The evolution of Soviet tanks and the test report of the T-62

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It would be interesting to go back almost 40 years ago, to understand how our technology was evaluated then and compare the attitude of the West to the Soviet Union with its attitude to modern Russia, at least as an example of a discussion of Soviet tanks.


The author of the article behind the control levers of the T-62A tank during an IDR magazine test drive. The T-62A tank can be distinguished from the T-62 by the raised turret of the DShK loader with 12,7-mm anti-aircraft machine gun




In recent years, most Western countries have experienced great difficulties in the development and production of new battle tanks, which would be equal or even superior to tanks produced at factories of the Warsaw Pact countries. The principle was and still remains the same - to make a new car that would significantly surpass the previous tank. However, it is expensive from a financial point of view and a long time. Western countries are increasingly seeking to implement joint projects in an attempt to reduce the final cost of production, but to date, all these projects have failed, which has led to further delays. To date, only one joint project can be called active, the French and Germans are trying to design a tank for the 90's, although current signs indicate that it can be doomed to failure. As a result, individual countries intend to independently implement projects and produce more expensive vehicles in sufficient quantities in order to achieve at least some balance with the huge number of modern tanks deployed by the Soviets and their allies under the Warsaw Treaty.

The Soviet Union has not yet joined the “disposable things society” and, as such, has a different point of view. The old material part is almost completely preserved. Efficient and proven components in one project for the most part go into the next generation of machines. The motto of Soviet industry is simplicity, efficiency and quantity. Therefore, the design of Soviet tanks was both evolutionary and tends to remain so even with the advent of the T-80 tank.

History of development


This trend began during World War II with the advent of the T-34 tank. It was a very simple base machine, capable, however, of performing all the tasks of machines of this category. This light tank was cheap to manufacture and easy to operate. Crew training was minimal and the Soviet army had no difficulty in finding the crew members needed to control the huge number of vehicles produced. In the “tank to tank” battle, they did not match the capabilities of the heavier and more advanced German vehicles, but the Germans quickly realized that when their tanks were over, the enemy still had a certain number of T-34 tanks. The modified T-34 tank, designated T-34 / 85, was adopted in the 1944 year and, although it was decommissioned by the Soviet army in the 60-s, it remained in the Vietnamese army until the 1973 year. The successor of the T-34 tank went into production also in the 1944 year. It was a modified T-34 / 85, which received the designation T-44. The appearance of the tower has not changed much, but the suspension of the Christie type has been replaced by a torsion bar suspension and, accordingly, the body has become lower. Later, unsuccessful attempts were made to install the T-44 100-mm D-10 gun in the turret. The solution, in the end, was found by installing a modified turret with a D-10 gun on the elongated T-44 body, resulting in a new machine, designated T-54.

This tank was made in huge quantities, six variants were developed before the T-55 tank appeared, which was first shown in Moscow in November 1961. Subsequently, three more versions of the T-55 tank were made. The only main difference between the T-54 tank and the T-55 version is the installation of an increased power B-55 engine. Subsequently, all T-54 tanks were modified to the T-55 standard, which led to the fact that vehicles of this type in the West received the designation T-54 / 55. However, this tank was unpopular in many countries in which it was sold. In his book “Modern Soviet Armored Vehicles”, Stephen Zaloga cites the case of Romania “having such serious problems with T-54 tanks that it was necessary to invite several West German companies to participate in the competition in order to completely remake existing vehicles that received a new suspension, tracks, wheels, engine and other components. ”


One of the T-62A tanks used in the American army for training. A fuel tank is mounted on the rear roof between the 4 and 5 track rollers. The long pipe at the rear of the tower serves to lay the intake pipe, above it is a hatch for ejecting sleeves. Interestingly, the track finger does not hold in place at the outer edge of the links, allowing them to move freely to the center. A protruding piece of metal (a hammer) does not allow the fingers to fly out, welded onto the housing in front of the drive wheel, which clogs your fingers into place each time they pass over the drive wheel


T-62


The same basic design was then used in the production of the T-62, first shown in the 1965 year. The main difference was an increase in the caliber of the main gun, instead of the 100-mm gun D-10Т, the 115-mm smoothbore gun U-5TS (2А20) was installed. Many components of the T-55 were transferred to the T-62 tank, and it is clear that this was the beginning of a new trend in the production of tanks: limited production of experimental vehicles, manufacturing of several options, determining the optimal combination of systems and then deploying a new tank in which all subsystems went through extended tests, often in combat conditions, without the costs typical of Western countries for conducting evaluative tests with almost the destruction of prototypes.

In a recent test drive of the T-62 tank, our magazine found out that it was truly basic in its design and manufacture. External components did not create any sense of completeness and were for the most part rather fragile. This corresponds to the Soviet design philosophy, which determines that external components are not so important and will be the first to be sacrificed in battle. Therefore, you should not spend time, money and effort on the production of the final product. However, the tank was designed taking into account the maximum use of the terrain. A small rounded-shaped tower provides maximum protection against ricocheting hits, and the body with Christie's suspension and without upper guide wheels has a low squat configuration. This provides a low projection of the tank and makes it very difficult to detect when the tank is in a half-closed position. But there is also the flip side of the coin, such a layout makes the work of the crew in the tank very uncomfortable. Inside the tower, space is extremely limited. The gunner operator, sitting on the left and below the commander, has little room for work. Indeed, the commander’s and gunner’s jobs, taken together, are hardly more than the commander’s position in most Western tanks. Charging on the right side of the tower has more space, but, nevertheless, it is extremely difficult to work with a left-hander.

The driver's seat is located on the left side. Its seat can be adjusted for driving with your head hanging out (normal position) or with the sunroof closed while the tower is operating.

Typically, the T-62 tank is started using compressed air with a minimum pressure of 50 kg / cm2. In our tests, however, the tank had to start up “from the pusher”, because there was insufficient pressure in the cylinders with air. The driver checks the operation of the systems and then starts the engine, after making sure that the oil pressure in the engine is within 6-7 kg / cm2. If starting with air fails, an electric starter can be used.


The view from the commander’s place to the gunner’s place, the sight (on the right) and the periscope (on the left) are ready for work with the right eye. Designations: 1 - power supply; 2 - the flywheel of the turret swivel mechanism; 3 - infrared monocular periscopic night sight TPN1-41-11; 4 - duplex controls for the operator-gunner with switches for gun fire and coaxial machine gun on the right and left handles, respectively; 5 - the main telescopic day sight ТШ2Б-41У; 6 - viewing device TNP-165


As a rule, in most tanks, the first gear is designed for emergency situations. In order to start driving, the second gear is selected and the 550-600 rpm is set using the manual throttle. At this point, a Western-made tank driver warmly thanks the designers for the invention of the automatic transmission. The T-62 tank has a gearbox without synchronizers, and to change gear, the driver must depress the clutch pedal twice. Switching from second to third gears was a bit complicated, but when it was necessary to switch to fourth gears, our driver found that the lever needs to be moved across the entire width of the wings and the shift is extremely tight. There is no doubt that this feature caused rumors about it. that the drivers of the T-62 carry a sledgehammer with which they move the lever to the desired position. One user informed us. what kind of training course is driving the T-62 tank in the US Army, the clutch changes at least twice.

The steering is carried out by two levers. They have three positions. When they are fully advanced, all rated power is transmitted to the drive wheels (sprockets). To turn one of the levers must be moved to the first position. If both levers are in the first position, then downshift is engaged and the tank slows down. From this position, a turn with a smaller radius can be made by pulling the lever even further forward into the second position. The second position actually slows down the tracks and you need to pay attention to ensure that one of the levers is not moved to the second position if the tank is in fourth or fifth gear, as the resulting turn may be too steep. (It’s far from the fact that the tank will drop the caterpillar in these circumstances, since the correctly stretched caterpillar, that is, when 60-80 mm hangs over the first support roller, is guided along the entire length by internal guides, running along the top and bottom of each support roller.) Our at first it seemed strange to the driver that he had to transfer both levers completely to the first position before starting a turn, which occurs due to the translation of one of them into the second position. During rotation, greater acceleration was also required to maintain speed, which in turn led to the release of a cloud of black smoke.

We were unable to verify the effectiveness of the hydropneumatic coupling in the T-62 tank. because while driving, cylinders for compressed air were charged. This clutch engages after starting off when the driver moves the lever mounted on the clutch pedal with his foot. It seems that using this clutch does not facilitate gear shifting, but reduces its wear.


The right side of the compartment is the driver of the T-62 tank. One of the control levers is visible immediately to the left of the gear lever and backstage. On the left, the top three positions on this wings are the 3th, rear and 4th gears, the bottom row - 2th, 1th and 5th gears. Yellow strips with the English translation of Russian designations are pasted. Box under two sightseeing devices - gyro-compass for driving under water


Thus, maneuverability does not apply to the strengths of the T-62 tank. Driving a car is tiring and driving is relatively uncomfortable.

The T-62 tank is lightly armored and passive protection is largely provided by its low projection. Active protection to some extent is provided by the thermal smoke equipment of the engine. It consumes 10 liters of fuel per minute and creates a smokescreen 250-400 meters long and lasts up to 4 minutes depending on the strength of the wind. When this system is operating, the driver must be in gear no higher than third, and also take his foot off the gas pedal to avoid engine shutdown due to lack of fuel.

In case of actions in the infection zone weapons A mass destruction PAZ system protects the crew from radioactive dust sa due to air filtration and slight overpressure. It is automatically turned on by the RBZ-1 gamma radiation sensor.

A V-12В 55-cylinder engine with a maximum output power of 430 kW at 2000 rpm is installed on the machine, allowing to develop a maximum speed of 80 km / h. When driving over rough terrain, fuel consumption ranges from 300 to 330 liters per 100 km. It is reduced to 190-210 liters when driving on roads. With full fuel tanks, the T-62 can travel from 320 to 450 km. Cruising range increases to 450-650 km when two dump fuel tanks are installed at the rear of the machine.

The maximum range of the 115-mm U-5TS gun is limited by the aiming range of the gunner’s sight TSh2B-41U and is 4800 meters when firing a high-explosive fragmentation projectile, although it is unlikely that this extreme range will ever be used except when the tank is on a stationary fire positions (typical Soviet tactics) :. Consequently, the theoretical maximum range of actual fire on the tank is 2000 meters, although Middle Eastern experience shows that this figure is closer to 1600 meters. Ammunition is 40 unit rounds with sub-caliber, armor-piercing, cumulative high-explosive shells. It is stacked in open racks around the tower and the hull; and experience has shown that even a sliding projectile strike at a small meeting angle can cause detonation of ammunition. Of these, 20 are placed in a rack-mounted installation near the partition of the engine-transmission compartment, according to 8 - in two rack tanks on the right side of the control compartment, one each in the collar stacks in the lower part of the sides of the fighting compartment and two more in the collar stacked on the right side towers. Also in the tank is placed up to 2500 7,62-mm cartridges for coaxial machine gun GKT. The T62 version is additionally armed with an 12,7-mm anti-aircraft machine gun with an ammunition box for 500 cartridges mounted on the turret of the loader.


An early photograph of the T-64 with characteristic small track rollers and an infrared spotlight to the left of the gun. The driver's seat is located in the center of the car. Commander hatch open


T-64 and T-72


Even before the first T-62 tank was shown to the public, it became known in the West that a new Soviet tank was developed under the designation M1970. According to some sources, this project has never been manufactured, but the serial production of the tank began at the end of the 60's. It was very different from all previous Soviet tanks, had a new chassis and a new turret armed with an 125-mm cannon. The appearance of this tank made analysts in the West think hard. A new dimension was added to the definition of “threat”, and calls were made in the corridors of power from Bonn to Washington for the production of more powerful and more secure tanks to fight this new machine.

Over the next few years, Western military organizations gave this tank the designation T-72, but something like shock happened when the second new machine was shown in Moscow in the 1977 year. At first glance, the second car could pass for a new version of the T-72, but a more thorough analysis revealed significant differences between the two tanks. This triggered a change in Western indices and the earlier machine was designated the T-64.

The main differences between the T-64 and T-72 are in the engine and chassis. The photographs show that the location of the exhaust exhaust grilles at the rear of the machine is different, indicating that another engine could have been installed. Perhaps the T-64 has a diesel engine with a maximum output of 560 kW and specific power of 15 kW / t. According to our sources, this five-cylinder engine with horizontally opposed opposed cylinders is what distinguishes it from traditional tank engines. On the contrary, the T-72 tank is equipped with a B-64 engine, a variant of the B-55 diesel engine of the T-62 tank, but with increased power. It develops a power of 580 kW at 3000 rpm, which entails a specific power of 14 kW / t.

The T-64 tank has six small, stamped twin track rollers on board and a torsion bar suspension. The double track steel track is supported by four support rollers. The chassis of the T-72 includes six large cast twin track rollers on board and also a torsion bar suspension. The single-finger steel track is supported by just three support rollers. Modifications of the tower are minimal and consist in the transfer of an infrared searchlight, for the T-64 it was to the left of the main gun, for the T-72 it was installed to the right of the gun. Also installed another anti-aircraft machine gun. The T-72 tank has a new 12,7-mm machine gun on an open turret behind the commander’s turret. Fire from it, as on the T-62 tank, is possible only with the hatch open. On the T-64, the anti-aircraft machine gun is also mounted on the commander’s turret, but apparently it is remotely controlled.


A column of T-72 tanks with new towers before the underwater crossing of the river. The new rubber-fabric side screens have been removed for the entire length of the tank, it is possible to prevent damage to them during the crossing


The main and twin weapons are identical for both tanks. 125-mm smoothbore gun can fire armor-piercing sub-caliber, cumulative and high-explosive fragmentation shells. The initial velocity exceeds 1600 m / s for armor-piercing and 905 and 850 m / s for cumulative and high-explosive shells, respectively. The coaxial 7,62-mm PKT machine gun is the same as on the T-62 tank mounted coaxially to the right of the gun. Apparently the commander is responsible for the operation of the coaxial machine gun. The automatic loader delivers shots to the cannon, although the systems of these two tanks differ in how they work. In the T-72 tank, charges and shells are stacked in cells for one shot, a charge above the shell. A carousel with 40 such cells is installed on the floor of the tower. Shells of different types do not stack in a specific order, because the computer tracks the position of each shot. After the commander selects the type of shot he wants to shoot, the computer indicates the position of the nearest one and the rotating carousel rotates until the cell is under the loading mechanism. The barrel rises to the original vertical angle 4 °, then the cell is pulled up until the shell touches the back of the breech. The pivot arm sends it to the barrel and the cell then drops slightly, allowing the charge to be sent in the same way. The loading mechanism of the T-64 tank is apparently more complex. The projectile is stored vertically next to the charge, which means that the projectile must be turned before being blown up and the charge sent after it.

Some analysts believe that the T-64 was made as an intermediate solution, somewhere between the T-62 and the T-72. Recent observations may lead to this contradictory conclusion and it is possible that the T-72 is the next model after the T-62, and the T-64 is just a step away from the evolutionary chain.


The evolutionary scheme of the development of Soviet tanks


The first photographs confirming the existence of the T-64 tank appeared in the West in the early 1970's, although it could have been deployed even earlier. Since then, the T-64 tank entered the arsenal of the Soviet army in large quantities. According to some estimates, over the 1979 year, over 2000 of these tanks were deployed in the GSVG. On the contrary, many photos of the T-72 were released. For some reason, the T-72 is often on display. He, for example, was demonstrated during the visit of the French Minister of Defense to Moscow in 1977, where he and his retinue were shown the T-72 tank, although they were not allowed to look inside. The T-72 was also exported to countries outside the Warsaw Pact. Our sources claim that the current selling price of the T-72 is approximately two million dollars. Photos of the T-72 with the new tower were also published, which show that the reserve stadiometric rangefinder was removed. This publication in a purely Soviet style suggests that another tank, possibly a deeply modified version of the T-64, should become a standard Soviet battle tank. It has been suggested that the original T-64 tank is experiencing many operational problems and this is carefully hidden from prying eyes. These problems were named: poor accuracy of a powerful smoothbore gun; tendency to drop tracks; and among other things, the catastrophic unreliability of the engine, which also smokes mercilessly. Criticism of the T-64 tank hints that they initially wanted to make it the main battle tank of the Soviets, but its performance and reliability were so poor that the upgraded T-55 tanks and subsequently exported T-72 tanks were to be openly operated instead of the T-64. Apparently, the T-64 tanks in the GSVG are only training tanks, and their more advanced followers are already secretly stored at the forefront.


T-72 tanks at the parade during the West 81 exercises. A light metal thermo-jacket on the gun is fixed with clamps along the upper edge. The tank on the right has lost its end section of the thermal jacket


T-80


More than 10 years. It has passed since the adoption of the T-64 tank, and it is known that a new Soviet tank already exists today. What is this tank? In the West, he received the designation T-80 due to the lack of more reliable information.

The T-80 is armed with the main high-pressure 125-mm cannon, which fires advanced types of ammunition, including depleted uranium core BOPs. According to some reports, the tank weighs about 48,5 tons and may have a hydropneumatic suspension. In the Soviet Union, experiments were conducted on the installation of gas turbine engines. Two T-80 prototypes were made for testing, one with a gas turbine engine and the other with a high-power diesel engine similar to the engine mounted on a T-64 tank. However, it is unlikely that the turbine engine will become the standard engine of the T-80 tank.

The most significant change is the addition of composite armor to the hull and turret, explaining the increase in mass and giving the machine a box-shaped modern NATO tanks. This armor can either be very similar to the British Chobham armor, samples of which came to Russia from the territory of the Federal Republic of Germany, or it can be special Soviet-made multilayer armor, from such armor, for example, the frontal front sheets of T-64 / 72 tanks are made. According to the descriptions, the T-80 tank is similar to the T-64 or T-72 with additional armor and this is most likely true, especially considering the appearance of the T-72 with a new turret.

The study of the evolutionary scheme shows that it is quite possible to take the hull of one machine, in this case the T-64, and a new tower (or the deeply modernized T-72 tower) is installed on it, resulting in a new tank. It is also likely that the T-64 chassis received new small track rollers and an engine. The T-72 engine is unlikely to enter its engine and transmission compartment, and as a result, a further increase in power in order to cope with the excess mass of the T-80 tank will be impossible.

The drawing of the T-80 tank, according to those who saw photos of a real car, is very similar to the original. We pay special attention to the small track rollers, most likely from the T-64, and the lack of protective side screens. The main armament is the new 125-mm high-pressure gun, which is a further development of the cannons of the T-64 and T-72 tanks, capable of firing improved ammunition. The lack of an infrared spotlight hints at the use of night sights with enhanced image brightness or thermal imaging. Another interesting element is two groups of smoke grenade launchers. Until recently, all Soviet tanks used thermal smoke equipment to set the smoke screen. However, the T-64 tanks in the GSVG were spotted with smoke grenade installations. It is possible that these T-64 are equipped with new engines that are not compatible with thermal smoke equipment, and the same engine is installed in the T-80 tank.

Evolutionary benefits


The main goal of the designers of Soviet tanks, apparently, is to design and manufacture tanks as quickly and cheaply as possible without reducing the number of tanks in service. The evolutionary concept has allowed them to realize this, as well as other advantages. First of all, a certain level of standardization is always maintained, as a result of which time and efforts are not wasted in vain on the complete retraining of crews from one type of machine to another. The Soviet army has on balance a lot of tanks used as training vehicles. Thus, the risk of damage to the main models is eliminated and at the same time, high qualification of crews and training in skills that are necessary for the operation of tanks are maintained. This concept also provides designers with the ability to thoroughly test components, accept or reject them for successful generation machines.

The last innovative Soviet tank was the T-64 and therefore there is no reason to believe that the T-80 is also completely innovative; rumor has it that his successor is ready for production.
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  1. +7
    14 October 2019 18: 05
    I hope this is a translation of an article from IDR 12/1981 journal (seen from the original address of the article https://topwar.ru/163494-statya-iz-zhurnala-international-defense-review-12-1981-evolyuciya-sovetskih-tankov-plyus-otchet-ob-ispytaniyah-t-62.html), then it becomes more or less clear. :)))
  2. +11
    14 October 2019 18: 09
    Good tank. We have them equipped with 320 reservist TBR.

    1. +15
      14 October 2019 19: 44
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Good tank. We had them equipped with 320 reserve TBR

      I do not know. Personal opinion of the T-62 was a complete deadlock. It was in many ways worse than the T-55 and certainly worse than the T-64, T-72 and T-80.
      I was very amused by this statement:
      machines of this type in the West received the designation T-54/55. However, this tank was unpopular in many countries in which it was sold.
      That is, until now, most of them are in service.
      Modifications of the tower are minimal and consist in the transfer of an infrared searchlight, for the T-64 it was to the left of the main gun, for the T-72 it was installed to the right of the gun.
      Alas, the author is not quite right. The towers of these tanks are very different, and at the expense of the IR searchlight of the sight, at the first T-72 he also stood on the left ...
      1. +8
        14 October 2019 20: 47
        Alas, the author is not quite right. The towers of these tanks are very different

        They only assumed - articles of the Cold War era are all like that. If they could still get a T-72 tower, in theory, then there is no 64-tower, because it was not exported outside the union at all. And about 54-k - yes, strange conclusions. By the eighties, the 54th had already been studied far and wide, and there was nothing, and the reliability of these machines could hardly be doubted.
        1. +4
          14 October 2019 21: 09
          Quote: LastPS
          because it was generally not exported outside the union.

          Well, of course there is no export, but the USSR was in large quantities abroad, in Germany, Hungary, Poland ...
          Quote: LastPS
          By the eighties, the 54th had already been studied far and wide, and there was nothing, and the reliability of these machines could hardly be doubted.
          Yes it is.
          1. +2
            15 October 2019 02: 40
            Quote: svp67
            Well, of course there is no export, but the USSR was in large quantities abroad, in Germany, Hungary, Poland ...

            Well, judging by the press, the T-64 was still a "dark horse" for the broad masses. The military might know more about the 64, but the widespread opinion was that this tank was unsuccessful, although this is not entirely true. The problematic suspension and boxer are only one side of the coin, on the other, a perfect MSA, a 125-mm cannon-launcher, a protected anti-aircraft machine gun, an automatic loader, composite armor and, again, a boxer.
            1. +2
              15 October 2019 05: 30
              Quote: LastPS
              Well, judging by the press, the T-64 was still a "dark horse" for the broad masses.

              The broad masses were not able to distinguish the T-64, not only from the T-72 and T-80, but also from the T-55 and T-62
              1. +3
                15 October 2019 06: 45
                Well, it’s clear that I had in mind all this near-war movement, just then instead of VO there were specialized publications, reference books and interest clubs. I have an encyclopedia of military equipment around the beginning of the 80s, although it was published here in the mid-2000s. This is not a children's encyclopedia, but quite a weighty guide to all types of weapons that was used in those years. So, with regard to Soviet weapons, there are a lot of conjectures out there.
                1. 0
                  15 October 2019 06: 53
                  Quote: LastPS
                  Again, the opposition.

                  And with this, what did you want to say?
                  1. +1
                    17 October 2019 13: 13
                    That the engine is interesting and cool, but extremely demanding on the level of maintenance.
                    1. 0
                      17 October 2019 15: 33
                      Quote: LastPS
                      That the engine is interesting and cool, but extremely demanding on the level of maintenance.

                      More to a culture of exploitation ...
      2. -1
        15 October 2019 14: 36
        I do not know. Personal opinion of the T-62 was a complete deadlock. It was in many ways worse than the T-55 and certainly worse than the T-64, T-72 and T-80.

        And what was the T-62 worse than the T-55?
        The gun is weaker? Or worse habitability? Patency?
        It was not just "piled".
        Could the T-54/55 fight tanks equipped with the British Royal Ordnance L7?
        We won’t take them into account T-64/72/80 later
        1. 0
          15 October 2019 15: 06
          Quote: hohol95
          And what was the T-62 worse than the T-55?

          I will answer easily. Manageability, precision guns, large dimensions and weight
          Quote: hohol95
          It was not just "piled".

          He, in fact, was a "necessary measure".
          When it turned out that the two leading design bureaus of the tank building of the USSR were not up to par, Kharkovsky with his ob. 432, and N. Tagilsky with the inability to offer something equivalent to him. But Tagiltsev had in reserve the project ob. 166, which in many respects represented the "bloated" T-55. Its chassis, transmission, engine inherited all the main technical solutions of the T-55. But if they worked perfectly on the T-55, then due to the increase in mass and dimensions on the T-62, they began to work with a BIG strain.
          1. 0
            15 October 2019 15: 20
            Here you are writing about the accuracy of the tool. And what could the D-10TS fight with when the requirements for the T-62 appeared? At the same time, the first T-64 was armed with a 115 mm gun! But by that time he was still "finishing up", devouring the people's money with his revolutionary spirit.
            1. 0
              15 October 2019 15: 33
              Quote: hohol95
              Here you are writing about the accuracy of the guns. And what could the D-10TS fight with when the requirements for T-62 appeared?

              Sorry, it was just a matter of modernization. As an ATGM under a 100-mm tank gun, no one called weak. We decided to take the path of increasing the caliber and yes the gun turned out to be more powerful, its BPS could penetrate the frontal armor of the Centurion and M-60, but accuracy. The 100 was nevertheless more accurate and honest, I would rather go into battle with the T-55 than the T-62.
              1. 0
                15 October 2019 15: 53
                ... I'd rather go into battle on the T-55 than on the T-62.

                Against Centurion or M-60? Or Chieften?
                We needed a quick response to installing the L7 on all the main tanks of a potential enemy!
                Created U-5TS "Hammer"! Probably not found another quick answer.
                1. +2
                  15 October 2019 16: 19
                  Quote: hohol95
                  Against Centurion or M-60? Or Chieften?

                  Yes, even against the Abrams, the T-55 provides greater speed and maneuverability, and therefore more chances of getting closer. Add to this the smaller geometric dimensions, with virtually the same armor protection.
                  You analyze how many countries produced the T-55, and how many T-62. Although moving on to production from one to another, it was significantly easier than the subsequent T-72.
                  Not impressed by the characteristics of the T-62, not then not after. The OVD armies gladly took the T-55, especially the Czech production. Czechoslovakia, Poland, Romania, this is only a close circle of "allies" that produced the T-55
                  1. 0
                    15 October 2019 16: 25
                    You are a tanker - you know better. Well at least not on the T-60/70 do you want to go into battle against the Abrams ...
                    1. 0
                      15 October 2019 16: 34
                      Quote: hohol95
                      Well at least not on the T-60/70 do you want to go into battle against the Abrams ...

                      On these only "skerry", but "scare" the infantry
                      1. +1
                        15 October 2019 16: 37
                        Come on! If you decided to "fill up and sand Brahms" on the T-55, then on the T-70 -
                        You will burn the Challenger! The main thing is to get closer.
                      2. +1
                        15 October 2019 17: 00
                        And on the T-27 WE are with you all of the United States (even the state of Hawaii) to take full !!! drinks
                      3. +1
                        15 October 2019 17: 58
                        Quote: hohol95
                        And on the T-27 WE are with you all of the United States (even the state of Hawaii) to take full !!!

                        Easy ... the main thing is that they would not beat us ...
                      4. +1
                        15 October 2019 22: 51
                        They will knock knuckles on armor! And your teeth will break if you decide to bite! drinks
                      5. 0
                        16 October 2019 04: 48
                        Quote: hohol95
                        They will knock knuckles on armor! And your teeth will break if you decide to bite!

                        Yes, it somehow didn’t interfere with the Basmachi ... but there were wild people, and we were going to fight with civilized ones laughing drinks
                      6. 0
                        16 October 2019 08: 10
                        So to the Basmachis or Berbers from the emirate, the Reef is far from them. But Patrick Swayze has already died and will not be able to assemble a new partisan detachment. Not well, unless Marvel throws his HEROES into battle ....
                        Regarding the basmachi, would you give an example?
                      7. +1
                        17 October 2019 03: 56
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Regarding the basmachi, would you give an example?

                        Please ...
                        Intelligence reported that the entire nearest basmachi gang was concentrated at the Chagyl well against the 2nd Turkmen regiment, which asked for help. The detachment hastened to its aid - and on the morning of September 13 at the Tuar well (12 km southwest of Chagyl) it suddenly ran into a fortified area of ​​several rows of trenches. About 600 basmachs sat in the trenches, while the red fighters expected to meet in the worst case a screen of 40 horsemen.

                        Initially, wedges caused confusion among the Basmachi. However, instead of throwing the entire platoon of tankettes into battle - as it should be according to the instructions of tactics - and behind them moving machine guns and infantry, only one tankette was sent forward. She fell into the pit, was shot by the recalled Basmachi in the gap at point blank range and burned down, the crew of the wedge hen killed. Lamanov himself did not survive the battle.


                        And at the expense of T-55, in the USSR, in addition to the Kharkov and Nizhny Tagil factories, there were also tank factories in Leningrad and Omsk. Where T-55 was produced, for export, until the complete transition of these plants to the production of T-80
                      8. 0
                        17 October 2019 08: 03
                        Here, the blame for the death of the crew lies entirely with the commanders of the platoon of tankettes and the commander of the entire detachment of red fighters. hi
                      9. 0
                        17 October 2019 08: 07
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Here, the blame for the death of the crew lies entirely with the commanders of the platoon of tankettes and the commander of the entire detachment of red fighters.

                        You know, from our heights we can make assessments safely, but what would we do then in that situation?
                      10. 0
                        17 October 2019 08: 47
                        Your words are correct. But seeing in front of you a full-fledged defensive object and sending one single tankette .... In the hope of panic among the "natives"?
                      11. +1
                        17 October 2019 08: 53
                        Quote: hohol95
                        In the hope of panic among the "aborigines"?

                        Yes, most likely. When reading the memoirs of participants in those events, one often comes across the mention that the Basmach detachments dispersed as the armored cars approached or when the aircraft approached. Apparently hoped and then ... but it did not work out
                  2. 0
                    15 October 2019 18: 04
                    Yes, it is surprising, but the T-62 only hit Bulgaria.
    2. -1
      15 October 2019 21: 46
      I don’t know ... I saw these tanks in the boxes in one of the infantry brigades in the beginning
      90s. But they were idle. Reservist tankers sabotaged training camps and
      stubbornly refused to ride them and participate in exercises.
      Reason: the incredible uncomfortability of the T-62 for the crew. Which crossed out
      many of its advantages.
      During these years, the Centurions were written off, and the tankers "rebelled": "Leave the Centurion,
      write off the T-62 ".
      1. +1
        15 October 2019 22: 48
        Does your reservist like comfort?
        Here is one of your compatriots who decided to change the comfort of gray workdays to extreme in the Russian colony!
  3. +2
    14 October 2019 18: 21
    The maximum range of the 115-mm U-5TS gun is limited by the aiming range of the gunner’s sight TSh2B-41U and is 4800 meters when firing a high-explosive fragmentation projectile, although it is unlikely that this extreme range will ever be used except when the tank is on a stationary fire range positions (typical Soviet tactics) :. Consequently, the theoretical maximum range of the actual fire on the tank is 2000 meters, although Middle Eastern experience shows that this figure is closer to 1600 meters.

    The maximum range in 2000m - they mean the deserts of Israel?))
    In our latitudes, but at dominant heights - the tank works up to 4m. Or do they think that the tank should only shoot at the tank? )))
    1. +8
      14 October 2019 21: 25
      Quote: lucul
      In our latitudes, but at dominant heights - the tank works up to 4m.

      No, you're wrong. From the same T-62, the OFS firing range is 11 m, when firing at long range
  4. +17
    14 October 2019 18: 50
    The drawing of the T-80 tank, according to those who saw photos of a real car, is very similar to the original.

    Here is the picture from the article.
    1. +17
      14 October 2019 18: 53

      And this is the original. Everyone can determine the degree of similarity for himself.
    2. Alf
      +8
      14 October 2019 20: 46
      Quote: Undecim
      Here is the picture from the article.

      I immediately remembered THIS.

      AND THIS.
    3. +7
      14 October 2019 21: 10
      Quote: Undecim
      very similar to the original.

      Well, somewhere close ... laughing tongue
  5. +5
    14 October 2019 19: 19
    In a recent test drive of the T-62, our magazine found out ... and the body with Christie's suspension ...

    Is there a torsion bar or is my roof going?
    1. +6
      14 October 2019 20: 35
      I can assume that, unlike us, "THEY" do not call the suspension of the christi springs, but large-diameter rollers.

      so the article is interesting, I read it with pleasure.
    2. -1
      15 October 2019 13: 31
      Quote: Amateur
      Is there a torsion bar or is my roof going?
      There are rollers of large diameter, almost like the T-34, which has a Christie suspension. The author was mistaken, it is visible because of skating rinks.
  6. +4
    14 October 2019 19: 19
    Some kind of nonsense with a claim to spurious objectivity.
    1. Alf
      +6
      14 October 2019 19: 50
      Quote: mark1
      Some kind of nonsense with a claim to spurious objectivity.

      Western analysts ... what
  7. +5
    14 October 2019 19: 41
    Yeah, on the T-62, Christie’s suspension ... you can not read further ...
  8. +3
    14 October 2019 19: 56
    The machine is equipped with a 12-cylinder V-55V engine with a maximum output power of 430 kW at 2000 rpm, which allows a maximum speed of 80 km / h.


    80 sq / m per hour ?! It was after how many glasses the author had such a dream. 62nd in general seemed to me much less agile and agile than the same "half a quarter".
    I forgot in my old age what was the name of the stabilizer on the 62nd, not "Cyclone", by any chance?
    1. +2
      14 October 2019 20: 32
      Well, if you let him out of the mountain, then he will run a hundred! Losing caterpillars due to bursting fingers grass!)))
    2. +10
      14 October 2019 21: 33
      hi Buddy Konstantin aka Sea Cat!
      Five years ago, I had all the characteristics of the T-55 and T-62 from the teeth bounced, but now it’s not at all like that, alas!
      I read the conjectures of this "foreign analyst" completely indifferently (but how can you somehow seriously treat this, almost entirely ridiculous, "fairy tale" ?! smile ), with light humor, and an enduring sad feeling of nostalgia for youth and our brisk, albeit cramped, "fifty-five" with its excellent rifled "weaving" D10T-2S (stabilizer STP-2 "Cyclone" - I still remember this, even at night wake up ! wink )! good
      And on the "sixty-two" there was a stabilizer with the flower name "Lilac"!
      Health and all the best to you! drinks
      Regards, Your Pishchak!
    3. +10
      14 October 2019 21: 52
      hi Buddy Konstantin aka Sea Cat!
      On the T-62 the stabilizer was called "Lilac", and on our "fifty-five" - ​​"Cyclone"! I liked the T-55 more and its precise rifled "weaving", again, the "shells" are dexterous in handling and the sight without a "round scale"! smile
      I did not drive a "fifty-four", so I cannot compare, but I did not notice the differences in agility and agility of the T-55 and T-62 - I liked both "behind the levers", but I am not a driver by profession either! smile
      I wish you all good health and health !!!
      Regards, Your Pishchak.
      1. +7
        14 October 2019 22: 15
        Hi Buddy, and thanks for the reply. hi
        On my "fifty-four" there was no stabilizer at all. For the entire regiment, only the battalion commander and the regiment commander. And we, sinners, only have an electric turn of the bashnya, but thanks for that. smile
      2. +9
        14 October 2019 22: 21
        PS I forgot to write to you, my friend Konstantin, that as soon as I read about the allegedly "gearbox without synchronizers" and supposedly "Christie's suspension", I already read "indifferently", cheerfully and absolutely not "straining" from fabulous absurdities, it was just interesting to get acquainted with an enemy gaze on our native armored vehicles. winked
      3. +1
        15 October 2019 23: 23
        “On the T-62, the stabilizer was called“ Lilac. ”In my battalion, all 31 tanks had only Meteora, although the vehicles were of very different years of production. Not all of them after the CD.
        1. +2
          15 October 2019 23: 52
          Quote: AlexGa
          “On the T-62, the stabilizer was called“ Lilac. ”In my battalion, all 31 tanks had only Meteora, although the vehicles were of very different years of production. Not all of them after the CD.

          hi Yes, you are right, dear AlexGa! "Meteor" on the T-62 (I was too lazy to look at the Internet right away - I am to blame for Comrade Konstantin aka Sea Cat, unreasonably hoping for the memory of 40 years ago, although my "first love" and main specialization was in the T-55, the T-62 tank was for me only "transitional" before the "coveted" "sixty-four" smile ), and "Lilac" is on the T-64, for which I never finished retraining (at one time, in my youth, I very much regretted it, but now, at sunset, I realized that, indeed, "accidents no coincidence "and Destiny really exists. IMHO).
          I hope that our Dear Friend Konstantin will return to this page and read your correct answer!
          I sincerely thank you, AlexGa!
          With respect.
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  10. +6
    14 October 2019 20: 26
    What kind of game I just read ....
    What light T-34? What kind of suspension is Christie on 62? Replacing the engine and from T54 we get T55 and not a word about anti-radiation protection? T62 was not popular ????
    I did not even read further.
    The author simply doesn’t know anything about tank building or he has very much been torn down somewhere! weak article.
    1. 0
      15 October 2019 13: 36
      See the cap is not fate? An article more than 40 years ago! The author put together a bunch of evidence of those who saw the drawings, drawn according to the rumors of those who seemed to be.
  11. +5
    14 October 2019 20: 36
    Yeah!!! These analysts! The level of the blogger from WOT. Moreover, the most stoned! To analyze nonsense - fire!
  12. +10
    14 October 2019 20: 41
    It was also interesting in some places (as a tanker-"fifty-five-sixty-two", so, alas, ((but how later, in 2014-2015, it turned out, fortunately!)), And did not finish his retraining on the "T-64" for the reason post-Soviet destructive "perturbations" in the "Square") it is a little strange to read this view "from the opposite side"! good
    Partly reminded me of my own recent fantasy "fictions" on Topvar.Ru about a photo of an improved version of the Leopard-2 tank, presented as a prototype of a "joint German-French promising development", also wrote about the alleged "hydropneumatic suspension". smile

    A five-speed gearbox with synchronization (starting with 2nd gear) was still on the T-55, as far as I remember, many decades have passed since then ?! Those who drove the "fifty-five" also freely mastered driving the T-62 (with driving the T-10, yes, there were some nuances), did not encounter any difficulties with shifting gears on these tanks (the most stressful was the beginning of the movement after stopping on the rise uphill - not everyone did it right at once with the mountain brake and starting the engine!) It was not for nothing that the T-55, not only in the Soviet Army, was called "the tanker's desk (school)." winked

    In the early 80s, we also "secretly" shared with each other exaggerated rumors, speculations about a "new jet tank" and its "magnificent properties", attributing to this tightly classified tank all conceivable and inconceivable advantages (some of this later turned out to be reality, but something is not, in those same years I was surprised and therefore remembered the story of one comrade, who allegedly saw a tested "eighty" in Afghanistan, which detected the enemy's shot and immediately produced its response "on the machine" - without the participation of the gunner!) ... that I do not see anything surprising in the conscientious delusions of the then foreign analysts, even if, even, it happened, the Soviet tank officers remained in relative ignorance. request
    1. +3
      14 October 2019 20: 49
      If so, then the analysts of the 60s. After the Arab-Israeli wars, foreign experts had a lot of "material" to get acquainted in detail and not write such nonsense of the level of a junior school student)
      1. +2
        14 October 2019 21: 06
        I myself am amazed at this "level of" venerable "foreign analysts" who had the opportunity to touch and operate the T-62 with their own hands! request

        Regarding their "good assumptions" I fully understand the foreign "logic" of sound reasoning, after all, no Western pragmatist would have thought of rationalizing that in the "planned economy" of the Soviet Union, advertised in the West, such a mega-wasteful, irrational "tank leapfrog" is possible and a real competitive war "not on the stomach, but to the death" of the party-industrial clans, "Northern" and "Southern", "Tagil", "Kharkov", "Leningrad" and "dangling" between them - "gray-brown" wayward and capricious allies .... hence the quite understandable gross errors in the construction of a hypothetical "chain of evolution of Soviet tanks" ??? wassat
  13. +8
    14 October 2019 21: 09
    Quote: slowpokemonkey
    I can assume that, unlike us, "THEY" do not call the suspension of the christi springs, but large-diameter rollers.

    so the article is interesting, I read it with pleasure.

    "They", if you take the experts, Christie's suspension is called the same thing as "we". But “there” there are also “sofa experts” who spread all kinds of “secret knowledge”. They call "Christie suspension" any chassis with large rollers. Already on this you can determine the level of the author of the article.
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  15. +5
    14 October 2019 21: 48
    Apparently ... there is no reason to consider ... most likely ... Perhaps ... it is likely ...

    And then some "require" the characteristics of Armata, Yars or (God forbid) Poseidon! We can't deal with the T-62 in any way ... but, you know, give them something fresh!
  16. +1
    15 October 2019 14: 51
    Either the translation is crooked, or the author did not know what he was writing about (which is strange if he himself was running the T-62).
    For example, this statement about an unsynchronized gearbox, where did it come from?
    We can, of course, assume that the tank was killed in the trash and rebuilt somehow "on the knee", incl. The checkpoint is not native. The fact that the standard engine starting system did not work testifies in favor of this version.
    EMNIP, when ours experienced the captured Focke-Wulf 190 during the war, the aircraft after an unsuccessful repair also made a completely inadequate impression.
  17. 0
    21 October 2019 17: 46
    Amateur review.
    "without the costs typical for Western countries for conducting evaluative tests practically with the destruction of prototypes"
    "and the body with a Christie suspension and no top idlers has a low squat configuration" What is the Christie suspension of the T-62?
    "Tank T-62 is lightly armored and passive protection is mostly provided by its low projection." Oh yeah!!! German Leo-1 and AMKhs, with M-60s and Pattons with Chieftains, gods of booking. FUNNY!
  18. 0
    21 November 2019 21: 41
    Quote: slowpokemonkey
    I can assume that, unlike us, "THEY" do not call the suspension of the christi springs, but large-diameter rollers.

    They don't call anything like that (it wasn't the kitchen experts who wrote then). The T-44 also has large rollers, but he correctly pointed out - torsion bar suspension instead of Christie. And the T-62 was either wrong (which is unlikely) or (most likely) "wrong." In the present speaking, he made a stuffing-in in order to lower the technical level of Soviet tanks for ordinary people.