RTO "Sovetsk" project 22800 Karakurt became part of the Baltic Fleet

Small rocket ship "Sovetsk" project 22800 cipher Karakurt became part of the Naval fleet Of Russia. The ceremony of raising the naval flag was held in Baltiysk, Kaliningrad region. This was reported at the headquarters of the Western Military District.

Representatives of the command of the Baltic Fleet, the shipbuilding company Pella, as well as military personnel of the Baltic Fleet, took part in the ceremony of introducing RTOs to the Navy. The ship was included in the Baltic Fleet; it will serve in connecting missile ships and boats of the Baltic Naval Base.

RTO "Sovetsk" became the second ship of this class, which became part of the Baltic Fleet after the lead ship of the series "Mytishchi", which became part of the fleet 17 December 2018 year.

RTO Sovetsk (formerly Typhoon) was laid on the Pella Shipyard on December 24 of the year 2015 simultaneously with the head RTO Mytishchi (formerly Hurricane). The lead ship was launched on 29 on July 2017 of the year, and Sovetsk RTO on November 24 of 2017 of the year. Now both ships will serve together.

Currently, two more RTOs of this project are under construction at the Pella CVC: Squall (renamed Odintsovo) laid / launched on July 29 2016 / 5 in May 2018 of the year and Storm was laid / launched on December 24 2016 / 23 October 2018, respectively. At the same time, at the SSZ “More” in Feodosia under the contract for the construction of seven ships concluded with “Pella”, three MRCs are under construction: “Storm” (renamed to “Kozelsk”), “Okhotsk” and “Whirlwind”.

On August 5 of 2016 of the year, the Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the construction of five more missile defense systems of the 22800 project with JSC Zelenodolsk Plant named after A.M. Gorky (Zelenodolsk). The order was distributed between Zelenodolsk and the Gulf Shipyard in Kerch, on which the Cyclone RTOs (26 of July 2016 of the year) and Monsoon (Askold) were laid, laid on 18 of November 2016 of the year and Passat (Amur) , laid 30 July 2017 year). In Zelenodolsk, the bookmark of RTO Tucha passed 26 on February 2019 of the year, and RTO Typhoon went on 11 on September 2019 of the year.

In August 2018, the Ministry of Defense signed contracts for the construction of six more RTOs for the Pacific Fleet. Four of them will be built at Amur Shipbuilding Plant JSC (Komsomolsk-on-Amur) with 2026 delivery in year, and two ships at Vostochnaya Verf JSC (Vladivostok) with delivery at 2023 year. In Komsomolsk-on-Amur, July 1 laid two RTOs - "Rzhev" and "Udomlya".

The ships of the 22800 Karakurt project are actually replacing in the construction for the Russian Navy the MRKs of the 21631 project (code "Buyan-M"), of which only 12 pieces were ordered. According to the plans of the Russian Navy, the fleet should include at least 18 RTOs of the 22800 project.

RTOs of this project have a length of 67 meters, a width of 11 meters and a draft of 4 meters. Displacement - about 800 tons, cruising range - up to 2500 miles, autonomy - 15 days. The main armament is one UKKSK (universal ship complex) 3X14 missile launcher on the 8 KR Caliber, one 76-mm AK-176MA gun mount, ZRAK Panzir-M, two 14.5-mm or 12,7-mm machine-gun mounts MTTPU.

Comments

[Thrifty]

When will we begin to build a real fleet, with destroyers with a displacement of 9000 tons? ??

[Agronom]

Quote: Thrifty

When will we begin to build a real fleet, with destroyers with a displacement of 9000 tons? ??

It is necessary to ask our oligarchs or colonels of the FSB .. Now it’s so in Russia!

[Thrifty]

Vitalik, you had to run for parliament in a thought, at least. ..you would introduce them to Kuzma’s mother

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Thrifty

Vitalik, you had to run for parliament in a thought, at least. ..you would introduce them to Kuzma’s mother

Only the Israelis and the Poles will suffer in hiding ... not so much he favors them!
And the news is good! Compared with Buyan - Karakurt has much better seaworthiness! Seven feet under the keel!

[venik]

Quote: Hunter 2

Compared with Buyan - Karakurt has much better seaworthiness!

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Right! Only when will they begin to equip them with "Armor" ?! And then 1 - AK-176MA and 2 - AK-630 - will not be enough for air defense !!! Even the old 1234.1 looks stronger in this regard!

[Piramidon]

Quote: venik

Only when will they begin to equip them with "Armor" ?!

But do not equip?

The main armament - one PU UKSK (universal ship complex) 3S14 RK for 8 KR "Caliber", one 76-mm gun mount AK-176MA, ZRAK "Pantsir-M", two 14.5 mm or 12,7 mm machine guns MTPU.

[venik]

Quote: Piramidon

But do not equip?

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If you look closely at Sovetsk, you will notice that instead of Pantsyr there are 2 AK-630 installations !!!

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: venik

Only when will they begin to equip them with "Armor" ?!

the second serial will already receive the Shell ... like all subsequent ones

Quote: Piramidon

But do not equip?

No, the head and 1st serial are not equipped!

[Observer2014]

Agronom

It is necessary to ask our oligarchs or colonels of the FSB .. Now it’s so in Russia!

Or ask your next reincarnation? Your many faces are tired already. Who is pouring your pension? Do not betray these at least. You betrayed them. That country is not. Therefore, do not touch your current masters. Are you okay? Well, okay. What is your concern to millions of us. your business is up to us, not you?

[Agronom]

Quote: Observer2014

Or ask your next reincarnation? Your many faces are tired already. Who is pouring your pension?

Are you bullying again ..?

Quote: Observer2014

Do not betray these at least. You betrayed them. That country is not. Therefore, do not touch your current masters. Are you okay? Well, okay. What is your concern to millions of us. your business is up to us, not you?

Eco like you and you alike wrinkles from MIKHAN he he ..
Such as I am a lot in Russia and the Maidan, we will not be able to arrange for you ..
We’ll come and cover the cabbage, the whole riffraff ..

[Qiman Kyrivo]

Nonsense

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Quote: Thrifty
When will we begin to build a real fleet, with destroyers with a displacement of 9000 tons? ??

It is necessary to ask our oligarchs or colonels of the FSB .. Now it’s so in Russia! hi

What are you whining like an old grandmother ?!

What doesn’t ships build in Russia ?! Look at how many were put into operation, launched into the water and only the nuclear submarines, Borey and Yasen, are being completed ?! Only about 19 pieces and the series can be continued, and this is for each of $ 1 or more !!!

Russia alone spent more than $ 20 billion on the construction of the Borey and Ash-tree submarines !!!

Carriers for Paseidon are under construction.

In parallel, the modernization of Shchuk-B, Anteyev and Barracud is still ongoing.

On surface ships, too, everything is not as bad as many whine. Now Russia has been working on the construction of corvettes pr.20380 / 20385 and frigates pr.11356 and pr.22350, developed new principles for building ships and tested all combat systems from PLO and air defense to URO and after saturating the fleet with corvettes and frigates, Russia will start building destroyers and cruisers .

In addition to corvettes and frigates, UDCs and mine sweepers and communication vessels are also being built; next year, 2 helicopter carriers will be laid in Kerch.

The development and construction of carrier-based aviation is underway.

Finish your nagging, rejoice at what is and is under construction.

There are no oligarchs in Russia, there are rich people, they do not exert a significant influence on the country's policy.

[Lord of the Sith]

Their job is to kindle.

[Nycomed]

"The chicken is pecking by the grain", these are also very necessary, especially considering that our fleet is now "coastal". And for the Baltic and the Black Sea Fleet just right. And real destroyers must be built in large series at once, at least 10 pieces each, otherwise it makes no sense. What's the use if you put one on the water every 5-7 years?

[Botanologist]

Quote: Nycomed

"The chicken pecks by the grain"

As the grass grows up, the horse will die of hunger.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Here we finish the ships of the near zone and take it. We need to go from small to large - I think so, but I in no way pretend to be admiral.

[seti]

Comrade you think correctly. We missed too strong a blow so that many and all at once. It is a fact. Peter the Great once said - "rejoice in the little, then the great will come." Harness it slowly, but go quickly.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Comrade, this is how my soul fell ... Thank you.

[APASUS]

Quote: Thrifty

When will we begin to build a real fleet, with destroyers with a displacement of 9000 tons? ??

We do not seem to have a full production cycle for such ships. We do not produce engines, so for now they are only modernizing Rybinsk engines

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: venik

when will they begin to equip them with "Armor" ?! And then 1 - AK-176MA and 2 - AK-630 - will not be enough for air defense !!!

Exactly, they write one thing, but in the photo AK instead of "Pantsir".)))
I had to look for 5 minutes and now .... discussed in the news "Sovetsk" is the second ship in the series. But the next "Odintsovo" and all subsequent ones will be with "Armor".

[Thunderbolt]

Here such will enter next year.

[NEXUS]

Quote: APASUS

We do not seem to have a full production cycle for such ships. We do not produce engines, so for now they are only modernizing Rybinsk engines

If sclerosis doesn’t fail me, not so long ago from every iron they talked about the Leader destroyer, displacement 18 000 tons, and with the YaSU RITM-200, which was recently installed on the Arctic icebreaker.
Question-YaSU is, but where is the Leader then?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: APASUS

We do not produce engines, so for now they are only modernizing Rybinsk motors

For pr. 22350 domestic gas turbine engines are already there. Experienced engines have been experiencing for over a year.

As of March 2018, UEC-Saturn PJSC produced three prototypes of the M90FR gas turbine engine (GTE). This is reported in the company's presentation on the success in creating ship-borne gas turbine engines, dated March 30 and posted on the website of the Union of Russian Aircraft Manufacturers.

[APASUS]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: APASUS

We do not produce engines, so for now they are only modernizing Rybinsk motors

For pr. 22350 domestic gas turbine engines are already there. Experienced engines have been experiencing for over a year.

As of March 2018, UEC-Saturn PJSC produced three prototypes of the M90FR gas turbine engine (GTE). This is reported in the company's presentation on the success in creating ship-borne gas turbine engines, dated March 30 and posted on the website of the Union of Russian Aircraft Manufacturers.

What does it mean to eat? How do you understand this 7? Here is what is written on the NPO Saturn page:

NPO Saturn together with NPP Zorya-Mashproekt also participates in the creation of the Russian shipboard gas turbine engine - M90FR with a capacity of 27500 hp. for frigates of project 22350. In autumn 2005, the M90FR gas turbine engine successfully passed state tests as part of the M56 gas turbine unit.

http://www.npo-saturn.ru/?sat=6&rssid=1172813698&slang=0
How many years have they been experiencing this? As I understand it, 14, but how much more do you need to experience?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: APASUS

Here is what is written on the NPO Saturn page:

NPO Saturn together with NPP Zorya-Mashproekt also participates in the creation of the Russian shipboard gas turbine engine - M90FR with a capacity of 27500 hp. for frigates of project 22350. In autumn 2005, the M90FR gas turbine engine successfully passed state tests as part of the M56 gas turbine unit.

Read the written carefully. Doesn’t it bother you? I suggest - "Zorya-Mashproekt".
The quote you quoted refers to the previous version of the M90FR, created in cooperation with Ukraine:

On the Russian side, NPO Saturn OJSC (area of ​​responsibility - power turbine), NPO Avrora FSUE (GTE, diesel and unit control systems), Kolomensky Zavod OJSC (diesel engine), on the part of Ukraine - GP NPKG "Zorya - Mashproekt" (turbocharger and gearbox). The tests are carried out on the basis of the Ukrainian state enterprise RPC "Zorya-Mashproekt", since in Russia there is still no bench base for testing offshore gas turbine units.

But only after 2014 all this cooperation was completed. And Russia was forced to urgently import two of the most important and most complex units + stand.
The first stage of the stand was put into operation in 2017. The first experimental 146% of the domestic M90FR was made at the end of the same year.

[APASUS]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: APASUS

We do not produce engines, so for now they are only modernizing Rybinsk motors

For pr. 22350 domestic gas turbine engines are already there. Experienced engines have been experiencing for over a year.

As of March 2018, UEC-Saturn PJSC produced three prototypes of the M90FR gas turbine engine (GTE). This is reported in the company's presentation on the success in creating ship-borne gas turbine engines, dated March 30 and posted on the website of the Union of Russian Aircraft Manufacturers.

How do you understand - ALREADY IS? We turn directly to the manufacturer and on his page it says:

NPO Saturn together with NPP Zorya-Mashproekt also participates in the creation of the Russian shipboard gas turbine engine - M90FR with a capacity of 27500 hp. for frigates of project 22350. In autumn 2005, the M90FR gas turbine engine successfully passed state tests as part of the M56 gas turbine unit.

http://www.npo-saturn.ru/?sat=6&rssid=1172813698&slang=0
As I understand it, they have been tested for 14 years, but how many more tests are needed?

[Chaldon48]

In the East of the country, in Bolshoy Kamen, the shipyard "Zvezda" has been under construction for 10 years, and it is possible that they will start building large-tonnage ships there.

[Rzzz]

Yes, especially a huge plant and is not needed. The destroyer can even be built on the Middle Nevsky, only expand the slip onto it a couple of tracks.

[Stalllker]

What for? That was??? Or is there a reasonable explanation for your wishes ???

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

When will we begin to build a real fleet, with destroyers with a displacement of 9000 tons? ??

After that, we will determine the final appearance and build a series of corvettes and frigates.

[Sergei71]

Never, yet .... a lake, it is a lake. In all senses.

[Ryaruav]

for the Baltic, these ships are the maximum that is needed, and even that can be dispensed with missile boats and mine-sweeping forces, but in the required quantities, of course, re-equipping the rocket with modern missile systems

[ultra]

Quote: Ryaruav

for the Baltic, these ships are the maximum that is needed

And what's the point in them? In light of the fact that the INF Treaty has died, we can perfectly deploy "Calibers" on land. It will be much cheaper. You need to build full-fledged ships, not under-frigates or such boats. They are the very place where they were originally intended, this is the Caspian Sea and that is all. In other theaters of operation, their prospects are doubtful.

[Bronis]

Build what they can build. There is more sense from the at least poorly built MRCs than from ships of greater displacement, but, for various reasons, not included in the fleet for 8-10 years. The 22350 frigate project as an example. In other words, it is better to have an 10 MRK in the fleet than an 4 frigate, but on stocks. Alas, the realities of today

[ultra]

Quote: Bronis

In other words, it is better to have 10 RTOs in the fleet than 4 frigates, but on slipways.

What's better? Because 8 calibers from each ship can be pulled around Europe? And what other functions do these RTOs or even the notorious 1160 have? There is no air defense, no anti-aircraft defense.

[Bronis]

Which is better? That they will ... have a choice. or to build nothing at all, or to build what we can. RTOs can bullet in Europe, can on enemy surface ships. One way or another, but at least something should go to the fleet. otherwise it will not remain as such. retention of personnel in the PKB, in production, in the Navy is also necessary.
Yes, and in Soviet times, MRK and RK were a noticeable component of surface forces. RTOs do not replace ships of the "senior" classes (although admirals say this in the media out of grief).
Remember that the year in 10 was planned for 20. A dozen frigates, a dozen two corvettes. Really 4 frigate and as many corvettes. Mustache ... and those with considerable questions about combat readiness, judging by the pieces of information in the media.
It is clear that I would like destroyers, aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines ... But it does not work to build them in series. And, probably, it will not work with the current model of state organization. We have what we have.
And the so-called "patrol ships" are the fruit of hopelessness, multiplied by someone's greed, it seems to me.

[bukhach]

Sorry, but patrol ships are building in all the fleets of the world, why can't we, if possible?

[Bronis]

Yes, and we build them in considerable quantities. And this is normal. But we are building for the needs of border guards, not the Navy. Border guards just need such ships. They do not need missile strike weapons and air defense systems. In return, they get more autonomy and a helicopter with a relatively modest displacement. But the Navy is not the FSB. He faces other tasks. After the breakdown of the completion of three 1135.6, the Navy wanted to get at least something for the DMZ. So the idea of ​​a patrol ship came up. Not from a good life .. I wanted fast, cheap and seafaring. And with autonomy per month. To do this, I had to abandon the full armament. The flag shows pirates chasing. And thanks for that. A modularity ... 4 caliber instead of a helicopter or shell in a container, which are not yet there. And the logistics of storage and use of this economy is very controversial. Choosing either a helicopter or an air defense or a plane or 4 PKR is strange.
We get a ship with very narrow tasks, not capable of fighting in principle. Unlike 1135.6 or comparable to it in terms of displacement of guards.
By the way, in the original configuration of the patrol ships there was a calm air missile system, but they abandoned it. Very sorry.
Output. The patrol ship as a class is needed primarily by the FSB. For the Navy, it is not so much a toilet. He needs full-fledged TFR with air defense and plots. nevertheless, they plan to build another 6-9 ships of the "Black Sea" series. But here there is already enough energy and money ...

[Marconi41]

Quote: ultra

What's better? Because 8 calibers from each ship can bullet across Europe?

Why actually in Europe? There are gauges in the form of anti-ship missiles. You can charge both these and these. So these RTOs can be used for their intended purpose.

[Corn]

Build what they can build.

Good corvettes with frigates can also be built, but instead material and financial resources go to deliberately useless ships. Is it worth it to rejoice? I do not even know.

In other words, it is better to have 10 RTOs in the fleet than 4 frigates, but on slipways.

Quantity does not always translate into quality. 10 defenseless and essentially useless RTOs are unlikely to somehow raise the combat potential of the fleet in modern realities, at the same time 4 frigates, this is already a good help in ensuring the country's security and interests at sea.

[Bronis]

Yes, but on condition that these frigates will be built, and not stuck due to lack of engines, problems with Redoubt and other Polimy. Not all problems can be solved by simply rolling in money. And here it is important to understand what was the first. Initially, resources were directed to frigates and corvettes. The result we know ... MRK are not a substitute for destroyers and frigates. But priority is given to them. Just look at how many guardians, Gorshkovs and ash trees are being built. There are a lot of them on the slipways. Yes they build for a long time. A very long time

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Bronis

Build what they can build. There is more sense from the at least poorly built MRCs than from ships of greater displacement, but, for various reasons, not included in the fleet for 8-10 years.

Ahem ... and if you look at the shipbuilding program from the point of view of the fleet's main task - to ensure the use of SSBNs?
Why build RTOs whose functions are duplicated by ground-based CRBD launchers, at the very time when the fleet has nothing to provide anti-aircraft defense not only in position areas, but already at the exit from the SSBN bases? Wouldn't it be more reasonable to adjust the program before exiting the INF Treaty and focus not on MRCs, but on the IPC or PLO corvettes?

[Bronis]

The Buyans were exactly the way to get around the INF. Then the MRK program was adjusted in favor of Karakurt. Why? To give a crutch to the fleet. For there are not enough modern carriers of anti-ship missiles (disruption of both series of frigates), and coastal complexes are limited in their applicability.

Correct the program for RTOs late. everything is under construction. And the fleet needs them, because must change the old RTOs.
Which does not negate the need for plos. It seems that PLO corvettes can be created on the basis of patrol ships. Of course, not within the framework of the notorious modularity, but when finalizing the project. And this program can and should be adjusted. The question is money and timing.
Why before the question wasn’t bothered, it’s impossible to understand. More precisely, you can ... confusion at the top and in the concept of fleet development, a mess in the USC and the struggle of influence groups. At the beginning of the 2000's, they had high hopes for the Guardians. But it didn’t. In fact, in recent years, 15 has been constantly trying to patch up old plans that failed to be implemented. Three patches are made .. Alas. There is no news on the new IPC. Although even Soviet experience shows that in 500 tons they can be shoved. Not like in 800-900 ... They will upgrade the BOD. What will come of it with 30 summer ships time will tell

[Snusmumrik]

The INF Treaty has died - long live the INF Treaty! As everyone left it, they will come back. But the boats will remain.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: ultra

They are the place where they were originally intended, this is the Caspian and all

you have all mixed up ... for the Caspian designed and built - Buyan-M ..... and Karakurt just with real seaworthiness !!

[lucul]

RTO "Sovetsk" project 22800 Karakurt became part of the Baltic Fleet

Pity you western languages)))
They pronounce the word OwlTSK - it’s immediately a language break))) Three consonants in a row)))

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: lucul

Pity you western languages)))
They say the word Sovetsk - it’s to immediately break the language))) Three consonants in a row)))

Let them suffer ... There is nothing to regret them. They have at least once regretted us ... So, from the kindness of the soul .. purely out of kindness without any benefit for yourself .. I only doubt that in Western languages ​​there is a concept, out of kindness of soul to regret ..

[Nizhlogger]

They will say "Sovetsk". Only two consonants.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: lucul

They say the word Sovetsk - it’s to immediately break the language))) Three consonants in a row)))

do you know a word of 9 letters and only one vowel? ..... our own))

[Pavel57]

As a matter of fact, a floating battery, an option may arise to use it as an MRC against ships or as a PLO ship.

[donavi49]

Like a floating battery on 8 KR - yes.
As MRCs on ships - well, in general, yes.
As a PLO, it is extremely doubtful. He himself is completely deaf. It can strike with a torpedo, but according to an external command center. And if there is a central bank, then why is this RTO necessary? IL-38 / Ka27PL / Albatross himself can hit. Faster and more reliable.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: donavi49

As a PLO, it is extremely doubtful.

But they can change its armament and make not shock, but PLO-PVO? .... or just PLO ... what do you think?

[donavi49]

So it’s not the armament, but the fact that he is deaf. It is extremely doubtful to put a teeper - station. There is no bulba. BUGAS only, but most likely there is no place for it either, and there is little sense from BUGAS only.

As PLO will not work out yet because of power. There is a multi-cylinder monster from the Star. There, a roaring cow from the DPRK 613 project will fly by on cavitation, and even they will not hear anything with the installed GAS . Today, the capabilities of PLO = electric ship on 8-10 nodes. To shorten there another electric ship - you have to do the ship again.

Air defense is primarily a detection system. On such a small ship, a large radar can not be shoved. Well, rather, there are all sorts of perverts, for example, Australians, but this is the 3600 ship and modernized the frigate, the new radar, just for the sake of testing.

Or Sigmochka, but again they have the most advanced marine radars in Europe (thanks to Thales) + this option remained the offer until no one bought it.

Under the existing opportunities, there is no point in putting Redoubt. Only self-defense air defense systems. And it makes sense to put, say, 8-12 Redoubt cells on the ship, to the detriment of everything else (throw UKKS for example)?

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: donavi49

As PLO will not work out yet because of power. There is a multi-cylinder monster from the Star. There, a roaring cow from the DPRK 613 project will fly by on cavitation, and even they will not hear anything with the installed GAS

thanks .... everything became clear))

[Oquzyurd]

"project 22800 Karakurt" Who can say what the name Karakurt means?

[dvina71]

Karakurt is such a spider .. small, but very dangerous.

[maximum 8]

Karakurt is a kind of spiders from the genus of black widows. Karakurt - This is the name of one of the most poisonous spiders in translation from Kazakh means "black death". Krylov's etymological dictionary. Karakurt - (Latrodectus tredecimguttatus; Turkic "kara" black + "kurt" insect) is a kind of poisonous spiders.

[Oquzyurd]

Some languages ​​are Kara-black, Kurt-Wolf. Maybe Karakurt-Black Wolf, means.

[maximum 8]

Kurt Volker. Volk Volkovich?

[Oquzyurd]

No, he's just Kurt Walker)

[Avior]

from Turk. karakurt, letters. Black insect

[ankir13]

Peter 1, too, began with a funny flotilla and regiments, the main thing now is that the sailors shouldn’t be let down .... and there will be destroyers with cruisers, and new aircraft carriers, and will be ...

[Vadim T.]

Good news. The good news is that the number of shipyards is also increasing. Ships are already being built not only in Zelenodolsk, but also in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, Vladivostok, Kerch and Feodosia. Hopefully this list will be continued.

[Sergey Pavlov]

There is no sense in the ships of this project after the cancellation of the operation of the well-known contract. Let the PLO corvette stir up on the basis of this corps, otherwise soon there will be nothing to go into service at BMZ ..

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Sergey Pavlov

Let the PLO corvette stir up on the basis of this corps, otherwise soon there will be nothing to go into service at BMZ ..

And "soon" is really soon. For the naval "Albatrosses", with a few exceptions, still remember Gorbachev (and some also remember "dear Leonid Ilyich").

[internal enemy]

Why build these ships at all, let them all for social expenses and strategic nuclear forces

[Alexy]

It is a pity that they renamed. There will be no more bad weather divisions (((

[Sapsan136]

Not a big bird, but the Russian fleet is also useful ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

MRK pr.22800 "Karakurt" is essentially a marine launcher for Calibers, our economical answer to Arleigh Burkes and Ticonderogs to circumvent the INF Treaty.

Our RTOs do not need to go across the ocean, they can shoot directly from the pier at airfields, warehouses with equipment, weapons and fuel and lubricants, bridges, large railway junctions and pipelines located in NATO countries in Europe. in case of aggression.

In general, in addition to air defense, they do not need anything else to protect against cruise missiles.

Everything would be fine, only the United States withdrew from the INF Treaty and now such ships are not relevant, MRK pr. 22800 "Karakurt" costs under 150 million dollars (count half of the corvette 20380).

A series of 18 RTOs should be completed, let our Karakurt with Calibers stand on the Black Sea and in the Baltic, and the United States will start deploying cruise missiles in Europe with a range of more than 500 km, it will be necessary to build Iskander with Caliber.

[Bronis]

In general, Iskander has his own "Caliber" - p-500. Actually, he became the formal reason for the rejection of the INF

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

In general, Iskander has his own "Caliber" - p-500. Actually, he became the formal reason for the rejection of the INF

Iskander has no Caliber of its own, all the missiles that are now on Iskander do not exceed 500 km in flight range.

[Bronis]

Of course, do not exceed). only the R-500 is a development of the S-10 "Granat" with a range of more than 1500 km. Accordingly, in order to comply with the INF Treaty, the range was limited, but nothing prevents the return of the fuel back, increasing the range. And this is if we take the word of the officials. And the Iskanders have "lengthened" by half a meter recently. Why would it be ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

In your 50 cm to the length of the rocket increase its range from 480 to 1500 km?

[Bronis]

As part of range enhancement measures - quite a bit. For example, the starting booster can be placed larger or the rocket itself can be lengthened. In general, the standard procedure for increasing the range is fuel instead of part of the warhead. Either there is initially less fuel than can be accommodated. According to this principle, export modifications of missiles are created. The same "Caliber" in export modification - 300 km, for the Russian Navy - more than 1500 km.

[petrol cutter]

The so-called * Kozelsk * was launched in the NW * Sea * last week. Although the name * Storm * proudly flaunts on it no matter what. I have already reported on this.
* Okhotsk * presumably the numbers of the twenty-sixth will be rolled out, thrown off.
By * Whirlwind * I do not yet have accurate information.

[garri-lin]

The names are a pity. Old menacing. Typhoon, Storm. And now of the terrible only Sovetsk and Mytishchi.