Steinmeier Formula: Zelensky's Decision

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As you know, this formula is two-term: 1) ceasefire and troop withdrawal in the Donbass; 2) the status of Donbass. The terms should start the implementation of the Minsk agreements. The adoption of this formula is an indispensable condition for Moscow for a meeting of the heads of state in the "Norman format." Therefore, Kiev signed it, but will it fulfill it, will it be able to fulfill it?





Ceasefire


The first part of the formula is the election promise of President Zelensky: to end the war in the Donbass, that is, to stop shelling. In fact, all the nations of Ukraine opposed this, because after the ceasefire the question will arise about the implementation of the political part of the Minsk agreements.

Zelensky had already promised that he would not fulfill the second, political part of the "Steinmeier formula", but would only withdraw the troops, but the Nazis did not like that either. Because the fulfillment of the first part of the formula also pulls the second part. Therefore, nationalists of all stripes declare a ceasefire a betrayal and surrender to Russia. They don’t say it directly, therefore they speak out against the whole “Steinmeier formula”. This in itself says that it is Ukrainian nationalists in the Armed Forces of Ukraine who conduct provocative shelling of the Donbass in order to prevent the question of the implementation of the Minsk agreements from being raised.

Will Zelensky be able to cease fire and deploy troops not at separate already designated points, but along the entire front line? Unlikely. The Steinmeier Formula has already become a pretext for the nationalists to oppose Zelensky himself: “Get the hell out of you!” The only reason for this was once only the postponement of the European Association by President Yanukovych. The mistake of Zelensky, like Yanukovych, is that he began to change his political course without suppressing the power and propaganda capabilities of his political opponents. Today specifically - ex-president Poroshenko and ex-speaker of the Parliament of Parubia.

Zelensky’s reconciliation of the “Steinmeier formula” has already been proclaimed by the radical nations as betrayal and surrender. They claim that they will demand the denunciation of this formula from Zelensky, that is, the cancellation of the presidential decision. But if the shelling of Donbass by the nationalists does not stop, they will in fact disavow the signature of Kiev under the formula, and then there will be no “Norman format”. Vicious circle.

The Secret of Zelensky


Vladimir Zelensky is a powerless president who performs representative functions. He does not even have his own special forces like the "Golden Eagle", which nevertheless had the former president Yanukovych.

In fact, he is either under guard or under the secret control of the police of the Minister of the Interior and the secret chief of the “National Corps” Arsen Avakov, who has already prevented at least one attempt on Zelensky's other nationalists, for which he thanked the minister. We wrote about this paradoxical situation in an article on VO from 14.04.2019 of Vladimir Zelensky. The uprising in prison ": President Zelensky cannot suppress the Nazis, because they are his guard.

Zelensky is left with the only solution: under some pretext, perhaps after some provocation, to withdraw the signature of Kiev under the "Steinmeier formula" or to forget about it, as Poroshenko forgot about his signature under the Minsk agreements. Zelensky will not be able to completely withdraw his troops and cease fire: the nationalists on the front line do not obey him, they do not even think of ceasing fire.

Trump Stroke


At the UN General Assembly, President Trump met with President Zelensky and expressed the hope that he would solve all his problems with the President of Russia. In other words, Trump threw Ukraine off his accounts: after a telephone scandal with Zelensky, Ukrainian compromising evidence on ex-vice president Joe Biden does not really need him, the job is already done. Joe Biden has already been discredited during this scandal. Zelensky, by the way, is also discredited, in the USA the "independent" media have already rolled out the infamous "piano" to him, they will certainly roll it out in Kiev.

True, Congress continues to push supplies weapons to Ukraine, but for the money. Democrats still want to earn money in the war in Ukraine and are ready to continue to add gasoline to the fire. They go to the last battle on Trump and the continuation of the Ukrainian mess helps them in this, substituting Trump as "Putin's friend."

Ukrogate


In general, the American Democrats initiated the telephone presidential scandal, they went on it, although it was obvious that the reputation of their presidential candidate Joe Biden would suffer as a result of this scandal. For Trump, this is just another nuisance, and not fatal: since Trump has a majority in the Senate, the Democrats will not see impeachment. Perhaps Zelensky was the target of the Democrats in the telephone scandal, then it is logical that American show programs attacked him and lifted all the archives of his “95 quarter”. Finish off.

The fact is that the US Democratic Party, which is behind the coup in Ukraine and spins it as it can, also spins the Zelensky scandal: the Ukrainian president is becoming toxic to the American media, that is, the United States will not defend him. Democrats, as if friends of Ukraine, in fact gave Zelensky to be consumed by their media, and therefore, the Ukrainian media and nationalists. Trump unwittingly became part of this game, he acts in his own interests, but he did not humiliate Zelensky in any way, and even prompted him to get out of the situation - negotiations with Putin.

That is why the American Democrats drown Zelensky? But if their “deep state” set as their goal to destabilize Ukraine, then discrediting Zelensky is a well-considered move. Berlin and Paris definitely refused Washington a unified anti-Russian policy in Ukraine, they want to at least put out the Ukrainian conflict, and someone in the “Washington swamp” decided: “So don’t get anyone!” Destabilization of Ukraine will inevitably hit Europe as well , and across Russia, but the USA is far away ...
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  1. +4
    8 October 2019 15: 14
    how did this Ukraine get it, or rather its anti-Russian song .... all these Zelens, Turchynovs ... it looks like the people of Ukraine generally all on the drum ...... so we need to forget them and impose our sanctions!
    1. +5
      8 October 2019 16: 29
      Zelensky has only one way out, the same as for Yanukovych and Poroshenko. To ask Russia for help so that in 24 hours the president of Ukraine will be taken under the protection of Russian specialists and Russia will send troops. In then, Ukraine will remain a sovereign country.
      1. +1
        8 October 2019 17: 29
        so that in 24 hours the president of Ukraine was taken under the protection of Russian specialists and Russia sent troops. In then, Ukraine will remain a sovereign country.

        And we will get a guerrilla war with the Nazis. Do we need it?
        Yes, and the EU turned everything out so that Russia completely occupied Ukraine.
        1. +1
          8 October 2019 17: 40
          Quote: Honest Citizen
          so that in 24 hours the president of Ukraine was taken under the protection of Russian specialists and Russia sent troops. In then, Ukraine will remain a sovereign country.

          And we will get a guerrilla war with the Nazis. Do we need it?
          Yes, and the EU turned everything out so that Russia completely occupied Ukraine.

          There will be no guerrilla war, the Nazis will flee en masse from Ukraine in order to return later, as absent workers). However, Zelensky will not ask for help. For such a step, great courage is needed. So there will be nothing)
          1. 0
            8 October 2019 17: 50
            There will be no guerrilla war, Natsik will flee from Ukraine in large numbers,

            With that frantic Russophobia, and with the moral support of the West, they won’t run. Part, nevertheless, as you suggested, they will do so - but we will get the partisanship to the fullest ...
            1. +1
              8 October 2019 18: 09
              Quote: Honest Citizen
              There will be no guerrilla war, Natsik will flee from Ukraine in large numbers,

              With that frantic Russophobia, and with the moral support of the West, they won’t run. Part, nevertheless, as you suggested, they will do so - but we will get the partisanship to the fullest ...

              There will be no partisans. You are too much of an opinion about Svidomity. They either immediately change over on the fly and meet the Russian liberators with flowers, or they run away. There is no third.
              Here is https://x-true.info/89300-my-takogo-ne-ozhidali-kievljanka-otkrovenno-rasskazala-o-sblizhenii-s-rossiej-okkupantkoj.html
              1. +2
                8 October 2019 19: 25
                And who then killed Soviet soldiers until the middle of the 50 years in Soviet Ukraine?
                1. 0
                  9 October 2019 10: 08
                  Quote: Kronos
                  And who then killed Soviet soldiers until the middle of the 50 years in Soviet Ukraine?

                  And you read who killed. Aides of the Nazis, who had no choice. There is blood on them. Yes, and that was a very long time ago. Now, don't even hope laughing
                  1. +2
                    9 October 2019 11: 38
                    So on these blood and they are ready to kill
                    1. +1
                      9 October 2019 12: 36
                      Quote: Kronos
                      So on these blood and they are ready to kill

                      They know how to kill when they know that the victim will not show resistance. when they themselves are safe and when they are not called to account under the law.
            2. +1
              9 October 2019 12: 27
              Yes, about the partisans .. According to the recollections of the MGB officers, these dodges did not know how to meet death with dignity (when they were put against the wall) .. Unlike the same tribals.
            3. 0
              11 October 2019 19: 56
              I agree with you. There is no Ukraine that the older generation remembers. Even my classmates who went there were "fired". Although at the neighboring desks we sat together for 10 years. Svidomo is a serious thing. I don't want such people to live in my country again. For normal people, residents of Kiev, Kharkovites, open the maximum road to travel to Russia.
          2. +1
            8 October 2019 19: 25
            Quote: Wend
            However, Zelensky will not ask for help.

            hi , Anatoly.
            Moreover - he and his "Timurovskaya team" are completely under the nails of the Nazis. Here is what a member of the "team" - the speaker of the Verkhovna Rada Razumkov said (compare this with the statements of Sturmbannfuehrer Biletsky):
          3. +2
            10 October 2019 11: 35
            Oh well. why did you suddenly decide that it was only in the Natsiks who had run and nowhere to go? there is still the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. special services and just a population that, to put it mildly, does not sympathize with us. the invasion will put them all near and it will have to be grinded. where did the opinion suddenly appear that someone was waiting for us there? in addition to military units, everything will have to be entered there. from the guards then the regular police to conduct filtering and monitor the rule of law. there is no walk and never will be. it will be a major war with all the consequences. huge costs without any chance of achieving something. and for what ?! who then will finance it? contain +?
        2. +2
          8 October 2019 21: 40
          Quote: Honest Citizen
          so that in 24 hours the president of Ukraine was taken under the protection of Russian specialists and Russia sent troops. In then, Ukraine will remain a sovereign country.

          And we will get a guerrilla war with the Nazis. Do we need it?
          Yes, and the EU turned everything out so that Russia completely occupied Ukraine.

          And what a freeloader!
        3. +2
          9 October 2019 05: 45
          But do we need it? A Nazi state at hand, controlled by the Amerzians?
          1. +1
            10 October 2019 11: 37
            do not. therefore, it must be crumbled and not defeated.
      2. 0
        8 October 2019 19: 24
        It will be an occupation, nobody will do it
        1. +1
          9 October 2019 10: 11
          Quote: Kronos
          It will be an occupation, nobody will do it

          Come on. If at the request of the current government, then it will. They entered Syria, at the request of Assad. In Syria, anyone is an occupier, but not Russia.
      3. +2
        10 October 2019 12: 08
        Quote: Wend
        Zelensky has only one way out, the same as for Yanukovych and Poroshenko. To ask Russia for help so that in 24 hours the president of Ukraine will be taken under the protection of Russian specialists and Russia will send troops. In then, Ukraine will remain a sovereign country.

        Most likely Zelensky is already conducting tacit negotiations with Moscow - the heating season on the nose and transit is interesting).
        At the expense of help - Zelensky is not molded from that test - the roots are different, but Ukraine is not interested in Europe - and Europeans have practically free labor from Ukraine! )
        1. +1
          10 October 2019 13: 36
          Quote: Lesorub
          Quote: Wend
          Zelensky has only one way out, the same as for Yanukovych and Poroshenko. To ask Russia for help so that in 24 hours the president of Ukraine will be taken under the protection of Russian specialists and Russia will send troops. In then, Ukraine will remain a sovereign country.

          Most likely Zelensky is already conducting tacit negotiations with Moscow - the heating season on the nose and transit is interesting).
          At the expense of help - Zelensky is not molded from that test - the roots are different, but Ukraine is not interested in Europe - and Europeans have practically free labor from Ukraine! )

          Europe is interesting to Europe only as a raw materials appendage or as a territory that can be chopped off.
  2. +1
    8 October 2019 15: 18
    The first part of the formula is the election promise of President Zelensky: to end the war in the Donbass, that is, to stop shelling
    but there is a good saying "Do not believe your eyes, but believe my words."
  3. 0
    8 October 2019 15: 23
    Not a second doubted Zelensky’s abilities as president. Just thought that he would last a little longer. Zelensky would meet in any format with Europe and Putin - to solve something on gas, but, along the way, this will not happen before the end of the year.
  4. +7
    8 October 2019 15: 33
    The outskirts were previously not negotiable, but now in twins. Close the door and throw out the key. Any conversations with unfinished useless, just a waste of time.
    1. 0
      8 October 2019 19: 29
      Quote: evgic
      Any conversations with unfinished useless, just a waste of time.

      hi
      However, father LAS has a different opinion and action:
      1. +1
        8 October 2019 21: 42
        Quote: Lelek
        However, father LAS has a different opinion and action:

        Oh, he’s muddied up!
  5. +1
    8 October 2019 15: 46
    the way out is negotiations with Putin.

    "Come closer Banderlog, closer, closer ....." (C) (m / f "Mowgli")
  6. +1
    8 October 2019 15: 53
    Ukraine has only one way out - to accept the help of Russia with all the ensuing consequences. But there is no person capable of such a step.
    1. +8
      8 October 2019 16: 12
      Quote: Sergey39
      Ukraine has only one way out - to accept the help of Russia with all the ensuing consequences. But there is no person capable of such a step.

      No, they are just capable of receiving help on the ball and without obligations, but at the same time they will observe the ritual and spit in the direction of Russia. So let them do without our help for now. Along the way, the time will soon come for Vitya Yanukovych for a "gypsy with an exit" against the background of Gunpowder and Ze, with him the Ukrainians worked, ate high-calorie and did not even freeze, and the dollar was 8 hryvnia for one green. Soon they will secretly paint a halo on his portraits and pray at night for his second coming and the deliverance of the hulks from crazy Nazis, patriotic and hijackers.
      1. +1
        8 October 2019 21: 43
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Along the way, the time will soon come for Vitya Yanukovych's "gypsy with an exit"

        Spineless he.
        1. 0
          8 October 2019 22: 29
          Quote: major147
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Along the way, the time will soon come for Vitya Yanukovych's "gypsy with an exit"

          Spineless he.

          The Lord’s ways are inscrutable, Comrade Major. hi Here, not so long ago, the EU suddenly removed V. "Panda" from the sanctions and generally removed the arrests from his accounts. He himself (Vitya), here the other day, somehow suddenly, apparently in a fit of "nostalgia", uttered that he intended to return to the Square ... It seems like a trifle hopeless !!!? But not quite ... If you look from the other side, then for sure now a certain group of people, after the statement made, is monitoring and dynamite the result of this "exhaust" in projection to the reaction of the Ukrainian society. Until the upcoming "northern fluffy animal" in Ukraine at the moment, Yanukovych did not scatter such statements. Vitya did not show strength because he believed in the guarantees that were given to him by the representatives of Europe, who by signing these guarantees already knew that literally within 2014 hours Vitya should have been killed. When Vitya realized this, the only thing left for him was to get on the skis and skim. By the way, among his guarantors was a person whose formula Ukraine recently signed up to, namely Comrade Stanmeier. The fact is that the "misunderstanding that arose in 100", instead of gaining "buns" from the absorption of the market and the economy of Ukraine, turned into a serial acquisition of hemorrhoids for Europe with economic losses of more than XNUMX billion euros, and without the prospect of recapturing at least what was it (Ukraine) has been invested, which prompts Europe to look for ways to ensure that the time of "hemorrhoid treatment" is resolved in the foreseeable future and does not stretch for decades. They will be excised by surgery and very soon. If Vitya is fit for the role of a "medical laser", they will agree to him as well. They (the EU) have recently been doing very badly with respect to principles. laughing
          1. 0
            9 October 2019 11: 01
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            If Vitya will do

            All your reasons are valid. But whether it will fit for such a role is a question. In order to unleash a large civil war on the outskirts, strong "Fabergés" are needed, and with this, as time has shown, Vitya has big problems.
            1. 0
              9 October 2019 11: 10
              Quote: major147
              All your reasons are valid. But whether it will fit for such a role is a question. In order to unleash a large civil war on the outskirts, strong "Fabergés" are needed, and with this, as time has shown, Vitya has big problems.
              In order to hold Ukraine together, it is unlikely to fit, but in order to finally split it, completely. In principle, it is already split, according to "ethnicity", "move" and "faith", it is only necessary to complete this territorially, which will subsequently be legally consolidated. In this matter, it is fundamentally important that they do it independently and with their own hands, the main thing is not to interfere with this and not try to preserve their territorial integrity from the outside. hi
              1. +2
                9 October 2019 11: 31
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                the main thing is not to bother them

                I cannot but agree, but I am afraid of the prospect of getting on the "neck" of Russia an arrogant, loud and terribly lazy parasite, tk. I suspect from the very beginning (from the Maidan) that this whole farce was started by the West in order to attach the most devastated outskirts to "fraternal" Russia, thereby economically and politically weakening Russia as much as possible with all the consequences.
                1. 0
                  9 October 2019 11: 42
                  Quote: major147
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  the main thing is not to bother them

                  I cannot but agree, but I am afraid of the prospect of getting on the "neck" of Russia an arrogant, loud and terribly lazy parasite, tk. I suspect from the very beginning (from the Maidan) that this whole farce was started by the West in order to attach the most devastated outskirts to "fraternal" Russia, thereby economically and politically weakening Russia as much as possible with all the consequences.

                  There is a certain risk, you are right. But if this happens, then the divorce of the Ukrainian regions can be carried out in national apartments. Something will return under the jurisdiction of Hungary, Romania and Poland (it’s not for nothing that they distribute their passports there), something will join Russia, and some territory inhabited by the majority of Svidomo will seize the Square on their farm, play on the move and put on embroidered shirts and kiss the American flag ... I doubt that today in the Western world and Europe there are those who want to make a prosperous Ukraine. except for headaches and hemorrhoids, it does not produce anything else today. Taking into account the "experience" gained, Russia is all the more not interested in its preservation. We will raise those regions that will return to us (turn), and as for the rest, here, as in the film - "herself, herself .." (Station for Two) hi
                  1. +4
                    9 October 2019 11: 52
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    Those regions that will return to us (will turn)

                    For Russia, it would be ideal to split the outskirts into regions with the formation of "independent" republics there, with their reorganization and gradual absorption. hi
                    1. +1
                      9 October 2019 11: 54
                      Quote: major147
                      Quote: Nyrobsky
                      Those regions that will return to us (will turn)

                      For Russia, it would be ideal to split the outskirts into regions with the formation of "independent" republics there, with their reorganization and gradual absorption. hi

                      Something like this hi
                      1. +1
                        9 October 2019 11: 58
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        Something like this

                        hi drinks
                      2. -1
                        11 October 2019 07: 01
                        From the category of "how to manage the galaxy without attracting the attention of orderlies"))
  7. +3
    8 October 2019 15: 57
    In principle, this was expected since Zelensky does not have, or rather did not manage to build that environment, turning to which his back could not be afraid that someone would not shoot him in the back of the head. Reliance on the power block he no. those who enter it and steers it, for the most part they themselves are afraid of normalization of relations since they have blood on their hands and sovereign treasury they were tirelessly tearing, and therefore the war saves them from prison. The fact that the state, having an army and law enforcement agencies, cannot curb the group of Natsiks, testifies to the fact that the state of Ukraine as such is no longer there, but there is a life according to concepts that is spreading out of lawlessness. After Ze, ur.kain definitely awaits decay and bloodshed because there are no prerequisites for the peaceful coexistence of the state and the frostbite Natsik.
  8. +2
    8 October 2019 15: 58
    In other words, Trump threw Ukraine off his accounts: after a telephone scandal with Zelensky, Ukrainian compromising evidence on ex-vice president Joe Biden does not really need him, the job is already done. Joe Biden has already been discredited during this scandal.
    Yes, nothing of the kind!
    This is only the beginning of a war of incriminating evidence. Zelensky Trump is even needed, because without real corruption investigation cases in which Biden and his son are involved, Trump has nothing significant.
    Yes, a shadow has been cast on Biden, but there are still long "leaps" ahead.
    In general, the American Democrats initiated the telephone presidential scandal, they went on it, although it was obvious that the reputation of their presidential candidate Joe Biden would suffer as a result of this scandal. For Trump, this is just another nuisance, and not fatal: since Trump has a majority in the Senate, the Democrats will not see impeachment.
    Yes, the Democrats seized on the conversation, but with the subtle presentation of Trump himself! They (donkeys) did not expect such a setup in the form of a request (not pressure!) To investigate the issue of the removal of the Prosecutor General by Biden and solely in order to protect Democracy around the world!
    Trump has a conditional majority in the Senate. There are (and many) shifters who quickly change if Trump smells fried.
  9. +4
    8 October 2019 16: 12
    Seltz seems doomed. The Armed Forces, the National Guard and the Ministry of Internal Affairs will not help him, Avakov drowns him, and he cannot materialize 76% of popular support. The only way to salvation is to help Russia, but Zelts is a situational Russophobe. For 5-6 years, his company arranged such a Russophobic coven weekly, and then daily, which shows his deep hatred of the once-received insult.
  10. 0
    8 October 2019 16: 46
    The US Democratic Party, which is behind the coup d'etat in Ukraine and spins it as it can, also spins the scandal around Zelensky: for the American media, the Ukrainian president is becoming toxic, that is, the United States will not protect him

    Strange article. On the one hand, there are some facts-conclusions; and on the other - water-water. Would dry up the article, remove patriotic emotions, add logic. Then it would look like analytics, and so, "yellow press". Zhovto-blakitnaya))))
  11. 0
    8 October 2019 16: 50
    ... yesterday cats were choked, choked, choked, choked, choked, choked ...
    What is federalization with the fascists?
  12. -1
    8 October 2019 16: 53
    Kamenev and another epic on the theme "Ukraine of the Khan"
    The United States threw, the EU threw ... in short all threw. RF -vine.
    It’s good to be an analyst, you write, you write, and that's it at the cash register. To turn out - you see, I was right and always said that!
    not work out - well, who will remember that?
    All these Kamenevsky KhPPs and rituals .. All these God save America and her trump.
    It was thought - but it’s good that Ukraine is worth it.
    Indeed, otherwise it was difficult for Kamenev. It is so easy and convenient to write any heresy. And the object would disappear.
    And so it’s easy to write with a song.
    How do you think that they expect more from Zelensky in the Russian Federation than in Ukraine - so you understand, why aren’t they expecting KhPP from their president? 6 year went then ...
    We have KhPZ has arrived ... laughing
    1. +1
      10 October 2019 11: 46
      but as a matter of fact there are thoughts, or is the author just not happy with you? or maybe you want to say that Zelensky is playing some game? refute the author is the same curious even. what is he specifically wrong about? that in your country anarchy has finally manifested itself? that you don’t have a commander-in-chief and the whole bunch of patients decide on your head? that you don’t need peace and that you finally showed these days? our house on the bank of the river costs about 30 years. If only homeless people live there. and the place is gorgeous and the house could be gorgeous. but it didn’t work out. and the house is ...
  13. 0
    8 October 2019 20: 11
    It is necessary to withdraw 75% to the street, and maintain contact with the APU. They are also straining with Natsik. Otherwise, nothing. But for this, courage must also have love for the motherland. He wished courage GDP.
  14. 0
    9 October 2019 18: 04
    Against this, in fact, all the nations of Ukraine spoke out

    Steinmeier’s formulas were opposed by the regional and city Councils of Ukraine: Khmelnitsky, Ternopol, Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk regional councils, a number of city councils.
    -
  15. mmk
    0
    13 October 2019 03: 00
    Ze V.A. turned out to be a useless ball_ball.
  16. 0
    13 October 2019 10: 39
    According to their version - "Shtanmayer's Formula".

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