Turkish Air Force strikes Kamyshly’s self-proclaimed capital of Syrian Kurdistan

From the northeast of Syria, which the Kurds living there call the Rojava area, fresh reports of the military operation that the Turkish Air Force and ground forces, along with their allies from the so-called Syrian Free Army (SSA), continue to come.




Among News last hours - Turkish aviation inflicts missile and bomb attacks on the city of Ras al Ain (the Kurdish version is Serikaniye) and its environs. The city is located in close proximity to the Turkish border in the province of Hasek.

The picture shows that the sky above the city in black smoke, which rises after the Turkish airstrikes.

The city, which Syrian Kurds consider their capital (the capital of Syrian Kurdistan, which earlier, in 2014, was proclaimed by the Kurds themselves an autonomous region within the SAR - called the Democratic Federation of Northern Syria) is also being hit by Turkish aviation. We are talking about the 200-thousandth (with suburbs) Kamyshly, which is also located in the province of Hasek, near the Turkish border.


In the frames you can see how several objects are burning in this city.

Meanwhile, mobilization is being carried out in the Kurdish regions of northern Syria. Men are given weapon. At the same time, on Turkish television channels, demonstrating these shots, they say that people "do not specifically change civilian clothes for camouflage, so that later, if they die, the command could accuse the Turkish troops of attacks on the civilian population."


Against this background, five European countries demanded the urgent convening of the UN Security Council. We are talking about countries such as Germany, France, Britain, Belgium and Poland. The UN Secretary General, meanwhile, called on Turkey to restrain. The same wording was used by the Secretary General of NATO - the alliance of which Turkey is a member.
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  1. voyaka uh 9 October 2019 20: 54 New
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    Against a regular army with tanks you won’t get a lot of light weapons.
    Kurds will be forced to retreat from border areas.
    1. anjey 9 October 2019 20: 58 New
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      Apparently a few Yankees put weapons to the Kurds, except for the easy shooting, do you think they have nothing ??? Do not believe the magicians bringing gifts laughing
      1. PalBor 9 October 2019 21: 40 New
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        There is a lot of ATGM. But did it help them in Afrin? Yes, and air defense except MANPADS no. And the Turks let the “green” go forward, they are not sorry, and then Turkish armor and army men finish off the exhausted Kurds. After all, it’s already passed that you come up with the idea that the Turks will “wash themselves with blood” ...
        In addition, I repeat once again: there is no task of capturing the entire Rojava, the goal is to isolate and force the sophisticated Kurds to agree to the conditions of Turkey, and, you will be surprised, Assad.
        1. Paranoid50 9 October 2019 21: 50 New
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          Quote: PalBor
          the goal is to isolate and force the sophisticated Kurds to agree to the conditions of Turkey, and, you will be surprised, Assad.

          In this case, Erdogan was used as a "kraken", who was released on the obstinate. yes And, characteristically, the mattresses moved aside. In the literal sense, they removed their forces from the area of ​​the coming DB from sin away. Thus, the Kurds now have everything as in the song Nalich: "Lost and Forgotten". recourse
          Well, rightly so, because the nefig was wagging like a maritime boat.
          But, after all, they were warned ... am
          1. PalBor 9 October 2019 22: 11 New
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            In! You are absolutely right. And by the way, not Vanga (God forbid), but I’m almost sure that the Asadites and ours will soon begin active actions against Nusra. Erdogan, as I understand it, did not drag them under his wing and now he waved his hand. We and Iran allow him to arrange a smoke-free zone along the border for 35-40 km., And he looks through his fingers at the destruction of the Nusrovites who joined in Idlib and in the north of Latakia. The only thing he insists is not to touch the pro-Turkish militants, such as the remains of Ahrar al-Sham.
            And there it will be seen yes
            1. Paranoid50 9 October 2019 22: 25 New
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              Quote: PalBor
              like the remnants of Ahrar al-Sham.

              Well, these are no longer interesting to anyone, for they are not a real force, and the same nosrachs regularly take them away.
              1. PalBor 9 October 2019 22: 40 New
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                Not, well, the Turks will use them and all sorts of unfinished SSA soldiers as cannon fodder. Commanders will even get some kind of preferences. Even the information passed a year ago, when several bosses from Ahrar stole money from Turkish and British, if I am not mistaken, help and left for Turechchina. One opened several cafes, and the other a hotel in the resort, where it joyfully hosts, among other Russian tourists. E-mine, and laughter, and sin.
                1. Paranoid50 9 October 2019 23: 31 New
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                  Quote: PalBor
                  Commanders will even get some kind of preferences.

                  Here is the best thing for their commanders in such situations (if they are not repulsed fanatics) -
                  it is to dissolve on planet Earth with what has already been earned (plundered).
                  Quote: PalBor
                  and laughter and sin.

                  Just a reasonable, business approach. laughing Nothing shines for the rest, only disposal through jihad (unless, of course, this was the main goal). yes
      2. seregatara1969 9 October 2019 21: 55 New
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        Can Danians not to believe?
      3. svp67 10 October 2019 09: 06 New
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        Quote: anjey
        Apparently a few Yankees put weapons to the Kurds, except for the easy shooting, do you think they have nothing ??? Do not believe the magicians bringing gifts

        The Americans give out just so much that they would not die, that the Kurds, that the same Ukrainians, that other "undemocratic" peoples. Now the only way for the Kurds is to abandon all claims to independence, recognize Assad’s authority and invite Russia to Kamyshly to a DIFFERENT air base ...
    2. Ramzaj99 9 October 2019 20: 58 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Against a regular army with tanks you won’t get a lot of light weapons.
      Kurds will be forced to retreat from border areas.

      Amerikos left them a lot of tasty, besides easy. Turks will soon get bogged down ....
    3. novel66 9 October 2019 21: 00 New
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      Yes, and with the support of aviation .. Kurds need to be partisans
    4. Lekxnumx 9 October 2019 21: 11 New
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      The Kurds will retreat and begin to partisan, that’s what they can do. It’s not enough to conquer a certain territory, it’s harder to control
      1. Warrior2015 9 October 2019 21: 38 New
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        Quote: Lek3338
        The Kurds will retreat and begin to partisan, that’s what they can do. It’s not enough to conquer a certain territory, it’s harder to control

        Where is the partisan? This is not Turkish Kurdistan, there are almost no mountains, so there are hilly treeless plains and semi-deserts, and there are no large cities either.
        1. Lekxnumx 9 October 2019 22: 28 New
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          Quote: Warrior2015
          Where is the partisan? This is not Turkish Kurdistan, there are almost no mountains, so there are hilly treeless plains and semi-deserts, and there are no large cities either.

          The term guerrillas is not associated with a specific geographical specificity. Although we call this a group maneuver, with the sympathy of the local population and portable weapons, you can make daring sorties, even under the condition of "full" control. This is what the Kurds do for about forty years in Turkey and not only in densely populated by Kurds, but also in other regions. In general, the concept of war has changed completely. Recently I witnessed a fight between Kurds and Turks in Baku, and I’ll tell you among the Kurds there were Turks and among the crowd of Turks there are Kurds. There are a lot of nuances, in this liquidation, of course, you can attribute it to everyday life, but as an eyewitness, I will ask a transnational question. I personally saw a fair-haired “Turkish” nationalist instigator, and an opponent of Asian appearance “Kurd”. From the side it looked more than dumb, but there was no desire to tell them about anthropology. how confused there, we are the product of our environment.
          1. Yeraz 9 October 2019 22: 49 New
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            Quote: Lek3338
            Oh, how confused there, we are a product of our environment.

            in the Russian media space everything is presented as stupidly and rudely as possible. all the Kurds are against the Turks. Although this is completely different.
            I myself was subject to this propaganda until I met a young Kurd who said I am Kurd and am proud of it, and then took a paper to draw the Crescent and said, I am ready to give my life for this symbol and for Turkey. This is my country, the homeland of Muslims. I was shocked.
            and then, when the number of different nations from Turkey became more familiar, I understood that the Kurds are all against the Turks, oh, how misleading. There are Turks sympathizing with the PAC.
            1. Vadivak 9 October 2019 22: 59 New
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              Quote: Yeraz
              in the Russian media space everything is presented as stupidly and rudely as possible. all the Kurds against the Turks

              Very in Erbil, Turks are loved and afraid
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      2. Altai72 10 October 2019 07: 36 New
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        Yeah, exactly, there are forests and swamps just like in Ukraine and Belarus.
    5. eagle owl 9 October 2019 21: 13 New
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      Well, well ... New Russia has already shown. Yes, and you can see the Hussites, long bending down the same-regular army
      1. Lopatov 9 October 2019 21: 20 New
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        Quote: Uhu
        Well, well ... New Russia has already shown. Yes, and you can see the Hussites, long bending down the same-regular army

        And Ukraine and the Saudis still should not be compared with the constantly warring Turkey.
        Moreover, I’m not sure that there will be any great power behind the Kurds in the war with Turkey. Type of Russia or Iran.
        1. SOVIET UNION 2 10 October 2019 01: 13 New
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          Question. What is the purpose of supporting the Kurds? All their autonomy lies exactly on the oil fields. On the one hand, the creation of Kurdistan and cooperation with it can bring good money. First, cheap oil from impoverished areas, then assistance in recovery. On the other hand, it is a revision of borders. On the third hand, what will the interested parties have and what will they lose?
          1. ProkletyiPirat 10 October 2019 01: 59 New
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            Well, the Russian Federation as a state doesn’t have any sense at all harnessing to other people's oil fields, our "oil tycoons" are harnessing the same way "I want to free then, I agree to help, but I don’t intend to harness", because harnessing and getting haemorrhages and even losses due to cheapening oil is trite stupid.
            From this side, it’s kind of “kind of like” that a mess and high oil prices are beneficial there, but again, if you figure it out again, “I want to free then, I agree to help you, but I don’t intend to harness it,” and you have to use zero sense otherwise.
            Another thing is the United States, the EU and whose transnational tricks are united by a lack of power, resources and profits, they have a motive and are trying to stir up something.

            for the Russian Federation the main thing:
            Since the Russian Federation is a secular multi-religious state, therefore methods based on religions can be used against us, therefore, it is not profitable for us to appear and / or to exist and / or support pro-religious states whose religions are present on the territory of the Russian Federation.
            1. SOVIET UNION 2 10 October 2019 02: 22 New
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              As for religions, I agree. But the issue with oil. Production, delivery and quality are different from all Russian. And if I'm not mistaken, then oil production there, it costs us no more than production in the north. Even buying imported oil rigs. In addition to oil, there are also loans. Is it in vain that the stripes are so sick with lending? Why do not Russia make money on loans? Of course we will take in kind (oil, gas). And drive into the ruins of loans, just spit! Well, if there is nothing there, then loans are needed for everything! And for water intake and treatment, and for discharge and treatment. And for transport. Do we need to raise our car factories? And with them the accompanying production? We need sources of electricity, which means we need to raise the construction industry and roads! We need railways, rails, cars, locomotives. Yes, a lot of things. Look at that Crimea is small. But the investment required a lot. Immediately buns just unmeasured! With a smart approach of course. hi
          2. Lopatov 10 October 2019 11: 04 New
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            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            Question. What is the purpose of supporting the Kurds?

            There are no such goals.
            As shown by numerous practice, any support for terrorists goes sideways.
      2. novel66 9 October 2019 21: 22 New
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        Turks are not Saudis guys serious
    6. Nyrobsky 9 October 2019 22: 22 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Against a regular army with tanks you can’t get a lot of light weapons

      Hussites prove the opposite
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Kurds will be forced to retreat from border areas.

      Definitely, the Kurdish population in the border areas will be diluted with two million Syrian refugees who will be returned from Turkey.
    7. mvmptzna 9 October 2019 22: 47 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Against a regular army with tanks you won’t get a lot of light weapons.
      Kurds will be forced to retreat from border areas.

      Forced already, more than once. But besides the Kurds, there’s still no way to live for anyone (no one is in a hurry).
      They will retreat, become partisan, there is a lot of space there. If time was not wasted in vain, then since the last Turkish operation many approaches could be mined. Where and how to blow up - only they know. And the Turks will not extend the campaign by aviation, bombing cities - the Kurds have already left them, and the world is not happy with the number of refugees. They will retreat to the same Turkey or Iraq. Then come back.
    8. g1v2 10 October 2019 00: 03 New
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      The Hussites are coping. request And if the Kurds retreat from the border, they will end up on Arab lands. All Kurdish NPs are near the border with Turkey. The Arabs are already angry at discrimination and forced recruitment by the Kurds, and they will be massacred for two times. Again, the Sultan clearly aims to change the demography of the region, having resettled refugees from Idlib on the Kurdish lands and so on. Probably, militants of pro-Turkish groups will also be accommodated there. And this means that powerful ethnic cleansing awaits the Kurds.
      1. SOVIET UNION 2 10 October 2019 01: 18 New
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        Like Erdogan wants to have his own Crimea? Syria will not mind? Does Russia support Turkey? What about Iraq? Who will support the Kurds and what will be of it?
        1. g1v2 11 October 2019 01: 10 New
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          Erdogan does not want to have his Taiwan or Ukraine. Therefore, Kurdish independence will be cut to the root under the applause of all neighbors - Iraq, Syria and Iran. So far, the Turks have forgotten about territorial claims against Syria. Although the claim to influence in northern Syria. But the Turks intend to change the demography of this part of the country radically. And to the Kurds Europe and the rest of the West will express their condolences and send humanitarian aid. Maybe the weapons will still be thrown, but against the second NATO army this is not an option. Turks have been fighting for centuries - they are not afraid of blood. Especially a stranger. hi
    9. svp67 10 October 2019 09: 03 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Against a regular army with tanks you won’t get a lot of light weapons.

      In Yemen, this formula gives a big glitch.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Kurds will be forced to retreat from border areas.

      And where? Another refugee people, there are few Palestinians there?
  2. Livonetc 9 October 2019 20: 55 New
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    The militia very often fought in civilian clothes.
    The Turks apparently conceived to fight simply by erasing settlements in the dust
    Since traditionally they are afraid to storm.
    1. Lopatov 9 October 2019 20: 57 New
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      Quote: Livonetc
      Since traditionally they are afraid to storm.

      Because they need a “buffer zone” along their own border.
      1. novel66 9 October 2019 21: 01 New
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        why their own Kurds are silent ...
        1. Lopatov 9 October 2019 21: 02 New
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          Quote: novel xnumx
          why their own Kurds are silent ...

          And they will be silent if they do not want even more tightening of the nuts.
          1. novel66 9 October 2019 21: 03 New
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            Well, where then is Kurdistan ?? if each on its own
            1. Lopatov 9 October 2019 21: 06 New
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              Quote: novel xnumx
              Well, where then is Kurdistan ??

              And he never was. Only the Kurdish terrorists have the international there.

              And so the Turkish want peace of mind, the Iraqi want to steal oil from Baghdad, the Syrian autonomies or branches and the Iranian ones so that they are not remembered about them in Tehran.
        2. Terenin 9 October 2019 21: 20 New
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          Quote: novel xnumx
          why their own Kurds are silent ...

          Who is against the operation of "peace and tranquility" (T. Erdogan) winked , especially under the name "Source of the world."
          Sorry for the Kurds.

          hi Roma
          1. novel66 9 October 2019 21: 23 New
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            Gene, hi not even sorry, you have to fight for your interests, no one will give them Kurdistan
            1. Terenin 9 October 2019 21: 40 New
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              Quote: novel xnumx
              Gene, hi not even sorry, you have to fight for your interests, no one will give them Kurdistan

              Yes, how Kurdish girls with weapons will be shown sad . Sorry for their youth. Now, poor things, and under the bombing.
              1. novel66 9 October 2019 22: 10 New
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                young and poor die for the interests of the old and rich ... they are not an exception, but yes, it’s a pity .. very sorry
          2. poquello 9 October 2019 21: 42 New
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            Quote: Terenin
            Sorry for the Kurds.

            and whether Russian-folk tales had to be read whether Pushkin's tales, so at least they would have been upgraded
          3. Orkraider 9 October 2019 21: 46 New
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            Genadiy, Roman, Greetings!
            hi
            Sorry for the Kurds.


            It is a pity, but they themselves chose their fate when they got in touch with the Americans and did not go along with Assad.

            March 2016
            In Syria, an old conflict broke out with renewed vigor between the central government in Damascus and the Kurds. The latter complain that they are not involved in the work on the new constitution of the country and in the peace negotiations, and therefore they are ready to boycott the upcoming elections. Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, in turn, opposed the autonomy of the Kurds and the federalization of the country

            April 2016
            the Kurds' hope for widespread federalization on the part of Damascus has not yet been justified. As a result, the Kurds announced their readiness to boycott the April 13 parliamentary elections set by Damascus.

            Only in 2018, cooling began between the US and the Kurdish SDF, but it’s too late for the Kurds ..

            So they reap the benefits, after choosing an ally ...
            1. Terenin 9 October 2019 22: 12 New
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              Quote: Orkraider
              Genadiy, Roman, Greetings!
              hi
              Sorry for the Kurds.


              It is a pity, but they themselves chose their fate when they got in touch with the Americans and did not go along with Assad.

              March 2016
              In Syria, an old conflict broke out with renewed vigor between the central government in Damascus and the Kurds. The latter complain that they are not involved in the work on the new constitution of the country and in the peace negotiations, and therefore they are ready to boycott the upcoming elections. Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, in turn, opposed the autonomy of the Kurds and the federalization of the country

              April 2016
              the Kurds' hope for widespread federalization on the part of Damascus has not yet been justified. As a result, the Kurds announced their readiness to boycott the April 13 parliamentary elections set by Damascus.

              Only in 2018, cooling began between the US and the Kurdish SDF, but it’s too late for the Kurds ..

              So they reap the benefits, after choosing an ally ...

              hi
              Clear. Thank. But let's not rush. East is a delicate matter.
              In Soviet times, the Kurds were an ally of Moscow as participants in the national liberation movement. After the revolution, Azerbaijan created an autonomous Kurdish county, which went down in history under the name “Red Kurdistan”.
              1. Orkraider 9 October 2019 22: 18 New
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                But let's not rush. East is a delicate matter.

                That's for sure, I agree to all 100.
                Let's wait and see.
            2. Warrior2015 9 October 2019 23: 26 New
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              Quote: Orkraider
              It is a pity, but they themselves chose their fate when they got in touch with the Americans and did not go along with Assad.

              What is very strange for me personally, the official Damascus for all the years of the war did not offer ANYTHING to the Syrian Kurds, but to "return everything as it was" and did not give any share in the government, and even recently has not responded to anything about the separation of the East of Syria (which they had and still have under the American protectorate de facto), but simply about the broad autonomy integrated into the Syrian Arab Republic.

              The East is a delicate matter, and there everyone plays his own goal.
            3. SOVIET UNION 2 10 October 2019 01: 30 New
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              Apparently the caravans of golden donkeys work well! wassat The Slavs and the brothers chose a striped ally the other day, and Mishka Mecheny also beat his forehead! What can I say! The fate of the American Indians does not teach anyone. Everyone considers themselves the smartest and most cunning! That was then! And now everything is different! Is it different?
        3. poquello 9 October 2019 21: 38 New
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          Quote: novel xnumx
          why their own Kurds are silent ...

          own not own, but some Turkish city on the border fired
      2. SOVIET UNION 2 10 October 2019 01: 21 New
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        And why did Syria not suit them? It was so powerful buffer. And what will this buffer territory be? Who is the buffer from? From Syria?
        1. Lopatov 10 October 2019 11: 01 New
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          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          And why did Syria not suit them? It was so powerful buffer.

          Apparently, they were promised a "final decision". And they, after the United States and Europe, began to advocate the replacement of the "tyrant" with terrorists from the Muslim Brotherhood.

          But everything went wrong. And the terrorists did not win despite the support of the United States and the hangers-on, and the Kurds, on the contrary, intensified greatly. And they began to pose an even greater threat.

          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          Who is the buffer from? From Syria?

          They are now not starting to fight Syria.
  3. Chaldon48 9 October 2019 20: 58 New
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    It seems like in Krylov’s fable: “And Vaska is listening, but eating”
  4. Warrior2015 9 October 2019 20: 58 New
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    Well started. In the evening I saw from a report from there, in which they talked about Erdogan’s order to launch an invasion, flights of Turkish planes, but they did not strike. But still they started to bomb ...

    So far (as of the evening today), the Kurds are rapidly moving away from the border strip ...
    1. kventinasd 9 October 2019 21: 10 New
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      Quote: Warrior2015
      So far (as of the evening today), the Kurds are rapidly moving away from the border strip ...

      They don’t leave anything there.
      Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) Arab-Kurdish forces fired on the Turkish city of Nusaybin in response to Turkish air strikes, RIA Novosti reports. They also fired mortar shells at the Turkish border town of Jeylanpynar opposite the Syrian Ras al-Ain, as well as the position of the Turkish army opposite the Syrian city of al-Malikiya in the province of Hasek.
      1. Warrior2015 9 October 2019 21: 36 New
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        Quote: kventinasd
        reports RIA Novosti

        RIA Novosti can tell you a lot. ) While there is no resistance, and in most places, the Kurds are rolling back without fighting. Let's see what happens at night and tomorrow.

        Quote: kventinasd
        with mortar shells the Turkish border town of Jeylanpinar opposite the Syrian Ras al Ain
        In vain they did so, to touch civilians - “not com il fo”, “not patsansky”, the Turks contemplate even more.
  5. Thunderbolt 9 October 2019 21: 02 New
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    We have in the Samara region. there is a district center of Kamyshl. In Turkic, it is a reed river.
    1. Oquzyurd 9 October 2019 21: 26 New
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      Bulrush everywhere is kamysh, and grows everywhere)
    2. Terenin 9 October 2019 21: 27 New
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      Quote: Thunderbolt
      We have in the Samara region. there is a district center of Kamyshl. In Turkic, it is a reed river.

      hi
      And, here along the ancient trade route, just to those countries, there is Kamyshin - a city of regional significance in the Volgograd region
    3. protoss 9 October 2019 21: 45 New
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      Quote: Thunderbolt
      We have in the Samara region. there is a district center of Kamyshl. In Turkic, it is a reed river.

      in Turkic it's just "reed"
  6. bubalik 9 October 2019 21: 05 New
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    the capital of Syrian Kurdistan - Kamyshly
    ,,, flipped through the news, the eye caught, “bombing” ,, Kamyshly, belay Fathers, I think in our area? It turned out no.
  7. Stils 9 October 2019 21: 10 New
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    As a result, the Turks will receive a guerrilla war, incl. and in Turkey. The combat readiness and motivation of the Turkish army also remains in question
    1. Lopatov 9 October 2019 21: 29 New
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      Quote: Stils
      As a result, the Turks will receive a guerrilla war, incl. and in Turkey.

      At one time, the Iraqi Kurds could not arrange such a war. Despite the fact that the Turkish troops crossed the border for their exponential harassment repeatedly
    2. Warrior2015 9 October 2019 21: 31 New
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      Quote: Stils
      As a result, the Turks will receive a guerrilla war, incl. and in Turkey.

      Actually, it didn’t stop there for decades, if that. Actually, this was one of the reasons for the new aggression of Turkey.

      Now everyone is waiting for the reaction of Washington and Moscow, as well as Brussels and Damascus.

      Quote: Stils
      The combat readiness and motivation of the Turkish army also remains in question
      Well, I certainly better Kurds, who were able to fight the jihadists (which for them, why - to say a long time, in store only 2 exit - or death, or a life of slavery), but the regular army with heavy machinery and aircraft will not be able to resist.
      1. Igor Gul 9 October 2019 21: 43 New
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        Washington and Brussels (NATO) have already spoken out (they are against). Why is Moscow silent?
        1. Warrior2015 9 October 2019 21: 59 New
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          Quote: Igor Gul
          Washington and Brussels (NATO) have already spoken out (they are against). Why is Moscow silent?

          Not quite so - the United States and NATO have stated very carefully that they are generally opposed, but the Turks must be very careful not to injure any soldiers from their contingent or to suffer civilians.

          What Putin and Erdogan agreed at a recent meeting, we do not know.

          The reaction of official Damascus I personally do not yet understand - apparently, they are officially type against the invasion of the alleged their territory, but not the strength, and in general in fact they probably for the Turks diminished Kurdish demands for independence (although they have recently time requested only broad autonomy).
      2. SOVIET UNION 2 10 October 2019 01: 41 New
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        But Chechnya opposed Russia! And there was no victory. We concluded a peace agreement and helped Chechnya. And still helping. Who else will go this way? Turkey will help the Kurds? Or Syria? Or Iraq? Most of all, it seems Turkey is fighting the Kurds. What is more profitable for her? To fight or help financially the Kurds? Why is no one considering this outcome? Why is Erdogan not taking this step? Putin has taken such a step with the Chechens. Why is Erdogan with the Kurds not allowed?
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          But Chechnya opposed Russia! And there was no victory. We concluded a peace agreement and helped Chechnya.
          There was no victory because of the corrupt leadership in Moscow, which constantly impeded the potentially successful operations of the federal troops. Thanks to Berezovsky, Yeltsin and their friends from the Ministry of Defense.
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            I will not argue about this. I agree.
        2. ProkletyiPirat 10 October 2019 16: 06 New
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          But Chechnya opposed Russia! And there was no victory. We concluded a peace agreement and helped Chechnya. ...
          To fight or help financially the Kurds? Why is no one considering this outcome? Why is Erdogan not taking this step? Putin has taken such a step with the Chechens. Why is Erdogan with the Kurds not allowed?

          In my opinion, you have the wrong point of view, It was not Putin who made peace with the Chechens, it is the wisest Chechens who made peace with Putin, and later they began to squeeze out their own and others “alternatively gifted”. And I call them wise because they "realized" that it is better not to have visible power but to have visible benefits than to have visible power but not have benefits. After all, it is one thing to yell from the stands that “we will have everything” and it’s quite another to calculate where the benefits of civilization come from and at what cost and how they will go in case of economic isolation (not to mention military and political isolation). Here, you don’t even have to go far for an example, in the past of the Caucasus it was already, a lot of tribes, economic isolation, power elites revel in their own power, go to rob their neighbors (north and west of the mountains), so they receive personal benefits due to poverty and death the bulk of their population, they cannot and do not want to develop their community. Another thing is that with the entry into the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR / Russia, Caucasian tribes freed up resources, mortality decreased, access to specialists and equipment appeared, as well as other resources. All this gave power and benefit to the people and deprived the clan elites of power, which they do not like, and therefore they are fighting intensely "for everything good against everything bad."
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            Thank you for the interesting answer! hi A pretty balanced comment.
    3. Oquzyurd 9 October 2019 21: 35 New
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      More motivated than the Turkish forces still need to be looked for, and the combat effectiveness has been honed over the many years of struggle (since 1983) in the mountains with the same Kurds. This is a huge, trained, well-armed army. Now, in addition, equipped with modern technology, from and to.
      1. ultra 9 October 2019 22: 13 New
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        Speech, Erdogan, do not you write? laughing
        1. Town Hall 9 October 2019 22: 14 New
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          Very similar. Agitprop is resting)
        2. Oquzyurd 9 October 2019 22: 49 New
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          Sometimes when asked yes
        3. Oquzyurd 9 October 2019 23: 08 New
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          Seriously, there are few such countries and people with the concept of Motherland as in Russia, but there is one of them, Turkey with similar concepts that every citizen has in his heart since childhood. Educating the Motherland Motherland mentality , the Turks have "Ana Vatan." They also have the famous phrase, "Soz konusu Vatansa, gerisi teferruatdir", translated, "If we are talking about the homeland, then everything else is small details" It is practically impossible to overcome such countries, nor by war, nor terrorism. And for such countries, even weapons are secondary, since weapons that are tied to their homeland are stronger Judi. The Arab countries do not have such a mentality, since they have developed tribal relations and for the reason that they are always open to occupation. There is no protective, mental immunity.
          1. SOVIET UNION 2 10 October 2019 01: 46 New
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            Oh well! Words are certainly good. But why is it that what they fought against in the 41st surrendered in the 91st? And now we have two and three citizenships. Then they tried not to let go, today we invite. Immunity gone?
      2. Sky strike fighter 9 October 2019 23: 17 New
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        Quote: Oquzyurd
        More motivated than the Turkish forces still need to be looked for, and the combat effectiveness has been honed over the many years of struggle (since 1983) in the mountains with the same Kurds. This is a huge, trained, well-armed army. Now, in addition, equipped with modern technology, from and to.

        Check out the description of the Turkish army.
        Therefore, the number of Turkish armed forces relative to the population - at the beginning of 2016 it is about 443 thousand people, now, after the purges and reductions, after the attempted military coup, this is already about 400 thousand (all figures excluding civilian personnel, without the gendarmerie and coast guard) - even less than the relative strength of the Russian Armed Forces.

        The basis for recruitment remains the call. As of November 2016, in the Turkish Armed Forces, there were about 193 thousand privates of military service and only 15,7 thousand privates recruited by contract. This is somewhat offset by the numerous professional non-commissioned officer corps, numbering more than 66 thousand people. However, it is obvious that we have a mass conscript army with all the shortcomings of such a system in modern conditions.
        The experience of the participation of the Turkish army in the intervention in Syria since August 2016 (Operation Euphrates Shield) indicates a low level of training of personnel, especially at lower levels, and the lack of technical equipment of the troops. Apparently, there are problems with personnel motivation.

        https://m.lenta.ru/articles/2017/03/07/remove
        1. Yeraz 9 October 2019 23: 33 New
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          already about 400 thousand (all figures excluding civilian personnel, without the gendarmerie and coast guard) - even less than the relative strength of the Russian Armed Forces.

          Yes, only Turkey is many times smaller than the Russian Federation and these 400 thousand are more mobile
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          The experience of the participation of the Turkish army in the intervention in Syria since August 2016 (Operation Euphrates Shield) indicates a low level of training of personnel, especially at lower levels, and the lack of technical equipment of the troops. Apparently, there are problems with personnel motivation.

          in the Shield of the Euphrates there were problems that were taken into account and the Olive branch was much more successful, although the goals were achieved in the Shield of the Euphrates.
          And with Turetskaya’s motivation, everything is fine.
        2. Oquzyurd 9 October 2019 23: 34 New
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          I know the position of their army from Turkish sources, since I know Turkish. Here https://m.lenta.ru is a superficial and largely inaccurate account of the state of affairs. For an example, I will cite one fact that the Turks over the past 4 years have increased the number of professional special units, there were 9 (brigades sharpened specifically for operations against the PKK, etc.), now 17.
          1. Town Hall 9 October 2019 23: 37 New
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            I know the position of their army from Turkish sources

            Me too. About once every 10 years, a military coup is arranged.
            Coup in Turkey:

            Coup d'etat in Turkey (1960)
            Coup d'etat in Turkey (1971)
            Coup d'etat in Turkey (1980)
            The alleged military coup in Turkey (1993)
            Military Memorandum in Turkey (1997)
            Attempted military coup in Turkey (2016)
          2. Sky strike fighter 9 October 2019 23: 58 New
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            I know the position of their army from Turkish sources, since I know Turkish.

            Do you think they are objective? And they will show the real picture, and not embellish everything? After all, in Turkey it is not customary to scold Erdogan and the military commanders close to him, you can go to jail, where many journalists criticizing him have already ended up.
            1. Oquzyurd 10 October 2019 18: 03 New
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              There are independent analysts and analysts in Turkey, there is opposition and their publications. There are TV programs that analyze all the pros and cons to the bone. There are many sources to make a correct conclusion about the situation. Yes, there were some problems, since there were a lot of arrested people and dismissed officers. But on the other hand, there were many returned officers dismissed by Feto’s hands long before the coup attempt. Even when the army had problems after the coup attempt, they managed to carry out 2 successful operations, (2016-2018) El Babe, then in Afrin. In 2019, Turkey has already overcome the difficulties of “echoing the coup,” with few exceptions. But Turkey’s main achievement over the past decades is that they drastically reduced their dependence on external arms supplies and supplies. 2003, they produced only 25-28% of military products at home. Now this figure reaches 70%, and separately the position on supplies, from bullets, shells to rockets, produce about 90%. And it is interesting that they themselves produce sometimes better, more modern, and more technologically than they bought. they are now in arms me ie subject to the sanctions, do not depend on the whim of the supplier.
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        Quote: Oquzyurd
        More motivated than the Turkish troops, still need to search

        How many thousands of generals and officers have Erdogan arrested / expelled from the army / humiliated after the next military coup?
        1. SOVIET UNION 2 10 October 2019 01: 52 New
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          Interesting. And where did they go then and where did they go? All expelled changed their flag and homeland? This question is somehow not covered anywhere. But situational decisions are interesting. Such a situation is possible in any country. How does it end for rioters?
    4. poquello 9 October 2019 21: 47 New
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      Quote: Stils
      As a result, the Turks will receive a guerrilla war, incl. and in Turkey. The combat readiness and motivation of the Turkish army also remains in question

      it would agree, only the Kurds of foreign territories were assaulted, especially not on their land
    5. Yeraz 9 October 2019 22: 52 New
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      As a result, the Turks will receive a guerrilla war, incl. and in Turkey. The combat readiness and motivation of the Turkish army also remains in question

      ahhaah. Bagdasarov said the same thing about Afrin, we see the result.
      And with the fighting efficiency and especially with the motivation of the Turkish army, everything is fine. They are constantly invading Iraq, they smoked with Afrin and right now everything will be the same.
      1. Stils 9 October 2019 23: 41 New
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        Quote: Yeraz
        Quote: Stils
        As a result, the Turks will receive a guerrilla war, incl. and in Turkey. The combat readiness and motivation of the Turkish army also remains in question

        ahhaah. Bagdasarov said the same thing about Afrin, we see the result.
        And with the fighting efficiency and especially with the motivation of the Turkish army, everything is fine.

        The Euphrates shield in 2016 suggests otherwise. And after Erdogan miserably lost the election in Istanbul, dispersed and landed thousands of officers, his authority in the army, I think, was pretty much undermined
        In any case, the strengthening of the Turks in the north-east of Syria is not beneficial to the United States, nor Russia, nor to any Kurds, and no one else would have. Yes, they will be able to grab something, but at some point military assistance will follow, this is obvious.
        1. SOVIET UNION 2 10 October 2019 01: 56 New
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          It turns out that the Kurdish sponsors spoiled the situation? Or is the situation created specifically? To reduce the number of Kurds? It turns out the livestock cut several sides? Sponsors, Turks, and Kurds themselves commit suicide?
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            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            It turns out that the Kurdish sponsors spoiled the situation? Or is the situation created specifically? To reduce the number of Kurds? It turns out the livestock cut several sides? Sponsors, Turks, and Kurds themselves commit suicide?

            Geopolitics is "slightly" harder than the answers to your questions. And the Kurds are simply hostages, a bargaining chip in the hands of politicians. And what do you think the Turks cannot take a step without the knowledge of the states, Russia and anyone else? Turkey is too conveniently geographically located and the Turks very competently use this in dialogue with the states, Russia,
            EU Nobody is going to fight with them over the Kurds, but no one will destroy them and clean them up.
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              In general, I agree with the comment, except for the latter. If the Turks will smash the Kurds, Russia will stand up for the Kurds? Or the EU? The situation is somehow ambiguous.
        2. Warrior2015 11 October 2019 12: 18 New
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          Quote: Stils
          And after Erdogan miserably lost the election in Istanbul, dispersed and landed thousands of officers, his authority in the army, I think, was pretty much undermined

          In fact, everything is more complicated there. In the Turkish army historically there are various groups originating from different social strata - and against Erdogan there were leaders of the Air Force and special units, from elite strata, and ordinary army officers were much more for him.

          Moreover, after cleaning the army structures, the share of highly loyal officers increased and for Erdogan the “small victorious war” will be very relevant.

          The same with regard to voters - part of the elite classes and most of the intelligentsia oppose Erdogan, but for him - most of the ordinary Turks, with whom he constantly repeats about Turkey, which he raised from his knees, about cunning enemies from the West and the East, and which need to be demonstrated the strength of their army (the costs of which are growing from year to year significantly).
  8. Binder 9 October 2019 21: 34 New
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    I would like to wish the Kurds military success in their struggle against the Turkish invaders.
    1. Dym71 9 October 2019 22: 09 New
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      I would like to wish the Kurds military success in their struggle against the Turkish invaders.

      In Pontagon, such a poster must be hung at the entrance
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        And what does the Ponto race have to do with it?
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          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          And what does the Ponto race have to do with it?

          General James Mattis "Raging Dog":
          Kurds will receive as many weapons as they ask (s)
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            Let's look at the development of the situation.
    2. Warrior2015 11 October 2019 12: 19 New
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      Quote: Bindyuzhnik
      I would like to wish the Kurds military luck in their struggle against the Turkish invaders

      Be sure to wish! And we wish the Turks good luck in the fight against Kurdish terrorists! And let's go have a cup of tea and look at this nice picture - someone from a Russian gallery, and someone from a stall in Hmeimim! good
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  10. mvmptzna 9 October 2019 22: 52 New
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    I hope someday the southern mountainous provinces of Turkey will rise and form the basis of Kurdistan. The terrain there is mountainous, no worse than Afghanistan, the Turks will still break their teeth about it.

    Success to the Kurds in the war against the Turkish invaders.
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      Even if they “rise”, they will not last long without outside support. And no one will support the Kurds.
      1. Cetron 10 October 2019 00: 09 New
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        He worked in the volost Administrative Commission, they examined the case of one taxi driver: a trifle, engine oil leaked and dripped onto the asphalt. Municipalities drafted a protocol - a maximum fine of 30 Heb. They talked for life, and in particular, he said that Kurds appeared in Riga.
        - So how is it?
        - Worse gypsies, weep!
        A small clarification is the Gypsy taxi driver.
    2. Troll 10 October 2019 00: 01 New
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      Their problem is their clan-tribal structure. And because of this, they are non-negotiable and, as a result, they will be beaten by all and sundry. And also because of this, they never built their state.
      1. SOVIET UNION 2 10 October 2019 02: 01 New
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        In Russia, too, the tribal and clan system. Bye hold on!
    3. Grits 10 October 2019 04: 08 New
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      Quote: mvmptzna
      Success to the Kurds in the war against the Turkish invaders.

      And you do not want to call the Kurds occupiers after they took advantage of the opportunity (the weakness of the SAA) to find a significant territory for themselves? Territory in Dayr Ez-Zor. When, when they saw the advance of the SAA with the support of Russia, in the most vile way, hiding behind the Americans, they practically without any fights advanced towards the Syrian army along the Euphrates. And they practically occupied these lands, on which they have not lived since ancient times, but Arabs live there. But the land smells very oil.
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        And you do not want to call the Kurds occupiers after they took advantage of the opportunity (the weakness of the SAA) to find a significant territory for themselves?

        Well, the question is complicated, not quite so. Part of the Kurds there is actually the Syrian Kurds and Arabs from the SDF, who live on their land. But the Kurds from other places - yes, the question. But the Turks are definitely occupiers there (this territory has not been Turkish since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire).
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        And they practically occupied these lands, on which they have not lived since ancient times, but Arabs live there.
        - This is from what kind of tree Arabs live there? Kurds in this region are indigenous people and live there longer than anyone who surrounds them now.
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          - This is from what kind of tree Arabs live there? Kurds in this region are indigenous people and live there longer than anyone who surrounds them now.

          Well, then, for 1300 years, did the Arabs not become an indigenous people there? and if to this number of Arabs we add the inhabitants of Mesopotamia mixed with them? If you dig for thousands of years, then as if the Kurds suddenly became unclear where the nomads came from.
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            Well, the Arabs then for 1300 years in your opinion did not become an indigenous people there?

            In relation to the Kurds - no, they didn’t. Kurds in this region live continuously much earlier than everyone and, unlike everyone else only they are there formed as a people.
  11. Adimius38 9 October 2019 23: 18 New
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    they also beat the Kurds in the Kremlin, you see there is something for which Erdogan most likely received the tacit consent of the Kremlin to his actions
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      Geo 10 October 2019 01: 26 New
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      the Kurds were beaten and in the Kremlin, there is something to see

      I even know why laughing . For the Turkish stream and the profits of its beneficiaries
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      This is a sensitive issue. Or Syria within its former borders, or independent Kurdistan. But Iraq is against independent Kurdistan. Rosneft for. Not so simple under the moon.
    3. Grits 10 October 2019 04: 10 New
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      tacit consent of the Kremlin to its actions

      I think that because of the vile actions of the Kurds in Diz Ez-Zor upon his release, the Kremlin decided in this way to avenge the Kurds for intransigence. And rightly so.
      1. Ros 56 10 October 2019 08: 26 New
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        Well, and you have jargon, "revenge", Putin would have fired you for such phrases by inconsistency. It was necessary to write diplomatically - the Kremlin pointed out to these comrades the wrong position taken by their leadership. negative lol hi
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          Quote: Ros 56
          Well, and you have jargon, "revenge", Putin would have fired you for such phrases by inconsistency. It was necessary to write diplomatically - the Kremlin pointed out to these comrades the wrong position taken by their leadership.

          In this regard, I recalled the old Soviet joke about how a young diplomat wrote a note of protest to the African president. Unfortunately, the site’s rules do not allow it to be brought in full with all idiomatic turns. smile
  12. Laksamana besar 9 October 2019 23: 34 New
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    The ground operation has already begun:
    "The Turkish armed forces and the militants of the Syrian National Army (SNA), as part of Operation Source of Peace, launched a ground attack in the east of the Euphrates River in Syria.
    The main forces of the pro-Turkish groups of SNA crossed the border in three sections.
    The first strike group entered the border city of Tal Abyad and engaged in battles with the local Kurdish garrison of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDS).
    The second vanguard of SNA militants crossed the border and moved to the city of Ras Al Ain. A total of about 10-11 thousand fighters are involved. "- Ministry of National Defense of Turkey.
  13. Troll 9 October 2019 23: 53 New
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    Presumably, it was necessary at the time to negotiate with Assad and go under his wing.
    1. Warrior2015 10 October 2019 23: 22 New
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      Presumably, it was necessary at the time to negotiate with Assad and go under his wing.

      I have already said above that the Assad government had some kind of strange position - they did not agree to provide some kind of broad autonomy de facto already from their power in the Kursk and SDF-off provinces. And now, despite the official rejection of the Turkish invasion, they are probably quite satisfied with the process (on the one hand).
  14. Saul_Rhen 10 October 2019 00: 58 New
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    This situation, if not strange, is completely in the interests of Russia. Clash of interests among NATO members, weakening Kurds, chopping off a very sickly piece of Syria under the guise of states. It will be interesting to look at the development of events.
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      Geo 10 October 2019 01: 43 New
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      Quote: Saul_Rhen
      the situation, if not strange, is completely in the interests of Russia

      Over the past five years, we already know:
      1. Whatever happens is in the interests of Russia ("experts" will explain).
      2. Any leader of any adversary state - inexorably loses to Putin party after party.
      3. No matter what happens in the world (oil is getting cheaper, the US is getting more expensive, the US economy is growing, the US economy is falling, the world is optimistic, the world is in crisis, etc. etc.) the ruble always falls just in case.
      1. Saul_Rhen 10 October 2019 14: 13 New
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        Are you adequate? I have indicated what exactly is the benefit for Russia from such actions by Turkey. I can add, if necessary. Are you capable of saying without agitation that there is something negative for us?
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          You are only a victim of an imposed model of thinking.

          NATO members have nothing to share with the Kurds - the USA got what they wanted. Now Turkey will receive. The United States will not interfere with this, maximum: they will benefit from the fact that Turkey will become kind of their debtor, after the implementation of its intentions. All.

          Kurds are a counterbalance to Turkey (whichever is what). Weakening Kurds = strengthening Turkey. Do we like it?

          Are you interested in watching the war? Absolutely lost from reality? Do you think this is all happening on TV?
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            nothing to share
            So already divided.
            Kurds are a counterweight not only to Turkey, but also to the Syrian government. Strengthening Turkey due to such steps is highly unlikely. But the weakening of the US position in the region because of this is a very tangible +.
            Weakening Kurds - plus more. Now they, with the support of the states, have actually created their own state, seizing the excess and not intending to give. Assad, objectively, does not have the strength to restore the integrity of the country in such realities. If Erdogan fulfills his plan, then the Kurds will become much more accommodating.
            And why can't I be interested in looking at the war? Doesn’t it fit into your hypocritical consciousness? What is my reason for worrying about this?
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  • Volunteer 10 October 2019 01: 22 New
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    I never had sympathy for Kurds. My grandfather, a Cossack of the 2nd Ust Labinsk Regiment, met with them in the Great War and talked about what they were doing with the peaceful Armenian population. He told how the Kurds attacked them on camels and our two pack machine guns crushed this attack
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      Geo 10 October 2019 01: 52 New
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      Quote: Volunteer
      met them in the Great War

      Kurds and the Ust-Labinsk Cossack Regiment in WWII?

      Quote: Volunteer
      Cossack 2nd Ust Labinsk Regiment

      By the way, they are now living in 30 villages compactly in several villages in XNUMX km from Ust-Labinsk. The Circassians are unhappy, they say, but the Russians have no problems.
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      Quote: Volunteer
      I never had sympathy for Kurds. My grandfather, a Cossack of the 2 Ust Labinsky Regiment, met with them in the Great War and talked about what they did to the peaceful Armenian population.

      Yes, the Kurds have long been a significant part of the irregular cavalry of the Ottomans on the Asian Theater. And yes, they were distinguished simply by an incredible passion for robbery and unmotivated (actually motivated, but I will not tell you what) hatred of the civilian population.
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        Geo 11 October 2019 01: 33 New
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        I will not tell what

        And you not only tell what, but also tell about your sources, on which you make such conclusions.
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          And you not only tell what, but also tell about your sources, on which you make such conclusions.

          The question is long, very specific, and there will be a flood in this topic. And the "good memory" of the Kurdish cavalry in the Ottoman forces is well remembered even by the descendants of the civilian population of the Transcaucasian provinces of the Russian Empire.
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            Geo 11 October 2019 02: 30 New
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            Quote: Warrior2015
            The question is long

            Those. you have nothing to say.
            Quote: Warrior2015
            even the descendants of the civilian population of the Transcaucasian provinces of the Russian Empire remember the "good memory" of the Kurdish cavalry as part of the Ottoman forces.
            And on this issue, you prefer to send the interlocutor (to the Transcaucasian peoples) rather than withstand the answer.
  • YOUR 10 October 2019 03: 26 New
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    Meanwhile, the US is considering sanctions against Turkey. And it pleases Anyway, and Turkey will more and more break away from NATO.
  • Grits 10 October 2019 06: 04 New
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    Looking at these two cards you can see which Kurds are white and fluffy. you can clearly see where they live and what hapanuli


  • rocket757 10 October 2019 07: 29 New
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    Always so, they wanted to grab a piece of fat, obviously not their own, under the wing of the "big strong eagle" !!! And the eagle turned out to be a cunning turkey! P - shook his snot and dumped to the side.
    They were warned .....
  • alex-sherbakov48 10 October 2019 07: 48 New
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    Kurds want to sit on two chairs. At first, they spoke on the side of the ov, which means against Assad, and now, when these s threw them, they began to ask Assad for help, but they were warned that the United States was an unreliable ally.
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    And that the Kurds do not have MANPADS like our Eagles or American Stingers? Somehow strange striped helped them.
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      Please note, the loss of aviation compared to the same Afghanistan from MANPADS is much less. Conversely, anti-tank systems are presented in sufficient quantities. Which, in my opinion, indicates that the parties that have the opportunity to deliver these systems to the parties to the conflict decided not to supply this type of weapon, because it can work against the Russian Aerospace Forces as well as Turkey and the United States.
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  • Altai72 10 October 2019 10: 08 New
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    for many years of struggle (since 1983) in the mountains, with the same Kurds

    Actually, it would be more correct to say with PKK & PYD & PJAK. The Turks have no misunderstandings of the Turks, and so far no national incidents have occurred in Turkey on the basis of nationality. And those who are fighting against the Turks under the yellow flags, not all Kurds. Among them, oh how many nationalities, perhaps I will not announce. But in the Turkish army there are a huge number of Kurds who faithfully and faithfully do their duty. 35% of the dead military and police from 2000 to 2016 in confrontation with Kurdish rebels, as well as the result of terrorist acts committed by the PKK in Turkey are ethnic Kurds. The names of many of them are universities, hospitals, schools, cinemas, bridges, etc.
    1. V.I.F. 10 October 2019 14: 48 New
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      Turks have no misunderstandings with the Turks

      This is the same as saying: Kurds are actually Jews.
      The Turks have an "understanding" - with a small part of the Kurds.
      The Kurds have a small portion of Jewish blood in their veins.
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      and on the national sign in Turkey so far no incidents have occurred

      And the ban on broadcasting in Kurdish (which is just getting off the ground) - is this, in your opinion, not an incident? There are too many such “non-incidents” to not see them. So you - knowingly lying? What for?
      1. Altai72 11 October 2019 22: 33 New
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        Well, I will not argue with you, as it is immediately noticeable about your ignorance on this topic.
        1. V.I.F. 14 October 2019 09: 06 New
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          Well, I will not argue with you

          Of course. It is foolish to argue about whether Kurds are friends with the Turks. Enemies, of course.
          What do you want to say to these photos? What do several Kurds fight for Turkey? So let's remember the Janissary and say that Christians and Turks have always been best friends laughing .
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          More than 30 TV channels broadcast in Kurdish in Turkey

          Pulling satellite channels here is not from a big mind.
      2. Altai72 11 October 2019 22: 36 New
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        In Kurdish, Turkey broadcasts over 30 TV channels and about 100 FM radio. For your awareness!
    2. Oquzyurd 10 October 2019 17: 16 New
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      "Actually, it would be more correct to say with PKK & PYD & PJAK." You are right. This is the result of my carelessness.
  • Altai72 10 October 2019 10: 17 New
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    More motivated than the Turkish troops, still need to search

    How many thousands of generals and officers have Erdogan arrested / expelled from the army / humiliated after the next military coup?

    And everything is correct. These are the same generals who, albeit indirectly, are involved in the downing of our Drying. These are precisely those generals who, with the introduction of the minke whales, made a putsch. Would you forgive your generals who sold stripes? What's so unusual?
  • Piramidon 10 October 2019 14: 30 New
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    Turkish Air Force Launches Rass Al Ain City

    Are the white helmets already there?