you see how they hug and cry with joy?
                      7. The comment was deleted.
                      8. 0
                        October 14 2019
                        You can see how several people are hugging a militant with a weapon. Relatives? You call this being greeted with "flowers"? wassat
                      9. 0
                        October 14 2019
                        "greets the liberators with embraces" It was written like this, there was no question of flowers. Embracing in civilian life (Arabs) from Tel Abyat, meet fighters (Arabs) from the pro Turkish forces of the SSA (according to the new SNA) There is even a voice text translated from Arabic into Turkish, where the fighters tell the civilians that they will no longer allow, that here they (the civilians) were oppressed, meaning the PKK fighters who fled.
                      10. 0
                        October 14 2019
                        https://youtu.be/6_Ge9EmcMdA.Тут получше встречают.Правда не турок. laughing
                      11. 0
                        October 14 2019
                        The guys from Tel Abyat are more restrained, not hysterical, as they expected this event Yes . Apparently they did not expect, and you hysteria laughing
                      12. 0
                        October 14 2019
                        Such "restrained" that as many as five people came out to meet the "liberators"? Shura, you made my day! laughing
                      13. 0
                        October 14 2019
                        Keep in mind that there was shooting, fighting, and many ran away, or hid in basements or tunnels (those who are risky, they remained in their homes). It will take only a few days, and we will see people returning.
                      14. 0
                        October 14 2019
                        The Turks are occupiers there, and they will be treated as occupiers.
              3. 0
                October 13 2019
                "That's when they'll take it ... then we'll discuss it!" They only reported that Tel Abyat was taken and cleared, while Ras al-Ain has concrete tunnels, in which several militants remained, 26 of them have already surrendered.
            2. +2
              October 13 2019
              Quote: Oquzyurd
              Nothing stalls. They are calculated from 1 month to two, should clean up the intended area. They act with caution, since a lot of civilians, trying not to harm, because they know that there are a lot of stinks in the West, like, Turks kill Kurds. Ain has already been cleaned up, today Tel Abyat will fall. In one section, we reached the M4 highway (important) and blocked the communication between Kamyshly and Moonbij.

              Something like this. The Kurdish front as such in the classical sense does not exist and b / action is conducted positionally. In principle, nothing prevents the Turks from developing a further offensive in other areas, leaving Ros-al-Ain in isolation, excluding the possibility of supplying entrenched Kurds, clearing the city with the help of pro-Turkish militants and supporting them with aircraft and artillery. In addition, it cannot be ruled out that in the coming days the SAA will begin to crush the Kurds from a different direction, which will force the Kurds to fight on two fronts, which, if there is no outside support, deprives the Kurdish resistance of a tactical perspective.
            3. 0
              October 13 2019
              They act cautiously, since a lot of civilians, trying not to harm, so

              Well, so-so carefully, got involved in urban battles, according to the message above. Well, the rest you are right, it is too early to judge the results.
          2. +6
            October 13 2019
            War is generally not a good prospect. It’s good to watch the war sitting in your chair and know that it was at least 70 years ago. Now it’s scary: at that very moment a wonderful person who did not participate in the war could die at all.
            During the war, civilians are the first to suffer. I’m telling you as an eyewitness
        2. +1
          October 13 2019
          Yes, they have a lot of experience in guerrilla warfare. The question is different - why did they once again fall for promises on mattresses and once again remain fools?
      3. 0
        October 13 2019
        In response to guerrilla warfare, the Turks will simply slaughter and resettle everyone, having liquidated the guerrilla base, without exception (I mean Kurds).
      4. +2
        October 13 2019
        Quote: Hunter 2
        The next step I think will be the intensification of sabotage and terrorist activity ... in Turkey!

        hi
        It seems so. Kurds do not get used to guerrilla warfare (for more than half a century). And who will win here is unknown (not Syria, on the territory of which shells whistle and people die).
    2. +3
      October 13 2019
      One ATGM calculation can thwart an entire offensive
      1. +1
        October 13 2019
        how long it flies, if you see you can jump out and run away, do any of the tankers know if you can see the bird when it flies at you?
        1. +5
          October 13 2019
          You can evade the tank if the crew is well trained.
  2. 0
    October 13 2019
    And the Turks, what? Lossless?
    1. 0
      October 13 2019
      Quote: TAMBU
      And the Turks, what? Lossless?

      It's written:
      Kurdish fighters managed to knock down seven tanks and destroy 75 Turkish soldiers and mercenaries from the armed opposition, another 19 were injured
      1. 0
        October 13 2019
        exactly ... thanks. my quotes for some reason did not sink
      2. 0
        October 13 2019
        And this is just the beginning, coffins will soon go in a wide stream. And the tanks will burn with the tankers.
        1. -17
          October 13 2019
          What kind of coffins are you talking about? No need to compare
      3. -3
        October 13 2019
        Full of lies, on account of the loss report ... Until the night there were 4 dead Turkish soldiers (2 killed by a sniper, 2 howitzer shell hit nearby) and 6 dead from the SNA ...
        1. +1
          October 13 2019
          How do you know?
          1. 0
            October 14 2019
            So he is in the front column, moving on his couch. laughing
    2. +2
      October 13 2019
      There is no war without loss
  3. +2
    October 13 2019
    Turkish troops captured Suluk, but almost lost Ras al-Ain

    Everything is logical - the Turks have tremendous superiority in armored vehicles, artillery, aviation - they will slowly but surely put pressure, the Kurds can only partisan and arrange terror in the territory of Turkey, because there is no more patron.
    1. +2
      October 13 2019
      "... The only thing left for the Kurds is to partisan and organize terror on the territory of Turkey, because the patron is no longer there."
      The patron remained without much change, only the methods of supplying weapons, uniforms, intelligence, food have undergone changes.
    2. -8
      October 13 2019
      Quote: Lesorub
      The Kurds can only partisan and organize terror in the territory of Turkey, because there is no longer a patron.

      If they start to organize terror, they will regret it 10 times .. negative Let them surrender and surrender all their masters. hi
  4. -5
    October 13 2019
    Now Erdogan will ask Putin for help and God forbid he agrees, it will be another kakkpan from the West.
    1. +1
      October 13 2019
      The pride of the Sultan will not allow this to happen.
    2. +5
      October 13 2019
      Why should Putin climb there? Objectively, the situation is working in Damascus (Putin), calmly wait for the development of events and gradually adjust in the right direction.
      1. 0
        October 13 2019
        That's right, they will pat each other well, and then everyone will get out!
  5. -6
    October 13 2019
    Kurdish fighters managed to knock down seven tanks and destroy 75 Turkish soldiers and mercenaries from the armed opposition, another 19 were injured

    Quite predictable losses .... soldier
    Russia is watching with Iran and Syria .. ..I think Erdogan will soon ask for help ... And we will help, or maybe not hehe
    1. -2
      October 13 2019
      And we will help, or maybe not hehe

      Of course we will help. We have a lot of good weapons. And cheaper than the state.
      1. +1
        October 13 2019
        I heard in the news and saw on the site that in Turkey production of tanks, small arms and missile weapons was established.
        1. 0
          October 13 2019
          I heard in the news and saw on the site that in Turkey production of tanks, small arms and missile weapons was established.

          I heard that too. However, for some reason they are buying the C - 400. And in the future, both tanks and planes and a small one. If they become our allies, no one will sell leopards and F-35s. Anyway, weapons are always few. Oh, how much during the Second World War the USSR produced everything. However, he did not disdain Lend-Lease.
          1. +1
            October 13 2019
            I’m not sure about small arms: they have a NATO standard, and our caliber does not match. It’s understandable with air defense: we have a higher price-quality ratio
        2. 0
          October 13 2019
          Production may not be in time for the Kurds, here we come in handy!
  6. +6
    October 13 2019
    poor Syria, the country will have to recover for a long time
    1. 0
      October 14 2019
      The first step to this is to establish control over the entire territory. What we are now observing. Syrian troops have entered Mambij and are moving towards Kobani.
  7. +2
    October 13 2019
    Resistance to Turkish occupation will increase. Units are formed in Iraq and Iran to support Syrian Kurds.
  8. mmk
    0
    October 13 2019
    Decently they were given in the teeth. Who would have thought that a sufficiently strong NATO army would get so stuck.
    1. +1
      October 13 2019
      quote = mmk] Decently they were given the teeth. Who would have thought that a sufficiently strong NATO army would get so stuck. [/ Quote]
      except you, in my opinion, no one thought so)
      1. +1
        October 13 2019
        Well why.
        The return of the strategically significant locality speaks of the capabilities and experience of the Kurdish units and illiterate command.
        Work on tactical retreats and counterattacks.
        In the city, they will snuggle up to the ss and cut them under the nut.
        Needles Kurds were doing and ssa doing.
        And direct combat clashes with the mechanized units of the Turks are not included in their plans.
        They will knock out the ssa, as the needles were knocked out, only they will not be taken prisoner in the prisons;
        Further, the Turks will suffer tangible losses.
        How much patriotism is enough in Turkey with the increase in the dead we will see.
        1. -4
          October 13 2019
          Quote: Livonetc
          The return of the strategically significant locality speaks of the capabilities and experience of the Kurdish units and illiterate command.

          Anything written can not be taken for the truth, infa fake, do not get hung up on it.

          Quote: Livonetc
          Work on tactical retreats and counterattacks.

          We saw their work in Afrin. And they saw with some enthusiasm some commented on the complete defeat of the Turks, they say Kurds are warriors, partisans, frostbitten, etc. The result we know. It will be the same here. Actually even easier than in Afrin. Here 30 km is almost a desert, without mountains and forests, several strategic settlements will take it all. Turks advance cautiously, minimize losses.

          Quote: Livonetc
          How much patriotism will suffice in Turkey with the increase in the dead see

          If losses increase, this will only make things worse for the Kurds.
          1. +2
            October 13 2019
            The Turks, while they took Ajalan, could not do anything special on their territory.
            About the combat readiness of the Kurds I judge by successful actions in the wearing of needles.
            But the success of the Turkish units has not yet seen.
            In addition to the same near-fake information about the losses of the enemy.
            We will look further.
            However, I am sure that there will be no easy walk for the Turks.
            And by the increase in losses, it is still unknown how the situation will develop in Turkey itself.
            Well, the main weakness of the Kurds is their fragmentation between the diasporas of different countries.
            It is rather the success of the actions of the secret services and politicians of Turkey.
            1. -3
              October 13 2019
              Quote: Livonetc
              About the combat readiness of the Kurds I judge by successful actions in the wearing of needles.

              The Americans did everything for them, and the Kurds were just a screen, no more. The Americans needed to assign the Kurds a victory over the igil, in order to later heroize them and use them for their own purposes. But, something apparently went wrong).

              Quote: Livonetc
              But the success of the Turkish units has not yet seen.

              Bad followed means. The operation in the west of the Euphrates is proof of this. Can be entered into textbooks on literacy of warfare. And here, sorry for 4 days, several settlements have already been taken, then it will go even faster. Do not forget that all the world media do not work on the side of Turkey, in fact, against. And they have the appropriate info, aimed at specific goals.
              1. -2
                October 13 2019
                Kurds were combat units on earth.
                And how Americans fight, we all know.
                And before, they had done the same thing in Syria for a very long time and did not achieve any success.
                It was the Kurds who succeeded in getting rid of the needles.
                Americans are no warriors.
                They are nothing more than serial mass murderers.
            2. +1
              October 13 2019
              Afrin was still taken heavily (
    2. +1
      October 13 2019
      I still do not see the success of the Kurds or Turks. I just remembered from physics: if it stays in one place, then it decreases in another. So here
  9. +1
    October 13 2019
    If the Kurds do not have air defense in the very near future, then they will be finished.
    1. -1
      October 13 2019
      They will disperse.
    2. +2
      October 13 2019
      From the air defense of the Kurds only MANPADS
    3. 0
      October 14 2019
      It will appear, but it will be the SAA air defense. Everything is heading towards this. The negotiations in Khmeimim on the introduction of the SAR troops into the "Kurdish" territories were successful.
  10. 0
    October 13 2019
    In my opinion, the Turks got involved! Of course, they will occupy the 30 km zone, but will they win? The Kurds are not the first to partisan and transfer the war to the territory of Turkey itself. But the truth is that the role of the Americans is not entirely clear, if they want to teach Erdogan a lesson, then the Turks will have a hard time
    1. +2
      October 13 2019
      Already answered above.
      First, the Kurds will knock out ssa as they knocked out needles.
      Then comes the turn of the serious losses of the Turkish units.
    2. +5
      October 13 2019
      There was information that Erdogan could use refugees located on its territory as a buffer. If only this succeeds, Erdogan is a prudent strategist. He will unload his territory from refugees. will protect itself from the blows of the Kurds. Yesterday's refugees will not allow the Kurds to go at home
      1. +1
        October 13 2019
        Quote: Astra wild
        There was information that Erdogan could use refugees located on its territory as a buffer. If only this succeeds, Erdogan is a prudent strategist. He will unload his territory from refugees. will protect itself from the blows of the Kurds. Yesterday's refugees will not allow the Kurds to go at home

        It’s kind of a sober thought, only the problem may be where they didn’t wait. The resettlement of refugees from Syria is unlikely to go voluntarily, but how will the Turks support the people forced out of Turkey, another question
  11. 0
    October 13 2019
    And Erdogan probably thought that the new Port would be built with little bloodshed. With such losses, the construction of New Turkey from sea to sea may get stuck because "the army is over."
  12. +2
    October 13 2019
    Something seven wrecked tanks, but no photos and videos
  13. +1
    October 13 2019
    .......... According to the Turkish military, 480 members of the Kurdistan Workers Party - Syrian Kurdish Self-Defense Forces (PKK-YPG) have already been destroyed .........
    As I understand it, Turkish bombers swept over the city with suvehzvuk and delivered a "pinpoint" strike. Well, in the city there are no members of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, they are all Kurds there.
  14. +4
    October 13 2019
    Colleagues, perhaps I don’t understand something and therefore I ask: explain to me if I’m wrong, and the cons are not an argument!
    Erdogan behaved like a pig when he climbed into Syria it is indisputable.
    But the Kurds, being in a foreign territory, began to ESTABLISH THEIR ADMINISTRATION on the Syrian territory. So, from the point of view of Assad, both of them are worth each other. I'm right?
    For me, Syria and Assad are closer than the Kurds.
    1. +3
      October 13 2019
      The configuration of the countries in the BW was "cut" relatively recently by essentially the same colonialists.
      Kurds are in the territory in which they lived before.
      On the territory of Syria live and nationalities other than Arabs.
      Drawing an analogy with the well-known and neighboring to us (brotherly people) it can be argued ?, that in Syria, as in Ukraine, the need has arisen for the creation of a federal state system.
    2. +1
      October 13 2019
      Kurds at home. they live there for a thousand years. just the British and the French sucks slaughtered the nonsense of their former possessions
      1. 0
        October 13 2019
        Quote: zlinn
        Kurds at home. they live there for a thousand years.

        well, so the Turks have been at home for 9 centuries
    3. 0
      October 14 2019
      Quote: Astra wild
      Erdogan behaved like a pig when he climbed into Syria it is indisputable.

      He climbed in because GDP promised not to impede, this pressure on the Kurds played a role. The SAA forces will take control of the border with Turkey in these areas.
  15. +1
    October 13 2019
    if the Turks get stuck it will be a lot of fun watching them crawl out of situevina, and why is the Kurdish civilian population fleeing to Iraq and not to Assad? Or were they thoroughly brainwashed by Amerza or ashamed or specifically hated by the Alawite Kurds
    1. +1
      October 14 2019
      maybe everything is simple - the Syrian Kurds are fleeing to the Iraqi Kurds?
  16. +1
    October 13 2019
    I don’t know, but one gets the feeling that a very subtle game is being played against Turkey. Perhaps there is no country in the world that would be on the side of Turkey, and would like to achieve its goals. It’s even amazing that everything is against and no one is stopping (for real), hence the conclusion - that means Turkey’s actions are in the interests of these countries, and if it’s not an invasion, it means Turkey’s involvement in a protracted military conflict with the Kurds (it’s not for nothing that Americans taught). Forecast: the first months of the Turkish triumph over the genocide of the Kurdish population will gradually flow into an endless semi-guerrilla war, which will ultimately lead (not without outside help) to the weakening and collapse of the existing statehood of Turkey. But the whole world will probably advocate such an outcome of this act of the Turks, no matter how sad it looks from Turkey.
    1. 0
      October 13 2019
      Quote: ASG7
      the first months of the Turkish triumph on the genocide of the Kurdish population

      the genocide of the Kurdish population is your fantasies, the Turks methodically destroy the PKK and sympathizers, in general, they do not touch other Kurds.
      Quote: ASG7
      the collapse of the existing statehood of Turkey

      and these are your dreams, but as history shows, Turkey is not a country whose statehood can be shaken by national liberation guerrilla warfare, only the external aggression of a major power, or even better, the union of such powers, i.e. a full-fledged war with hundreds of thousands of people killed on both sides. Now no one will do this, especially for the Kurds.
  17. +1
    October 13 2019
    I look at the situation and remember: here Saddam Hussein at one time hollowed the Kurds right up to chemical weapons, howling was from democratic forces ..., he was declared a dictator and finally hanged. Interestingly, but the Democrats will declare Erdogan a dictator, with all the ensuing consequences? He also destroys the Kurds, like Hussein. Will he have the same end, or rather the finale of the board the end is the same - trimmed lol ?
    1. +1
      October 13 2019
      Erdogan has no oil; he is not so interesting to the democrats.
    2. +1
      October 13 2019
      "Interestingly, will the democrats declare Erdogan a dictator, with all the ensuing consequences?" ////
      ----
      Turkey is a democratic country. Erdogan will simply lose the election and leave.
      Not because of the war with the Kurds, but because of the worsening situation in the economy.
  18. +1
    October 13 2019
    No guerrilla war is possible without the support of the local population.
    Therefore, if an active guerrilla war really begins, then Turkey will face the need:
    1) Active impact on the existing local population;
    2) change (replacement) of the national composition of the population in this area, for example, with the help of accumulated refugees).
  19. +1
    October 13 2019
    * .. you can’t trust anyone ..- I can * ... - * Mueller * ..
  20. 0
    October 13 2019
    Quote: mmk
    Decently they were given in the teeth. Who would have thought that a sufficiently strong NATO army would get so stuck.
    laughing Don't say gop until you jumped.
  21. +1
    October 13 2019
    Who is to blame for them, that they first reject the proposals of Putin and Assad for peace in Syria, and then declare the grave. Then they will be more accommodating, and on other conditions. laughing
  22. 0
    October 13 2019
    In general, what are the reasons for the Turks to invade Syria. Nobody officially invited them. In principle, they operate even more brazenly than the states. I would say so, without declaring war, I do what I want .... Pure aggression, not covered by anything, even the war against ISIS.
    1. +1
      October 13 2019
      No more arrogance.
      And the cover is formally the same as that of the states.
      The fight against terrorism, including needles.
      It is hard to imagine more arrogance than the states.
      Turks act quite pragmatically.
    2. 0
      October 13 2019
      Quote: Shahno
      In general, what are the reasons for the Turks to invade the territory of Syria. No one has officially invited them

      as Erdogan himself says: "not every invitation should be accepted" and "it is not necessary to wait for a special invitation."
  23. 0
    October 13 2019
    Quote: Ramzay121
    Stalled other countries stuck in Syria and for a long time. They never dreamed of such a pace.

    Other countries did not introduce regular ground forces into Syria. You pretend that as a child you don’t understand this, doing boasting.
  24. 0
    October 13 2019
    Quote: Astra wild
    Erdogan behaved like a pig when he climbed into Syria it is indisputable.

    Well, why, very controversial. he clearly explained the motives of Turkey, the fact that you do not agree with them makes him a pig to the same extent as you, or does not make a pig ...
    1. +1
      October 14 2019
      Quote: protoss
      Well, why, very controversial. he clearly explained the motives of Turkey, the fact that you do not agree with them makes him a pig to the same extent as you, or does not make a pig ...

      Motives? The Kurdish genocide is happening ... natural .... And the Turkish fighters ... these are the guys who shot our pilot in the air ...
      Excuse me ..... for me, Erdagan the pig, too ... it's a pity the military did not bang him .... Turkey trampled on Islamism and greatness ...
      1. 0
        October 14 2019
        genocide is extermination according to a national sign. the result of genocide cannot be an increase in the population, namely, this is observed among the Kurds in Turkey itself. Well, our pilot, you know, was not a saint, his job was to kill people, it just so happened that at that time he was unlucky and they killed him himself.
  25. 0
    October 13 2019
    Quote: Ramzay121
    Is RT Simonyan?

    No, of course, the most truthful source is Turkish. wassat
  26. 0
    October 13 2019
    In fact, we are talking about the extermination of the Kurds ... It's just a genocide! It’s ridiculous to hear from you tales of someone who threw someone there ... and mock at what is happening .... it seems the Kurds are militants .... someone gave them something ... when the natural GENOCIDE rushing! You do not remember the case that the Turks worked with someone? What are you gloating about? We must cry or be surprised! - I do not understand how the Russian Federation could block the resolution on the condemnation of Turkish aggression!
  27. +1
    October 14 2019
    Quote: Town Hall
    Estessno. Turkish TV is even more truthful than the Koran. It is said that half a day in a day, then it is)

    What does the Quran have to do with it? For comparison, you couldn’t find anything else, or did you really want to sneak towards the Muslims?
  28. 0
    October 14 2019
    Quote: ultra
    Quote: Astra wild
    Erdogan behaved like a pig when he climbed into Syria it is indisputable.

    He climbed in because GDP promised not to impede, this pressure on the Kurds played a role. The SAA forces will take control of the border with Turkey in these areas.

    Do you really think that someone promised something there? Here, they are wiped off by treaties by international ...
  29. 0
    October 14 2019
    Quote: protoss
    the genocide of the Kurdish population is your fantasies, the Turks methodically destroy the PKK and sympathizers, in general, they do not touch other Kurds.

    Undoubtedly, by the name of the Kurds, I meant the entire population of the northern regions of Syria, and not just the Kurds. And go to teach your fantasies about waging war in a parish school church.

    Quote: protoss
    and these are your dreams, but as history shows, Turkey is not a country whose statehood can be shaken by national liberation guerrilla warfare, only the external aggression of a major power, or even better, the union of such powers, i.e. a full-fledged war with hundreds of thousands of people killed on both sides. Now no one will do this, especially for the Kurds.

    Muammar Gaddafi to help you, cram your head in the sand and hope that you will not be deprived of virginity.

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