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Under Putin, there will be no natural population growth. So officials say

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And it’s not like a war ...


The demographic situation in Russia will deteriorate in the coming years, after which (by about 2024 year) a certain turning point will occur. The Ministry of Economic Development of Russia made such a forecast, accompanying the budget submitted to the State Duma with an appropriate document. Over six years, the population of our country should increase by two million people. But there is one caveat ...




Most of this growth will be of a migratory nature! Actually, we will get a natural population growth at best by the 2024 year. True, this does not fit very well with the May President’s “super-order”, according to which demography is an absolute priority for the development of the state in the coming years, and the corresponding national project “Demography” receives huge funding - more than three trillion (3 000 000 000 000) rubles. But few people are interested in such trifles in the country, right?

Measures to reduce the mortality rate, especially of the working-age population, will help to reduce the age-specific mortality rates, which nevertheless will not be able to compensate for the birth rate trends and will lead to the preservation of the natural population decline until the 2023 of the year. In 2023, the natural decline will continue, and in 2024, natural population growth will be noted.


What are the experts of the Ministry of Economic Development hoping for? It’s hard to say for sure. The incomes of the population are falling, the level of loans is growing, the quality of life also does not inspire people to demographic exploits. Perhaps all hopes that the so-called zero generation will enter into adulthood, are somewhat more numerous in comparison with what was born during the monstrous demographic pit of the nineties. And in a sense, these hopes have the right to life - our women still give birth to one child, and we can count on the younger generation not to change this tradition.

I take out from wide trousers ...


By the way, even with the migration growth of the population, everything is not so simple, no matter how we relate to it. It's no secret that in recent years it has declined quite significantly. Now it no longer covers the natural decline. But, as you know, the government and the "bright minds" of pro-government and near-Kremlin experts did not waste time and came up with a number of innovations that should stimulate the delivery of new citizens to Russia.

First of all, it is planned to simplify the very procedure for obtaining citizenship. Including due to the mandatory refusal of the applicant for Russian citizenship from the citizenship of another state. Previously, as you know, such a rule existed, but now they plan to abolish it. All for the benefit of new citizens, as they say: why give up another citizenship, so that later, having become rich on drug smuggling (for example), try to get a second or third passport? Now everything will be simpler and more convenient: no matter how many passports you have, they will not be redundant. Ride around the world, travel, transport capsules of heroin in your stomach ... Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that migrants are a priori kind, sincere and unable to do any harm to anyone.

Also, through various programs, it is planned to increase the number of foreign students in Russian universities. They are considered “promising” new citizens in our country, because for several years at our university they have more or less mastered the Russian language and are gaining a profession. And such a specialist is very necessary for our national economy, here and do not go to the grandmother. There is more to command "new citizens", most of whom have little understanding of Russian, and there is nobody ...

Where do we get the money to study hundreds of thousands of students, leave out of brackets. But it is clear that there is a lot of money in the country, and they are not at all sorry for attracting an Ethiopian doctor or a Somali teacher. Moreover, if we ourselves learn it ...

Frankly, I am shocked by the fact that it is the Ministry of Economic Development that deals with this issue. That is, is this the only department that for some reason still needs us? I understand that many simply will not understand me and will make round eyes: what, they say, of this? But I am very embarrassed that the population is interested in our government only as a labor force. Moreover, this is the leitmotif of any studies and discussions that can be found recently: the population is getting smaller, which means that the competitiveness of our products is falling (people will have to pay more, horror!), There will be no one to provide pensioners (well, income from hydrocarbons is not for pensioners, did not deserve), new production does not open, and so on.

We are not wine - with age we only get worse


But are we already completely uninteresting to the government in itself? Or the fact that our salaries are already lower in places than in China, does anyone care? Let’s bring some more millions of foreign workers, let the aborigines (you and I) not even think about raising wages?

It is not surprising, by the way, that another stone is thrown in the aforementioned document towards the national project “Demography” - it is explicitly stated that the age structure of the population is aging and “deteriorating”. And this despite the fact that the national project is largely “sharpened” precisely for improving the quality of life, increasing its duration, increasing the so-called age of survival. But for Mr. Oreshkin’s department, these are meaningless words - you work less, which means that you are already “worse”.

I especially want to note that this is "getting worse" - no, they absolutely do not want to see in us anything but draft power. The logic is simple - the horse has become older, which means it has become worse, because it is possible to plow less on it in one shift. That's all, the Ministry of Economic Development has no other ratings for us, be pleased with the fact that they are not yet sent to the slaughter ...

A quick analysis of the document shows that, in principle, our demographic strategy lacks even hints of any new approaches and solutions. The same emphasis is on increasing life expectancy instead of increasing birth rates, migration substitution, and not so much by Russians as by indigenous people of the Central Asian republics, reckoning on the assimilation of foreign students, for which you just need to maximize their number - maybe someone will remain.

And when you read all this, it becomes clear: our sovereign people are only interested in statistics, only statements that can be put on the GDP table and calmly continue to transfer papers in your office. Let the official sit still in his chair, and there, as they say, either the donkey will die, or the paddies will lose their spirits.

By the way, it is very likely that the optimism of officials regarding the natural population growth since the 2024 of the year is connected with the fact that this is the last year of Putin's presidency. He may already fail to verify these forecasts ...

No, just a coincidence! Really right?
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 9 October 2019 15: 14
    +7
    Under Putin, there will be no natural population growth
    What an insidious plan!
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 9 October 2019 15: 29
      +50
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Under Putin, there will be no natural population growth
      What an insidious plan!

      And this despite the fact that the national project is largely “sharpened” precisely for improving the quality of life, increasing its duration, increasing the so-called age of survival. But for Mr. Oreshkin’s department, these are meaningless words.

      Not one of their plan was not implemented, but here I have no doubt ... they are realizing and of course there will be no population growth. All these nat.projects, fraud ..
      Nobody in our government seriously does anything and doesn’t bring anything to the end .. The author of the article is right, everything is done for the sake of reporting and simply manipulate numbers. Although demography is a serious problem, and by demography you can safely evaluate the success of the government .. For the more Russians there are, the stronger Russia is and vice versa ..
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 9 October 2019 15: 34
        +2
        Whatever they do, things are not going,
        Seen on Monday, their mother gave birth.
        Seen on Monday, their mother gave birth,
        Whatever they do, things are not going!

        Crocodile is not caught, coconut does not grow;
        Cry, pray to God, not sparing tears.
        Cry, pray to God, not sparing tears.
        Crocodile is not caught, coconut does not grow!

        It seems not to be idlers, and could live.
        They would take and cancel Mondays!
        They would take and cancel Mondays!
        It seems not loafers, and could live
        As luck would have it, there is no calendar on the island,
        Children and adults are wasted!
        Children and adults are wasted!
        There is no calendar on the damned island.
        On this occasion from night to dawn
        Unlucky savage people cry!
        And the poor cry, and curse trouble
        On a day that is unknown in any year!

        And the poor cry, and curse trouble
        On a day that is unknown in any year!
        Read more at Kino-Teatr.ru. Https://www.kino-teatr.ru/kino/movie/sov/649/song/
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 9 October 2019 20: 14
          +24
          The demographic situation in Russia will deteriorate in the coming years, after which (by about 2024 year) a certain turning point will occur.
          I doubt very much about the POSITIVE change in the demography of the Russian Federation for the indigenous population of the country. For a lot of things show that in principle this will not happen. The country is not the political system that demography, in principle, has changed for the better among the native Russians. Namely.

          There is one hidden thing in politics concerning finance, which our Russian pro-American liberal financiers in the government of the Russian Federation and the Central Bank of Russia never mention in any way! This is due to the actual dollarization of wages for foreign "labor" migrants in the Russian Federation itself. What is meant here?
          I had this question on "VO" in 2015, published a large analytical article "Financial risks to the national security of the Russian Federation from foreign labor migration" dated March 23, 2015. -
          https://topwar.ru/71406-finansovye-riski-nacionalnoy-bezopasnosti-rf-ot-inostrannoy-trudovoy-migracii.html

          The fact is that when foreign "labor" migrants export their earnings in $$ from our country - from the Russian Federation - to their homeland or to their country of origin, they transfer their ruble earnings to the Russian Federation into foreign currency - and above all to $$, which the Central Bank of Russia, in turn, is buying from the US Federal Reserve banks at their usurious %%!

          In the yard, of course, now is not 2015, but 2019. Therefore, the data is somewhat outdated, but the financial system itself has not changed and, apparently, the situation in the country has become even worse at the moment. For at that time (in December 2014) $ 1 = $ 36 rubles, and now $ 1 = 65 rubles.
          So, the then calculation showed that when the US dollar = 36 rubles. instantaneous maximum demand of the so-called foreign “labor” migrants in December 2014 amounted to 34,290 billion in US dollars. $
          Is it a lot or a little? Well, for example, the President of Ukraine P.A. Poroshenko at that time asked the West and the United States for help in the war with the DPR and LPR $ 25 billion. Those. 34,290 billion $> 25 billion $ 1,37 times.

          On the other hand, this means that it is, in fact, that foreign "labor" migrants do not just work in the Russian Federation for American currency, thereby not only destroying our Russian financial sovereignty, but also pay from their work in Russia - "LABOR TAX "in the United States in the form of speculative usurious interest to American banks in the United States, as if the Russian Federation was a US colony.
          There is no such effect from working Russians. That is why Washington also advocates the legalization of foreign "labor" migration to the Russian Federation. And the more the indigenous population of Russia is replaced by foreign migrants, the better it will be for Washington / USA and the US Federal Reserve.

          Because at the same time, not only the indigenous Russian population is squeezed out of the Russian labor market, the Russian population is also replaced, but the indigenous population of the country, Russia, is being replaced.

          And our government of the Russian Federation and senators - in the person of the same Valentina Matvienko not long ago in Uzbekistan - for this they advocated venally advocated and advocated with all their liberal soul! And they are politically excused from the Russians by the fact that in the Russian Federation there are supposedly catastrophic shortages of labor.
          In other words, the Russian government itself drives such a migration policy in the country as a plane into a tailspin.
          How, in this sense, our leaders do not act as foreign agents of the US Federal Reserve?
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 9 October 2019 21: 14
            +2
            Quote: Tatiana
            Financial risks of the national security of the Russian Federation
            I will fulfill the promise. So New Year
            no calls by the Russian authorities to the country's population to refrain from buying up the American dollar currency during this period on the so-called foreign labor migrants do not work! On the contrary, they, by definition, should buy it as soon as possible! Than they whip up or launch speculative excitement (regardless of other reasons) in the Russian financial market around the US dollar currency
            Banks not buying enough currency to launch speculative excitement? Everyone who needs currency contributes to the enrichment of Fed bankers: vacationers, traveling abroad, companies purchasing medicines, clothes, household appliances, tobacco products, etc. From the point of view of the state, an analysis should be done (I think that is exactly what happens) and to determine who should be deleted from this list in order to reduce dependence on the dollar. Do you think that the most useless for the state on this list are migrant workers? I would like from spa tourists, or better, I started with tobacco: to prohibit the purchase of carcinogenic flavor additives and foreign flavors. For money, I think this is comparable to the need for migrant workers in dollars, the pace of urban improvement, repair and construction of new roads, etc., continues, and the health of the population suffers less.
            The Ministry of Finance, as well as the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, did not take into account in their financial balance the real value of the forthcoming excess of the country's short-term demand in US dollar currency from foreign labor migrants. Moreover, due to the lack of a proper accounting system on the Russian border and in the FMS system of the Russian Federation, the real movement of foreign citizens across the Russian border was not taken into account. This is a systemic error in the field of national security of the country.
            A systemic error, I admit that it exists, is not that guest workers enter, but that they are poorly taken into account. And what's the problem? Is that (according to unofficial data!) 40-50% of migrant workers entering Russia indiscriminately fill out their migration cards? Where do the figures 40-50% come from? Those who are sitting on the control have instructions - do not accept illegibly completed migration cards. If they do not follow the instructions, can they see what their interest is? But here the logic is approximately the following: the water utility does not take into account the water consumption of each individual consumer poorly - there are leaks, illegal taps, connections, etc .; then it is necessary to shut off the water supply to the system with a central shut-off valve.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 10 October 2019 00: 47
              +11
              Quote: sniperino
              A systemic error, I admit that it exists, is not that guest workers enter, but that they are poorly taken into account. And what's the problem? Is it that (according to unofficial data!) 40-50% of migrant workers entering Russia indiscriminately fill in their migration cards? Where do the numbers 40-50% come from? Those who are sitting on the control have instructions - do not accept illegibly completed migration cards.
              No, the problem for the national security of the country is much deeper and wider than you think.
              You did not understand the MAIN! A low-skilled influx of migrant workers destroys the domestic labor market for the indigenous population of the country and the country of their admission. Moreover, this process is taking place in the world in all countries where low-skilled migrant workers come in a rush.

              Moreover, in the Russian Federation, out of the entire influx of foreign "labor" migrants, only 10-15% are officially registered for work. They are roughly and are more or less working specialists. And the remaining 90 ÷ 85% of those arriving in the Russian Federation from neighboring countries are not even a low-skilled slave. force, it is generally no labor force at all. One kind. Partly because of this, they do not settle in city-equipped hotel houses for guest workers, but prefer abandoned houses.
              This is done by them consciously! They steal more from the host country and find them to answer for the ugliness in the host country is difficult, almost impossible. I call it: people come not so much to work as to grab.
              In total, in 2014 in the Russian Federation, there were 20 million foreign migrants (together with illegal immigrants). So consider the losses for the country, which entrepreneurs hang on the shoulders of the working people and the population of Russians!

              I have published two analytical articles on this subject in the collection of materials of the scientific and practical conference 14-15 on November 2014, which took place at St. Petersburg State University. Namely.
              "Collection of materials. IX Kovalev readings. Sociology and sociological education in Russia (to the 25th anniversary of sociological education in Russia and St. Petersburg State University) // St. Petersburg State University. Faculty of Sociology. / Moscow State University. Lomonosov Faculty of Sociology / Kovalevsky Sociological Society / Russian Society of Sociologists - November 14-15, 2014. -
              http://soc.spbu.ru/nauka/publications/k9_4r.pdf
              1. Zueva T.F. FOREIGN LABOR MIGRATION AND GLOBALISM ......... p. 800
              1. Zueva T.F. FOREIGN LABOR MIGRATION IN ST. PETERSBURG. PROS AND CONS. ... page 802
              These articles are easy to find.
              1. We dialed the site address - http://soc.spbu.ru/nauka/publications/k9_4r.pdf
              and clicked the "search" icon.
              2 The collection has opened. In the Table of Contents on page 14 of the collection my above mentioned articles were found.
              4. Click on them - the article will open.

              Here, in these articles, I explain everything in detail and tell you what is the danger for the country from foreign "labor" migration and how it is beneficial for globalist financiers.

              If you are really interested in this issue, then you will be interested to read these articles and familiarize yourself with this problem in more detail.
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 10 October 2019 16: 01
                -1
                Quote: Tatiana
                A low-skilled influx of migrant workers destroys the domestic labor market for the indigenous population of the country
                You do not want to admit the existence of a demographic problem (a huge shortage of labor resources, especially for work requiring low qualification of employees, against the background of an increase in the proportion of non-working pensioners in the population). This difficult demographic situation exacerbates the political problem: a society consolidated around Putin wants to see the results of transformations, otherwise enthusiasm will be replaced by apathy, distrust of the authorities, which can lead to the impossibility of transferring the economy from the reproduction mode to the expanded reproduction and development modes. This transfer requires the mobilization of labor resources, the lack of which we observe. The domestic labor market is destroyed by the presence of demand and lack of supply. We did not come up with a way out of this situation: many countries solve a similar problem with the help of labor migrants. Few people are happy with this solution, but they haven’t come up with another yet. Therefore, work is carried out in the direction of filtering the flow of labor migrants in order to minimize the damage (security, the economy, etc.) associated with their attraction. This is their accounting, language proficiency exam, etc.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 10 October 2019 17: 15
                  +1
                  You just did not read my work. If you read them, you wouldn’t write that.
                  I know this problem from the inside, but you do not.
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 10 October 2019 21: 38
                    -2
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    I know this problem from the inside, but you don’t
                    A serious argument ... Inside the problem there is always complete strife and schiz. To understand the system, one needs to get out of it (Gödel's 2nd theorem).
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 10 October 2019 23: 33
                      +2
                      Do not engage in demagogy. If you do not know anything about this and do not want to know!
                      1. sniperino
                        sniperino 11 October 2019 08: 07
                        -3
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Do not engage in demagogy.
                        You mastered trolling and advertising of your opuses. Learn to formulate and argue theses.
                      2. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 11 October 2019 14: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Do not engage in demagogy.
                        You mastered trolling and advertising of your opuses. Learn to formulate and argue theses.
                        I ask you not to be rude to me!
                        I didn’t want to tell you cooler before, but now I’ll tell you.

                        I doubt that you are Russian by nationality. No wonder your name is not indicated. And it’s possible that you yourself are also a migrant. For example, from the same Ukraine or CA.
                        It is also possible that you are from Russian state employees or civil servants.
                        For your logic is this: to be aloof from the problem of anti-Russian foreign migration policy in our country. You understand this issue zapadlo - all laziness and reluctance.
                        REFERENCE
                        Zapadlo - it means humiliating, shameful, below one's own dignity, indecent behavior, disrespect.

                        Why do I think so?
                        Because it is they - foreign migrants - who speculatively speculate in Russia with their allegedly past Leninist “internationalism” while squeezing all kinds of living means for themselves from Russia. And in their country - in their homeland - they are ardent nationalists! Especially against the Russians and the Russian people!
                        In particular, practice has shown that it is precisely migrant nationalists from neighboring countries of non-Russian nationality who believe that Russia owes them already since 1917! Who told them that? And, they say, grandfather Lenin told them so back in the revolution and when they began to build the Soviet state. And Russian civil servants are still following, in fact, they have something to do with it.
                        And so the foreign so-called “Labor” migrants can afford to behave completely inadequately and freely in Russia: cheat, steal, rape, rob and kill. And at the same time, the article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation works only against the Russians, which is why it is popularly called the “Russian Article”. Since when applying it, if a non-Russian beat a Russian, then this is a "household thing." And if a Russian beat non-Russian, then this is a “crime on a national basis.”

                        Well, it may also be that you are a Russian military and have served your whole life in abundance on state grub. The pension you have is early and good compared to civilian ones. You do not need to look for work. And civil to you, as if to a light bulb.
                        At the same time, distortions in the Russian labor market have not touched you at all and will not concern them so far.

                        Or maybe you are an entrepreneur of an average hand, and while you are afloat at the expense of the same foreign “labor” migrants. As they say, your pocket does not pull you.

                        And therefore, you too, before this Russian problem of Russians, as a state of the forming Russian people and of Russia itself, in the geopolitical plan, do not give a damn deep liberals, since it has not directly touched you yet.

                        TOTAL I have no more trust in you.
                        I don’t need to answer. Everything is clear to me about you.
                      3. Svarog
                        Svarog 11 October 2019 15: 07
                        0
                        No, the problem for the national security of the country is much deeper and wider than you think.
                        You did not understand the MAIN! A low-skilled influx of migrant workers destroys the domestic labor market for the indigenous population of the country and the country of their admission

                        Tatyana, I completely agree with your every word ... hi It is much easier and more profitable to "register" migrants than to deal with demographic problems. And actions, or rather inaction in relation to migration policy and demography, are all criminal negligence (at best), and at worst, deliberate sabotage against the Russian people.
                      4. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 11 October 2019 16: 35
                        0
                        Quote: Svarog
                        And actions, or rather inaction regarding migration policy and demography, are all criminal negligence (at best), and at worst, deliberate sabotage against the Russian people.

                        This is a pro-Western government genocide of the indigenous population of the Russian Federation and the destruction of the Russian state itself!

                        Worse than pension reform. What will turn out to be a new initiative of Medvedev. Mikhail Delyagin. Published: September 29 2019 of the year See from 17: 00 min. on liberalism of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and unemployment for Russians.
                      5. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
                        evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 11 October 2019 22: 55
                        +2
                        Everything is much worse. I don’t want to upset anyone, but now in the territory of the country of Russia there is de facto no full-fledged state. RK (,, Russia Capitalist ,,) is a quasi-state. Rather, it is about a Department, Rusland, TNC, Global Intetation,. For instance. At this territory, and citizens of Western countries earn good money by successfully exploiting the cheap labor of Russian-speaking Aborigines. There is no state, because there are no real OFFICERS of all levels, there is no corresponding STATE STRUCTURE. Life has not begun with us. How the state should be arranged, in modern times, in Russia was known at the beginning of the XVIII century. Who is out of stupidity, who out of ignorance, who intentionally calls, “officials,” thick-assed uncles and thick-lipped aunts, who have a certain access to power and cash flows. They have a minimum of RIGHTS and RESPONSIBILITIES. They, by and large, do not solve anything. Do not know how. They don’t know. Do not want. All THIS is extremely dangerous. The defense of the country of Russia is a big question. Current top executives cannot effectively fight crime, fires, floods, garbage collection ... Do you believe that they will cope with the consequences of external aggression? For a year, they cannot fully close the airspace of little Syria from all kinds of near and far pirates. Do you believe that they are able to protect the skies of Russia? What omissions to ask about demographics from them? They are not interested in their own security .... Only, yesterday, Ceausescu, Hussein, Gaddafi were killed ... Et and m to our (? They are expecting that the West will show them tricks.
                      6. sniperino
                        sniperino 11 October 2019 16: 36
                        -2
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        It is also possible that you are from Russian state employees or civil servants. For your logic is this - to be aloof from the problem of anti-Russian foreign migration policy in our country.
                        Madam! On the one hand, I am flattered by your fantasies about my humble person with no name, but I’d better tell you about my motives. I argue with you or any other forum participant for the prevention of senility when I see a contradiction in the text, and as long as I'm interested. You are constantly making a scandal out of a dispute, so Adyu!
                      7. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 11 October 2019 18: 36
                        0
                        Quote: sniperino
                        You are constantly making a scandal out of a dispute, so Adyu!

                        Do not pester me with your own illogisms and arrogant trolls - and you will not be rebuffed from me in your "dispute", which you call scandals!
                      8. Sairuman Beria
                        Sairuman Beria 13 March 2022 09: 13
                        0
                        Or maybe you are a middle-class entrepreneur and so far keep afloat. Here is the real reason for dog life in Russia. How it happens in everyday life, so to speak. 130 rubles, His clothes are not only of the 000st quality class, but also of foreign production and, in addition, branded ones cost Space money. Shoes, for example, 1 rubles. Well, his whole family is so dressed, shod, fed and has devices, gadgets and other devices at the same level. And here we are sitting next to him. The salary is 60 rubles a day, buy special clothes yourself, buy gloves yourself, buy protective equipment yourself. The workshop itself is not intended for such types of work. what kind of ventilation. on me and mine to say colleagues in slavery. He watches a video on the phone for 000 rubles and he doesn’t give a shit about everything. He knows there is no work who will leave or anything else will come. And the other job is exactly the same Commerce sick in the head, or even worse. Most often worse. I’m 1200 years old, I’ve been working since I was 130. Everything was done and done by such Russian guys because they are allowed to do it and they don’t kill them. There is no NKVD and there are no camps, there is no fear. there is. And it’s not the Uzbeks who kill him (who plow like that, God forbid everyone). But the Russians kill this people, for the sake of an iPhone for 000, for the sake of 35-15-130 pairs of shoes dolce haban and so on. To hang out beautifully. dress your nasty ones cool and ride them to different places. Any economic or any other growth is simply converted into their consumption, not in ours, not in mine, and not in the guys with whom I hang around in harsh medieval conditions like a slave. And there is no other work and will not be .I have not yet described examples of violence and scammers. But all p There is simply no NKVD, no camps, no mass executions. And they themselves, these commerce people, tell how they rented machine tools for metal and cut Soviet factories and bought things and other show-offs. That's how it really happens.
                      9. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 11 October 2019 14: 48
                        +2
                        Quote: sniperino
                        you mastered the advertising of your opuses

                        By the way, this is not an advertisement of my opuses, but a detailed and detailed justification of my own opinion with the formulation of the problem, which, as I said above, is a bit of a bother to you, i.e. below your dignity.
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 10 October 2019 12: 33
            +3
            Quote: Tatiana
            How, in this sense, our leaders do not act as foreign agents of the US Federal Reserve?

            Khazaria also died
        2. boni592807
          boni592807 11 October 2019 17: 48
          0
          Dear, you have confused cause and effect, object and subject of action. The song of A. Mironov is funny to its performers, but to those who "... are not like idlers and could live ..." not very much. hi
      2. 210ox
        210ox 9 October 2019 15: 34
        -19
        It's not about Putin, but in the system that you switched to (or rather transferred to) at the beginning of 90's
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 9 October 2019 15: 40
          +41
          Quote: 210ox
          It's not about Putin, but in the system that you switched to (or rather transferred to) at the beginning of 90's

          I don’t agree with you .. the case is in Putin and in the system that he created .. The most flawed in this system is that none of the top officials bears any responsibility .. not to Putin, much less to the people .. If they scored on May decrees and no one was hurt, they will score for any other instructions .. That’s why the matter is still in Putin. And yet, I think that the issue of demography is not given due attention, because the solution to this problem is complex and will require the government to fully mobilize and brains .. But their head only works to ensure their own well-being ..
          1. Vend
            Vend 9 October 2019 15: 55
            -27
            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: 210ox
            It's not about Putin, but in the system that you switched to (or rather transferred to) at the beginning of 90's

            I don’t agree with you .. the case is in Putin and in the system that he created .. The most flawed in this system is that none of the top officials bears any responsibility .. not to Putin, much less to the people .. If they scored on May decrees and no one was hurt, they will score for any other instructions .. That’s why the matter is still in Putin. And yet, I think that the issue of demography is not given due attention, because the solution to this problem is complex and will require the government to fully mobilize and brains .. But their head only works to ensure their own well-being ..

            Well, the president is always your fault)) They give maternity capital, land, reduce mortgage interest, housing benefits, school uniform compensation, feed children at school for free, compensation for kindergarten, free travel, discounts for large families and so on. What else do you want to enter? Mostly officials use people's ignorance, but now officials have a tough time with it. Increasingly, they have to do what they have to do. Learning to assert your rights. For example, they wanted to throw me with a kindergarten, but it didn’t work out, although they fooled my head for four months. The officials will correct the grave.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 9 October 2019 16: 06
              +38
              Quote: Wend
              Well, you always have the president to blame))

              Well, and who ..!? Who is the guarantor of the Constitution? Who appoints the prime minister, who has a pocket thought? All control levers in one hand. And if desired, he can do whatever he pleases ... when necessary, and changed the Constitution ..
              Quote: Wend
              They increase maternity capital, land, reduce mortgage interest, housing benefits, school uniform compensation, feed children at school for free, compensation for kindergarten, free travel, discounts for large families, etc. What else do you want to enter?

              That's when they came up with mat capital, it was truly an excellent decision .. but they said A..a forgot about B .. half-measures .. Why? Because when they gave 250 t for a child, the apartment cost 500 t-600 t .. but how did you find out about the mat. Capital, prices soared to 1500 p. It was necessary to regulate housing prices .. tell me not in the market? right, a liberal market economy does not produce results .. Everything else either does not work or does not work for everyone and not everywhere ..
              Take the earth for the third child .. whether you don’t get it or not, they didn’t give me the third one, they said that you already have 18 your first child .. and they gave my acquaintance in such a place that he didn’t take taxes pay is not a hunt for illiquid assets .. Half measures .. everywhere, everywhere raw .. not finalized ..
              1. Vend
                Vend 9 October 2019 16: 25
                -28
                [quote = Svarog] [/ quote]
                That's just not true. Not thinking, but local officials decide what and how. For the second, we were given two mother capital one federal, the other local (Smolensk 108 000). Remember the sensational story about mortgage interest. One word of the president and the law is ready, but he is one, and officials-saboteurs throughout Russia, like cockroaches. The Duma issues many good laws, but sabotage them locally. We have to deal with this ourselves. And in order for laws to work, you need to know your rights. and who knows them at 100%. Any law is run in, then finalized. Well, for example, does not work? Free travel works, housing and communal services benefit, works, kindergarten works for free, school uniform compensation works, and so on. Land or money for it must be punched, here officials have a rookery, especially in large cities. A discount on mortgages, here the banks turned, but you can try to get compensation for housing up to 30%. True papers have to be collected. Well, I have an older 13.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 9 October 2019 16: 39
                  +22
                  Quote: Wend
                  Free travel works, housing and communal services benefit, works, kindergarten works for free, school uniform compensation works, and so on. Earth or money for it must be punched,

                  I drive a car, for this reason I don’t know about free travel, kindergarten is free .. this is news to me, my youngest is 5 years old and recently received a 30% discount, because I got a job, and while I was out of work gave .. (complete absurdity), you probably live in Moscow, when I lived in Moscow, there and kindergartens all the rules and with free medicine .. but this is only in Moscow. I haven't heard the school uniform either)) By the way, the compensation I received for the kindergarten is "compensated" by the paid circles in the kindergarten, English is 400 rubles, drawing is 400 rubles.
                  Quote: Wend
                  A discount on mortgages, here the banks turned, but you can try to get compensation for housing up to 30%.

                  And why should everything be literally torn out of the state?
                  And who is stopping the president of the local officials from being tamed, even if you agree that he is poor one for the people, and all the rest are ghouls ... But the system built by him where they don’t give up theirs prevents ... The answer is very simple. Beat your own, so that strangers would be afraid ..
                  1. Vend
                    Vend 9 October 2019 17: 04
                    -25
                    Quote: Svarog
                    .
                    No, I'm from the Moscow region, though I only moved there a year ago. Since Soviet times, officials are used to it. dynamite, I personally can’t imagine how they can be made to execute. And if the answer was simple, then everything would have been decided long ago. Modern power is a compromise between power and the oligarchic elite. if there is no compromise, then we will return to 90. You look how stunned at unauthorized rallies runs. And if they will be financed a hundred times more? Now it’s not so difficult to arrange a civil war. Overseas help in this. Replacing all officials in the country is not realistic. And the governors are not allowed to work, they are sabotaged. I see one thing, since the time of 90's, life has become better. I do not want a refund
                    1. basmach
                      basmach 9 October 2019 17: 16
                      +16
                      In 90, yes. But in 80 I do not mind
                      1. Geo
                        Geo 9 October 2019 22: 39
                        +8
                        Quote: basmach
                        In 90, yes. But in 80 I do not mind

                        The 80s have one problem: the 90s will come from day to day
                      2. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 9 October 2019 23: 16
                        -20
                        Better in the 90s than in the 80s.
                      3. Geo
                        Geo 9 October 2019 23: 33
                        +11
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        Better in the 90s than in the 80s.

                        Do you enjoy being torn to pieces?
                      4. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 9 October 2019 23: 39
                        -14
                        No, money was cut easier. In the 90s, I had more in commerce than at the controls of an airplane.
                      5. Geo
                        Geo 9 October 2019 23: 53
                        +9
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        I in the 90s on commerce had

                        I happen to be in business no no yes I come across (less and less, true) with "businessmen from the 90s." Most of the people are absolutely illiterate - financially, managerially, legally, and in the industry. Such people could earn by "commerce" at one time only because:
                        1) it was always possible to find a niche in which there was more demand on the market than offers (Soviet people, the majority, didn’t rush into commerce — that was education).
                        2) There was complete anarchy, dishonesty in business was not a minus, but a plus, replacing planning, analysis, knowledge.

                        There is nothing wrong with the fact that such "businessmen" have sunk into oblivion (almost).
                      6. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 10 October 2019 00: 00
                        0
                        I was a businessman involuntarily. Where are you going when your wife and three little ones are in your arms? And the airline did not pay salaries for 3-4 months, and the cat cried. So there was caviar to the south, fruits to the north, computers, office equipment, and cars from Europe. Jack of all trades.
                      7. Geo
                        Geo 10 October 2019 00: 03
                        +7
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        was involuntarily

                        Love bondage more than will?
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                      9. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 10 October 2019 13: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        No, money was cut easier.

                        money was cut easier .... how is it?
                        this is when you do not have to pay taxes?
                        when it cached 1%?
                        Is this when 10 times more green peas drove into a country in a year than all European countries produced in a year?
                        this is when the cost was multiplied by ten at retail?
                        or is it when you can privatize state assets for free?
                        tell us how you chopped cabbage in the 90s!
                    2. Observer2014
                      Observer2014 9 October 2019 18: 22
                      +16
                      What forcibly took blood out of you in the 90s? Why are you, like the one spoken, rubbing the same garbage "since the 90s, life has become better." The better? The salary is lower. The housing is more expensive. All around the loans. There is no work. All around the Gaster. They don’t take them to work. The prices are terrible. Then the apartment cost $ 10000. You could buy it in a year. Now you have to plow all your life for this garbage. Yes, the military did Better. Those against the background of us get high. They get high on pensions. We work. We climb out of our skin. Do you justify this? Then, in return, we saw you in an immodest place. Why do we need this?
                      1. Geo
                        Geo 9 October 2019 22: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: Observer2014
                        Salary is less.

                        Less than in the 90s? My father had enough salaries in the 90s, I remember, to go to the market and buy a winter jacket for me. All! This is when she was paid at all. Now he works in the same place as in the 90s - there will be enough money for 10-30 children's jackets.
                        For me, such a measurement of the salary of the same person working in the same job, in terms of the same things - is very significant.
                        Quote: Observer2014
                        Retired bliss.

                        I ask pensioners from the forum to tell how they get high when this respectable husband is working hard.
                      2. Varyag71
                        Varyag71 10 October 2019 09: 42
                        -5
                        Sergey, they don’t understand this until they are touched.
                      3. Geo
                        Geo 10 October 2019 12: 25
                        +2
                        What will not affect? Need to work?
                      4. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 10 October 2019 13: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: Observer2014
                        Which is better?

                        in all areas of life!
                        Quote: Observer2014
                        Less salary

                        You're lying! salary is much higher now !!!!!
                        Quote: Observer2014
                        Housing is more expensive

                        more affordable housing has become every 10 !!!!!
                        Quote: Observer2014
                        Then an apartment of 10000 was worth

                        with a salary of $ 200 ...... well, well .....
                        Quote: Observer2014
                        You could buy in a year

                        Well, you probably bought 10 apartments and now rent them ... for 35t.rub. per month .... total your income 350t.rub ... is that right?
                        Quote: Observer2014
                        We plow. We climb out of our skin. Do you justify it?

                        Well, how many taxes did you pay last year? plowman.......
                    3. Ross xnumx
                      Ross xnumx 9 October 2019 18: 26
                      +17
                      Quote: Wend
                      I see one thing, since the 90s, life has become better. I do not want a refund

                      You know, probably there is not a single person on the site who wants to return to the 90s. But there are no prospects ahead with such housekeeping.
                      It will reach you when there will be no return from the demographic pit just because all these tricky plans will simply end with the departure of the edrozhirs and Putin himself. Rejoice a bit:

                      One thing is clear precisely and irrevocably. It doesn’t matter that the pensioners didn’t receive 1000 rubles for their pension, it’s important that Putin agreed that our officials live in poverty and raised their salaries (those that exceed 300 rubles) by 000%. This is very necessary, right now, when the salaries of state employees in the country (they also increased by 4,3%) do not even reach this increase ...
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 9 October 2019 21: 00
                        +2
                        Quote: ROSS 42
                        You know, probably there is not a single person on the site who wants to return to 90

                        In 90 I lived much better than now.
                      2. New Year day
                        New Year day 9 October 2019 21: 10
                        +6
                        Quote: ROSS 42
                        all these cunning plans will simply end with the departure of the edrozhirs and Putin himself.

                        they bury us first
                      3. Geo
                        Geo 9 October 2019 22: 59
                        +9
                        Quote: ROSS 42
                        there is not a single person on the site

                        In the 90s there were also those on whom a few nishtyaks spilled out with foolishness on someone's thread of a satisfying table. Now for them the 90th blessed time. And they don’t give a damn that the country was robbed right then, that the rest lived on the brink, that most of today's problems (which are reflected on them today too) arose in the 90s.
                        There are such units, of course, but these unique ones even here in VO sometimes get out in the comments.
                    4. New Year day
                      New Year day 9 October 2019 21: 07
                      +16
                      Quote: Wend
                      since 90's, life has become better.

                      it's not the same for everybody
                      1. Geo
                        Geo 9 October 2019 23: 00
                        -13
                        Do you build temples for your money?
                      2. Revival
                        Revival 10 October 2019 09: 38
                        +7
                        Including for him.
                        Since the state, which is secular in our country, allocates money from the budget to the church, as it were, and the court, by the way, recognized a unique formula: the Russian Orthodox Church does not trade in churches, but "gives the visitor mutually free of charge according to the approved price list," therefore, they say, they do not pay tax!
                        Try also and present such a tax formula, I think they will understand you and they will not take the tax either)
                      3. Geo
                        Geo 10 October 2019 12: 54
                        -1
                        Quote: Revival
                        the state, which is secular in our country, allocates money from the budget to a separate church

                        80% of the population call themselves Orthodox. Consider that part of their taxes goes to support the Orthodox Church.
                        7% of the population build mosques.
                        2% build houses of prayer, etc.
                        2% - pagodas.
                        1% - synagogues.
                        1% - churches.
                        7% - contain a mausoleum, monuments to Lenin throughout the country, the Yeltsin Center and more.

                        If a given citizen were in the same 80%, he would not write such posts. And that means that he does not finance the ROC, but something else from the list, which means he can’t resent the fact that he builds churches with his money, because it’s not for him.
                        Everything is so simple that you need to have a very sophisticated brain not to realize it. As practice shows, the so-called "atheists" are still fanatics.
                      4. Revival
                        Revival 10 October 2019 13: 38
                        +2
                        So.
                        By default, this citizen gives to the budget and from there, without asking him what and where, they allocate. So it is not a fact that he does not finance the ROC.
                      5. Geo
                        Geo 10 October 2019 17: 58
                        -1
                        Then someone from the Orthodox finances the mausoleum. Netting
                      6. Revival
                        Revival 10 October 2019 18: 12
                        +1
                        And how many mausoleums are being built in our country?
                      7. Geo
                        Geo 10 October 2019 22: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Revival
                        And how many mausoleums are being built in our country?

                        + Lenins throughout the country, + Yeltsin center = and so already bust for 7%
                        Don't you think?
                      8. Revival
                        Revival 11 October 2019 01: 21
                        -1
                        1. Much more than 7.
                        2. Yeltsin center here what side?
                      9. Geo
                        Geo 11 October 2019 01: 40
                        +5
                        Quote: Revival
                        1. Much more than 7.
                        2. Yeltsin center here what side?

                        1. Your dreams, if you do not have evidence for them, it is better to keep it with you, so as not to pass yourself know who.
                        2. Do you think atheists are all communists? I’ll tell you that Yeltsin needs to build palaces as a souvenir - one must not be afraid of God at all.
                      10. Revival
                        Revival 11 October 2019 08: 19
                        -1
                        Once again, I will ask, what does the Yeltsin Center have to do with this? Yeltsin Center people did not ask to build at all, it is a toy of "a narrow circle of people".
                      11. Lannan Shi
                        Lannan Shi 10 October 2019 19: 33
                        -5
                        Quote: Geo
                        Then someone from the Orthodox

                        In Germany, an extremely simple formula works. Do you claim to be a Catholic, Protestant or is there a priest of cthulhu? Forward. Pay the tax of your denomination. It’s quite serious by the way. Keep the confession yourself. Do not pay? Be silent about your religiosity. Unbeliever you. And in Germany there are Orthodox. But you and Gundyaev are not Orthodox, you are lazy pigeons.
                      12. Geo
                        Geo 10 October 2019 22: 16
                        +3
                        Quote: Lannan Shi
                        you are lazy pigeons.

                        I don’t understand - who are you?
                      13. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 10 October 2019 13: 19
                        -1
                        Quote: Geo
                        Do you build temples for your money?

                        cons - this is a clear provocation ...
                        or people on this site are extremely stupid !!!!
                        never mind.
                      14. New Year day
                        New Year day 10 October 2019 17: 10
                        +3
                        Quote: NEOZ
                        or people on this site are extremely stupid !!!!

                        of course. you are one wise and can read laughing
                        In 2015 year The Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation allocated about 112 million rubles from the budget. Orthodox St. Tikhon Humanitarian University. In 2015, the Central Clinical Hospital of St. Alexis at the Moscow Patriarchate received 198 million rubles from the Ministry of Health, another 178 million rubles are provided for in the new budget for the hospital. The budget for 2016 includes about 1 billion rubles. “To the charity fund for the restoration of the Resurrection New Jerusalem Stauropegial Monastery of the Russian Orthodox Church” - the founder of the fund is the monastery itself.
                        Believe. that the Ministry of Education and Health make money themselves? laughing Or do they get it from the budget?
                      15. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 10 October 2019 17: 23
                        -4
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        of course. you are one wise and can read

                        you are either a fool or a provocateur ...
                        I consider you a provocateur ...
                        your task is not the truth, not the truth, but an increase in the degree of tension in society through the manipulation of facts.
                      16. New Year day
                        New Year day 10 October 2019 17: 26
                        +2
                        Quote: NEOZ
                        I consider you a provocateur ...

                        all your arguments? Weakly. Nothing to say on the numbers. So whose money does the ROC live on? laughing laughing
                        Quote: NEOZ
                        your task is not true not true

                        and yours? Blah blah? refute the numbers to begin with, you are our "truth seeker". You are comfortable with your "truth", which has nothing to do with the truth
                      17. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 10 October 2019 17: 53
                        -5
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        all your arguments? Weakly. Nothing to say on the numbers.

                        housing stock increased by 31% since 2000
                        1,4 times since 2003, the need to improve housing conditions decreased
                        the volume of mortgage issuance has increased 33 times since 2004
                        80 million m2 or more of housing has been introduced annually since 2014. The highest level in history
                        The Russian Federation was achieved in 2015 - more than 85 million m2. in 2000, 49 million m2 were introduced ...
                        it is only for housing ....
                        Further:
                        "The annual Mastercard Global Destination Cities Index: Origins rating determines which countries are most likely to travel abroad. According to data released today, Russia is ranked ninth in the ranking. The United States and China hold the lead, moving from seventh place in 2009 to second." , - said in a press release.
                        According to the study, residents of the Russian Federation most often visit Antalya in Turkey, as well as Pattaya and Phuket in Thailand.
                        more...
                        new car market:
                        2000 10 foreign cars sold (Daewoo NEXIA leader)
                        2018 1 800 cars were sold in 000 (leader of HENDA SOLARIS)

                        improving the standard of living of the population on the face !!!!!!
                        it’s simply impossible not to notice this !!!
                        Conclusion: YOU ARE THE LAWYER.
                      18. New Year day
                        New Year day 10 October 2019 20: 53
                        +3
                        [
                        Quote: NEOZ
                        housing stock increased by 31% since 2000
                        1,4 times since 2003, the need to improve housing conditions decreased
                        the volume of mortgage issuance has increased 33 times since 2004

                        these are built meters, and who and how can enter them?
                        In 2018, about 1,5 million loans worth more than 3 trillion rubles were issued (+ 50% by 2017). A decrease in the income level of citizens does not allow real estate to become affordable, despite the positive dynamics of the housing affordability coefficient. Theoretically, families with an income of 30 thousand rubles can buy an apartment. But nafter repayment of the loan, such families will have almost no money left for life. In terms of the ratio of housing prices and wages, Russia is inferior to most developed and developing countries, including Mexico, India and Turkey. The cost per square meter of housing in Russia exceeds the average monthly salary by almost half.
                        Auditor of the Accounts Chamber Svetlana Orlova: only 30% of Russian families can purchase housing on a mortgage. According to her, Russian families are reluctant to use such a tool to solve the housing problem because of the extremely low income level and high borrowing.
                        Non-commercial lease of a municipal-state nature: the area of ​​such real estate is less than 3% of the total fund of Russia. The waiting period for relying on socially rented housing can be extended indefinitely and depends on the time of queuing, on the region and the size of its housing budget, on the number of waiting lists and beneficiaries.
                        As you can see, only buying and only on credit and this is only 30% of the population!


                        Quote: NEOZ
                        2018 1 cars sold

                        General Director of the National Bureau of Credit Histories (NBCH) Alexander Vikulin: the share of loans when buying a car is 50%.
                        Leading evaluator of the consulting group SRG Alexander Bagretsov: “The average size of a car loan increased by more than 15%, which is explained by the rise in price of cars themselves. The share of cars purchased on credit today is more than 50% of the total number of cars sold. ”
                        Hyundai sells 32% of new cars under branded loan programs, although the total number of loan transactions exceeds 50%.
                        Cars priced up to 500 thousand rubles are now available to 20% of Russians.
                        Cars worth about 1,2 million rubles are available to 6,6 percent of Russians.
                        Cars worth more than 5 million rubles can buy 0,9 percent of the population.
                        Again, everything is bought on credit and again not by all, only 27.% of Russians can have a car.
                        Quote: NEOZ
                        improving the standard of living of the population on the face !!!!!!

                        The storyteller you, however!
                        Rosstat: Real disposable cash incomes of the Russian population have been falling for the fifth year in a row - since 2014. In 2018, they decreased by another 0,2%. This means that Russians in real terms continue to get poorer.

                        Putin’s direct line in 2019: Vladimir Putin, in the course of the “direct line”, agreed that in recent years, the citizens of the country have begun to live harder.
                        Quote: NEOZ
                        Conclusion: YOU ARE THE LAWYER.

                        The conclusion is different: you are not a literate person who is bursting with all his might, like a peacock

                        You don’t even listen to Putin and you don’t read statistics. Get better prepared for the discussion.
                        PS if you believe that Russia is only for 30% of the population (together with you), and the rest are in the furnace, then I think differently.
                      19. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 11 October 2019 10: 56
                        -2
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Rosstat: Real disposable cash incomes of the Russian population have been falling for the fifth year in a row - since 2014.

                        Show statistics since 2000! Putin since 2000
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        these are built meters, and who and how can enter them?

                        Are houses built empty? .....
                        I clearly showed you that since 2000 the growth of the standard of living of the population per person !!!!
                        do you disagree with this?
                      20. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 11 October 2019 11: 06
                        -1
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        In terms of the ratio of housing prices and wages, Russia is inferior to most developed and developing countries, including Mexico, India and Turkey.

                        maybe because these are countries without winter? (without negative temperatures year-round)
                        ps
                        You are definitely a PROVOCATOR !!!!!!!!
                      21. Geo
                        Geo 10 October 2019 22: 33
                        -1
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        The Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation allocated about 112 million rubles from the budget. Orthodox St. Tikhon Humanitarian University

                        I know of several graduates of similar universities who work in quite mundane positions, one even in the civil service. This is called a liberal education. At the same time, I know a physician (even two) and a pilot who became priests. Will medical universities and flight schools be deprived of funding?
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        In 2015, the Central Clinical Hospital of St. Alexis at the Moscow Patriarchate received 198 million rubles from the Ministry of Health, and another 178 million rubles are provided for the hospital in the new budget.

                        The hospital was built by the Orthodox on personal funds and is financed today mainly by the Russian Orthodox Church
                        The hospital has a capacity of 297 beds and annually more than 7000 patients receive medical care.
                        that the state helps is good.
                      22. Geo
                        Geo 10 October 2019 23: 18
                        +2
                        Total, according to your data:
                        2015 year
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        112 млн

                        Quote: Silvestr
                        198 млн

                        310 million (198 of them to a hospital treating citizens in the structure of medical insurance).

                        2016 year
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        178 млн

                        Quote: Silvestr
                        The budget for 2016 includes about 1 billion rubles.

                        1178 million (178 of them to the Oms hospital).

                        I think you nevertheless lied to the numbers, or someone who you reposted them lied, but still it doesn’t work out a lot: on average 744 million per year 0,004% of the federal budget. In comparison, managing the president’s affairs eats up nearly 1%. And this is for 80% of the country's population. What kind of financing are we talking about?
                      23. Revival
                        Revival 11 October 2019 01: 23
                        0
                        I ask you do not need high-profile confessions and self-flagellation, everyone guessed so.
                        Why is this self-disclosure?
                      24. New Year day
                        New Year day 10 October 2019 17: 00
                        +6
                        Quote: Geo
                        Do you build temples for your money?

                        google, how the Russian Orthodox Church pays taxes and what it lives on.
                        In February, the Primate of the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC), Patriarch Kirill spent in Cuba, Chile, Paraguay, Brazil, on the island of Waterloo and Antarctica.
                        To travel to Latin America, the patriarch and approximately one hundred escort people used Il-96-300 aircraft with tail number RA-96018, which operates the special flight unit "Russia". This airline is subordinate to the management of the affairs of the president and serves the top officials of the state.
                        The Russian Orthodox Church received about 165 objects for free use, and about 100 in ownership, it follows from the data on the website of the Federal Property Management Agency. “No wonder,” Anoprienko explains. - The church chooses to use free of charge, because in this case it can use state funding and rely on subsidies for the restoration and maintenance of churches from the authorities. ».
                        In 2012–2015, the Russian Orthodox Church and its affiliates received at least 14 billion rubles from the budget and from state organizations. The new version of the budget for 2016 provides 2,6 billion rubles
                      25. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 10 October 2019 17: 24
                        -5
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        google, how the Russian Orthodox Church pays taxes and what it lives on.

                        Do you think this is not targeted spending?
                        stand for election and go!
                      26. New Year day
                        New Year day 10 October 2019 17: 29
                        +6
                        Quote: NEOZ
                        Do you think this is not targeted spending?

                        do not turn on the fool! Remember the question of your colleague?
                        Quote: Geo
                        Do you build temples for your money?

                        I pay taxes regularly, therefore, the Russian Orthodox Church also lives on my money.
                      27. Geo
                        Geo 11 October 2019 10: 22
                        0
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        In 2012–2015, the Russian Orthodox Church and related structures received at least 14 billion rubles from the budget and from state organizations

                        Confirm the figures you are citing, and I will recount them again to 80% of the country's population. And if there is nothing to confirm - then, I'm sorry, but you are lying and there’s nothing to talk to you about.
                        1 or 2?
                      28. Vend
                        Vend 10 October 2019 09: 50
                        -4
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Quote: Wend
                        since 90's, life has become better.

                        it's not the same for everybody

                        Well, a statistical link is certainly good, BUT which hospitals are fewer? Which schools are fewer? And what temples became more? If in a village where there are no children, everyone moved to the city, closed the school, is that bad? For the purity of statistics, you need to know what the organization that collects the statistical data relies on. And so this is just a filkin letter, for stupid people who begin to swing it in all directions.
                      29. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 10 October 2019 10: 42
                        +6
                        Quote: Wend
                        And so it's just filkin diploma, for stupid people,

                        We built churches instead of a cinema and cafe (and even chopped off the land from the park). Now in our city there is not a single cinema (there was 4, in place of the remaining 2's there were shopping centers, and the last one was covered after reconstruction and the fire in Vishnu). In one kindergarten, a lot of offices, but in the next with difficulty a child is satisfied, there are not enough places.
                      30. Vend
                        Vend 11 October 2019 09: 49
                        -1
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: Wend
                        And so it's just filkin diploma, for stupid people,

                        We built churches instead of a cinema and cafe (and even chopped off the land from the park). Now in our city there is not a single cinema (there was 4, in place of the remaining 2's there were shopping centers, and the last one was covered after reconstruction and the fire in Vishnu). In one kindergarten, a lot of offices, but in the next with difficulty a child is satisfied, there are not enough places.

                        And we are renovating a cinema, building children's sedans, schools, and the construction of the church is planned after the construction of the housing complex. The examples are different, as the ancients say, nothing can be proved and refuted. Everything rests on officials and concerned citizens.
                      31. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 11 October 2019 12: 51
                        0
                        Quote: Wend
                        Everything rests on officials and concerned citizens.

                        Interested citizens gathered in the Palace of Culture, when we were raised three times for the garbage collection. No use. Our deputy lied for the people, promised to figure it out, and screwed up. Still, probably, understands.
                      32. Vend
                        Vend 11 October 2019 12: 56
                        0
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: Wend
                        Everything rests on officials and concerned citizens.

                        Interested citizens gathered in the Palace of Culture, when we were raised three times for the garbage collection. No use. Our deputy lied for the people, promised to figure it out, and screwed up. Still, probably, understands.

                        Well, we, too, were not able to cancel the garbage issue, but we managed to directly break the path from the LCD to the city, and the speed bumps managed to be removed, because of them there were big traffic jams in the morning.
                      33. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 10 October 2019 13: 26
                        -2
                        Quote: Wend
                        And so it's just filkin diploma, for stupid people,

                        and there is!
                        this is done by a specialist, for not very smart people, to increase the level of tension in the country.
                      34. Lannan Shi
                        Lannan Shi 10 October 2019 19: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: Wend
                        For the purity of statistics you need to know

                        For the sake of clean statistics, let’s say we will send you to the district center Arbazh, Vyatka province. Yes, so that there the appendix grabs you. And so that by regular bus, which once a day, go to the hospital 200 km. And if you don’t die on the road, then we’ll talk whether it’s good or bad, to close hospitals and schools.
                      35. Vend
                        Vend 11 October 2019 13: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: Lannan Shi
                        Quote: Wend
                        For the purity of statistics you need to know

                        For the sake of clean statistics, let’s say we will send you to the district center Arbazh, Vyatka province. Yes, so that there the appendix grabs you. And so that by regular bus, which once a day, go to the hospital 200 km. And if you don’t die on the road, then we’ll talk whether it’s good or bad, to close hospitals and schools.

                        This is not for the sake of clean statistics. And you don’t get drunk too much) we have one clinic in the whole town and an ambulance arrives in two hours at least, so you won’t scare me with your words. But we do not sit, but regularly attack officials with this problem. It will be necessary and heavy artillery is applicable) It is difficult to break through, but the road will overpower the walking one. We need a result. Not moaning or sanctioned screeching.
                      36. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 10 October 2019 12: 30
                        0
                        Most of these hospitals and schools have closed since the 2000s due to urbanization, the villages of the villages were dying young in the cities and district centers moved.
                      37. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 10 October 2019 13: 24
                        0
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        it's not the same for everybody

                        But can you give exactly the same statistics on the annual commissioning of new housing?
                        selling new cars?
                        by the level of those who go on vacation abroad?
                        by road quality?
                        by the illumination of city streets?
                        by the number of students in school?
                        this would complement the picture .....
                      38. New Year day
                        New Year day 10 October 2019 17: 12
                        +2
                        Quote: NEOZ
                        But can you give exactly the same statistics on the annual commissioning of new housing?

                        what to ask? Bring yourself. At the same time indicate: how many poor people received, what is the share of lending and borrowing of the population
                    5. Ironcity
                      Ironcity 9 October 2019 22: 26
                      +11
                      But you don’t have to imagine how to make officials work, you are not the president. But with what fright Putin, who has not learned this for 20 years, is still the head of state, the question is interesting. Maybe it’s time for him to rest already, for years, so 16 is already like time, if it doesn’t work, then why suffer?
                      1. Vend
                        Vend 10 October 2019 09: 52
                        -7
                        Quote: Ironcity
                        But you don’t have to imagine how to make officials work, you are not the president. But with what fright Putin, who has not learned this for 20 years, is still the head of state, the question is interesting. Maybe it’s time for him to rest already, for years, so 16 is already like time, if it doesn’t work, then why suffer?

                        There is only one president, and count officials throughout Russia. And this I regularly encounter with officials. The easiest way is to blame everything on the president and wait until everyone decides for you. No, this is not my way. Unauthorized rallies and butch, I and people like me need the result. And in many cases I get it, I would really like to increase the effectiveness)
                      2. Ironcity
                        Ironcity 10 October 2019 10: 52
                        +9
                        If the leader is overwhelmed with the same tasks due to the non-performance of subordinates, then he is a worthless leader. This is an axiom. But, in fact, Putin is not a bad leader, unfortunately. It’s just that all these problems we are discussing are completely indifferent to him. In what is important - the retention of power, he achieved outstanding success. During these 20 years, a coup d'etat has been completed, the foundations of the state, enshrined in the constitution, have been destroyed. The separation and independence of the authorities degenerated into completely controlled by the Duma, the courts and the caricature of the Senate. Outbreaks turned into a circus. Freedom of speech, expression of will, assembly is seriously limited. And these economies, the standard of living of the population, other garbage, but who is interested in it up there.
                      3. Vend
                        Vend 11 October 2019 09: 51
                        -2
                        Quote: Ironcity
                        If the leader is overwhelmed with the same tasks due to the non-performance of subordinates, then he is a worthless leader. This is an axiom. But, in fact, Putin is not a bad leader, unfortunately. It’s just that all these problems we are discussing are completely indifferent to him. In what is important - the retention of power, he achieved outstanding success. During these 20 years, a coup d'etat has been completed, the foundations of the state, enshrined in the constitution, have been destroyed. The separation and independence of the authorities degenerated into completely controlled by the Duma, the courts and the caricature of the Senate. Outbreaks turned into a circus. Freedom of speech, expression of will, assembly is seriously limited. And these economies, the standard of living of the population, other garbage, but who is interested in it up there.

                        The only thing I can tell you is to study the matter more carefully.
                      4. Ironcity
                        Ironcity 11 October 2019 12: 13
                        0
                        Thank. Mutually.
                      5. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 10 October 2019 13: 27
                        -3
                        Quote: Ironcity
                        Maybe it’s time for him to rest already, for years, so 16 is already like time, if it doesn’t work, then why suffer?

                        yes yes, the Americans say so ... remove Putin and start a dialogue with you .......
                      6. Ironcity
                        Ironcity 10 October 2019 13: 52
                        +1
                        I don’t know what you have there for negotiations with the Americans, well, let’s say, and now what, should we carry it as a banner, if only to annoy the Americans? And if they say tomorrow that they don’t talk to gays, will you change your orientation so that they don’t enter into a dialogue with you?
                      7. New Year day
                        New Year day 10 October 2019 17: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: NEOZ
                        yes yes, the Americans say so ... remove Putin and start a dialogue with you .....

                        were you invited or blah blah?
                      8. Vend
                        Vend 11 October 2019 09: 52
                        0
                        Quote: NEOZ
                        Quote: Ironcity
                        Maybe it’s time for him to rest already, for years, so 16 is already like time, if it doesn’t work, then why suffer?

                        yes yes, the Americans say so ... remove Putin and start a dialogue with you .......

                        Yes, to bring Russia back to the state of 90's.
                      9. Victor N
                        Victor N 10 October 2019 14: 39
                        -1
                        Let Putin work! No one in the comments has any sensible suggestions! Consequently, there is no substitute for either Putin or officials.
                      10. New Year day
                        New Year day 10 October 2019 17: 18
                        +2
                        Quote: Victor N
                        Consequently, there is no substitute for either Putin or officials.

                        then, after his physical departure, we will all die! Or roll him into the mausoleum and pray?
                      11. Victor N
                        Victor N 11 October 2019 11: 50
                        -3
                        it doesn't seem like you can replace him. Until a replacement is found, let it work. If you do not find a replacement - YOU and die.
                      12. New Year day
                        New Year day 11 October 2019 18: 31
                        -2
                        Quote: Victor N
                        it doesn't seem like you can replace him.

                        don't feel like
                        Quote: Victor N
                        Until a replacement is found, let it work.

                        Will they choose?

                        who is looking for her? Is he? I doubt it.
                        Quote: Victor N
                        If you do not find a replacement - YOU and die.

                        everyone is born and dies alone.
                    6. WIKI
                      WIKI 10 October 2019 08: 26
                      0
                      The Communists failed to build communism in a single country, and Putin's Russia managed to do this in a single region. Read the comments below the video, this is the best explanation of the minuses you received:
                      1. Vend
                        Vend 10 October 2019 09: 57
                        -3
                        Quote: WIKI
                        The Communists failed to build communism in a single country, and Putin's Russia managed to do this in a single region. Read the comments below the video, this is the best explanation of the minuses you received:]

                        Cons are not scary for me, you won’t scare me with this. But the fact that they gave out a gift, what is the problem?
                      2. WIKI
                        WIKI 10 October 2019 10: 57
                        +5
                        You, in my opinion, have not read the comments below the video. The problem is people living in the regions, and you have no problems. This is precisely the problem.
                  2. 2 Level Advisor
                    2 Level Advisor 9 October 2019 18: 05
                    +9
                    For some reason, when such as insulting power and TP on the Internet, for example, and all that must find and control, easy to find .. and here's the problem ..
                    In fact, everything is simple - I set the task for Chaika and ordered the same prosecutor's office to report two months later, I assure you that they will all find you right away and come up with a punishment, though not all of them, of course, but the rest will immediately come in tone ..
                    The question is, why not punish for the failure to comply with the decrees of the President? It seems because they don’t ask for it properly.
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 9 October 2019 21: 20
                      +9
                      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                      why not punish for failure to comply with Presidential decrees?

                      and who will control the execution?
                      The business empire of the son of Attorney General Chaika

                      New possessions of the son of the Minister of Internal Affairs Kolokoltsev
                    2. Revival
                      Revival 10 October 2019 09: 41
                      +3
                      I think because nobody really needs these decrees, including the one who invented them
                2. Varyag71
                  Varyag71 10 October 2019 09: 26
                  -1
                  The Duma issues many good laws, but they sabotage locally ... your conscience doesn’t write like that
                  1. Vend
                    Vend 10 October 2019 09: 58
                    -4
                    Quote: Varyag71
                    The Duma issues many good laws, but they sabotage locally ... your conscience doesn’t write like that

                    Do you google the laws yourself or do you write and chew?
                3. Revival
                  Revival 10 October 2019 09: 30
                  +1
                  That is, if you get angry at the top that the official sabotages the localities, will he be punished? Not!
                  That's why it's to blame!
                  Where is the control system?
                  Without a control system, law is useless
                  1. Vend
                    Vend 10 October 2019 10: 00
                    -4
                    Quote: Revival
                    That is, if you get angry at the top that the official sabotages the localities, will he be punished? Not!
                    That's why it's to blame!
                    Where is the control system?
                    Without a control system, law is useless

                    In order to punish an official, he must be convicted, you just cannot take and dismiss him.
                    1. Revival
                      Revival 10 October 2019 10: 03
                      +4
                      Good. You have submitted all the necessary papers, the time allotted for the official’s actions has passed, nothing has been done.
                      You are complaining. The fact of violation on the face. But the official is not doing anything.
                      What else do you need to convict? What is the difficulty?
                      1. Vend
                        Vend 10 October 2019 10: 21
                        -1
                        Quote: Revival
                        Good. You have submitted all the necessary papers, the time allotted for the official’s actions has passed, nothing has been done.
                        You are complaining. The fact of violation on the face. But the official is not doing anything.
                        What else do you need to convict? What is the difficulty?

                        That's just the point, when you start to operate with papers they do everything. They tried to push me so hard with kindergarten until I wrote a written notice to the department head by the evening of that day. allocated a place. And not somewhere, but in our same LCD.
                      2. Revival
                        Revival 10 October 2019 13: 49
                        +2
                        I wrote a request to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. 30 days have passed, silence ...
                        Wrote to the prosecutor's office in Moscow. No violations found.
                        Or write for the president on every occasion?
                        A penniless system in which the hope of solving the smallest question requires writing to the president
              2. at84432384
                at84432384 9 October 2019 16: 50
                +32
                It has long been clear that he is no "guarantor". In 2014, Nabiullina halved the ruble exchange rate (without any economic reasons), while causing damage to the state in 200 lard green rubles (I am not even talking about the ruined thousands and thousands of "equity holders"). Grossly violated the Constitution and the Law on the Central Bank. And where is the "guarantor" ?! He immediately attracted the Prosecutor's Office, the Investigative Committee, the FSB? He gave this bastard a medal ... Here's to ride a dryndalete, to speak 1-2 times a year at an All-Russian talk show with decoys - yes, he loves it and can. Now the government is "knocking down" the May decrees. And this is not punished. Liberals do what they want, but he is silent ... Maybe when Trump dumps the financial international and Putin revives, but for now he is like a wedding general.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 9 October 2019 17: 32
                  -13
                  If they hadn’t lowered the budget deficit in 2014, there would have been more than 2 trillion - with all the consequences for all budget spending items, including the defense industry
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 9 October 2019 18: 34
                    0
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    would be more than 2 trillion - with all the consequences for all items of budget expenditures, including defense

                    Ha..two trillion is mere trifles for our oligarchs .. would have thrown off and business then .. but it’s easier to strip people ..
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 9 October 2019 21: 11
                      -9
                      You do not forget from our oligarchs most of the funds - in real estate and movable property - this is not pure money, which you just took out of your pocket and gave away.
                    2. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 9 October 2019 23: 18
                      -16
                      Take and share? The Sharikovs are indestructible.
                      1. Revival
                        Revival 10 October 2019 10: 05
                        +8
                        Are you talking about aligarchs?
                        They are doing just that. They take it and share it.
                        Or can they?
                      2. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 10 October 2019 12: 35
                        -2
                        Personally, they don’t take anything from me and even friends and relatives alike - but they take it from you, really want to know what they take from you?
                      3. Revival
                        Revival 10 October 2019 13: 54
                        +3
                        They take away from me and the rest every day.
                        Since they receive profits that they are not supposed to, but could go to the budget, therefore, it would be possible to pay people a not so shameful pension, not to have such a shameful child allowance, not to have such a miserable minimum wage, to maintain more hospitals and schools , paying doctors and teachers is normal and not for "three shifts" but for one, etc. ad infinitum
                  2. at84432384
                    at84432384 9 October 2019 18: 51
                    +13
                    What are you talking about! 200 billion at the rate of 30rub / dollar. it's 6 trillion. Then the state reserves of the currency was enough to keep the exchange rate. Now there is plenty of it, but Siluanov promises to lower the ruble exchange rate by the end of the year. The idea of ​​giving raw materials producers extra profits at the expense of the population and manufacturers of high-tech products is perfectly understandable.
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 9 October 2019 21: 08
                      -6
                      "Then the state currency reserves were enough to keep the rate." And what does the state reserve have to do with it - do you want us to eat it after 2014 every subsequent year?
                  3. Revival
                    Revival 10 October 2019 09: 43
                    +4
                    Your logic is normal: do not earn more so that rubles are in the budget, and make inflated rubles by dropping the rate!
                    And is this an achievement, quality work?
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 10 October 2019 12: 41
                      -1
                      Well, if you find a way to make and sell products for 2 trillion rubles in a year, then you need to be a professor of macroeconomics - personally, I don’t know how to do this, especially in the economic conditions that were in 2014, 2015, 2016, and years.
                      1. Revival
                        Revival 10 October 2019 13: 56
                        +2
                        They must work every day to ensure that real rubles in the budget are enough, and not rush to arrange lowering the rate to create inflated rubles for a day, a year, etc.
                2. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 9 October 2019 18: 33
                  +23
                  Quote: at84432384
                  It has long been clear that he is no "guarantor".

                  You are not right! stop This is a "guarantor" - who needs a "guarantor" ...

                  And mind you, he holds them, doing nothing in the economy or in real life ... But, actually, why? It turns out that all the chaos of the 90s, into which no one wants to return, was done by just such people ... It was necessary for someone to do this ...
                  Putin is the head of this clan that grew up in the EBN era,
                  1. at84432384
                    at84432384 9 October 2019 18: 53
                    +17
                    Well yes. "Guarantor" of wealth for the rich and poverty that turns into poverty for the poor.
              3. NEOZ
                NEOZ 10 October 2019 13: 00
                -4
                Quote: Svarog
                they didn’t give me a third,

                you would just for free ....
                and what are you doing to develop your homeland?
                list your achievements in this direction!
            2. U-58
              U-58 9 October 2019 16: 25
              +27
              Well, what kind of compensation for kindergarten?
              I know such a privilege.
              Four children, the eldest disabled 18 years old, the youngest 3 years old.
              Husband-coven-day laborer.
              Right now it’s not working.
              And what is this "compensation" to her? ..
              But my son is 26 years old, one daughter.
              Mortgage
              So compensation is not due to him.
              I have to compensate myself.
              But can they all?
              No one except their parents supports the young Russian family ..
              But in the house rent apartments Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kyrgyz.
              Yes, the poor. But breed like rabbits.
              However, I strongly doubt that these children will come to work at our engine plant in 15 years.
              Rather, the markets will be their favorite place
              1. Karabin
                Karabin 9 October 2019 19: 39
                +23
                Quote: U-58
                However, I strongly doubt that these children will come to work at our engine plant in 15 years.

                Well, it's you in vain. In place of your engine plant in 15 years, you can get a wonderful market. wink
            3. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 9 October 2019 17: 29
              +11
              Quote: Wend
              Since Soviet times, officials are used to it. dynamite, I personally can’t imagine how they can be made to execute.

              Extremely simple. The project manager gives me the CU ... Well, let's say straighten the cuts and set the signs on the site N. Today. I am sending a grader and foreman with diggers. Tomorrow check and ... If not done, then either I fly out, if I scored on the words of the authorities, or the team leader if I scored on mine, or the diggers if I plumped and did not dig. As an option - I sit down if I sold to a solarium and the grader cannot work. A month later, in the most messed-up office, work is getting better. And if it doesn’t get better .... There are exactly two options. Either the leader is completely inadequate, to whom it is not that it is dangerous to trust the organization, because he loves it, well, or he didn’t come to work, but to rumble with tar and rubble. And the third is not given.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 9 October 2019 21: 05
                +4
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                I am sending a grader

                It can break, unlike the foreman with the diggers.
              2. Revival
                Revival 10 October 2019 09: 46
                +2
                Well, it seems that we cannot overpower such a simple scheme.
                Or maybe they just do not need it? Oh well, it can't be ...
            4. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 9 October 2019 17: 40
              +17
              Quote: Wend
              Well, the president is always your fault)) They give maternity capital, land, reduce mortgage interest, housing benefits, school uniform compensation, feed children at school for free, compensation for kindergarten, free travel, discounts for large families and so on. What else do you want to enter?

              You have been with a doctor for a long time.? Not in terms of your mental component, but simply in a clinic? For example, we have one optometrist per district and you’ll find horseradish coupons. An endocrinologist, a cardiologist will do the same. And this is in Yekaterinburg! In a small town. our government conducts business, I don’t know. But migrants receive benefits for large families and capital.
              1. Saul_Rhen
                Saul_Rhen 10 October 2019 01: 13
                -12
                So have children and get yourself. Or expect that you personally will bring money and children to Putin.
            5. d.olegov44
              d.olegov44 9 October 2019 17: 57
              +17
              Well, the president is always your fault)) They give maternity capital, land, reduce mortgage interest, housing benefits, school uniform compensation, feed children at school for free, compensation for kindergarten, free travel, discounts for large families and so on.

              About the Far Eastern hectare still forgotten.
              1. at84432384
                at84432384 9 October 2019 19: 05
                +18
                Well, this hectare is a song at all. I figured out what can be grown on 1 hectare of land with one crop per year to feed at least a small family? Apart from raw materials for the production of drugs, nothing comes of it. Even Pinocchio in the Country of Fools didn’t succeed ... It would be funny, but something sad ...
            6. GAF
              GAF 9 October 2019 19: 01
              -16
              Quote: Wend
              Well, you always have the president to blame)) They give maternity capital, land, reduce the interest on the mortgage, ...

              Anatoly (Anatoly himself too), you walk along the street and often meet family ladders of children with their parents for a walk, which was impossible to meet either in Soviet times, and even less so in the devastating demographics of the 90s and early 2000s. The heart rejoices, dearly. But then you go into VO and it turns out that this is just an illusion, but in fact everything is bad. If the president were good, he would have found a way to fill the shortage of potential women in labor lost in the demographic pit ...
              1. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 9 October 2019 19: 28
                +6
                Quote: GAF
                that this is just an illusion, but in fact everything is bad

                You rarely see more than 2 children. For they said correctly, not everyone will pull more than one
                1. Victor N
                  Victor N 10 October 2019 14: 56
                  -1
                  One child is not a family. If something happens to him, you are all alone.
              2. Karabin
                Karabin 9 October 2019 19: 56
                +16
                Quote: GAF
                which was not possible to meet in Soviet times,

                They forgot to write about galoshes. Putin told you twice that the Union, except galoshes, did not produce anything.
                1. GAF
                  GAF 9 October 2019 21: 13
                  -8
                  Quote: Karabin
                  They forgot to write about galoshes.

                  They forgot what they started after the devastation of the 90s, after material and human losses in Russia, comparable in consequences to the USSR during WWII. There are still many unsolved problems, including the cleaning of the power stable, the media, etc. But you have to be blind so as not to see positive results, but there is only a negative in VO - give everything to everyone and at once by pike or something? Cons absolutely do not bother me, but as an indicator it’s good
                  1. Revival
                    Revival 10 October 2019 09: 49
                    +3
                    So if there are a lot of problems and cleaning is needed, then when we already solve them, we will begin.
                    Why does cleaning not happen?
                    So life will end while they are going to
                    1. Victor N
                      Victor N 10 October 2019 14: 59
                      0
                      Are viewers tired of waiting? Have you tried it yourself? Why? There are no other limbs besides the tongue?
                      1. Revival
                        Revival 10 October 2019 15: 48
                        +1
                        You suggest me arrange a cleaning?
                      2. Victor N
                        Victor N 11 October 2019 11: 54
                        0
                        And why are you worse than Hercules? You should have less ambition.
                      3. Revival
                        Revival 11 October 2019 13: 30
                        -1
                        By the emptiness of the comment, you begin to compete with the cat
              3. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 9 October 2019 21: 13
                +11
                Quote: GAF
                family ladders of children with parents for a walk, which was not possible to meet in Soviet times,

                You sound my friend, and do not blush.
            7. New Year day
              New Year day 9 October 2019 21: 02
              +10
              Quote: Wend
              They give maternity capital, land, reduce mortgage interest, housing benefits, school uniform compensation, feed children at school for free, compensation for kindergarten, free travel, discounts for large families, etc.

              but no result
              Quote: Wend
              The officials will correct the grave.

              of these, yes. Is it just that CT has put these officials out of criticism, out of responsibility for their deeds and words? -System. And who created this system? - Putin and all his nominees.
            8. Artavazdych
              Artavazdych 10 October 2019 00: 30
              +7
              Ha-ha-ha!
              Matkapital - yes, received in 2008. The earth was given. Absolutely unnecessary. Barely sold for ... 160 thousand rubles. Lucky only because a man from a remote village came to our city, and he needed land. The rest of the families cannot sell in any way, they only pay taxes.
              Rent benefits of about 500 r per month.
              That's all. Do you hear? Nothing else. Absolutely! They lie to you. This is what I, the father of eight children, say.
              I would have written a lot more, and how we are being bullied, including.
              Yes tired. I don't wanna tidy up all this dirt
            9. AA17
              AA17 10 October 2019 11: 33
              0
              Dear, Wend (Anatoly). For you personally.
              "... MOSCOW, December 18, 2014 - RIA Novosti. Russian President Vladimir Putin noted that responsibility for everything that happens in the country rests with the head of state and he is not going to evade it.
              "The responsibility for everything that happens in the country always rests with the head of state, and further down the rankings," the president said during the annual press conference.
              "I have never shied away from this responsibility, and I am not going to shrink," Putin added.
              "In general, personal responsibility should be raised in the Central Bank and responsible employees of the Russian government for the results of work in each area that is entrusted to them. At the same time, I believe that, in general, the administrative structures of the government and financial authorities cope with the tasks and problems that face the country stands today ", - he noted." https://ria.ru/20141218/1038992763.html
              1. Victor N
                Victor N 10 October 2019 15: 08
                -1
                But will there be at least one head of state in history who has solved ALL problems and is gracious to ALL citizens? Anyone with leadership experience at least realizes the difficulties of government. Those who blame the president for all troubles are completely incompetent and their opinion is negligible.
          2. Machito
            Machito 9 October 2019 20: 43
            +13
            There is no money, but you hold on.
            For macaroni they have enough.
            We did not ask you to give birth.
            Etc. etc. These pearls from members of the Edim Rossii party can be written endlessly. Or they genocide us or we expropriate them. Something like this. laughing
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 9 October 2019 23: 22
              -9
              "We did not ask you to give birth" This phrase was repeatedly heard by my parents (5 children) from members of the CPSU. Nothing in this world is new.
            2. Victor N
              Victor N 10 October 2019 15: 12
              0
              Yes, an article about demography! Here not an expropriation is needed, but a completely different organ!
          3. Vovan
            Vovan 9 October 2019 21: 44
            -19
            the matter is in Putin and in the system that he created.

            There is no need for outright lies - study the materiel.

            Who is the guarantor of the Constitution? Who appoints the prime minister, who has a pocket thought? All control levers in one hand. And if desired, he can do whatever he pleases ... when necessary, and changed the Constitution ..

            There, we study the materiel, who is responsible for what under the constitution.

            Threat Lying is not good.
            1. Revival
              Revival 10 October 2019 09: 56
              +5
              Your empty comment for what?
              You yourself will learn the materiel.
              The President may dissolve the Duma and appoint the Prime Minister
              1. Vovan
                Vovan 10 October 2019 19: 51
                -3
                Quote: Revival
                The President may dissolve the Duma and appoint the Prime Minister

                And what? Learn materiel, and do not vocabulary infantile fantasies.
          4. Victor N
            Victor N 10 October 2019 14: 28
            0
            It's not about Putin and not at the officials: the demographic problem must be solved by the whole world, but each individually! However, the authorities also have much to do: to limit the rights of the childless; to prohibit films where there is one child in the family.
          5. 1970mk
            1970mk 11 October 2019 15: 27
            +2
            Can I have a laugh?
            scored on may decrees
            These decrees were initially impracticable ... because they do not have any financial support. These "decrees" are just PR-populism, what characterizes a "storyteller-leader" .... He kind of said so and should it be so? Did he say "Toch-Tibidoch"? Did you pull the magic hair out of your beard?
        2. Campanella
          Campanella 9 October 2019 15: 47
          +27
          He is a hostage, systems!))) But he is fluffy, white, and cares about people all the time! He just can’t do anything ... Here you are to the employer that you hired, explain why you didn’t do your job and then note the time after which you will be kicked out to the street.
          What a strange excuse?
        3. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 9 October 2019 15: 50
          +31
          Quote: 210ox
          It's not Putin, but the system

          There is no god but oligarchic capitalism, and Putin is his prophet. And of course yes. The man ruling the country for 19 years, out of 28 that the country exists, has nothing to do with the situation in the country, nor with the economic and political systems. He came to the camera and tried to fly with the Siberian Cranes. What claims can be to it?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 9 October 2019 17: 36
            -8
            In Russia, it’s not oligarchic capitalism, but real speculative capitalism, these guys are tens of thousands of times more than oligarchs, and they are the ones who dictate the prices in the market and rule them in all production-selling aspects.
            1. at84432384
              at84432384 9 October 2019 19: 21
              +12
              In Russia, the economic system is more inherent in feudalism. Capitalism is expanded reproduction and credit (we must not confuse industrial loans and consumer and mortgage loans for the population). Prices are rising due to government policies. An increase in the tax burden (VAT, "tax maneuver" is just the tip of the iceberg) leads both to the impoverishment of the population (reduction in demand) and an increase in producer costs (cost inflation). Government policy is dictated by the IMF. In the future, only the production of raw materials will remain in Russia. Typical colonial policy.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 9 October 2019 21: 33
                -7
                "In the future, only the production of raw materials will remain in Russia." Typical colonial policy. In the future, we will move away from oil and gas more and more to the side: agricultural products, metallurgy, nuclear industry, instrument making, heavy machine building, helicopter building, aircraft building, engine building, turbine building - today the tests of the first Russian gas turbine GTD 110 and the program providing for the improvement of thermal power plants have been completed is calculated for 2022-2031 and is estimated at 1,9 trillion rubles, the military-industrial complex, the chemical industry, in the machine-tool industry there is also much to strive for, as well as the IT market, now it has 14 billion dollars, and by 2030 it will exceed 100 billion, not only oil and gas are united and there will not be any preconditions for "In Russia, only the production of raw materials will remain". And all these are the IMF, so they are, that they are not - they do not give loans to Russia and will not give them any more.
                1. at84432384
                  at84432384 11 October 2019 14: 34
                  0
                  There is no better way than Stalin. When he was told about the GDP, expressed, naturally, in dollars, he asked: how much is it in steam locomotives, smelted steel and other real units of measurement? Now, in real units of measurement for machine-building products, we have "reached" the year 1932-1933. And for the provision of medical services to the population (hospitals, paramedic points, etc.) - 1913. On the internet and on TV you can read a lot of all kinds of "patriots" and hear enough, but sometimes it's worth looking around.
            2. WIKI
              WIKI 9 October 2019 19: 39
              -1
              You are mistaken in determining the modern economic system of Russia. We have real state capitalism. Putin chose this particular model of the economy to fight oligachy and strengthen his political power. She gave a positive effect in the early years of his reign. Now the main problem of the economy is the too large role of the state, its excessive centralization and the hypertrophied role of power structures. All this leads to the suppression of competition both in the economy and in politics, and, as a result, to the lack of economic development. But what is the development of the country to him, when this model gives unlimited opportunities for its own power.
              1. Victor N
                Victor N 10 October 2019 15: 20
                -1
                In Russia, the shortage of entrepreneurs is SOME economy to develop. There are many talkers, therefore children have forgotten how to do it.
                1. WIKI
                  WIKI 10 October 2019 19: 26
                  +1
                  There can be many entrepreneurs, but this alone will not solve the problem. There are very few people in the country who have the opportunity to make money. If we have the middle class of 7%, and in the US 52%, this does not mean that people are not able to earn. It’s just that conditions for entrepreneurship have not been created, such as a normal judicial system, a tax regime, the influence of law enforcement agencies, credit policy, etc.
                  1. Victor N
                    Victor N 11 October 2019 12: 14
                    -2
                    The state does not create conditions, because society does not need it. Society is poisoned by the toxins of decaying communist ideology, which is expressed in a negative attitude towards entrepreneurs in both the private sector and the public. What conditions do not create, if there are no abilities, you will not become an entrepreneur. Abilities are intellectual capital, respect for which must be cultivated in society. This should be the most important goal of cultural policy. At the end of the XNUMXth century, leading Russian writers understood this and created outstanding works about entrepreneurs (albeit capitalists). But the modern ones - no, for them that Abramovich, that Sechin, that Chubais are only villains. And they are talented entrepreneurs, though not without sin. (And which of us is holy?).
        4. d.olegov44
          d.olegov44 9 October 2019 17: 54
          +11
          It's not about Putin, but in the system that you switched to (or rather transferred to) at the beginning of 90's

          I agree, besides, we must take into account that Putin took office only in 2018, and these are all the problems that he got from the former president.
          1. CT-55_11-9009
            CT-55_11-9009 9 October 2019 18: 21
            +5
            Quote: d.olegov44
            Moreover, it must be borne in mind that Putin took office only in 2018, and these are all the problems that he got from the former president.

            Well, yes, only here are the problems from Medvedev (in which Putin was the prime minister, no less), and to that - from WOW! Putin (1999 - 2012). Something weak justification for our GDP is obtained.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 9 October 2019 21: 17
            +4
            Quote: d.olegov44
            and these are all the problems that he got from the former president.

            Is it too early to open the third envelope? belay
      3. your1970
        your1970 9 October 2019 16: 11
        -15
        Quote: Svarog
        Not one of their plan was not implemented, but here I have no doubt ... they are realizing and of course there will be no population growth. All these nat.projects, fraud ..

        Quote: Svarog
        For the more Russians, the stronger Russia and vice versa ..
        - in order for the population to grow, you need to have a fierce northern fox ...
        Only then the population begins to multiply and multiply - when there is nothing to eat ....
        but as long as - "new car / apartment / Tylind" - no one will start 2-3-5 children ...
        "yes nafig" ...
        1. your1970
          your1970 10 October 2019 19: 17
          0
          FOR MINUSERS - the next post shows clearly - that where it is bad, they breed there. And where it is good (Switzerland, for example) - then there is practically no reproduction .....
          Exactly until that moment they breed until the question arises - "buy an iPhone or not buy? Buy a Skoda or an Opel (or something like that on Logan-fi!)? And after this question, children no longer have .....
      4. Prisoner
        Prisoner 9 October 2019 16: 47
        +1
        Pr demography? Government success? Then the most successful governments are clearly not in Europe. winked
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 9 October 2019 16: 52
          +8
          Quote: Captive
          Pr demography? Government success? Then the most successful governments are clearly not in Europe.

          In Europe, there is no such task. And I am not at all interested in Europe; God with her will also be lost. But in Russia this is a very serious and urgent problem .. Is it not so? we can’t hold such a territory if the Russian population does not increase .. Or do you care who your granddaughter or great-granddaughter marries?
          For this reason, the government should have such a task.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 9 October 2019 17: 27
            +2
            Quote: Svarog
            In Europe, there is no such task.

            Still worth it. No wonder they are forced to accept so many migrants.

            Quote: Svarog
            And I'm not at all interested in Europe

            Does it interfere with the black and white image of the world?
            In general, in terms of demography, everything is much, much more complicated than propagandists of any kind are trying to portray. And the economy here is not even in 10th place.

            Just compare the birth rate in industrialized countries like the USA and Germany.
            1. WIKI
              WIKI 9 October 2019 20: 03
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              Still worth it. No wonder they are forced to accept so many migrants.

              The situation with migrants in Europe is similar to Moscow. The more prosperous a region or country, the more a natural desire arises to shift all the dirty work to others. Therefore, the most dependent and less demanding ones are chosen.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 9 October 2019 20: 43
                +5
                Quote: WIKI
                The situation with migrants in Europe is similar to Moscow. The more prosperous a region or country, the more a natural desire arises to shift all the dirty work to others.

                2017 year. Coefficient of natural population growth
                Germany -1,8;
                Russia -0,9,
                US 3,4;
                Ireland 6,6
                Ukraine -5,0
                Bulgaria -6,5
                Source: http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/app/app4003.php. Foreign agent 8)))
      5. Vadim237
        Vadim237 9 October 2019 17: 26
        -13
        Putin promised to double the GDP — he kept the promise six times — taking into account inflation, crises, the collapse of the ruble, etc., from 7 trillion in 2000 to 108 trillion in 2018. CX revived - revived, metallurgy revived, nuclear industry revived, infrastructure rebuilt and built he raised a new army across the country - from a deep bottom, ended the war in Chechnya, machine building was clearly not at zero as in the 2000th - production for 8 trillion rubles in 2017 showed. And much more has been done with it - and criticizing is always easy. Let's see what the next president will do after Putin.
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 9 October 2019 17: 40
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          Putin promised to double GDP - promise kept six times

          Not tired? Again, poke your nose at Rosstat, that almost all of this growth is inflationary? Or are you really inadequate? And if GDP in commodity terms drops by 10 times, and prices rise by 1000, will you yell about a record increase of 100 times?
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 9 October 2019 20: 28
            +6
            The issue here is not GDP inflation; in dollar terms, it really has grown. The well-being of the population and the economic power of a country are measured not just in GDP, but in per capita GDP. And here is a big problem. This indicator one in one jumps in the wake of the price of oil.

            Hence the dependence of the budget by 40% on oil and gas revenues, and the big question about the effectiveness of the rest of the economy.
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 9 October 2019 21: 15
              -5
              Quote: WIKI
              The issue here is not GDP inflation; in dollar terms, it really has grown.

              Phew ... And the dollar is not affected by inflation? Not? A ton of oil rose by $ 250, from the level of 2000. On this alone is the growth of dollar GDP by half.
              Real growth, in 2000 prices, 60 or 70%. I do not remember exactly. And over the past 10 years, average growth is less than a percent per year. The rest is inflation.
              Everything is at Rosstat.
              Dixi.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 9 October 2019 21: 33
                -3
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                I do not remember exactly

                This is a diagnosis.

                Quote: Lannan Shi
                And the last 10 years, the average growth is less than a percent per year. The rest is inflation.
                Everything is at Rosstat

                The country is fighting, have you noticed? Blonde, damn it negative
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 9 October 2019 21: 49
            -6
            Do not fill in about your inflation and only oil revenues - I have two enterprises and I have directly from the work of oil producers only 8% of the profits and those 29 enterprises that they serve as subcontractors are not connected with oil; more than 70% is exported. From 8 million in 2007 to 919 million 2019 - is this inflation growth in your opinion?
        2. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 9 October 2019 18: 45
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          Let's see what the next president will do after Putin.

          If anyone comes, then:
          1. POLITICAL SYSTEM
          1.1. The president is elected for 4 years with the right to re-election.
          1.2. State Duma deputies are elected for 4 years without restriction of re-election reruns.
          1.3. (*) The election of the president and deputies is held for 2 years.
          1.4. Any elected person may be recalled after half the term of office as a result of a referendum (plebiscite) with the holding of new elections.
          1.4.1. (*) His place is taken by the candidate who took 2nd place in the last election.
          1.5. Any deputy for the loss of more than 30% of the meetings during the month is deprived of wages.
          1.6. Any deputy for skipping more than 50% of the meetings during the month is automatically revoked.
          1.6.1. (*) His place is taken by the candidate who has taken the 2nd or subsequent place in the last election.
          1.7. Direct elections of members of the Federation Council (Federation Council) (two representatives from each region).
          1.7.1 A candidate for membership in the Federation Council must reside in the region from which he is elected for at least 5 years.

          2.JUDICIAL SYSTEM
          2.1. Return of the election of judges of district and regional courts.
          2.1.1. A candidate for the position of judge should not hold positions in the police, prosecutor's office, investigative committee for the previous 5 years.
          2.2. Introduction of monthly public reporting of judges on the work done via the Internet.
          2.3. Any elected judge may be recalled after half the term of office.
          2.4. Cases considered by judges must be determined by drawing lots.
          2.5. Court presidents are elected by judges by secret ballot.
          2.6. (*) Increase in the number of jury trials.

          In full: https: //www.planet-kob.ru/articles/8306/programma-dvizheniya-za-novyi-socializm-polnaya-versiya
          hi
          1. your1970
            your1970 10 October 2019 19: 27
            0
            Quote: ROSS 42
            2.1. Return of the election of judges of district and regional courts.
            - the volume of dough thrown into these elections for своих Can you imagine the candidates? The bandits will not have to bribe the judges - when it will be possible to elect YOUR ....
            and the most interesting, which candidates will we choose? Even in the USSR, these were people who worked in the law enforcement system or in the court for at least 5 years. Do you want to choose from now, from the court apparatus and that’s all, or from the street? or God forbid from lawyers ?
            A cherry
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Any elected judge may be recalled after half the term of office.
            -a this means that it will be necessary all to review his case - if he is recalled by mistrust. And this means: 1) doubling the workload of the remaining judges, 2) the contentiousness of the decisions that he will make correctly, 3) the need for compensation to all victims,

            ZY, and where do you find those wishing to go to the candidates in such situations?
        3. at84432384
          at84432384 9 October 2019 19: 24
          +11
          With such a successful "policy", it may be that there will be no next president. As well as the country itself. Gorbachev has already shown how it happens. Very fast.
        4. Karabin
          Karabin 9 October 2019 20: 14
          +8
          Quote: Vadim237
          Putin promised to double the GDP - he kept the promise six times - keeping in mind crises, the collapse of the ruble, etc.

          Taking into account .... In short, I went on a pilgrimage to the holy places: Yeltsin center, the resting place of Yegorka Gaidar, the place of work of Chubais. That's who raised my personal GDP per month from 350 rubles in 1991 to 2500000 rubles in 1994! And you about some pathetic "six times." Better yet, dump in Zimbabwe. Against those there, in terms of GDP growth, even Yegorka and Borey have acne.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 9 October 2019 21: 59
            -5
            "Taking into account .... In short, I went on a pilgrimage to the holy places: Yeltsin is the center, the resting place of Yegorka Gaidar, the place of work of Chubais" - As I understand it, they are your idols, everyone thinks and thinks about them, but nothing Chubais will retire, go with him to Zimbabwe to breed "afrakvadratov" on nanotechnology.
        5. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 9 October 2019 21: 34
          +4
          Quote: Vadim237
          from 7 trillions to 2000, to 108 trillions to 2018.

          In the 2000 year, just when Kursk sank, we sat in a tavern for three, sat for a hundred and fifty rubles well.
          Quote: Vadim237
          finished the war in Chechnya

          Amnesty for the militants, again amnesty (I don’t remember how many times it was extended), the ransom of their weapons ... It’s definitely not a victory.
          Quote: Vadim237
          SH revived - revived

          In the summer, where my grandfather lived, you did not see either rye, wheat, or barley, which was still growing in 80.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 10 October 2019 12: 50
            -2
            "Amnesty for the militants, again amnesty" Well, there is a continuous amnesty for Khatab and Basayev and Abu Umar and tens of thousands of militants - everyone was amnestied and shook hands and the children went home.
            "In the summer I was where my grandfather lived, and you can't see any rye, or wheat, or barley, which grew back in the 80s." Do not worry every year from 57000 hectares of new crops are introduced soon and they will reach the edges of your grandfather.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 10 October 2019 13: 06
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              Well, a complete amnesty for Khataba and Basayev and Abu Umar and tens of thousands of militants

              The amnesty was for everyone who was not seen participating in the hostilities against the federal forces. And the weapons were bought. With what delight the first channel squealed. A resident of Chechnya handed over a bunch of mines, got a lot of money! Or has your memory wandered off?
              Quote: Vadim237
              You do not worry every year from 57000 hectares of new crops are introduced soon and will reach your grandfather's brim.

              While the sun rises, the dew eyes eat up.
              1. your1970
                your1970 10 October 2019 19: 32
                +1
                1) the choice was - or to amnesty or annihilate all, all the population
                2) and about the fields you grow up and clean already in the fields that were abandoned 3 years ago
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 10 October 2019 19: 36
                  0
                  Quote: your1970
                  the choice was to amnesty or annihilate everyone, the entire population

                  And the third is not given, in your opinion? 200 years we’re advancing on the Caucasus rake, it’s time to learn how to walk.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 10 October 2019 19: 40
                    0
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Quote: your1970
                    the choice was to amnesty or annihilate everyone, the entire population

                    And the third is not given, in your opinion? 200 years we’re advancing on the Caucasus rake, it’s time to learn how to walk.
                    -the third is not given, alas ... and you know it yourself
                    Such things have already passed, and the never humane USSR under Stalin / Khrushchev also announced the amnesty to Bandera and other forest brothers for nothing

                    However, there is a third option - to disconnect Chechnya ... do you like this option?
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      6. Vanek
        Vanek 10 October 2019 03: 54
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        in the government does not do anything and do not bring anything to the end ..


        Maybe because there are too many of them there?
      7. Victor N
        Victor N 10 October 2019 13: 23
        -2
        Kind! Children are not made in classrooms, but in bunks! The author probably does not know this yet. Do not let yourself fool! Leave the government alone and stroke-hug your beloved women, not dogs and cats! If you don’t have enough money to feed your children, discard the car and gadgets! And no contraceptives!
      8. APES
        APES 11 October 2019 12: 59
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        For the more Russians, the stronger Russia and vice versa ..

        mouse paradise 25 universe - there was such an experiment - the whole essence of what is happening in Russia.
        about the importation of new citizens - the migrants began the revolution in Libya, how did Gadafi end and how, as everyone knows ...
      9. Maverick1812
        Maverick1812 11 October 2019 14: 57
        -1
        That's the answer! And the current, "non-Russian" rulers do not need the Russian state!
      10. Dimmedroll
        Dimmedroll 6 November 2019 14: 10
        0
        Unfortunately, demographic success is very difficult to measure. Since today completely different processes are going on than for example 40 years ago. When it was enough to raise the term for caring for a child and there was simply an explosion of fertility. Now money alone is not enough. Although I do not know why. People want a lot. Well, the rest I agree with you.
    2. yehat
      yehat 9 October 2019 15: 40
      +25
      insidious is not insidious, but social support is made in such a way that really helps
      only large migrants.
    3. Misha Mihalkov
      Misha Mihalkov 10 October 2019 14: 38
      +1
      Kaneshno is to blame for everything Putin, he must fly throughout Russia seven days a week and fertilize all the women in a row and truncate ....
  2. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 9 October 2019 15: 24
    +8
    Now laugh at Europe ... let's .... laughing
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 9 October 2019 15: 34
      +7
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Now laugh at Europe ... let's .... laughing

      In general, I do not care about Europe .. but there’s no problem with demography in Russia.
      1. depressant
        depressant 9 October 2019 18: 51
        +17
        These links are to Angola, Zimbabwe ... to the Asians who have settled here and for some reason are actively breeding ...
        Calculate how much money is needed to at least "warm" the child on the occasion of our climate - just look out the window. This is if you are in Russia, and you read the climate. And if there are three children? What if they all got sick at once? You know, it is customary for us, Russians, to dress warmly in winter. So as not to hurt. And bills for heating houses and apartments are usually paid.
        Africans and Asians have no such concern in their climatic conditions. And Africans, for example, multiply intensely because they have always done this — they killed someone, someone ate a lion, someone — a neighboring tribe. These were the number regulators. And now, if they didn’t feed them, then Europeans started treating them, so infant mortality was on the decline. And in connection with this, the Africans had a certain hope: if they are being treated, it means they will someday feed them - you don’t need to buy fur coats in order to survive. Compared to us, their survival is cheap. And now the diseases recede, the lions were sent to nature reserves, almost no one eats anyone, and the custom to give birth to many remains. And no one breaks the mentality through the knee - there is simply no one, and the way of life is almost the same.
        And in general, what do you know about Africa? There are tribes in which children are driven out of the hut into an independent life when they reach the age of two, and their mothers no longer remember them - feed yourself, you are now a stranger! Children are united in gangs of different ages, some survive, some do not, and mothers are already raising the next generation - a custom that does not require special material costs.
        So what? Are you offering this to us, reproaches? Well, you jokers ...
        Or, say, Asians ...
        The same mentality, 10 children - the custom, the clan way of survival, the Middle Ages. And on the occasion of the Russian winter, children can be sent to warm places, to relatives. This is how my Azerbaijani neighbors do it. Where will we send our winter? It turns out that Asians and Caucasians have a backup option: something will not work out in Russia, you can always take your children to their Central Asia or the Caucasus. There they are their own, no one will drive them away. They have confidence that it will not be worse in any case, they will not die of hunger, they will be shod-dressed. Because they are calm and multiply, the more children, the stronger the clan. In the last ten years I have never seen a preoccupied Tajik - funny! Here, in Russia, the diaspora will not let the abyss, there, in Asia - relatives, heads of family clans.
        Russians have nowhere to go.
        We are completely dependent on sanity, on the prudence of power. But something these qualities are not visible to our government. From here comes increased anxiety in the background. And where do you want to give birth to children? In the future, which for many looks doubtful? History has shown that it is not a fallback for us!
        1. Plantagenet
          Plantagenet 9 October 2019 19: 27
          +2
          Pavel Khlebnikov - Russia has a catastrophically low birth rate. Why do not Russian women give birth to children?

          Khozh-Akhmet Nukhaev - Indeed, many do not give birth to children at all. And even when a woman wants children, she, as a rule, has only one child. I think the main reason is that the woman is not protected. The material side is not even all. She is not socially protected, not protected by society itself. Nobody demands it from her, nobody wants it. Because she will give birth, no one will thank her. Nobody needs this. She gave birth - this is a load for everyone. Who needs this? No one is happy about this, no one needs her child either. That is, it makes no sense to give birth to her. A woman gives birth to many children when she knows that every time she performs a feat, she brings reinforcements to the society in which she is. She becomes the hero of the day. She knows that there will be universal joy, especially when she gives birth to sons. She knows that she will have torment and that she will have to raise these children - she knows that it will also be - but she knows that she is doing a good deed before God. This is her jihad. That is, she has two goals: to give birth and to raise. And the more she raised normal children, the more rewards she will receive in paradise. She is better on this earth, in society. She is constantly inwardly calm, she has inner joy. It pleases her all. And she does not need to think about how much she will be provided economically. She knows one thing that children will not be hungry. She is protected by her whole society.

          P.Khlebnikov "Conversation with a Barbarian"
        2. parusnik
          parusnik 9 October 2019 20: 08
          +6
          These links are to Angola, Zimbabwe ...
          ... That's right .. I support ... "It's warm there, there are apples" ..
        3. Victor N
          Victor N 10 October 2019 15: 40
          -2
          Isn't it a shame to publicly admit depending on the "prudence of the authorities"? Have dignity, be self-sufficient! Many, very many urgently need to get rid of the CLEANING COMPLEX! For the peasants - first of all!
        4. your1970
          your1970 10 October 2019 19: 36
          -1
          Quote: depressant
          Calculate how much money is needed to at least "warm" the child on the occasion of our climate - just look out the window. This is if you are in Russia, and you read the climate. And if there are three children? What if they all got sick at once? You know, it is customary for us, Russians, to dress warmly in winter. So as not to hurt. And bills for heating houses and apartments are usually paid.
          Is it really hot in Sweden / Finland / Canada? Or not really? Or don’t they pay for heating?
          There aren’t many children there, no ... and there won’t be .... because there life is stable and good ...
  3. Diviz
    Diviz 9 October 2019 15: 30
    +3
    America discovered. Well, at least they didn’t make fagots. And then Europe is nearby.
    1. ssergey1978
      ssergey1978 9 October 2019 16: 01
      +6
      We have our own fagots
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 9 October 2019 16: 12
        +4
        Quote: ssergey1978
        We have our own fagots

        Yes, they are not theirs to us laughing European they ..
    2. Brylevsky
      Brylevsky 9 October 2019 16: 08
      +2
      “But not like in Europe: either a protest or a gay parade.” Is this verse familiar to you?
    3. at84432384
      at84432384 9 October 2019 16: 53
      +12
      Our fags come up with laws on the self-employed and on the "sovereign Internet".
      1. d.olegov44
        d.olegov44 9 October 2019 19: 37
        +11
        It is written that there is no :)

  4. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 9 October 2019 15: 34
    +13
    Financing, government programs ... how solid it sounds! And the sense is “0”, as they died out in the 90s, and we continue to die out, “the titular nation”. And all you need is: 1) your home; 2) a salary adequate to work. And that’s all. And the baby boom will come. Russian, but don’t take them there, Lord, what ...
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 9 October 2019 15: 43
      -1
      Will not help. In Europe, both housing and wages are adequate and the social sphere is not like ours. And no baby boom. And we will not have it, even with a scree of gold. Emancipation, another scale of values ​​among young people, in which children are in one of the last places. Clothes and career on this scale are much higher than offspring.
      1. Brylevsky
        Brylevsky 9 October 2019 16: 14
        +11
        "And we will not have it ...". Maybe, for starters, it's worth a try? Settle young families in individual houses and apartments, start paying adequate wages? And then say: “No, it didn’t work out. It has not grown together ... ".
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 9 October 2019 16: 19
          -5
          And young families will start to acquire cars, other tsatsk, travel, have fun. They will make a career. And the children - how it goes. Our neighbors are Finns, as soon as young families do not lick, we owe them how far - the result is zero. Fertility is falling.
          1. Brylevsky
            Brylevsky 9 October 2019 16: 49
            +15
            But we are not Finns. And not Europeans. I tell you as a husband and father: a normal woman without a house and without money in her husband’s pocket will not give birth. And provide her with a "cave" and a "mammoth", there will be a completely different conversation.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 9 October 2019 17: 10
              -5
              I am also a husband and father of three children. And my wife made a career and raised children. But the kids do not want to breed, although they have their own caves and mammoths are large. Not up to it to them. Consume.
              1. Brylevsky
                Brylevsky 9 October 2019 17: 29
                +13
                But this is a question for their parents, how they raised their children. What they sowed, they reaped ... I hasten to assure you: personal living space and well-paid labor have not prevented anyone in their lives, but only helped her. I’m just explaining this to you, but you, on the way, cannot understand me in any way. Children do not want to breed? Rewind your life and see where and what you have done in it so that your children do not want to make you grandchildren happy. Given that they apparently have everything for this. You will excuse me for being too harsh; you simply illustrate the proverb “Well fed, not hungry.”
                1. Victor N
                  Victor N 10 October 2019 16: 07
                  -2
                  If children have dogs or cats - harass! And there will be grandchildren! very much these creatures harm fertility, lubricate parental instincts.
            2. Victor N
              Victor N 10 October 2019 16: 04
              0
              Not the woman who went now ..... Compare a woman with 2 to 3 children and grandchildren and a childless or with one child - a big difference! Public morality must be treated. Hard!
          2. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 9 October 2019 17: 16
            +7
            It seems that you are justifying the existing situation and have already measured the decline in our population. But Brylevsky is right - you need to do at least something, it suddenly works out. It is necessary at least to raise the issue in society, involve scientists and begin a broad discussion of this problem with an analysis of all proposals.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 9 October 2019 17: 29
              -3
              What can be done here? Lobotomy of youth, perhaps. Well, or to accept Islam together, although in wealthy Islamic countries the birth rate is also going down: in the Emirates it is already lower than ours. You can, of course, dream and associate career advancement with the number of children in the family. The tax on childless ones is possible, as in the USSR, only more - asphyxiating. How else to put it into your head that offspring is the highest value and purpose of life?
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 9 October 2019 17: 33
                +3
                How? And connect as many specialists as possible to solve this problem. Why is China, on the contrary, limiting birth rates? Look at foreign experience in this matter. Well, you can’t give up.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 9 October 2019 17: 40
                  -2
                  In China, the birth rate is no longer limited and they have it slightly higher than ours - only by 1.15 per thousand. Their financial situation has grown - reproduction has fallen. And this is in a society where the cult of the family was originally. I will express seditious thought: fertility is inversely proportional to welfare. Adjusted for the national mentality and religiosity of the population.
                  1. Lannan Shi
                    Lannan Shi 9 October 2019 18: 01
                    +4
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    I will express seditious thought: fertility is inversely proportional to welfare.

                    Everything is simple, as perpendicular. There was no cult of children either in China or in the Republic of Ingushetia. MegaFamilies is a village. Where the child is already 6-7 years old pays for itself. And with 8-9 makes a profit. Peasant family of the Republic of Ingushetia, in 1913 5-6 children. Working 2, less often 3.
                    Now the child is a net loss. Years up to 20 on average. Profit in principle is not provided. And the only incentive is actually happiness from the very fact of availability. But when, for the sake of this happiness, they drop from an average level of prosperity into the poor ... Virtually no one needs it.
                    Oh yes. Open Russian Forbes, count the children. I casually wondered diagonally. About 1,5 times more children than the national average. But finance has nothing to do with it. It’s just that our billionaires are rural Nigerians. After plastics. That multiplies, according to tradition.
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 9 October 2019 18: 21
                      -6
                      Look at the statistics on dysfunctional families. There, too, the birth rate is above the national average. Let's not judge by extremes.
                      1. Lannan Shi
                        Lannan Shi 9 October 2019 19: 08
                        0
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        Look at the statistics on dysfunctional families. There, too, the birth rate is above the national average.

                        Marginal FSU for children. Gorged, fucked, sniffed again. Therefore, they multiply. You want to say that Russian Forbes consists entirely of degraded alcoholics and drug addicts? Serious statement...
                    2. Ross xnumx
                      Ross xnumx 9 October 2019 18: 55
                      +6
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      Everything is simple, as perpendicular. There was no cult of children either in China or in the Republic of Ingushetia.

                      good
                      I will add a little to the spite of a citizen who made a statement about the revival of Putin's "SH" ... SH was revived with the help of the export of palm oil, and the village, as it was killed during the EBN, remains on the churchyard.
                      Even in the 70s and 80s in the village, most families were large and the city had 2-3 children (RSFSR).
                      Therefore, the population is not growing. And yet there is no work, there are not even any decent living conditions (education, healthcare, supplies, services) ...
                      1. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 9 October 2019 19: 13
                        -4
                        The village was killed under Khrushchev. Young people rushed to the cities and the further - the more. Out of my class in the countryside there are only 5 people left. (1980 edition) And I was from the largest family - 5 children. Mostly 1-2, maximum 3 children.
                      2. Lexus
                        Lexus 9 October 2019 22: 40
                        +7
                        I'll add more. Not far from Moscow and St. Petersburg, literally 100 km away, people live in terrifying collapsing huts, without work, money or any prospects. What children are there! Hospitals are abandoned and schools are optimized (acquaintances on an old ragged igra carry children to school for 15-20 km).
                        And indeed, all these national projects are striking in terms of the volume (otmya) of the pointlessly spent dough. They would take it and just instead of the huts, they would build new cottages for people - just for the house, even if with an interest-free loan. And the money would be returned and the demography improved ..
                        And so of course, sur - multi-billion dollar denouements among the crumbling halups. 1 km of the road - a billion is not a pity, but to make normal housing for one hundred million (in a large village) - h .. n.
                      3. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 10 October 2019 12: 54
                        0
                        You can’t build a cottage for lamas. A kilometer of the road in Russia costs from 40 million to 2 billion. The more north and the hilly the more expensive.
                      4. Lexus
                        Lexus 10 October 2019 19: 06
                        +1
                        That is an average of a billion? Cottage for the oligarch, of course not. But a normal house using serial industrial methods - you can meet it.
                      5. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 12 October 2019 18: 17
                        0
                        A good home will cost 5 million.
                      6. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 12 October 2019 18: 22
                        0
                        And do not forget that the road is not only the roadway canal, but also its price includes: overpasses, overpasses, bridges, water drainage communications, lighting, tunnel control systems, all this greatly increases the cost of the road.
                    3. parusnik
                      parusnik 9 October 2019 19: 57
                      +5
                      There was no cult of children either in China or in the Republic of Ingushetia.
                      ... By the way, reading the Memoirs and Thoughts of G.K.Zhukov, he was actually fused to Moscow at a young age, he was sent to learn as a furrier, an extra mouth ... So like him, he was not alone ...
                  2. Kronos
                    Kronos 10 October 2019 00: 03
                    0
                    And this is right with the development of civilization, the need for large families disappears allowing you to develop
              2. parusnik
                parusnik 9 October 2019 20: 01
                +2
                The tax on childless ones is possible, as in the USSR, only more - asphyxiating.
                ... In, as minimal as unemployment benefits ... smile
              3. New Year day
                New Year day 9 October 2019 21: 34
                +4
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                The tax on childless ones is possible, as in the USSR, only more - asphyxiating.

                well yes! And there they choke and still want to choke.

                Some prices:
                diapers packaging - 900 - 1800 rubles
                baby food - from 480 to 1000 rubles of the bank.
                How much can you buy this and much more for the child for the allowance?
                Starting February 1, 2019, the minimum amount for the first child care allowance is 3 277 rubles 45 kopecksfor the second and subsequent children - 6 554 rubles 89 kopecks
                The allowance for a child from 1,5 to 3 years old is now 50 rubles.
              4. Kronos
                Kronos 10 October 2019 00: 04
                -5
                Anyone can do children, but achieve something and realize no
                1. Varyag71
                  Varyag71 10 October 2019 11: 32
                  0
                  A lot of couples cannot conceive children.
                  1. Victor N
                    Victor N 10 October 2019 16: 16
                    -2
                    They themselves can not - let others help.
              5. Edmond dantes
                Edmond dantes 10 October 2019 10: 25
                +4
                You zaputintsev just to come up with a new tax negative
                1. The popuas
                  The popuas 12 October 2019 13: 09
                  +1
                  That's their philosophy, look at the laws adopted by the State Duma ... or a fine or exaction! Laws that people need for 5 years are mumbled, or even more, but as a fine or selection per day, 100% approve
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 October 2019 17: 46
      -8
      In the 90s, 150000 people per month died out and 2 to 3 million people made abortions every year. In 2018, 1 604 344 were born, 1 828 910 died and 520000 XNUMX XNUMX abortions. If prohibition of abortions is prohibited, except in some cases, the demographic situation will improve.
      1. Brylevsky
        Brylevsky 9 October 2019 18: 11
        +5
        Well, why are women doing abortions? The main reason - they are afraid that they will not feed, they will not pull another child. It turns out that the main reason is economic ... I’m not talking about cases where green jerks are sitting on the neck of dad and mom. It is extremely regrettable when an abortion is performed in an already formed family; the woman after this man ceases to respect, the family often breaks up. If my will were, I would have forbidden abortion (except for medical reasons). Unfortunately, in modern Russia this is not possible.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 9 October 2019 22: 04
          -3
          You can also enter 1,5 million rubles for the third and subsequent children - but there will not be enough money if suddenly a million families run to give birth to this 1,5 trillion minimum will be needed every year.
        2. Nick
          Nick 13 October 2019 00: 23
          0
          Quote: Brylevsky
          Well, why are women doing abortions? The main reason - they are afraid that they will not feed, they will not pull another child. It turns out that the main reason is economic.

          God gave the child, help and feed. The main reason is moral. In pre-revolutionary Russia, people lived more modestly, and families were large. The reason was in religious consciousness. Infanticide, even in the womb of the mother, is a mortal sin. There was certainly an economic reason. There were no old-age pensions, and feeble old people were fed by their children and grandchildren. Without raising at least three four children, it was difficult to count on well-fed old age. If now, when calculating the old-age pension, the number of children born / raised was taken into account, then the birth rate would increase significantly. And now, yes, I did not have children, immediately an order of magnitude less worries, all expenses for myself, my beloved, and pension in old age will be charged like everyone else.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 9 October 2019 21: 35
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        If abortion is prohibited, except in some cases, the demographic situation will improve.

        due to increased mortality of women after criminal abortion?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 10 October 2019 12: 56
          0
          And to put these guys for life - they don’t need a child. Give him to the orphanage or don’t create him at all.
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  6. Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 9 October 2019 15: 37
    +18
    Actually, we will get a natural population growth at best by 2024.

    We won't get it. The drop in the birth rate this year, by 2018 - more than 16%. No "holes" and other demographics can justify this. Pure economy. But while the penny reform has not hit young families ... When it comes out that either wait for the help of grandparents for 5 years longer, or donate work and income for several years ... Just by 2023-2024, there will be a real failure ... Against the background of which the 90s will look like a population explosion. By the way. This year, the birth rate will be about the same as in 1994. And next year, if the trend continues, it will drop to 1996-97. An excellent result of 20 years of reign.
    1. Loess
      Loess 9 October 2019 16: 06
      +1
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      When it comes up that either waiting for the help of grandparents for 5 years longer, or for a few years to donate work and income ...

      A simple example. Family. Husband and wife. In 20 years a child was born. Increased. In 20 years this child had his own children. Parents (grandparents) at this time are 40 years old. Until retirement 15 years (grandmother) under the old law. What is the relationship between the help of grandparents and the raised retirement age?
      There is an option to give birth in 30 years to the first child. But in this case, most often they will not give birth to a second child. Including medical indicators.
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 9 October 2019 16: 17
        +8
        Quote: Less
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        When it comes up that either waiting for the help of grandparents for 5 years longer, or for a few years to donate work and income ...

        A simple example. Family. Husband and wife. In 20 years a child was born. Increased. In 20 years this child had his own children. Parents (grandparents) at this time are 40 years old. Until retirement 15 years (grandmother) under the old law. What is the relationship between the help of grandparents and the raised retirement age?
        There is an option to give birth in 30 years to the first child. But in this case, most often they will not give birth to a second child. Including medical indicators.

        Mine is now 42. 16,6,4 children ... From a previous marriage. We’re still waiting for the general. I think age is all relative.
        The difference in relation ... is in the Russian and our approach to this matter. We have less fear for the future .. Although we are surrounded by enemies from all sides.
        1. Loess
          Loess 9 October 2019 16: 24
          +4
          Quote: Shahno
          I think age is all relative.

          Of course. Nevertheless, the most favorable age of childbearing for women's health is, as far as I know, up to 30-35 years. And of those whom I know, whose first child was born after 30, no one has a second. Unfortunately, not yet.
          I just tried to show above that raising the retirement age to increasing fertility (in the person of grandparents) has a very distant relationship.
      2. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 9 October 2019 16: 34
        +5
        Quote: Less
        A simple example. A family. Husband and wife. At the age of 20, a child was born.

        why not at 15? In the courtyard is the 80th century? Come to your senses. 90-21s is the first child in 22-26 years. Now 27-3. And by the year, on average, a grandmother is a pensioner. And by any to 2. And mommy can fly to work. Work calmly. And not until 3-XNUMX sick leave.
        Treat someone else, but I don’t need to. 29 years. 2 daughters. A little over 8 years and 1 year 7 months. In the decree, in aggregate, a little over a year. The hospital is exactly zero. And there are 2 daughters only because, until recently, grandfather was engaged in them. If it were otherwise, I would only now think whether to give birth or wait a while.
        Quote: Less
        There is an option to give birth to the first child at 30. But in this case, most often they will not give birth to a second child.

        And they will not give birth to him anyway. In most cases. The average per capita income, in the vast majority of areas, is in the range of 20-24.000. Simply put, 60-70 for a family of 3 people. Sucks, but you can live. And at 4 this is not even poverty, but chronic starvation, at least protein. And children, physically immature and dull. That's just a consequence of the shortage of amino acids. And who needs it, a second child, at that cost?
        1. Loess
          Loess 9 October 2019 17: 48
          -4
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          2 daughters. A little over 8 years and 1 year 7 months. In the decree, in aggregate, a little over a year. The hospital is exactly zero. And 2 daughters are only because, until recently, their grandfather was engaged in them.

          The difference is six years between the children and the grandfather is a senior citizen. What do you personally, in this case, prevented you from having the 3-4 child during this time? After all, judging by your comments, you have all the conditions for this.

          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Simply put 60-70 for a family of 3 people. Sucks, but you can live. And on 4 this is not even poverty, but chronic starvation, at least protein.

          Frank nonsense. If you don’t get carried away with something like restaurants and other spas, this money is enough not only for good healthy food and normal clothes / shoes, but also for mugs / sections (if free is not enough) and for going to the movies, in a word, for a normal, full life all family.
          Although maybe you are one of those who usually stand in line for a brand new iPhone? Then of course you can’t feed your family on 60-70 thousands of your statements about
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          physically immature and dull children
          become quite understandable.

          PS
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          And anyway to 3. And mommy can fly to work.
          If you are not in the know, now there is a problem of placing a child in a nursery group of a kindergarten, starting from three years of age placing a child in a kindergarten is not a problem. Or didn’t you try?
          1. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 9 October 2019 18: 44
            +8
            Quote: Less
            What do you personally, in this case, prevented you from giving birth to the 3-4th child during this time?

            In the summer, they discussed the cost of food in general, and children in particular. 2 weeks pretending to feed the eldest. Approximately 14-15.000. Would you like to open financing for 30 thousand per month, at least 15 years? And then I still want a daughter, and my husband suffers from his son. But for the time being, it’s a little out of finance. Do you have any extra 5-6 million? Me too.
            Quote: Less
            If you don’t get carried away with something like restaurants and other spas, this money is not only enough for a healthy diet

            Kind. Kg of bread, normal, and not a mixture of feed grain and 101st additives - from 120 re. I personally take 500 milk per can. The only cow within a 5 km radius. Cheese, not palm with gouache from 1000. Chicken / duck, home-made, not a carcass of 2,5 kg weight and 30 days old, in which there are more hormones than protein, from 500. In general, what do you think is good nutrition , I don’t risk giving the dog often.
            Quote: Less
            If you are not in the know, now there is a problem of placing a child in a nursery group of a kindergarten, starting from three years of age placing a child in a kindergarten is not a problem. Or didn’t you try?

            The kindergarten closest to me is about 15 km. The rest is optimized. I drive to school for 25. Fortunately, on the way to a new job. By the way. Kindergarten = illness = dismissal. If you really work. All the way. And do not drive solitaire. And 2-3 children, this is a permanent sick leave.
            Or there are many children, a mother sits with them, and the family has one, or a grandmother replaces a mother, or the country dies out. There is no other way.
            1. Loess
              Loess 9 October 2019 21: 27
              -1
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              In the summer, they discussed the cost of food in general, and children in particular. 2 weeks pretended to feed the eldest.

              I have never calculated how much it costs me to support my children. If a child needs something, then he will have it.
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              Would you like to open financing of thousands on 30 per month, years at least on 15? And then I still want a daughter, and my husband suffers from his son. But for the time being, it’s a little out of finance. Do you have extra 5-6 million? Me too.

              Yes, not enough 5 millions. And 25 is not enough either. There is a category of people whom no matter how much you give, everything is small.
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              Kg of bread, normal, and not a mixture of feed grain and 101 additives - from 120 re. I personally take 500 milk per can. The only cow in 5 km radius. Cheese, not palm with gouache from 1000. Chicken / duck, domestic, not carcass in 2,5 kg of weight and age in 30 days, in which there are more hormones than protein, from 500.

              I apologize, how do you define feed grain in bread? And 120r. it's about 3 loaf of bread for 40r. For a family for a week is enough. Cheese. Take a kilogram right away? For example, I do not buy it in kilograms. A smaller volume is quite normal. Again, I'm not a foodie, I can’t determine the palm in cheese for the price.
              Do you get expensive milk? Well, do not equal the whole country on your own. In a nearby branch, people write that a farmer brings home a hundred rubles per can. Chicken / duck domestic ... Kindergarten in 15 km, school in 25 ... As I understand it, do you live on earth? Not in the city? What prevents your bird from getting? Especially if there is anyone to look after the economy?
              1. Saul_Rhen
                Saul_Rhen 10 October 2019 01: 34
                +3
                Yes, not enough 5 millions. And 25 is not enough either. There is a category of people whom no matter how much you give, everything is small.

                Here is fiercely plus. There was one friend. Met, broke up. She went to the one who had a better car and a bigger apartment, signed, gave birth to his son. (talking for some time), they lived for a year - abandoned him and went to a businessman, then to another abruptly. Now she sits alone with her mother’s son, doesn’t work and weeps to everyone that the government is bad, the world is unfair, men - alimony is small and not enough for life.
              2. Cat man null
                Cat man null 12 October 2019 10: 07
                -1
                Quote: Less
                I'm not a gourmet, I can’t determine the palm in cheese for the price.
                Do you get expensive milk? Well, do not equal the whole country on your own. In a nearby branch, people write that a farmer brings home a hundred rubles per can. Chicken / duck homemade ...

                Do not argue with the "girl", she has a hard charge on the negative ...

                He wants - let him die out, freedom, damn it, thoughts, and actions. Those who want to live live.

                And it always has been. request
            2. Cat man null
              Cat man null 12 October 2019 03: 07
              0
              I read it with interest, I don’t see the point of commenting.

              You are an endangered species. "lannan shi". And it is right.
    2. at84432384
      at84432384 9 October 2019 19: 28
      -1
      The drop in fertility correlates well with the increase in VAT. Raised the tax by 11% (2 percentage points), received a decrease in fertility by 16 ...
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 10 October 2019 16: 36
        +1
        long since such frank provocations did not come across!
  7. depressant
    depressant 9 October 2019 15: 38
    +26
    As Legolas sings, we have a "cold civil war" in our country. For the Light-faced C-tribe-lifter, the population is the enemy in this war. He is a technical president, tailored for a specific task, and it is not natural population growth. And trillions of rubles for reproduction ... It's like trillions of sperm released into condoms. Efforts are there, there is no reproduction. Let him first remove the condom from industrial production, thereby multiplying jobs with good wages. Then the population will multiply even without trillions of ruble investments.
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 9 October 2019 15: 51
      +9
      Will not help! They are impotent and give birth to nothing but PR!
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 9 October 2019 17: 52
      +3
      Quote: depressant
      As Legolas sings, in our country there is a "cold civil war

      I would also quote Grebenshchikov- "This train is in the darkness ....."
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 9 October 2019 21: 55
        +2
        Quote: Pilat2009
        This train is in the dark.

        "On fire .."))))
  8. Shahno
    Shahno 9 October 2019 15: 39
    +4
    For me it’s not a mystery why yours do not give birth ..
    For me, it’s a mystery why ours give birth so much?
    Answer this question.
    Then it may be clear what is really changing in this area.
    And interestingly, they breed with us, regardless of nationality and family welfare. What personally remains for me to assume that this lifestyle is simply included in the mentality and has become part of the national idea.
    1. comradChe
      comradChe 9 October 2019 17: 33
      +7
      You yourself answered your own question. The point is OPTIMISM, in the belief that your children will live in a JUST society in their country, confidently moving towards a better future.
  9. Campanella
    Campanella 9 October 2019 15: 42
    +10
    The keyword will not be. By 2024, maybe Russia will not be. It will dry out under the influence of reforms.
    Now the number of children in a family depends on the standard of living, on the realization of personal career growth and, ultimately, on health.
    The patriarchal family is a thing of the past.
    The fall in population incomes undoubtedly plays a role and the activities of the authorities do not inspire any historical optimism, because a person is simply not visible in the interior of macro and microeconomics, he is some kind of statistical unit in the picture of the world through the eyes of liberal reformers.
    Behind all PR speeches, plots, decrees and projects there is no life, but there is a desire to mask the true plans of the Putin elite with an imaginary concern for people and the country. Therefore, the end will be sad and standard for our country.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 9 October 2019 15: 49
      -8
      The number of children does not depend on financial situation. Depends on the mentality and only on the mentality. As you rightly noted: the patriarchal family is in the past.
  10. NEOZ
    NEOZ 9 October 2019 15: 42
    -14
    Colleagues, set aside the excitement!
    This demographic failure was created by the Second World War and a sharp drop in the birth rate in the 90s.
    being studied
    subject: "demography", 2nd year, State University of Management, specialty: State and municipal management.
    We disagree ....
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 9 October 2019 15: 50
      +11
      Simple as that! And we thought ...
      That you need to target birth or not to target?
    2. Cruorvult
      Cruorvult 9 October 2019 16: 21
      -16
      Well, sho you stop local whining, they are not allowed to multiply by Putin and the system, they have no faith in the future, they eat up the last horseradish without salt.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 9 October 2019 17: 26
        +17
        And who is whining here? Everything is growing here - prices are rising. Utility bills are growing. Taxes are rising. The dollar is growing. Retirement age is growing. The amount of stolen money is growing. The wealth of the oligarchs is growing. Putin's term of office is growing. Where do you see the recession, whiners ?!
        1. Brylevsky
          Brylevsky 9 October 2019 17: 54
          +7
          Fan-Fan, well done. Everything you say is all about the case. We have no "recession", of course (!). We have only "stability". Here is this: “Friend, do not believe blind hope. I tell you: do not believe. We mourned grief before, grief mourn now. ”
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      2. NEOZ
        NEOZ 10 October 2019 13: 42
        -6
        Quote: CruorVult
        Well, sho you stop local whining, Putin and the system do not allow them to multiply,

        HA HA HA ..... we have raked a hornet's nest !!!!!
        ps
        one gets the impression of the planned article and comments, as well as the planned negative comments that question the article and comments in support of the opposition to Putin in particular and the country's course in general!
    3. NEOZ
      NEOZ 10 October 2019 11: 13
      -4
      Well, who instructed the cons?
      and most importantly, am I wrong?
      it’s the same as putting minuses to a person who claims that spring will come in winter !!!!!!!!
  11. parusnik
    parusnik 9 October 2019 15: 59
    +18
    Population increases when there is confidence in the future, if it does not exist .. There is no population growth ...
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 9 October 2019 16: 31
      -9
      The greatest confidence in tomorrow is among the inhabitants of Angola. They are ahead of the rest in terms of fertility. And in the Principality of Monaco, the people are so impoverished that the birth rate is almost twice lower than ours.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 9 October 2019 19: 22
        +13
        A neighbor's daughter got married three years ago. There are no children yet. They live in another city during this time, her daughter changed 4 jobs, she was laid off twice, twice under the liquidation of the enterprise ... Parents from both sides are plowing that would support a young family .. her husband, the same next year, should get under optimization .. Collectively they go to church, put candles, so that "joy" bypasses ... It's time to have children, take a mortgage .. And probably bad workers ... if they do this to them .. However, what am I talking about, this is an isolated case ... 99% of the population is not so .. everything is fine .... And about Africa ".. it's warm there, there are apples "hf" Property of the Republic "... laughing
    2. Cruorvult
      Cruorvult 9 October 2019 16: 39
      -4


      Well, that turns out to be the top countries in which there is confidence in the future. Probably we should shout: "We want it like in Africa"
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 9 October 2019 16: 43
        +6
        Read my answer to the previous speaker about Africa ...
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 9 October 2019 22: 02
        +3
        Quote: CruorVult
        Probably we should shout: "We want it like in Africa."

        I want a climate like in Africa. And then he built a fence today, and the snow, and the rain, and his hands freeze, and his feet get wet ... And the clothes are expensive, why ... And we pay more for heating than in Moscow. Not to mention Angola. laughing
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 10 October 2019 13: 47
          -2
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          I want a climate like in Africa.

          but it didn’t occur to you that everything that you have is caused by a moderate climate !!!!
          ps
          moving to Africa is not very expensive!
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 10 October 2019 14: 01
            +2
            Quote: NEOZ
            it never occurred to you that everything that you have is determined by a moderate climate !!!!

            What am I talking about? If we had a climate like in Gabon, we wouldn’t need either a felt boots or a fur coat ...
            Quote: NEOZ
            moving to Africa is not very expensive!

            Will it make it easier for you to breathe? Let the blacks live in their Africa, but I am not going to leave the land where the graves of my ancestors are.
    3. nikvic46
      nikvic46 9 October 2019 19: 21
      +5
      Aleksey. Here you hit the mark. It doesn’t matter whether a rich family or not. But if family members are not sure whether they will work tomorrow, then there’s no need to talk about replenishing the family.
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 10 October 2019 16: 56
        0
        Since the 90th constantly on several jobs. Sometimes it’s hard, but no one promised an easy life. And to study constantly to be in demand is also not easy. But it’s great that I do not expect or ask anything from anyone. No habit, and genetics. Ancestors dear to themselves built houses and provided themselves with everything. It is not customary in our family for kings and presidents to ask for mercy, but only to serve.
  12. Galleon
    Galleon 9 October 2019 16: 12
    +6
    Passport of the national project "Demography, page 7
    1.11. By the end of 2020, 520 thousand families with two or more children received a state certificate for maternal (family) capital
    term - 15.12.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX
    S.V. Petrova, Deputy Minister of Labor and Social Protection of the Russian Federation
    1.12. By the end of 2020, at least 800 thousand families had disposed of funds from maternal (family) capital
    15.12.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX, S.V. Petrova, Deputy Minister of Labor and Social Protection of the Russian Federation
    1.13. In 2020, 45 thousand mortgage loans (loans) were provided by credit institutions and DOM.RF JSC to families with two or more children at a rate of 6 percent per annum
    15.12.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX A.V. Moiseev, Deputy Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation
    1.14. 68,9 thousand families with three or more children received, by the end of 2020, a monthly cash payment assigned in the case of the birth of a third child or subsequent children until the child reaches the age of 3 15.12.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX S.V. Petrova, Deputy Minister of Labor and Social protection of the Russian Federation
    1.15. At least 72 thousand in vitro fertilization cycles have been performed for families suffering from infertility at the expense of the basic program of compulsory medical insurance
    15.12.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX T.V. Yakovleva, First Deputy Minister of Health of the Russian Federation
    1.16. In 2020, additional measures aimed at supporting fertility in the Far East were implemented in the constituent entities of the Russian Federation that are part of the Far Eastern Federal District, including, inter alia, increasing the lump-sum payment at birth of the first child, allocating funds to families at the birth of the second child, making payments at the birth of a third child or subsequent children, regardless of the current value of the total fertility rate in these regions
    15.12.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX S.V. Petrova, Deputy Minister of Labor and Social Protection of the Russian Federation

    The plan was written in a strange way - in expressions, as if all this had already been completed in the future. Events - mass. Financing events - money is being spent. For what? for example on it
    1
    .8 In 2019, at least 2,5 million television and
    radio programs, television documentaries, Internet sites,
    aimed at preserving family values, supporting motherhood and childhood

    Why, then, my wife, a mother with many children, cannot take this maternity capital to decorate the purchased apartment? Why is this not considered an improvement in housing conditions? Well, you can imagine how much it takes to finish the two in Moscow.
    Plans, seminars, presentations, telepages, conferences, meetings, development of computer programs or visual agitation - constitute the national project "Demography" with its rich funding. It sometimes seems to me that the life of the government on national projects is arranged so that money remains among officials and is written off according to templates from the format of American aid. How "partners" helped Russia in the 90s: The State Department announces a program of assistance on the topic "..." and finances the arrival of officials, managers, lecturers who rub the brains of a certain stratum of our population. My friend chauffeured for such a lecturer in those years, and I know from him.
  13. Shahno
    Shahno 9 October 2019 16: 38
    +2
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    The greatest confidence in tomorrow is among the inhabitants of Angola. They are ahead of the rest in terms of fertility. And in the Principality of Monaco, the people are so impoverished that the birth rate is almost twice lower than ours.

    A, laughing All the same, according to the level of well-being, I ranked Russians among Europeans. And so it is clear that the Angolans and Zimbabweans are happy in their own way. The Russians then see other priorities. No?
    But for the Principality of Monaco, I would be worried. Not everything in life is money.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 9 October 2019 16: 46
      0
      Well, the birth rate in our country is Central European.
  14. Prisoner
    Prisoner 9 October 2019 17: 03
    0
    What kind of articles from the fingers do not suck the workers of a cloak, pen and toilet paper what Before you carry the blizzard, maybe it was worth scrolling through the statistics of the world? At least superficially, at least Wikipedia at worst. sad
  15. NF68
    NF68 9 October 2019 17: 05
    -8
    Will Vasya Pupkin come to Putin's place and the population of Russia will immediately begin to increase? And local officials are out of business here? Is Putin to blame for everything?
    1. Revival
      Revival 10 October 2019 10: 50
      +2
      The question is why the system allows an official to be irresponsible and unpunished in violation. I think it is more clear
      1. NF68
        NF68 10 October 2019 15: 59
        -1
        Quote: Revival
        The question is why the system allows an official to be irresponsible and unpunished in violation. I think it is more clear


        Put an observer near each official who will monitor everything and everyone? They steal everywhere. Methods may vary. It’s easier to steal somewhere, somewhere more difficult. In China, thoroughly stolen are executed and still there are those who steal.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 10 October 2019 11: 10
      -2
      Well, the cat left the kittens. It’s our tradition to blame power on everything. Putin? To blame! Yeltsin? To blame! Gorbachev, Brezhnev, Khrushchev? Too bastards. Anyone who comes after GDP will stopudovo too.
    3. NEOZ
      NEOZ 10 October 2019 13: 49
      -1
      Quote: NF68
      Will Vasya Pupkin come to Putin's place and the population of Russia will immediately begin to increase?

      Well, why are you right in the eye then? .... it would be possible to break down ....))))))))))))))))))))
  16. Vadim237
    Vadim237 9 October 2019 17: 09
    -6
    On the level of debt - not everything is as bad as they say
  17. Berkut24
    Berkut24 9 October 2019 18: 14
    +11
    What garbage. Rosstat has so many different methods of increasing birth rates and increasing life expectancy and economic growth that we are afraid of nothing.
    And if Rosstat starts to make mistakes in the wrong direction, then the leader can be changed. Or techniques.
  18. Shahno
    Shahno 9 October 2019 18: 22
    +5
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    In China, the birth rate is no longer limited and they have it slightly higher than ours - only by 1.15 per thousand. Their financial situation has grown - reproduction has fallen. And this is in a society where the cult of the family was originally. I will express seditious thought: fertility is inversely proportional to welfare. Adjusted for the national mentality and religiosity of the population.

    It’s not entirely criminal, just to see these fertility dependencies on other factors work in one group of countries, but do not work in others. In the entire set of countries there is no such ....
  19. Kontrik
    Kontrik 9 October 2019 18: 26
    +2
    The peak of population growth in the USSR was observed in the 60s, rapid construction and stability, as well as pride in the country and the future, and the foundation was laid long before that ..
    PS By the way, afterwards, it was the 60s that their generation was at the heart of the collapse of the USSR .. .. "Having painted my life I wanted to live," so we got it .. hi
    But Putin nevertheless laid the foundation for the revival of Russia, in 10 years we’ll see (if we get enough))) I’m running around a lot, I see hehe
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 9 October 2019 20: 38
      0
      Yes, the foundation is solid to ruin everything as much as possible, raise taxes on ordinary people and meager on the rich, increase the retirement age and so on
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 11 October 2019 00: 03
        -1
        And what did he ruin - can it be in the details?
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 9 October 2019 22: 09
      0
      Quote: Kontrik
      The peak population growth of the USSR was observed in the 60 years

      In 40, rather.
      Quote: Kontrik
      Runs a lot of small watch hehe

      Remember your childhood. Where as more small was.
    3. NEOZ
      NEOZ 10 October 2019 13: 51
      -1
      Quote: Kontrik
      But Putin nevertheless laid the foundation for the revival of Russia, in 10 years we’ll see (if we get enough))) I’m running around a lot, I see hehe

      Mishgan, I do not always agree with you ... but here I completely agree!
  20. Tank hard
    Tank hard 9 October 2019 20: 16
    0
    And when you read all this, it becomes clear: our sovereign people are only interested in statistics, only statements that can be put on the GDP table and calmly continue to transfer papers in your office. Let the official sit still in his chair, and there, as they say, either the donkey will die, or the paddies will lose their spirits.

    I completely agree with the author. Sadly all this ... negative
  21. Tiger
    Tiger 9 October 2019 20: 25
    -11
    Whiners, lazy people and cowards here are drooling and trying to blame GDP for everything! However, as in any other European country or in the United States, poor Trump is pecked. Only facts are a stubborn thing, it is useless to argue! The victory of GDP in% of votes, like the victory of Trump in the United States, clearly shows that the MAJORITY chooses! Instead of tears here in the address of GDP, it would be better for such "all-knowing" local officials to pull and poke, and if necessary, and teach how to work! I agree, GDP is not God and one cannot change everything for the better ... From him, in fact, none of the normal people expects this! He is in his place and has already done more than one could expect !!! The success of the team consists of the success, of the result of each member of this team ... I think that after building this system and state administration in the country, the time has come for a serious adjustment of the bureaucratic apparatus! It's time to start looking at the work of each of them also under the microscope, as the work of the GDP! Because, as EACH OF THEM GARANT AT ITS PLACE
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 9 October 2019 20: 39
      +6
      Or is it an exemplary trolling or exemplary sucker
      1. Revival
        Revival 10 October 2019 10: 52
        +4
        I think the second
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 9 October 2019 20: 42
      +4
      Quote: Tiger
      Whiners, lazy people and cowards are drooling and trying to blame the GDP for everything!

      Quote: Tiger
      in any other European country or in the United States, poor fellow Trump is pecking.

      You would have decided, gracious sovereign, who should kiss the tails ... laughing
    3. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 9 October 2019 21: 00
      +4
      The president must come to office with a team of like-minded people and they must work. A new minister has come. replaced all the deputies who are not able to work. and they must pick up a workable team. And we have a guarantor of 19 years in power. that effective managers are irremovable. I remember the whole country demanded to drive Fursenko out. But no, he blinded the USE. And where is he now? Science Advisor to the President Crying Science Bad Chairman - Krants to the collective farm
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 9 October 2019 22: 14
        +1
        Effective work requires a rigorous audit - annual for all 85 entities: what they built, where, how much they spent on it, from whom they bought equipment, if they didn’t do it, why, and therefore quality, with all the signatures and seals.
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 10 October 2019 17: 06
          -1
          And when to work? In France, in the old days, they tried to create absolute control over the collection of taxes, but they almost fell short. Because the costs of control exceeded the amount of taxes.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 11 October 2019 00: 01
            -2
            Now everything is easier - the digital economy will help.
    4. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 9 October 2019 22: 14
      +3
      Quote: Tiger
      the time has come to seriously set up the bureaucracy!

      Officials will set up their device even without you.
    5. Edmond dantes
      Edmond dantes 10 October 2019 10: 41
      +1
      Yes, my friend you medveput 80 ur. lol
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 10 October 2019 13: 01
        0
        Put all your knowledge to mediate the Russian economy.
    6. Kontrik
      Kontrik 10 October 2019 15: 43
      -2
      I agree Alex-Tiger .. Whining and criticizing a big mind is not necessary ..
  22. kriwo.alek
    kriwo.alek 9 October 2019 21: 11
    +5
    The bureaucrats believe, and the women give birth. Give birth in spite of everything and of course it is impossible to compare with the 90s. Another thing is if the money allocated for demography would all reach the addressee, and not be plundered by the same bureaucrats, then the birth rate and upbringing would really be at their best. It’s no secret that the child needs money. If the state allocated sufficient funds (not once, but monthly) for the maintenance and upbringing of a child born, then demographics would be decided according to Putin’s decree. Indeed, many families with a small income, and even with an average one, cannot afford the luxury of having more children than they can feed and raise.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 10 October 2019 17: 14
      0
      But almost all families allow themselves to change cars, gadgets, keep and feed dogs and cats, and order furniture and clothes from designers. Know: the iPhone does not bring profit, only losses! Maintaining a car is more expensive than ordering a taxi. And children are a luxury that not everyone deserves.
  23. Ajevgenij
    Ajevgenij 9 October 2019 21: 22
    +2
    Just about the demography that personally touched me. One long-familiar lady suddenly became very passionate about having a baby. And she turned to me. It seems like I will be the perfect father. I was very happy about this. But I need to do IVF. We started to think how to do everything. And then we got to the discussion of later life regarding the impairment of the family and the child. good things. I am a simple design engineer. My salary is average, sometimes I do part-time jobs. It turned out like in a joke - no one, no matter where. The lady thought that I earn too little and quietly and irrespectively disappeared. That's it...
    1. nikvic46
      nikvic46 10 October 2019 18: 43
      0
      If so all calculations were carried out, then there would be no birth rate.
    2. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 10 October 2019 22: 00
      0
      But you need to do IVF
      . And the old, old-fashioned method did not give a result?
      Quote: Ajevgenij
      And then we got to the discussion of later life regarding the impairment of the family and the child. good things.
      I didn’t understand a bit. You wanted to create with your family? Or acted as ... I don’t even know how to tell someone more correctly ....?
      In the first case, it’s clear that the security is in the second case, sorry.
  24. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 9 October 2019 21: 30
    +1
    The President is ... The President is ... I have read many ... And the question was born, what were you like in 90:
    1. Stupid
    2. Shameless
    3. Indifferent
    4. Greedy
    5. Hungry to naked
    6. There were not enough jeans
    7. Again stupid
    8. Just in the head sawdust
    9. Completely stupid
    You stole our childhood from us, we will steal your old age ...
    PENSIONERS wassat
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 9 October 2019 23: 18
      +4
      Quote: Tank jacket
      The President is ... The President is ... I have read many ... And the question was born, what were you like in 90:
      1. Stupid
      2. Shameless
      3. Indifferent
      4. Greedy
      5. Hungry to naked
      6. There were not enough jeans
      7. Again stupid
      8. Just in the head sawdust
      9. Completely stupid

      Naive, rather. There was nothing to compare with. And what nightingales poured media! An Indian Joe from Alaska is sitting, complaining that he has three televisions, but there is nothing to watch ... An unemployed rides in her own jeep, and does not complain ... But what a delicious beer! But tobacco does not go out, unlike Morshanskaya Prima. crying And don Husan from Mexico earned a bed and a VCR in the USA over a season ... And you can watch pornography freely ...
  25. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 9 October 2019 22: 15
    +7
    Under Putin, there will be no natural population growth. So officials believe-ZATO ENOUGH:
    1. Jeans
    2. Coca Cola
    3. Auto
    4. Naked P
    5. Foreign countries
    6. Chewing gum
    7.Adidas
    8. Panasonic, Sony ...
    9. Everything that you (and not only OFFICIALS) lacked in the 70s and 80s wassat
  26. Lexus
    Lexus 9 October 2019 23: 14
    +4
    In the 90s, the population decline was compensated for by the flight of the Russian-speaking population from the former republics. In the 2000s, half of the visiting natives were made "Russians" from the same place. Since 2014 - Crimea and refugees from Donbass.
    I have no doubt that by 2024 they will come up with something else, for example, they will accept "tanned" ones, which the Poles and Balts have abandoned, or "friend C will help."
    To improve the quality of life of the indigenous population in order to increase the birth rate - no, they have not heard ... / Sad sarcasm /
  27. VyacheSeymour
    VyacheSeymour 9 October 2019 23: 33
    -3
    In the years 41-45, an entire generation was knocked out ....- And every 20 years the democrisis returns. -first- end: 60s, 80s, 00x ... Now another one is rolling .... and nothing can be done with it .... Unless with a look at the prospect, it is to blur the situation with young reproductive (not professors wearing glasses of their specialists) need to appreciate)
    migrants.
  28. Tiger
    Tiger 10 October 2019 01: 53
    0
    [quote = Tank Hard] [quote = Tiger]
    You would have decided, gracious sovereign, who should kiss the tails ... laughing[/ Quote]
    To kiss is your destiny! Life is multifaceted and interesting)))
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 10 October 2019 07: 50
      +1
      Quote: Tiger
      Life is more multifaceted and more interesting.

      Somewhere not so long ago I already read about "versatility". wink laughing
      Quote: Tiger
      To kiss is your destiny!

      It depends on whom and what, and the main thing for you with folds decide ... lol
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  30. Tiger
    Tiger 10 October 2019 02: 03
    +1
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Tiger
    the time has come to seriously set up the bureaucracy!

    Officials will set up their device even without you.

    They won't set up anything without us! Only if such young freeloaders are built ... If you do not believe that you can change something for the better in life and are afraid to speak on an equal footing with the "powerful of this world", what then is your opinion on the forums worth ...? A couple of silly phrases in history ..? Do you make money like that? Or do you increase your self-esteem? ))
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 10 October 2019 11: 02
      +2
      Quote: Tiger
      Only if such young freeloaders are built.

      And you would walk in a dense forest. Three enterprises under the new government went bankrupt and destroyed where I worked.
      Quote: Tiger
      If you do not believe that you can change something for the better in life and are afraid to speak on equal terms with the "powerful of this world",

      Who is this with?
      Quote: Tiger
      Earn at least like that?

      Count it, no. All pens, pens. I’m going to build a fence, it’s like the rain is over.
      Quote: Tiger
      Or do you increase self-esteem?

      I write what I think.
  31. EvilLion
    EvilLion 10 October 2019 08: 26
    -1
    Putin alone should bring down all childbearing women? Can he, or is he only to blame for the pregnancy of Jane Psaki?

    There will be no increase, because instead of children, the population prefers cottages, resorts and new cars. I am already silent that there were few children in the 90s and there will simply be no one to give birth in the 2020s.

    In general, all these indicators of fertility and mortality over the years are bullshit, only fertility matters. And it will be possible to calculate fertility for those born in the 2000th only in the 2050-2060th. Well, roughly figure somewhere in the 2040. Unless, of course, medicine does not raise childbearing age during this time.

    Actually - this is the only salvation for world civilization, to live longer and give birth to a greater age, otherwise Europe and the USA will die or there will be a constant influx of migrants from impoverished countries, but they won’t be able to civilize them.
  32. VyacheSeymour
    VyacheSeymour 10 October 2019 08: 56
    -4
    There are several options to break the situation.
    1
    To redeem children after birth, taking the children, continue to pay the producers until the alienated children reach the age of majority.
    2
    Prohibit nightlife. backup power systems
    (generators, batteries, batteries) .And after the "TIME" program and half an hour of an erotic film, turn off the electricity everywhere ..
    3
    To requisition land and issue only upon the birth of a child,
    forbidding departure from villages, prohibiting all other types of income except from the allotment provided.
    4
    Set a minimum bar for the number of offspring after which you can have another wife
    5
    In the tax on wealth children want to live rich and earn
    - erysipelas of children ... No? - stifle taxes, dropping to the level of a living wage ..
    6
    Prohibit abortion. Introduce a punishment for them in the form of the forced birth of three children (for women). For men, the forced delivery of a bucket of sperm to the Bank of the same sperm plus the fertilization of five women (which other men did not pose for)

    7
    Remove all age restrictions on sex life, legalize
    incest, children to be taught in boarding schools with accommodation in shared dormitory rooms, prohibiting all entertainment except games of an erotic orientation.
    8
    Prohibit all types of contraception. To give them out as an encouragement to drummers of childbearing with the provision of paid leave to restore strength before the next reproductive cycles.
    9
    Any career (especially political) growth should depend on the contribution to the state reproduction piggy bank.
    10

    The country must definitely know its heroes in person !!!
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 10 October 2019 14: 18
      +1
      With such plans immediately in the madhouse
    2. Lighten
      Lighten 14 October 2019 19: 39
      0
      Where to subscribe? I am ready to join this party and sparing mattresses to work unstoppable working tool. I demand the author for a presidency or at least a deputy
  33. Revival
    Revival 10 October 2019 10: 10
    +1
    He won’t be, because they don’t need him
  34. kin
    kin 10 October 2019 10: 50
    +2
    First of all, it is planned to simplify the very procedure for obtaining citizenship.

    It is very difficult and costly to obtain citizenship. All this costs a lot of money, time, nerves. The eldest son, studying at the university and working in Russia, Russian by nationality, refused the Novosibirsk Ministry of Labor in the program of resettlement of compatriots under a far-fetched pretext. We think ourselves to move, so that the whole family can submit documents.
    To `` overcome '' the program there are helpers, forums, groups ...
    A lot of people who want to work at our place want to leave, very much.
  35. Victor N
    Victor N 10 October 2019 13: 13
    -1
    Fashionable perversion of consciousness: to seek the cause of demographic problems not in society, but in government. And in wallets.
    And it does not occur to the public that the population spends a lot of money on imported gadgets, which do not bring him any income, but only require funds for maintenance. Judging by the volume of advertising, they spend a lot on cats and dogs, reorienting parental instincts on them. If you want grandchildren - forbid children to start decorative and useless animals.
    Terrified of the prospect of having ONE grandson for four grandparents! It will surely be a complete narcissistic egoist!
    Women without children and grandchildren will certainly turn into vile, nasty old women! And the men will have one joy .....
  36. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 10 October 2019 15: 07
    +5
    All ministries, except defense, should be sent to the Far East in full force, handing them a hectare of land and confiscating all the property of officials and close relatives.
    Ministries and other organizations should be replaced by computers and several responsible persons plus system administrators ...
  37. Radikal
    Radikal 10 October 2019 15: 59
    +2
    Quote: NEOZ
    Quote: Ironcity
    Maybe it’s time for him to rest already, for years, so 16 is already like time, if it doesn’t work, then why suffer?

    yes yes, the Americans say so ... remove Putin and start a dialogue with you .......

    Hang an avatar for fun? lol sad
  38. NF68
    NF68 10 October 2019 16: 01
    +2
    Smoke, drink and not married? Putin is to blame.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 October 2019 23: 59
      -2
      Stopudov - Putin is to blame.
  39. nikvic46
    nikvic46 10 October 2019 18: 51
    +1
    "I got up early with a hangover. There is not a shit in my pocket. And my hands are shaking. What have the communists brought -". - Irteniev. There are many problems, but many are purely careless about working at the household level. There is no heating, and we send curses But it turns out that the plumbers forgot to unscrew the valve. As for the demographics, they impose both girls and boys. Without any decrees.
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  42. Tiger
    Tiger 10 October 2019 20: 45
    +2
    Quote: mordvin xnumx

    And you would walk in a dense forest. Three enterprises under the new government went bankrupt and destroyed where I worked.
    ...
    Who is this with?
    ...
    Count it, no. All pens, pens. I’m going to build a fence, it’s like the rain is over.
    ...
    I write what I think.

    You yourself first come back from the forest into reality, then you will try to send someone ..!
    With those whom you don’t even notice, but instead blame someone easier and who is closer ...
    So build your fence on! There will definitely be more benefits!
    Not everywhere and not always necessary to write ... what you think. There are, for example, thematic forums and sites, do not litter them with your thoughts! You can write on the Echo of Moscow, for example ... they all have diapers there by default! )))
  43. Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener 10 October 2019 22: 21
    +4
    Many commentators emphasize the material side. And they do it quite reasonably. But I would like to draw attention to another reason no less important. Psychological. In modern relations between a man and a woman. Which, in my opinion, has a much more serious impact than the financial one.
    This is a huge infantilism, fear and unwillingness to take responsibility. Escape from responsibility. First of all, in men.
    Widespread so-called "civil marriage" - which is like a guinea pig. Not marine. And not a pig. Simply put, banal: Cohabitation. Relations in which a woman for some reason says that she is married. And the man says that he is single. And in such relationships, as a rule, children that last for decades do not last.
    The exaltation of your ego, your Wishlist in absolute. And unwillingness to listen to your half. Trying to break it on the knee.
    In my opinion, this makes no less contribution to the number of divorces, fluctuating around 60%. And a very large number after 3 years. And during this period, a maximum of 1 child is born. And a woman who leaves a relationship through divorce or through the departure of a roommate no longer wants to repeat attempts to create a family.
    Although not indicative, as the sample is subjective. But none of my classmates got divorced due to housing problems. All were with their own housing. And a good income.
    From my 5 years of experience in family life, I can say that the guarantee of strong family relationships is a compromise and acceptance of responsibility.
    Sufficiency is important, of course. But after all, our grandfathers and great-grandfathers brought up large families in conditions compared with which today's life is an unattainable level of well-being. Maybe in this case, the devastation in the heads.
    1. fax66
      fax66 11 October 2019 12: 51
      +2
      Servisinzhener, I agree with you.
      And what is the title of the article !!! Why didn't they write "under Trump"? or "under Zhirinovsky"? Or at least just "until 2024"? Because Putin is to blame for everything! And the liberals flocked like flies to the city ...
      At least half of those who were here crucified about "Putin's guilt" have their children? I doubt it ...
      In my 90s, when I was full of w ... and with work, and with money, and prospects, two daughters were born.
      Who are you, rabid, will talk about the lack of money, doctors, kindergartens, etc.?
      In the heads of devastation! or in pants ...)))
  44. Ursus
    Ursus 11 October 2019 13: 40
    0
    Quote: Wend
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: 210ox
    It's not about Putin, but in the system that you switched to (or rather transferred to) at the beginning of 90's

    I don’t agree with you .. the case is in Putin and in the system that he created .. The most flawed in this system is that none of the top officials bears any responsibility .. not to Putin, much less to the people .. If they scored on May decrees and no one was hurt, they will score for any other instructions .. That’s why the matter is still in Putin. And yet, I think that the issue of demography is not given due attention, because the solution to this problem is complex and will require the government to fully mobilize and brains .. But their head only works to ensure their own well-being ..

    Well, the president is always your fault)) They give maternity capital, land, reduce mortgage interest, housing benefits, school uniform compensation, feed children at school for free, compensation for kindergarten, free travel, discounts for large families and so on. What else do you want to enter? Mostly officials use people's ignorance, but now officials have a tough time with it. Increasingly, they have to do what they have to do. Learning to assert your rights. For example, they wanted to throw me with a kindergarten, but it didn’t work out, although they fooled my head for four months. The officials will correct the grave.

    All were thrown with a pension. Who's guilty? How to assert your rights? Seniority 29 years
  45. Samum
    Samum 12 October 2019 00: 49
    +1
    As for Zadornov. I read the comments separately, all smart and together unwise people !!!!))) Everyone has different culprits for such a poor demographic situation of Russians, just put together all the problems together in a list and do not expose each praising and painting! !!!! A certain Tatyana, when Marika was banned in 2015, who sincerely advised you as a woman to go and talk with young girls to share your experience in life, to decipher the riddles of life so that the girls grow wiser and not thoughtful toads, and now your migrants are to blame !?
  46. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 12 October 2019 01: 47
    +3
    Quote: sniperino
    It was not we who came up with a solution to this situation: many countries solve a similar problem with the help of labor migrants

    So decide in your city.
    Bring in more migrants, and they will take away jobs from the indigenous population, fill up with drugs, rob and kill, rape.

    In Moscow, it’s impossible to breathe from them, and large and not-so-large businesses have big name-day hearts — businessmen pay 2-3 times less than Gaster businessmen than indigenous people.
    Development thieves lobby quotas, in the construction industry this figure now officially reaches 80%!!!
    PS a free bonus in the form of a monstrous increase in crime, with the advent of a new plague of the 21st century: nomad migrants are guaranteed.
    More than 73% of rapes in Moscow are committed by non-Russian citizens.

    "The Russian government has set quotas for the hiring of migrants. The largest share of foreigners among the total number of employees is allowed in the construction industry. is 80%... In the first half of 2019, 2,4 million foreigners came to Russia to work, this follows from the statistics of the FSB border service. These are mainly residents of the CIS countries. Today it became known that in the official documents of the Ministry of Economic Development there are ways to solve the demographic problem in Russia. True, due to the increase in migration. "



  47. The popuas
    The popuas 12 October 2019 13: 20
    -1
    They say Putin, they mean the current ,, system ,,!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 October 2019 18: 29
      +2
      Take the extended "Putin's dictatorial regime" the dictator Putin will leave - I’ll all start giving birth, just three per family.
      1. Nick
        Nick 13 October 2019 00: 31
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        Take the extended "Putin's dictatorial regime" the dictator Putin will leave - I’ll all start giving birth, just three per family.

        The funniest thing, Vadim, is that the author blamed Putin for the fact that with his arrival, the birth rate began to rise in the 2000s. All is correct. Those born after the 2000 year will begin to give birth after twenty years. This is just in the middle of the 20's.
  48. bar
    bar 12 October 2019 18: 26
    -3
    Frankly, I am shocked by the fact that it is the Ministry of Economic Development that deals with this issue.

    I’ll also say frankly - I am even more shocked by the very leadership of this ministry No.
  49. Private89
    Private89 12 October 2019 19: 59
    +3
    Here recently watched the film Guest from the future. And after watching me, the thought came to me - I can’t imagine that in today's Russia such a film could be born.
  50. Essex62
    Essex62 13 October 2019 01: 55
    +1
    Quote: Victor N
    that Abramovich, that Sechin, that Chubais are only villains. And they are talented entrepreneurs, though not without sin. (And which of us is holy?).

    Incredible talent, the beacons of the entire barge tribe. They clearly show how it is necessary, poisoned by the communist past, slaves to the nail to press and harass at the root. You know the saying, the defender of the "not sinless" - the well-fed does not understand the hungry? So, so that this was not rich individually, it should not be, at all! Self-esteem itches, enterprise itches - head a brigade (production, not bandyukovskaya), a workshop, then a plant, and so on to the minister. Here you will heal. And you personalalka and a dacha from the state and salary maybe more than a hard worker. But only in this way, otherwise the huckster and backbone. Everything created and mined in the country should be realized for all, without exception, its citizens.