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Russian with a Pole - brothers forever?

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In fact, Poles and Russians have long had nothing to share. Even Ukraine, which almost crossed her throat with both of them. At the level of everyday communication, most ordinary people in Russia and Poland have nothing against each other. Yes and should not have. And all historical no offense at all.


Russian with a Pole - brothers forever?


Jeszcze Polska nie oshalęła


Another thing is politics and official propaganda. However, for the Russian media, the Polish question has long been no longer in the first, second or, perhaps, not in tenth place. The author is a rare exception in this regard, he regularly supports the Polish theme and is not noticed in his special sympathies for the current political line prevailing in official Poland.

Most Russian journalists have enough other concerns. But in the Polish press, Russophobia is still in fashion. Although, fortunately, not everyone, which allowed us to re-read the famous line from the Polish anthem - the unique “Mazurka Dombrowski”. It seems that Poland has not lost its mind yet, and its best sons are able to resist the propaganda, maintaining a sober and pragmatic view of relations with the old opponent - Russia.

It was with the opponent, not with the enemy, although there was, we admit, plenty of hostility over the thousand years of our neighborhood with Poland. All the more valuable is the experience of a different kind, which can even be considered as a worthy example. I admit, I'm just looking forward to a high-quality translation and mass distribution in Russian sources of one of the last posts of Peter Panasyuk on the very popular salon24.pl portal.

For those who are satisfied with not too artistic Google translation, I’m ready to immediately offer a link Russia is an enemy or partner. I will simply comment on Panasyuk with pleasure, and let a lot of the writing below seem banal to someone or have long been known.

And I would like to start with a brief summary of his key points. Peter Panasyuk first of all dismisses all speculation about the military threat allegedly emanating from Russia. The blogger extremely convincingly shows that the “Russian threat” is an enviable feeder for many politicians, in fact, nothing more than a bluff, according to Panasyuk's definition, “a fiction that does not reflect reality at all”.

Indeed, 400 thousand Russian military with two thousand tanks and a thousand aircraft are opposed by three and a half million NATO soldiers, supported by 10 thousand tanks and 6 thousand aircraft. Panasyuk is even ready to sympathize with Russia, since it has absolutely no allies. Apparently, the popular author of Belarus and Kazakhstan does not seriously consider them as such. His right, although it can be argued.



It’s not politics that dictates, but economics


Further even cooler. The Polish website explicitly states that modern Russia has never attacked anyone. Chechnya is the taming of fundamentalists, and the Russians defended Ossetia from the attack of Saakashvili. Even for Donbass and Crimea Panasyuk does not criticize us - at least on duty. According to him, this is a "reaction to the illegal coup on the Maidan." No more, no less. It is clear why lately Kiev has had such difficulties in relations with Warsaw.

Against this background, tough assessments of US military policy are no longer surprising, as well as the bold assessment by Pan Panasyuk of Ukraine and Belarus as a "security margin for Moscow and St. Petersburg."

Panasyuk could not resist and went about kicking his pro-Western colleagues - Sakevich, Targalsky and Karnowski, who see a threat even in the purchase of energy from Russia. And then he refutes all their claims about the Russian monopoly and the possible problems of the former Commonwealth with sovereignty.

A blogger does not just remind that Russia has the cheapest gas and oil products, and it is high time for the Poles to think and not shell out in vain to please the Western allies. Panasyuk is simply pragmatic to the envy of President Trump, and he also does not quite understand, or rather, it is completely incomprehensible why Poland with such ease left the Russian market.



After all, he attracts everyone who can and cannot be, and Warsaw is so carried away by the game of sanctions that it is ready to lose many years of guaranteed profit. Farmers suffered, the Polish light industry suffers, and in Russia now few people remember not only the metropolitan store "Polish Fashion" near the metro station "South-West", but this concept itself.

Honestly, in his campaign for the Russian market, Pan Paniuk was so carried away that he presented Russia as a kind of business paradise with minimal public debt, huge resources and reserves, and low taxes. In Russia itself, few propagandists allow themselves something similar, but still - a separate respect for a respected blogger.

From Grunwald to the Four Tankers


In principle, the Russians have not too much historical experience of cooperation with the Poles. The Battle of Grunwald as early as the 1410 of the year is generally a separate article, as well as the embodiment in reality of the legendary slogan of the revolutionaries "For our and your freedom!"

There is actually no one to say thank you to Dzerzhinsky, Menzhinsky, Unshlikht and others, but for the fact that we didn’t have any Polish guns in the Civil, unlike the Latvian, we must probably thank Pan Pilsudsky. At least for the fact that the "arrows" were on the other side of the front, and their heirs - not in the Polish Army, but in the Home Army.



Nevertheless, in World War II we were allies, and the losses of both countries in it are quite comparable. How they later dispersed, or rather, we were divorced, is also a separate topic, worthy of a whole series of essays. But good memory can be completely eradicated in the media and on the pages of textbooks. It’s much harder to burn something out of people's memory.

For our generation, those who have long been behind 50, a real Pole has always always been associated with a brave and slightly reckless warrior. According to Henryk Sienkiewicz, the titanic images of the dashing heroes from the Crusaders and the Flood always stood next to the characters of the Four Tankers and lieutenant Hans Kloss performed by the courageous Stanislav Mikulsky.



Then we quickly realized that the Polish hut was the funniest in the socialist camp, and at the same time were read by the ironic detectives of Joanna Khmelevskaya. Two Va-Banks and Sex Mission still remain cult films for us, and the murderously funny Deja Vu is as close to every Russian as every Pole. Checked repeatedly.

May the readers forgive me, I cannot but recall the scene from Liberation. This is when the inimitable Valery Nosik and Frantisek Pechka, Russian tanker and infantryman of the Polish Army, climbed onto the roof of the alcohol tank in the labyrinth of the marshalling station somewhere on the way to Berlin. And that question from the mouth of the Polish zholner: “What am I, a tank or something?” When Nosik put his bowler under his nose. From under a communist stick or for money, this and so you will not play.



Why all this? And besides, it’s profitable for anyone to bleed Russians with Poles now, but not for them. Especially after thousands of them almost side by side trod hundreds of kilometers along the “shuttle trails” of the 90's. And after both of them figured out that something was wrong with the Vilnius Ukraine. Finally, there were those who understood that together we can do more and better than separately.

However, why they were found, they were simply not given much to express themselves. Well, if Marshal Jaruzelsky for his sympathy for the Russians and Russia was almost poisoned. So it’s probably worthwhile to support the first sprouts of not Russophobic, but Russophile propaganda by all means! Even if someone barks in pro-Western newspapers that all this is fake or “ordering from the Kremlin”. In any case, from now on I will read the posts of Peter Panasyuk regularly.
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  1. Machito
    Machito 10 October 2019 15: 07
    +1
    Poland had a chance to become a Great Empire
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 10 October 2019 16: 09
      +5
      So she was at one time the Speech of the Commonwealth was a formidable enemy
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 October 2019 16: 21
      +4
      Quote: Bearded
      Poland had a chance to become a Great Empire

      They have not given and will not give. When, back in 1920, Pilsudski asked the British to “make Poland a Great Power,” they answered We do not need Great Pole, but we need Poland, which will border on Soviet Russia. ”And now the Anglo-Saxons want this, and are trying to prevent Russia from getting closer to Russia.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 12 October 2019 00: 27
        +3
        My husband's uncle was a Pole by nationality.

        Well, here's how I can not be proud of him? !!! good
        I am proud of him, how proud I would be of a Russian! love

        Stanislav Karlovich Grochochinsky (Polish: Stanisław Grochoczyński)
        Date of birth 22 November 1899
        Place of Birth Lodz, Kingdom of Poland, Russian Empire
        Date of death 1 July 1992 (92 years)
        Place of death Vilnius, Lithuania
        Belonging to the USSR
        Armed Forces
        Years of 1917 — 1953 Service
        Rank
        1. Artillery Major General of the USSR Armed Forces
        2. Brigadier General of the Armed Forces of Poland
        Commanded
        - artillery of the Leningrad Air Defense Army
        - air defense artillery of the 1-th Polish army
        - air defense artillery of the Polish People's Army
        Battles / wars
        Russian civil war
        Soviet-Polish war
        Great Patriotic War
        Awards
        - Order of Lenin (twice)
        - Order of the Red Banner
        - Order of the Patriotic War I degree
        - Commander Cross of the Order of the Renaissance of Poland (1945)
        - Order of the “Cross of Grunwald” III degree (11 May 1945) - a decision of the Presidium of the State People’s Council of 11 May 1945 year "for the heroic efforts and actions shown in the fight against the German invaders" [4] [5]
        - The Cross of the Brave
        - Golden Cross of Merit (1946)
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 12 October 2019 01: 00
          +4
          Quote: Tatiana
          My husband's uncle was a Pole by nationality.

          My wife’s grandmother was a Lithuanian Jewish Grandfather, colonel Border Guard of the KGB of the USSR We met the war at a border post on the German-Soviet border. Grandfather died in 1993. Grandmother in 2018 at the age of 99 years.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 12 October 2019 01: 07
            +1
            Quote: Ruslan67
            It’s not about nationality, but about who was on which side

            So I say that it still depends on the person himself. For example, Tukhachevsky was also a Pole.
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 12 October 2019 01: 14
              +3
              Quote: Tatiana
              Tukhachevsky was also a Pole.

              I have my own attitude to him, because I knew a person who refused to participate in the trial of him. Due to the fact that he could be biased. Later he became Deputy Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Uzbekistan. Tukhachevsky was not a Pole. No. He was a bastard
          2. Warrior2015
            Warrior2015 24 October 2019 01: 16
            0
            Quote: Ruslan67
            My wife’s grandmother was a Lithuanian Jewish Grandfather, colonel Border Guard of the KGB of the USSR We met the war at a border post on the German-Soviet border. Grandfather died in 1993. Grandmother in 2018 at the age of 99 years.

            Sorry, but I am in great doubt about the veracity of your story. How is it that they were so lucky to meet the war on the border - and then survive? to live so much? (being a political worker and a Jewess - that is, persons whom the Nazis ordered to be destroyed first of all when captured). Maybe the Tashkent front, huh? (a simple fact - from the heap of classmates of my grandfather, who was really miraculously lucky to leave Belarus (and they stayed and perished in the border battle and in the Minsk boiler) - there was practically no one left after the war, although he was looking for).
    3. svp67
      svp67 10 October 2019 16: 36
      +4
      Quote: Bearded
      Poland had a chance to become a Great Empire

      And Lithuania had a chance and Germany ... but it was not bad ...
      1. Kontrik
        Kontrik 10 October 2019 19: 49
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Bearded
        Poland had a chance to become a Great Empire

        And Lithuania had a chance and Germany ... but it was not bad ...

        Russia is stopping them all Sergey hehe.
        In general, when Poland was the province of the Russian Empire, they were abused there (in the sense of their ambition, etc.)
        They did not stand on ceremony, then they took revenge on us .. and now they are taking revenge for their "ruined great history" .. And Russia, despite all the defeats and losses, is reviving and becoming stronger and stronger! This is where their powerless envy lies, and our kindness also disturbs them ..
        PS let them understand Khokh (Western Natsik) .. Russia does not mind!
        But Kiev will be OUR!
        1. Warrior2015
          Warrior2015 11 October 2019 01: 12
          +2
          Quote: Kontrik
          when Poland was the province of the Russian Empire, they were abused there (in the sense of their ambition, etc.)

          What is cruel there. When there were uprisings, then yes. And so - on the contrary.

          When Poland (only for the most part, the rest of it was under the jurisdiction of Prussia and Austria) was the Privislensk region of the Russian Empire, then "Russian citizens" lived there much freer and economically better than in the Great Russian provinces in general. And this is extremely strange - given the century-old separatism of the Poles and the uprisings they periodically raise.
        2. Dimont
          Dimont 11 October 2019 07: 32
          +2
          When Poland was the province of the Russian Empire, it was treated just fine, better than in Russia itself. Freedom, concessions in taxes and legislation were granted ... Everything was better off than under the Commonwealth. And resulted in 2 rebellions. All of them were not enough.
          Well, now Poland is a leech on the body of Europe
      2. Zliy_mod
        Zliy_mod 10 October 2019 20: 33
        +3
        Not lucky, nefig was an Orthodox Ukrainians nip. The Honor Polish gentry has gone too far, the Ukrainian uprising led by B. Khmelnitsky was the beginning of the end of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
  2. Svarog
    Svarog 10 October 2019 15: 17
    +13
    I’ll just comment on Panasyuk with pleasure, and let a lot of the writing below seem banal to someone or have long been known.

    The whole history of the Poles was hostile to us and now nothing has changed, given the enthusiasm with which they receive the United States .. and the only sound journalist will not do the weather ..
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 10 October 2019 15: 22
      +9
      Quote: Svarog
      and the only sound journalist will not do the weather ..

      water sharpens a stone .... and propaganda fools a head!
    2. Machito
      Machito 10 October 2019 15: 22
      +2
      Hey. Are you a lieutenant colonel again? Here you are not restrained on the tongue. Although I understand you. My indignant mind is boiling too
    3. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 10 October 2019 16: 06
      +3
      And Peter 1 would have won the Northern War if he had not been in alliance with Poland ?!
    4. svp67
      svp67 10 October 2019 16: 39
      +2
      Quote: Svarog
      Throughout history, the Poles have been hostile to us.

      Not all ... and rather not hostile, but were rivals in the struggle for people and the spaces of the Slavic world ...
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 10 October 2019 16: 49
        +5
        Quote: svp67
        Not all ... and rather not hostile, but were rivals in the struggle for people and the spaces of the Slavic world ...

        From 981 to 1939, we “competed” with the Poles, but in fact we fought about 20 times ..
        I would be glad if we had good relations with the Poles, but I think that in the foreseeable future the probability of such is not great. More likely, in my opinion, relations with Ukrainians will begin to recover .. but not with Poland.
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 12 October 2019 15: 36
          +1
          I don’t give a damn about the Poles
    5. polar fox
      polar fox 10 October 2019 17: 43
      +1
      Quote: Svarog
      The whole history of the Poles was hostile to us and now nothing has changed, given the enthusiasm with which they receive the United States .. and the only sound journalist will not do the weather ..

      With all due respect, I do not agree. I communicate with Poles, bikers, normal guys ... they assess the situation soberly. Just less need to watch and listen to propagandists - "Rossians", they have enemies all around ... here a friend came from Georgia after a month of vacation , he said, "how badly they treat Russians" ... the next year I went there again on vacation! and an acquaintance came from Abkhazia: except for mate, nothing ... I "liked it very much."
  3. AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 10 October 2019 15: 22
    +1
    Poland is a partner. But Russia must be on top. Only in this position can relations between Russia and Poland be pleasant in all respects.
    1. tracer
      tracer 10 October 2019 15: 47
      +1
      Young Polish women are very beautiful .. Brylska was a mega beauty in the USSR in general. Your idea is very good ..
      1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
        tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 10 October 2019 16: 25
        +8
        My friend, Volodya, recalling the stories of his grandfather: "He was wounded somewhere in Poland, at the end of the war. I was in the hospital. A young nurse, a Polish girl, enters. She approaches the first bed with the wounded:" Will the man fart? Ten zlotys ... "Well, I had some zlotys there, so I spent all of them ..."
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 October 2019 16: 25
      +3
      Quote: AS Ivanov.
      Poland is a partner.

      Any partnership should be based on mutual respect, especially it is not necessary to look at a high neighbor.
  4. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 10 October 2019 15: 31
    +3
    Having such friends and enemies is not necessary .. Poland and common sense are incompatible concepts
  5. certero
    certero 10 October 2019 15: 35
    +1
    Quote: Bearded
    Poland had a chance to become a Great Empire

    Was yes swam. This, by the way, is one of the reasons why Poles often rage.
  6. EDWARD
    EDWARD 10 October 2019 15: 35
    +4
    why go so far .. let’s listen to our neighbor.

  7. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 10 October 2019 15: 36
    +2
    At the philistine level, there can be mutual understanding. What should we share and why fight?
    But politicians think in completely different categories. If they consider it beneficial, they will adjust the agitation and it will turn out that there are no more faithful and loyal allies and the Poles are our best friends. In the meantime, as now --- Poland is in NATO, which means any "sprouts of not Russophobic, but Russophile propaganda!" will be mercilessly cut by the combine of state propaganda.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 October 2019 16: 36
      +1
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      At the philistine level, there can be mutual understanding. What should we share and why fight?

      When I was in Poland, I didn’t notice any kind of evil views or statements, everything was kind, everything was human.
  8. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 10 October 2019 15: 43
    +3
    What the fuck is the brotherhood, especially the Slavic one, and it never was, for me the Tatar is closer than any Pole or Bulgarian. We are a Horde project, it protected us and we inherited it.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 10 October 2019 16: 12
      +3
      Doing this for centuries, they raided and protected us like that? However, of course, Russia also raided its neighbors, but not to the same extent
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 October 2019 16: 38
      -1
      Quote: gabonskijfront
      What the fuck brotherhood, especially Slavic, it is not and never was, for me the Tatar is closer than any Pole or Bulgarian

      It depends on who has more blood.
  9. Basarev
    Basarev 10 October 2019 15: 46
    +2
    It is important that not only Poland benefits from cooperation with Russia, but vice versa - Russia benefits Poland. At least as a source of positive migrants - cultural and educated Slavs, and not these vile bearded men. Again, the market.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 October 2019 16: 31
      +6
      Quote: Basarev
      At least as a source of positive migrants - cultural and educated Slavs, and not these vile bearded men.

      Judging by modern Moscow and St. Petersburg, I would like to see more Slavic people than people from the former southeastern republics of the USSR.
  10. Soviet Union
    Soviet Union 10 October 2019 15: 57
    +1
    Poland ... it's like an evil neighbor with a knife ... don’t turn your back .. best of all when this neighbor is in a state of grogging.
  11. Ros 56
    Ros 56 10 October 2019 16: 16
    +1
    Lyakhi, they are Lyakhi in Africa, there is no faith in them. Only a complete paskuda can destroy monuments to those who died for them.
  12. Mcar
    Mcar 10 October 2019 16: 35
    +2
    May the readers forgive me, I cannot but recall the scene from Liberation. This is when the inimitable Valery Nosik and Frantisek Pechka, Russian tanker and infantryman of the Polish Army, climbed onto the roof of the alcohol tank in the labyrinth of the marshalling station somewhere on the way to Berlin. And that question from the mouth of the Polish zholner: “What am I, a tank or something?” When Nosik put his bowler under his nose. From under a communist stick or for money, this and so you will not play.

    The author, well, why didn’t you insert a fragment from the film? Indeed, really chic!

    The old people, of course, saw, but the young - not everyone.

    1. podymych
      10 October 2019 16: 50
      +2
      Thank you, it’s very difficult to make a movie when posting an article, And in the comments - no problem
      1. Leopold
        Leopold 11 October 2019 05: 37
        +5
        Alexey hi I would still remember "Zucchini 13 chairs". We were always looking forward to new releases. good
    2. Avior
      Avior 10 October 2019 20: 06
      +1
      The passage is excellent, but the alcohol could be methyl ....
      The Germans used it as fuel, and distinguishing between methyl and ethyl is not so simple .....
      1. Warrior2015
        Warrior2015 11 October 2019 01: 16
        +1
        Quote: Avior
        The passage is excellent, but the alcohol could be methyl ....
        The Germans used it as fuel, and distinguishing between methyl and ethyl is not so simple .....

        There were a lot of such cases! With the development of the German chemical industry, during the retreat many times tanks with "alcohol" were left on the way, even in bottles in houses, etc. How many Soviet soldiers perished through that - do not count. And the orders were appropriate, but they did not help ...
        1. Avior
          Avior 11 October 2019 23: 44
          0
          maybe not even on purpose.
          the Germans used it quite widely for various purposes, including as a fuel for vehicles
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  14. Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 10 October 2019 16: 56
    +2
    I hardly believe in friendship, partnership or anything else with Poland, but there is nothing to share at the household level, I completely agree. But the friendly ruling elite, even in the distant future, is not visible.
  15. Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 10 October 2019 17: 03
    0
    Although there are frictions in everyday life. The nephew was taken to Germany at the age of 6 from Kazakhstan, meets with a girl, they are from Poland. When they first met, his parents asked "... are you Putin's?" The guy replied that he was German and was proud of it. But his sister (his mother) scolded him at home when she told him and advised on occasion to say what was for Putin. Painfully she likes him
  16. parusnik
    parusnik 10 October 2019 17: 10
    +1
    And besides, it’s profitable for anyone to bleed Russians with Poles now, but not for them.
    ... And not only with the Poles ...
    1. Alex 1970
      Alex 1970 10 October 2019 17: 16
      0
      Well, as long as Poland didn’t make money on this for herself, one suggestion about Fort Trump is worth what, we will pay you money so that in the case of a mess (God forbid) be the first to rake.
  17. andrew42
    andrew42 10 October 2019 17: 20
    +2
    The evil irony of fate, or with a heavy steam, is the millennia-old mutual relations of Russia-Russia and Poland. Being in kinship, in direct genetic kinship (because Poland is an order of magnitude more homogeneous than the same Ukraine), not even a cousin, the Poles have been standing in line against Muscovy, Russia, Soviet Russia and modern Russia for centuries. Separated religiously, historically and politically. It's a pity.
  18. Nitochkin
    Nitochkin 10 October 2019 17: 26
    0
    "How they dispersed later, or rather, we were divorced, is also a separate topic worthy of a whole series of essays. But a good memory can be completely eradicated in the media and on the pages of textbooks. It is much more difficult to burn something out of people's memory."
    What kind of folk memory are we talking about? About this one?
  19. yriuv62
    yriuv62 10 October 2019 17: 31
    +3
    Poland had never had anyone better than Dzerzhinsky, Menzhinsky, Unshlikht! These are her best sons! And we must be proud of them! And do not pay attention to all the dumbheads with whom our Revolution is across the throat.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 10 October 2019 18: 09
      +6
      Dzerzhinsky personality controversial. The best son of Poland is Rokossovsky Konstantin Konstantinovich.
      1. yriuv62
        yriuv62 12 October 2019 03: 25
        +1
        What do you share with Dzerzhinsky Rokossovsky? Together they made one revolution, each in its own place.
  20. Prisoner
    Prisoner 10 October 2019 19: 54
    0
    If brothers, then brothers like Abel and Cain. sad
  21. motorized rifle
    motorized rifle 10 October 2019 20: 03
    +4
    I recalled Alexander Sergeevich


    Slanderers of Russia


    What are you noisy about, folk-like?
    Why anathema threaten you Russia?
    What angered you? unrest in Lithuania?
    Leave: this is a dispute between the Slavs,
    Home, old dispute, weighted by fate,
    A question that you will not solve.

    For a long time among themselves
    These tribes are at war;
    More than once bowed under a thunderstorm
    Theirs, then our side.
    Who will stand in an unequal dispute:
    Puffy Lyakh, il true Ross?
    Will Slavic streams merge in the Russian sea?
    Will it run dry? here is the question.

    Leave us: you have not read
    These bloody tablets;
    It’s incomprehensible to you, alien to you
    This is a family feud;
    The Kremlin and Prague are silent for you;
    Pointlessly seduces you
    Fights of desperate courage -
    And you hate us ...

    For what? answer: for whether
    What is on the ruins of flaming Moscow
    We did not recognize the brazen will
    Who were you trembling under?
    For the fact that they plunged into the abyss
    We are idol over kingdoms
    And redeemed with our blood
    Europe, freedom, honor and peace? ..

    You are formidable in words - try it in practice!
    Or the old hero, deceased on his bed,
    Unable to screw up your Izmail bayonet?
    Is the Russian tsar already powerless to speak?
    Or should we argue with Europe new?
    Il Russian weaned from victories?
    Or a little of us? Or from Perm to Tauris,
    From the Finnish cold rocks to the flaming Colchis,
    From the shocked Kremlin
    To the walls of immobile China,
    Shiny bristles,
    Will not the Russian land rise? ..
    So send us to us, Vitia,
    His angry sons:
    There is a place for them in the fields of Russia,
    Among the coffins that are not theirs.

    1831
  22. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 10 October 2019 22: 53
    +1
    The trouble is that the supreme lords decided long ago that the "earned" by overwork is best kept away from their compatriots.
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  24. phair
    phair 11 October 2019 00: 46
    0
    Of the heroes of the Westerplatte, 95% remained alive. Not Stalingrad is shorter. Yes, and the panels with the panes of the Jews were not much hidden, rustling over them during the uprising in the ghetto. But they were indignant when in the fall we did not take Warsaw. Crossing the cold water ...
  25. Den717
    Den717 11 October 2019 07: 10
    +3
    Nevertheless, in World War II we were allies, and the losses of both countries in it are quite comparable.

    Comrade author, what do you smoke / read? Where did you find allies? In Poland? I beg of you... laughing
    This is probably those half a million Poles that went through the Wehrmacht and the SS? When a country is said to be an ally, it usually means that the officials of these countries have signed some kind of agreement on joint actions in the areas in which they intend to "ally." We had relations with the Polish "government in exile" throughout the war, from "bad" to "canceled," according to the documents. In practice, throughout the war, these relations were a manifestation of betrayal with outright hostility. Berling's army is rather an exception, and this group was motivated by the transfer of power in Poland into their hands. In terms of losses, it does not fall at all. For the entire struggle for independence, along with three thousand killed Poles from the Anders army in Italy, according to various sources, 120 - 140 thousand people died !!! How can this be compared with our losses during the liberation of Poland in people - irrecoverable - 477 295 people, sanitary - 1 636 165 people, in total - 2 113 460 people !!! ??? By the way, of this number of dead Red Army men, the "allies" from the Home Army killed more than half a thousand. Here Heinrich Himmler issued a command to the captured AK employees not to shoot / hang, apparently as a reward for the quality of the allied duty to the Red Army. laughing . Bottom line: Poland over the past thousand years has completely taken place a consistent hostile to the Russian essence in various forms. In the foreseeable future, a change in relations does not seem possible to me even if there are separate Polish representatives loyal to Russia.
    1. garrett
      garrett 11 October 2019 14: 02
      0
      Where did you find allies? In Poland?

      Have you read the article ??? where is the author about the allies wrote ??? fool
      1. Den717
        Den717 11 October 2019 14: 56
        0
        Quote: Garrett
        Have you read the article ??? where is the author about the allies wrote ???

        Yes Yes. Tap your forehead and read the quote from the article above the comment. If not difficult laughing
  26. bandabas
    bandabas 11 October 2019 08: 24
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    As for cheap oil and gas. For them cheaper. For Russians, more expensive. We swallow it all ...
  27. EvilLion
    EvilLion 11 October 2019 08: 28
    +2
    Frankly, in the historical confrontation of the 17-18 centuries, Russia defeated Poland for several reasons, although it was realistic to organize a union with Poland in the 1612. Now, militarily, Poland is not absolutely opposed to the Russian Federation, nor by mob. resource, neither in quantity nor in the quality of weapons. Of course, as winners, everything suits us, and for us there is no Polish question. But the Poles who are not satisfied are not happy, it’s another matter that they still don’t understand the reasons for the defeat, and continue to ride on the same rake. This question will be closed only if, for some reason, the Russian Federation swallows Poland and its population rewrites into Russians, that is, it joins the winner. But there is no possibility for this in the foreseeable future.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 October 2019 11: 10
      +2
      Quote: EvilLion
      But the Poles who are not satisfied are not happy, it’s another matter that they still don’t understand the reasons for the defeat, and continue to ride on the same rake.

      Although the two armies of the Polish Army fought in the Soviet Army.
  28. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 12 October 2019 11: 06
    +3
    Quote: Tatiana
    My husband's uncle was a Pole by nationality.

    And you do not have one of your relatives Poles, which can be proud of. My relatives also fought on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War, one died, the rest returned with orders and medals. I am also proud of them. For I myself am at 28% Pole by grandmother.
  29. saygon66
    saygon66 14 October 2019 11: 45
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    - If you do not take into account the clash of interests of our and Polish backbones, everything is not so tragic and hopeless ... When the border traffic regime was still working, they often went to Poland ... and leave not only money. So, no one threw a pitchfork at us ... Any "food" sanctions in support of a supposedly local manufacturer often allow this very manufacturer to put openly inedible stuff on sale ... There are no competitors. Sometimes the desire to participate in big politics overshadows the simple but constant interests of ordinary people ... sad
  30. DPN
    DPN 16 October 2019 21: 40
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    Of course, the brothers are forever, and therefore we take away the monuments of the Soviet Wars from Poland to Russia.