The fate of the strategic landing

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Strategic landing operations overcame the operation crisis (see Lost opportunities of Ulagaev’s landing).


Convoy of General Fostikov




On the night of August 23 and 23, White began to move along the entire front to the Brynkovskaya-Stepnaya-Novo-Nizhe-Stebliyevskaya line, with the transfer of the main base to Achuev.

The Red Command, not aware of the results of actions flotilla and exaggerating the defeat of the nachdiva-9 group, it assessed the situation differently, giving the troops a defensive group on August 23rd. According to this group, the 26th rifle and the 33rd cavalry brigade (about 1500 sabers, 2 guns) were located on the Popovicheskaya-Medvedovskaya-Dyadkovskaya line with the task of preventing the enemy from breaking through in this section to Krasnodar. The 2nd Don division and the horse group were concentrated in Timoshevskaya - in readiness to inflict a flank strike on the enemy in his attempts to advance west or north of Timoshevskaya. From the horse group to the Rogovskaya line - x. Grechanogo - Popovskaya put forward intelligence units.

Similar events of the parties at the 23 of August led to the fact that on almost the entire front, with the exception of the extreme flanks (Nikolaev, Brynkovskaya), contact was lost and both sides did not have a clear idea of ​​the situation.

In the evening of August 23, the red command, according to the pilots, regarded the situation as a massive withdrawal of the enemy from Novo-Nizhe-Stebliyevskaya and Stepnaya to Primorsko-Akhtarskaya. Having set himself the goal of “preventing the enemy from embarking on ships,” the commander ordered all units to go into decisive pursuit - in the general direction of Primorsko-Akhtarskaya. The Nachdiva-9 group with the equestrian group transferred to him was to pursue the Beisugsky estuary - railway, 2-I Don division - between the railway and the Stepnaya-Primorsko-Akhtarskaya railway, 33-I canton brigade along the railway, 22-I cave brigade - in the direction of Novo-Nikolaevskaya - Stepnaya - Primorsko-Akhtarskaya, the 26-I brigade was concentrated in the army reserve in the Timoshevskaya area.

But White recovered after the first bewilderment, moved the base to Achuyev, reestablishing ties with the Crimea, and, in turn, planned a transition to vigorous action on the 24.

By the morning of 24, white forces were grouped:
a) Babiev’s group (1-I Kuban division, Konstantinovsky school, Alekseevsky regiment, 2 hundreds of Tersky regiment - 2200 sabers, 1550 bayonets, 9 guns) in the area Brynkovskaya - Olginskaya - x. Serbina.
b) Combined infantry, 2 and 4 I of the Kuban divisions - Stepnaya - Novo-Nizhe-Stebliyevskaya - Novo-Nikolaevskaya.

In the morning of August 24, Ulagai assumed, holding back the red units on the Stepnaya-Novo-Nikolaevskaya line, Babiev’s group would defeat the Red’s right flank, leaving the cavalry to their rear. Thus, the red units did not meet the departing enemy - but the enemy, who was preparing for the oncoming offensive.

The liquidation of the landing was delayed.

Actions of the Cherepov detachment


Events developed in the area of ​​Novorossiysk.

The detachment of General Cherepov between 1 - 4 on the 14 hours of August fired on ships from the area of ​​the 66 brigade - near Blagoveshchenskaya and Anapa. And then he went to sea. On August 17, ships of the detachment appeared in the area of ​​the estate of Prince. Lobanov-Rostovsky (20 - 25 km west of Novorossiysk), not guarded by red units, and unhindered landed. On the 18 of August, the detachment began active operations, planning to exit to Raevskaya and subsequently to Bakanskaya to cut off Novorossiysk from Krasnodar and connect with the white-green ones operating here. To liquidate the detachment from Anapa, an assault detachment No. 5 (about 250 bayonets, 3 machine guns) was thrown red, and the 64th brigade (190th and 191th regiments) was advanced from Novorossiysk. The latter, covering part of Raevskaya’s forces, delivered the main blow from the estate of Abrau-Durso. On the 19 of August, white, taking advantage of the fragmented actions of the red units, forced them out and occupied the settlement. Sukko in the West and Hut. Litvinov in the north.

On the 20 of August, the red units, taking the enemy in a half-ring, began to push them to the sea. After stubborn battles of 21 - 23 of August, Cherepov’s detachment was forced to hastily board ships and go to sea on the night of August 24, losing up to 50% of the crew.

The task was impossible for him.

The actions of the main forces of 24 - 29 of August


Of particular importance were the battles in the area of ​​the main landing forces 24 - 29 of August.

The nachdiva-9 group, having advanced on the 23 of August on the Brynkovskaya-Hut line. Butenko, a farm east of Olginskaya, launched an offensive in the morning of August 24: the Ural brigade in the village. Voluntary and 27-th brigade on Olginskaya. The enemy, having restrained the offensive in both sections, cavalry force up to 1500 saber fell from the west to the parts of the Ural brigade and, dropping them with heavy losses to Privolnaya, began to move towards Konivskaya - but was detained by the brigade of the 2-th Don division. The remaining two brigades of this division concentrated in the area of ​​Novo-Dzherelievskaya and northwest, having managed in one regiment, the 14 and Taman cavalry brigades to capture the crossing across the marshy strip at Stepnaya and Chury. On the southern section, the 22-I cavalry brigade occupied the Lebedinsky farm on that day in 7 - 8 km east of Novo-Nizhe-Stebliyevskaya. 33-I cavalry brigade approached Olginskaya late at night.

The fighting on August 24, despite the success, worsened the position of whites. The forces of Ulagai were divided into two parts by the Stepnaya swamps: Babiev’s group in the north, the remaining forces in the south — on the Stepnaya – Novo-Lower-Stebliyevskaya section. The approximate balance of forces in both sections was as follows: red - 15512 bayonets, 3745 sabers, 294 machine guns, 67 guns; white - 4050 bayonets, 4250 saber, 253 machine gun, 16 guns.

The Reds had the opportunity to inflict a decisive defeat on Babiev’s group, but did not, as they evaluated the situation differently from what it was in reality. Considering that the enemy would continue to withdraw to Primorsko-Akhtarskaya, the group of nachdiva-9 attacked the 25th brigade of the 1-th Don division Brynkovskaya with the dawn of the 2-th August and continued to attack the Hut with one regiment. Minin. The remaining regiments lingered in Brynkovskaya.

The 33-I cavalry and 27-I rifle brigades attacked Holguinsky from the east for about 10 hours. After occupying it for about 12 hours, the 27-I brigade and one regiment of the 33-I cavalry brigade remained in it, and the 2 of the remaining cavalry regiments moved to Brynkovskaya - where they made contact with the 1-I brigade of the Don division.

While fighting with Babiev’s screenings was going on, his main forces, having tied the right flank of the 2th Don Division with a detachment attack to the 700 sabers, attacked the left flank of this division near Chury and Stepnoy around noon. Pressing the Reds to the east, they took control of the crossings through the swamps and went south to join the rest of the Ulagai divisions. By the evening, the 33-I cavalry brigade and regiment of the 2-I Don division occupied Primorsko-Akhtarskaya, seizing warehouses there - but not finding enemy units. In the southern section, the 22-I cavalry brigade was discarded first to Novo-Nikolaevskaya, and then to Staro-Dzherelievskaya. The whole group of Ulagai was concentrated in the Stepnaya - Novo-Lower-Stebliyevskaya - Novo-Nikolaevskaya area.


Fighting 24 - 26 August


26 - 27 On August, the red units, having only one crossing at Rogovskaya, regrouped their forces south of the marshes at Stepnaya - Rogovskaya. By the end of the day of August 27, they had unfolded: the Nachdiva-9 group — on the Primorsko-Akhtarskaya – Stepnaya section (with the task of eliminating the enemy’s remnants in this area), the 2-I Don division - Stepnaya, x. Shcherbiny; 26-I brigade - south and southeast of Novo-Nikolaevskaya; 22-I cavbrigade - Staro-Dzherelievskaya; 1-th Caucasian Cavalry Division - between the 2-th Don Division and the 26-th Brigade; 33-I cavalry brigade (army reserve) - Popovic. At 1 hour of 28 of August, the 26th Infantry Brigade attacked with two regiments of Art. Novo-Nikolaevskaya and knocked out the enemy from there. Continuing the pursuit, at dawn the brigade entered 3 - 4 km northwest and west of Novo-Nikolaevskaya, but was attacked and surrounded by Babiev’s cavalry, which rejected the 1 Caucasian Cavalry Division. With a stubborn battle, having lost 10 - 15% of the composition, the brigade retreated to Novo-Nikolaevskaya. The introduction of the reserve regiment of the brigade, which hit the flank of the erupted white cavalry from the east, and the transition to the offensive of the 2th Don Division to the 8 watch, drove the success of military operations to the side of the red troops.

In the afternoon, whites, holding back the 26th brigade and the 2th Don division, tried to attack the left flank of the nachdiva-9 group through the crossings at Stepnaya and Chury, but were repelled.

By the evening of the 28-th August, units of the 26-th brigade almost came close to the outskirts of the station. Novo-Nizhe-Stebliyevskaya, and the 2-I Don division entered the line of the river. Deep. By 22 hours, the 26-th brigade, with the support of the 1-th Caucasian Cavalry Division and the 33-th Brigade, occupied the eastern outskirts of Novo-Nizhe-Stebliyevskaya. But at about 23 hours, White’s counterattack was knocked out and spent the rest of the night on nearby villages.

Raid Kovtyukh and the detachment of General Kharlamov


At the same time, one of the most interesting episodes of the Civil War broke out - the river raid of the Kovtyukh detachment. The last of the 1050 bayonets, 150 sabers, 15 machine guns and 4 guns was put forward on August 26 from Krasnodar - with the task of getting into the ships on pp. Kuban and Protok and with an unexpected blow to defeat the headquarters and rear of the enemy in Novo-Lower-Steblievskaya. Around 4 hours on the 28 of August, a detachment landed unhindered at Novo-Nizhe-Stebliyevskaya, and around 6 hours it attacked the latter. By noon, the detachment occupied the center and the southeastern part of the village - but it was knocked out by the enemy reserves that approached and moved to 3 - 4 km to the south. The enemy, pushing the Kovtyukh detachment and holding back the advancing red units from the east, proceeded to the rapid evacuation of Novo-Nizhe-Stebliyevskaya and to the sea. And by night in Novo-Nizhe-Steblievskaya there were only enemy barriers: southern against Kovtyukh, eastern, stronger, against the 26th brigade. The eastern one in 23 hours knocked out parts of the latter, but, in turn, when leaving, was hit by a detachment of Kovtyukh, who shot down the southern screen near 24 hours, and retreated west. Kovtyukh’s detachment occupied the village, not paying enough attention to the pursuit of the enemy. In the morning he plunged onto the steamboats and went to Slavyanskaya.

The enemy’s withdrawal into impassable floodplains made it difficult to pursue.

After the Ulagay group left for Timoshevskaya, the 65 team, fearing the enemy would appear on their rear, cleared the Taman Peninsula and located east of the mouth of the Kuban, having the 194 regiment and a squad of sailors with one light and one heavy battery near the mountains. Temryuk, and the 195th regiment with a battery is at Dzhiginskoye. This allowed the enemy on the night of August 24 to land a detachment of General Kharlamov in the vicinity of Art. Taman - and unhindered. 24 - On 25 on August, the enemy, moving along the peninsula, entered the Vyshesteblievskaya line, where he came into contact with the 195 regiment (about 600 bayonets, 4 guns).

On the morning of August 26, the 195 Regiment, fearing to bypass the left flank, left Staro-Tatarovskaya and moved to heights in 3 - 4 km east.

On the 27 of August, the white forces of about 1000 bayonets launched an attack on the heights occupied by the 195 regiment. The latter, amplified by the shock detachment No. 5 (about 200 bayonets), successfully repelled all enemy attacks. 28 - On 29 on August, the white, continuing the offensive, pushed the red pieces to the height of 378. To support them, a battalion of the 192 regiment (near 200 bayonets) was put forward, taking a position north of the height of 378. To strengthen the units operating against the Taman assault, the commander transferred the 22 group of cavalry brigade (1 and 2 cavalry regiments, 192, 198 and 2 rifle regiments), and somewhat later the 33 I cavalry brigade and 1 I Caucasian cavalry division.

Having made the necessary regroupings on 30 - 31 on August, the enemy launched an offensive on high from the morning of September 1. 378 from Staro-Tatarovskaya and Vyshesteblievskaya. By noon, having knocked down the 195 regiment, he had mastered this height. The battalion of the 192 regiment and the shock detachment No. 5 held their positions to the north and south of this height. The enemy’s front formed an arc. In the afternoon the red units, having strengthened on the right flank with two battalions of the 192 regiment (about 400 bayonets), on the left 198 and 2 rifle regiments, went over to a decisive counterattack and took control of the height. 378, having destroyed almost completely the 42-th Don Don Regiment of the Whites. Developing success, on the shoulders of the enemy the Reds broke into Staro-Tatarovskaya, and later in the evening captured Vyshestebliyevskaya. The 33-I and 22-I cavalry brigades were thrown into the pursuit of the enemy. 33-I at the dawn of 2-th September seized a swift blow Art. Tamanskaya, chopping down to 300 people and capturing an armored car, 2 guns, 8 machine guns and 650 prisoners. The remnants of the enemy fled to Kerch. The 22-I brigade, having occupied the Sennaya area, cut off the withdrawal to the Taman units of the enemy, located in the northern part of the peninsula. On the 2 of September, the brigade partially destroyed them, and partially scattered them in small groups along the coastal plains, capturing 2 serviceable guns, several machine guns and more than 300 prisoners.

The landing party of General Kharlamov was destroyed by 75% and lost all the technical part.

The actions of the main forces at the final stage of the operation


Actively developed events in the main direction.

After the occupation of Novo-Nizhe-Stebliyevskaya, the Red Command initially assumed that the main forces of Ulagai would not retreat to Achuyev, but would make their way to the south, to join the Taman landing. Therefore, his main focus was not on organizing the persecution, but on blocking the path to the south. By order of the 9 Army 015 / op. from August 29, the Nachdiva-9 group, reinforced by the 26 rifle brigade, was instructed to eliminate the enemy’s remnants in a vast area - from Primorsko-Akhtarskaya to Slavyanskaya. The latter, in turn, posed the same task to the 26th brigade in the area of ​​Novo-Nizhe-Stebliyevskaya, Staro-Dzherelievskaya, Slavyanskaya, Petrovskaya, pos. Black Sea.

The arrived brigade of Moscow cadets with the 7 division attached was advancing to the Kurchanskaya area with the task of preventing the enemy from seeping into the connection with the Taman landing. The equestrian group was concentrated in Slavic. The 2-I Don division and the Ural brigade were withdrawn to the army reserve.

Only on 31 of August did the red command correctly clarify the situation and throw the Ulagay group into belated pursuit in the following directions: a) Novo-Nizhe-Stebliyevskaya - Achuev, b) Novo-Nizhe-Stebliyevskaya - x. Smartly - Gear. Melnikovskoye 26 Brigade with the Taman Cavalry Brigade and the Don Cavalry Regiment. The persecution in the direction of the village. Black Sea - Achuev is entrusted to the Kovtyukh detachment, which was strengthened in the Slavic 2th Taman rifle brigade (total 3000 bayonets, 500 sabers). However, in both directions, the Soviet units are met by positions well prepared for defense — moreover, in narrow defile between floodplains and lakes. Knocking down the enemy’s barriers with stubborn attacks, the 26th brigade and Kovtyukh’s detachment reach Achuyev only on the 7 of September and occupy him - in full view of the departing white flotilla.

These events end the struggle with the landing forces of the Russian army in the Kuban, which dragged on for three whole weeks and diverted significant forces from other fronts. The specific gravity of this operation in the summer campaign of the Red Army of 1920 is seen from the following figures.

If during the indicated period, on the Western front, the 40000 Reds are opposed by the 70000 fighters of the enemy, and on the Southern Front the 45000 Reds are opposed by the 22300 White, then the situation is completely different in the Kuban: 51991 against the 16545 (counting Fostikov’s with the Russian Renaissance Army), respectively. In the latter case, the 2 / 3 of the red group was removed from the front reserves and reserves of the High Command.


Fighting 28 August - 7 September


The landing ended in the failure of the whites.

P.N. in diverging directions.

On the other hand, the Ulagai Group left the Kuban not broken, but even in a slightly larger quantitative composition (at the expense of prisoners of war, volunteers, mobilized, etc.) than it came. The reason for this was the mistakes made by the Red Command - actions with splayed fingers instead of punching, and, mostly, in the forehead instead of actions on the rear and on the flanks. But the outlines of the landing front represented relatively great opportunities.
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  1. -5
    12 October 2019 06: 15
    Thank you for the objective presentation of the struggle of Russia against usurpers ...

    squad river raid Kovtyuha

    Kovtyukh Epifan, comcor: HCVS of the USSR recognized him conspirator, spy and terrorist. July 29, 1938 sentenced to death. The sentence was executed on the same day.
    1. -3
      12 October 2019 21: 23
      Quote: Olgovich
      Kovtyukh Epifan, Komcor: The USSR Supreme Council of Air Forces recognized him as a conspirator, spy and terrorist. July 29, 1938 sentenced to death. The sentence was executed on the same day.

      Do not just feed you bread - let me write about the repressions, it looks like an illness.

      There is nothing unusual in repressions, they were, are and will be classes so far, and therefore the class struggle. At the end of the 30s it escalated, in the USSR a conspiracy of the military against the Soviet leadership was revealed. Now we cannot say for sure: either Kovtyukh was drawn into him, or fell a victim of slander. The time will come and a special commission of historians and lawyers will figure it out.
      1. -1
        13 October 2019 07: 53
        Quote: Alexander Green
        Do not just feed you bread - let me write about the repressions, it looks like an illness.

        What nonsense is this?

        Kovtyuh-CHARACTER articles. And then about whom to speak in the comments? belay Indicate about whom / about whatcan write about whom no Yes You do not have to pretend?

        Yes, and aren't you and other people interested in knowing his fate?

        And the fact that most of the Bolshevik leading characters ended the same way, so I didn’t shoot them. Is the disease the same fate? Yeah....
        Quote: Alexander Green
        There is nothing unusual in repressions, they were, are and will be classes so far, and therefore the class struggle. At the end of the 30s it escalated, in the USSR a conspiracy of the military against the Soviet leadership was revealed. Now we cannot say for sure: either Kovtyukh was drawn into him, or fell a victim of slander. The time will come and a special commission of historians and lawyers will figure it out.

        Learn what the word means. LAW. Which the един FOR ALL,
        1. -1
          13 October 2019 11: 53
          Quote: Olgovich
          Learn what the word LAW means. Which is one for all

          Do you even understand this yourself? Laws are established by the state, and each state has laws providing for punishment (repression) against those who oppose the state, be it slave, feudal, bourgeois or socialist. So it was and will be while the state exists.

          Quote: Olgovich
          Yes, and aren't you and other people interested in knowing his fate?

          Probably interesting, but I noticed that at the same time you are very painfully gloating, and this destroys health.
          1. -1
            13 October 2019 12: 40
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Do you even understand this yourself? Laws are established by the state, and each state has laws providing for punishment (repression) against those who oppose the state, be it slave, feudal, bourgeois or socialist. So it was and will be while the state exists.

            In the USSR, the 30 LAWS were grossly violated. This is established by the USSR itself at the LEGISLATIVE level. Those. The law was
            not one and not for everyone.
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Probably interesting, but I noticed that you’re very gloating painfully, and it destroys health.

            No, this is a painful perception by some individuals of dry encyclopedic information:
            Kovtyukh Epifan, Komcor: The USSR Supreme Council of Air Forces recognized him as a conspirator, spy and terrorist. July 29, 1938 sentenced to death. The sentence was executed on the same day.

            What does not suit you? What is a traitor comcor? What was shot on the same day?

            Tell us, by the way, HOW to file it for you to digest. Yes
            1. -1
              13 October 2019 13: 16
              Quote: Olgovich
              In the USSR, the 30 LAWS were grossly violated. This is established by the USSR itself at the LEGISLATIVE level. Those. The law was
              not one and not for everyone.

              Nothing criminal, even Kazannik, the one who once saved Yeltsin, and he noted that when he worked with the archives on repressions, he saw that the laws were strictly enforced at that time, just the laws were harsh. But no other way.

              Quote: Olgovich
              Tell us, by the way, HOW to file it for you to digest.

              Do not worry about me, I digested all this, even when they were just rehabilitated and the first publications appeared. And about the traitor Kovtyuk, or not, I already wrote to you - we'll figure it out.
              1. -1
                14 October 2019 06: 37
                Quote: Alexander Green
                Nothing criminal, even Kazannik, the one who once saved Yeltsin, and he noted that when he worked with the archives on repressions, he saw that the laws were strictly enforced at that time, just the laws were harsh. But no other way.

                In Russian on the so-called. "Ukraine" - have forgotten how to understand?

                STATE OF THE USSR SAMO condemned and recognized the illegality of what was happening:
                Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR "On Additional Measures to Restore Justice in Relation to Victims of Repressions in the Periods of the 30s and 40s and the Beginning of the 50s"


                January 16, 1989

                In order to restore social justice and eliminate the consequences of lawlessness that took place during the 30-40-s and the beginning of the 50-s, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR decides:

                1. Condemn Extrajudicial Mass Repression the period of Stalinism, to recognize as unconstitutional the "troika" of the NKVD — UNKVD, colleges of the OGPU and the "special meetings" of the NKVD — MGB — the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR and reverse their extrajudicial decisions

                And spit on the fact that someone got into his head ..
                Quote: Alexander Green
                . And about the traitor Kovtyuk, or not, I already wrote to you - we'll figure it out.

                Traitor, of course, since 1917
                1. 0
                  14 October 2019 10: 55
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  In Russian on the so-called. "Ukraine" - have forgotten how to understand?

                  Do you not believe Kazannik? He was at one time Minister of Justice of the Russian Federation.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  THE STATE OF THE USSR SAMO condemned and recognized the illegality of what was happening:

                  By 1989, this was no longer a workers' state; either power elements or former elements dominated in the power structures, you never know what they recognized. I repeat once again for you: since everything is not clear with the rehabilitation of enemies of the people, because rehabilitated indiscriminately., the time will come and the working class will sort it out.
                  1. -1
                    14 October 2019 11: 34
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Do you not believe Kazannik? He was at one time Minister of Justice of the Russian Federation.

                    AND? STATE has spoken. ALL.
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    By 1989, this was no longer a workers' state; either power elements or former elements dominated in the power structures, you never know what they recognized. I repeat once again for you: since everything is not clear with the rehabilitation of enemies of the people, because rehabilitated indiscriminately., the time will come and the working class will sort it out.

                    I repeat ONCE AGAIN: do not care about the delusional thoughts of some about some kind of "workers" states.
                    It was and is a single state of ALL EQUAL citizens: read the Constitution of the USSR and the Russian Federation.
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    I repeat once again for you: since everything is not clear with the rehabilitation of enemies of the people, because rehabilitated by indiscriminate., the time will come and the working class will sort it out

                    Do not tell me my slippers: WHAT have you fulfilled from the promised for decades? NOTHING.
                    And now, in general, in the deep lol .
                    1. 0
                      14 October 2019 21: 23
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      And now, in general, in the deep .....

                      And what, there was no corresponding emoticon, so you instead ... put your face?

                      And finally understand that nothing depends on you, there are objective processes of development of social consciousness, the working class is gradually turning "from a class in itself into a class for itself," I hope you remember from history how it ends ...
                      1. -2
                        15 October 2019 06: 47
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        And what, there was no corresponding emoticon, so you instead ... put your face?

                        The emoticon is provided by the site’s tools, very expressive tools, I must admit: how you are sausage ...
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        And learn at last that nothing depends on you, go objective development processes

                        Yes, and these processes objectively dared you, like dust.
                      2. 0
                        15 October 2019 22: 30
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        The emoticon is provided by the site’s tools, very expressive tools, I must admit: how you are sausage ...

                        Yes, no, I sympathized with you that you and ..... and your face are one and the same place.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Yes, and these processes objectively dared you, like dust.

                        Your turn is ahead, and we will not repeat mistakes.
                      3. -2
                        16 October 2019 09: 07
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Yes, no, I sympathized with you that you and ..... and your face are one and the same place.

                        Write in Russian, otherwise nothing is clear (this is not the so-called "Ukraine")request
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Your turn is ahead, and we we will not repeat mistakes.

                        Against the broom History you are powerless. And gloriously. Yes
                      4. -1
                        16 October 2019 18: 59
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Write in Russian, otherwise nothing is clear (this is not the so-called "Ukraine")

                        This is you about my comment: "... what do you have and ... and your face is one and the same place" ? . So I was trying to learn from you ..
                      5. -2
                        17 October 2019 09: 31
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        ... what do you have and ... and your face is one and the same place "?. So I tried to learn from you ..

                        This is NOT written in Russian: what is "and ... and ..."? What's wrong with you? belay lol
                      6. 0
                        17 October 2019 18: 34
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        This is NOT written in Russian: what is "and ... and ..."? What's wrong with you?

                        May I write this to you in a personal message? And then they will give me another warning and banned.
                      7. 0
                        18 October 2019 08: 27
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        May I write this to you in a personal message? And then they will give me another warning and banned.

                        You can not.
                      8. 0
                        18 October 2019 18: 52
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        You can not.

                        Well then, do not bother with questions.
                      9. -1
                        19 October 2019 08: 23
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Well then don't pester with questions.

                        I suggest you write in RUSSIAN. All.
                      10. 0
                        19 October 2019 13: 25
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        I suggest you write in RUSSIAN. All.

                        I would have written to you in PM just in Russian. This is forbidden on the forum.
                      11. 0
                        19 October 2019 13: 48
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        I would have written to you in PM just in Russian. This is forbidden on the forum

                        And can I write this, then it is possible?
                        The rules of decency -You must comply. Remember this.
                      12. 0
                        19 October 2019 20: 42
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And can I write this, then it is possible?

                        I don’t know, try it.
                      13. 0
                        20 October 2019 07: 23
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Don't know try

                        I'm asking you.
                      14. 0
                        20 October 2019 10: 47
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Don't know try

                        I'm asking you.

                        I answer: try it.
            2. 0
              13 October 2019 23: 10
              and beautifully whitewashed by tryndyuley from ours. !!!!
  2. +4
    12 October 2019 09: 26
    We see what the strategic importance of the Ulagaev’s landing turned out to be.
    Firstly, during the difficult period for the Crimean front, he fettered a large red force. Both in real terms and in proportion.
    If during the indicated period on the Western Front, 40000 Reds are opposed by 70000 enemy fighters, and on the Southern Front, 45000 Reds are opposed by 22300 White, then the ratio is completely different in the Kuban: 51991 versus 16545 (counting Fostikov’s “Russian Renaissance Army”), respectively.

    That is, pulled over 3,5 times larger red forces.
    Secondly, the Reds spent large reserves to fight the landing
    2/3 of the red group was recovered from the front reserves and reserves of the High Command.

    Thirdly, the landing acted as a whole successfully and left undefeated. So they could not do anything with him - with the multiple superiority of the Reds in power
    The Ulagai group left the Kuban not broken, but even in a slightly larger quantitative composition (at the expense of prisoners of war, volunteers, mobilized, etc.) than it had come. The reason for this was the mistakes made by the Red Command - actions with splayed fingers instead of punching, and, mostly, in the forehead instead of actions on the rear and on the flanks. But the outlines of the landing front represented relatively great opportunities.

    Unfortunately miscalculations
    P.N. in diverging directions.
    not allowed to achieve the desired.
    But large landings quite rarely at that time were generally successful.
    But, as they say - nonetheless
    1. +5
      12 October 2019 11: 09
      And you must agree, to a great extent, the merit in the successful operations of the landing belongs to his command
  3. +7
    12 October 2019 11: 09
    Thanks for the interesting cycle!
    1. +10
      12 October 2019 17: 58
      Thanks for the interesting cycle!

      Join hi
  4. +2
    12 October 2019 12: 15
    Our singers of the white idea wrote Ulaya in invincible heroes, and he is just an accomplice to the interventionists. At that time, heavy battles were taking place on the Polish front, and Ulagai landed an assault — a blow to the back of Soviet Russia. Thus, he helped Poland to avoid defeat, because the Soviet command had to suspend the transfer of troops to the Polish front.

    The landing did not fulfill the task, it was destroyed by units of the Red Army. Along with the defeat of the landing, Wrangel's hopes for expanding the base of the counter-revolution in southern Russia were destroyed. After that, Wrangel dismissed Ulagai from the army completely. Our "hero" emigrated and in 1939-1945. together with Krasnov he actively collaborated with the Nazis.

    That's the whole story about the "hero".
    1. +3
      12 October 2019 12: 58
      Thank you, they removed it from the language, I wanted to write about it myself. I would not be surprised if someone now begins to glorify the role of Vlasov in the Great Patriotic War, such times ...
      1. -4
        12 October 2019 14: 06
        And you kulaksky sang along with AlexGa, taking something from men from languages))), I want to remind you that Vlasov is the creature of Comrade Stalin and the extortioner of Soviet power.
        However, the red heroes of the civil war in the bulk turned out to be enemies of the people and spies.
        Commendable!)))
        1. +2
          13 October 2019 18: 47
          So the "white heroes" were noted ... In the service of the Nazis .. I do not say "commendable" .. UGLY TRAITORS!
          1. 0
            14 October 2019 06: 47
            Quote: 210ox
            So the "white heroes" were noted ... In the service of the fascists

            So the citizens of the USSR, an order of magnitude more. And yes:
            Quote: 210ox
            Nasty traitors!
        2. -1
          13 October 2019 23: 15
          And who told you this heresy is about creature and other things. By the way. I advise once again. Attentively. To deal with the concept of creature.
    2. +1
      12 October 2019 14: 03
      Again we hear the ringing but don’t know where it is
      Ideologists such as Green came running, but only poor people have zero knowledge. But boltolgiya on the cap of the cap)))
      It was highly evaluated in Soviet military-historical science. And no wonder - indeed, he fettered the pain of the tires of the power of the Reds and calmly left. No one defeated him. He also took all who wanted to leave.
      So he was defeated)))
      Don't lie to Green again.
      1. +3
        12 October 2019 14: 32
        Quote: Hunghouse
        ... really, fettered the pain of tire strength red

        And I write about it. Forged the great forces of the Reds and helped Poland to avoid defeat.
        Quote: Hunghouse
        ... and calmly left.

        And I also write: "Our" hero "emigrated and in 1939-1945 together with Krasnov actively collaborated with the Nazis"
        I don’t understand why you didn’t like my comment ?.
        1. +3
          12 October 2019 17: 26
          No, you do not write about that.
          You wrote. I quote:
          was crushed by parts of the Red Army

          Which is not true.
          Poland did not care about the landing. He acted in the interests of the Russian army. September is a turning point for her.
          Yes, the amphibious assault did not fulfill the main strategic task - the Kuban was not raised, it was not possible to gain a foothold in the bridgehead.
          But he managed, in a number of battles inflicting defeat on the Reds, to pull back their large forces, and safely left.
          What's wrong?
          As for cooperation with the Germans - a lie. Your favorite Wikipedia source writes about the post-war path of a talented general:
          After the Red Army broke through Perekop in November 1920, General Ulagai was evacuated from the Crimea to Turkey, and then to France, where he settled in Marseille.
          There he created the Cossack circus troupe of horseback riders, with whom he toured Europe and America, and thereby earned a living.
          General S. G. Ulagai died on April 29, 1944 in Marseilles, where he was buried (newspaper "Cossack Lava", No. 10, 15.06.1944/22/1949). January 62, XNUMX his ashes, after the funeral of his father Boris (Stark), was reburied in the cemetery of Sainte-Genevieve-des-Bois. On his grave is written "Eternal Glory to the Russian Warrior." According to some historians who confused him - the Orthodox of Shapsugs - with a person born in the house, which in Krasnodar is mistakenly considered the house of General Ulagai, a Natukha Muslim Colonel K. K. Ulagay [source not specified XNUMX days], he collaborated with the Germans. Others, just as confused, claim that he not only collaborated with the Germans, but did on the instructions of the “Maki” - the French partisan resistance movement. But, in fact, S. G. Ulagai did not cooperate with the Germans.

          In any case, 2-3 former white generals who collaborated with the Germans in the Second World War (many tens and hundreds who behaved with dignity) accounted for a much larger number of representatives of the Red Army's top command staff who collaborated with the Germans. Despite the fact that the latter (unlike the former) were citizens of the USSR, they were fed and raised by him
          1. 0
            12 October 2019 21: 00
            Quote: Albatroz
            But he managed, in a number of battles inflicting defeat on the Reds, to pull back their large forces, and safely left.
            What's wrong?

            It's like that. You justify the crimes by settling against Soviet Russia, which pulled over the large red forces necessary at that time on the Polish front and, having done his dirty deed, left.

            Quote: Albatroz
            In any case, 2-3 former white generals who collaborated with the Germans in the Great Patriotic War (many tens and hundreds who behaved with dignity) accounted for a much larger number of representatives of the highest command staff of the Red Army who collaborated with the Germans

            There were, but we, of them, unlike you, do not make heroes.

            Quote: Albatroz
            As for cooperation with the Germans - a lie. Your favorite Wikipedia source writes about the post-war path of a talented general:

            No, this is your favorite source, I use sources released in the Soviet era. Modern sources are unreliable. Some historians claim that General Sergey Ulagay collaborated with the Germans during the Great Patriotic War. Others that he did this on the instructions of the French resistance. Third, that he did not cooperate at all.
            Check today it is not possible.

            Therefore, I believe in Soviet sources more.
            For example, about Ulagaev’s landing they write:

            “On the night of August 22-23, the landing was destroyed west of Novorossiysk. On the same day, the Soviet Azov flotilla approached the Primorsko-Akhtarskaya flank, fired at the enemy’s base and cut off his path to the Crimea. This forced Ulagai to leave a lot of property here and move the base to Achuyevo. Soviet troops were thrown to the rear of Ulagai, his main forces were defeated and he began to withdraw. On September 2, Soviet troops liquidated the enemy’s landing on the Taman Peninsula, and on September 7 the entire coast was cleared, the remnants of the Ulagaev’s landing went to Crimea
            1. +5
              12 October 2019 21: 41
              You justify the crimes of Ulag against Soviet Russia,

              And he didn’t do any crimes. Was an honest general
              There were, but we, of them, unlike you, do not make heroes.

              And I do not make heroes of them))
              I use sources released in the Soviet era. Modern sources are unreliable.

              That's it. And me too. And they highly appreciate Ulagaev’s landing.
              Therefore, I believe in Soviet sources more.
              For example, about Ulagaev’s landing they write:
              “On the night of August 22-23, the landing was destroyed west of Novorossiysk. On the same day, the Soviet Azov flotilla approached the Primorsko-Akhtarskaya flank, fired at the enemy’s base and cut off his path to the Crimea. This forced Ulagai to leave a lot of property here and move the base to Achuyevo. Soviet troops were thrown to the rear of Ulagai, his main forces were defeated and he began to withdraw. On September 2, Soviet troops liquidated the enemy’s landing on the Taman Peninsula, and on September 7 the entire coast was cleared, the remnants of the Ulagaev’s landing went to Crimea

              I also believe them more and see that you do not know what you are doing)))
              On August 23, the Ulagaev’s landing could not be defeated in any way, for it successfully acted. It's about the Cherepov’s squad or what?))
              Soviet troops were thrown to the rear of Ulagai

              Probably Kovtyukh?))
              and on September 7 the entire coast was cleared, the remnants of the Ulagaev’s landing went to Crimea

              namely, they left and no one destroyed them. True, the remnants (minus combat losses) - this is the entire landing party + prisoners + a lot of people)))
              That is, you confirm the Old and the article (by the way, as I understand it, based on Soviet military sources), and my comments)))
              1. -4
                12 October 2019 23: 14
                Quote: Albatroz
                And he didn’t do any crimes. Was an honest general

                Unfortunately, your honest general, together with Wrangel, contributed to the victory of the Polish interventionists by striking in the back of Soviet Russia ..

                Quote: Albatroz
                That is, you confirm the Old and the article (by the way, as I understand it, based on Soviet military sources), and my comments

                No, I don’t confirm anything, because I don’t share your admiration for the Ulagaev’s landing.

                The landing force under the general command of Ulagai. consisted of three groups - generals Cherepov, Kharlamov and Ulagai himself, plus the so-called army of the reborn Russia of General Fostikov, plus white and green gangs,

                Soviet troops defeated this landing, not allowing him to complete the task. I don’t have time to look for loss figures, but I can give one. For example, the landing of Cherepov (1500 active bayonets, 2 guns, 15 machine guns), during a clash with units of the 22nd Rifle Division, lost half of the entire composition, and gangs that suffered heavy losses. The remains were evacuated to the Crimea. I think that the rest of the airborne groupings suffered considerable losses, otherwise they would not have been evacuated hastily back to the Crimea.

                So, you want to consider it a victory, you want not. I already said everything.
                1. +6
                  13 October 2019 09: 14
                  your honest general, together with Wrangel, contributed to the victory of the Polish interventionists by striking in the back of Soviet Russia

                  my honest general was doing his duty.
                  Hitting in the back of Soviet Russia)) He acted on his front.
                  In the same way, it can be said that the Poles contributed to Wrangel by striking in the back of Soviet Russia))
                  In fact - they could not stand each other, Wrangel, fighting for a single and indivisible Russia and the Polish separatists.
                  This help was expressed in the fact that the mythical 9th ​​division was not transferred to the Polish front?
                  Do not tell, kindergarten of the senior group))
                  Soviet troops defeated this landing

                  Open Soviet military literature and see what is written there))
                  The landing party left - and calmly. He is defeated only in your fantasies, and left more than came that’s what it says.
                  I think that the other landing groups suffered no less losses.

                  You just have to think if you don’t know
                  1. -1
                    13 October 2019 12: 22
                    Quote: Albatroz
                    In the same way, it can be said that the Poles contributed to Wrangel by striking in the back of Soviet Russia))

                    So it is, the working people made a revolution, established their own state, and, having lost its privileges and private property, the bourgeoisie unleashed the counter-revolution and the interventionists, including Poland, helped it. So no matter how Wrangel and the Poles quarreled, and their goal was the same - to destroy Soviet power.

                    Quote: Albatroz
                    didn’t transfer the mythical 9th ​​division?

                    Well, why are you so narrow-minded, you can’t understand the elementary. I already wrote that everything in the world is interconnected. Soviet Russia is waging a war at the moment with the interventionist, and here against it on the other hand there is a new offensive on a new front. This is a diversion of forces - both human resources, and weapons, and ammunition, and rail transportation, but what can I say - this is a huge strain for a young state ravaged by a six-year war.

                    And where did you get the idea that this division is mythical? It was formed on May 3, 1918, at one time it even entered the First Horse Army. In August 1920, she fought against the Ulagaevsky landing in the 9th army.

                    Quote: Albatroz
                    You just have to think if you don’t know

                    Dear expert, take care of your education better. study dialectics first.
                    1. +3
                      13 October 2019 12: 32
                      So it is, the working people made a revolution, established their own state, and, having lost its privileges and private property, the bourgeoisie unleashed the counter-revolution and the interventionists, including Poland, helped it. So no matter how Wrangel and the Poles quarreled, and their goal was the same - to destroy Soviet power.

                      Golny ideology. I can write the opposite)
                      I already wrote that everything in the world is interconnected. Soviet Russia is waging a war at the moment with the interventionist, and here against it on the other hand there is a new offensive on a new front. This is a diversion of forces - both human resources, and weapons, and ammunition, and rail transportation, but what can I say - this is a huge strain for a young state ravaged by a six-year war.

                      I also know how to philosophize)
                      And where did you get the idea that this division is mythical? It was formed on May 3, 1918, at one time it even entered the First Horse Army. In August 1920, she fought against the Ulagaevsky landing in the 9th army.

                      and you, my dear, do not engage in sophistry, but give specifics.
                      1) Where is the order to transfer this division to Poland?
                      2) Where is the information that INSTEAD of this she stayed in the Kuban precisely because of the landing?
                      3) What she was to join in Poland, what kind of association and how this could affect the course of the Soviet-Polish war.
                      Finally, the most important thing, as I wrote below
                      the Poles pulled far more troops that could be used against the Wrangel than Wrangel pulled those that could be used against the Poles

                      One 1st Cavalry Army is worth what)
                      Or compare it with the 9th division?)
                      I wonder if the Poles wanted to help Wrangel thus build the One and the Indivisible, starting from your dialectic?))
                      1. -1
                        13 October 2019 13: 28
                        Quote: Albatroz
                        and you, my dear, do not engage in sophistry, but give specifics.
                        1) Where is the order to transfer this division to Poland?
                        2) Where is the information that INSTEAD of this she stayed in the Kuban precisely because of the landing?
                        3) What she was to join in Poland, what kind of association and how this could affect the course of the Soviet-Polish war.

                        Turn to Shpakovsky with this, he is a historian, a pensioner, he will look for you all these orders. And I just do not have time to do this, although I am also a pensioner, I still work, and I believe in Soviet sources, then the bulbs were not allowed in vain.
                      2. +4
                        13 October 2019 14: 55
                        I turn))
                        Now))
                      3. -1
                        14 October 2019 06: 49
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        and I believe in Soviet sources, then the bulbs were not allowed in vain.

                        One bulb and farts
                      4. 0
                        14 October 2019 11: 22
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        One bulb and allowed

                        Do not tell me, people are now chasing after Soviet textbooks and literature, so that children can be taught correctly, otherwise the current scribblers have filled up the entire Internet with garbage. And someone writes nonsense, and then it is replicated a thousand times.
                      5. +1
                        14 October 2019 11: 38
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Don’t tell, the people are now chasing after Soviet textbooks and literature,

                        How much do they take ?!

                        We have almost free the mountains wallowing (which was not demolished)
                        AND- to nobody Not needed...

                        Even .... the communists request
                      6. 0
                        14 October 2019 21: 29
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And nobody needs ...

                        So no one. Even academician V.I. Arnold advises teaching children in Soviet textbooks.
                      7. -1
                        15 October 2019 06: 56
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        So no one.

                        Naturally, to anyone: to study according to the Bolshevik history textbook means to remain a dense and ridiculous, funny person.

                        Mathematics is possible, but it’s better to learn it using a modern textbook — it is more adapted to the modern digital world.
                      8. -1
                        15 October 2019 22: 25
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Naturally, to anyone: to study according to the Bolshevik history textbook means to remain a dense and ridiculous, funny person.

                        Well, of course, in your opinion, the Goebbels textbook is better.
                      9. -2
                        16 October 2019 09: 03
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Well, of course, in your opinion, Goebbels the textbook is better.

                        What textbooks did you name so?
                        Modern ones are better, because they talk about what you shamelessly lied about.
                      10. 0
                        16 October 2019 18: 52
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Modern ones are better, because they talk about what you shamelessly lied about.

                        Keep your pocket wider - foreigners and grant-eaters will write the truth to you.
                      11. -2
                        17 October 2019 09: 29
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Keep your pocket wider - foreigners and grant-eaters will write the truth to you.

                        Today's Russian textbooks-TEACH. There is the truth about hunger, never seen in the history of humanity, which in your so-called. "TUTORIALS JUST DID NOT EXIST.
                      12. 0
                        17 October 2019 18: 31
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Today's Russian textbooks-LEARN.

                        Which threw the West? People already spit on them, because with their help they destroyed the USSR, now they destroy Russia, and you are contributing to this.
                      13. -1
                        18 October 2019 08: 26
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Which threw the West? People already spit on them, because with their help they destroyed the USSR, now they destroy Russia, and you are contributing to this.

                        HISTORY threw a terrifying truth for you, KILLING.
                      14. 0
                        18 October 2019 18: 47
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        HISTORY threw a terrifying truth for you, KILLING.

                        This is not a story, this is slander planted by enemies, and you are replicating it. Stop, remember the words of one of the repentant dissidents: "We aimed for socialism, but ended up in Russia." So your slander continues its destructive action against Russia.
                      15. -1
                        19 October 2019 08: 21
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        This is not history, this is slander that the enemies threw, and you are replicating it.

                        These are FACTS of History, in spite of your shameless LIE about hunger, "wealthy" people with them, etc.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Stop, remember the words of one of the repentant dissidents: "We aimed for socialism, but ended up in Russia." So your slander continues its destructive action against Russia.

                        dwarf communism has nothing to do with the MILLENNIUM Russia.
                      16. 0
                        19 October 2019 13: 23
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        dwarf communism has nothing to do with the MILLENNIUM Russia.

                        The socialist revolution and the first phase of communism, built by the Bolsheviks, saved the millennial Russia from collapse, from intervention, from fascism, and all sorts of democrats and liberalists, including you, brought up by those whom you did not finish under Stalin, sold it to world capital.
                      17. -2
                        19 October 2019 13: 46
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        The socialist revolution and the first phase of communism, built by the Bolsheviks, saved millennial Russia from collapse

                        broadcasts from transformed by the Bolsheviks into NERUS parts of Russia UK.bolshevik. belay lol
                        Your affairs are wonderful ...
                      18. 0
                        19 October 2019 20: 40
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        ... from the part of Russia transformed by the Bolsheviks into NERUS.

                        Today, Russia really does not look like Russia, but this is done by your own hands, you and your kind have poured dirt on everyone and everything.
                        And the Bolsheviks, unlike you, have elevated Russia to the Great Soviet Union, and this is confirmed by ym. that all the inhabitants of the USSR abroad were called Russians.
                      19. -1
                        20 October 2019 07: 20
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Today Russia is really not like Russia, but it’s done by your own hands,

                        Yes, today, thanks to YOU ​​RUSSIAN Odessa and Nikolaev are not like themselves, Russian
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        you and you like doused mud everything and everything.

                        Yes, yes, this is your chief prosecutor fragrant in the 30s:
                        "Scum, smelly, dung, a stinking pile of garbage, filthy dogs, damned reptile, scorched crooks, vile creatures, crooks, bandits, arrogant, despicable adventurers."
                        Yes
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        But the Bolsheviks, unlike you, have elevated Russia to the Great Soviet Union, and this is confirmed by

                        WHERE is he, if "great"? request Without wars, catastrophes, once-and-dumb!
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        that all the inhabitants of the USSR abroad were called Russians.

                        And? fool
                      20. 0
                        20 October 2019 10: 55
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And?

                        At that time, we and our country were respected abroad.
                    2. -1
                      13 October 2019 12: 54
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      Soviet Russia is waging a war at the moment with the interventionist, but here against it from the other side new offensive on a new front.

                      What are you talking about again?
                      What .... NEW offensive? White has been fighting FOR THREE YEARS against German litter.

                      Where, by the way, did the interventionists intervene? Do you have borders recognized by someone? For example, Poland, France, Germany, etc. Call them ignoramus.
                      No?
                      So YOU ​​recognized recognized Prlschu in 1918, recognized ALL sections of Poland, r illegal, and, accordingly, recognized its borders in 1772 on the Dnieper.
                      Poles agreed with you and -Went after your own.
                      1. -1
                        13 October 2019 13: 32
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        What are you talking about again?

                        Sorry, but you are talking nonsense, you have some kind of painful fantasies, they attributed to me what I did not write.
                      2. -1
                        14 October 2019 06: 41
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Sorry, but you are talking nonsense, you have some kind of painful fantasies, they attributed to me what I did not write.

                        You wrote nonsense (about a new offensive, on a new front), as indicated to you
                      3. -1
                        14 October 2019 11: 11
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        You wrote nonsense (about a new offensive, on a new front), as indicated to you

                        And just something? And the fact that you chatted about Poland and about its redistribution and supposedly my recognition is not rubbish?

                        About a new front. Wrangel had a front in Northern Tavria, he sent a powerful landing force to the Kuban in order to raise the Cossacks there and with their help open a new front in the North Caucasus. Well, and where do you see nonsense?
                      4. -1
                        14 October 2019 11: 42
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        And just something? And the fact that you chatted about Poland and about its redistribution and supposedly my recognition is not rubbish?

                        This is called TRUTH.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        About a new front. Wrangel had a front in Northern Tavria, he sent a powerful landing force to the Kuban in order to raise the Cossacks there and with their help open a new front in the North Caucasus. Well, and where do you see nonsense?

                        The same front from the Caucasus to the Crimea.
                      5. 0
                        13 October 2019 23: 24
                        The Entente mats were more likely a White Guard movement. As Ataman Lyuty said, "I would have put them even dead in a noose."
                      6. -1
                        14 October 2019 21: 52
                        Quote: Seeker
                        The same front from the Caucasus to the Crimea.

                        Consider as you want, this is the only knife in the back of your people, Wrangel and Ulagai contributed to the defeat of the Soviet troops on the Polish front.
                      7. -1
                        15 October 2019 07: 05
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Consider as you want, only this is a knife in the back of your people,

                        the Bolsheviks had NO relation to the people.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Wrangel with Ulagai contributed to the defeat of the Soviet troops on the Polish front.

                        Wrangel fought with usurpers much earlier than the Poles, go to school and find out.
                        Polish (as well as Finnish, Latvian, Estonian and other wars) is the result of October 1917: your illegal the authorities gave an occasion to all those around them the right to act as illegally, trying to snatch from the country weakened by you.
                        Have you given independence to everyone? given. So they took it, with the territories.
                        Before you, there were NO wars.
                      8. -1
                        15 October 2019 22: 23
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        the Bolsheviks had NO relation to the people.

                        Why no relation? And who then fought in the Red Army? Don't you really feel sorry for the 80 thousand tortured Red Army soldiers whom Wrangel and Ulagai helped to capture the Poles.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Before you, there were NO wars.

                        Well, what a habit - to exaggerate everything, isn't it a shame? And you send me to school.
                        And remember, Soviet power is the legitimate power of the majority of the oppressed, your ancestors did not need to bring them that state.
                      9. -3
                        16 October 2019 08: 55
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Why no relation? And who then fought in the Red Army? Really.
                        %
                        50% of deserters in the Red Army, and this despite the fact that they took hostages as families, and families and villagers answered with their head for desertion.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Don't you really feel sorry for the 80 thousand tortured Red Army soldiers whom Wrangel and Ulagai helped to capture the Poles.

                        Sorry immenselyOf course, deceived and forcefully driven into the army of people, these 230 thousand prisoners and internees.

                        But WHO led them to the slaughter in the center of Europe in order to arrange ... a world revolution?

                        Who overthrew recognized by ALL neighbors power of the country and its borders and gave reason to torment it to pieces?
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Well, what a habit - to exaggerate everything, isn't it a shame? And you send me to school.

                        I am ashamed not to know the FACTS: to YOU, no Polish, Estonian, Sov-Georgians. and so on. There were NO wars.
                        Chop on the nose!
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        And remember, Soviet power is the legitimate power of the majority of the oppressed, your ancestors did not need to bring them that state.

                        Remember, this power is the ILLEGAL usurping power of the loser of the election of an aggressive marginal minority.

                        My ancestors, peasants constituted 90% of the population countries, NEVER Bolsheviks did not choose anywhere.
                      10. -2
                        16 October 2019 18: 49
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        50% of deserters in the Red Army - and this despite the fact

                        Are you exaggerating again? And how many deserters in the white army?

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        But WHO led them to slaughter ... WHO overthrew ... until YOU, no Polish, Estonian, Soviet Georgians. and so forth. WARS WASN’T in sight .. this power is an illegal usurper power

                        I understand that this is already a hysteria ... repeat ...

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        My ancestors, peasants

                        Judging by your attitude to the Soviet government, they were rich, who were then dispossessed. Only it was not the Soviet power that dispossessed, but their fellow villagers, apparently your ancestors got them firmly.
                      11. -1
                        17 October 2019 09: 26
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Are you exaggerating again?

                        Learn, I say again! How much can you enlighten?
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        I understand that this is already a hysterical ... repeated ..

                        These are the FACTS, killer for you and you: before the thieves' power never worked idiots, lobotryas, parasites - NO Polish, Estonian, Soviet Georgians. and so on. There were NO wars.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Judging by your attitude to the Soviet government, they were rich, who were then dispossessed. Only it was not the Soviet power that dispossessed, but their fellow villagers, apparently your ancestors got them firmly.

                        The middle peasants and the poor: all of us held onto us.

                        Power, in which 13 million people died of starvation only (in the 5th century, in the middle of Europe!) - with mass cannibalism (this has never happened in Russia), when the elementary rights to freedom of ALL citizens of the country were violated, with Russia remained the bits of the 20th century, and the Russian people were dying out, not worthy of respect.
                        Robbery and deportation of citizens (40% of children) is in what angle. Codex, which Court sentenced? fool
                      12. -1
                        17 October 2019 18: 25
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Learn, I say again!

                        I’m learning, but you’re not, you are obsessed with your nonsense and continue to repeat them.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        The middle peasants and the poor:

                        No one touched the middle peasants and the poor, if they were not coulters. They were expelled only for sabotage, for rotrava of collective farm cattle, for setting fire to barns, for killing collective farm activists.
                      13. 0
                        18 October 2019 08: 23
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        I’m learning, but you’re not, you are fixated on your bullshit and keep repeating them

                        I taught your BAD for 15 years, then I taught the TRUTH. You remained in the first stage.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        No one touched the middle peasants and the poor, if they were not coulters. They were expelled only for sabotage, for rotrava of collective farm cattle, for setting fire to barns, for killing collective farm activists.

                        A MILLION of exiled CHILDREN, including BABIES, have you been poisoned too?
                        Introduce the courts and court sentences them and their parents.
                      14. -1
                        18 October 2019 18: 37
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        A MILLION of exiled CHILDREN, including BABIES, have you been poisoned too?
                        Present the courts and court sentences to them and their parents

                        You really have some kind of exaggeration. Fathers of families who were engaged in anti-Soviet activities (they killed, burned collective farm bread, and poisoned livestock) were sent, very dangerous were sent to Siberia, less harmful to neighboring areas. Nobody expelled children, if a family went for the father of the family, then there is a clear matter - you will not leave children.
                      15. 0
                        19 October 2019 08: 14
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Fathers of families who were engaged in anti-Soviet activities (they killed, burned collective farm bread, and poisoned livestock) were sent, very dangerous were sent to Siberia, less harmful to neighboring areas.

                        Stop chatting and imagine SENTENCES OF VESSELS in which millions were taken away from millions of CITIZENS and sent to the north of Narym in the snow.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        No one expelled the children,

                        YOU have exiled 1 children who are also forced to WORK.
                      16. -1
                        19 October 2019 13: 15
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        YOU have exiled 1 children who are also forced to WORK.

                        Did you dream about this nonsense today or was it deducted from Goebbels?
                      17. 0
                        19 October 2019 13: 40
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Did you dream about this nonsense today or was it deducted from Goebbels?

                        this "nonsense" is fixed your documents. Through the deceitful.
                        Reality, I'm sure, is even worse.
                      18. -1
                        19 October 2019 20: 25
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        this "nonsense" is recorded in your documents. Lied to the core.
                        Reality, I'm sure, is even worse.

                        Already on other pages talk about your spiritualistic hobbies.
        2. -3
          13 October 2019 08: 41
          The author seems to be a historian, but persistently calls Ekaterinodar, Krasnodar, which became so named after the events described ... It seems to be a trifle ... But the story consists of trifles .. Yes, and the 1st Caucasian Cavalry Division of the Reds was called 1- I am a Caucasian Cossack cavalry division .... An article on a historical theme with petty fraud ...
          1. +4
            13 October 2019 09: 22
            The author seems to be a historian

            I think yes, unlike some.
            but persistently calls Ekaterinodar, Krasnodar

            it is likely that it would be easier for the greens to understand such sailing ships and alexands)) Moreover, it became Krasnodar almost immediately after the events considered.
            1st Caucasian Cossack Cavalry Division

            Oh really? If a phenomenon or object is fully named earlier, then later it (it) can be called in an abbreviated form. This has been and is being done.
            A sailboat expert on divisions? Tell me how about this division Cossacks and even cavalry. If possible in details))
    3. +3
      12 October 2019 17: 58
      Ulagay landed a landing - a blow to the back of Soviet Russia. Thus, he helped Poland avoid defeat.

      Where is the Kuban, and where is Poland))
      Those forces were positioned towards the Southern Front, and not towards the Western or Southwest
      1. -4
        12 October 2019 20: 51
        Quote: Black Joe
        Where is the Kuban, and where is Poland))
        Those forces were positioned towards the Southern Front, and not towards the Western or Southwest

        In the world, everything is interconnected. Ulagay landed a landing when the Poles launched an offensive on the flank of the Southwestern Front, and the Soviet command had to suspend the transfer of the 9th Infantry Division there.
        1. +6
          12 October 2019 21: 44
          Naturally, everything is interconnected in the world, there is a cycle of substances in nature)))
          It may be connected, but distinguish between fronts and fantasize less)))
          Thank God that the actions in the Kuban in Finland did not affect))))
          1. +6
            12 October 2019 21: 46
            For that matter, then one division (presumably again) is about nothing. In a situation where the Poles made a whole front.))
            1. -6
              12 October 2019 22: 33
              Quote: Albatroz
              For that matter, then one division (presumably again) is about nothing. In a situation where the Poles have made a whole front.))

              Road spoon for dinner. The fact is that the division, which was supposed to be transferred to the Polish front, not only in time, it didn’t get there at all. Who is to blame? And then there was the rout of the entire front, because there were no fresh reserves.
              1. +8
                13 October 2019 09: 17
                Do not pull the owl on the globe
                attracting ears about some division. which was not, and if it were, then could not do anything.
                And actually the Poles pulled back much more troops that could be used against Wrangel than Wrangel pulled back those that could be used against the Poles))
                1. -2
                  13 October 2019 12: 32
                  Quote: Albatroz
                  And actually the Poles pulled back much more troops that could be used against Wrangel than Wrangel pulled back those that could be used against the Poles))

                  Do you at least understand what you wrote? This is "Pulling an Owl on the Globe"
                  1. +4
                    13 October 2019 12: 34
                    Oh well
                    This is called benchmarking. Do not want to do it, with?))
                    1. 0
                      13 October 2019 13: 38
                      Quote: Albatroz
                      This is called benchmarking. Do not want to do it with

                      Thank you, I’ve been doing this all my life.
                      1. +4
                        13 October 2019 14: 56
                        A magnificent golden bridge.
                        Ok god with him
    4. +1
      12 October 2019 22: 21
      Alexander Green "That's the whole story about the" hero "."
      Mamontov described this landing in an interesting way in his memoirs. "Hiking and Horses" seems to be called.
    5. +1
      13 October 2019 08: 22
      Quote: Alexander Green
      At that time, heavy battles were taking place on the Polish front, and Ulagai landed an assault — a blow to the back of Soviet Russia.

      Poland made a ceasefire with the Red usurpers, specifically giving them the opportunity to transfer troops to war with Russia.
      By the way, what did the councils lose under ... the independent Warsaw they recognized?
      They trampled on the West to conquer-Poland, Germany, and so on, world reign. do fool . .
      Quote: Alexander Green
      The landing party did not fulfill the task; it was crushed by units of the Red Army.

      Distracted the power of the Reds from the Crimea, gave time. Preserved forces, brilliant military leader.
      Quote: Alexander Green
      Our "hero" emigrated and in 1939-1945 gg Together with Krasnov, he actively collaborated with the Nazis.

      fool he DIED in 1944
      during the years of World War II, General Sergei Ulagai acted on the instructions of the Red Poppies, the French partisan resistance movement.

      buried in the cemetery of Saint-Genevieve-des-Bois. "Eternal Glory to the Russian Warrior" - it is written on his modest grave.

      A worthy person has a worthy grave and memory. In contrast to the red Kovtyukh-trampled and disgraced by their own and buried, it is not known where ...
      1. +5
        13 October 2019 09: 42
        There is an interesting article by Denikin about how Pilsudski saved the Soviet regime from death. As he TIMELY reconciled with the Bolsheviks and attacked the whites, he refused to cooperate with the Volunteer Army in 19 - although at that time, perhaps, this was the key to victory. Just stood and waited.
        This is not surprising, because whites with their United and Indivisible Russia within the pre-war borders were much worse for the Poles than the Bolsheviks, who recognized and legitimized the collapse of the former empire and the splintering of a number of territories.
        Well, then the Poles quarreled with the Reds, and the last turned out to be too tough to defeat even the army of the former region of the empire, in general a secondary enemy
        1. 0
          13 October 2019 10: 35
          Quote: Albatroz
          Pilsudski saved the Soviet regime from death. How he TIMELY put up with the Bolsheviks and attacked the whites, refused to interact with the Volunteer Army

          Yes, two Russophobic regimes found each other for one common goal, in the fight against Russia.
        2. 0
          13 October 2019 10: 36
          Poland as part of the Russian Empire is generally a big mistake. Constant unrest and rebellion. The source of all kinds of traitors. And their safe haven. Direct border with Germany.
          And what did Pilsudski friend of Denikin have to fight with him for his power?
          Poland then returned everything that she had taken. With interest.
      2. 0
        13 October 2019 13: 45
        Quote: Olgovich
        Poland entered into a truce with the red usurpers, specifically giving them the opportunity to deploy troops for the war with Russia.

        It is not clear: whether it’s your fantasies, or whether it was Pilsudski himself telling you. I suspect you are engaged in spiritualism.

        Quote: Olgovich
        during the years of World War II, General Sergei Ulagai acted on the instructions of the Red Poppies, the French partisan resistance movement.

        It will not be possible to check this, as historians write, the "Poppies" were defeated in 1942 and all their documents disappeared. But if Ulagai worked on their instructions, it is not clear how he survived after the destruction of "Maki".
        1. -2
          14 October 2019 06: 43
          Quote: Alexander Green
          It is not clear: whether it’s your fantasies, or whether it was Pilsudski himself telling you. I suspect you are engaged in spiritualism.

          Go to school and learn new knowledge.
          1. +1
            14 October 2019 11: 15
            Quote: Olgovich
            Go to school and learn new knowledge.

            Which ones? Type of your nonsense? Thank you, I studied in a Soviet school and they did not teach spiritualism there.
            1. -2
              14 October 2019 11: 44
              Quote: Alexander Green
              Which ones? Type of your nonsense?

              Like my FACTS.
              Quote: Alexander Green
              Thank you, I studied in a Soviet school

              It is visible: no knowledge, no reading ability.
              1. 0
                14 October 2019 22: 06
                Quote: Olgovich
                Like my FACTS.

                Fantasies from seances call facts? It’s ridiculous.

                Quote: Olgovich
                It is visible: no knowledge, no reading ability.

                You exaggerate again, and contradict yourself: if I can’t read, then I couldn’t answer you, but I answer and the readers understand me.
                You deny the obvious, it indicates that you are not adequate.
                1. -1
                  15 October 2019 08: 14
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  Fantasies from seances call facts? It’s ridiculous.

                  TO SCHOOL!
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  You exaggerate again, and contradict yourself: if I can not read, then I could not answer you, and I answer and readers understand me.
                  You deny the obvious.


                  You so literally (primitively) understand human figurative speech that haste takes.
                  ok, we’ll be simpler .... lol
                  1. -1
                    15 October 2019 22: 11
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    You so literally (primitively) understand human figurative speech that haste takes.

                    But how else to understand you if you cannot explain anything normally? I am writing to you specifically, and you are answering me in the style of "Elderberry in the garden, and uncle in Kiev".
                    1. -3
                      16 October 2019 08: 41
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      But how else can you understand if you can’t explain anything normally? I am writing to you specifically

                      Should I teach you this, or is it your responsibility?

                      Anyone knows that the national traitors of the Bolsheviks, in September 1919, as a year earlier, at the price of offering the Russian lands to the Poles and the loop signed a truce with them, and against Russia, liberated forces began to be transferred from the Western Front to RUSSIA:

                      September 26, 1919 the transfer from the Western Front began Latvian Rifle Division and Cavalry Brigade Red Cossacks;
                      On October 7, 1919, the transfer of the horse corps of S. M. Budenny began;
                      October 8, 1919 the transfer began Estonian Rifle Division, 11th Cavalry Division and Kremenchug cavalry partisan detachment of F.V. Popov (later the detachment was reorganized into a cavalry brigade as part of the 9th RKKA infantry division), Chinese units.

                      These troops of foreign dirty mercenaries, freed up at the price of selling their homeland to Poland, were able to stop the liberation of Russia.

                      The same situation repeated the following year: again a truce, the same foreign mercenary horde is already against Russia in Crimea.
                      1. 0
                        16 October 2019 18: 36
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Anyone knows that national traitors are Bolsheviks,

                        Stop whistling already. Everyone knows that all the White Guard armies were supplied with either the Entente or Germany.
                      2. -2
                        17 October 2019 09: 14
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Stop whistling already. Everyone knows that all the White Guard armies were supplied with either the Entente or Germany.

                        Whistler talking about .... whistling? belay

                        So now you remember how the Bolsheviks concluded a truce with the interventionists with a common goal: to defeat the Russian Army of Russia.?

                        Well done! Yes

                      3. 0
                        17 October 2019 18: 19
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Well done!

                        In my opinion, you have already gone crazy for a long time, wishful thinking is real.
                      4. -1
                        18 October 2019 08: 24
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        To my mind you have long gone crazy

                        Refute the FACTS; end the CHAT.
                      5. 0
                        18 October 2019 18: 40
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Refute the FACTS; end the CHAT.

                        Well, how to refute your nonsense, which you are giving birth so intensively? "You can't put a handkerchief on every mouth," and it makes no sense, you noticed that due to the fact that you are constantly "chasing a blizzard", practically no one reads our dispute with you. ...
                      6. -1
                        19 October 2019 08: 17
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Well, how to refute your nonsense

                        My FACTS You must refute with yours. But you-um, e, .... can.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        "You can't put a scarf on every mouth"

                        Only on mine
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        that due to the fact that you are constantly "chasing a blizzard", practically no one reads our dispute with you. ...

                        Your empty propaganda chatter from the day before yesterday, yes. everyone is tired of it.
                      7. -1
                        19 October 2019 13: 18
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Well, how to refute your nonsense

                        My FACTS You must refute with yours. But you-um, e, .... can.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        "You can't put a scarf on every mouth"

                        Only on mine
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        that due to the fact that you are constantly "chasing a blizzard", practically no one reads our dispute with you. ...

                        Your empty propaganda chatter from the day before yesterday, yes. everyone is tired of it.

                        Your nonsense is pouring from a garbage can. He’s tired of everyone, look, you’ve been minus before. and now they don’t even read.
                      8. +1
                        19 October 2019 13: 43
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Your nonsense pouring like a garbage can. He’s tired of everyone, look, you’ve been minus before. and now they don’t even read.

                        "cut through", once again, the "cultured" Bolshevik lol
                        I don't care about the cons.
                        And with you, I'm just having fun, for-funny lol hi
                      9. -2
                        19 October 2019 20: 33
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And with you, I'm just having fun, for-funny

                        Continue to have fun, you noticed that despite my busyness, I answer all your nonsense. Thanks to you, I have already outlined almost all of Marxism on the forum, so thank you very much for that.
                      10. -1
                        20 October 2019 07: 11
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Keep on having fun, you noticed that despite my busyness, I answer all your nonsense.

                        Of course, until you get bored Yes
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Thanks to you, I have already outlined almost all of Marxism on the forum, so thank you very much for that.

                        Your nonsense ... NO ONE reads, themselves recognized ... belay lol

                        PS You, most importantly, write "Marxizm" with the very first word, so that people immediately quit .. Yes
                      11. 0
                        20 October 2019 10: 46
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Of course, until you get bored

                        Why, a good tandem: you are a bourgeois question for me, and I will give you a Marxist answer, a real political scholarship.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Your nonsense ... Nobody reads, they themselves admitted ...

                        I had in mind something else, seeing that they did not put us any pros or cons, they did not read us the registered regulars of the forum. And so, they even read it. if you remember the audience was many thousands. Now, unfortunately, this cannot be traced. removed the counter of the number of times read.
                      12. -1
                        20 October 2019 14: 16
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Why, a good tandem: you are a bourgeois question for me, and I will give you a Marxist answer, a real political scholarship.

                        Who ... study? belay lol
                        Quote: Alexander Green

                        I had in mind something else, seeing that they did not put us any pros or cons, they did not read us the registered regulars of the forum. And so, they even read it. if you remember the audience was many thousands. Now, unfortunately, this cannot be traced. removed the counter of the number of times read.

                        Nobody reads us. I am having fun, you-work. lol
                      13. 0
                        20 October 2019 21: 45
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Who ... study?

                        How clumsy you are - this is a Marxist educational program for site visitors.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Nobody reads us. I am having fun, you-work.

                        First, they read, they are even interested in our positions on other issues.
                        And secondly, it’s not too tense for me, it’s one pleasure, where else would I be asked such questions?
                      14. -1
                        21 October 2019 09: 22
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        How clumsy you are - this is a Marxist educational program for site visitors.

                        Well, WHO is he interested in, poor are you ours? lol
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        At first read even interested in our positions on other issues.

                        lol
                      15. 0
                        21 October 2019 22: 35
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Well, WHO is he interested in, poor are you ours?

                        A drop is sharpening a stone ...
                      16. -1
                        22 October 2019 08: 47
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        A drop is sharpening a stone ...

                        Yes, yes.
                        But the stone is NOT. laughing
                      17. 0
                        22 October 2019 19: 39
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        But the stone is NOT.

                        Togla is even easier.
                      18. -1
                        23 October 2019 08: 37
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Togla is even easier.

                        Yes, "sharpen" your tears-sand lol
                      19. -1
                        23 October 2019 17: 26
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Yes, "sharpen" your tears-sand

                        You forgot the folk wisdom: the mouse will pour out tears of a mouse ....
                        Everything in the world is repeated. The socialist revolution will be repeated soon.
                      20. -1
                        24 October 2019 09: 04
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        You forgot the folk wisdom: the mouse will pour out tears of a mouse ....

                        I agree: here are the tears of the millionth victims of your power.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        The socialist revolution will be repeated soon.

                        lol laughing
                      21. 0
                        24 October 2019 20: 10
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        I agree: here are the tears of the millionth victims of your power.

                        Why do you think so? What we do not store, lost crying. The intoxicated people gave up their power and allowed themselves to sit on the necks of the burials, who, having destroyed the USSR, robbed the people of their homeland, seizing public property, robbed this people, which has become impoverished and dying out by millions. And how many died in ethnic conflicts, due to the division of private property. This is the real tears of the people that your brotherhood will never forgive you.
                      22. -1
                        25 October 2019 09: 09
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Why do you think so? What we do not store, lost crying. The intoxicated people gave up their power and allowed themselves to sit on the necks of the burials, who, having destroyed the USSR, robbed the people of their homeland, seizing public property, robbed this people, which has become impoverished and dying out by millions. And how many died in ethnic conflicts, due to the division of private property. This is the real tears of the people that your brotherhood will never forgive you.

                        You were stupefied 70 years old, until everyone got bored worse than the bitter radish.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        robbed this people

                        today people are richer and LONGER live than with you.
                        And the entire Russian Cross is YOUR 70 year merit.
                        Almost 10% of the country's population died of starvation alone!
                        200 million abortions!
                        Millions of repressed!
                        Complete alcoholization of the country!
                        so cry now ....
                      23. 0
                        25 October 2019 19: 52
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        today people are richer and LONGER live than with you.
                        And the entire Russian Cross is YOUR 70 year merit.
                        Almost 10% of the country's population died of starvation alone!

                        How long have you been talking about this nonsense? Not tired? Take a look and look around. In all the former republics of the USSR, mortality is now higher than the birth rate. Everywhere, the decline in population is estimated in millions. Only the enemies of the people deny this ...
                      24. -1
                        26 October 2019 09: 09
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        How long have you been talking about this nonsense?

                        Reality denied? But to her you are indifferent.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        In all former republics of the USSR now mortality is higher than the birth rate. Everywhere, the decline in population is in the millions.

                        ignoramus, depopulation has begun in 1964 g.
                        Tie on your ... nose
                        not a single generation Russians born after 1910 and entering an active reproductive age, beginning with the era of the “great turning point”, the late 1920s - early 1930s, NOT reproduced itself.http: //www.demoscope.ru

                        NOT ONE!
                        Today’s extinction is the result of YOUR 70 year old effort yesterday!
                      25. 0
                        26 October 2019 09: 30
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Today’s extinction is the result of YOUR 70 year old effort yesterday!

                        This is called headache to healthy. Calm down already, you are on the forum and so take for a schizophrenic.
                      26. 0
                        26 October 2019 09: 42
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        This is called headache to healthy. .

                        FACTS are given.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Calm down already you on the forum and so on schizophrenic take.

                        Well, you have already called citizens into schizophrenics ..... request
                        Get out of the party faster, or it's even scary to think about what will happen next Yes
                      27. +1
                        26 October 2019 17: 42
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Well, you have already called citizens into schizophrenics .....

                        ??? .... Exactly from a sick head to a healthy one.
    6. +4
      22 October 2019 23: 44
      Alexander Green (Alexander)
      Our "hero" emigrated and in 1939-1945. together with Krasnov he actively collaborated with the Nazis. That's the whole story about the "hero"

      .This is not true
      You write that Ulagay collaborated with the Germans during the Second World War.
      Give evidence
      Others, just as confused, claim that he not only collaborated with the Germans, but did on the instructions of the “Maki” - the French partisan resistance movement.
      But, in fact, S. G. Ulagai did not cooperate with the Germans.
      There is not a single fact. For that, the German documents captured in Berlin contain a letter to S.G. Ulagai Krasov and Shkuro: "... You propose to me and General Bekovich how the most authoritative Cossack generals after Wrangel's death will join the Kosaken-Kavallerie-Korps. My answer is no If Pyotr Nikolaevich were alive, he would have hanged you as traitors to the Fatherland. "
      Lay down
      11 October 1943 Marseille

      P / S Bekovich-Cherkassky, Fedor Nikolaevich during the Second World War was the leader of the Russian Resistance Movement in France
      1. -1
        23 October 2019 17: 34
        Quote: Rich
        But, in fact, S. G. Ulagai did not cooperate with the Germans.
        There is not a single fact.

        Well, it’s not bad that the bull-headed general, who shed a lot of people's blood for old age, understood something. This is a great poise for him. In the next world, it will not be so tormented.
  5. +7
    13 October 2019 10: 01
    An interesting article, to the author, as always, respect!
    Although the described events cause some sadness: How much were the forces of the warring parties incommensurable? Was it possible to keep Crimea not here and now, but for decades and create on its territory a kind of state. Or did the White command understand everything and simply rested, fighting to the last opportunity ???
    1. +2
      13 October 2019 10: 40
      Even if the Cossacks did not follow the whites, it is obvious that these political and economic bankruptcies could not last long.
      Although it is insanely sorry for the dead on both sides ...
      1. +8
        13 October 2019 10: 55
        How did it not go?
        One of the most reliable supports of the white movement and the main supplier of cavalry.
        By the way, there is one comrade, Green, is mistaken, counting Cherepov's detachment as an example of the Ulagayev landing force. In Soviet military historiography, all 3 landings are called "Wrangel landings in the Kuban", and Ulagayevsky is only one of them
        1. +9
          13 October 2019 11: 08
          But Ulagaev’s assault is central, of course, they are interconnected and under common leadership.
          Although in the conditions of the then means of communication is quite nominal
        2. -1
          13 October 2019 13: 02
          Quote: Dalton
          In Soviet military historiography, all 3 landings are called "Wrangel landings in the Kuban", and Ulagayevsky is only one of them

          I rely on Soviet sources and in those that I used, it was written "Ulagayevsky landing", because. the general leadership was with him.
      2. -5
        13 October 2019 13: 00
        Quote: Moskovit
        political and economic bankruptcy could not last long.

        There are much smaller states and hundreds of years. And much more successful than the deceased USSR.
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  8. +1
    15 October 2019 12: 26
    A valuable source of memoirs on the Kuban landing is the diary of Alexander Sudoplatov ("Diary", "New Literary Review", Moscow, 2014, 376 p.). The Diary is also notable for the fact that Sudoplatov left a lot of drawings, naive, but very informative.
    A few modern photos (the landing site and the battlefield, the lineman's booth served as the headquarters of one of the Alekseyev units, unfortunately, was dismantled into brick a couple of years ago).


  9. +1
    15 October 2019 12: 32
    There is also such a paradoxical monument, from the appearance and contents of which both red and white would be perplexed.
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