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Minsk is forever. Analytics in the closet

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Post-truth Attraction


Having looked at all this multi-part hysteria around the "Steinmeier formula" and the Minsk agreements, I suddenly wanted to delve into news headlines over the past five years. After spending several evenings hunting for this non-trivial activity, your humble servant discovered that since 2014, on both sides of the barricades, there are about a hundred talking heads of varying degrees of veneration (with or without education, self-proclaimed and recognized) and completely different beliefs (which often changed in the process to the opposite) absolutely authoritatively and clearly proved the following to us:

- Russia will apply a cunning plan / secret superweapon and defeat Ukraine;
- Ukraine will apply a cunning plan / secret superweapon and defeat Russia;
- Ukraine / "junta" survives the last days;
- Russia / “Putin’s regime” is living out its last days;
- New Russia merged;
- They betrayed Ukraine, gave it to Putin for a living;
- Poroshenko (now Zelensky) overthrown by the nationalists;
- Putin will be demolished by the starving inhabitants of the Kuban, who will then put on bloomers and go under the accordion to bow to the Ukrainian president.
And so on.



It is most indicative to reread the headlines of the summer of 2014, when the operational situation at the front changed almost every week and no one really understood anything, and numerous "experts" shared their "insiders" who whispered in their ears either in the Kremlin or in the State Department, nothing else. And the next day, these "experts" on both sides of the barricades poured their "insiders" and "analytics" into the closet and issued new ones that were opposite to yesterday.

And you know what is the most amazing? They have been meekly read and are still being read. No one had any complaints.

Steinmeier Come!


Based on the experience gained, enriched by the chic opportunity to observe what is happening in the Donbass directly, as well as through the prism of local, Russian, Ukrainian and Western news, I want to draw a disappointing conclusion: the lion's share of all “analytics”, all these endless “insiders” and announcements of the end of the world (by the way, a very ancient tradition) is not worth the time spent reading. And what can you do if the powers that be do not share their secret pursuits and plans with newspapers and bloggers. And the newspapers and bloggers themselves, moreover, often prefer common sense to large attendance, freely convertible into banknotes.

In the era of the Internet and post-truths, the artels' texts, which were called news publications in the old fashion, do not sell information, but, at best, meanings or reasoning. At worst, with bare emotional headlines. Moreover, such headlines of a political nature are slightly more valuable than something like this: “Shock! The singer is disgraced on the air! ”, Or with tips on how to remove parasites or lengthen the penis.

Eternal Minsk


Therefore, today, when the brains are bombarded from every iron by the notorious “Steinmeier formula” and the Minsk agreements, remembering how much media garbage has already been poured onto the head, and hearing the “truce” rumble outside the window, I don’t want to jump out of the window or grab it for the machine. The brain simply refuses to believe that if somewhere in Minsk, Normandy or Timbuktu politicians sign another piece of paper or a memorandum of intentions, this will result in some quantitative or qualitative changes for Donbass.

Because Ukraine is now profitable war and disadvantageous peace. And even if something changes, it’s impossible for Kiev to simply declare an army in which there are a lot of those who are obsessed with the war and those who are vitally interested in it: “Sabbath, everything is at home.” And in the same way, the LNR armed forces will not go anywhere - they will not dissolve in the air, no matter the theorize. And Russia will not go anywhere from the problem of self-proclaimed republics, just as it has not gone anywhere from Transdniestria, Abkhazia and Ossetia.

Because it is impossible to cut the Gordian knot of the Donbass either by signing memoranda and formulas, or by agreements. And there will be eternal Minsk until either the donkey flies or the paddies die. So it remains to wait for the black swan.

And the news should be treated calmly and critically. I definitely say. I have an insider straight from one of the towers.
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  1. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 8 October 2019 05: 01
    -18
    Minsk accords approved by the UN. Minsk-2 allowed not to draw Russia into the war and not to arrange a big war in Europe. May Minsk agreements be eternal !!!
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 8 October 2019 05: 27
      +26
      May Minsk agreements be eternal !!!

      Yes, yes and may the sanctions against Russia be eternal, hehe also approved by the UN.
      The UN has not stopped a single war and the problem of Donbass is the problem of the security of the Russian people from the genocide of the Natsiks of Ukraine and indeed of any other Natsiks such as the Baltic states.
      For if we silently agree that it is possible to hang and kill the Russian population, then the solution of the Russian question in Eastern Europe will be carried out by analogy with the solution of the Jewish question in the Second World War.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 8 October 2019 05: 41
        +3
        Alexei, I welcome, about sanctions, an old topic and an eternal one for RI-USSR-Russia ...
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 8 October 2019 06: 09
          +3
          Based on the experience gained, enriched with a gorgeous opportunity to observe what is happening in Donbas directly, as well as through the prism of local, Russian, Ukrainian and Western news, I would like to draw a disappointing conclusion: the lion's share of all "analytics" <....> is not worth the time spent for reading. And what can you do if the powers that be do not share their secret activities and plans with newspapers and bloggers. And the newspapers and bloggers themselves, moreover, often prefer a large attendance to common sense, freely convertible into banknotes.
          Well, dear author, you don’t need to really exaggerate so much and dump all the analysts in one pile!
          For example, my analytical article on Ukraine "What problem does America solve? Zueva T.F." was also published on "VO" in 2015, and moreover, it was reprinted with "VO" on 12 more sites!
          Let me give you a small excerpt from this article, and you tell me and here what in your opinion, in your analytical predictions it was not so ?! What could you specifically agree with in it?
          From here you can make the following conclusion-forecast for Ukraine.
          1. The ethnic conflict in Ukraine was provoked by the USA and the EU countries for the physical destruction of people in the areas of production by the Americans and the Poles of shale gas. The Russian population has nothing to do with it. People of other nationalities would live here, find fault with people of other nationalities. The peoples of Ukraine would be divided, if not by language, then by eyes, ears, etc.

          2. Paying Ukraine and the Ukrainians any compensation for the fact that part of their territory as a result of the parasitism of Americans and other foreigners in Ukraine falls into an environmental disaster and in fact simply falls out of the places where people live, no one is going to and will not.

          3. In order to reduce the degree of future social problems in Ukraine and to “observe” the future in the future, in the eyes of the world community, Americans, who own the lion's share of the shale business in Ukraine, are interested in completely destroying the entire population in Slavyansk and its surrounding areas. settlements. And it will be completely destroyed by military means, including women and children according to the principle “There is no person - and there are no problems!”

          Therefore, for the sake of the prosperity of the American business in Ukraine, the city of Slavyansk, as well as all cities and towns over the Yuzovsky gas field and near it, according to American plans, should be wiped off the Earth by the National Army of Ukraine. What is being done. Any political negotiations on stopping the bloodshed will be fruitless. And the consent of the United States and the like to them is just a bluff. This needs to be clearly understood. This situation, as in the blockade of Leningrad, when the German troops were ordered, did not take the surrendered population of Leningrad alive - there is no money from the Germans to feed and treat the Leningrad residents. And so the Germans will not have any economic, humanitarian and political problems.

          And those who in Ukraine in the area of ​​shale gas fields will survive and will not be able to move somewhere, will simply become extinct, like Colorado beetles from toxic chemicals. No wonder supporters for the federalization of Ukraine living in the area of ​​shale deposits were cynically called "Colorado" - from the name "Colorado potato beetle". Someone initially knew all the disastrous ecological perspective from the cooperation with the Americans of the Ukrainian authorities in the field of shale gas production by them.

          4. <…>

          5. Thus, we are talking about the genocide of people in general in Ukraine for the sake of the environmentally extremely dirty business of Americans and other foreigners with the help of corrupt politicians in Ukraine itself. We can already speak of war crimes against humanity in Ukraine by the United States, some EU countries, all those personalities who give orders to conduct punitive operations and who participate in them.

          6.Moreover, events in Ukraine shows that the future world war for the drinking water of mankind on planet Earth, which is predicted by the same American scientists and politicians around the world, has a completely man-made reason. This is not so much the result of the natural overpopulation of the planet, but the result of the parasitic, predatory aggressive implementation of the so-called colonial economy. "Clean market" according to the crazy doctrine of the "shock" of Milton Friedman and his followers in developing countries in favor of transnational international "elites". This is the result of pathological greed, pathological thirst for profit, money-grubbing of the globalist establishment of the USA, EU countries (Poland, Germany) and in Ukraine itself; mental pathology, which in itself already testifies to the biological degeneration of the personalities of this establishment as people of the biological type of "intelligent man." Erich Fromm paid attention to this type of pathology - greedy money-grubbing in his book "Anatomy of Human Destructiveness" when he studied the psychology of German fascists. And indeed, after all in Ukraine in the zone of the Yuzovskoye gas field there was no overpopulation of residents and there is no - but foreign gas field developers will turn these lands into ecological deserts for centuries, which infect all life around with death. And so the Americans act around the world - and with the involvement of hired punishers, all sorts of thugs, the same as themselves, degenerates, against the local population fleeing from nonhumans.

          7. This in turn allows us to make a more global conclusion. The fight against the federalization of the eastern regions of Ukraine is, in the aggregate, by and large the war of biological degenerates as individuals of a biological type of "reasonable man" who illegally seized power in Ukraine against mentally healthy people. Ukraine is just a regional center of this global world war.

          See in detail - https://topwar.ru/52987-kakuyu-zadachu-reshaet-amerika.html
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 8 October 2019 06: 37
            +5
            Dear author!
            For example, among foreign analytical journalists there are highly respected - politically literate and honest - authors. For example, the Italian journalist and communist Giulietto Chiesa, who was the first to tell the whole world about the reason why the undercover colonial and economic reason the war began in the south-east of Ukraine. He pointed out the true essence of the content of this war in Ukraine.
            Namely, Julietto Chiesa told the world that five regions of Ukraine with shale gas deposits sold under Yanukovych (lease for 50 years with prolongation in the future) to Shell and Chevron to the American oil companies. And this is the territory of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions.
            According to the Italian journalist Giulietto Chiesa, what is happening now in the South-West of Ukraine is the sweeping of territories for the owners from Shell and Chevron.

            Is this his honest work not worthy of our respect ?!

            Lugansk and Donbass sold to the States for shale gas !? Italian journalist and communist Giulietto Chiesa Published: July 7 2014 of the year.
            1. Yegor Makhov
              8 October 2019 07: 45
              +2
              There are actually a lot of worthy authors, but their voices are often drowned out.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 8 October 2019 08: 04
                0
                Quote: Egor Makhov
                There are actually a lot of worthy authors, but their voices are often drowned out.

                I agree with you that their voices are drowning, but they still somehow reach the public consciousness.
                And it’s good that in our country, nevertheless, there are excellent professional analysts who are breaking light into the darkness of the same Ukraine and the USSR / Russia from completely different and very important sides. At the same time, the historical factorological mosaic develops into an integral scientifically sound worldview for public consciousness.
                For example, the Russian historian and political scientist Andrei Fursov.

                The secret of the re-election of Yeltsin. The shocking facts. Andrey Fursov. Published: 4 Oct 2019
                See from 11: 00 min. (In general, it’s better to listen to the whole video.)
          2. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 8 October 2019 06: 44
            +1
            Tatyana hi . The enemies of Russia are very hindered by Minsk-2, with the help of these agreements we keep Germany and France on a short and strict leash and now we rage ...
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 8 October 2019 06: 51
              +2
              Quote: Tank jacket
              Tatyana hi . Minsk-2 is very hindering the enemies of Russia, so they are raging ...

              Yes! The world is not just redistributing the oil sales market by Washington and the "collective West", but also redistributing its gas-oil and coal reserves and deposits. Naturally, on their part, all this is done by someone else's hands under the flag of parochial nationalism and chauvinism.
        2. vlad106
          vlad106 8 October 2019 13: 10
          +3
          Quote: Tank jacket
          sanctions are an old theme and eternal for the RI-USSR-Russia ...

          sanctions sanctions, but the Kremlin passed Novorossia or what?
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 8 October 2019 08: 42
        +2
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        The UN has not stopped a single war and the problem of Donbass is the problem of the security of the Russian people from the genocide of the Natsiks of Ukraine and indeed of any other Natsiks such as the Baltic states.

        And what good have the UN done since 1953? Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia, Syria, Ukraine, or maybe Korea and Vietnam?
        1. Avior
          Avior 8 October 2019 10: 12
          -1
          What is wrong with Korea?
          A prosperous country like?
      3. major147
        major147 8 October 2019 11: 43
        +2
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Yes, yes and may the sanctions against Russia be eternal, hehe also approved by the UN.

        I would like to clarify what sanctions are approved by the UN? hi
      4. neri73-r
        neri73-r 8 October 2019 12: 08
        +1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        eternal sanctions against Russia hehe also approved by the UN.

        With what joy is the UN here? And when did the UN approve sanctions against our country? We have taken away the right of veto?
      5. Sergey49
        Sergey49 14 October 2019 13: 26
        0
        In Kiev, have all the Russians been killed and outweighed? Or in five years did not manage?
    2. 210ox
      210ox 8 October 2019 06: 48
      +2
      Ruslan-this conflict cannot be repaid by diplomatic efforts.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 8 October 2019 06: 50
        -3
        And the article is not about conflict, I welcome hi There are no military solutions either ...
        1. 210ox
          210ox 8 October 2019 07: 32
          0
          Yes, an article about the futility of resolving this conflict, even if "Minsk" or "Steinmeier". Even if this is beneficial to our enemies. Now time is playing on them.
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 8 October 2019 08: 31
            -1
            Dmitry, I think that time works in the Russian Federation. Yesterday showed how Shoigu dug up Red Lingonberry.
        2. asv363
          asv363 8 October 2019 08: 16
          +4
          Ruslan, dear. Politics - politics, but the day before yesterday in the DPR there were 39 shells using 886 ammunition. As of 18:00 yesterday, there were already 20 shellings, 10 houses were destroyed or damaged. And it is in the winter. Shelling of front-line villages and cities is a long-standing favorite strategy of the EFU. What do you order?
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 8 October 2019 08: 22
            -1
            I do not know how to contact you, I would like to comment again. The article is not about shelling, but about the benefits or uselessness of Minsk-2. There are many times more benefits, many times less victims.
            1. asv363
              asv363 8 October 2019 08: 55
              +2
              Clause 1 of Appendix No. 1 "Package of Measures" of the UN Security Council Resolution No. 2202 of 15.02.2015 refers to a complete ceasefire. This is the so-called. "Minsk-2". "Mayer's pants", about which many write, this is to the point about the elections of the same "Minsk-2" and about the change in Ukrainian legislation. Thus, without the cessation of shelling by the VFU, the implementation of the Minsk agreements is impossible.

              PS My name is Sergey, if you can’t see it from the phone / tablet.
              1. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 8 October 2019 09: 08
                -2
                Sergey, I don’t like the shelling either, but a full-scale war isn’t even more like it, and under Minsk-2 it is impossible. And I trust Lavrov.
                1. And
                  And 8 October 2019 09: 33
                  +5
                  Greetings. There is a double-edged sword. Without the Minsk agreements, residents of the republics could fully pinch and "cook" APUs in boilers. And after Minsk-1,2, 3,4,5 only occasionally fire back. At the same time, the world "civilized" public after Minsk stopped seeing the constant shelling of Donbass by the Nazis. There would be a full-scale response from the Donbass, the west would immediately squeal about Minsk-XNUMX, etc. And the current situation is over without large-scale hostilities, but with regular shelling reminds me of the ancient Eastern torture "death from a thousand cuts." This raises the question of what "cut" will be fatal?
                  1. Sergey1987
                    Sergey1987 9 October 2019 12: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: And
                    At the same time, the world "civilized" public after Minsk stopped seeing the constant shelling of Donbass by the Nazis.

                    Do you think our are not firing at the position of vsu. Of course shelling. And they are losing everything.
          2. Sergey1987
            Sergey1987 9 October 2019 12: 04
            0
            Quote: asv363
            Ruslan, dear. Politics - politics, but the day before yesterday in the DPR there were 39 shells using 886 ammunition.

            I was in Donetsk that week. There is a lot of talk about shelling on all channels and in VO. I did not hear a single shot.
            1. asv363
              asv363 9 October 2019 13: 27
              0
              Here is a link to the OSCE SMM report in Ukraine in Russian dated October 7, for the 4th, 5th and 6th:
              https://www.osce.org/ru/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/434837
              At the bottom of the page, click "download the full version of the report" and enjoy 25 pages of information. They are definitely not supporters of the DPR and LPR.
              1. Sergey1987
                Sergey1987 9 October 2019 13: 39
                0
                Quote: asv363
                Here is a link to the OSCE SMM report in Ukraine in Russian dated October 7, for the 4th, 5th and 6th:

                I was 1,2.
                1. asv363
                  asv363 9 October 2019 14: 43
                  0
                  The first in the evening was fired at the DAP area and twice at the Volvo Center area, for the second once from the KK at the Trudovskie mine settlement.
    3. Victorio
      Victorio 8 October 2019 08: 43
      +2
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Minsk accords approved by the UN. Minsk-2 allowed not to draw Russia into the war and not to arrange a big war in Europe. May Minsk agreements be eternal !!!

      ===
      where such confidence? and if so: the Ukrainian army, after boilers and with little pressure / help from outside, would go all the way to Kiev, Europe would actively rush to a halt (moreover, on the territories that would be beneficial for LDNR, and maybe new independent ones), America issued the same sanctions , and in the finale - a very real Ukrainian federation ?!
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 8 October 2019 08: 52
        0
        And where did you get such confidence? Let me model it differently, NATO and the United States are pushing the UN resolution and operation "Single Trident of Democracy" A pile of coffins and the collapse of the Russian Federation as under Nicholas II.
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 8 October 2019 09: 35
          +2
          Quote: Tank jacket
          And from where such confidence you? I’ll simulate in a different way, the NATO bloc and the US push through the UN resolution and Operation "One Trident of Democracy" A pile of coffins
          and the collapse of the Russian Federation as under Nicholas II.

          ===
          Confidence was at your first (re-read again). I had questions in mine.
          and about the operation "One trident of democracy" don't even comment
          1. dauria
            dauria 8 October 2019 23: 59
            +3
            and on the operation "Single Trident of Democracy" you shouldn't even comment


            Then explain what stopped Putin in 2014? Such formidable statements were "We will not give ... If they dare ... We will defend .." Columns of armored personnel carriers tudy-syudy rolled to the border. And suddenly there was silence. Instead of the army, there were humanitarian convoys, the rhetoric changed from "How are we going to cut it" to "guys, let's live together."
            Maybe it all came to the red line? And oh, how reluctant to cross it (not to Putin, but to those who own the country). After all, everything acquired by overwork is there in the damned West. The most scandalous - after all, not even the war was scared, it is unlikely that anyone would have decided in Europe on madness. They were frightened of losing their well-fed and comfortable position - sit, trade in gas and oil and champ in full.
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 9 October 2019 10: 46
              0
              Quote: dauria
              and on the operation "Single Trident of Democracy" you shouldn't even comment


              Then explain what stopped Putin in 2014? Such formidable statements were "We will not give ... If they dare ... We will defend .." Columns of armored personnel carriers tudy-syudy rolled to the border. And suddenly there was silence. Instead of the army, there were humanitarian convoys, the rhetoric changed from "How are we going to cut it" to "guys, let's live together."
              Maybe it all came to the red line? And oh, how reluctant to cross it (not to Putin, but to those who own the country). After all, everything acquired by overwork is there in the damned West. The most scandalous - after all, not even the war was scared, it is unlikely that anyone would have decided in Europe on madness. They were frightened of losing their well-fed and comfortable position - sit, trade in gas and oil and champ in full.

              ===
              your version is quite possible, but even to unleash a war, as the tankman suggests, the collective West would not have decided one hundred pounds against Russia.
              and as yet another version, I now think that they made a bet on the active position of the Ukrainian population, and for the most part it preferred to wait, survive and coexist with the new government. and additional factors, like dill propaganda, European carrots have finally put an end to.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 8 October 2019 05: 04
    +1
    smile Well, Yegor got involved in an information war by firing his smoke-filled shell.
    This very Gordian knot of Donbass will be cut only by the strongest ... Putin is not Alexander the Great and the USA is not the empire of Genghis Khan ... so in the near historical perspective a precarious balance came from both sides until a force capable of resolving this conflict appeared by force.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 8 October 2019 08: 53
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      so in the near historical perspective a precarious balance came on both sides before the appearance of a force capable of resolving this conflict by force.

      Most likely there will be the same situation as in Cyprus, no war or peace, Turks separately, Greeks separately, but there will be no peace. A lot of blood has been shed.
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 8 October 2019 05: 27
    +6
    Egor, ukroina is a territory without the right to make a decision, the right to vote (in a whisper in the toilet), they seem to have it, but the right to make a decision will never be. What was the Maidan for? To create a new anti-Russian enclave, from the territory of which a military invasion of Russia will begin. The Kremlin cheerfully slept through the very moment when it was necessary to intervene and suppress this project of the United States and NATO by force. The country that was part of Russian lands is now a springboard for the invasion of Russia. But the Kremlin does not want to understand this either, coaxing the "brotherly people ukroiny" by extending the gas contract through the territory of this non-state. ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 8 October 2019 09: 01
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      But the Kremlin does not want to understand this either, appeasing the "brotherly people ukroiny" by extending the gas contract through the territory of this non-state

      You can give gas and oil, you can give glass beads and "fire water", but things will not budge, time is lost, and appetites are growing by leaps and bounds. True, there is a good experience if we recall the history of the struggle between Sasha and the Indians.
  4. avia12005
    avia12005 8 October 2019 05: 30
    +6
    The Minsk agreements are a hook to the right in the jaw of Russia. And the subsequent heavy knockdown. While all the towers of the Kremlin are crazy shaking their heads, the young growth of young Banderaites who sincerely hate Russians and Russia has grown and continues to grow in Ukraine. These are the future vanguard of the invasion and the future occupying forces.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 8 October 2019 06: 07
      +3
      Minsk is not the Gordian knot that Alexander chopped up in one fell swoop, but a noose that is tightening ever tighter ... And Alexander was not found in 2014! And it will end with the suffocation of LDNR, which I am very afraid of!
      1. 210ox
        210ox 8 October 2019 07: 39
        +2
        Vladimir hi That’s what the situation is! The situation may simply be frozen. But this will not lead to an improvement in the situation in LDNR. Example-Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, PMR .. The economic situation there is in an awful state, and in the camp of their enemies it’s vice versa, with a creak the situation is changing for the better. In what ways this happens is a separate conversation.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 8 October 2019 07: 47
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          frozen

          Dima hi Judging by the reaction of the Natsik, Rada, Zelensky, no progress is planned! All these contracts are not worth the paper written on them.
          And the situation will only worsen - there is no withdrawal of troops, but shelling continues.
        2. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 8 October 2019 08: 18
          +8
          You can break spears and argue while sitting in warm apartments near computers until the computer breaks down ... And what do the citizens of the DPR and LPR think! My friend lives in Donbass ... He doesn’t just live ... He writes to me ... - “Strange as it may seem, but I said this back in 2014, that Donetsk will remain in Ukraine, but now it’s kind of wild. And we really fear the lawlessness that may begin. " These are the people who are afraid of the return of Ukraine and we must think about! It is necessary to distribute passports of the Russian Federation faster ... Without bureaucracy and red tape ... The issue can and must be resolved as quickly as possible ... These are Russian people !! Same as you and me ... Love Russia !! Why Chechnya and Dagestan candy made of chocolate and marmalade, and Ours bullet from shit ..?
          1. 210ox
            210ox 8 October 2019 08: 34
            +1
            Yuri, issuing passports cannot solve the problem. People will just leave.
            1. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 8 October 2019 10: 20
              +1
              So a set of actions is needed! First of all, to end the war ... Let them try to shell Russian citizens !!! Then in the Lugansk and Donetsk regions a normal mild climate, apricots, cherries .. This is not Kuzbass with evergreen tomatoes ... Not everyone likes permafrost and northerly winds .. People need help ... And invest in Chechnya and Dagestan who hate us ! Do not feed the wolf ....!
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 8 October 2019 11: 02
                0
                Quote: 30 vis
                А NOT invest in Chechnya and Dagestan, who hate us! Do not feed the wolf ....!
                Still betray in difficult times for Russia ....
              2. Revival
                Revival 12 October 2019 21: 23
                0
                Well now, there many people already have passports and they are being bombarded, and what, is there a reaction?
    2. armata_armata
      armata_armata 8 October 2019 06: 44
      +1
      Minsk accords is a hook to the right in the jaw of Russia

      This is the reluctance of the Russian Federation to solve problems on its border, they froze as they could (well, think of how they shot and shoot) and wait for what will happen next.
  5. samarin1969
    samarin1969 8 October 2019 05: 54
    -2
    "And in the same way, the armed forces of the LPNR will not go anywhere - they will not dissolve in the air, no matter how you theorize" ...
    But this "problem", Yegor, is "being solved". And they decide every day. Already a whole "heavenly corps" ... Who decides is unclear. But from Bednov to "Fiddler", first of all, the militias of the first wave perish.

    There is no "equilibrium" that the author is trying to draw. The demonstrative, for all sides, the shooting of Donbass continues. In the Middle Ages, people were driven “for edification” to executions and executions. Now you don't have to drive. It's enough just to show broken houses, obituaries and children in basements. So that no one imagines himself a "source of power" and a subject of politics.
  6. nikvic46
    nikvic46 8 October 2019 06: 11
    +1
    I’m not a fan of discussing the topic of Ukraine since 2014. It would seem that Zelensky got a large number of votes, and his opponents come out on the square. People say that if you don’t want to help yourself, then no one will help you. What the team is doing now President, says that in the future this country will face big troubles. You can not please everyone. You must have your own convictions.
    1. Den717
      Den717 8 October 2019 12: 09
      0
      Quote: nikvic46
      One must have one's convictions.

      It seems to me that Ukraine is gradually being drawn into the clinch of the Natsiks (Beletsky) and Zelensky. before the new year the situation will worsen and in the end there should be only one winner. Which of the two is hard to say today. It is clear that Beletsky is also supported by a financial group. So a massacre on the Maidan or somewhere else is quite possible in the near future. Most likely before the onset of cold weather. If Ze agrees with Avakov, then his victory over Bandera is possible. So far, both parties have made so many high-profile statements that a retreat from them is like surrender. This condition cannot be long.
  7. Avior
    Avior 8 October 2019 06: 36
    0
    if the powers that be do not share their secret activities and plans with newspapers and bloggers.

    It is more likely that they themselves do not know what to do with all this, so today is one thing, tomorrow is another ......
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 8 October 2019 07: 02
    0
    We are always looking for who benefits!
    If anyone, it will quiet itself down. If a bunch of interested people ... the prospects are sour.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 October 2019 07: 16
    +2
    May Steinmeier Come
    Yes, even Schumacher or Shenderovich! Ukraine did not intend to and will not fulfill the Minsk agreements. And this will continue until a couple more boilers occur and the APU with natsikami will not go into a complete knockout. Only then you should not commit another stupidity - to meet the "fraternal people" and conclude another "truce".
  10. Stas157
    Stas157 8 October 2019 08: 09
    +2
    . And Russia will not go anywhere from the problem of self-proclaimed republics, just as it has not gone anywhere from Transdniestria, Abkhazia and Ossetia.

    Egor, is Dobass really destined for the unenviable fate of gray territories? Did the rebels fight for it?
    1. Avior
      Avior 8 October 2019 08: 42
      +1
      In this mode, Donbass has no chance.
      The basis of the economy of Donbass is industry, but no one will invest in factories in the gray zone.
      Without investment, plants will degrade
  11. EvilLion
    EvilLion 8 October 2019 08: 11
    +1
    For the state, "living out its last days" is not weeks or months, it can be years. In 2013, no one could have imagined what would happen in 2014, and no one knows exactly when the trail will happen. the crisis and the remnants of the Ukrainian SSR will be eliminated with the next agreements on the redistribution of Europe for another 20 years. This may happen in a month, or maybe in 5 years.
  12. Alexander Ra
    Alexander Ra 8 October 2019 08: 42
    0
    Having spent several evenings hunting ... your humble servant discovered ... until either the donkey flies or the paddies die. So what remains to wait
    - discovered the uncertainty of the future.
  13. BAI
    BAI 8 October 2019 08: 54
    +7
    When Poroshenko 89 (eighty nine) once they agreed on the withdrawal of troops from the line of contact and everything was thwarted 89 times. Even a fool's face would have learned from his own mistakes, but not our "politicians". On the other hand, they don't care about the result, they need a process. So everything goes in the old, knurled circle.
  14. Stils
    Stils 8 October 2019 10: 03
    -2
    So far, one thing is clear, Minsk does not solve the problem of Donbass!
    And on the other hand, a bad (relative) world is better than a good war!
    1. Revival
      Revival 12 October 2019 21: 29
      0
      A bad world is chronically killing, nothing is better than a shorter war. Probably..
      1. Stils
        Stils 12 October 2019 22: 18
        -2
        Quote: Revival
        A bad world is chronically killing, nothing is better than a shorter war. Probably..

        I agree with you. But there was not, and never will be, a short war in the Donbass, even if the Russian Federation fits into the conflict with regular units and the VKS. Bandra’s evil is fed from the outside and is too numerous, unfortunately ... I don’t know, by the end it’s worth it, I guess I mean the destruction of evil, but the losses will be huge.
  15. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 8 October 2019 10: 34
    +1
    Quote: Avior
    What is wrong with Korea?

    1953 war in Korea, how many millions died, and where was the UN? And you're talking about how South Korea lives well.
    1. Avior
      Avior 8 October 2019 11: 43
      -2
      The UN troops were in Korea, it seems that you simply do not know. Stop the war.
      UNSC resolution on the dispatch of UN troops to Korea N82 of June 25, 1950.
      Not a single vote against.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 8 October 2019 12: 48
        +1
        Quote: Avior
        Not a single vote against.
        On June 25 in New York, the UN Security Council was convened, on the agenda of which was the Korean issue. The original resolution proposed by the Americans was adopted with nine votes in the absence of "against." The representative of Yugoslavia abstained, and the Soviet ambassador Jacob Malik boycotted the vote, but also what came of it. According to your UN, it prevented war (open liberalism), but in reality the war went on until the 1953 of the year. And the turning point was the death of Stalin on 5 on March 1953, shortly after which the Presidium of the CPSU Central Committee voted to end the war. The atrocities on both sides were more sophisticated than in WWII, the losses of both Korea amounted to about 2,5 million people. UN troops did not behave like peacekeepers, but pursued a policy of destroying the country's industrial potential, a strategy that the US Air Force tested in the war against Germany and Japan. At that time I was already a big boy and lived not far from those places and figured out what, why and why, my opinion does not always coincide with the opinion of the USE.
        1. Avior
          Avior 8 October 2019 13: 25
          -3
          What does the exam have to do with it? Why are you rewriting Wikipedia to me with all its mistakes?
          Original resolution proposed by the Americans

          Was there still a second one?
          You asked about the role of the UN in Korea.
          In Korea, there were UN troops, not peacekeepers, they stopped the war, the situation was returned to pre-war.
          The part of Korea where the UN troops were located is booming.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 8 October 2019 13: 59
            0
            Quote: Avior
            What does the exam have to do with it? Why are you rewriting Wikipedia to me with all its mistakes?

            These blunders I didn’t live on Wikipedia, both my father and my uncle fought there as officers in Korea in Transbaikalia, and my cousin died there, I know more from them than from any textbook.
            1. Avior
              Avior 8 October 2019 14: 11
              -1
              Especially blunders of Wikipedia it makes no sense to quote
              hi
      2. Revival
        Revival 12 October 2019 21: 31
        0
        Yeah, they stopped, especially when you consider who they mainly consisted of and what they were doing, what goals they pursued
  16. Desdecado
    Desdecado 8 October 2019 10: 57
    +3
    Such an opportunity to return Donbass and Novorossia to Russia, as in 2014, is unlikely to present itself. All because of cowardice and selfish interests of the Kremlin elite.
  17. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 8 October 2019 11: 04
    +1
    The media have adapted to the new reality that everyone (well, all those who are interested in the owners of the media) are literate, but more and more stupid. The incessant "information" attack leads to the fact that the value of real information has become vanishingly small. As the author of the article quite rightly noted, there has been a transition from mind and analysis to naked psycho-influence.
    However, a process has already begun, which once led in the USSR to a complete breakdown of power with the people. This process is a total rejection of ALL pro-government propaganda. And since absolutely everyone uses the methods of psychological pressure and fooling, from rulers of the world to sellers of bleach for the ass, rejection is also total. No matter what anyone says, it's all a lie.
    This is precisely the response of the human psyche to an attack of this magnitude. It seems that this can be seen as a victory over all these nasty little people. After all, the atomization of people (when no one believes anyone and everyone is occupied exclusively with themselves) was one of the main goals of all and all kinds of authorities, because atomization allows you to get rid of all kinds of anti-power unions.
    But just how is the medicine different from the poison? The fact that the medicine depresses and kills only what the doctor needs. And poison kills the whole body ...
  18. prior
    prior 8 October 2019 12: 06
    +2
    Until the eggs of Russian politicians become iron, and decisive actions, the world will chew on Minsk snot ....
  19. Seld
    Seld 8 October 2019 12: 21
    0
    To the author: + 100 on a five-point scale!
    I agree.
    I would like to note: real analytics / forecasts are 99% of the kuchakuchakuchakucha figures for different indicators. Boring, boring and incomprehensible. Available only to specialists, in general, from the point of view of both the source of information (for real and reliable information is closed to analytes), and from the point of view of understanding the information received. Combining different indicators into one puzzle, the output part - is available really little. And certainly not for journalists.
    A journalist is NOT an analyst, he was not taught this, he is not taught, he will not be taught. But on the other hand, the journalist has certainly another advantage: with a clever look, a blizzard of revenge and not to answer for words. And for some reason, our analytics have adopted a boorish trick: explain the most complex phenomena in politics, economics, geopolitics "for the people with simple words in simple examples" .... Breeeeeeeeed!
    By the way, a classic mistake .... Dadadadad!
    Everything else in the "analetic proclamations" in the form of letters is slyness and PR of oneself, the analyte.
    However, "if the stars are lit, it means that someone needs it" ...
  20. iouris
    iouris 8 October 2019 13: 48
    0
    Horror without end is impossible. Nothing lasts forever under this stupid moon in this stupid firmament: no matter how much rope you curl, the end will still be. Awful end.
  21. Antares
    Antares 8 October 2019 14: 29
    0
    Review of past analytics, I approve. That is exactly what the media fed their readers. Necessary at that moment.
    Demonstration of the present and analytics of the future, I do not approve.
    As before, fate is decided in connection with the global issues of the participants (gas market, transit, NATO, borders ...) participants with high-profile slogans (Russian world, Russian people, Ukrainian world, Ukrainian territory) are moved away from the process. The slogans to business are irrelevant.
  22. V.I.F.
    V.I.F. 8 October 2019 15: 44
    0
    the powers that be do not share their secret activities and plans with newspapers and bloggers

    Share when they need it. For example, about a conversation between Trump and Zelensky, an insider of a completely informed source was completely leaked to the press.
  23. Radikal
    Radikal 9 October 2019 12: 27
    0
    Because it is impossible to cut the Gordian knot of the Donbass either by signing memoranda and formulas, or by agreements. And there will be eternal Minsk until either the donkey flies or the paddies die. So it remains to wait for the black swan.
    Actually, Moscow ascribed to itself the authorship of the "Minsk Agreements" from the very beginning, but from the author - no gu-gu! lol wassat Why? winked