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Media: India greatly regretted buying a Russian aircraft carrier

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Like everyone, India wants the best technology that can afford. For various reasons, it excludes the purchase of American and European products, which is in the hands of Russia. Over the past half century, India regularly buys Russian weapon, but the implementation of contracts is associated with delays and cost overruns.




Most famous history this is the purchase of the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier. At the beginning of the two thousandths, the Indian fleet wished to buy an aircraft carrier - and this began a long and unpleasant story.

The Soviet aircraft carrier “Baku” was commissioned in 1988. It was the only ship of the 1143.4 ave. He carried Granit rockets, artillery, and dozens of aircraft. After the collapse of the USSR, independent Russia renamed the ship Admiral Gorshkov. At the very beginning of 1992, an accident occurred on the steam line, and the ship had to be put in reserve.

At the beginning of the two thousandths in New Delhi, they thought about buying an aircraft carrier. The only available Viraat ship should have been decommissioned a few years later, and there was no replacement for it. In 2004, a Russian-Indian contract appeared. According to him, the “Admiral Gorshkov” was transferred free of charge to the Indian Navy, but before that Russia had to carry out modernization worth 974 million dollars.

Russia rebuilt the ship with a corner deck, adding a bow diving board. Installed new boilers, new electronics, equipment for working with aviation etc. 2700 cabins and rooms were renovated. The ship with the new name "Vikramaditya" now could carry 24 MiG-29K fighters and 10 Ka-brand helicopters.

Problems began in 2007. A year later, the transfer of the aircraft carrier to the customer was expected, but the Sevmash plant did not fit into these deadlines. Worse, the cost of work rose to 2,9 billion dollars, and the customer was offered to pay extra. In case of failure, the Russian Ministry of Defense threatened to take the ship to itself, which did not suit India, which had already paid 974 million. By this time approx. 50% of works.

In July 2009, Russian President D. Medvedev arrived at Sevmash. He criticized the course of modernization and demanded to complete the work as soon as possible, and then transfer the aircraft carrier to Indian partners. The following year, India agreed to increase the project budget to 2,2 billion dollars, and work began with renewed vigor.

In August 2012, the Vikramaditya was put to the test, and in November 2013, it entered the Indian Navy. Surprisingly, even after all the unpleasant events, India signed a contract with Sevmash to service the aircraft carrier for 20 years. In addition, the plant was ordered the necessary spare parts and other equipment.

Operating an aircraft carrier, India has already faced serious problems. In 2012, during the transition from Russia to India, one of eight boilers broke down. The Russian side called the cause of the accident low-quality refractory brick made in China. China, in turn, has denied the fact of the supply of bricks for the Russian-Indian project.

Arms problems remain. Air defense of the ship is provided only by launching devices of false targets, capable of distracting anti-ship missiles. Short-range firepower is simply not available. India is able to equip Vikramaditya with its own copies of AK-630 installations, but this will happen no earlier than in a few years. Until then, the ship will have to rely on anti-aircraft weapons of other combat units - such as the latest destroyer Kolkata.

After the not very successful modernization of Admiral Gorshkov, the Sevmash plant shows strange optimism. He is going to build new aircraft carriers, including for third countries. A possible buyer of such a ship is already called Brazil.

On the VO side, we note that the construction of the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier was indeed long and difficult. Due to the extremely poor condition of Admiral Gorshkov, most of the structures had to be rebuilt and saturated with new equipment. This is what led to the delay of work and the increase in cost.

The problem was the refinement of the original project, related to the wishes of the customer and the specifics of production. So, the unfortunate brick on the boilers appeared due to the Indians' refusal to install asbestos insulation. There have been problems with imported components. The fact that earlier Sevmash did not deal with the topic of aircraft carriers had a great influence on the work. All such ships for the USSR Navy were built in Nikolaev.

As for complaints, the Indian military is known for its stories of poor-quality imported equipment. Often, such criticism turns out to be true, but pretty exaggerated.
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  1. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 12 October 2019 05: 26
    +21
    Problems started in 2007. A year later, the transfer of the aircraft carrier to the customer was expected, but the Sevmash plant did not fit into these deadlines. Worse, the cost of work rose to $ 2,9 billion, and the customer was offered to pay extra. In the event of a refusal, the Russian Ministry of Defense threatened to take the ship to itself, which did not suit India, which had already paid 974 million. By this time approx. 50% of the work.

    Problems (in Russia) began in 1985 ... feel
    As many as I remember of all these restructuring innovations - all with problems. And in 2008, a record $ 133 billion was withdrawn from Russia ... fellow
    With such an attitude towards the man of work, Russia will soon turn into a country of effective managers ...
    As for complaints, the Indian military is known for its stories of poor-quality imported equipment. Often, such criticism turns out to be true, but pretty exaggerated.

    With regard to complaints "about" and "about", it is time to involve collectors from mini-financial offices. They quickly deal with complaints ...
    hi
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 12 October 2019 06: 08
      +10
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Problems (in Russia) began in the year 1985

      Earlier, a little earlier. From articles on what to do for "business" people who have nothing to invest in and whether there is a mafia or not.
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 12 October 2019 11: 44
        +21
        Quote: Balu
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Problems (in Russia) began in the year 1985

        Earlier, a little earlier. From articles on what to do for "business" people who have nothing to invest in and whether there is a mafia or not.

        No, even earlier, when Khrushchev came to power and buried the idea of ​​Russian communism and he also destroyed the world socialist system (ideological conflict with China).
        1. your1970
          your1970 12 October 2019 15: 17
          +2
          Quote: Proxima
          Quote: Balu
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Problems (in Russia) began in the year 1985

          Earlier, a little earlier. From articles on what to do for "business" people who have nothing to invest in and whether there is a mafia or not.

          No, even earlier, when Khrushchev came to power and buried the idea of ​​Russian communism and he also destroyed the world socialist system (ideological conflict with China).

          That is, by your logic, it turns out that there wasn’t even a hint of building communism - since everything about everything was just, just 30 years? Strong...
          1. Shuttle
            Shuttle 12 October 2019 17: 57
            +9
            Quote: your1970
            Quote: Proxima
            Quote: Balu
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Problems (in Russia) began in the year 1985

            Earlier, a little earlier. From articles on what to do for "business" people who have nothing to invest in and whether there is a mafia or not.

            No, even earlier, when Khrushchev came to power and buried the idea of ​​Russian communism and he also destroyed the world socialist system (ideological conflict with China).

            That is, by your logic, it turns out that there wasn’t even a hint of building communism - since everything about everything was just, just 30 years? Strong...

            There was a hint. But after the proclamation of the building of the country of "developed socialism" and the "final victory of the proletariat," the building of communism really began to decline until it did not come to naught at all. But a holy place is never empty. If the proletariat "won", then it no longer fights. Therefore, even a very weak opponent can defeat him. So he was defeated by the party nomenklatura, which became bourgeois de facto consolidated its position de jure by destroying the USSR. Or do you really think that Gorby was going to build a communist society of enlightened and free workers? No. And Khrushch was not going to. More precisely, he was so uneducated philosophically, unlike Dzhugashvili and Ulyanov, that he could not even understand this. Under him, by the way, the study of Hegel's Science of Logic was excluded from scientific communism. And without it, not only Marx's Capital is completely impossible to understand, but in general it is difficult to understand the present moment.
            1. Rabioso
              Rabioso 12 October 2019 21: 53
              +5
              The article was about the ship and not the construction of communism. Where did you go?
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 12 October 2019 22: 37
                +5
                It led to the essence, everything else grew out of it.
            2. Rimlianin
              Rimlianin 13 October 2019 03: 59
              -1
              The struggle of the classes, the bourgeoisie, communism ... Russia has been brainwashed for three quarters of a century with this mental shit, produced by the German Slavophobes Marx and Engels, put millions of Russian lives under this business ... maybe enough? Is it impossible to develop without violence, to build a social state for the benefit of all its strata: workers and employees, and entrepreneurs and peasants? It is clear that the current state of affairs is unimportant to say the least in this regard, but there is always something to strive for. Without violence and blood.
              1. nickname7
                nickname7 13 October 2019 07: 18
                +6
                . powdered brains with this mental shit produced by German Slavophobes Marx and Engels

                Marx studied the realities of then life, then Europe was shaken by continuous strikes, i.e. there were some reasons for striking.

                . to build a social state for the benefit of all its strata: workers and employees, and entrepreneurs and peasants?

                For the oligarch, the wage and social worker is a loss, and the capitalist seeks to reduce losses. In the states of 1900, the owner hired the Pinkerton agency, to suppress the demands of the workers, they were fired, planted, set the bandits up. The capitalists were the first to use violence.
                . Is it impossible to develop without violence

                Go to the employer, try to ask to improve your conditions, you will be sent away, like this, your efforts will ingloriously end, and the "yellow vests" act differently.
              2. The comment was deleted.
            3. My doctor
              My doctor 13 October 2019 17: 26
              0
              Quote: Shuttle
              And without it, not only Marx's Capital is completely impossible to understand, but in general it is difficult to understand the present moment.

              Refine the translation of "Capital" Marx. The study of Marx in the original was prohibited. In other later writings, Marx rethought the role of capitalism.
            4. 3danimal
              3danimal 23 October 2019 19: 08
              +1
              What ... compote. Can you at least give an exact definition of "communism"?
          2. Shteffan
            Shteffan 13 October 2019 12: 22
            -2
            The construction of communism was curtailed with the folding of purges and executions of party nomenclature.
            1. My doctor
              My doctor 13 October 2019 17: 38
              0
              The purges and executions are in Machiavellian style. After the French Revolution, Robespierre also purged and beheaded his associates, until he himself was executed by cowards and scoundrels who replaced ideological fighters. So after Stalin, Khrushchev and the Andropovs remained.
              1. Shteffan
                Shteffan 14 October 2019 09: 03
                -3
                For Stalin it was precisely the purges of people who planted and shot for the CASE, and the French revolutionaries cut each other not for deeds, but for words and intentions alone. There is a significant difference.
                1. NordOst16
                  NordOst16 15 October 2019 14: 43
                  +3
                  So much for the CASE that the working staff in sharashka from prisoners recruited. And at the beginning of the war, nations began to let out enemies.
                  And how many thieves of national property caught by decree of 7.8.1932/XNUMX/XNUMX were released.
                  These purges also killed the future of the USSR, for there remained only those who could only use up the fifth point and fear for their own skin.
            2. 3danimal
              3danimal 23 October 2019 19: 11
              0
              On espionage charges. It’s just awful how many spies we had at the top) Beria, too, turned out to be a spy when he needed to be shot.
        2. Potato
          Potato 13 October 2019 16: 42
          +1
          No, much earlier, when the Jews crucified our Christ, with the tacit consent of one Roman procurator ...
        3. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 13 October 2019 21: 35
          0
          Not only with China. With all countries and international organizations whose leadership respected Stalin and his ideas ...
        4. Captain Nemo
          Captain Nemo 16 October 2019 22: 58
          +1
          During the war, the very color of the Russians was knocked out at the front line. Rear rats began to seize power.
      2. ser56
        ser56 12 October 2019 14: 49
        -6
        Quote: Balu
        Earlier, a little earlier.

        exactly, in 1917 ... hi
      3. Mestny
        Mestny 12 October 2019 16: 27
        -14
        Quote: Balu
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Problems (in Russia) began in the year 1985

        Earlier, a little earlier. From articles on what to do for "business" people who have nothing to invest in and whether there is a mafia or not.

        Yes, a little earlier. In October 1917.
        1. victor50
          victor50 13 October 2019 10: 26
          +4
          Quote: Mestny
          In October 1917.

          Well yes! There was abundance, equality, fraternity and other grace. And he took it and stepped on! lol And before that - in February 17 - there were mass demonstrations, rallies and other gatherings in support of the existing splendor! laughing
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 23 October 2019 19: 17
            0
            In February - a bloodless (by the standards of the time) change of power, and in October - its armed seizure, with the dispersal of the constituent assembly by the establishment of a dictatorship. Proletariat) (Lenin, Trotsky - typical proletarians).
            The consequence of which was the Civil War.
            It's funny, but Kerensky himself prevented one of the generals from coming to Petrograd in the summer of the 17th and arresting the entire leadership of the Bolsheviks.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 12 October 2019 09: 38
      -3
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Problems (in Russia) began in 1985 ...
      As many as I remember of all these restructuring innovations - all with problems.

      So this ship launched in 1982 Mr. And it was made like this:
      because of extremely poor condition "Admiral Gorshkov" more part of the structures rebuild
      Quote: ROSS 42
      With such an attitude towards the man of work, Russia will soon turn into a country of effective managers ...

      No, effective managers have worked in the face before: they led the country to a disaster of 91 g.
      1. Revival
        Revival 12 October 2019 17: 51
        0
        So no one argues, quality development ended in 1953
    3. RVAPatriot
      RVAPatriot 12 October 2019 22: 54
      +1
      Here the question is for the whole system ... For now the main thing is not quality, but to sell ... And this, unfortunately, is the main trouble among the effective ones! IMHO
    4. Ren
      Ren 14 October 2019 10: 14
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Problems (in Russia) began in 1985 ...

      Problems in Russia began to arise in 1956 (after the 20th congress) hi
    5. Son of sorts
      Son of sorts 2 November 2019 22: 43
      0
      As they were withdrawn, they returned. It is necessary to teach eclonomics, and not to throw numbers, not understanding the essence. Withdrew investments in stocks. Investments in the real sector have not gone anywhere. Everything both ran away and ran back. Yes, the Central Bank of Russia spent 86 mln. dollars to support our export enterprises, but as I spent it, I returned it a hundredfold in 2008. The Stabilization Fund was equal to $ 420mln, and now it’s already small and it will be $ 500mln. So that you understand 8 800 tons, which is in the US RFU, they cost $ 367mln. We can buy all the gold in the United States and there will still be $ 130 billion.
  2. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 12 October 2019 06: 05
    +35
    Media: India greatly regretted buying a Russian aircraft carrier

    I did not see in the text that India regretted. Something is broken, something is understaffed. Will be repaired; will be understaffed. But there is no information in the text of this article that India is ready to cut it or merge it.

    As for complaints, the Indian military is known for its stories of poor-quality imported equipment. Often such criticism turns out to be true

    Normally do, it will be normal. I do not see the same problems.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 12 October 2019 09: 42
      +21
      Quote: MainBeam
      I did not see in the text that India regretted. Something is broken, something is understaffed.

      Exactly.
      This passage is also strange in the article:
      Arms problems remain. Air defense of the ship is provided only by launching devices of false targets, capable of distracting anti-ship missiles. Short-range firepower is simply not available.

      The ship was rebuilt according to the ORDER of India: what it ordered was DELIVERED.
      1. Tcheluskin
        Tcheluskin 13 October 2019 17: 15
        +2
        Quote: Olgovich
        This passage is also strange in the article:
        Arms problems remain. Air defense of the ship is provided only by launching devices of false targets, capable of distracting anti-ship missiles. Short-range firepower is simply not available.

        It’s just that the author of the cited article is slow-witted or incompetent.
        At Vikramaditya, a pair of AK-630 rapid-firing cannons and Barak-1 short-range air defense systems with OLS and fire control radars have long been standing.
        Not a lot, of course, but not at all the same as "simply absent."



    2. bayard
      bayard 12 October 2019 13: 37
      +13
      Quote: MainBeam
      I did not see in the text that India regretted.

      I see that carballet with not only a price increase (which was quite natural and justified), but also with a threat yes The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to keep it at home, aimed precisely at the fact that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation REALLY wanted to keep it (the aircraft carrier) and artificially created conditions for the refusal of the Indian side (delay in terms, lack of components, failures at stages ... Chinese brick finally) ... But ... President Medvedev did not leave his 4 years in vain - he had time to shoot everywhere. They gave the aircraft carrier, although it was already "fat zero" and the beginning of the tenths - the state was swollen with petrodollars and could afford to leave one more aircraft carrier-shift, capable of replacing each other to serve on the front lines of the PLO and provide air defense for the detachment of forces.
      Even without being initiated into these precepts and secret desires, at that time I wholeheartedly wished that the Indians abandoned it and the ship remained in Russia ... It did not grow together.
      ... liberals do not eat overseas bread for nothing ...
      1. your1970
        your1970 12 October 2019 15: 22
        -4
        Quote: bayard
        period with all my heart I wanted the Indians to abandon it and the ship stayed in Russia ... It did not grow together.

        In the form in which it was transmitted? In a state - God forbid that we do not need to? Bang another billion bucks, so that he can be brought into at least a little combat-ready state ????

        Better liberals than such "well-wishers" of the country ....
        1. bayard
          bayard 12 October 2019 15: 37
          +12
          Vicramadity was given to the Indians as they had ordered. Install ZRAK and no problem.
          For the Russian Navy, the value of such ships in PLO (and AWACS) helicopters and the air wing of MiG-29K fighters to provide air defense and dispersal of enemy aircraft submarines over the combat deployment areas of our SSBNs. Base aviation is of little use in such matters - it takes too long to respond to a threat.
          Shock functions were not prescribed to him.
          Had the Navy now two such ships (along with Kuznetsov), we would not have been left without reliable air cover in the deployment areas.
          When the country was swollen from petrodollars, two billion for a practically finished ship of this class, the price is quite reasonable.

          However, if for you
          Quote: your1970
          Liberals are better

          I have nothing more to add.
          1. your1970
            your1970 12 October 2019 16: 36
            0
            Reasonable price for a trough without weapons and standing for 20 years without movement ?????? reasonable price for a ship built for a completely different country (USSR), fleet and tasks ??? Do you understand that this galosh was not combat ready? That 2 billion thrown there - this is not the end of the spending, but the very beginning? That the architecture of the ship was calculated even for equipment operating on radio tubes ??
            What is now being pushed back that Mistral is already outdated like ships, and you regret the illiquid times of Brezhnev ....
            And yes, for a country it’s better to see a liberal from afar, than such a supporter and advocate for junk, but hidden
            We need to build new ships, but not to revive the scrap
            1. bayard
              bayard 12 October 2019 19: 07
              +11
              Quote: your1970
              Reasonable price for a trough without weapons and standing for 20 years without movement ?????? reasonable price for a ship built for a completely different country (USSR), fleet and tasks ???

              Again . The ship was put into service in 1988. And in the early 90s, due to a "rupture of the steam line", it was put into reserve. Just a steam line. But there was no more money for repairs. It stood in reserve for ten years and now the Indians are buying it for further modernization. So ?
              And from that moment it is under repair. So ?
              With the restructuring of the deck, the device of the springboard, the installation of aerofinisher, with the reconstruction of all rooms and cabins, the RERE is updated ...
              His cars (turbines) passed only a few years.
              And is it your old junk?
              After overhaul and modernization?
              Yes, it's almost a new ship.
              Quote: your1970
              Do you understand that this galosh was not combat ready?

              During sludge in reserve and during modernization - yes.
              Before and after - not at all.
              Quote: your1970
              What 2 billion thrown there - this is not the end of the spending, but the very beginning?

              Well, 2,2 billion dollars. - This is a price for the Indians, not without state interest. But even 2 billion for the aircraft carrier PLO and air defense is quite a normal price. Otherwise, the Indians would have definitely refused.
              But they FATHER.
              And now they are happy that they have it. Whatever they and our journalists would write for us.
              Quote: your1970
              that the architecture of the ship was calculated even for equipment operating on radio tubes ??

              So what ?
              As a reserve officer, I am a specialist in radar, I see nothing flawed in this. Well, there will be some free space after the modernization of the RLC (most likely not), so what?

              Quote: your1970
              What is being pulled in now, that the Mistral is outdated like ships, and you regret the illiquid times

              What are the comparisons of a combat aircraft carrier with a full fighter aircraft wing and a landing dock ship with a flight deck for turntables? Talk about mid-to-late zero events. Then it was a completely fresh and modern ship - an aircraft carrier air defense / submarine of medium displacement.
              Quote: your1970
              We need to build new ships, but not to revive the scrap

              To you?
              For whom is this ?
              To you personally?
              Or the state \ MO?
              So there, without yours and without my advice, they know what they need.
              That's just not all possible.
              And especially aircraft carriers.
              It can’t.
              Till .
              But still.
              And then we would bring the Indians to failure, as early as 8 years, as if they had a second aircraft carrier.
              A very (!) Needed fleet.
              In much better technical condition than Kuznetsov.
              And "Kuznetsov" would have been capitalized long ago if he had a replacement for his services.
              But you, as I see, the arguments will not get through. After all, for you:
              Quote: your1970
              And yes, a liberal is better for a country

              And I do not advocate rubbish, but for a balanced rearmament of the Army and Navy. Including for the construction of a series of aircraft carriers air defense / submarine medium displacement (up to 50 thousand tons) in gas turbines. The price of which will be just about 1,5 - 2 billion dollars. a piece .
            2. mmaxx
              mmaxx 13 October 2019 05: 47
              -6
              We have many lovers of old trash. Everything in the house. And every centenary piece of iron is spared. Well, that’s good. And then nedomerk, from which sense zero.
              Did, sold, let others use and whine. Do not like it, let them build their own or order from someone.
          2. victor50
            victor50 13 October 2019 10: 33
            +2
            Quote: bayard
            Vicramadity was given to the Indians as they had ordered. Install ZRAK and no problem

            He worked at a factory that had something to do with the construction of Vikramaditya. The general conclusion, according to those who knew the situation: the claims of the Indians were, to put it mildly, justified. And to the state, and to the construction, and to its terms, and on financial matters. Then they said that this would come back to us - the Indians will refuse any of our military equipment or, at least, it will be advancing into their market with complications. Is this not observable?
            1. bayard
              bayard 13 October 2019 12: 08
              +2
              Of course, the pace of modernization work in the "north" is not encouraging here: "Vikramaditya", "Ustinov", "Nakhimov" are tormenting ... what to do - personnel and equipment decide everything (with sufficient funding), but with personnel, yes and the equipment there was ... not very good. And the task was not on the profile - large surface ships were not built there for a long time.
              They called me there ... but I already had something to do.
              And the Indians gladly continue to buy from us the Su-30, MiG-29, frigates (4 more to the previous 6), S-400 and much more.
              But they have a choice and they choose
        2. Revival
          Revival 12 October 2019 17: 54
          +1
          Well, let’s say the real liberals never smelled
      2. Rabioso
        Rabioso 12 October 2019 21: 56
        0
        That is, you would like to give the ship for the modernization of which you paid? Cool . Just do not remind me that he was supposedly offered them for free.
  3. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 12 October 2019 06: 06
    +3
    You cannot update an old thing so that it becomes just like new.
  4. Tsoy
    Tsoy 12 October 2019 06: 10
    +12
    For various reasons, it excludes the purchase of American and European products, which is in the hands of Russia.


    This ... just do not say to the author of the article that India buys planes and helicopters both from the USA and Europe represented by France. At the very beginning of the article it is already clear that this is another informational garbage.
  5. Kamikaze19
    Kamikaze19 12 October 2019 06: 19
    +14
    For 2.2 lard bought an aircraft carrier with an air wing and something else is not happy? Let others seek
  6. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 12 October 2019 06: 31
    -17
    Aircraft carrier on fuel oil is nonsense.
    Really - because of this, the archi ship is unsuccessful.
    1. restless
      restless 12 October 2019 09: 19
      +14
      Fuel oil is almost diesel fuel, it’s only 100 times cheaper, they are used on low-speed marine diesels, they only heat it and feed it to the nozzles, but you can’t imagine a better fuel for boilers if there is no fuel oil other than solid fuel. Where are the cons because of fuel oil ???
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 12 October 2019 11: 04
        +1
        Quote: restless
        Fuel oil is almost diesel fuel, it’s only 100 times cheaper, they are used on low-speed marine diesels, they only heat it and feed it to the nozzles, but you can’t imagine a better fuel for boilers if there is no fuel oil other than solid fuel. Where are the cons because of fuel oil ???

        Man, have you been to the boiler room at least once? Fuel oil or coal boiler in comparison with gas or diesel fuel - one big hemorrhoids. Fuel oil has a high viscosity, so it must be heated. If there is no duct in the pipe, disassembly may be required. This procedure is very funny and very dirty. For the sake of laughter, try to drop a little fuel oil on your light pants and then wash it off. In addition, in the case of low-quality fuel oil, you can quickly kill the boiler. A fun operation to clean the nozzles will be something like morning coffee for you.
        Regarding the coal boiler, it's even more fun there.
        1. ser56
          ser56 12 October 2019 14: 51
          +6
          Quote: Winnie76
          Fuel oil or coal boiler in comparison with gas or diesel fuel - one large hemorrhoid

          such as fuel oil in the fleet for more than 100 years ... request
      2. Valery Valery
        Valery Valery 13 October 2019 14: 39
        +2
        You're not right. I also served on destroyers and brands Kuznetsov - it was a permanent, permanent repair and restoration of technical readiness. But the BPC run into the sea like bicycles ...
    2. cormorant
      cormorant 12 October 2019 13: 23
      +3
      And why do not like fuel oil? By far the most common naval fuel.
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 13 October 2019 00: 13
        0
        Quote: cormorant
        And why do not like fuel oil? By far the most common naval fuel.

        In St. Petersburg, 90 percent of all boiler houses are converted to gas, in extreme cases diesel fuel. Coal and fuel oil remained in bear corners, where it is too expensive to pull a gas pipeline or for example on railway. It’s easier to fit the tank. After any of the dirtiest gas boiler houses, getting into coal or fuel oil as going to hell. Centimeter layers of dust and dirt form in a matter of months
      2. Valery Valery
        Valery Valery 13 October 2019 14: 41
        +1
        Fuel oil remained only on the destroyers and on Kuznetsov. There are no new fuel oil ships - and thank God!
  7. Ros 56
    Ros 56 12 October 2019 06: 31
    -1
    And who is the author of this opus, which casts a shadow on the wattle fence? It seems that either the striped or their mongrel Sumerians had a hand in it.
  8. syndicalist
    syndicalist 12 October 2019 06: 42
    +2
    I apologize for ignorance, but could anyone explain what kind of brick boilers are on the ship?
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 12 October 2019 06: 56
      +7
      Quote: syndicalist
      then for the boilers made of bricks on the ship

      Of the bricks, not the boilers themselves, but the thermal insulation.
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 12 October 2019 07: 45
      +2
      Quote: syndicalist
      I apologize for ignorance
      What does ignorance have to do with it?
      Quote: in the article
      So, the unfortunate brick on the boilers appeared due to the Indians' refusal to install asbestos insulation.
    3. dvina71
      dvina71 12 October 2019 08: 24
      +15
      Quote: syndicalist
      I apologize for ignorance, but could anyone explain what kind of brick boilers are on the ship?

      Boilers from the inside are covered with refractory bricks.
      The whole story is connected with Chinese brick. Hindus wanted a brick without asbestos, in Russia they don’t. Then they bought affordable .. it turned out to be Chinese. Correspondingly, this brick swam in tests .. they dragged the Avik back in tow .. Barely one boiler worked ..
      After that they overlaid already with Russian brick .. and everything settled down. There is an error in the article .. After replacing the brick, there were no problems with the boilers. Hindus drive Vikramanditya in the tail and mane
  9. syndicalist
    syndicalist 12 October 2019 06: 42
    0
    I apologize for ignorance, but could anyone explain what kind of brick boilers are on the ship?
    1. Avior
      Avior 12 October 2019 07: 11
      +5
      The lining of the inside of the boiler is made of refractory brick
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 12 October 2019 08: 40
        0
        I got used to the fact that lining is not boilers, but fireboxes. If so, then it turns out that the aircraft carrier has external combustion engines. That is, by and large, this is a ship. I'm right?
        1. Avior
          Avior 12 October 2019 08: 47
          0
          A steamer is usually called a ship with a steam engine, and on the Kuznetsov turbine, as I understand it
          1. Fotoceva62
            Fotoceva62 12 October 2019 10: 24
            +1
            Sailors often call their ship or ship a steamer, regardless of the type of power plant. They say I'm going to the ship, etc.
          2. Victorio
            Victorio 12 October 2019 12: 12
            0
            Quote: Avior
            By steamboat usually called a ship with a steam engine, and on the Kuznetsov turbine, as I understand it

            ===
            ) tradition, and the gaseous mixture formed in the chamber after fuel combustion is also a kind of steam
          3. ccsr
            ccsr 13 October 2019 17: 42
            -1
            Quote: Avior
            A steamer is usually called a ship with a steam engine, and on the Kuznetsov turbine, as I understand it

            My brother spent forty years sailing in the seas and oceans, so his word “steamer” is associated with the production of steam, and not with what kind of machine or turbine costs. From him I only heard - "my steamer" or "when on the steamer ...", so the sailors know better what to call the ship.
        2. restless
          restless 12 October 2019 09: 23
          +2
          Do not confuse the steamship and motor ship, ICE - motor ship, steam boilers - steamer but they are almost gone, steam turbines are different and essentially a motor ship ...
          1. Avior
            Avior 12 October 2019 12: 57
            +2
            Boilers and turbines are.
            There is a piston steam engine on the steamer, and boilers for receiving steam
        3. ultra
          ultra 12 October 2019 10: 22
          +10
          Even a nuclear aircraft carrier is essentially a steamboat. laughing
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 12 October 2019 11: 44
            -1
            Quote: restless
            Do not confuse the ship and the ship, ICE - the ship, steam boilers - the ship but they are almost gone

            Quote: ultra
            Even a nuclear aircraft carrier is essentially a steamboat.

            Even an ordinary steam engine was originally a steamboat:
            Glinka - a fair song
            The smoke is boiling the steamer is smoking ...
            Motleyness, revelry, excitement,
            Expectation, impatience ...
            The whole people have fun and exult!
            The whole people have fun and exult!
            And faster, more will
            The train rushes into a clean field.


            hi
          2. bars1
            bars1 12 October 2019 19: 01
            +2
            And the nuclear submarine is also a steamboat
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 13 October 2019 17: 44
              -1
              Quote: bars1
              And the nuclear submarine is also a steamboat

              No, here you are wrong - they do not have a chimney, which means that the main difference between the steamer is not observed.
        4. Corn
          Corn 12 October 2019 11: 46
          0
          That is, by and large, this is a ship. I'm right?
          Yes you are right.
          The very presence of a boiler on a ship already indicates that it is a “steamboat”.
          1. Avior
            Avior 12 October 2019 13: 00
            0
            Steamer - a vessel equipped with a reciprocating steam engine or a steam turbine as a traction engine. A steamer driven by a steam turbine is called a turbo-pass, or, more precisely, a steam-turbo-pass - unlike a gas turbo-pass - a ship equipped with a gas turbine and which is a type of motor ship.

            But in general, it seems to me, usually the word steamer is used in the presence of a steam engine
            1. mmaxx
              mmaxx 13 October 2019 05: 51
              -1
              Already 10 times they wrote that the ship is a ship with a steam engine. And everything seems.
              1. Avior
                Avior 13 October 2019 06: 30
                0
                equipped with piston steam engine or steam turbine

                Take a closer look. By definition, not only with a steam engine, but also with a steam turbine
  10. D16
    D16 12 October 2019 06: 43
    +3
    India greatly regretted buying a Russian aircraft carrier

    It is interesting who would have built an almost new aircraft carrier for the money back in those years. And it would be nice to have official statements on this subject. The draft is designed for, whose opinion is formed by the headlines. Before the constructive finale, they usually do not finish.
    1. Avior
      Avior 12 October 2019 07: 10
      -14
      Nikolaev would have built. There was a ready-made Varyag building and the production of Ulyanovsk was started, and all Soviet developments and personnel for 1992 were still there ....
      But the Indians decided to favor Sevmash smile perhaps seduced that they are given a ship for free.
      1. D16
        D16 12 October 2019 07: 26
        +11
        The Chinese bought the Varyag corps in 98, and without the Union, nothing would have been built in Nikolaev. Do not hold Hindus for complete idiots. Sevmash was "blessed" in the two thousandth.
        1. Avior
          Avior 12 October 2019 07: 32
          +3
          This is understandable, at that moment Varyag was already in China for a penny, Ulyanovsk was cut for a long time, ordering a new one in Nikolaev was already pointless, it was already far from the factory that the USSR had, but the situation with aircraft carriers in India was not in the early 2000s it turned out that planning for such decisions should take place in advance, if they needed an aircraft carrier, they should have thought, especially since Gorshkov was not yet sold at that time, and the Varyag were just looking for a buyer.
          and when it was sold, then only the Indians in a few years, the Indians dawned, but we need an aircraft carrier!
          However, maybe the decision to buy Gorshkov was provoked by the fact that China bought the Varyag and began to finish building, maybe they just fell for free, who knows.
          But the fact that they didn’t post thoughtfully, besides everything else, in fact, having given birth to the structure of aircraft carriers in China, this doesn’t go to the grandmother ...
          1. D16
            D16 12 October 2019 07: 41
            +6
            Who had time, he ate laughing . The Chinese relied on their strength and completed the Liaoning. How much he cost them the story is silent. Hindus, like Ukrainians without Russia, would never be completed.
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 12 October 2019 08: 25
              +1
              Quote: D16
              Hindus, like Ukrainians without Russia, would never be completed.

              And in China it was not without ours ..
              1. D16
                D16 12 October 2019 09: 11
                +2
                I suspect that the Indians decided to participate in the sacking of the Soviet heritage looking at the example of the Chinese.
                1. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 12 October 2019 12: 03
                  -3
                  Quote: D16
                  I suspect that the Indians decided to participate in the sacking of the Soviet heritage looking at the example of the Chinese.

                  No need to suspect anything. When thieves killed statehood in a country called the USSR, looting took on catastrophic proportions. Precisely looting, and not any kind of "raid", not a derban and not privatization at all ... And the Indians bought everything that was sold to them, just like the Poles, Germans, Balts and other neighbors ... over the Russian people, who once built this, but gave up in front of the simplest nationally politicized mafia structure, which acted according to the written laws.
                  It is told in simple language:
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSC0_7hJ3m0
                  BUT, if anyone doubts, rummage through the biographies of "perestroika and organizers" of the new Russian life - the life of soulless masters and shortsighted slaves.
                  So, India here in the role of the most ordinary buyer (reseller, buyer) of stolen goods. Why - stolen? If you ask, then you will be surprised where the proceeds went ... More precisely - to whom ...
                  1. D16
                    D16 12 October 2019 16: 07
                    +5
                    Dear, you would get off the armored car. You don't need to agitate me, I saw everything with my own eyes. They did the right thing by selling Gorshkov. They themselves would have rotted him in some sort of sump. And Sevmash, one might say, built a new aircraft carrier from an old cruiser of a very "controversial" project.
      2. mmaxx
        mmaxx 13 October 2019 05: 54
        +1
        With the collapse of the Union, Nikolaev could no longer do anything. The Varyag was sold because it could not be completed.
        Not Nikolaev built, but the country.
    2. Nycomed
      Nycomed 12 October 2019 08: 24
      +2
      The Americans offered them Kitty Hawk absolutely free of charge, with the condition of purchasing an air wing. But that would be much more expensive.
      1. D16
        D16 12 October 2019 09: 13
        +2
        Kitty Hawk no one would capital for free. And without this, nowhere.
        1. Nycomed
          Nycomed 12 October 2019 10: 31
          -1
          Of course, why I say that all of this would have come up multiple times more expensive. But in this case, the Hindus would have an aircraft carrier of a completely different level, including and a power plant, proven and reliable.
          1. D16
            D16 12 October 2019 12: 02
            +2
            Then the Indians would work throughout the country for the American military-industrial complex with the thought "Why the hell did we need it?"
            1. Nycomed
              Nycomed 12 October 2019 12: 12
              +1
              So they still work for our military-industrial complex and for French and for Israel and for the same American. Here the question is a little different: India really needs an aircraft carrier. And not alone, given the "friendly" relations with neighbors. This is not Brazil and Argentina, where aircraft carriers were purchased as operetta decorations. India needs them.
              1. D16
                D16 12 October 2019 16: 32
                +3
                What is the fundamental difference between Kitty Hawk's power plant and Gorshkov? Why is Gorshkov's SU untested and unreliable? Destroyers of the 956th project serve in China and no one complains about them. And the Indians got confused with the purchase of an aircraft carrier only after China began to finish building the Varyag. By the way, with the same SU. They made, in my opinion, absolutely correct, reasonably sufficient choice. The balance was struck at a minimum cost. "Nuclear weapons and tank wedges" will rule in the conflict between India and neighbors laughing (c) and not aircraft carriers to scare the Papuans.
  11. Agronom
    Agronom 12 October 2019 06: 44
    +1
    In India there is a saying "If you want to ruin your partner, give him a white elephant .."))))
  12. Sergey M. Karasev
    Sergey M. Karasev 12 October 2019 06: 51
    +9
    Arms problems remain. Air defense of the ship is provided only by launching devices of false targets, capable of distracting anti-ship missiles. Short-range firepower is simply not available.

    The Indians themselves insisted on the abandonment of the normal air defense system with ZAK and SAM. You see, they needed a "clean aircraft carrier". Now the elbows are biting.
  13. Avior
    Avior 12 October 2019 07: 07
    -5
    Honestly, at that time the smartest thing India could do was either pay extra and complete the construction of Ulyanovsk and have a full-fledged ejection carrier, or at least pay extra for the completion of the Varyag, which was much easier - and now it would be in India, and not in China. The Varangian was originally built with the expectation of using horizontal take-off aircraft, unlike Gorshkov.
    It was quite simple to finish it then - all Soviet technologies and personnel were still in place.
    But the Indians do not seem to be looking for simple ways.
    That turned out to be very beneficial for Sevmash. smile
    excludes the purchase of American and European products, which is in the hands of Russia

    Well, this author got excited. Helicopters, Rafali is quite an American and European
    1. Dude
      Dude 12 October 2019 08: 38
      +3
      Honestly, at that time the smartest thing India could do was either pay extra and complete the construction of Ulyanovsk and have a full-fledged ejection carrier
      The Indians did not want an aircraft carrier in the 92nd. And then "Ulyanovsk" was quickly cut. In addition, its readiness at that time was ~ 18% - can you imagine the cost of completion? And with the supply of the reactor, fuel, and other atomic and near-atomic affairs, I think, it would not be so simple.
  14. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 12 October 2019 07: 11
    -2
    The sale of a combat-ready aircraft carrier is a symbol of the mercantile foreign policy of the modern Russian leadership. All for sale! The result of such a policy is just around the corner - take a look at the dillless Dill!
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    2. D16
      D16 12 October 2019 07: 44
      +4
      Gorshkov from the 92nd year was incapacitated.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 12 October 2019 12: 13
        -3
        Quote: D16
        Gorshkov from the 92nd year was incapacitated.

        In the early 90s, half of our Armed Forces (withdrawn from the republics and groups of troops) were non-combatant. "Castrated" units and military camps, choking on "planned" (rolling) power outages, being cut off as unnecessary, under the disarmament program ... Massively dismissed officers and semi-literate specialists who remain in the remnant ... The most important thing is cheating and selling, just to have some money ... It got to the sale of weapons from warehouses ... (There were criminal cases - who can find it interesting) ...
        And there is so much metal ...
    3. Dude
      Dude 12 October 2019 08: 42
      +3
      It was difficult to call it combat-ready at that moment. Another thing is that I agree with you - I would be useful myself.
  15. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 12 October 2019 08: 30
    +2
    And why do they say that the Vikramaditya is unarmed? Vraki all this. The Indian aircraft carrier is equipped with 2x6-30 mm AK-630 and 3x8 UVP air defense missile systems "Barak" (Israeli production).
  16. donavi49
    donavi49 12 October 2019 08: 35
    +3
    A possible buyer of such a ship is already called Brazil.


    What? FOUR times past:
    1) They already bought for inexpensive. Moreover, the Skyhawk naval air group fell apart.

    2) Dilma Rousseff has long been all. Now there is an American-oriented president.
    3) They have a national project - a nuclear submarine. They chose the French as partners. Scorpene series will prepare the shipyard for a new project. The French will supply technology and all the necessary materials / calculations for the first Brazilian nuclear boat.

    4) Again. Navy actively cooperate with France, São Paulo is a French aircraft carrier. If money is found, this No. 1 provider will be. The only question is in the old-fashioned format - they will buy De Gaulle. Or they will build a small one for them personally. The core of the air group is most likely SiGrippen - for Brazil decided to transfer to FluNG. Why do they need Russia, which has a very controversial experience and has no experience in CATOBAR?
  17. Basarev
    Basarev 12 October 2019 08: 57
    +1
    For all strangers, we simply agree to build noses, but for Russia it is almost a taboo.
    1. your1970
      your1970 12 October 2019 15: 32
      +1
      Quote: Basarev
      For all strangers, we simply agree to build noses, but for Russia it is almost a taboo.

      And these manipulations - (about the timing generally keep quiet !!!!) - you call "build aircraft carriers" ?????? Ofget .....
      Yes, only sworn "friends" can build this way - but certainly not for yourself ....
  18. faterdom
    faterdom 12 October 2019 09: 26
    +6
    But entire generations of Indians with their families have thoroughly studied the Russian language and customs, living for years in Severodvinsk. And how Indian children performed "Smile" and "Chunga-changa" on the city day in Arkhangelsk! Natural Born Artists!
    To sing and dance is theirs, dear! A carrier or submarine ... It was only Jules Verne could come up with this. So he seemed to be a science fiction writer.
    1. phair
      phair 13 October 2019 17: 05
      0
      In Vladivostok on Kirov, 29-31 Hindu houses are still called. The thirty-fifth submarine brigade had been gone for thirty years, but the memory remained.
  19. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 October 2019 10: 07
    -1
    Everyone wants everything at once and for free laughing . Let them buy a trough from n ..... owls they have this stuff heaps laughing
  20. Michael Panin
    Michael Panin 12 October 2019 10: 11
    +1
    The article contains all the inventions except for the cost. Information from the senior assistant junior caretaker RBN (Severodvinsk).
  21. Alien From
    Alien From 12 October 2019 10: 16
    +1
    Hindus will now sink, and then they will beg for discounts ....
  22. Victorio
    Victorio 12 October 2019 12: 03
    0
    After the not very successful modernization of Admiral Gorshkov, the Sevmash plant shows strange optimism.
    ====
    Unfortunately, the problem with the shortage and quality of specialists is widespread, and conscience and decency can completely get out of everyday life
  23. Pavel57
    Pavel57 12 October 2019 12: 14
    +2
    Yellow press headline.
  24. Demagogue
    Demagogue 12 October 2019 12: 22
    0
    Quote: VohaAhov
    And why do they say that the Vikramaditya is unarmed? Vraki all this. The Indian aircraft carrier is equipped with 2x6-30 mm AK-630 and 3x8 UVP air defense missile systems "Barak" (Israeli production).


    The barrack was not immediately installed. Somewhere around 2017. Before that, it was not. Such is the actual "article".
  25. Berkut24
    Berkut24 12 October 2019 12: 42
    +2
    The Indians bought the ship "cheaply". It is strange to expect from him a complete set "expensive". armament and equipment were discussed in the contract, the acceptance certificate was signed. Dot. And the fact that the Indians in the purchase of weapons are constantly deceiving themselves is no secret to anyone.
    "A little from all over the world" results in a fancy dress instead of a warrior's equipment.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 12 October 2019 18: 45
      0
      Accurately noticed! Sorry for the tautology. smile
  26. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 October 2019 12: 51
    0
    In their case, it was necessary to take what they give or build themselves. They sold both the ship and the planes at a good price. See, use and build the next one taking into account the errors of the first version. China as an example!
  27. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 12 October 2019 12: 55
    0
    Good or bad, you can argue endlessly, give thousands of reasons. And everyone will be right in their own way. I'll only ask one question - which is better? Have an aircraft carrier, albeit not very good or not at all? Because, knowing how the Indians "finish" their "crafty handles" designers, I believe that the pride of the Indian ship industry will not come into operation soon.
  28. Iskander. Richard
    Iskander. Richard 12 October 2019 13: 32
    -4
    The Russian Federation is a pipe country where fossil resources extracted from holes in the earth flow through pipes to developed countries, the finances received for them there and remain on the accounts of organized crime groups Lake, and the population of the Russian Federation will tolerate, it always tolerated. And India has long regretted that it has contacted a backward mafia state, so it cancels all projects with the Russian Federation and does it right.
  29. Felixsoft
    Felixsoft 12 October 2019 13: 46
    +1
    Russia's problems began in 1917.
  30. 2Albert
    2Albert 12 October 2019 14: 06
    -3
    As a result, the Vikramaditya Indians are in military service, and the Chinese never get out of the South China Sea. Although his Indians, thanks to the Ukrainians, bought just in order to withstand the shovels of the Chinese Avik.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 12 October 2019 18: 44
      +3
      This is what language you scribbled in? laughing
  31. DPN
    DPN 12 October 2019 17: 33
    +6
    It may be enough to blame for the distant past, in the year 91 the Soviet Union collapsed, that is, mainly WE and YOU, the Chinese MAO acted wisely removed the HUEYBEINS, I apologize for possibly spelling the word incorrectly and now they give us an example of the PRC they ran ahead and WE on the brink of war with their former home republics what have they achieved? Freedom from anyone from ourselves? The bunch won, the rest just whining.
  32. AML
    AML 12 October 2019 17: 57
    +3
    Quote: Felixsoft
    Russia's problems began in 1917.

    Yes of course. And before that there was neither 1905 nor the First World War. You probably don’t know, but it’s not the Bolsheviks who overthrew the tsar.
  33. Renat Sorrow
    Renat Sorrow 12 October 2019 18: 30
    -2
    Yes, we also have planes, allegedly declared the best, but in the end, the Indians wanted to abandon them. The declared characteristics do not meet the requirements !!! So all the military power of our country remained in the last century, and now they are trying to resurrect. The economy must be raised !!!
  34. Catfish
    Catfish 12 October 2019 18: 41
    0
    The fact that earlier Sevmash did not deal with the topic of aircraft carriers had a great influence on the work. All such ships for the USSR Navy were built in Nikolaev.


    Well, there is no silver lining. Having become proficient in the modernization of the Indian aircraft carrier, Sevmash has certainly acquired the much-needed experience for the construction of aircraft-carrying ships. At least I would like to hope so.
    Although, as an alternative, it would be possible to return Nikolaev, with its shipyards, to the Russian Federation, since there is positive experience with the Crimea.
  35. Tests
    Tests 12 October 2019 18: 53
    +1
    mihail panin (mihail panin), bravo, subtly !!! Considering that in the basement of the RBN - the restaurant "White Night" in Severodvinsk, an Indian rents the square and runs his own little restaurant. Submariners of the Soviet fleet of the 60-80th RBN would not know today ...
    faterdom (Andrey), dear, please, do not row all the servicemen of India one size fits all. They have Sikhs, they also serve in the Navy. One of these officers in November in Severodvinsk for the first time in his life got up on skis, and in the race at the close of the season at the end of March ran the top ten. It is clear that the ski stadium on Yagry Island is a plain, but ... When the city television reporters asked him after the race how he had made up his mind, he proudly replied: "I am a Sikh, I am an officer!" ... There are Sikhs in the crews of practically every ship in India - it is difficult not to notice their turbans and beards in the ranks.
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 13 October 2019 08: 57
      0
      So for the Sikh, everything except military service is somehow not very good.
  36. Foxnova
    Foxnova 12 October 2019 20: 13
    0
    Baku carried Basalts and not Granites)
  37. Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 13 October 2019 00: 49
    +1
    An alternative was the purchase of a US carrier Kitty Hawk, who was killed by long hikes, built in 1960, and its overhaul and maintenance would have cost the Indians even more ...
  38. Ildar with
    Ildar with 13 October 2019 01: 16
    +2
    You cannot make a PREMIUM class car from ZAPOROZHET - you cannot make an aircraft carrier from an aircraft carrier cruiser !!!
  39. mmk
    mmk 13 October 2019 02: 57
    -1
    They themselves do not build, and everyone can buzz about quality. Outside of regular situations often happen, for example, you can take new projects in Britain and the USA, which turned out to be too costly, and also without promising, in their lack of thoughtfulness and ability to fail.
  40. doktorkurgan
    doktorkurgan 13 October 2019 07: 41
    0
    The Soviet aircraft carrier “Baku” was put into operation in 1988. It was the only ship of the project 1143.4. He was carrying Granite rockets


    However, "Basalt". "Granites" at "Kuznetsov".

    Arms problems remain. Air defense of the ship is provided only by launching devices of false targets, capable of distracting anti-ship missiles. Short-range firepower is simply not available. India is able to equip Vikramaditya with its own copies of AK-630 units, but this will happen no earlier than in a few years.


    There, dragging something, it was planned to install the Israeli-made Barak-8 air defense system, for it, according to the wishes of the customer, places and energy capacities were reserved. But so far, this air defense system is not very ...
  41. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 13 October 2019 11: 54
    0
    Something, somehow, ... I seem to be reading Voennoye Obozreniye, but I get the impression that the Voice of America.
  42. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 13 October 2019 12: 58
    +1
    Kohl began to lose first-class specialists and did not resume the training of new specialists, everything flew upside down. And when the balabol Gorbachev came, everything collapsed, and then the USSR. collapsed. How else "Admiral Gorshkov" was even so collected and transferred to India.
  43. faterdom
    faterdom 13 October 2019 14: 49
    +1
    Quote: Tests
    dear, please, do not row all the Indian military under one comb

    Yes, I do not row. Sikhs, Gurkhas - yes, there are individual supermen.
    Only in dances and songs, India is a brand, about fighting - a pig in a poke. As well as China, for that matter.
    Maybe stereotypes - but only victory is an indisputable criterion for the quality of the army and navy in all aspects. And not only the prettiness of the form or super-duper costs.
  44. Alexander I
    Alexander I 14 October 2019 10: 12
    0
    We trained at the expense of the Indians, well, well.
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  46. boo
    boo 15 October 2019 10: 06
    0
    In general, judging by the results of activities in the military-industrial complex, the space sector in our country already lacks the scientific, engineering base and qualifications even for large projects. In my opinion, there is an unmistakable criterion - most of the projects widely announced under Putin in the defense industry or in space, aviation (the Pakfa, Armata, Zircon, East Cosmodrome, hangar, superjet) did not go through the procedure of being accepted for arming / operating and / or are not produced in large quantities.
    1. Armata. A few years ago, when a tank PR death toll, asked questions on military sites about the possibility of reviewing the crew in case they knock out all the optics on the tower. I was condescendingly advised against teaching the cat to eat sausages. And recently I meet an article with a link to the Ministry of Defense where it says that the main problem is why the Ministry of Defense does not take the tank into series, that it turns into a blind tin can if all the optics are knocked out, the crew will completely cease to see the situation and in general at the moment it is suitable only for parades.
    2. PAK FA. PR for many years as the coolest fighter in the world. And recently, India first abandoned its export version of FGFA, big claims on the quality of electronics and stealth (the nozzles are round rather than rectangular, because of which its ESR is 10 times higher than the ESR of the state F-22), and then set the condition that they will begin to purchase him only when we have him in service. Recently, I again meet an article with us that this aircraft is now in such a condition that it is suitable only for parades, and missiles have not been developed.
    3. Zircon. Several years ago they wrote that the main problem here is the creation of ramjet ramps for stable operation at hypersonic speeds. I do not hear a word or half a word whether this problem has been resolved over which all developed countries have been struggling for a long time. Not a word is said when this next waffle will be put into operation.
    4. Superjet. 80-90% of imported components, even they couldn’t do it from imported ones, defects, defects, zero service, failures all over the world.
    5. The cosmodrome is east. They stole everything that can be stolen, the facility is inoperative, and recently it has flooded the foundation pit at the launch pad. Another pilostroy, like the Olympics in Sochi
    6. Rocket Angara. They tortured us for more than 20 years, God knows how much was stolen from it, still nothing has been taken into operation, nothing flies.
    The general impression is a ruined science + technical degradation + depopulation of competent engineers, scientists + regular show-offs for cutting dough. It seems that all projects are starting to PR from scratch in order to attract loot, and whether or not it will work out to bring it all to the end, nobody especially thinks. Vikramaditya is a good example of this.
  47. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 15 October 2019 11: 21
    0
    Not happy with the aircraft carrier - let them buy $ 8,1-10 billion from the United States Gerald Ford ... if they sell.

    But in general, China massively makes large-tonnage ships, including including an aircraft carrier washed down ...
    And yes - India also has no contact with China.
    Well, in the UK then the cost of Queen Elizabeth class carriers £ 3,1 billion begins - only then will the F-35C VTOL have to agree to buy.
  48. Morgan
    Morgan 16 October 2019 15: 53
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    Now they definitely will not buy Su57.
  49. Living Soviet Man
    Living Soviet Man 3 November 2019 12: 28
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    I wish you good health! There are a lot of opinions here, but the question is do all commentators understand the full picture of what is happening?
    All that the Soviet Man built was simply given for free, and the unit of payment is in dollar terms. This is not casual since the territory of the USSR is in colonial dependence. All developments of the Soviet design bureaus, in fact, now all the specialists who are already fifty years old or older. This is the core that the young generation can still teach. But alas, young people are now focused on commerce and not on the invention of scientific action. Even if there is a thought of innovation, it will not be possible for anyone to translate it into reality, since there is no chain of specialists (a good turner, welder, toolmaker, etc.) tens of thousands are needed. What is not there at the moment.
  50. IgorYanIam
    IgorYanIam 9 November 2019 03: 35
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    #igoryan

    the blue screen of death is already near, are you ready to restart the system, now?
    1) ready to reinstall
    2) I will change the iron
    3) I will give it to the service
    4) no comment I'm a tanker - with a frying pan on my head

    Evolution in the digital world.
    Everyone is obliged to lay their brick in a protective wall for the future children of our grandchildren!
    Collect 155 yards of signatures and take the first step !!!
    how many of us were in the last century, where is the second half?
    Who is with me in the new game?