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Why did Turkey start a military operation in Syria

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Turkish President Recep Erdogan officially announced the start of a military operation in northern Syria. At the same time, Turkish aircraft attacked the positions of the Syrian Kurds from the air, artillery began shelling the border areas, and Tanks, armored personnel carriers, trucks with personnel of the Turkish ground forces crossed the Turkish-Syrian border.




The main goal of the operation


Ankara emphasizes that the operation in northern Syria aims to create a security zone - a thirty-kilometer strip, on which it is planned to place up to 2 of millions of Syrian refugee citizens who migrated to Turkey during the war. In addition, the Turks need a security zone in order to protect their country with a similar buffer from flaming Syria.

The operation should neutralize terrorist threats against Turkey and allow creating a safe zone, which will facilitate the return of Syrian refugees,

- Erdogan wrote on his Twitter page.



The name of the operation - "The Source of the World" - impresses with its hypocrisy. After all, it is already known about the first victims of Turkish shelling among the civilian population. And these victims will be even greater, given that the Kurds are a united and militarized people and now everyone, down to women and adolescents, will defend their land from Turkish troops invading it.

However, the areas where Turkey intends to create a security zone are controlled by the Syrian Democratic Forces, the key role of which is played by Kurdish forces. And to create a security zone, it will be necessary to clear the border territory, pushing the Kurds to the south.

But in fact, not so much a security zone as the Syrian Kurds are the true purpose of Ankara’s operation. The Turkish leadership has always with deepest hatred for the Kurdish national movement, both in Turkey itself and abroad. As you know, until recently, Ankara even refused Turkish Kurds to recognize their national identity, trying in every possible way to dissolve the Kurds in the Turkish environment, to assimilate them.

Erdogan considers the Kurdistan Workers' Party the main internal enemy of Turkey, which Ankara invariably evaluates as a terrorist organization, although even the Americans withdrew this "status" from the PKK. The Syrian Kurds in Ankara are considered as being under the control of the PKK, in fact, as its reserve, and even well armed and having combat experience.

Therefore, the existence of Kurdish territory uncontrolled by Damascus on the border with Turkey is associated with numerous risks in Ankara. Kurdish autonomy and, moreover, an independent Kurdish state in Syria is a source weapons and militants for the radicals in Turkish Kurdistan itself, this is a “bad example” for Turkish Kurds (and why are they, in fact, worse than their Syrian brothers, who cannot count on autonomy).

Thus, by no means creating a security zone, but striking at Kurdish formations is the main goal of the Turkish military operation in northern Syria. Taking advantage of the withdrawal of American troops from areas controlled by the Kurds, Erdogan finally decided to crack down on the Kurdish autonomy that he hated, which, incidentally, official Damascus does not recognize.



Turkish army against Kurdish militias


Immediately after Recep Erdogan officially announced the start of the operation in Syria, the Turkish Air Force launched two series of air strikes at the bases of Kurdish forces in Ras al-Ain, Tall Abyad and several other settlements. Then artillery began shelling Syrian territory, hitting at least 16 targets in a neighboring country.

The Kurds, unlike the Syrian government troops, do not have air defense systems, air forces. Therefore, before the blows of the Turkish aviation and artillery, Self-Defense Forces and Syrian Democratic Forces were defenseless. And this despite the fact that the military prowess of Kurdish fighters does not cause any doubt.

But air strikes and artillery were followed by the introduction of Turkish ground forces. The war with the Kurds on earth promises to be long and bloody, unless, of course, Erdogan changes his mind and reverses. The Turkish army is well armed and trained, but the Kurdish formations are manned by people who for many years fought every day with ISIS terrorists (banned in Russia) and with government forces.

In addition, the Kurdish formations are pretty well armed, since the United States took care of the arming and training of the Self-Defense Forces and the Syrian Democratic Forces at one time. It was the United States that was the main patron of the Kurds in northern Syria, which was another annoying factor for Ankara.

Despite disputes over the supply of Russian C-400 to Turkey, the country continues its membership in the North Atlantic Alliance and, accordingly, is the US military-political ally. True, Washington refused to participate in the Turkish operation in northern Syria, but did everything possible for Turkey — withdrew its troops located in Kurdish-controlled territories.

The weak spots of the Kurds are the Arab formations - this is up to 30% of all the troops of the Syrian democratic forces. Arabs are less trained and less motivated to resist the Turks and this is well known in Ankara. Therefore, the Turkish army and the beginning of the attack of Syrian Kurdistan with attacks on positions controlled by the Arab troops of the Syrian democratic forces.

Now the Kurds are cursing Donald Trump in betrayal. The American president, who yesterday was an ally and patron of the Kurdish national movement, turned into his traitor. Although Trump himself attacked Turkey with threats to destroy its economy and scattered compliments on the Kurdish people, everyone understands that words are words and deeds are deeds. And Washington’s actions speak for themselves - American troops were withdrawn from the Kurdish regions, which made it possible for Turkey to organize a military operation. After all, if the Americans had remained in the Kurdish regions, Erdogan would never have decided to conduct an operation.

Now the Kurds have to rely on their own strengths and the support of the world community. In the territories controlled by the Syrian Kurds, a general mobilization was announced to repulse Turkish aggression. The autonomous administration of the territories of northeastern Syria appealed to the Kurds and to all the national communities of the region with a call to defend their homeland from the advancing Turkish army. In addition, the autonomous administration is also asking for help from the world community, speaking of a humanitarian catastrophe that will inevitably follow the Turkish operation in Syria.



In fact, the Kurds have only one way out of this situation - to turn to the Syrian government in Damascus, behind which Moscow and Tehran stand. The leaders of Kurdish formations themselves already envisage a similar development of events, emphasizing the possibility of starting a dialogue with Bashar al-Assad and his representatives. In this case, the aggression of the Turkish army against the Syrian Kurds can be seen as an attack on sovereign Syria.

It is possible that the Trump administration pursued precisely such goals, hoping to quarrel Ankara with Moscow and Tehran and hoping to destroy the fragile balance of forces that has developed in the Middle East over the past time, as a result of negotiations between Turkey, Iran and Russia.

Another way out is a guerrilla war, which will drag on for a very long time, since northern Syria is full of weapons, many people with combat experience, and most importantly, over the years of the Kurdish autonomy, people are already accustomed to living in their own, albeit unrecognized state, according to their laws and rules, and to be in the occupation zone controlled by Turkish soldiers, they have no desire.

The European community will definitely be on the side of the Kurds, whom the left European community has long been sympathetic to. Even volunteers from European countries are fighting in Kurdish formations in Syria. But, of course, the EU will not take any serious action against Ankara, it will confine itself to declarations of protest.



And what about Russia?


Moscow immediately took a position of non-interference, although it criticized the actions of Ankara. Gone are the days when Russia was considered one of the key patrons of the Kurdish national movement in the Middle East. Vladimir Putin finally decided on foreign policy priorities, developing contacts with Recep Erdogan. Even the death of the Russian pilot Ankara was forgiven, but not only forgiven, but then they signed and executed the contract for the supply of C-400.

Of course, in words, Russia will now criticize Turkish actions in Syria. But according to the rhetoric used by the country's leaders, the pro-government media, it is clear that Kurdish formations in Moscow are not sympathetic. And this is sad, but understandable - for Russia, relations with Turkey and official Damascus are more important than support for the Kurds, even if in fairness they have every right to create their own state.

Kurds are more than forty million people in the Near and Middle East, whose representatives, incidentally, live in Russia. We will not go into discussions about whether an independent Kurdish state should or should not appear on the world map, but in this situation, the interests of the Kurds cannot be ignored.

The ideal behavior for Russia would be mediation in the ongoing conflict with pressure on Ankara to end the operation. It is no secret that the Kurds made a huge contribution to the fight against ISIS (banned in Russia) in northern Syria. As for the choice by the Kurds of the Americans as allies and patrons, so what was left to do in the situation when three forces had to confront at once - the terrorists, the Syrian government forces of Bashar Assad and neighboring Turkey?

Russia benefits from "pacification" of the Kurds and their return under the rule of Damascus. But one must understand that after such an experience of the existence of Kurdish autonomy, the situation will never be the same. The Kurds sooner or later, but will have their own independent state. And Russia has absolutely no reason to sign up for its original opponents. Moreover, Turkey has never been and never will be a true friend of our country, especially if it begins to strengthen and claim a more significant role in world politics.

The Kurds themselves now have the opportunity to see for themselves that the Americans are an unreliable ally, who at the most crucial moment threw them "to eat" Turkey with its powerful and well-armed army. And this, by the way, is a good warning to all countries and forces counting on American support. They will not sacrifice their people, invest big money in “alien” wars for the sake of other countries and peoples in the United States.
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  1. Arberes
    Arberes 10 October 2019 09: 02
    +7
    The Kurds will not be able to effectively confront the Turkish army on the plain. Terrorists torture the Turks.
    1. Alex_You
      Alex_You 10 October 2019 09: 13
      -5
      How to say, this is not the first military operation against the Kurds and the Turks always broke their teeth on the Kurds.
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 10 October 2019 09: 20
        0
        Quote: Alex_You
        this is not the first military operation against the Kurds


        In the highlands YES! Kurds are strong there. Remember the last operation of the Turks in the border regions of Syria and the city of Manbij (about a year ago) and the Kurds were squeezed out.
        1. protoss
          protoss 10 October 2019 10: 06
          +3
          would you at least ask a question before commenting. in the manbij, the Turks did not carry out the operation.
          1. Arberes
            Arberes 10 October 2019 10: 32
            +2
            Quote: protoss
            would you at least ask a question before commenting.

            Yes you are right! AFRIN of course. hi
    2. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 11 October 2019 03: 17
      +1
      I don’t understand the strange thing I would say is the infantility of the Turkish leadership, they are going to exterminate 40 million Kurds, they want to drive them to where, because these are not hens and not their dogs, and you cannot drive them out without determining exactly where they should be. What do they want to achieve, complete nonsense, maybe they want to scare death? Yes, but then they, the leadership of Turkey and undoubtedly the United States, should at least offer something to the Kurds in return for what they have. What do Kurds have? A few, in fact, temporary shelters, but it’s also a pity to lose them, but if they are expelled from those that they have now either by negotiation or by force they will gain new ones, that is, they will move from one place to another, and this will anger them and will rally. They won’t go far, for the reason that they don’t want to and nobody will allow them to, the place is already taken there. What the Turkish leadership will achieve at the cost of human and material losses is nothing. The enemy, as he was near, will remain, he simply has nowhere to go!
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 10 October 2019 09: 17
    +20
    In 1915, the Kurds, along with the Turks, killed Russians and Armenians, now the Turks kill the Kurds, and the Kurds of the Turks, while we sell weapons to the Turks, the normal situation.
    1. Arberes
      Arberes 10 October 2019 09: 25
      +4
      Quote: Pessimist22
      now the Turks are killing the Kurds, and the Kurds of the Turks,

      So let them digest each other. yes
    2. eagle owl
      eagle owl 10 October 2019 10: 08
      +6
      Do you think that the emergence of Kurdistan, I recall, has long been Kurds fighting against Assad, who gave us a base in Syria, meet the interests of the Russian Federation? Assad is their enemy; we are Assad's allies, so who are the Kurds? ENEMIES!
      Well, there’s nothing to say about Erdogan - the emergence of Kurdistan for him means the loss of the south of Turkey, he is the president of Turkey - is he obliged to protect the integrity of the state of Turkey? Well, here’s the answer to the question in the title of the article. And also - the answer to the question why the Russian Federation sells weapons to Turkey, and not to the Kurds, who is the enemy? Kurds. With whom Erdogan is fighting, which means. that he is an ally!
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 10 October 2019 10: 31
        +8
        Quote: Uhu
        . And also - the answer to the question why the Russian Federation sells weapons to Turkey, and not to the Kurds, who is the enemy? Kurds. With whom Erdogan is fighting, which means. that he is an ally!


        If you follow this logic, then you can go further. Turkey supports the SSA militants with people / weapons and other things, and these militants who previously were not in any groups and then enlisted in the Syrian Free Army, whose goal is the overthrow of the legitimate authorities of Syria, which they successfully prove, i.e. fighting against the Syrian army. And if we continue to follow such a chain, then the SSA - an ally of Turkey - therefore an ally of Russia? But it turns out nonsense, given that we came to Syria to fight terrorism, but at the same time, part (a significant part) of terrorist groups acts in the interests of Turkey. Therefore, the fact that Erdogan is an ally is a very controversial issue ....
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 10 October 2019 11: 04
          +3
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          o SSA - Turkey’s ally - hence Russia’s ally?

          No, for she is an adversary of Syria Assad.
        2. Berber
          Berber 10 October 2019 11: 32
          +10
          The Kurds were once offered the opportunity to choose. They have chosen the patronage of the United States and are now paying for it. The Kurds will never have their own state, because their elite, always corrupt. They only think about their pockets. Everyone deserves what they deserve.
          1. vald666
            vald666 16 October 2019 09: 11
            +1
            I agree completely, the comrades made their choice
        3. eagle owl
          eagle owl 10 October 2019 12: 08
          0
          About SSA is another question, IMHO, this is one of the most epic jambs of Erdogan. The FSA is actually American proxies, while the United States - and, accordingly, the forces under its control in the Middle East have the main goal - in fact, to destabilize the region, all this "Arab spring" is only characteristic of this! But it looks like. Erdogan is afraid of quarreling with mattresses - apparently they scared him with an attempted coup, because he miraculously survived with him ... This is how it looks that Erdogan is afraid that he will raise his tail against the SSA ... A response may arrive - there are options a lot, you can download it, for example, through the occupation of Cyprus - the Greeks will be happy ... You can incite the same SSA - also nothing good for Turkey ... A lot of things can be done.
          Erdogan has no options with Kurds - Kurds in principle do not want to stay in Turkey. They need their own country - this is unacceptable to Erdogan, so Erdogan is obliged to raise the tail for the Kurds ... At the SSA - it seems like it is not necessary, but the SSA from Turkey does not need autonomy, are they Syrian, not Turkish?
          But in general, of course, Erdogan creates nonsense. Together with Assad, and maybe with the Russian Federation, he needs to be led into the Kurds, and they and Assad are on the same side against the Kurds - the Kurds are bothering both! But Erdogan is kind of afraid to openly side with Assad. And thus he can finish the game - he cannot have more allies in the region, well, isn’t Israel and the USA his allies?
        4. Chaldon48
          Chaldon48 14 October 2019 03: 58
          0
          Erdogan the fellow traveler behind whom an eye and an eye is needed, at the first discrepancy, he will betray behind the high interests of the nation
      2. bandabas
        bandabas 10 October 2019 13: 29
        +1
        And there was also a downed SU-24, sanctions against Turkish tomatoes ... And a complete zilch. Russian elephant is the best friend of all foreign elephants. We are partners. Hm ...
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 10 October 2019 19: 20
          +2
          Quote: bandabas
          And there was a downed SU-24

          A few months later, an explosion occurred in Turkey in which 22 pilots died. No one took responsibility for this.
          https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201602190529-bh08.htm
          1. Warrior2015
            Warrior2015 11 October 2019 00: 09
            +1
            Quote: Dart2027
            A few months later, an explosion occurred in Turkey in which 22 pilot died

            And not only that. A lot of interesting things happened. "Indirect disproportionate response" so to speak. And they managed without a war, and after all this Erdoganchik himself had already resorted to Moscow to negotiate forgiveness.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 11 October 2019 19: 34
              0
              Quote: Warrior2015
              And not only that. A lot of interesting things happened.

              Maybe I'm just not particularly up to date.
          2. Good_Anonymous
            Good_Anonymous 14 October 2019 01: 46
            +1
            Quote: Dart2027
            No one took responsibility for this.


            [media = https: //www.kommersant.ru/doc/2921749] Someone took [/ media]. Did you really consider this explosion a "response", an act of retaliation for the downed plane? That would be state terrorism, actually.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 14 October 2019 19: 56
              0
              Quote: Good_Anonymous
              That would be state terrorism, actually

              Dear, have you come from a country of fairies for a long time, where ponies with colorful bangs run along clean and bright meadows?
              1. Good_Anonymous
                Good_Anonymous 14 October 2019 20: 49
                +1
                You did not answer the question. So do you think the death of 22 pilots as a result of a terrorist attack by Turkey’s retaliation action from Russia, or not?
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 14 October 2019 22: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Good_Anonymous
                  You did not answer the question.

                  Really? In my opinion, I have clearly shown that I think.
                  1. Good_Anonymous
                    Good_Anonymous 15 October 2019 00: 44
                    +1
                    Clear. Well, at least now you know that someone still took responsibility for this attack - the Kurds.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 15 October 2019 19: 39
                      +1
                      Quote: Good_Anonymous
                      that someone nevertheless took responsibility for this attack - the Kurds
                      The list of terrorist attacks in Turkey - the vast majority against the police, sometimes against military bases, but do pilots often blow up?
                      https://ria.ru/20170101/1485052478.html
                      1. Good_Anonymous
                        Good_Anonymous 15 October 2019 20: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The list of terrorist attacks in Turkey - the vast majority against the police, sometimes against military bases


                        The first paragraph from your own link:


                        A mined car exploded near a bus in which soldiers and corporals were traveling on leave. "


                        An exact copy of the attack with the pilots. Or:


                        the explosion of a car bomb occurred at a busy intersection in the center of Ankara near the buildings of parliament, the General Staff and the hostel for the military. 29 people were killed, 61 were injured


                        If you look at the whole list, it’s clear that bus bombing is a common tactic. Just at that time, the pilots got under the hand.

                        Of course, we can assume that the undermining of the pilots is revenge for the Su-24. Then it is strange that neither the pilot who launched the rocket nor the trickster who took on the killing of the crew commander banged.
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 15 October 2019 21: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Good_Anonymous
                        The first paragraph from your same link

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        the vast majority against the police

                        Quote: Good_Anonymous
                        Then it’s strange that neither the pilot who launched the rocket nor the trickster who took on the killing of the crew commander banged

                        The pilot got his while trying to overthrow Erdogan.
                        Quote: Good_Anonymous
                        the explosion of a car bomb occurred at a busy intersection in the center of Ankara near the buildings of parliament, the General Staff and the hostel for the military. 29 people were killed, 61 were injured

                        Actually, this is an explosion of pilots.
                      3. Good_Anonymous
                        Good_Anonymous 15 October 2019 21: 16
                        -1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The pilot got his while trying to overthrow Erdogan.


                        After the coup, quite a few soldiers were arrested in general. If "got his" in the sense of Heinlein - where is the information? I hope you at least don't think that the coup was organized by Russia for the sake of this.
                      4. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 15 October 2019 22: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Good_Anonymous
                        If "got his" in the sense of Heinlein - where is the information?

                        He was among those arrested.
        2. Slon379
          Slon379 10 October 2019 21: 02
          0
          They forgot about the ambassador ....
      3. ver_
        ver_ 12 October 2019 11: 40
        0
        ..and whom did Pope Assad cut out? ..
  3. Pacifist
    Pacifist 10 October 2019 09: 21
    +8
    Now the Kurds are cursing Donald Trump in betrayal.

    It never was and suddenly again. bully
    1. Berber
      Berber 10 October 2019 11: 34
      0
      "Truth, repeated many times, becomes commonplace." - Bernard Show.
      Today I heard on the radio. wink
  4. Yrec
    Yrec 10 October 2019 09: 26
    +8
    Erdogan, in his quest to build a new Ottoman Empire, made a fatal strategic mistake. He sees her Turkey as a state with one nationality - the Turks. Although the Turks themselves in Turkey are half the strength of the population (Ukraine rides on the same rake). With external apparent stability, such a design experiences great internal stresses that will lead Turkey to a serious crisis, and possibly to collapse. Erdogan cannot be defeated by the Kurds, he can only temporarily drive them underground and then only if the operation against them is completed more or less successfully. Otherwise (very likely) Erdogan may fly off and the country will plunge into chaos, and there, not far from the civil war. Take it on your own, so as not to fall at least.
    1. protoss
      protoss 10 October 2019 10: 00
      -6
      it was you who made a mistake, if you ascribe to Erdogan the restoration of the oi, then why are you suddenly talking about mono-ethnicity? these are mutually exclusive concepts. the course towards the national state is Kemalism, but it has done its job and is no longer needed. Turkey is returning to its natural state.
      it is not a whim of Erdogan, it comes from below, from the people.
    2. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 10 October 2019 10: 14
      +1
      But in a different way he cannot act. Otherwise, Turkey will fall apart like a house of cards
    3. Berber
      Berber 10 October 2019 11: 36
      +1
      "Speak Turkish and convert to Islam" is from the depths of centuries. An old Ottoman tradition.
    4. Stas157
      Stas157 10 October 2019 13: 26
      +5
      Quote: Yrec
      He sees her Turkey as a state with one nationality - the Turks. Although the Turks themselves in Turkey are half the strength of the population

      Here's what Wikipedia writes about Turkish nationality:
      Turkish national identity appeared quite late in the historical arena. Some anecdotes were often repeated, in which this delay was clearly distinguished. At the end of the XNUMXth century, when some representatives of the Young Turks, who settled in Paris, were asked what nation they belonged to, they first answered "We are Muslims", and only after it was explained to them that Islam is a religion, they answered "We are Ottomans" ... They were told that this is not a nation, but it is completely unthinkable for these young people to say that they were Turks
  5. MrFox
    MrFox 10 October 2019 09: 41
    -1
    Trump takes care of his country - returns industry to it. Who is on friendly terms with anyone in the Middle East
  6. certero
    certero 10 October 2019 09: 43
    +2
    Middle east place is very strange. There are no friends; only each country has interests.
    1. protoss
      protoss 10 October 2019 09: 56
      0
      But in Europe or Southeast Asia is not the same?
    2. Evil echo
      Evil echo 10 October 2019 10: 34
      +2
      Yes, all over the world.
    3. dzvero
      dzvero 10 October 2019 17: 28
      +3
      In the Middle East, there are no countries in the classical sense, regardless of the formal "shell". And there are "destinies" cut by the British and French, where local bais rule. There are enough examples - the desire of the Kurds to create their own state; the breakup of Iraq into Kurdish, Sunni and Shiite parts; Saudi Arabia is generally a tribal formation. It is no coincidence that during the active part of the civil war in Syria, Assad and Russian advisers agreed with the elders of towns / villages. So there is such an interweaving of interests that the devil himself will break both legs in an attempt to figure it out ...
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    1. protoss
      protoss 10 October 2019 10: 29
      +2
      Quote: rudolff
      Friendly State Aggression

      aggression of a "friendly state" against another "friendly state". laughing
    2. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 10 October 2019 10: 42
      +3
      Quote: rudolff
      It’s hard to say who comes meaner, we or the Americans.


      It’s just that this situation shows that all our words about supporting international law remain only words when it comes to the interests of the state. I honestly believed to the last (probably naive) that for Russia the UN Security Council and adherence to international law are not just words, and the United States and Europeans have not paid attention to these rights for a long time, we were probably one of the last who until recently I tried to support something there, but it seems that this time has passed.
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 10 October 2019 11: 32
        +3
        Thank God! Our government, has become a priority to put the national interests of the Russian Federation. And only then the international rights of the UN Security Council and other OSCE ...
        1. Arthur 85
          Arthur 85 10 October 2019 21: 12
          +1
          A. Here is a sound idea. Turkey is a strong player, a solvent country. We need to maintain normal relations with them. Enough to bring peace to the whole world, and to rebuild cities and the Armed Forces to all the people of hunger, etc.
      2. kebzuref
        kebzuref 10 October 2019 14: 42
        0
        are you out of your mind !? where does international law and the UN !? the Kurds do not have a country; they are illegal armed groups under international law! they pay for making a stupid bet on sv! Russia and Syria offered them their protection in due time, they themselves refused and chose the USA! as the saying goes, you reaped it!
      3. Smoke
        Smoke 11 October 2019 02: 32
        +1
        you are either a provocateur or a very narrow-minded and stupid person - colloquially DEER)))
    3. certero
      certero 10 October 2019 11: 26
      -2
      We have no friendly states there. Russia has its own interests there.
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        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 10 October 2019 11: 36
          -5
          And when the Union was different? In the village, from hopelessness, the Russians were drunk, and the Kurds were helped - and when will we see dividends from this? They helped the whole world, including Irish workers and English miners, the poor fellows were oppressed .. - they helped, the country collapsed ...
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            2. Nasrat
              Nasrat 10 October 2019 16: 12
              0
              Quote: rudolff
              Do you think that the country collapsed because others were helped? Or because mediocrity came to power?

              It is a pity that they deleted my comment ... there were no insults, no obscenities .. there was naked truth and facts from life .. But who needs the truth now? ...
            3. andrew42
              andrew42 15 October 2019 09: 23
              0
              Some kind of stupid argument came out. Yes, it collapsed also because they "helped" - you cannot endlessly use a state-forming nation, that is, Russians, to the point of an exhausted nag. This is one of many factors. And what about mediocrity is half the trouble. There were mediocrities, we do not deny. However, the Soviet Union was betrayed and ruined not by "mediocrities", but by a mortified part of the upper and middle party elite, who had merged with the traders who stupidly wanted comfort, power and money, as in the "progressive west." These are not mediocrities, they are "smart people" who sell theirs for a million and put 30 pieces of silver in their pockets.
    4. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 10 October 2019 11: 48
      +4
      Quote: rudolff
      The Americans, of course, meanly acted against the Kurds, but the Kremlin also smells no less of the hypocritical policy.

      The Kurds themselves are still traitors. Here are the words of one of the officials of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, which more than clearly show how much the Kurds value Russia's attitude - "" Kurds are now the most dynamic force in the Middle East. They fight in the most determined way, they are better organized. The US cannot ignore this. How can the US achieve its goals in the Middle East without the PKK? No Kurds? This does not work. How will Europe end its dependence on Russian gas without the Kurds? Oil and gas streams also pass to the Mediterranean Sea through Syrian Kurdistan. If this route is secured, Europe will be able to breathe freely again. ”Moreover, the Kurds urged the United States to introduce an unmanned zone over Kurdistan, as it did in Libya, but this resolution was blocked by Russia and China.
      Quote: rudolff
      And they suddenly abruptly forgot about the UN Security Council, an extraordinary meeting initiated by Europeans.

      But you are not embarrassed by the fact that official Damascus did not initiate an extraordinary meeting of the UN Security Council, although it seems like Turkey is carrying out an act of aggression against Syria? Where is Europe and where is Syria?
      Quote: rudolff
      It’s hard to say who comes meaner, we or the Americans.

      Definitely Americans. We do not have any contractual relations with the Kurds, nor are we bound by guarantees. hi
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        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 10 October 2019 14: 33
          +3
          Quote: rudolff
          Syria is not a member of the Security Council and cannot convene an extraordinary meeting.

          It is clear that Syria itself cannot convene, but it can officially apply to the UN to consider the issue of aggression. Further, the matter on the consideration of the issue at the meeting is behind the decision of the permanent and temporarily represented member states of the UN Security Council, but Damascus does not initiate consideration of this issue in the UN Security Council, but those countries that traditionally "grunt" the United States have cackled.
  8. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 10 October 2019 11: 10
    +5
    In general, of course, this whole situation shows hypocrisy on our part (yes, patriots will forgive me), but this is so. We came to Syria to fight terrorism and to help the Syrian people repel external aggression. And what is there now? Turkey is a country thanks to which the war in Syria still does not stop, since the supply of people / weapons to the militants comes from Turkey, and I think many still remember the programs from our TV with the headlines: "The General Staff showed evidence of Turkey's purchase of oil from IS" "Russia gave evidence of Turkey's involvement in the oil business of IS "- where we were told about Turkey's role in this war. What now ? Everyone bashfully forgot about it .... although the same FSA have now united with Turkey in the fight against the Kurds, and then there will be a fight against official Damascus, since the purpose of the FSA is to overthrow the official authorities of Syria, and what should we call it all? This is almost direct support of terrorism from Turkey. Not to mention Turkey's desire to chop off the territory of a foreign state ...
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    2. certero
      certero 10 October 2019 11: 42
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      Russia went to Syria to defend its own interests. All stories about helping people and so on are just propaganda. It does not sound cynical, this is absolutely the right thing to do. Because I remember the union of dohren who helped, only then those whom he helped usually watered it with shit.
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    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 10 October 2019 19: 24
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      Quote: Aleksandr21
      Turkey is a country thanks to which the war in Syria still does not stop

      In fact, all this mess was brewed not by Turkey, but by the USA. The role of the Turks here is not very significant.
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      Not to mention the desire of Turkey to chop off the territory of a foreign state

      I doubt it. Erdogan cannot allow the detachment of the Kurdish regions included in Turkey, but he is unlikely to want to join the new ones.
    4. Smoke
      Smoke 11 October 2019 04: 19
      -1
      Hey, deer, are you talking about hypocrisy? Speak only about yourself ok?
  9. Yrec
    Yrec 10 October 2019 11: 17
    +1
    Quote: protoss
    it was you who made a mistake, if you ascribe to Erdogan the restoration of the oi, then why are you suddenly talking about mono-ethnicity? these are mutually exclusive concepts. the course towards the national state is Kemalism, but it has done its job and is no longer needed. Turkey is returning to its natural state.
    it is not a whim of Erdogan, it comes from below, from the people.

    That's what I'm talking about. A mistake is to build a mono-ethnic OI (more precisely, Turkey within the borders of the OI). By the way, in the Olympic Games calling a person a "Turk" was like calling a "redneck" - it was considered an insult. I think it will not be possible to bring the Turks to the position of "rednecks". Equalize with other nationalities in Turkey - too. This is a direct path to civil war.
  10. gorenina91
    gorenina91 10 October 2019 11: 44
    +1
    The Kurds could act much more radically ... - but, obviously ... - the Turks are clearly afraid and fearful ... - It is not for the Kurds to do atrocities in Russian cities ... - here they will immediately press their tail ...
  11. Alien From
    Alien From 10 October 2019 12: 10
    0
    Turks are cunning of the first guild, we need to keep our finger on the pulse in this situation!
  12. bandabas
    bandabas 10 October 2019 13: 09
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    The situation in Syria has long been reminiscent of an old joke.
    "Several approach the peasant in a dark alley:
    - Man, can not I have a cigarette?
    A man, taking off his hat, watch, sheepskin coat, etc .:
    - But when will you all get high? !! "
  13. PAVEL PYHTEEV
    PAVEL PYHTEEV 10 October 2019 13: 32
    +2
    The article is clearly provocative. It does not disclose why Russia should stick to the Kurds. Well, they did not have their own state, and now what? What is it to us? We, in turn, gave the brother-Bulgarians statehood from the Ottoman imeria, too, and in response to this, they fought against us in all world wars and almost lost the southern stream. Russia has three friends: its own army, its own navy, and its own strategic forces.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 10 October 2019 15: 37
      +1
      Quote: PAVEL PYKHTEEV
      We, in turn, also granted the brotherhoods-Bulgarians statehood from the Ottoman imeria, and in response to this, they fought against us in all world wars and the south stream a little to us not poheril.

      Why a little ...? It was thanks to their zeal that South Stream did not take place. I had to build the Turkish Stream.
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        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 10 October 2019 19: 55
          +1
          Quote: rudolff
          What zeal?

          I do not like the word zeal, replace it with zeal ... Bulgaria has diligently and diligently fulfilled the requirements of the EU, and as they say there is nothing worse than an executive du.rak. Now, instead of a gas hub and a bunch of financial buns accompanying this status, Bulgaria has a donut hole. hi
  14. Radikal
    Radikal 10 October 2019 14: 18
    0
    Quote: Nasr
    And when the Union was different? In the village, from hopelessness, the Russians were drunk, and the Kurds were helped - and when will we see dividends from this? They helped the whole world, including Irish workers and English miners, the poor fellows were oppressed .. - they helped, the country collapsed ...

    You did not get drunk .... wassat
  15. faterdom
    faterdom 10 October 2019 14: 54
    +1
    Strange question in the title.
    Yes, Turkey is sleeping and sees making the Kurds sleep with their teeth against the wall, and vice versa - every day the growth of the influence of the Kurds, their armament and the growth of combat experience is in no way acceptable for Turkey. That is, the motivation of the Turks is understandable to everyone in the world, and it’s impossible to do surprised eyes here.
    The goals of the Kurds are also understandable, they are exactly the opposite of Turkish, as well as Iraqi, Iranian and Syrian.
    And this story did not begin yesterday, and not even a hundred years ago.
    Here's another question - how do these graters relate to the goals of Russia, the USA, Israel, the European Union?
    I will say this for us: we fit into the territorial integrity of Syria, at a time when no one believed in the very existence of this state. And they must adhere to this consistently. If the Kurds are against, their choice. The Turks will try to linger there - we will put pressure on them. And the Americans, by the way, too.
    In the meantime ... let the Turks and their proxies clatter with American proxies, but along the way, the Klimkin and the Japanese samurai are sad about the frailty of American alliance.
    And then we will them in Astana or somewhere else, you can immediately in Sochi - we will listen and judge.
  16. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 10 October 2019 15: 06
    0
    It would be naive to think that the Americans promised the Kurds Kurdistan. Chop off a piece of Syria - yes, but not from Turkey. The Kurds have a wishlist that is too large and unrealizable even by the forces of the "hegemon", which is why he merges from direct support to the level of secret operations. Now the Kurds have only two paths: either to become like the assorted ISIS members, or to go the political path towards autonomy within the SAR. The prospects for these directions are completely different, and first they would have to agree with each other (the Kurds are also different), which also requires certain efforts and intelligence.
  17. gvozdan
    gvozdan 10 October 2019 16: 31
    +1
    All countries of the world paid blood over their borders. If the Kurds succeed in fighting off all, then the Kurdistan has the right to life. If it doesn’t work out, it’s not fate. This is the only way to earn the right to a country
  18. faterdom
    faterdom 10 October 2019 17: 20
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    Quote: gvozdan
    All countries of the world paid blood over their borders.

    How to say. There is, for example, Luxembourg - the result of political compromises between big and strong powers. And Switzerland is the same in essence.
    1. Good_Anonymous
      Good_Anonymous 15 October 2019 21: 23
      -1
      Quote: faterdom
      There is, for example, Luxembourg - the result of political compromises between big and strong powers. And Switzerland is the same in essence.


      I don’t know about Luxembourg, but the Swiss shed a lot of blood beyond their borders.
  19. Nizhlogger
    Nizhlogger 10 October 2019 22: 45
    +1
    I want to remind you that the rantings that the Americans abandoned or "betrayed" the Kurds are inappropriate. That's bullshit.
    This is the same as screaming that Russia betrayed the Syrians without 100% protecting Syria from attacks by Americans and Jews. Russia helped the Syrians in the fight against ISIS as it was in Russia's interests. And with the Turks and the Jews themselves, themselves .....
    So are the Americans. Do not forget that the Kurds in the person of ISIS had an existential threat associated with survival. You just need to know a little what ISIS did with the Kurds and how he cut out entire towns and sold women into sexual slavery. And the Kurds were ISIL's worst enemies. And the Americans helped them a lot in this fight, which, incidentally, was in the interests of the Americans themselves. And with the Turks there or with Assad themselves, themselves, ......
    1. Warrior2015
      Warrior2015 11 October 2019 00: 21
      0
      Quote: Nizhlogger
      And the Kurds were ISIL's worst enemies. And the Americans helped them a lot in this fight, which, incidentally, was in the interests of the Americans themselves. And with the Turks there or with Assad themselves, themselves, ......

      Yes it is. But personally, I am a little strange why official Damascus and the Kurds have not been able to come to an agreement, despite obvious attempts on this issue by the Kurds, and by remarks like from Russia to Assad that he needs to be more perishable and softer. And the "non-peaceful" Kurds will never come to terms with the Turks (peaceful Kurds have long come to terms with the occupation, with the restriction of broadcasting in Kurdish, the ban on the press, etc., and simply work from the Antalya Gulf to the northeastern borders of Turkey without question).

      I don’t know how things will go. Recent data on 20: 00 10 October - Turkish forces advanced 8-12 km. along the entire line of the 480-kilometer front.

      These Kurds - 8 civilians and 7 of their "soldiers" were killed, dozens of Turkish government soldiers were killed;
      Turkish data - not a single civilian Kurd was killed and about 80 "Kurdish militants" were killed.

      Kurds talk about allegedly knocked out 4 tanks, Turks - about allegedly one damaged armored personnel carrier.

      More Turks talk about casualties among their civilians in the border strip from the Kurdish mortar shelling; Kurds, of course, say that they fired only on the positions of Turkish troops.

      Well and still - the Turkish army speaks so far about the plan of invasion no more than in 30-50 km. zone south of the northern border of Syria, and even suggests that the operation de agreed with the government in Damascus.
      1. Nizhlogger
        Nizhlogger 11 October 2019 06: 39
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        The Kurds have the main problem that they themselves can not agree. In Iraq alone, two powerful parties of the Kurds are at war with each other. There is no united front in Turkey either. There are at least two parties in Syria. Because of this, they merge everything in the conditions when fate gave a chance. Iraqi Kurds merged Kirkuk and partially autonomy (the right to independently dispose of deposits). Syrian merged Afrin and most likely will merge Rozhava. Erdogan will go to the end until he is convinced that the Syrian Kurds are under tight control. Him personally or Assad.
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 11 October 2019 19: 37
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        Quote: Warrior2015
        But personally, it’s a little strange for me why the official Damascus and the Kurds weren’t able to agree, despite the obvious attempts by the Kurds on this issue, and the remarks made by Assad, like from Russia, that it needs to be better and softer.

        Because Damascus needs to preserve a single country, and the Kurds want independence. As far as I remember, Assad was ready to agree on a part of a certain autonomy, but they did not want to rely on the United States.
  20. no better place for
    no better place for 12 October 2019 11: 12
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    The author is strikingly hypocritical. Teenagers write and women take up arms about sweat when they are killed they become civilians
  21. no better place for
    no better place for 12 October 2019 11: 15
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    Frank disinformation. Rpk is considered a terrorist organization in the us and in europe. They didn’t take anything
  22. no better place for
    no better place for 12 October 2019 11: 20
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    Reinforced concrete logic. There will be more civilian casualties because women and adolescents will take up arms. What kind of civilians are these? Does anyone check the authors for adequacy?
  23. no better place for
    no better place for 12 October 2019 11: 35
    0
    The article is not analysis but propaganda. Visitors to the Kurds had to fight with the army of Assad. I didn’t have to. They squeezed out oil-bearing areas with the help of Americans and expelled the local Arab population under the pretext of fighting the igil
  24. vvp2412
    vvp2412 12 October 2019 22: 13
    0
    As for the choice by the Kurds of the Americans as allies and patrons, so what was left to do in the situation when three forces had to confront at once - the terrorists, the Syrian government forces of Bashar Assad and neighboring Turkey?

    What was to be done? Ale !? The choice was between Russia and the United States. Only the Kurds, like suckers were led by the promises of the United States to create Kurdistan .... But Russia did not promise this. She needs a complete Syria, and the United States wanted to break Syria.
    The Kurds laughed. Like the Ukrainians ... Now let them disentangle. They have one way - to give up autonomy, to recognize Assad’s power, and then Turkey will be stopped. Not earlier. That is why Syria itself is now beneficial for Turkey to clean up the autonomy of the Kurds. This is a common interest. Only Assad cannot do this. Otherwise, it is an endless continuation of the civil war. Given that there is so little strength left ...
    And Turkey can do it. And what's more, I'm glad to do it. Now this Turkish invasion benefits everyone. Even to the Americans. There is a reason to dump from Syria, especially without losing face ...
  25. Karislav
    Karislav 16 October 2019 09: 02
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    sky trump with Erdogan