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The US Navy put into operation a new generation submarine USS Oregon

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The US Navy held a “baptism” ceremony for a Virginia-class submarine. The procedure marked the official adoption of the submarine.




The US Navy officially adopted the USS Oregon (SSN 793) submarine, which is a Virginia-class submarine. The ceremony was held at the General Dynamics Electric Boat shipyard in Groton.

Kiel PL was laid July 8, 2017. An estimated $ 2,7 billion submarine is expected to join the fleet next year. Officially, the boat will get its name as soon as it is finally put into operation.

SSN 793 will be the third warship named Oregon. The first to have this name was the brig, purchased in 1841 to support the US Expeditionary Expedition and in use until 1845. The second was the battleship, which played a significant role in the Spanish-American war: it helped destroy the fleet of Admiral Servers. The ship also blocked Manila Bay in the Philippine-American War.

Vice Admiral James Kilby said that USS Oregon, equipped with the most modern weapons and sensors, will disappear under the waves and will not be detected until the time and place are chosen.

In total, 48 submarines of this class should be built, 33 of them - before 2030 of the year. It is assumed that they will completely replace the submarines of the class "Los Angeles" and the improved "Los Angeles" as part of the US Navy. The submarine reactor does not require refueling throughout the life of the boat, which reduces the life cycle costs and increases the travel time.

Submarines of the Virginia class are capable of attacking targets ashore with the help of high-precision Tomahawk cruise missiles and conduct covert, long-term surveillance of land areas, coastal waters or other naval forces. Among other things, the boat is capable of completing missions on anti-submarine and anti-ship warfare, delivery of mines and mapping of minefields.
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  1. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 6 October 2019 14: 19
    +13
    we would also stamp the latest pl
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 6 October 2019 14: 36
      +4
      Quote: Ryaruav
      we would also stamp the latest pl

      How many do we need? And generally submarines. Aircraft carriers and cruisers (destroyers of the ocean zone)? Not having bases around the world. The necessary sufficiency is a reasonable and economical rearmament policy.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 6 October 2019 15: 04
        +30
        The trouble is that the Navy does not even have a coherent concept of development - only "wet" dreams and an ever-cutting budget.
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 6 October 2019 17: 11
          +27
          The problem is in the frames. Specifically, Sevmash is looking for specialists all over the country and is actually completing them at the factory. The system of secondary technical education is destroyed. In 2011, in the USA it was decided to double the pace of submarine construction: instead of one atomic submarine of the Virginia class, two should be delivered annually. Americans launch their Virginia in 6 years. Three years - since the installation of ready modules (sections) of the future submarine on the slipway. The real start of construction, metal cutting and the manufacture of mechanisms for the American submarine, usually begins three years before its official “laying”. The United States came to this pace of production through the organization of production and advanced training of workers. Shipyards turned to the authorities of the states of Rhode Island and Connecticut, where the production is located, and jointly created specialized colleges. Scholarships, level of training, guaranteed employment with high pay for prestigious work yielded results.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 6 October 2019 17: 43
            +7
            Three years - since the installation of ready modules (sections) of the future submarine on the slipway.

            Debugged construction of serial boats can be accelerated.
            Kiel PL was laid July 8, 2017.

            Modularity, division of labor and well-developed logistics.
            Scholarships, level of training, guaranteed employment with high pay for prestigious work yielded results.

            And this is exactly what we have "optimized".
            1. Starover_Z
              Starover_Z 6 October 2019 18: 07
              +9
              Quote: lexus
              Scholarships, level of training, guaranteed employment with high pay for prestigious work yielded results.

              And this is exactly what we have "optimized".

              And our production was optimized by the "trainees" of the Western enlightenment, trained there in the 90s and who came to factories with diplomas from Western colleges, modern d'effective menHers!
          2. Petrol cutter
            Petrol cutter 6 October 2019 19: 20
            +14
            * The problem is in the frames. *
            Yes. Right away, yes!
            Good staff must be paid well enough. Well, at least a little bit, well, please ...
            Otherwise there will be no frames. Will never.
            They fired all the welders from the factory, then the chief builder walks around and asks, why is it so ugly brewed?
            So get up dear friend and cook beautifully. What is the problem?!.
            And I have a welded torch in my hands for the third time in my life.
            It is time in the course of learning to argon yourself.
            1. BYV
              BYV 7 October 2019 21: 30
              0
              It’s strange. My classmate works at the Admiralty Shipyards. He is a welder. Not particularly straining - 80-90 tyr. If you are in a hurry (and this happens), then 130 and more ...
              He says that people do not go. And it doesn’t matter, pros or not. Teach yourself. But ... don't go. It’s necessary to work with your hands ... It’s better to sit in the office and shift the luggage ... and compare the quality of smoothies in fashionable mit-free chillouts, approaching them on an Xiaomi electric scooter))
              1. Petrol cutter
                Petrol cutter 7 October 2019 22: 03
                +2
                * Strange. My classmate works at the Admiralty Shipyards. He is a welder. Not really straining - 80-90 tyr. If you have an emergency (and this happens), then 130 or more ... *
                You do not confuse the capital with the periphery. On the ground, the tariffs are fundamentally different. There were, there are and probably will be. Such is the strange specificity of our country.
                Performing the same work with the same quality, you will never get a St. Petersburg salary in the same Feodosia.
                The funny thing is that no one even requires a hundred thousand pay. Forty to fifty will suit us perfectly (moreover, tensing).
                1. BYV
                  BYV 7 October 2019 22: 22
                  -4
                  You’ll laugh, but there’s a hostel from the factory. And in the modern world, mobility decides a lot.
                  And yes, enough 4 - 5 months to get a mortgage at 9%. In St. Petersburg odnushka (not a studio) costs from 1800 sput. This is quite an uplifting sum of years at 10. Duc sho - fse f your hands.
                  1. goose
                    goose 8 October 2019 17: 32
                    +1
                    Quote: BYV
                    And in the modern world, mobility decides a lot.

                    Work, roads, hospitals, universities, etc., as well as an acceptable standard of living, should be everywhere, not just in St. Petersburg and Moscow, otherwise the country will collapse into two cities and be occupied by a more organized civilization.
                  2. Petrol cutter
                    Petrol cutter 8 October 2019 20: 37
                    0
                    * You will still laugh, but there is a hostel from the factory. And in the modern world, mobility decides a lot.
                    And yes, 4 to 5 months is enough to get a mortgage at 9%. In St. Petersburg, odnushka (not a studio) costs from 1800 sput. This is quite a lifting amount of 10 years. Duc sho - fse f your hands. *
                    If this is a message to me, then I'm too old to start life anew. Yes, and in St. Petersburg I do not burn with desire. I personally do not like it there. I have an apartment here - treshka. And I would like to die at home, and not a thread in St. Petersburg. In the hostel from the factory. I traveled for about fifteen years. Besides the fact that he ruined his health, he didn’t make much money. What is the hostel from the factory I know firsthand. Therefore, whoever likes is a flag in hand.
                2. Ostwest
                  Ostwest 2 November 2019 19: 02
                  0
                  Key: not particularly straining.
                  I walk near the store, make the usual porch to the store. Already a month they cannot master 3 * 7 steps, the railing and the entrance to the room itself. The main thing today is comfort and pleasure. Where is the atomic boat.
          3. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 7 October 2019 11: 04
            +6
            But the "villain" Stalin, in order for the Soviet people to win the war in 10 years, created a FZU system. And the teenagers stood at the machines, replacing their fathers. And Successful managers ruined the vocational school system in 30 years of optimization request
            1. BYV
              BYV 7 October 2019 21: 35
              0
              30 years is 1991 year. And all economists and historians have recognized that the 1 year of devastation is offset by the 3-4 year of intensive restoration. Well, then yes - the bloody terran is to blame for everything ... Vlad ... Vlad Puten ..
      2. Cyrus
        Cyrus 6 October 2019 17: 35
        +10
        "The necessary sufficiency - a reasonable and economical policy of rearmament" further leads to crushing defeats and millions of victims that could have been avoided ..
      3. 3danimal
        3danimal 2 November 2019 14: 48
        +1
        So here we are talking about industrial facilities and the speed of construction in comparison with ours.
    2. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 6 October 2019 16: 44
      +10
      Under Soviet rule, nuclear submarines were mass-produced at THREE plants, and now they are only repairing ONE !!!
      1. Machito
        Machito 6 October 2019 17: 03
        -4
        40 boats. Yes, they just don’t know the measures.
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 6 October 2019 17: 46
        +4
        Under Soviet rule, nuclear submarines were mass-produced at THREE plants.

        On the FOUR - in Severodvinsk, Komsomolsk-on-Amur, Leningrad, Gorky (in proportion to the number of built nuclear submarines).
        1. Greg Miller
          Greg Miller 6 October 2019 17: 52
          +10
          Quote: lexus
          Under Soviet rule, nuclear submarines were mass-produced at THREE plants.

          On the FOUR - in Severodvinsk, Komsomolsk-on-Amur, Leningrad, Gorky (in proportion to the number of built nuclear submarines).

          And not one of them went to any Ukraine, all remained in Russia, and all the factories, albeit with great difficulty, still survived Yeltsin’s hard times, but Putin couldn’t survive Putin’s stability any more ...
    3. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 7 October 2019 10: 56
      0
      Quote: Ryaruav
      we would also stamp the latest pl

      "Oh, what a woman, what a woman. I would like this ...."
  2. Grandfather
    Grandfather 6 October 2019 14: 19
    +4
    29th "virgin" in "harem" ...
    1. Errr
      Errr 6 October 2019 17: 01
      +4
      SSN "Oregon" is only the 20th Virginia-class nuclear submarine (2nd boat of Block IV version). The 29th will be laid down as the 1st Virginia class nuclear submarine, Block V.
  3. Arthur 85
    Arthur 85 6 October 2019 14: 25
    +6
    Yeah. I’m wondering: all these 33 virgins will be standing at the exit from the base of our SSGNs with open torpedo tubes. Anyone have ideas on how to deal with this?
    1. Republican
      Republican 6 October 2019 14: 33
      -8
      Aviks or UDCs could very well and mobilely track and drive submarines of a potential adversary, but only military experts sit on the VO who want to cast all enemies with hypersounds and pray for Poseidon. Russia apparently can’t build AUGs not because it’s expensive to go nuts, but because Aviki and Udk are targets for our missiles, as if all of NATO has a lot of missiles ...
      1. Arthur 85
        Arthur 85 6 October 2019 14: 52
        -5
        Well, we won't have Aviks for another 10 years (and, seriously, never), and in 10 years most likely the Americans will withdraw 2/3 of their fleet to the reserve for lack of money ... UDC makes sense here only in the form of a "clean" anti-submarine helicopter carrier, but then it is already easier to develop a helicopter capable of being in the air for 12 hours, and in shifts, from land, to patrol the water area. But I have an even better idea, even two ... Who will guess?
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 2 November 2019 14: 49
          +1
          Will the US have no money in 10 years? What are your forecasts based on?
          1. Arthur 85
            Arthur 85 2 November 2019 19: 20
            0
            Uh ... Today, American debt has exceeded 23 trillion (2,3 * 10 to the thirteenth degree). The budget deficit is over 900 billion. There are no theoretical chances of returning this debt, except for the depreciation of the dollar. And he, the dollar, does not even hold on 10 AUGs, but on a general fear of its fall, for a generation of economists has grown up who simply don’t understand how it is possible without a dollar ... But to believe that this fear will maintain confidence in the dollar for another ten years I I can not.
            Further with them, it will be the same as with the USSR fleet - the United States will plunge into internal turmoil, and Virginia, which have not served their term, will go to the reserve or needles to pacify the saved money in the life of not a single day nor working gansta rap fans ...
            Something like that.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 2 November 2019 21: 13
              0
              Remind me, what is the US GDP? About $ 22 trillion?
              Debt to GDP ratio - 105%. Oddly enough, by this ratio they ... in 10th place. The first is Japan, with 253%. Perhaps she should collapse a little earlier? )
              In 2018, America paid about $ 364 billion in government debt interest expense. A huge amount, $ 100 billion more than the budget of the Russian Federation. But it makes up only a tenth of the US budget (such superpowers). And the main thing here is the ability to service debt. When payments are close to 50% of the budget, it will be possible to think about stability. Now - everything looks good.
              People carry nonsense (or knowingly lie), numbers are more reliable.
              Where did you get what you wrote above?
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 2 November 2019 21: 17
                -1
                Quote: 3danimal
                People carry nonsense (or knowingly lie), numbers are more reliable.
                Where did you get what you wrote above?

                Propaganda is broadcasting about this .. dist Shapiro directly from Lake Como.
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 2 November 2019 21: 25
                  0
                  Perhaps this is a common feature of all our "professional patriots";)
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 2 November 2019 22: 04
                    -1
                    [b [] [/ b]
                    Quote: 3danimal
                    Perhaps this is a common feature of all our "professional patriots";)

                    such as our sraketa, the most beautiful-trump-nyash-no-overshot -picked in all places. In the name of oil, gas and kimberlite pipes. Amnyam yum
              2. Arthur 85
                Arthur 85 2 November 2019 21: 59
                0
                https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4140487
                http://webdiscover.ru/v/22301
                Here are the resources. The rest is self-evident to me as twice two - four.
                The dollar is held only by consensus of economic elites. (In general, like any currency, including gold and cowry shells.) Well, on the fact that until recently it was extremely convenient to use. But little by little comes the sobering-up that just for security reasons, it is better to keep your gold reserves and trade in different currencies / assets, and this is very dumb when the issuer of your money is not quite predictable Trump, generally unpredictable Clinton, or even God knows which of the bowels of the Fed . In my opinion, when the share of settlements in the dollar drops to 55-60%, a chain reaction will go further, namely: America can live at the current level of consumption only in debt; dollar loss of its status will lead to the collapse of the bubbles of American companies (such as all sorts of Facebook); they will not be able to hide this, since they themselves have released the Internet genie from the bottle; this will lead to further undermining of faith in their economic power ... The circle has closed.
                In my opinion, this will happen before the 24th year. Their only salvation is if they reach this year, and we foolishly choose some abstract protest collaborator, I won’t specify names. Or, for example, through Hong Kong they will undermine the growing power of China ... Then for a couple of decades they will delay their end, which, however, is inevitable anyway.
                A. Japan. Here again - they service the debt, as long as there is a currency in which it is nominated, and a pyramid of debts. But yes, I do not exclude that they will order a long life even earlier than the United States.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 2 November 2019 22: 25
                  0
                  [b] [Arthur 85 (Andrei) / b] must definitely blow up VOLCANO YELLOWSTONE: THE COUNTDOWN STARTED?
                  1. 3danimal
                    3danimal 2 November 2019 22: 40
                    +1
                    When there is no way in the foreseeable future to catch up with a stronger one, it remains to hope for a meteorite falling on it)
                  2. Arthur 85
                    Arthur 85 3 November 2019 06: 54
                    0
                    Whether the volcano explodes or not, this is not important in the economic model under consideration. This is force majeure.
                    And you, dear person, will you come from Ukraine? I read your comments in different branches, and suspicion creeps in.
                2. 3danimal
                  3danimal 2 November 2019 22: 26
                  -1
                  There is no reason to leave the leading economies behind the dollar. There is a structure, it works at low cost. Without it, the costs will become larger (simplified). Not to mention that a hypothetical catastrophe in the US economy will affect the whole world (too big).
                  US consumption ... So they produce a lot. (Export in the field of high technology is about 3 trillion per year).
                  These theories look far-fetched and look like the dreams of the poor side that the unsympathetic rich would go broke. Forgetting that he made a fortune, he is not in the lottery.
                  I propose a dispute for $ 1000, which will continue to exist by the 30th)
                3. 3danimal
                  3danimal 2 November 2019 22: 38
                  +1
                  You never answered: where are the CONCLUSIONS drawn from the completely neutral article of Kommersant? (I am sure there were other sources).
                  Many budgets of developed countries have deficits, a larger amount for a larger economy, unemployment declined, which is good.
                  Crises periodically occur, as it was in the 2009th, it affected us too (then the currency cushion helped smooth out the problems). But then again comes the growth.
                  1. Arthur 85
                    Arthur 85 3 November 2019 06: 59
                    0
                    Yes, I did not read that article of Kommersant - it was just the first reference to the amount of their budget deficit. Conclusions from my head. If you really need a link to an authoritative source, you can take the gospel. “If a person wants to build a tower, but does not calculate all the costs of building it ...” That is, do not live in debt, it always ends in bankruptcy, or death, when debts are written off naturally.
                    (That’s what I’m afraid of that will affect us. That these greedy Westerners drove the world into such a corner that the hell with it, with the crisis — to get out without a nuclear war)
                    What other evidence is needed? That the golden billion lives off the rest of the world? Does this have to be seriously proven? And as for the rest of the world, this is starting to gradually come to a conclusion: both in Mexico and America, the system seems to be identical, but the standard of living is not ... So these maidan-facebook technologies are shuddering everywhere. So that young idiots have something to occupy themselves with, and governments - to beat them with batons, and also be on hand.
                    T.N. “High technology” nobody really needs. We have been taught to believe that they are needed, and this product is not the first, or even the third necessity.
                    Too lazy to write for a long time, it is a whole monograph / article that must be composed: when exactly and how exactly to the world (in the modern sense) the kapets come. Who will survive and why. Moreover, I see several options, but I type slowly. Here on one literary site they promise a prize of 100 thousand to the author of the best dystopia, I’d better go there.
                    You are right in one thing. We are not able to defeat the West in its current state, and only one should remain. But Katz does not offer to give up (crossed out), but this does not mean that we will necessarily lose. Mammals won the selection from dinosaurs is not in direct battle ...
                    1. 3danimal
                      3danimal 3 November 2019 08: 08
                      0
                      You are mistaken about life on credit. The company that uses them (at a small percentage, with payments up to 10% of income) will grow faster. Open the tutorial)
                      Religious texts are weakly combined with modern economics (as well as with science), because they were written by people of the Ancient World / Early Middle Ages.
                    2. 3danimal
                      3danimal 3 November 2019 08: 13
                      0
                      So where did you get this idea of ​​confrontation (although it’s clear from the same TV box) ??
                      All can coexist normally. Become on modern rails and approx. In the end, open your eyes: "telepatriots", most of the top government officials in the "bad West" are treated, buys housing, educates and leaves the children to live. These are people who regularly talk about "civilizational confrontation"))
                      1. Arthur 85
                        Arthur 85 3 November 2019 10: 42
                        0
                        And what was the “civilizational confrontation” between the Anglo-Saxons, Franks and Germans in WWI, when they are all Germanic tribes? They shared money ...
                        Regarding lending. It is clear that, ceteris paribus, a company that exists and grows only on its own earned funds will lose the competition to the one that has access to credit money. In the first stage, once, this may even be permissible. The trouble is that if you take advantage of a loan, the enterprise (state, individual) is unlikely to stop. Do you know that there are overnight loans - for one day? That is, some enterprises are already so worthless that even within one day they are unable to fulfill their obligations without a credit “needle”. And in a normal economy, they had to die for a long time (this is what is healthy in capitalism), now these "zombie companies" even look like living ones.
                        That’s exactly what I’ve said, mentioning about a corner from which, frankly, I don’t see good exits. I will not sin much against the truth, saying that the day of the appearance of the first usurer on Earth coincided with the first day of sunset of human civilization.
                        I don’t need to open the textbook. Economics is one of the few areas of knowledge, all the laws of which can be inferred without getting up from the chair)
                        Yes, “elites” are always in one way or another corrupt, otherwise they would not become “elites”. If gloomy Taukitians arrive tomorrow, then proud American senators will race to meet the new gentleman. But in the middle of the zero years, the "elites" in one way or another understood that for the west they will always remain the indigenous princes (and this, incidentally, is the last mistake of the west: if united with us, they could dominate the planet for several centuries). Willingly had to develop the country. But of course, not everyone understood, but part of it acts in a manner: “steal 100 rubles and run away.”
                        Regarding the ancient texts in vain, you are so dismissive of them. I would have to write too much, but believe me, there is much more wisdom than in the textbook of economics.
                      2. 3danimal
                        3danimal 4 November 2019 05: 29
                        0
                        Good American senators do not buy massively housing in Rublevka and in Russia in general, do not educate children at Moscow State University))
                        About ancient texts: the term wisdom can mean a lot. I remember when I asked a devout grandmother about inconsistencies in my childhood, I received threats "God will punish." That is, veneration is largely based on the prohibition of the inclusion of intelligence and critical thinking when working with them (in this society).
                        Zombie companies ... Small deviations, with the correct general model (IMHO).
                        No problem if the company continues to lend, continuing to grow. The main thing is to keep the size of the payment within ~ 10% of income.
                        In WWI, everything was more complicated. There were territorial claims, the prevailing opinion was that the war would be quick and victorious. We know how it turned out. All people on Earth once lived in the neighborhood and differed little (before resettlement). And they belong to the same species) This is not a reason for the absence of conflicts. It took a certain social evolution.
                      3. Arthur 85
                        Arthur 85 4 November 2019 22: 18
                        -1
                        They are not buying up at Rublevka, but they are weighing up blocks of shares for lobbying interests, they accept them at the directorate. As I understand it, you understand the economy, you know this is no worse than me ...
                        About antiquity, I had in mind this: humanity rushing headlong into progress, leaving the evolutionary component far behind. And when all the foundations on which humanity has existed for 40 thousand years as a species are violated ... Biology then spit that we imagine ourselves to be the kings of nature, and it will certainly "rest" on us. Already resting.
                      4. 3danimal
                        3danimal 5 November 2019 22: 38
                        0
                        Biological evolution has led to the presence of a sufficiently developed brain (speech, abstract thinking, etc.). With the development of society and the accumulation of knowledge, breakthroughs occurred that qualitatively accelerated further development.
                        Now biological evolution has incredibly slowed down in relation to scientific and technological development (And the whole consequence of the aforementioned).
                        Man was previously weaker than more adapted animals (herbivores and predators): he ran poorly, merged with the terrain, scratched and bit. The solution was the development of intelligence: it turned out to be a more powerful and versatile tool. And coming to a modern state (in one form or another) was inevitable, especially after the emergence of criteria for scientific knowledge.
                        About American senators: I do not argue, there are the interests of large companies and gratitude for their lobbying. But then again, they receive blocks of shares and get former officials mostly in local companies.
                        And this cannot be compared to Russian officials tearing (in fact) to the West. It is clear that everything is comfortable there, the courts and property protection work ...
                        And this is another indicator (indirect) that theories about the imminent collapse of the largest economies are fiction.
                      5. Arthur 85
                        Arthur 85 6 November 2019 08: 34
                        0
                        Well, wait and see. Roman citizenship was once also very valuable for various nobles from client kingdoms. And where is that Rome now?
                      6. 3danimal
                        3danimal 6 November 2019 19: 09
                        -1
                        Societies located far from each other in terms of development. There was the Roman Empire, but the States are a federation (to a greater extent than the Russian Federation). A much more stable structure.
                        Realizing the lag and not taking real steps for growth, it remains to hope for Yellowstone ...
                      7. Arthur 85
                        Arthur 85 6 November 2019 19: 41
                        0
                        I have a million objections, but the main thing: in Africa, women give birth without medical assistance. Dot. We do not have a future.
                      8. 3danimal
                        3danimal 6 November 2019 21: 33
                        -1
                        Do you know the statistics of complications during childbirth? Mortality of the mother and fetus?
                        They give birth themselves, without access to the hospital, prenatal centers. It's okay, in the Stone Age, the ancient world, and right up to the beginning of the 20th century, they compensated for the mortality of women in childbirth, infant mortality with a large number of births during the life of a woman.
                        If the doomed Europeans leave promising Africans to their fate (you can still introduce a blockade for the purity of the experiment), they will face a huge number of victims: from hunger, illness, strife, general degradation (and again starvation and disease). And a return to tribal life.
      2. bayard
        bayard 6 October 2019 15: 32
        +4
        Quote: Republican
        Aviki or UDC

        good targets for these submarines.
        For the safety of bases - a classic of anti-submarine forces - MPK, BOD, corvettes, frigates, submarines, specialized specialized drones, bottom sensory warning fields, airplanes and helicopters (airships?) PLOs etc.
        1. Cyrus
          Cyrus 6 October 2019 17: 38
          -1
          A nuclear submarine is an excellent target for AB and UDC with anti-submarine helicopters on board.
          1. bayard
            bayard 6 October 2019 18: 03
            +1
            The comrade above has already indicated that in this case the UDC should be equipped with an anti-submarine helicopter wing and used only as its carrier. Therefore, if the UDC in the database is and there are PLO helicopters to it - only a plus, and a big one.
            About the aircraft carrier ... well, if "Kuzya" still comes out sometime in the sea, then it is quite - it has its own 12 regular PLO helicopters. And it's too early to talk about new aircraft carriers - they will be able to lay them only in 5-6 years and 7 years (if they build medium-sized ones) or 10 (if the nuclear one is 80-100 kilotons). So it's better not to dream of having one for 15 years.
            But the main enemy of the nuclear submarine is submarine aviation. Here it should be in abundance and its equipment should be consistent with the needs of modern war ... The very method of detection by the ring effect.
        2. andrew42
          andrew42 7 October 2019 12: 49
          +1
          Indeed, the Avik is a legitimate prey for a multipurpose submarine. What they write, what they write! It seems that they have never heard of a BOD, or WWII destroyers, or of the Ministry of Defense in the end.
      3. Archon
        Archon 6 October 2019 19: 22
        +1
        It is possible to transfer the whole country to Judaism almost for free, and then we will not be threatened. In the new series of the southern park, they defeated such an idea.
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 6 October 2019 15: 03
      +10
      Quote: Arthur 85
      Yeah. I’m wondering: all these 33 virgins will be standing at the exit from the base of our SSGNs with open torpedo tubes. Anyone have ideas on how to deal with this?

      And stand by and accompany
      1. Each exit of our submarine in the form of a target (for them, a goal). and PLARK and SSBN and PLA.
      2. Each exit of its SSBNs is also escorted for opening an observation.
      3. their AUG / KUG also accompany.
      4. Whether each of our teachings, whether Chinese, accompany, study, etc.
      5. Are in patrol zones, vital areas of their country.
      There are enough tasks even for 100 nuclear submarines ...

      We would be so ...
      1. Arthur 85
        Arthur 85 6 October 2019 15: 08
        +3
        That all 33, of course, I exaggerated, but at least half will be there during the threatened period, since it is much more important for them to sink all our SSBNs at the exit from the bases than even lose 3-4 of their AUGs, in the end it’s 10-12 thousand people, and one volley of Borea is millions and millions.
        1. yaros
          yaros 6 October 2019 15: 23
          -6
          You don’t have to leave the base to shoot Borea, actually I would like to see how you drive these boats into the Kola Bay ... passing Severomorsk and the sonar networks that are packed there ... but you could always get away from them, despite on your fantasies ...
          1. Arthur 85
            Arthur 85 6 October 2019 15: 30
            +1
            I know that Borea does not have to leave the base ... But it’s closer. But the idea is this. Dazzling, as in the book about Khoja Nasreddin: the sea component of the triad of Russia is simply not needed. Well, not ours. You can build another hundred silos for that money. It is possible to revive railway complexes. It is possible to launch a flooded barge into the Caspian Sea on the model of a sunken dock with 8 * 8 missile silos from Boreev. Neither Elk nor Virgin will get them there. Since Americans are withdrawing from all agreements, why should we be shy?
            1. NordOst16
              NordOst16 6 October 2019 16: 03
              -6
              And the Russian fleet is not needed because it’s not ours, instead, it’s possible to set up more bombers and dozens of dry cargo ships-minzags. And mine along the entire sea border with conventional and nuclear mines leaving only small fairways. And you can do without a fleet.
            2. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 6 October 2019 16: 20
              -2
              Quote: Arthur 85
              Since Americans are withdrawing from all agreements, why should we be shy?

              who brainwashed you, which of all?
              START treaties still valid ...
              1. Errr
                Errr 6 October 2019 17: 39
                +3
                Quote: SovAr238A
                START treaties still valid ...
                Of the Russian-American treaties on the reduction and limitation of strategic offensive arms, only one single treaty is currently in force. This is START III. Its action expires in less than a year and a half, namely February 5, 2021. The problem with its extension may well be the disinterest in the American side. In any case, at the moment, there is nothing encouraging in terms of containing the nuclear arms race on the part of Washington. Rather, it’s quite the opposite - there is a burning desire in Washington to pump up American thermonuclear muscles.
                1. shahor
                  shahor 6 October 2019 18: 00
                  +5
                  Quote: Herrr
                  nothing encouraging in terms of deterring the nuclear arms race by Washington is not observed. Rather, it’s quite the opposite - there is a burning desire in Washington to pump up American thermonuclear muscles.
                  Reply

                  Well, yes, we are building peaceful Sarmatians - and these bastards do not even react. We are the Vanguards, and they, villains, pump thermonuclear muscles ...
                  1. Errr
                    Errr 6 October 2019 18: 25
                    +6
                    I understand your irony, but the Sarmatians should replace the old (not so much morally as physically) Soviet R-36M2 Voevoda missiles, which are in service with the Strategic Missile Forces, and the Vanguards are simply warheads of a new type. Yes, they are more effective than non-planning ones. So what? Replacing old carriers with new technical means of delivering "reciprocal thanks" to a potential foe is in no way a violation of START III by Russia. It's just a process of keeping containment systems in working (and trouble-free, which is important) condition, nothing more.
                    1. shahor
                      shahor 7 October 2019 10: 33
                      0
                      Quote: Herrr
                      in no way constitutes a violation of START III by Russia. This is simply the process of maintaining deterrence systems in working (and trouble-free, which is important) condition, nothing more.

                      Of course, Russia does not violate the START restriction treaty. The point is that Russia is modernizing its strategic nuclear forces, and the United States is not doing this (yet?). But for some reason someone here blames them for pumping up nuclear muscles. Nevertheless, we will be objective and let's not, like buttocks, repeat the cliches of the propagandists of the yellow press.
                      1. Errr
                        Errr 7 October 2019 18: 40
                        0
                        My words about Washington wish To pump up American thermonuclear muscles, to my great regret, they have absolutely nothing to do with either the Kremlin propaganda, or, moreover, with the tabloids. Alas and ah. I don’t eat such garbage. If you suddenly do not know, then, with your permission, I will express myself very briefly here and now on this topic. With the reduction in the number of strategic nuclear warheads, the "extremely poor USA" did not get rid of their radioactive components irrevocably, but simply stored them, converting the latter into a form from which they can subsequently (if necessary) be restored, citing the lack of funds for irrevocable their disposal. And at the same time, "Russia, which was awesomely spoiled by excess money," established the production of MOX fuel for nuclear power plants from Russian weapons-grade plutonium to be destroyed at the mining and chemical plant in Zheleznogorsk. If you are interested in the details, read the links:
                        http://publicatom.ru/blog/Belnpp/19861.html
                        http://www.politonline.ru/interview/22885926.html
          2. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 6 October 2019 16: 19
            +10
            Quote: yaros
            You don’t have to leave the base to shoot Borea, actually I would like to see how you drive these boats into the Kola Bay ... passing Severomorsk and the sonar networks that are packed there ... but you could always get away from them, despite on your fantasies ...


            In order for Boreas to strike from the pier at a dangerous moment, he must always have a full team on board in a constant state of the "Battle Alert" mode ...
            Always.
            Only at this moment he will be able to launch the first rocket 3-4 minutes after receiving the order.
            What do you agree - from the category of fiction.

            And why?
            Yes, because if the adversary makes his first blow, then the Tridents with the Nuts from the Norwegian and Greenland waters and even from the Barents Seas will fly first ... and Kamchatka from the Bering Sea or the Pacific Ocean in the Aleutian Islands.
            And the flight time of the same Trident from such a distance will be 5-6 minutes.
            and the first places to go under the nuclear strike are precisely the places where our SSBNs are concentrated.
            Given the time of detecting a missile launch, confirming the reality of the attack, bringing the Supreme Commander, his thought process, ordering a retaliatory strike, passing an order, receiving it, understanding the team, starting the process of bringing the rocket to launch and launching itself - all our bases will already be destroyed.
            Together with the Boreas standing in the bases.
            Although ion can and from the pier - but they just do not have enough time.
            And no chance of a retaliatory strike from the pier - zero point, zero point.

            The only retaliation is when the boat is really in the depths and depths, when it is really secretive and is not accompanied by the enemy nuclear submarines - only then there will be a retaliatory strike from under the water.
            1. yaros
              yaros 6 October 2019 19: 24
              0
              You have a computer game, it turns out some attack, others don’t do anything ... funny logic, all the boats are on the joke, the Strategic Missile Forces smokes, the missile defense is cut into cards .... strategists are gathering dust at the airfields ... but nothing of the US missile defense the order is weaker, and it always has been, and while you are firing on boats, missiles are flying towards the hypersound from the middle Urals, and none of the modern missile defense systems will stop them .... That's why it is a triad to compensate each other ...
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 6 October 2019 19: 49
                +2
                Quote: yaros
                You have a computer game, it turns out some attack, others don’t do anything ... funny logic, all the boats are on the joke, the Strategic Missile Forces smokes, the missile defense is cut into cards .... strategists are gathering dust at the airfields ... but nothing of the US missile defense the order is weaker, and it always has been, and while you are firing on boats, missiles are flying towards the hypersound from the middle Urals, and none of the modern missile defense systems will stop them .... That's why it is a triad to compensate each other ...


                The triad is only for the case of its first strike.
                In case of a sudden enemy strike - the answer can only be from those on the combat duty of the BR and SSBNs who are on combat duty.
                Aviation and SSBNs in the database - you can not count - they will not be in time and will not help.

                And these are not computer toys - this is a simple time ...
            2. Serg4545
              Serg4545 7 October 2019 10: 10
              0
              // So that at a dangerous moment Boreas can hit from the pier - he must always have a full team on board in a constant state of the "Combat alert" mode ...
              Is always.//

              Is the whole team straight?
              Why do we need a torpedo compartment command to launch ballistic missiles? Or engine specialists?

              In fact, to launch ballistic missiles you need:
              1) The presence of electrical energy on the control panels.
              2) 2 people who control each other will enter commands and press the "red" buttons.

              Electricity is always on the submarine.
              And 2 people who are responsible for launching missiles are also always on the ship. In shifts. That is, if the commander leaves the ship, then a specific person remains for him, who will launch rockets in the same way.

              It is not necessary to consider those responsible for strategic forces trays. In fact, such paranoid people are sitting there, you never dreamed of! Therefore, they provided for everything and the launch of missiles will take place within a couple of minutes from the receipt of the order.
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 7 October 2019 20: 15
                0
                Quote: Serg4545

                In fact, to launch ballistic missiles you need:
                1) The presence of electrical energy on the control panels.
                2) 2 people who control each other will enter commands and press the "red" buttons.

                Electricity is always on the submarine.
                And 2 people who are responsible for launching missiles are also always on the ship. In shifts. That is, if the commander leaves the ship, then a specific person remains for him, who will launch rockets in the same way.


                one question.
                And who will carry out differentiation as rockets are launched?
                1. Serg4545
                  Serg4545 8 October 2019 15: 56
                  0
                  Perhaps launching missiles sequentially, from the bow and then the stern launchers, does not create a negative trim.
                  In the end, ballistic missile boats have been designing for half a century. And such situations were probably laid during the project)
          3. Avior
            Avior 6 October 2019 19: 36
            +1
            But shouldn't he sink? Enough depth at the base?
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 6 October 2019 20: 35
              -1
              Quote: Avior
              But shouldn't he sink? Enough depth at the base?

              No. should not.
              Not always boats patrol in the ocean with clean water.
              Launches from the Arctic Ocean - 90% will be from the surface state, since the boat will need to break through the ice to launch.
              1. Avior
                Avior 6 October 2019 21: 41
                +2
                I remember something like this, I had to read that you can’t shoot from the pier because of the shallow depth, but there was talk about some specific boats and piers, or I can’t remember now
            2. Nehist
              Nehist 6 October 2019 21: 01
              +2
              It’s definitely not enough at the base
      2. Cyrus
        Cyrus 6 October 2019 17: 39
        0
        But on board our RPKSN almost 700 warheads (
    3. rocket757
      rocket757 6 October 2019 15: 11
      +1
      Ideas without funds for their implementation are nothing.
      And there are reliable and effective methods to protect YOUR databases.
      Another question, our boats do not have many routes to go around the corner.
      In general, defense doctrine always has certain flaws, but it is definitely cheaper and currently available, unlike offensive.
      1. Arthur 85
        Arthur 85 6 October 2019 15: 13
        +7
        What does the base have to do with it? A boat in the ocean, or when leaving this base, who will protect? Varshavyanka?
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 6 October 2019 15: 25
          0
          Quote: Arthur 85
          What does the base have to do with it? A boat in the ocean, or when leaving this base, who will protect? Varshavyanka?

          Answered to
          Quote: Arthur 85
          I’m wondering: all these 33 virgins will be standing at the exit from the base of our SSGNs with open torpedo tubes. Who has ideas on how to deal with this?

          There was a question about exits from the bases.
        2. Doctor
          Doctor 6 October 2019 16: 04
          +6
          What does the base have to do with it? A boat in the ocean, or when leaving this base, who will protect? Varshavyanka?

          No matter how perverted, you need to start with a high-quality frigate PLO. With a powerful combined gas and 2 helicopters.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 6 October 2019 17: 49
            +1
            Different methods and means are needed, the main thing is that it be a single, effective complex.
          2. yaros
            yaros 6 October 2019 19: 58
            0
            And how will it help you under the Arctic ice, or the Americans?
            1. Doctor
              Doctor 6 October 2019 20: 53
              +1

              And how will it help you under the Arctic ice, or the Americans?

              No way. But for most of the year, most of the Barents and Okhotsk seas are ice-free.
              1. yaros
                yaros 6 October 2019 21: 05
                +2
                )) And what about Kara too ?? Well, with many people, geography is now a bad hydrologist by training, and my wife teaches oceanology at the university .. her students there are sailing around the polar seas. Well, where do we have such knowledge? And Batenka, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk does not belong to the Arctic ..... this is just in case.
                1. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A 6 October 2019 21: 28
                  0
                  Quote: yaros
                  )) And what about Kara too ?? Well, with many people, geography is now a bad hydrologist by training, and my wife teaches oceanology at the university .. her students there are sailing around the polar seas. Well, where do we have such knowledge? And Batenka, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk does not belong to the Arctic ..... this is just in case.

                  Who needs the Kara Sea if it has no strategic value?
                  1. yaros
                    yaros 6 October 2019 21: 58
                    +1
                    )) In fact, this is one of the main areas of duty of our nuclear submarines, by the way, it was still under the USSR, though it was easier then with an exit, they often walked along Barentsov surface .... often it’s more difficult through our well-controlled straits, and to year-round ice .... And there you will find figs ...
                2. Doctor
                  Doctor 7 October 2019 10: 13
                  0
                  And Batenka, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk does not belong to the Arctic ..... this is just in case.

                  This is clear. It’s just that our SSBN patrol zone is also there.
                  By the way, a question for you, a hydrologist, has the ice situation in these areas changed dramatically in the last 30 years? Given the "global warming"?
                  1. yaros
                    yaros 7 October 2019 10: 56
                    +1
                    The issue is controversial, for there have been many such warmings and cooling over the entire period of the Earth’s existence, but the situation has changed over the past 30 years, Barentsovo is almost open from ice for almost the whole year, the main centuries-old ice is now behind New Earth, Greenland and the North Atlantic have almost freed .... There wasn’t anything before, but again it is connected with large climatic cycles.
          3. Nehist
            Nehist 6 October 2019 21: 03
            +4
            Do not believe it! Begin with minesweepers. We have not one Navy does not have a normal outfit of sweeping forces ...
      2. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 6 October 2019 15: 15
        -2
        Victor, I categorically welcome! soldier
        Quote: rocket757
        without funds for their implementation, nothing

        The main thing is to grunt louder. yes
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 6 October 2019 15: 28
          +1
          Honestly, I do not understand. Who grunted about what?
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 6 October 2019 15: 31
            0
            Friendly, they grunt against ... yes
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 6 October 2019 15: 48
              +1
              hello Pasha soldier
              Our goals are different.
              It’s easy for someone ... to criticize and explain / prove to someone how everything is with us, everything is bad, bad and even worse.
              We have a goal to understand for ourselves and .... if there is something to criticize, where to explain and help to figure it out.
              About the fact that we are ready, we are doing everything we can to ensure that the country grows stronger and lives better in it ALL, is not even discussed. On that and stand!
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 7 October 2019 19: 26
                +1
                Quote: rocket757
                On that and stand!

                And we will stand, Vitya, salute! soldier
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 7 October 2019 20: 26
                  +1
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  Quote: rocket757
                  On that and stand!

                  And we will stand, Vitya, salute! soldier

                  Hi soldier
                  If you just look around, then the military theme is not the most "bright" now. Everything is going more or less evenly and clearly!
                  Now in the world the "green" theme plays in such a way that normal people's brains begin to boil.
                  The frantic Gretta puts everyone on his ears .... sort of like a veil over a big redistribution of influence and babosiks, respectively.
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 7 October 2019 20: 39
                    +1
                    Quote: rocket757
                    The frantic Gretta puts everyone on his ears ....

                    Uh-huh, "a kind but ill-informed teenager." No.
                    Quote: rocket757
                    the military topic is not the most "bright" now

                    Because someone tricky decided to go a workaround. yes
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 7 October 2019 20: 56
                      +1
                      Quote: bouncyhunter
                      Because someone tricky decided to go a workaround.

                      You might think that the green ones were launched as a distraction, but such babosiks are tied up there, and events with noise, din ... someone got really messy!
                      1. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 7 October 2019 21: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Someone cool muddied!

                        Someone ? And why does it seem to me that I know the color of the ears of this "someone"? wink
      3. donavi49
        donavi49 6 October 2019 15: 29
        +6
        Well, the question arises, why do SSBNs, that is, Boreas? If in order for them to shoot off the base, then this is very expensive. For one bore, you can buy conditional 100 PGRK, which will also survive in a larger number in the event of a first sudden strike.

        The meaning of SSBNs is dagger strikes of retaliation. And strikes from areas not covered by missile defense. However, to accomplish this, ICAPL is needed in sufficient numbers. Otherwise, SSBNs will shoot from the bases - being a large, expensive and extremely vulnerable PGRK. Or break through for luck = where each Virginia interception is -16 carriers from 527 total deployed on START3. That is, here, it’s more profitable to build a PGRK, because if they are covered, it’s probably partially (well, for example, the same 16 go along the 4 - 4 routes = this will require at least a lot of effort and money to destroy).
        1. Arthur 85
          Arthur 85 6 October 2019 15: 32
          +3
          You can build another hundred silos for that money. It is possible to revive railway complexes. It is possible to launch a flooded barge into the Caspian Sea on the model of a sunken dock with 8 * 8 missile silos from Boreev. Neither Elk nor Virgin will get them there. Since Americans are withdrawing from all agreements, why should we be shy?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 6 October 2019 15: 56
            0
            The goal is one, but serious and justified. Take away the starting positions of the retaliation weapon from where their flight paths will not cross the missile defense position areas of the alleged aggressor. No one has a solid missile defense cover, not the whole planet is being watched for now.
      4. Cyrus
        Cyrus 6 October 2019 17: 41
        +2
        Why all of a sudden? A nuclear submarine with missiles is grazing at our bases, and there is nothing stopping you from hitting the SSBNs at the Persians and on duty at night = -700 warheads out of 1600 available at an hour.
    4. Serg4545
      Serg4545 6 October 2019 15: 14
      +2
      // Yeah. I’m wondering: all these 33 virgins will be standing at the exit from the base of our SSGNs with open torpedo tubes. //

      It is a question or a statement?
      If the question is, the answer is:
      No, everyone will not. For a part will definitely be under repair. I don’t know the statistics of how many shock boats in repair docks they spend, but Aviks go about six months, a year in repair.
      Further, not only are we in the opponents of the United States. In China, part of the boats must be allocated. Now North Korea needs attention. India maybe Pakistan. And many more where the presence of these boats may be needed. As far as I remember, 1-2 shock boats are necessarily included in the AUG order.
      So out of the total number, maybe heels are spinning somewhere near our bases.
      1. Arthur 85
        Arthur 85 6 October 2019 15: 20
        0
        Well, for that matter, it’s not just that they have Virginia. Once again, I’ll specify: in the pre-war period, all boats without holes in the hull will be at sea, albeit on oars. Task number 1 of these boats is to destroy the marine component of our triad. For the sake of this, one can neglect China, Korea, the protection of the AUG and its shores. And they will be ready to torpedo the Boreas upon leaving the base, and if they do not leave, deliver a massive SLCM strike. In my opinion, this is clear as a white day.
        1. Serg4545
          Serg4545 6 October 2019 15: 31
          0
          // in the pre-war period, all boats //
          And right there

          // And they will be ready to torpedo the Boreas upon exiting the base //

          Torpedo, this is war!
          You will decide what we are talking about. Or about military-political tension (and then Borea will not be torpedoed).
          Or about the war (then the Boreas will not go anywhere, they will shoot from the pier. And the strike by cruise missiles at the base is clearly delayed, because they have no ice speed.).
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 6 October 2019 17: 36
            0
            Well, again, I repeat - if it all comes down to the house and shoot from the pier. Why then buy a boat to the containers? You can buy additional MZKT, they also shoot perfectly from about the same area (and also from the forest, from the taiga, from where it is much more difficult to catch them). To surrender to the same 16 missiles, which in terms of combat stability and effectiveness will be even better Bulav = you can buy a couple of Armat divisions or a fifth-generation squadron with full equipment and ammunition.
          2. Arthur 85
            Arthur 85 6 October 2019 18: 48
            0
            * American boats.
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 6 October 2019 15: 31
          0
          Near someone else’s bases, no one feels comfortable for objective reasons.
          The submarine is an ocean fleet, it needs room for maneuver, and not a game, cat and mouse, with alien anti-submarine forces!
          1. Arthur 85
            Arthur 85 6 October 2019 15: 38
            +4
            Uh And what's the point then in general in these boats? What will they do in the ocean? Merchants nightmare? So for that, the nuclear submarine is redundant. Well, this is not a strategist, this is a hunter for other people's boats, and a little bearer of axes, but very little.
      2. Cyrus
        Cyrus 6 October 2019 17: 43
        0
        In the threatened period, there will be enough of them.
    5. Tusv
      Tusv 6 October 2019 15: 27
      +4
      Quote: Arthur 85
      Yeah. I’m wondering: all these 33 virgins will be standing at the exit from the base of our SSGNs with open torpedo tubes. Anyone have ideas on how to deal with this?

      And really. 33 virgins and a pair of Si Wulfs are not at all funny. Option Glavkom Yeltsin beat from the pier does not suit. Will cover first of all. A PLARK We have a cat cried. With Hunters, finally, misfortune
    6. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 October 2019 15: 39
      +1
      There are MSM mines against these apl and all warships
      so let them come into our territorial waters
      1. Arthur 85
        Arthur 85 6 October 2019 15: 42
        +3
        I would like to believe in this, of course, and sleep soundly, but something tells me that they are taking this opportunity into account. And by low noise they are ahead ... By the way, what is this field around the torpedo?
      2. Nehist
        Nehist 6 October 2019 16: 48
        0
        Gg yes they graze in our terr. waters in Okhotsk for example
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 6 October 2019 23: 41
          -3
          After an official statement on the mining of our waters, in the event of an aggravation of the situation, all foreign nuclear submarines will leave and no one will risk them.
          1. Avior
            Avior 6 October 2019 23: 49
            0
            Tervody is 24 km away.
            Further international, you can’t mine them in peacetime
    7. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 6 October 2019 16: 23
      +2
      It is necessary for them to be quietly there recently, for example, to conduct bombing exercises more often in the places where they are supposed to be located can sober up an "accidental" strike by a training torpedo.
      1. Cyrus
        Cyrus 6 October 2019 17: 43
        +1
        Yeah with all your favorite MKRs))
    8. Vadivak
      Vadivak 6 October 2019 18: 41
      0
      Quote: Arthur 85
      Anyone have ideas on how to deal with this?

      The Chinese will come to sort it out
  4. Meliodous
    Meliodous 6 October 2019 14: 28
    +4
    Well done, sculpt like pies. Our study and study
  5. Lexus
    Lexus 6 October 2019 15: 01
    +1
    The case when they do not rush to extremes. And they build new aircraft carriers, and have a powerful submarine fleet, and do not "reason" about the need for this or that. A combat-ready fleet is needed here and now, and not sometime in the ever-shifting "right" future.
    1. Cyrus
      Cyrus 6 October 2019 17: 44
      0
      I agree, but it may not come.
  6. Karabas
    Karabas 6 October 2019 15: 04
    -2
    What is it under her nose? Sewer hatch?
    1. Avior
      Avior 6 October 2019 19: 42
      0
      Probably a lock chamber for divers
  7. Vadim T.
    Vadim T. 6 October 2019 15: 08
    +4
    This is a new generation nuclear submarine, almost silent and inconspicuous, with a long range. The enemy is very serious. It will be with him that the “Varshavyanka” and the Borey will have to compete in the World Ocean. ”It will be difficult for our submariners.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 6 October 2019 16: 23
      -3
      Quote: Vadim T.
      The enemy is very serious. It will be with him that the “Varshavyanka” and the Borey will have to compete in the World Ocean. ”It will be difficult for our submariners.

      So the Ash and Varshavyanka are called to guard the Boreas and fight these monsters. Don't be confused hi
      There are few of them, but still in vests. In the meantime, let's hope that Virginia is for the ears of Our acousticians at a glance. Recent articles on Virginia's noise are encouraging. Roofing felts Our sonars track them, the roofing felts and really the sheathing makes too much noise. But let's say to the shores of S. Korea, Trump has sworn to nominate AUGi. I'm not under no illusion. They will repair and send, and there our "outdated bookcases" will hunt again
  8. EDWARD
    EDWARD 6 October 2019 15: 17
    +4
    "The keel of the submarine was laid down on July 8, 2017" - once we were building at such a pace ..
  9. 9PA
    9PA 6 October 2019 15: 19
    -4
    Here it is interesting to me:
    they are overseas, import-independent (relatively), technologically independent, they turn money into advanced technologies. What is their main goal? Break away (unattainable, like African rebels and jet thrust) from the rest. First of all, from China, Japan, South Cor and Europe. How to achieve this? Arrange local (relatively) conflicts. North Korea is at hand with South Korea and Japan. Arrange continental mess Russia Europe. With the destruction of the industrial potential of Europe and the military potential of Russia. But how are they going to extinguish China? What will become evidence of readiness for the last battle - the technological revolution? When will we see the end of our country? We only have weapons, doesn’t this seem strange. Vladimir in the service of the devil
  10. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 6 October 2019 16: 03
    -1
    The US Navy held a “baptism” ceremony for a Virginia-class submarine.
    And on the belly hatch, like a tank. feel Leave an imperceptibly wrecked submarine? request So she will lay them on the ground. Well dumb fellow
  11. FORCE 38GB
    FORCE 38GB 6 October 2019 16: 17
    0
    Build and build ... When you already have a machine then the printing will be turned off!? !! ????: (((
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 October 2019 16: 22
      -3
      Yes, let them build.
      1. Karabas
        Karabas 6 October 2019 17: 55
        +1
        Yes, let them build.

        Will not work. Our money (stolen in various ways through chinota mostly) is spent.
    2. Arturov
      Arturov 6 October 2019 16: 49
      -1
      Quote: FORCE 38RUS
      When you already have a machine then the printing will be turned off!? !! ????: (((

      there is demand, there is supply, if there was no demand for the dollar, then they would have inflation exceeding all reasonable limits. No one can simply take and print trillions of their candy wrappers without consequences, especially for themselves.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 7 October 2019 06: 48
        +1
        Nonsense. Demand for $ they create themselves, hammering everyone on the head. And we twitched and China, and Iran, and Turkey, and even India did not mind, but sanctions .......
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 7 October 2019 23: 21
          0
          The USSR did not care about all their sanctions and attempts to impose their will. Do you know why?
  12. Revival
    Revival 8 October 2019 00: 46
    0
    Laid down at 17 and already built?
    Hmm ..
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