The Entente’s victory is the victory of Russia. Who is to blame for the outbreak of World War I?

100 years of the end of the First World War, 100 anniversary of the signing of the Treaty of Versailles ...



Emperor Nicholas II and Kaiser Wilhelm II


Events of milestone significance - not only for Europe, but for the whole world. We will try to evaluate the results and consequences of these events by seeing the contribution of each of the Entente countries and the Allies of the Entente, which they made to the altar of the common Victory. Victories - for which Imperial Russia has done so much.

We are starting a series of articles devoted to key aspects of the Great War - first of all, the contribution of each of the Entente powers and the allies of the Entente to the common victory over the German bloc, and we will try to see if the Entente’s victory was also a victory of Russia as a state that made more than substantial a contribution to its achievement. And they called it "Entente Victory - the victory of Russia."

But let's start with the fundamental question: who is directly responsible for unleashing the First World War, who was the aggressor? Dates (for better synchronization with events in the West) - are given in the text of the article in a new style.

We wrote about the relationship between Russia and the Entente and the place of our state in this military-political bloc, about the goals and objectives of Russia in the First World War (see Entente did not forget about the contribution of Russia; A or G ?; Chantilly. Part. Xnumx; Chantilly. Part of 2; 8 Facts About Drang Nach Osten 1914 of the Year; For which the Russian soldier fought in the First World War)

Events related to the July crisis and the outbreak of the First World War were associated with the actions of two emperors - Nicholas II and William II. Earlier on Military Review, an article was published on the nature and specifics of the relationship between the monarchs of Russia and Germany. Interesting assessments of their personalities by contemporaries were also given. So, the German diplomat A. von Rex noted that, based on personal impressions, he considers Nicholas II a spiritually gifted person of a noble way of thinking, tactful and prudent; moreover, modesty and a small manifestation of external determination made it possible to conclude that he allegedly lacked a strong will - while he had a very definite will, which he calmly carried out firmly. The British diplomat J. Buchanan described the Russian Sovereign as a frank, intelligent and very attentive person, requiring directness from the interlocutor and answering the same. And the French president, E. F. Loubet, characterized the Russian emperor as an intelligent, insightful and devoted leader to his ideas. The Frenchman noted that the Russian emperor had predetermined plans, which he gradually implemented; and under visible timidity, the king possessed a courageous and faithful heart, as well as a strong soul, and knew what he wanted and where he was going.



The opposite was the German Kaiser Wilhelm II - a man of posture, external surroundings and a big word, a collector of uniforms and ranks. Reich Chancellor O. von Bismarck noted for William craving for splendor, court ceremonial and sensitivity to flattery. By the way, the court of the Russian emperor after the revolutionary events that followed the Russo-Japanese War lost its former meaning, and the family of Nicholas II began to live in isolation, and even the magnificent balls that the Winter Palace was once famous for, retreated to the past. Another Reich Chancellor, von Bülow, wrote that William loved cheap fame and was vain. Kaiser was rude and ill-bred - again, being in this sense the complete opposite of Nicholas II. It is worth noting that William II was confident that the monarch could conduct his own, personal, politics - without consulting the government and diplomats, and neglecting the established procedures.

The differences between Nicholas II and William II in approaches to world politics were also significant.

If the Russian emperor was almost the only European and world leader who strove (not in words but in action) to prevent a great military conflict, then the Kaiser strove for such a war with all his heart - as an opportunity to reconsider the question of the situation of Germany in Europe and the world. Nicholas II was the initiator of the convening of a peace conference in The Hague - designed not only to prevent an impending war, but also to minimize military conflicts on Earth as a whole. The Hague Peace Conferences were prepared and opened only thanks to his perseverance. Moreover, the Russian emperor took this important step long before the start of the Great War. As far back as 1898, he turned to the governments of European countries with a proposal to sign agreements on maintaining global peace and limiting the growth of armaments. The Hague Peace Conferences took place in 1899 and 1907.

The Russian emperor was faithful to the principles of compliance with international law after the outbreak of war. The document, published in Niva and placed just below, is an illustration of these words.



At the same time, Wilhelm was only worried about saving face - he did not want to be accused of inciting a world war, successfully masking his true motives behind the guise of a “peacemaker”.

The French historian of the era of J. de Lapradel noted that the world was struck by the fact that the head of a great power, the powerful monarch Nicholas II, was a champion of peace and disarmament - and thanks to his perseverance, the Hague Conference was prepared and opened. At the same time, Wilhelm II wrote on the report of O. von Bülow about the outcome of the Hague Conference that he agreed "to this stupidity" only so as not to "disgrace himself before Europe." But in practice, as the German emperor wrote, he will rely only on his sword.

The Russian Empire did not provoke other countries to unleash the Great War. The rearmament program of the Russian army was to be completed only by 1917, therefore, in 1914, Russia was in no way ready for military operations. In accordance with this program, the army of peacetime increased to 1 million 700 thousand people, and in artillery terms Russia was compared with Germany and even superior to the latter (with more battalions, the Russian corps surpassed the German one and in the number of artillery barrels instead of the ratio of 108 to 160 turned 200 to 160). To win a victory over such a Russian army became even more problematic - and this circumstance became an important factor in the outbreak of war by the German bloc precisely in 1914.



By the way, the differences between the monarchs manifested themselves in a critical situation - the situation of the beginning of revolutions in their states. And on the issue of responsibility for what was happening, their approach was diametrically opposed. Nicholas II an alternative to fill the country with blood, taking on his conscience the massacres, preferred otherwise. He recalled the troops called up from the front and sent to Petrograd (unconditionally loyal to the emperor at that time), sending a telegram to the Chairman of the State Duma saying that there was no sacrifice he would not bring for Russia. And - he sacrificed personal power, allowing the people to determine their own destiny. Wilhelm II, learning about the revolutionary events in Berlin, said that he would gather troops and "smash the city to smithereens." When the army refused to obey, the Kaiser called the German people “a herd of pigs” and, leaving his spouse, rushed off to the Dutch border (again, comparable to the behavior of Nicholas II).



Corresponding was the behavior of the monarchs at the time of the crisis preceding the outbreak of the First World War.

As you know, on 28 on June 1914, the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne and his wife in Sarajevo were killed by Serbian terrorists. The reaction to this event was restrained. But events developed - and on the 23 of July, Austria-Hungary presents an ultimatum to Serbia. Despite the difficult conditions of the latter, Serbia agreed with all its requirements except one - the admission of Austrian officials and investigators to its territory. And on the 26 of July, Austria-Hungary begins the mobilization and concentration of its troops on the borders of Russia and Serbia. On July 28, Austria-Hungary declares war on Serbia and invades the territory of the latter.

What does Nicholas II do? Understanding perfectly that the Austrians would not have risked the above actions without the direct support of the senior partner of the Triple Alliance - Germany - sends a telegram to William II with a proposal: to refer the Austro-Serbian issue to the international arbitration court in The Hague.

Here it is.



We see that Nicholas II did everything to prevent conflict. Here it is - a way out of this situation, a way to localize and freeze the conflict that has flared up, to prevent it from spreading across Europe.

However, William II left the peace proposal unanswered.

He answered as follows (see below), ignoring the proposal to consider the conflict in the international arbitration court and shifting responsibility to the partner. Germany and Austria-Hungary, longing for a border revision, needed a war.

The Entente’s victory is the victory of Russia. Who is to blame for the outbreak of World War I?


But even in the field of discussion proposed by William, the Russian emperor tried to prevent a slide into armed conflict (see document below).



Unprotected by the threat of the Austrian forces concentrated in Galicia, Russia also announces the mobilization on July 31.

And then Wilhelm presents Russia with an ultimatum: stop mobilization. Demanding that Russia cease mobilization, Germany starts its own on the same day.

Gesture master William II is trying to shift the responsibility for a possible conflict to the opponent - by informing Nicholas II about this. Moreover, this document was received by Russia after Germany declared war on it (see below).




And finally, after the German ultimatum is rejected, on the 1 of August Germany declares war on Russia. Russia declares war on Germany in response - the next day.




Now let's see what aggression is. According to the provisions of the III Hague Convention 1907, the state of war must be preceded by a warning about this - in the form of a reasonable declaration of war or an ultimatum with a conditional declaration of war. UN General Assembly Resolution No. 3314 of 14. 12. 1974 G. defines the following actions as acts of aggression:

the invasion of the armed forces of the aggressor into the territory of another state, the annexation or occupation (even temporary) of this territory;
application weapons (e.g. bombing) against the territory of another state;
blockade of the coast or ports of another state;
a blow to the armed forces of another state;
the use of armed forces located in the territory of another state on the basis of an agreement with the latter, in violation of the terms of such an agreement, as well as their stay in such territory after the expiration of the agreement;
provision of territory for aggression by the 3 state against another state;
sending gangs, mercenaries, etc. on behalf of the aggressor state; these groups must carry out acts of armed struggle against another state, comparable in seriousness to the previous paragraphs.

It was Germany that prompted Austria-Hungary to invade Serbia, knowing full well what this conflict could escalate into. Germany and Austria-Hungary began fighting in Europe, declaring war on Russia and France. Finally, they violated international treaties by invading Luxembourg and Belgium and thereby drawing Britain into conflict.

Speaking about the aggression of the German bloc, we want to draw the reader's attention to the following crucial fact. The fact is that already on the night of August 1 (that is, BEFORE Germany declared the war of Russia), German troops attacked and without a fight captured the cities of Bendin and Kalisz. That is, they committed a clear act of aggression against the territory of the Russian Empire - chronologically preceding the declaration of war. On August 2, the Germans bombarded Libau and capture the defenseless Czestochowa.


Here is the chronology of these events, as recorded in the Annals of the 1914 War of the year. Vol. 1. C. 24. (dates - in the old style).


We emphasize this fact, because at that time the Russian troops did not take any active action and did not cross the border - the cavalry commanders closest to this line were "informed that there is no war, but you must be extremely careful, because the Germans can attack without declaring war" . Already on the 30 of July on the line of Volkovishki, Kalvariya, Suvalki, 20 - 30 km from the border of East Prussia there were 7 Russian cavalry regiments with 24 guns and 16 machine guns, but orders were received in the units early in the morning of the 31 July that forbid receiving special telegram the opening of hostilities. General Khan Nakhichevan gave order No. 1 to the army cavalry of the Vilnius Army, which indicated that even individual shots on the border from the Germans were not considered a declaration of war, and only the transfer of armed units was considered the opening of hostilities.

Only at 18 hours of 2 on August, that is, after Russia’s return declaration of war on Germany, the decision is made to move the cavalry of the North-Western Front to the German border (Rogvold V. The cavalry of the 1 Army in East Prussia. 1926. C. 20.).

As you know, Germany intended to defeat France before the "slow" Russia could mobilize and push its army to the borders. The essence of the plan for a blitzkrieg was summarized by Kaiser Wilhelm II in the following sentence: "We will have lunch in Paris and dinner in St. Petersburg."



However, starting military operations unexpectedly quickly, without completing general mobilization, Emperor Nicholas II upset the far-reaching plans of the leadership of the German bloc. He did not allow to defeat France, which was weak at that time, and only then send all his forces to Russia, and forced the Kaiser to wage war on two fronts - which ultimately predetermined the whole further course and outcome of the First World War.


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  1. Far B 9 October 2019 05: 56 New
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    Panegyric king-rag ??? Hand face...
    1. Hantengri 9 October 2019 07: 50 New
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      Quote: Far In
      Panegyric king-rag ??? Hand face...

      Definitely. My monitor has already become sober.
      1. Dalton 9 October 2019 08: 16 New
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        As they say - who sees what guys
        1. Hantengri 9 October 2019 18: 27 New
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          Quote: Dalton

          As they say - who sees what guys

          We perfectly saw everything that the author wanted to show. Summary of the article: Nicky was pretty and Willy was ugly. For this good reason, World War I happened!
      2. 3x3zsave 9 October 2019 12: 02 New
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        Igor! Wipe urgently! Transformer oil adversely affects electronics. laughing
        1. Hantengri 9 October 2019 18: 47 New
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          Nah. I’ll put it in a basin - let it be myrrh streaming! Then through the bubbles ... Some will spit on him. Others are smeared, to strengthen the monarchist spirit. In short, the business market is a win-win! laughing
          1. 3x3zsave 9 October 2019 19: 07 New
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            Pancake! I somehow did not think about this.
            On the other hand, one basin should be consecrated, the other - anathematized. And it costs money!
            1. Hantengri 9 October 2019 19: 31 New
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              That's the problem already! Put in the price and the whole business! By the way, thanks for the reminder of the "anathema" and "sanctify." Portable anathematizers and consecrators can be offered as related products. Remember S. Lemma?
              This great-grandfather, Jeremiah the Quiet, was one of the most prominent
              representatives of our kind. He was brought up in the house of his older brother
              Cupronickel, a cybernetics and inventor known for his piety.
              Being far from radicalism, Cupronickel did not set himself the task
              automate the service as a whole, he just wanted to allow wide
              to the masses of the clergy, for which he constructed several trouble-free,
              high-speed and easy-to-maintain devices, such as an anatomic device,
              a radiator, as well as a special apparatus for cursing with a reverse stroke
              (so that you can remove the curse). Unfortunately, his works were not found.
              confessions from those for whom he tried, more than that - they were condemned as
              heretical; then he, according to his generosity, provided
              a sample of the excommunicator at the disposal of his parish priest,
              volunteering to test the device on himself. Alas, even this was denied to him.
              Saddened, disappointed, he abandoned the started projects and switched -
              but only as an engineer - on the religion of the East. Still known
              Buddhist prayer mills electrified by him, especially
              high-speed models delivering up to 18000 prayers per minute.
              "The Star Diaries of John the Pacific. Journey Eighth."
              1. 3x3zsave 9 October 2019 19: 49 New
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                Alas, Igor, I do not remember. Of Lem, Eden was most impressed. “Solaris”, well, somehow, “past the cash register”. As for the "Diaries", in my opinion, a good answer to Harrison with his "Bill."
                1. Hantengri 9 October 2019 21: 16 New
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                  By the way, Solaris didn’t “come in” to me either.
                  1. 3x3zsave 9 October 2019 21: 28 New
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                    Probably, Solaris is worth reading at a more mature age than we grabbed it. All the same, "psychiatric drama"
              2. Catfish 9 October 2019 20: 59 New
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                Hi Igor. hi And what is this Jon told, Thursday or Pyatnitsky? smile
                1. Hantengri 9 October 2019 21: 13 New
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                  hi Yes, someone knows him!
                  The Pauli principle, according to which each individual at any given time can contain one and only one personality, we left far behind the stern. It’s common for us to take the parental baton in the Cosmos, when, due to great speed, several women give birth to all of the same child. (This also applies to fathers.)
                  laughing
                  1. Catfish 9 October 2019 21: 36 New
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                    Thank you Igor, he laughed heartily. smile But here the wife calls for a "ritual guzzle" and I go to devour. wink
        2. not main 9 October 2019 22: 05 New
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          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Igor! Wipe urgently! Transformer oil adversely affects electronics. laughing

          Transformer oil is completely neutral! That's why it is transformer!
          1. 3x3zsave 9 October 2019 22: 07 New
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            Wonderful! Splash half a liter into the bowels of the monitor.
            1. not main 9 October 2019 22: 49 New
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              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Wonderful! Splash half a liter into the bowels of the monitor.

              Did I call for this?
              1. 3x3zsave 9 October 2019 22: 56 New
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                Probably, not. It's just that I have a specific sense of humor, someone shares it, someone does not.
                1. not main 9 October 2019 23: 13 New
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                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  Probably, not. It's just that I have a specific sense of humor, someone shares it, someone does not.

                  Understand! 0.4 kV and 5 volts is a big difference! As the saying goes, "who studied what."
                  1. 3x3zsave 9 October 2019 23: 43 New
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                    It seems to me or really to me, once again someone is trying to "present" something?
                    1. not main 9 October 2019 23: 49 New
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                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      It seems to me or really to me, once again someone is trying to "present" something?

                      Personally, no from me! I don’t know about others!
                      1. 3x3zsave 10 October 2019 00: 33 New
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                        Well and goodies! hi
          2. Avior 10 October 2019 09: 36 New
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            It is hygroscopic, draws moisture from the air and loses its dielectric properties.
            It is used only in closed volumes.
    2. Basil50 9 October 2019 07: 58 New
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      This is the influence of the Russian Orthodox Church, the very one that merged with the * Greek Catholic Orthodox Church Abroad *, the one that served the Nazis and recognized Nicholas as saints and formed the sect of the queen. Recently, the Diocese of Paris joined the Russian Orthodox Church. This is the one that supported the interventionists and then the Nazis. In addition, in the United States, without a * blessing * of the FBI, not a single church or the formation of a new church teaching is possible, there are many examples of reprisals against those who disagree.
      What should I do? Believe the church and what they carry on behalf of Christ?
      By the way, real photos, without photoshop, are much more true for understanding the personality of the king. By the way, the contemporaries of Nicholas, including the clergy, also left a lot of things to their descendants both about the tsar himself and about his attitude to him ......
      1. Olgovich 9 October 2019 08: 44 New
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        Quote: Vasily50
        This is the influence of the Russian Orthodox Church, the one that merged with * Greek Catholic Orthodox Church abroad*

        There is NO such church in the world.
        Quote: Vasily50
        What should I do? Believe the church and what they carry on behalf of Christ?

        Believe the Central Committee of the CPSU, as before: do not change yourself yes
        1. Alexander Suvorov 9 October 2019 08: 56 New
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          There is NO such church in the world.
          Oh how? But does our Metropolitan know that he leads a church that does not exist?
          1. Sergey1987 9 October 2019 17: 46 New
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            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            Oh how? But does our Metropolitan know that he leads a church that does not exist?

            The Russian Orthodox Church never merged with the Greek Catholics.
          2. Senior seaman 9 October 2019 17: 49 New
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            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            But does our Metropolitan know that he leads a church that does not exist?

            I understand that the materiel is not yours, but ...
            The following Greek Catholic churches exist.
            Greek Catholic Church
            Italo-Albanian Catholic Church
            Melkite Greek Catholic Church.
            Albanian Greek Catholic Church
            Belarusian Greek Catholic Church
            Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church
            Hungarian Greek Catholic Church
            Macedonian Greek Catholic Church
            Catholic church of the Byzantine-Slavic rite in Poland
            Russian Greek Catholic Church
            Romanian Greek Catholic Church
            Ruthenian Greek Catholic Church
            Slovak Greek Catholic Church
            Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church
            Croatian Greek Catholic Church (Križević Diocese)

            And that’s all, no by the Greek Catholic Orthodox Church Abroad in nature does not exist, respectively, the Russian Orthodox Church could not unite with it.
            Our patriarch leads the Russian Orthodox Church.
            In general, the word "orthodox" is translated from Greek and means "Orthodox", respectively, the combination - Greek Catholic orthodox church - oxymoron.
            there is also the “Russian Orthodox Church Abroad” which is part of the Moscow Patriarchate on the basis of self-government, but it has nothing to do with Greek Catholics, except for the ritual of the Byzantine type.
            p.s. Do not confuse "Catholic" and "catholic" - these are two different things.
            1. Dersturm 10 October 2019 19: 55 New
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              The amendment - "orthodox" in Greek - "orthodox", "Orthodox" it was replaced during the reforms of Nikon. And even then the "Orthodox" church began to be called only in 1943.
    3. Alexander Suvorov 9 October 2019 08: 30 New
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      Far V (Mikhail)
      Panegyric king-rag ??? Hand face...
      Well, what did you expect from Oleinikov? This is a famous king-lover. Emnip a year or two ago he gave a whole series of articles to the mountain about the "great commander" of the Emperor Nicholas. So there is nothing to be surprised.
      HanTengri (Igor)
      Definitely. My monitor has already become sober.
      Me too. Now I am right in tears in a fit of "loyalty." Although ..., I'll give it to Olgovich, he will do better. laughing
      1. Albatroz 9 October 2019 08: 39 New
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        he gave a whole series of articles to the mountain about the "great commander" of the Emperor Nicholas.

        not about a commander, but a military leader
        or people like you don’t understand the difference?)
        After all, it is necessary to speak a little on the subject. This time. Well, of course, for personal preferences to distinguish between facts.
        1. Alexander Suvorov 9 October 2019 08: 43 New
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          Albatroz (Manfred)
          not about a commander, but a military leader
          Well, do not find fault with the words, this is just sarcasm, highlighted with quotation marks.
          Well, of course, for personal preferences to distinguish between facts.
          What are these facts? Imagine an example, do not consider it work.
          1. Hunghuz 9 October 2019 09: 38 New
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            What sarcasm is Alexander Suvorov, if you mix the concepts of a military leader and commander ....
            It’s not about sarcasm, but misunderstanding
            Data?
            Read and see. Written in black and white
      2. Reptiloid 10 October 2019 03: 09 New
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        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        ...... Well, what did you expect from Oleinikov? This is a famous king-lover. Emnip a year or two ago he gave a whole series of articles to the mountain about the "great commander" of the Emperor Nicholas. So there is nothing to be surprised ...... Now I am right in tears in a fit of "loyalty." Although ..., I'll give it to Olgovich, he will do better. laughing
        And it is worth recalling ---- what happened 2 years ago? And it was a 100th anniversary !!!!!! Anniversary !! And when Peskov was asked what kind of events the Kremlin would have in connection, he seemed to be surprised that no plans were being made, and in honor of what? And that year a lot of good things were said and published about H2, but nothing about the GREAT OCTOBER SOCIALIST REVOLUTION. While in China there were celebrations! And why, under the current capitalist system, recall this event, which threatens the capitalists and the bourgeois even now?
        It is convenient to remember and praise the current invaders as either H2 or Stolypin. And mourn
    4. Olgovich 9 October 2019 08: 35 New
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      Panegyric kingrag??? Hand face...

      Just historical facts are given, which in the communist so-called "textbooks" were hiding. There was its own parallel "history", which has nothing to do with history. In the virgin minds, knowing only these "textbooks", they cause haste.

      But these virgins cannot argue! For nothing! Is that a spray lol

      Dear Alexei Vladimirovich, once again confirmed his high level of the Russian Historian, correctly setting out the FACTS and evidence of events, allowing readers to draw their conclusions ...

      PS. about the "rags": your Swiss dwarfs took FORTY YEARS of incredible "struggle", unimaginable losses, to only Catch up with ri on the consumption of food, clothing and housing (in cities) - Report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR 1955
      1. Far B 9 October 2019 08: 39 New
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        Is that a spray
        So do not spray. Forty years later, our "Swiss dwarfs" launched the world's first satellite of the earth. And even your tsar-tank got stuck in bushes after several kilometers. There is something to compare, of course.
        1. Adjutant 9 October 2019 08: 42 New
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          Swiss dwarfs came up with a lot of that ready.
          They put their social experiments on the body of a great empire.
          And if it weren’t for them, develop Russia calmly, maybe Mars would have already mastered)
          1. Far B 9 October 2019 08: 45 New
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            body of a great empire
            by their arrival, as it were, to put it mildly, it was already decomposing with might and main. For the empire, by the time they arrived, had already died for about seven months.
            1. Hunghuz 9 October 2019 09: 41 New
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              Decayed ????
              Not more than the USSR in 1991.
              The Soviets got a powerful capable industry, a capable population, and much more.
              And a high birth rate was laid in those days.
              So Nikolai Alexandrovich had a hand in victory in the Second World War
              1. Far B 9 October 2019 09: 45 New
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                Any agrarian society is characterized by a high birth rate, and in Russia it was long before Nikolasha, so it is unlikely that he was involved in a high birth rate. Although, if you fantasize ...
                1. Hunghuz 9 October 2019 09: 48 New
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                  Study carefully the economy of our state at that time.
                  4, 5 places in the world. What sorry now?
                  Involved.
                  High fertility is a certain indicator of the welfare of a state. No wonder now with this stress
                  1. Far B 9 October 2019 09: 54 New
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                    4, 5 places in the world
                    Below the United States, England, France, Germany. And what, at that time there were still some serious states? Osmania and Austria-Hungary? Oh yeah.
                    What sorry now?
                    And with the Bolsheviks, in the post-war period, sorry, what?
                    High birth rate a certain indicator of state welfare
                    Tell the Japs, Americans, and other Western Europeans about this. They are neighing.
                    1. Hunghuz 9 October 2019 10: 10 New
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                      For some indicators below, and for others - higher.
                      Slyly treating)
                      By the way, a good topic for an article
                      And what is the case with the Bolsheviks, too, not everything is clear.
                      Rzhems, though not Europeans)
                      1. Hunghuz 9 October 2019 10: 12 New
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                        And yes - Austria-Hungary, Italy are also serious states
                        Now we are to Austria, Hungary and Italy - as to China))
                  2. Sugar Honeyovich 9 October 2019 17: 13 New
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                    A certain indicator of well-being - and which one? High welfare or low?
                  3. Hantengri 9 October 2019 17: 56 New
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                    Quote: Hunghouse
                    High fertility is a certain indicator of the welfare of a state.

                    High fertility is an indicator of low urbanization, low mechanization of cx, and high child mortality. And in the Republic of Ingushetia in the late 19th and early 20th centuries also a consequence of the communal use of land (allotment stood out by the number of mouths).
                  4. Sergey1987 9 October 2019 18: 11 New
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                    Quote: Hunghouse
                    4, 5 places in the world. What sorry now?

                    And now the 6th.
                    Quote: Hunghouse
                    High fertility is a certain indicator of the welfare of a state.

                    Just not.
                    I am neither a communist nor a monarchist, but I believe that Nicholas 2 was a weak politician. He wouldn’t allow Russia to enter the First World War, leave Stolypin and his supporters in power, the Bolsheviks would not come to power.
                    1. Dart2027 9 October 2019 18: 53 New
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                      Quote: Sergey1987
                      I would not allow Russia to the first world

                      The question is how to do this in practice. Neither the strait nor the ocean protected us.
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                      would leave Stolypin and his supporters in power

                      He was actually killed.
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                        The question is how to do this in practice. Neither the strait nor the ocean protected us.

                        I just don’t see the difficulty. For starters, you just could not stand up for Serbia. Even before that, do not enter into an alliance with France and Britain. And if they were so worried about Serbia, then I think Nikolay 2 could talk with a relative so that he would put pressure on the Austrians and they would not start a war with Serbia.
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                        And if they were so worried about Serbia, then I think Nikolay 2 could talk with a relative so that he would put pressure on the Austrians

                        Have you read the article at all? Nicholas II to the last tried to dissuade the Kaiser from the war.
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                        For starters, you could just

                        Russia is too rich in resources and territories to be left alone in the event of a world war.
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                        Have you read the article at all? Nicholas II to the last tried to dissuade the Kaiser from the war.

                        Read. The arbitration court is a weak attempt to dissuade. It was necessary to offer a meeting. Personal meeting. Even with all this, one could simply not harness for Serbia. Moreover, the rearmament program did not end; Nikolai himself said about this that he was not ready for the war and at the same time started it. Let the Entente and the Triple Alliance begin a war among themselves. In a year or two, we would have unleashed a war with Turkey and took away the straits, the territories of the Armenians, and possibly the Levant.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Russia is too rich in resources and territories to be left alone in the event of a world war.

                        Yes, rich, but what could they do then? The Entente would be occupied by the war with Germany and it does not border RI. Suppose we would agree with Wilhelm that we remain aloof. Germany is likely to break the Entente on land. France comes out of the war. Britain sits on its island. The war takes a protracted character. They fight at sea and in the colonies. We deal with our geopolitical issues.
                        And imagine if you would have concluded an alliance with Germany and Austria-Hungary, and not with the Entente?
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                        Read. The arbitration court is a weak attempt to dissuade. It was necessary to offer a meeting. Personal meeting.

                        And to change from a personal meeting?
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                        Let the Entente and the Triple Alliance begin a war among themselves. In a year or two

                        I would have to fight the Germans-winners alone.
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                        The war takes a protracted character. They fight at sea and in the colonies.

                        To fight at sea, where the English fleet dominates, the Germans could not in principle.
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                        And to change from a personal meeting?

                        Perhaps all the same, it would be possible to dissuade William. This is not the point. The main thing was to stay away.
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                        I would have to fight the Germans-winners alone.

                        It is not a fact that the Germans, having not ended the war with Britain, Italy, Greece, Serbia, would have unleashed a war with Russia. I think they would concentrate on conquering the African colonies. And even if they had begun, the nature of this war would have been completely different. We fought against Napoleon alone and defeated his entire European army. There would be no fraternities at the front, and the war would become a Second World War.
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                        To fight at sea, where the English fleet dominates, the Germans could not in principle.

                        I do not say that they could defeat the British fleet, I say that they would try to resist it. The German fleet in the number of course inferior.
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                        The main thing was to stay away.
                        If the Kaiser was ready for negotiations, they would have taken place.
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                        It is not a fact that the Germans, having not ended the war with Britain, Italy, Greece, Serbia, would have unleashed a war with Russia.
                        Greece and Serbia would be rolled out at a time, Italy was initially Germany's ally in general, and England would simply have withdrawn all its troops from the continent.
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                        I think they would concentrate on conquering the African colonies.

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                        I do not say that they could defeat the British fleet, I say that they would try to resist it.
                        In order to take control of the colony of England, just need to break up the English fleet.
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                        And even if they had begun, the nature of this war would have been completely different. We fought against Napoleon alone and defeated his entire European army.
                        Don’t you remember the price of victory in both OVs?
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                        There would be no fraternities at the front
                        So that there were no fraternities, it was necessary to maintain normal systems in control of the soldiers and to harshly suppress various propagandists.
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                        Quote: Dart2027
                        If the Kaiser was ready for negotiations, they would have taken place.

                        I agree
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                        Greece and Serbia would be rolled out at a time, Italy was initially Germany's ally in general, and England would simply have withdrawn all its troops from the continent.

                        Initially, yes, but quickly overstepped the Entente almost immediately. England certainly would have withdrawn its troops. In fact, the situation could be repeated as during 2 MB.
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                        In order to take control of the colony of England, just need to break up the English fleet.

                        During World War II, neither the German nor the Italian fleet dominated the Mediterranean Sea, but this did not prevent the Germans from seizing Malta, Crete and landing troops in Africa.
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                        Don’t you remember the price of victory in both OVs?

                        I know. The price for participation in the first world and subsequent civil is not less.
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                        So that there were no fraternities, it was necessary to maintain normal systems in control of the soldiers and to harshly suppress various propagandists.

                        I completely agree with you on this.
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                        Initially, yes, but quickly overstepped the Entente almost immediately.
                        If Germany had immediately passed France, then she would not have done so. Italy had claims to AVI, but it got into a war with it only after it became clear that the Germans were clamped on both sides.
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                        but this did not stop the Germans from seizing Malta, Crete and planting troops in Africa
                        I read Rommel’s biography and I can say that for almost the entire war his troops suffered from a lack of everything they needed. In addition, Crete was captured not by sea, but by airborne landing, which was unrealistic in the WWII, and the Germans did not capture Malta.
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                        The price for participation in the first world and subsequent civil not less
                        In the WWII, the losses were far from fatal, with a maximum of 2 million, but the GV was indeed a monstrous massacre. Only its beginning was caused by the betrayal of the military and political elites, who, having overthrown the king, completely destroyed the state structure.
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                        The collapse in industry and especially in transport was already at the end of 1916. read letters to Rodzianko to Nikolai.
                        And most importantly, the war in Europe would have dragged on for a long time. France 1914 was ready to fight to the end, to defend Paris and even losing it to fight on. (The government moved to Bordeaux) so that the positional deadlock in the West would come anyway.
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                        Quote: Karabut
                        The collapse in industry and especially in transport was already at the end of 1916

                        But by 1917, problems with a lack of ammunition had been resolved.
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                        France 1914 was ready to fight to the end, defend Paris and even losing it to fight on

                        If RI had not stopped the Kaiser advance, then there would have been no PV and the Germans would have completely occupied France in a couple of months.
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                        “By 1917, problems with a lack of ammunition were resolved.” - Compared to 1915, there was great progress. Of course, thanks to Manikovsky. But defense enterprises drew themselves all the qualified personnel from the railway (especially repairmen) and from other areas of the economy, even from the police and got what they got.
                        "RI did not stop the Kaiser advance" -RI did not stop any Kaiser attacks. In 1914, historians have already "chewed" this topic for a long time, in no other year.
                        The easiest option is to read a collection of answers about WWI from Fedor Lisitsin aka fvl1_01, I recommend that you learn a lot.
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                        But defense enterprises pulled themselves all the qualified personnel from the railway (especially repairmen) and from other areas of the economy, even from the police and

                        And what about the police? You don’t know what to come up with anymore?
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                        RI did not stop any Kaiser attacks. In 1914, historians have already "chewed" the topic for a long time

                        What kind of historians? You?
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                        “And what’s the police here sideways” - the sideways that the police were supposed to keep order in Petrograd in 1917, but didn’t fulfill their tasks, for this it was necessary to attract troops and when the rebellion broke out in one part, the empire fell, now you catch which side?
                        What attacks did Kaiser RI stop?
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                        the side that the police had to maintain order in Petrograd 1917

                        And what does this have to do with the increased production of shells?
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                        What attacks did Kaiser RI stop?

                        Marshal Foch:
                        "If France was not erased from the map of Europe, then we owe this to Russia first of all ..."
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                        Again olgovich blew ..... wet fantasies.
                        From the memoirs of A.I. Denikin: “Marshal Foch had the nobility to say afterwards:“ If France was not wiped off the face of Europe, then we owe this to Russia first of all ””
                        Marshal Foch left a memoir detailing the course of the hostilities to which he was a participant. The Battle of the Marne is the second chapter of the first volume of memoirs. Alas, there is no talk about the saving role of Russia. The memoirist, discussing the factors that caused the French victory, talks about the role of General Joffre, about discipline and camaraderie in the French army, about the fact that the troops fought to exhaustion, even about the "soul of the nation." For some reason, the marshal in the final version of his memoirs lost the nobility that A.I. Denikin.
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                        For some reason, the marshal in the final version of his memoirs lost the nobility that A.I. Denikin.

                        Maybe because by that time he managed to do a good fight with the army of the USSR, which raked from the Poles, whom he led?
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                        Again olgovich blew ..... wet fantasies.

                        That is, the fact that the Germans sent forces to the east that were supposed to fight in the west is unknown to you?
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                        Maybe because by that time he had a good fight with the army of the USSR, which had robbed from the Poles, whom he led? -And where does imperial Russia ??
                        It’s sad that you so poorly know the history of the USSR in the 20th year there wasn’t yet, much less his army. The Poles themselves led the Poles.
                        I don’t even want to make out about "the Germans transferred forces to the east".
                        After all, you probably think that the "Schlieffen plan" did not work due to the lack of German divisions? Well, consider yourself.))
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                        It did not work primarily due to lack of strength. Drawn before and during the implementation of the Schlieffen plan.
                        Which led to a loss of pace and improvisations.
                        Marshal Foch is absolutely right.
                        By the way, the Russian army made an operational contribution on a whole bunch of operations. It has long been, in Soviet times, became a textbook. Hammer granite science karabut
                      19. Karabut 14 October 2019 11: 07 New
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                        Hollowed out his granite of science (Manfred) learned the words - pace and improvisation, but has not yet reached the word logistics.
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                        And all you know is the logic of your own bottling.
                        With a minimum of everything else. First of all - specific knowledge
                        Well, home-grown logistics that generally replaces the facts)
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                    where does imperial Russia

                    Well, somehow it would be inconvenient to sing praises.
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                    The USSR in the 20th year was not yet, and even more so, its army.

                    It is sad that you so poorly know the history of the Great October Socialist Revolution took place on November 7, 1917.
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                    Who led the Poles know the Poles themselves.

                    The fact that Marshal Foch was then creating the Polish army is news for you? Oh yes, you’re not the first time writing about what you don’t know.
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                    I don’t even want to make out about "the Germans transferred forces to the east".
                    You surely think

                    120000 is not a couple of divisions.
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    Russia is too rich in resources and territories to be left alone in the event of a world war.


    Yes, even without World War II, Russia is not left alone for one day to the Anglo-Saxon Zionofashists as a bone in the throat
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    And now the 6th.

    Forgot 2 digits to put in front of the six - 1 and 6
    166th
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      Forgot 2 digits to put in front of the six - 1 and 6
      166th

      Do not carry nonsense.
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      According to the Heritage Foundation Index of Economic Freedom, in 2016 Russia had 153rd place out of 179 countries.
      According to the index of development of information and communication technologies compiled by the International Telecommunication Union, in 2015 Russia was in 45th place from 155 countries.
      According to the Human Development Index, in 2015 Russia was on the 49th place in the list of 188 countries (in 1995 Russia was on the 72nd place, in 1988 the USSR was on the 26th place).
      Vyalenko compared to the beginning of the 20th century.
      Progress for 100 years is evident)
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      According to the Heritage Foundation Index of Economic Freedom, in 2016 Russia had 153rd place out of 179 countries.
      According to the index of development of information and communication technologies compiled by the International Telecommunication Union, in 2015 Russia was in 45th place from 155 countries.
      According to the Human Development Index, in 2015 Russia was on the 49th place in the list of 188 countries (in 1995 Russia was on the 72nd place, in 1988 the USSR was on the 26th place).
      Vyalenko compared to the beginning of the 20th century.
      Progress for 100 years is evident)

      Wrote one nonsense, decided to write another? GDP is an indicator of the level of economic development, and not an index of economic freedom and the rest is your nonsense. And even more so, I have little interest in indicators of funds of the nursing from the State Department.
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      No, well, that you can defame anything you want, who would doubt it)
      If anything, then the current Russian government receives instructions from the State Department. So what?)
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      No, well, that you can defame anything you want, who would doubt it)

      ))))) Blown away? Nothing to answer in fact?
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      If anything, then the current Russian government receives instructions from the State Department. So what?)

      Surely. This is probably the State Department ordered the Crimea to return? Or was the State Department ordered to start the operation in the SAR?
    6. Albatroz 12 October 2019 16: 58 New
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      This is probably in the State Department ordered the Crimea to return

      Naturally.
      Imagine.
      This is a scenario planned in the Department of State, which:
      a) It hits both Russia and Ukraine, pitting brothers and activating pseudo-patriotic forces. Because of some piece of land - all to pieces.
      Naturally, along the way - resort zemlya is a tidbit for the Russian oligarchy. That is why few people need Donbass with its mines.
      b) Violating the norms of international law (Budapest Memorandum), this action overturns all the rules on post-war borders in the post-Potsdam version. A dangerous precedent has been set.
      In short, Crimea was needed not for the sake of Crimea, but in order to chop off Kaliningrad and the Kuril Islands from Russia in the near future. And the form is outwardly very democratic - supposedly a referendum)
      Yes, only the principle of territorial integrity of states is more important than the principle of the right of nations or nationalities to self-determination) They "forgot" about this
      c) Demonstrates the apparent external "independence" of Russia (with complete socio-economic dependence), allowing it to retain power in Russia that disguised as "patriots" continues to plunder Russia - that is, performing previous tasks.
      To return the Crimea (having lost all of Ukraine) and surrender a number of territories to China in the Far East - is this your great achievement? With complete bankruptcy of the entire socio-economic policy.
      Our territory has long been divided, everyone is waiting only when the population will rise and cease to serve itself in terms of protecting this territory.
      Or was the State Department ordered to start the operation in the SAR?

      I have no doubt for a minute.
      The indicator of the apparent independence of the Russian ruling clique from the overseas host plus money laundering in the war of this clique (it is no secret that the main assets of Putinoids are invested in the military-industrial complex).
      Russian forces there solve the tasks that the Americans are lazy with. But as soon as the last ones cluck, our toothless smiles.
      Indeed, for Russia it is a strategically absolutely useless operation. There are no special interests in Syria. Unlike Libya itself - where there were multi-billion interest TEKA. And which was passed for nothing and Medvedev, along with the Dutch prime minister, grinned, looking at the photo with the tortured Gaddafi.
      Watch how the first persons of Russia communicate with any of the visiting American curators - behaving like schoolchildren in front of a teacher. Everything is visible with the naked eye)
    7. Dart2027 12 October 2019 19: 12 New
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      Naturally.
      Imagine.

      A complete set of slurred delirium.
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      This is my opinion, and shared.
      Let it be nonsense, if you wish)
      Just not slurred) hi
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      It's my opinion
      Well, that’s understandable.
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      and shared
      Those who have any success in Russia across the throat.
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      There is no one who would crave more success for Russia than me))
      because it’s a shame for the actions of the current troglodytes))
      Especially when you compare their "power" with the Empire or the Union
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      There is no one who craves success for Russia more than I do
      The legend is fresh, but it is hard to believe.
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      Your business and your problems
      Especially if you do not see what is happening in Russia
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      Your business and your problems

      Lovers of screaming just like that Putin leaked everything.
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      not see what is happening in Russia

      And before that in the USSR. And even earlier in RI.
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      Well, you called Putin’s name
      Not me)
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      Well name
      That is, there is nothing more to protest.
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      I wrote everything above.
      What now to object - I can not imagine)
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      I wrote everything above

      Quote: Dart2027
      A complete set of slurred delirium.
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    A complete set of slurred delirium.

    You read more above that he answered me. There is no limit to human stupidity.
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    You read more above that he answered me.

    This is exactly what I mean by delirium.
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    It is strange that soberly and critically examining the current situation, when you analyze the events of 1914, you wear “pink glasses”.
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    I don’t wear anything. I only note the facts.
    And you deliberately mess up everything - probably so that now the surrounding seemed not so sad)
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    About the surrounding reality, I clearly put it, and then again you didn’t understand anything.
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    I understood everything perfectly.
    Like you me. I hope)
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    Yes, I know no worse than yours about all these nuances.
    So, for a change - the most vivid numbers brought you.
    but I’m not interested in the false numbers of our woe-economists
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    According to the Heritage Foundation Index of Economic Freedom,

    This is not the Hermitage Foundation where rogue Browder ran the show? He was also given a Russian court last year by 9 and a half years in prison for the finalists.
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    High fertility is a certain indicator of the welfare of a state.

    It may also be associated with certain religious views on fertility, abortion, and the elementary absence of condoms among the majority of the population. I do not think that the peasant population actively used contraception in the 1900's.
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    Any agrarian society is characterized by a high birth rate, and in Russia it was long before Nikolasha
    For them, a high birth rate is almost the most compelling argument in favor of the tsar, who is incompetent, but at the same time they completely forget to mention what mortality was, especially children's. My great-grandmother had 13 brothers and sisters in the family, of which only SIX survived. About five out of 11 children in the family lived with their great-grandfather, and only FIVE survived to adulthood.
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      For them, a high birth rate is almost the most compelling argument in favor of the tsar, who is incompetent, but at the same time they completely forget to mention what mortality was, especially children's.

      The fact of the matter is that high fertility is a response of the population to high mortality, especially for children. It was necessary to give birth to more, maybe someone and even survive. Otherwise, the clan may be interrupted, otherwise no one will help you closer to old age.
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      Far V (Mikhail)
      Any agrarian society is characterized by a high birth rate, and in Russia it was long before Nikolasha
      For them, a high birth rate is almost the most compelling argument in favor of the tsar, who is incompetent, but at the same time they completely forget to mention what mortality was, ......
      The only census of the Republic of Ingushetia is 1898. The average life expectancy was about 30 years. Moreover, we all know the elderly, 80-year-old representatives of the nobility, the merchants of that time. Live longer ----- was the privilege of the rich.
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      BUT at the same time, they completely forget to mention what was the mortality rate, especially for children.

      Well, now Olgovich will draw you a "Russian cross"!
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    Adjutant (Svyatoslav)
    Swiss dwarfs came up with a lot of that ready.
    What? What was there that was ready? Can a developed industry? Maybe a completely literate population? Maybe something else?
    The Bolsheviks inherited an agrarian country, plundered by the First World War and the Civil War, which was falling apart. Teach history, and not your alternative, but normal.
    On the body of a great empire
    By that time, Russia could be considered a great empire only nominally. It ceased to be great after the Crimean War, so do not flatter yourself, there was no greatness from the word at all.
    set up their social experiments.
    Yes, the bloody Bolsheviks did irreparable damage to your brain by setting up schools, kindergartens, hospitals, giving EVERYONE an education, free medicine and social elevators for any citizen. This is of course a form of disgrace, for the mournful mind.
    And if it weren’t for them, develop Russia calmly, maybe Mars would have already mastered)
    Yeah, of course they would have mastered, on horseback ... fool And they would have captured Alpha Centauri ...
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      To the very point. Bolsheviks cannot be forgiven for the fact that EDUCATION, MEDICINE and SOCIAL LIFTS became available to ALL.
      The claims of liberals and others to * antiquity * are not just ridiculous - disgusting in their meanness.
      Great ancestors did great things and we have something to respect and love them for, and why respect those who crawl into the * elite * only * by birth *?
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        and why respect those who crawl into the * elite * only * by birth *?
        It’s always interesting to me, and who did Olgovich and Co. think of themselves? True they see themselves as landowners, drinking coffee on the veranda while feeling the serf girls for the buttocks. It is unlikely that any of them sees himself as illiterate, clogged, tortured with overwork, hungry and ragged by a peasant.
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          and why respect those who crawl into the * elite * only * by birth *?
          It’s always interesting to me, and who did Olgovich and Co. think of themselves? True they see themselves as landowners, drinking coffee on the veranda while feeling the serf girls for the buttocks. It is unlikely that any of them sees himself as illiterate, clogged, tortured with overwork, hungry and ragged by a peasant.

          And just about a year and a half ago, there was a comment where he delicately hinted at his kinship lol wassat laughing with the H2 family ..... true, then somehow shy .....
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      And if you push aside the ideological background and consider the article as a historical page of your fatherland ... Or do you have the history of your homeland starting in 1917 .... In Ukraine, the story begins now in 2014 ....
      you can minus ... but in that war the Russian soldiers fought, and no less selflessly and heroically than in the Second World War - because they fought for their homeland. So find out how the war began ... in which more than one empire burned and millions of dead ...
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        And if you push aside the ideological background and consider the article as a historical page of your country ...
        In the history of My Fatherland there was everything white and black, and glorious pages and that which did not cause enthusiasm. So, the reign of the last Romanov does not cause me enthusiasm. All his reign, this is one solid black streak in the history of My country.
        Or do you have the history of your homeland begins in 1917 ...
        By no means.
        but Russian soldiers fought in that war, and no less selflessly and heroically than in the Second World War
        And somewhere in the comments, did I belittle or insult the role of the Russian soldier? Can you give an example?
        because they fought for their homeland
        Yeah, they fought so much that by the year 17 they were ready to fraternize with their enemies and deserted whole regiments and divisions from the front ... Something I don’t remember examples of fraternization in the Second World War! So do not confuse round with warm.
        So find out how the war started ...
        Do not believe it ... I KNOW!
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          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          one solid black stripe in history Mine country.

          Hearing cuts, you have to be more modest, but somehow, that ......... we, the most reigning and sovereign sovereign .....
      2. Basil50 9 October 2019 09: 52 New
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        shit
        It’s not worth it so much ......
        History is continuous and it will not be possible to pick out * inconvenient * facts from it.
        Three hundred years of the history of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE were made up of frank ............ and carefully mixed with real events that could not be hidden. All these works were written and introduced by order of the royal house. And where is the story of Rusi which grew and developed BEFORE the Romanovs? Fragmentary and abusive historical writings are very reminiscent of HOW Poles and other Caucasians write about WWII today.
        Very similar ........
        Today, similar * historians * are working in RUSSIA, some have slipped into academics. Given that recently theology has been equated with science, then academicians will be added who will track the correct development of not only science ............
    3. Dart2027 9 October 2019 13: 31 New
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      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      Can a developed industry? Maybe a completely literate population?

      If everything was so simple, then Stalin would not have spent any industrialization in 10 years.
      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      She ceased to be great after the Crimean War

      In which the whole of Europe was able to capture several cities on the outskirts of Ingushetia, and at peace talks they were simply sent with their hoteliers (I remind you that there was no Black Sea Fleet at that moment and the consent of Ingushetia to its absence did not matter when hands reached it simply built )
      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      having built schools, kindergartens, hospitals, giving EVERYONE an education, free medicine and social elevators for any citizen

      That's just the price was a bit high.
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      By that time, Russia could be considered a great empire only nominally. It ceased to be great after the Crimean War, so do not flatter yourself, there was no greatness from the word at all.

      In those days, it was considered great. The largest state in the world, with a large army and 5 economies. She was one of the great powers.
  • Sugar Honeyovich 9 October 2019 17: 11 New
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    It's right. Even a revolution (a pleasant surprise!) Was made without them.
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    And if it weren’t for them, develop Russia calmly, maybe Mars would have already mastered)

    As Stolypin said: Give me 20 years of inner and outer peace, and you will not recognize Russia.
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    Quote: Far In
    Forty years later, our “Swiss dwarfs” launched the world's first satellite of the earth

    These parasites, who have not worked anywhere for a day, FOR WHAT ?!

    RUSSIAN SCIENCE existed long before them!

    AND THE WHOLE atom, cosmos were created by RUSSIAN scientists learned in IMPERIAL UNIVERSITIES by IMPERIAL teachers.

    And if Russian science had not been DESTROYED by 1922, if the Babylonians and the Landau and the Queens did not sit in prisons, then we would launch rovers.
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    2. Hantengri 9 October 2019 19: 02 New
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      landau

      Do not tell me when, for what, and by how much L.D. Landau stopped by kitsch?
  • Dart2027 9 October 2019 13: 26 New
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    Quote: Far In
    So do not spray.

    Does the article have anything to say?
  • Lieutenant Teterin 9 October 2019 09: 27 New
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    This is not a panegyric, but a well-balanced analysis of historical facts.
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    - A panegyric king-rag? --- It's not sad. It's bad that people do not try to find the truth in comments,
    and pulling an owl on a globe for the sake of their TODAY political convictions. This means we have become a divided people and a new GV is inevitable.
    And the article is of course propagandistic and deceitful, you can parse it by the facts, but who needs them here ?.
    1. Olgovich 9 October 2019 14: 39 New
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      Quote: Karabut
      And the article is of course propagandistic and deceitful, you can parse it by the facts, but who needs them here ?.

      1. Propagandos remained in the distant 70-year-old “jelly” past, in which the worst famine in the world of 33 g with cannibalism did not exist, but those who died from it were called “wealthy” people.

      2. You can’t disassemble and refute ANYTHING, for your 70-year-old FALSE is not able to ALREADY stand up to the TRUTH of facts: the times of propogandos, which shut up people's mouths, eyes and ears, are over
      1. Karabut 9 October 2019 23: 33 New
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        Here is the FIRST FACT the nonsense brought will be yet.
        The lie in the article is NEW just invented for fools.
        Come on Olgovich (Andrey) REFUTION, I know that from you the prapagondona will not be an apology, there will be no remorse for lying.
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          Quote: Karabut
          Here is the FIRST FACT the nonsense brought will be yet.

          belay lol
          Quote: Karabut
          The lie in the article is NEW just invented for fools.

          So expose already, how much can you wait? And from everything you threaten, you threaten, and ... nothing .... Such a funny lol
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          Come on Olgovich (Andrey) DISCLAIM, I know that from you prapagondona there will be no apology, no remorse for lying.

          WHAT to refute? fool Do not drink more ....
    2. Albatroz 9 October 2019 15: 20 New
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      The article is based on FACTS. Documents are provided.
      The lies are just biting imaginary Karabuts, specially created for these purposes - in the comments
      1. Albatroz 9 October 2019 15: 21 New
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        This is me for this character
        Karabut (Karabut) Today, 12:06 PM NEW
        - A panegyric king-rag? --- It's not sad. It's bad that people do not try to find the truth in comments,
        and they are pulling an owl on a globe for the sake of their TODAY political convictions. This means we have become a divided people and a new GV is inevitable. And the article is certainly propagandistic and deceitful, you can make it out by facts, but who needs them here?
      2. Karabut 9 October 2019 23: 30 New
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        Well, I brought the FACTS nonsense in the article.
        A document as you asked, I am waiting for an answer, will you continue to support nonsense or is it time to grow wiser?
        1. Albatroz 10 October 2019 07: 35 New
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          The article is based on real facts.
          And you brought only facts about your nonsense)))
          Everyone sees this with a naked eye.
          However, such a word as a fact, it is unknown to you. This is why you disguised yourself as a new nickname to troll on the sly, yes, grandpa? wink
    3. Trapperxnumx 9 October 2019 16: 38 New
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      Quote: Karabut
      And the article is of course propagandistic and deceitful, you can parse it by the facts, but who needs them here?

      Disassemble. Show that it is in her a lie, and we honor.
      Only now you can’t, because the article is simply historical
      1. Karabut 9 October 2019 19: 52 New
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        - Disassemble. Show what lies in her, and we honor .---
        But what’s the point? I’ll give you facts, you will ignore them, ask questions, you will merge ..
        Sorry, but you didn’t do anything to respect your company as an interlocutor and a smart opponent.
        You yourself could have found lies, lies in the article, simply by dates, but not able to ..))
        1. Dart2027 9 October 2019 21: 57 New
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          But what’s the point? I’ll give you facts, you will ignore them, ask questions, you will merge ..

          Said the man who was already merging on my questions.
          Again, you have nothing to say.
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            I am waiting for your answer to the nonsense in the article.
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              Has already. Waiting for your answer to a previously asked question.
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          Quote: Karabut
          But what’s the point? I’ll give you facts, you will ignore them, ask questions, you will merge ..
          Sorry, but you didn’t do anything to respect your company as an interlocutor and a smart opponent.

          And so every time. You are asked to provide data, and you write - look for yourself. How then can you be respected and perceived as a serious person? You are an ordinary forum troll and that is why I fundamentally minimize the discussion with you. I do not like trollin.
          And I will write again, if you so wish - if you answer with the phrase "all is untrue and garbage" then please be kind enough to indicate what exactly is untrue. Without this, your comment is just idiocy.
          So come on, bring the facts, and we honor.
      2. Karabut 9 October 2019 23: 27 New
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        I examined it below. After your answer, I will analyze one more (second) nonsense in the article.
        And what about mobilization in the Gaga conventions?
    4. Dart2027 9 October 2019 18: 54 New
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      Quote: Karabut
      you can make it out by facts, but

      So come on. Only the facts in the article.
      1. Karabut 9 October 2019 22: 12 New
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        Okay, get the first fact from your deceitful article- "The fact is that already on the night of August 1 (that is, BEFORE Germany declares war on Russia), German troops attacked and captured Bendin and Kalisz without a fight. That is, they committed an explicit act aggression against the territory of the Russian Empire "
        Now quotes-1914 - From a note by the auditor of the Kalishko-Petrokovsky excise department of the process engineer Z. I. Oppman

        ... On the night of July 19 to 20 (August 1 to 2), upon receipt by the governor of a telegram declaring war, the last train leaving at about 4 a.m., only officials and some officials managed to leave Kalish. All residents of the city, with the complete absence of crews and the supply of will or not, had to stay with families in Kalisz ...

        On the same day, in the afternoon, the Kalishans were informed that German troops were approaching the city with the first German lancer who appeared in the city, who galloped galloping from the slingshot to the European Hotel and back, falling twice from the horse: the lancer was completely drunk and terribly frightened; stopping on a slingshot along with another lancer who had approached the slingshot by that time, he, not yet recovering from fright, immediately began to share his impressions with the crowd surrounding him, and he said that he and his comrade should have been the first to jump into the city by the drawn lot and went, in their opinion, to certain death.

        Half an hour after the appearance in Kalisz of 2 Prussian Lancers, a German detachment led by

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        an officer. Towards the crossing, the president of the city and 3 prominent inhabitants who know German spoke on the main white-flag Brocław street. The officer talked with the city delegates for about 15 minutes, putting his gun in turn at the temple of each of them, at the same time all the soldiers of the detachment held revolvers and peaks in their hands directed towards the delegates ... Monday morning 21 (3) at all angles the announcements of the commandant of Proysker appeared, in which the inhabitants were called to calm; they were invited to open trade, since the life and integrity of the property of residents is not in danger. On the same day, the commandant introduced martial law in the city, stopped the action of the philistine militia, and reinforced soldiers began to walk around the city ... "
        Well, is it not a lie? Moreover, with a lie with intent, did the author know for sure that the stupid mass of his fans would not even check? What can you say, my dears, there is at least one who has a conscience or the Orthodox have a place of conscience that something else has already grown ?!
        1. Dart2027 9 October 2019 23: 08 New
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          Okay, get the first fact from your deceitful article

          There is one fact, but why didn’t you quote it to the end?
          Then the machine guns began firing at the city streets ... and the shooting of all the men living in the houses of which allegedly ... shots were fired at German troops. More than 100 people were killed and shot, including many spare ones returning from Lask ...
          ... In the morning on Tuesday, August 22 (August 4), repressions rained down on the city one after another:
          1) All persons carrying any weapons were shot, as well as persons whose weapons were found in the apartment, despite the fact that the 24-hour deadline for the delivery of weapons specified in the Proisker announcement had not yet expired; the provincial treasurer Sokolov was shot, who destroyed the treasury cash before the Germans arrived;
          3) {1} The commandant Proysker imposed an indemnity of 50 rubles on the city; about a day earlier on Monday by the same Preysker confiscated about 000 rubles stored in cash in the Magistrate;
          4) The commandant’s order was announced that if at least one Prussian soldier was inflicted the slightest harm, for example, a stone was thrown, then every tenth man in the city would be shot, the city would be bombed, and suspected houses would be grenades razed to the ground , the windows in all apartments were ordered to light up until the morning ...
          Taking the hostages, Proysker decided to leave the city with the troops and camp a few miles from Kalisz closer to the Prussian border. The hostages were ordered to go ahead of the troops, and during the shelling
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          suspected houses they were ordered to lie face down on the ground - shot above their heads. This was repeated several times, and in the end, the rich manufacturer Heinrich Frenkel could not get up on his own, sick in heart and sprawling. The commandant immediately ordered the nearest soldier to stab Frenkel with a bayonet and throw his body into the moat; then the widow of the murdered woman, who wished to take his corpse, made all kinds of obstacles until extortion, inclusive (they demanded 60000 marks for issuing the body). An expensive diamond ring disappeared from the victim’s finger.
          As soon as the hostage troops left Kalisz, a bombardment of the city began in punishment, allegedly for the shed blood of the Prussian soldiers; About 70 cannon shots were fired, and mainly the upper floors of buildings were damaged. Cannonballs pierced through four walls in a row ... Private houses, as well as a hospital, church and churches, were fired at equally. All residents of the city hid in panic fear in the cellars, from where many, fearing the resumption of the bombing, did not go out for several days, suffering cold and hunger ...
          On the morning of Friday 25 (7), Saxon troops, infantry and lancers began to pass through Kalisz, accompanied by the notorious 155th regiment led by commandant Preysker. Part of the troops went along the Stavishinsky highway, another part, passing through the city, returned to the former camp. Many telephone poles were damaged by guns, rifles and machine guns, and telephone wires blocked the streets in large numbers. The horse of one young officer was so entangled in the wire that he fell on his front legs; the officer, not realizing the incident, fired from a revolver. The shot triggered a general panic; again the shelling of the windows of houses, some open shops and the shooting of people accidentally passing through the streets began. They fired machine guns all over the city. Soldiers burst into houses and shops, robbed, set fire and burned entire families - women, children and elders. Several hundred people were killed and wounded. In the building of the magistrate, where, on the order of the commandant, the city servants gathered, the city cashier Pashkevich and three watchmen were hacked to death with an ax. On Babinaya and Broclaw streets lay a mass of corpses of people, children and even horses. In a general landfill and panic, the Germans again shot at their own and lost many soldiers killed or wounded (at least 12).
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          The population of the city was seized by panic fear in anticipation of the revenge of the Teutons, who did not take long to wait. Soon, a beautiful magistrate building burned with a bonfire and fires began in different places of the city. Small troops remaining in the city, picking up their wounded and killed, and throwing, according to eyewitnesses, their killed soldiers into the fire, quickly left the city. At 8 3/4 hours, cannon fire began in the city (with bullets, grenades and shrapnel), which lasted continuously until 5 1/2 hours in the morning. More than 400 shots were fired into the city, after each shot there was a noise of collapsing parts of buildings and a hysterical cry of women and children.
          Finally, at 5 1/2 a.m. on Saturday July 26 (August 8), the firing ceased and everything seemed to freeze around. However, the silence did not last long. Suddenly all the windows and gates along Brocławska Street with frantic cry and noise burst into the rage of German soldiers and bursting into all apartments with a cry of "hands up", they arrested all the men who were caught, women and children were ordered to hide in one corner and kneel down . When my wife jumped up to the soldiers and began to rebuke them in German for mocking the children and wanted to discourage them from my 12-year-old son, who was also ordered to raise his hands up and follow all those arrested, then he arrived in time the officer hit her with the butt of his gun so hard that she fell to the floor and immediately received throat bleeding. Over 700 people were arrested, including many teenagers and elders; among others was also arrested an 80-year-old man, priests Victor, a reformist monk. All those arrested were immediately searched in the most thorough manner several times, they scolded me with arena abuse for finding two full boxes of matches in my pocket ... After the search, we were surrounded by a strong convoy of soldiers and, having ordered us to keep our arms up, led us to your camp. It was raining heavily, and many of those arrested were in their underwear alone, without boots. On the way, it was announced to us that they would lead us to execution as a punishment for the shed blood of German soldiers; those who were unable to walk soon were hit with rifle butts and wounded with bayonets so that many would bleed. When we arrived in the field near the camp, the execution of the execution of 19 men, taken the same day from
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          suspected houses. All of us were divided into several parties and rows, 10 people in a row, it was ordered to look only ahead, on the one hand, German soldiers knocked down not far from us with guns pointing towards us, on the other hand an old priest was praying all the time. The officers gave some instructions to the soldiers. In short, the full picture of the execution. They kept us under pain of being shot every minute for about an hour, then each of the parties individually was ordered to go to one of the three nearby barracks of the border guard. It was announced to us that a field trial will be held over us and, perhaps, only every tenth person will be shot. The barracks were closed and left us in complete ignorance of our fate in a suffocating unbearable atmosphere (the man stood close to the man). Several times the German officer, wanting to tell us something, opened the door of the hut and immediately slammed it shut without saying a word, suffocating from the suffocating air ... About 4 pm we were brought a little dirty water in the trough and were forbidden even to send for bread on their own account. Waiting for minutes passed minutes after minutes. Finally, at 7 o’clock, the sergeant major appeared in the barrack, ordered us to line up again in 10 people, and under an escort led us out into the field, where again the morning picture, so similar to preparing for execution, was repeated ... Then we were ordered to go home . The German soldiers, led by an officer, escorted us to the city, and then, turning quickly, left towards Skalmerzhytsy, moving their camp closer to the Prussian border.
          On the way back to the city, flaming bonfires of houses in different parts of the city were visible everywhere. It turns out that after the arrest of the men, another batch of German soldiers walked around the city with straw and kerosene and set fire to the houses and shops left in the care of women and children, opening gas horns everywhere. On the same day in the evening, the city, with up to 80 inhabitants, was completely empty. People ran away from the city in what who stood. After so many nightmarish surprises, none of the inhabitants of the city wanted to stay longer under the auspices of the German cultural tribes. When I left the city with my family on Sunday morning July 000 (August 27), there was dead silence in it, and only the smoke of burning buildings, valuable things scattered in the streets and in some places
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          lying still untidy corpses of people testified to the terrible bloody tragedy just experienced by Kalish ...

          Did your conscience not allow you to continue?
          What about the rest of the facts in the article?
          1. Olgovich 10 October 2019 08: 31 New
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            There is one fact, but why didn’t you quote it to the end?

            Yes, there is no fact, but there is subjective evidence of an eyewitness who was mistaken for 1 day (in contrast to the state publication), which is not surprising in that turmoil ..

            And he didn’t bring it to the end, because after such atrocities it is necessary to shout “Get up, the country is huge!”.
            And his Swiss Carls called for WAR against ... his country.
            1. Karabut 10 October 2019 09: 51 New
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              Only fools can confuse the night of July 31 to August 1 and the day of August 2.
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                Quote: Karabut
                Only fools can confuse the night of July 31 to August 1 and August 2

                Refute not the BOLTNAYA notes of the frightened man in the street, but OFFICIAL documents, i.e. SUCH same as those given in the article.
          2. Karabut 10 October 2019 10: 08 New
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            -There is one fact, thanks dear, that I admitted, but what is the fact?
            - why didn’t you quote it to the end - because I pointed to lies exactly with the date of entry of the Germans.
            Conscience didn’t allow you to continue? - what’s the conscience)))) Doesn’t it bother you to lie, but I don’t need to shove what’s unnecessary for what? After all, didn’t you give all the evidence of the “Kalish pogrom” too, does conscience bother you?
            1. Dart2027 10 October 2019 19: 29 New
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              that admitted only what fact

              Errors in relation to one city.
              Quote: Karabut
              because I pointed out the lies with the date of entry of the Germans
              That's just in addition to the date they brought a rather impressive piece, which broke off exactly at the place where the stories about how they behaved began. Doesn’t fit into the picture of peace-loving Germans?
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                I wanted to tell you about the “peace-loving” Russians, but in order to avoid your claims that I bring only a piece, read “Memoirs” chapter of “The beginning of the World War” by B. M. Shaposhnikov, a man in Russian military history very respected, there are a lot of interesting things , like the place itself, the beginning of the war.
                The nonsense in the article looks very clearly in these memoirs, a concrete lie ---
                "On August 2, the Germans .... capture the defenseless Czestochowa."
                "We emphasize this fact, because at that time the Russian troops did not take any active action and did not cross the border - the cavalry commanders closest to this line were informed that there is no war, but you must be extremely careful, because the Germans can attack without declaring war "
                Instead, the Russian hussars occupy German territory. By order of August 1, and August 2, fights on German soil are already in full swing.
                If you draw the right conclusions, well, there are no your problems, the rest are generally hopeless.
                1. Albatroz 10 October 2019 21: 46 New
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                  And here's another useful info for Karabut, traditionally wishful thinking:
                  1) Kalisz and Czestochowo the Germans occupied repeatedly. And the first time we went to the 1st city on the night of July 19, that is, before the declaration of war
                  2) there is nothing to drag Shaposhnikov here.
                  He writes that at 23 hours on July 19 he received a telegram declaring war on Germany. And further: "So, the war has begun! Dawn has come, both of our squadrons have crossed the border." Speech (attention) about July 20 (August 2), when the war was already declared (Memoirs. S. 240-241. 1983.).
                  Do not shamelessly lie to Karabut. Save fantasies for your alternative statues such as Blitzkrieg 1914)
                  1. Karabut 10 October 2019 22: 34 New
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                    (Manfred) -but you yourself write "as at 23 hours on July 19 -th means August 1, and then he ordered the German border to be crossed by squadrons according to the 1912 plan?"
                    Who do you want to deceive? It's funny to me! You are a liar to other people too, everyone knows that.
                    So when did the Germans occupy Chesnokhov?
                    2) there is nothing to drag Shaposhnikov here. -So I quote his memoirs, didn’t you understand that?)))
                    1. Albatroz 10 October 2019 22: 41 New
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                      I see a fig ???
                      This I quote from Shaposhnikov. You have not seen his work in your eyes
                      at 23 hours on July 19 received a telegram declaring war on Germany. And further:
                      "So the war has begun! Dawn has come, both of our squadrons have crossed the border."
                      . Speech (attention) about July 20 (August 2), when the war was already declared (Memoirs. S. 240-241. 1983.).
                      I.e. Specially decrypt for you.
                      Germany declared war on Russia on July 19 (August 1) at 19 hours.
                      July 19 (August 1) at 23 o’clock Shaposhnikov received a telegram about it.
                      And the squadrons crossed the border at dawn on July 20 (August 2).
                      That is, this is what I said dear little putty - you turn it around as you like, distort the meaning and offer this brew for the truth.
                      Once again I repeat - do not shamelessly lie to Karabut. Save fantasies for your alternative statues such as Blitzkrieg 1914)
                      Kalish and Czestochow occupied repeatedly. Another source also says that Bendin and Czestochow were busy on July 19 (that is, August 1)
                2. Dart2027 10 October 2019 22: 26 New
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                  Quote: Karabut
                  If you draw the right conclusions, well, no, your problems, the rest are generally hopeless

                  It’s very touching, that is, the fact that the Germans from the very beginning behaved like barbarians, you no longer argue.
                  Quote: Karabut
                  August 2, the Germans .... capture the defenseless Czestochowa

                  Quote: Albatroz
                  1) Kalisz and Czestochowo the Germans occupied repeatedly. And the first time we went to the 1st city on the night of July 19, that is, before the declaration of war
                  2) there is nothing to drag Shaposhnikov here.
                  He writes that at 23 hours on July 19 he received a telegram declaring war on Germany. And further: "So, the war has begun! Dawn has come, both of our squadrons have crossed the border." Speech (attention) about July 20 (August 2), when the war was already declared (Memoirs. S. 240-241. 1983.).
                  Do not shamelessly lie to Karabut. Save fantasies for your alternative statues such as Blitzkrieg 1914)

                  I will not repeat it.
                  1. Karabut 10 October 2019 22: 44 New
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                    I won’t either, believe at least in the yumba cabinet - these are your problems.
                    1. Dart2027 10 October 2019 23: 01 New
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                      I won’t, either, believe in a yumba cabinet

                      That is, there is nothing to argue.
                    2. Karabut 11 October 2019 00: 56 New
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                      To which I said that the article was false. I brought a fact. I explained why, no one (except you) will pay attention to this fact and they will lie further. So it is.
                      Why they’ll lie, he also wrote. Just a reasonable person has enough material to draw conclusions. Who didn’t, it's not my fault.
                      The principle of life is simple if the author deliberately lies, that means he wants to deceive you and then use it for his own purposes. You will also understand this, it may not be too late.
                      “the Germans from the very beginning behaved like barbarians, you don’t argue anymore.” - and you, purely for the sake of interest, study Kalishsky Pogrom, open-mindedly, you can make amazing discoveries for yourself.
                    3. Albatroz 11 October 2019 06: 16 New
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                      So far we have answered one question:
                      deliberately lying someone karabut. verbose and confusing.
                      And there are no questions
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                      deliberately lying someone karabut. verbose and confusing.

                      That's right. in one brochure, he read out a textbook case of a pogrom in Kalish and is a fool. Although during the mobilization and maneuvering operations at the border, really opponents often repeatedly entered one or another city.
                      In the same Kalish or Markgrabov.
                      By the way, a striking indicator of self-doubt of such troll-Karabuts is that in your words
                      Another source also says that Bendin and Czestochow were busy on July 19 (that is, August 1)
                      he did not even ask for clarification.
                      The truth for him is somewhere nearby - only in his head.
                      I think the topic with such karabuts is exhausted
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                    To which I said that the article is deceiving. Cited the fact

                    All you did was bring about the possibility of one inaccuracy (despite the fact that the source of the note was a random person, although at one time they were outraged by the reference to Sazonov), and there are many facts there.
                    Quote: Karabut
                    The principle of life is simple if the author intentionally lies, that means he wants to deceive you and then use it for his own purposes

                    The thief screams the thief loudest.
                    Quote: Karabut
                    and you, purely for the sake of interest, study Kalishsky Pogrom, an open mind

                    I quoted from your own source, so if you don’t like it, then what have I to do with it? Well, it did not work for you to shut up the uncomfortable facts.
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    Karabut (Karabut) Yesterday, 22:12 PM

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    Okay, get the first fact from your deceitful article- "The fact is that already on the night of August 1 (that is, BEFORE Germany declares war on Russia), German troops attacked and captured Bendin and Kalisz without a fight. That is, they committed an explicit act aggression against the territory of the Russian Empire "
    Now quotes-1914 - From a note by the auditor of the Kalishko-Petrokovsky excise department of the process engineer Z. I. Oppman

    ... On the night of July 19 to 20 (August 1 to 2), upon receipt by the governor of a telegram declaring war, the last train leaving at about 4 a.m., only officials and some officials managed to leave Kalish. All residents of the city, with the complete absence of crews and the supply of will or not, had to stay with families in Kalisz ...

    On the same day, in the afternoon, the Kalishans were informed that German troops were approaching the city with the first German lancer who appeared in the city, who galloped galloping from the slingshot to the European Hotel and back, falling twice from the horse: the lancer was completely drunk and terribly frightened; stopping on a slingshot along with another lancer who had approached the slingshot by that time, he, not yet recovering from fright, immediately began to share his impressions with the crowd surrounding him, and he said that he and his comrade should have been the first to jump into the city by the drawn lot and went, in their opinion, to certain death.

    Half an hour after the appearance in Kalisz of 2 Prussian Lancers, a German detachment led by

    [11]

    an officer. Towards the crossing, the president of the city and 3 prominent inhabitants who know German spoke on the main white-flag Brocław street. The officer talked with the city delegates for about 15 minutes, putting his gun in turn at the temple of each of them, at the same time all the soldiers of the detachment held revolvers and peaks in their hands directed towards the delegates ... Monday morning 21 (3) at all angles the announcements of the commandant of Proysker appeared, in which the inhabitants were called to calm; they were invited to open trade, since the life and integrity of the property of residents is not in danger. On the same day, the commandant introduced martial law in the city, stopped the action of the philistine militia, and reinforced soldiers began to walk around the city ... "


    Bravo Karabut (Karabut)
    The author should say thank you!
    You have just confirmed the fidelity of this fact, recorded in the annals of war and noted in the article.
    The fact that German troops entered the territory of the Russian empire BEFORE the declaration of war - on the night of July 19.
    The announcement itself occurred on July 19 at 19 o’clock. Whatever the ulans did not fall from the horses, they were on ter. Russian Empire BEFORE ANNOUNCEMENT OF WAR.
    And thank you buddy from all the adequate commentators wink
    1. Foul skeptic 10 October 2019 08: 35 New
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      On the night of July 19 to 20 (from August 1 to 2) upon receipt by the governor of a telegram declaration of war

      Same afternoon Kalishans were informed about approaching the city of German troops

      But here it is written that they recognized the declaration of war at night, and after that the German troops entered the same afternoon.
    2. Karabut 10 October 2019 09: 59 New
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      In the wrong days Germany declared war on August 1, the Lancers were on the afternoon of August 2.
      For example, Russian hussars crossed the German border on the night of August 1 to 2, having received an order
      on the evening of the 1st, before the official declaration of war by Russia by Germany.
      1. Black joe 10 October 2019 15: 13 New
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        Lied and you karabut and yours sang a vile skeptic.
        You correct it in your post.
        The annals of war is a timeline, an official source.
        And the picture (real) is this: AT NIGHT on July 19 (August 1) the Germans were already on Russian territory.
        They declared war on Russia at 19 hours on July 19 (August 1). That is LATE.
        Russian hussars: firstly, they moved to the German border in the evening of July 20 (August 2), that is, not only after Germany declared the war of Russia, but also after Russia declared the war of Germany in return. So say the documents.
        But even here you lied to the Karabut, once again it’s simply ridiculous.
        For even that
        Russian hussars, for example, crossed the German border on the night of August 1 to 2
        anyway after the declaration of war. For Germany announced it at 19 hours on July 19 (August 1) laughing lol
        conclusion.
        German troops BEFORE the declaration of war entered Russian territory. Russian troops performed similar actions AFTER ANNOUNCEMENT of the war.
        These are the facts, and that is why again Germany is the aggressor
  • Olgovich 10 October 2019 08: 26 New
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    Quote: Karabut
    Okay, get the first fact from your deceitful article- "The fact is that already on the night of August 1 (that is, BEFORE Germany declared the war of Russia), German troops attacked and captured Bendin and Kalisz without a fight. That is, they committed an explicit act aggression against the territory of the Russian Empire. "
    Of notes Auditor of the Kalishko-Petrokovsky excise department of a process engineer Z. I. Oppman

    You do not blame the author for the lies (he just cited the data), but OFFICIAL STATE EDITION OF RI "Annals of War" issue 1., where it is clearly indicated that the attack on Kalisz and Bendin occurred in the night on 19 July .

    And you’re proto-delivering this state publicationfool .... a subjective note of a person trembling in the basement, who could simply not see or confuse what is happening.
    By the way, what about the “lie” about the attack on Mr. Bendin — how can you deny it — is there also a “note”? lol
    Funny and miserable "whistleblower" ....lol
    But ambition, pant-hoo! laughing
    1. Ekzutor 10 October 2019 20: 30 New
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      Karabut also distorts the old and new styles
      To heap
      1. Karabut 10 October 2019 21: 17 New
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        Give an example, liar?
        1. Ekzutor 10 October 2019 21: 48 New
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          Read Your False Posts Above
  • What is wrong with Nicholas II? If we compare the territories of the three well-known states, we see in the winners the Russian Empire led by him. The Stalinist USSR was already smaller and could not afford such “pranks”, such as a SHORT road along someone else’s territory (CER) ... the Russian Federation is much smaller than the USSR. This state (RF) should not even be compared with RI ... And they are not close. What heights in culture, science! What warships were built in the empire !! And how fast! Organization of the submarine fleet. .. Four-engine aircraft Sikorsky ... And how many aircraft factories and factories, how many flying clubs? What are there ,, superjets ,, for 15 years launched in a series .... Another dynamics of life. Gold 5 and 10 ruble coins. Rubles and fifty dollars from silver ... Repeat if you can? As they said about the political leaders at the end of the last century: ,, Fuck, do not toss bags, What an officer corps! It was at the end of the 2th century that a duel was brought back to life in Russia. How far is this from the realities of the current state! Officers, non-commissioned officers, privates, brought up in the state headed by Nicholas II, later successfully served in the Red Army. It was they who, in just 4 (XNUMX) years, drove everyone from their territory — Americans, Japanese, English, French, Czechs .... Such was the quality of training for defenders of the Fatherland. Therefore, do not rush to mock the memory of those who laid a solid foundation, those whose legacy is still, we’ll eat through,
    1. Karabut 9 October 2019 22: 15 New
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      Good banter ..))
  • Cartalon 9 October 2019 06: 12 New
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    Crap one and lick the other is not an analysis
    1. Albatroz 9 October 2019 08: 10 New
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      Crap one and lick the other is not an analysis

      as well as malice is not a comment Kartalon Mikhail))
      And with the facts - you need to be friends.
      both about you and about you. And others)
      1. Cartalon 9 October 2019 08: 15 New
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        The fact is that a person who believes himself to be the master of the Russian land, this very land, is not further printed
        1. Albatroz 9 October 2019 08: 24 New
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          The fact is that a person who believes himself to be the master of the Russian land, this very land, is not further printed

          How is this?
          Trying to save the world until the last?
          Or in the end, having entered a war in which it was still impossible not to enter?
          1. Cartalon 9 October 2019 08: 28 New
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            Appointing the prime minister as the minister of the ancient elder, appointing the person who lost the war as commander of the front.
            1. Albatroz 9 October 2019 08: 31 New
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              I did not understand a bit of humor:
              a) What prime minister pulls on an old man in 1914?
              b) Nikolai Nikolaevich, the younger war did not lose, or something I do not know?
              1. Cartalon 9 October 2019 09: 17 New
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                The surname Goremykin does not tell you anything, the fronts in the RIA, commanders-in-chief
                1. Hunghuz 9 October 2019 09: 43 New
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                  In 1914, Goremykin was the prime minister ???
                  Zhilinsky and Ivanov lost the war ????
                  1. Cartalon 9 October 2019 09: 52 New
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                    Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Russian Empire
                    January 31, 1914 - January 20, 1916
                    Kuropatkin lost the war, he helped Evert ruin the company for 16 years.
                    But Mr. Zhilinsky and Ivanovna, you yourself remembered how wonderfully two of the two commanders-in-chief are incompetent, but the supreme is no better.
                    1. Hunghuz 9 October 2019 10: 08 New
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                      It’s always easier to water mud isn’t it?
                      The update process was going on, imagine. The front commanders also changed. The northern front was calm, and Kuropatkin was also suitable there. By the way, he was a good administrator, so by the way
                      1. Cartalon 9 October 2019 10: 33 New
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                        Any front to which General Kuropatkin was appointed was calm, let Volyn bleed blood there, everything is calm with us.
                      2. Albatroz 9 October 2019 15: 18 New
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                        And he, the Northern Front, is calm in strategic geographic reasons, and not because Kuropatkin or Kartalon are on it
                      3. Karabut 9 October 2019 16: 47 New
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                        So calm that Riga managed to give the fifth city in terms of number in the empire.))
                      4. Albatroz 9 October 2019 20: 37 New
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                        So calm that Riga managed to give the fifth city in terms of number in the empire.))

                        laughing laughing
                        A connoisseur however. In quotation marks naturally.
                        And what, they gave Riga under Kuropatkin ??))) Well, look at your favorite Wikipedia at least))
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                        Albatroz (Manfred) Today, 15:18 PM

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                        The Entente’s victory is the victory of Russia. Who is to blame for the outbreak of World War I?
                        --And he, the Northern Front, is calm in terms of strategic geographic reasons, and not because Kuropatkin or Kartalon are on it ---- this is a turn!
                        Moron forgot that he wrote a few hours ago! Again struck the bottom
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                        You called me a moron ??
                        Just this term applies to a creature that teaches others not owning material.
                        To begin with, study at which comfront they surrendered Riga, and then you will vote
                      7. Karabut 9 October 2019 23: 50 New
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                        No, what are you? You are a smart, smart boy .. I just didn’t understand that he was carving himself.))
                      8. Albatroz 10 October 2019 07: 33 New
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                        Am I carving myself ??
                        It’s you who lady carved yourself with your ignorance of elementalism
                      9. Black joe 10 October 2019 07: 52 New
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                        Illiterate Karabut climbed up, do not pay attention to this troll. He does not even understand what he is writing about, contradicting himself
                        False Custom Chatterbox lol
  • Karabut 9 October 2019 13: 37 New
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    --- Trying to preserve peace until the very end? --- began general mobilization, that is, in fact he declared war.
    ---- in the end, having entered a war in which it was all the same impossible not to enter ---- all that was necessary was to observe the Bjerk Treaty of 1905 and there would be no war in Europe.
    It was much more reliable than the Gag’s talking room.
    1. Albatroz 9 October 2019 15: 17 New
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      They also explained the situation with mobilization
      and hopefully explain more
      it was necessary to comply with the Bierca Treaty of 1905

      yeah, the recipe
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        1. That is, you have nothing to say about mobilization.
        2. Why don’t you like the Bjerk Treaty? The patterns are tearing, the Germans offer peace and friendship,
        and the "saint" then signs the contract, then suddenly refuses to fulfill the nickname "king-rag" and showing his true face to the arsonist of the war?
        1. Trapperxnumx 9 October 2019 16: 43 New
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          1: So you have nothing to say about mobilization

          The position of the Hague Conference speaks to you about mobilization, but you somehow surprisingly ignore it.
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            I really ignore the Gaga conference. Since all participants in the war violated its points. For example, what is the point
            a) use poison or poisoned weapons;
            e) use weapons, shells or substances capable of causing unnecessary suffering;
            Now it's your turn to tell you what they wrote about mobilization in conventions.))

            That's why it seems to me that there will be nothing to say to you and there will be an ordinary flush.
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              Now it's your turn to tell you what they wrote about mobilization in conventions.))

              The fact of the matter is that the convention did not define mobilization as the beginning of a war. However, talking about it is like blowing against the wind.
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          how is it nothing?
          Can't read articles?
          Or can we not read Russian?
          and who the arsonist of war is your favorite Kaiser
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            Genose Manfred, your tantrum is the best present for me !!!
            My "favorite Kaiser" and I are just delighted with you!
            1. Albatroz 9 October 2019 18: 07 New
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              Hysterics???
              Yes, I’m calm as an elephant))
              It's funny to hear from the newborn such childish reproaches))
              1. Karabut 9 October 2019 19: 42 New
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                I am calm as an elephant))
                Then what are you asking Manfred stupid questions?
                If you are in correspondence with a person, why can he read and then “read Russian”? Do you need to write in English? Or German, since you took a German name? Or is your native language Yiddish?
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                So because - Karabut, you ask about mobilization, although everything is written about them in black and white
                And even in Russian request
                or karabut is not a reader, he is a writer laughing as in that joke
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                Where is it written? Here I ask Trapper7 (Dmitry) he writes "The situation of the Hague Conference speaks to you about mobilization"
                Then I ask him, "Now it's your turn to tell you what they wrote about mobilization in conventions." He has been silent for several hours, apparently reading the conventions.
                Now you are talking in riddles, they say the truth is written about mobilization, but where I will not say!
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                Incoherent and confused koment your Karabut request only confirms that you have not read an article where the entire chronology is written
  • Dart2027 9 October 2019 18: 55 New
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    Quote: Karabut
    1. That is, you have nothing to say about mobilization.

    And remember, who first announced the mobilization?
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      We have already discussed the issue of emnip on October 1 with you, since you didn’t understand anything, I don’t see any reason to repeat everything anew, for which my blah blah blah blah ..))
      1. Dart2027 9 October 2019 19: 26 New
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        We have already discussed with you on this topic emnip-1 October

        When I asked you to bring your source (a specific link, to a specific place), you got nervous and moved off the topic, because it simply was not there.
        1. Karabut 9 October 2019 20: 36 New
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          Remind me, I was then wondering what kind of link you constantly demand. I undertake to provide it even here, even there, just explain which and what?
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          Quote: Karabut
          Remind me, I was then wondering what kind of link you constantly demand.

          Quote: Dart2027
          And remember, who first announced the mobilization?
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          Link to who first started the mobilization?
        4. Black joe 10 October 2019 07: 54 New
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          You need links everywhere, an Internet worm, nowhere without them lol
          The chronology is well known in those days when the Internet was not good
        5. Dart2027 10 October 2019 19: 32 New
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          Link to who first started the mobilization?

          So where is she?
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          Black Joe (Amantai) Today, 07:54 AM

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          You need links everywhere, an Internet worm, without them anywhere lol
          The chronology is well known in those days when the Internet was not
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          You need links everywhere, an Internet worm, nowhere without them

          That is, all that you wrote here about the fact that RI supposedly began the mobilization of ordinary lies first.
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          RI started the FIRST UNIVERSAL mobilization, what is it not?
          Do you not know this?
        9. Karabut 10 October 2019 22: 40 New
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          Right in the article that is given above is a telegram by Wilhelm-Nicky (July 30) where it is written in black and white.
          Even Black Joe is laughing at you!
        10. Dart2027 10 October 2019 23: 00 New
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          Quote: Karabut
          Right in the article above is given the telegram of William

          Is this where it is explained that RI is forced to mobilize in response to the mobilization of AB?
          Quote: Karabut
          RI started the FIRST UNIVERSAL mobilization, what is it not?

          Already discussed. There are still no sources, but the fact that AB concentrated the troops on the border of the Republic of Ingushetia is a fact.
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          --- AB concentrated the troops on the border of the Republic of Ingushetia fact .-- - a reference to this fact., Weakly.
        12. Square 11 October 2019 06: 29 New
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          Links to facts do not give the poor fellow
          They are extracted based on sources
        13. Dart2027 11 October 2019 19: 39 New
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          Quote: Karabut
          reference to this fact

          July 26 - Austria-Hungary announces mobilization and begins to concentrate troops on the border with Serbia and Russia.
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/1914_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4_%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8
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    Square (Ivan Maximov) Today, 06:29 New

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    Links to facts do not give the poor fellow
    They are extracted based on sources
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    They are extracted based on sources

    that's it
    not links))
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    Quote: Albatroz
    Or in the end, having entered a war in which it was still impossible not to enter?

    I still think that it was possible not to enter.
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      It was necessary not to enter, and if to enter it at the end as a winner, such as the United States, having become rich in the war.
      Do so N 2 he would have monuments across the country.
      1. Dart2027 9 October 2019 19: 50 New
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        Quote: Karabut
        and if you enter then in the end as a winner, such as the United States

        Please tell me which ocean separated RI from the database?
        1. Karabut 9 October 2019 20: 57 New
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          Please tell me. What is it in your database that I requested the Yandex search engine and got it.
          DB is an abbreviation that stands for "database"
          Now I have to ask what is RI and on this to judge your disorder?
          Or write a question normally?
          1. Dart2027 9 October 2019 21: 59 New
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            Quote: Karabut
            Please tell me what is in your database I requested Yandex search engine

            DB - Fighting.
            RI - Russian Empire.
            Quote: Dart2027
            Please tell me which ocean separated RI from the database?
            1. Karabut 9 October 2019 23: 06 New
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              And which ocean separated RI from the database in the Franco-Prussian war?
              In the two Balkan wars of 1912-13, they stayed, because they did not enter.
              What is the logic of Vietnam or Iraq separating the ocean from the United States, and they entered the BD there, but Russia (USSR) does not. And what does this prove?
              1. Black joe 10 October 2019 07: 56 New
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                And which ocean separated RI from the database in the Franco-Prussian war?
                In the two Balkan wars of 1912-13, they stayed, because they did not enter.
                What is the logic of Vietnam or Iraq separating the ocean from the United States, and they entered the BD there, but Russia (USSR) does not. And what does this prove?

                another indicator of this commentator’s unreasonability.
                And what, Karabut, did the Franco-Russian Union already exist in the Franco-Prussian War?)
                And what about Karabut, in the years 1912-13, a world war began - did everyone enter, and only Russia did not?
                Why these childish analogies are unclear
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                And what, ..., did the Franco-Russian Union already exist in the Franco-Prussian War?)

                And in the beginning of the 20th century there was a Serbian-Russian union?
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                I'm stupid parallels of karabut)
          2. Dart2027 10 October 2019 19: 33 New
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            Quote: Karabut
            In the two Balkan wars of 1912-13, they survived, because

            A person who does not understand the difference between local conflicts and world war is trying to teach others stories.
  • Olgovich 10 October 2019 08: 39 New
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    I still think that it was possible not to enter.

    yeah, like June 22, 41
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    Albatross sorry, accidentally set a minus ... and then + .. I support .... the neocommies who occupied the site cause squeamishness and make it clear to everyone how stiff and nasty they are .. yes they are just cannibals still dreaming of sass hecate bombs and shootings ... verily in the eyes - God's dew .... it's all about them ..!
  • Far B 9 October 2019 06: 15 New
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    Well, he, all of himself so volitional, calmly decisive, spiritualized, as a result, the empire pro ... fuked? Exactly the same, according to the author, as well as the show-window-dresser Wilhelm?
    1. Plantagenet 9 October 2019 07: 48 New
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      “Until today, the Russian emigration retained and even developed a legitimistic argument that our pious emperor in those days was surrounded by worthless people and traitors.

      Yes it is. But: and is it not his main fault? Who has chosen and appointed all these insignificances, if not himself? Why did he use the 22 of his undivided power? How could it be possible with such amazingly consistent blindness - to find only the worst and only unreliable in all government and military posts? It is these all traitors - to elect and exalt? A joint series of such appointments cannot be an accident. "For the wreck of the ship - who is responsible for the captain?


      A. Solzhenitsyn "Reflection on the February Revolution"
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        Quote: Plantagenet
        A. Solzhenitsyn "Reflection on the February Revolution"

        Not entirely successful quotes, Solzhenitsyn had very confused fabrications about the February Revolution, as well as his historical novel Red wheel - which included all these very chaotic thoughts, decades later (!) he himself admitted this.
        1. Plantagenet 9 October 2019 08: 24 New
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          Further more.

          “In his non-royal indecision - his main vice for the Russian throne. In the same implacable conflict with an educated society, one could stand on a rock, and he let himself be bent and intimidated.
          He lived in the consciousness of his weakness against the educated class - and this was already half the victory of the future revolution. "

          A. Solzhenitsyn "Reflection on the February Revolution"
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            Quote: Plantagenet
            A. Solzhenitsyn "Reflection on the February Revolution"

            Further - more, you begin to bore him with quotes, I repeat once again - Alexander Isaevich himself repented (after decades !!!) for this writing, by the way this very weak and confused novel (Red wheel) he composed from the position of a Bolshevik propagandist.
            1. Plantagenet 9 October 2019 08: 39 New
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              "You start to bore him with quotes,"

              Then maybe you should not read?

              "he composed from the perspective of a Bolshevik propagandist."

              A.I.Solzhenitsyn is a Bolshevik propagandist? what

              "by the way, this is his very weak and confused novel"

              By the way, there were rumors on the network that after the riots on 2011-2012 Bolotnaya Square, the GDP personally ordered the distribution of “Reflection on the February Revolution” among officials of the power block. I don’t know, maybe the truth, maybe a fake. But for some reason then, this work was on everyone’s lips.
              1. bober1982 9 October 2019 08: 45 New
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                Quote: Plantagenet
                A.I.Solzhenitsyn is a Bolshevik propagandist?

                Yes, he began his struggle against the bloody Stalinist tyranny like a Leninist, so to speak a real Bolshevik.
                Quote: Plantagenet
                By the way, there were rumors on the network that after the riots on Bolotnaya Square 2011-2012, the GDP personally ordered the distribution of “Reflection on the February Revolution” among officials of the power block

                Of course, they were amusing, what can I say, I got the impression that you were an active participant in the riots on Bolotnaya.
      2. Far B 9 October 2019 08: 04 New
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        Solzhenitsyn, of course, is still ... hmm ... But:
        Yes it is. But: and is it not his main fault? Who has chosen and appointed all these insignificances, if not himself? What did he use for 22 years of his undivided power? How could it be possible with such amazingly consistent blindness - to find only the worst and only unreliable in all government and military posts? It is these all traitors - to elect and exalt? A joint series of such appointments cannot be an accident. For the wreck of the ship - who is responsible more than the captain?
        Did he write about Nikolenka exactly? Some of the current ones remind me painfully. And 22 years old, again ... Close, very close ...
        1. Plantagenet 9 October 2019 08: 16 New
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          They say history repeats itself periodically - the first time as a tragedy, the second as a farce.
  • bober1982 9 October 2019 07: 26 New
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    Any positive mention of the name of Nicholas II, in a certain category of citizens, causes a kind of fit of anger.
    The Russian Tsar could not stop the war, and the matter was not in his nobility, honesty, modesty - the forces were unequal, all the monarchies were sentenced to liquidation.
    1. Maki Avellevich 9 October 2019 08: 03 New
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      Quote: bober1982
      The Russian Tsar could not stop the war, and the matter was not in his nobility, honesty, modesty - the forces were unequal, all the monarchies were sentenced to liquidation.

      For some reason, the English crown was not sentenced, but, on the contrary, pronounced sentences.
      most likely it was not possible to prevent a war but not play the role of a pawn in it, the Emperor can be expected.
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        Quote: Maki Avellevich
        The English crown for some reason was not sentenced, but rather

        Well, what you want is foggy Albion.
      2. Plantagenet 9 October 2019 08: 53 New
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        "it was most likely not possible to prevent the war but not to play the role of a pawn in it, the Emperor can be expected."

        “And one more private parallel: in both wars we were financially dependent on the Western allies. But the tsarist government and then the temporary ones were fawning on the allies, and Stalin dictated the conditions to them himself.”

        A.I.Solzhenitsyn
        1. Nasrat 9 October 2019 09: 32 New
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          Have they taken Solzhenitsyn for authority and began to quote? wassat funny people with us ... maybe that's why it lives so not arranged ... In support of Stalin, quotations of Solzhenitsyn are cited ... wassat Would you then advise reading his books, such as the Gulag ... wassat
          1. Plantagenet 9 October 2019 09: 49 New
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            If you don’t like it - why read? Especially to comment.
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              Quote: Plantagenet
              If you don’t like it - why read? Especially to comment.

              This site is like this - they read and comment here ... wink
              1. Plantagenet 9 October 2019 10: 31 New
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                It happens. what

                "we have funny people ... maybe that’s why it lives so unsettled ..."

                Or maybe that's why?
      3. Karabut 9 October 2019 16: 50 New
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        ---- it was most likely not possible to prevent war --- it is quite possible to observe the H2 of the 1905 Bjerk Treaty signed by him.
        1. Maki Avellevich 9 October 2019 16: 57 New
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          Quote: Karabut
          ---- it was most likely not possible to prevent war --- it is quite possible to observe the H2 of the 1905 Bjerk Treaty signed by him.

          Well yes. It is called
          five year peace treaty
          1. Karabut 9 October 2019 19: 33 New
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            That is, do you agree that the Bierk treaty of 1905 provided peace in Europe and the only problem was the short term "five-year agreement on eternal peace"?
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              Quote: Karabut
              That is, do you agree that the Bierk treaty of 1905 provided peace in Europe and the only problem was the short term "five-year agreement on eternal peace"?

              The agreement is respected while both parties are interested in this.
              Signed paper alone costs nothing
              1. Karabut 9 October 2019 19: 55 New
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                So what was then Russia's interest in fighting Germany?
                1. Black joe 10 October 2019 07: 58 New
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                  Well done boy))
                  Russia did not have any interest. The baby is finally ripe
                  1. Karabut 10 October 2019 10: 14 New
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                    But why then not fulfill the contract? Where is the logic of uncle?
                    However, from whom I demand this from a person who does not even know how to count.
                    I thought the bottom was Olgovich, but you appeared Black Joe ...
                    1. Black joe 10 October 2019 15: 35 New
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                      What is trolkin contract
                      Russia has always complied. Despite the fact that she did not want to go to war
    2. BAI
      BAI 9 October 2019 10: 06 New
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      all monarchies were sentenced to liquidation

      It’s a good idea. You try to convey this to those who blame the Bolsheviks for everything. It is even appropriate to recall that Nikolai was overthrown by the joint efforts of the bourgeoisie, the generals and members of the royal family.
      1. bober1982 9 October 2019 10: 19 New
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        Quote: BAI
        Nicholas was overthrown by the joint efforts of the bourgeoisie, the generals and members of the royal family.

        Yes, but we were taught according to Soviet textbooks that the February revolution was bourgeois, this revolution was not such, by the way, then the “church” revolution took place - renovationism, heresy, a sensitive blow was dealt to the Church.
      2. Nasrat 9 October 2019 10: 20 New
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        Quote: BAI

        ... overthrown by joint efforts the bourgeoisie, the generals and members of the royal family.

        which is not disputed! add ... and the Bolsheviks shot him .. it turns out everyone acted according to the script?
        1. BAI
          BAI 9 October 2019 13: 45 New
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          and the Bolsheviks shot him

          Add it already - after the Church refused to redeem it from the guards assigned not by the Bolsheviks, but by the Provisional Government (and now the Russian Orthodox Church hypocritically reckons it with the sufferers, and itself, so to speak, has given it up for slaughter). As you know, the payment of salaries to the king’s guard was stopped after the October Revolution, and the guard was simply ready to give the king to the one who would pay. The money was raised, but the local archbishop did not give it to the guard. And there the Bolsheviks themselves, for free, changed their guard. By the way, where the collected money went is unknown.
          It turns out everyone acted on the script?

          And here, according to the laws of the genre, it is necessary to remember the Jews. Because something according to many readers of VO in all the troubles of Russia - wars, hurricanes. earthquakes, epidemics, etc. Jews are to blame. Without them it is impossible. Not a complete group of events is obtained.
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            Quote: BAI
            The church refused to redeem him from the guard assigned not by the Bolsheviks, but by the Provisional Government

            Quote: BAI
            The money was raised, but the local archbishop did not give it to the guard.

            Who told you all this, such nonsense, of course, they invented around the king, but to such nonsense.
          2. Nasrat 9 October 2019 14: 52 New
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            Quote: BAI
            and the Bolsheviks shot him

            Add it already - after the Church refused to redeem it from the guards assigned not by the Bolsheviks, but by the Provisional Government (and now the Russian Orthodox Church hypocritically reckons it with the sufferers, and itself, so to speak, has given it up for slaughter). As you know, the payment of salaries to the king’s guard was stopped after the October Revolution, and the guard was simply ready to give the king to the one who would pay. The money was raised, but the local archbishop did not give it to the guard. And there the Bolsheviks themselves, for free, changed their guard. By the way, where the collected money went is unknown.
            It turns out everyone acted on the script?

            And here, according to the laws of the genre, it is necessary to remember the Jews. Because something according to many readers of VO in all the troubles of Russia - wars, hurricanes. earthquakes, epidemics, etc. Jews are to blame. Without them it is impossible. Not a complete group of events is obtained.

            And the funny thing: the USSR exactly repeated this moment of history in 1990, at a new round (of course!) There were no bourgeoisie, no relatives of the tsar ... but the result was the same! They just didn’t shoot Gorbach .... As I understand it, the Bolsheviks (communists) have nothing to do with it again?
          3. Karabut 9 October 2019 16: 43 New
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            The guard of Nikolai Romvnov consisted of soldiers of the Guards Rifle Regiments of 330 soldiers and 7 officers. The so-called Special Forces received double salary for this, their commander, Colonel E. S. Kobylinsky, dined at the table with the Romanov family. was an impressive force and could take away and save the Romanovs, the question was about money (salaries for soldiers), the Romanovs did not find money for their salvation.
            From the memoirs of Yurovsky (spelling preserved):

            “The daughters were wearing bodices, so well made of solid diamond and other valuable stones, which were not only containers for valuables, but also protective armor.

            That is why neither the bullet nor the bayonet gave results when firing and striking the bayonet. By the way, nobody is guilty of these dying torments of them, by the way. These values ​​turned out to be only about (half) pood. The greed was so great that, by the way, A [lexander] Fedorovna was just a huge piece of round gold wire, bent in the form of a bracelet, weighing about a pound ... Those parts of the values ​​that were discovered during excavations undoubtedly belonged to things sewn separately and when burning remained in the ashes of bonfires "
            1. Foul skeptic 10 October 2019 08: 43 New
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              “The daughters were wearing bodices, so well made of solid diamond and other valuable stones, which were not only containers for valuables, but also protective armor.

              That is why neither the bullet nor the bayonet gave results when firing and striking the bayonet.

              It doesn't seem to be true
              1. Karabut 10 October 2019 10: 16 New
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                All questions to Yurovsky are gold, diamonds he passed to Gokhran.
                Do you have a similar experience?
                1. Foul skeptic 10 October 2019 11: 17 New
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                  That is why neither the bullet nor the bayonet gave results when firing and striking the bayonet.

                  this does not seem to be true.
                  Do you have a similar experience?

                  Gem Shooting Experience? )))
                  1. Karabut 10 October 2019 11: 24 New
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                    Given the then female corset, and even lined with "pebbles", why not?
                    1. Foul skeptic 10 October 2019 14: 00 New
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                      Because a corset is nothing more than a mustache frame covered in fabric. And the “pebbles” themselves are fragile and close to the body.
      3. Karabut 9 October 2019 17: 31 New
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        The most interesting thing is that they overthrew him with the best intentions for Russia, which they wanted to save from a leader who could not lead, who drove the country into a bloody impasse. This was already understood by most educated people in 16-17.
        But after a hundred years the ignoramuses grew up again and began to "myrrh-streaming", I’m trying to understand, well, you don’t like Soviet power, which has not existed for thirty years, well, drown at least for Alexander 3, Catherine 2, etc.
        But N 2 sucks, which made for the revolutions in Russia more than all the Social Revolutionaries and Bolsheviks combined, but no, they cannot even understand this.
        Maybe the Russian Orthodox Church gained the cheapness of these trolls, beavers and olgovichs, from Tajik gaster, Uzbeks?))
  • Korsar4 9 October 2019 07: 41 New
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    But Leo Tolstoy is right. Whatever telegram or note you make up, the flow of events cannot be stopped.
  • Albatroz 9 October 2019 08: 06 New
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    The article rightly emphasizes and outlines the facts.
    Which grief-commentators above are trying to flood the torrents of their torrents is not the case.
    Indeed, the German bloc was an aggressor - both legally and in fact. So, Germany declared war on Russia on August 19 at 19 o’clock, and German troops attacked Russian cities already at night on August 19.
    Facts as they say stubborn thing)
    1. Olgovich 9 October 2019 08: 56 New
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      Quote: Albatroz
      The article rightly emphasizes and outlines the facts.
      Which woe-commentators above are trying to fill streams their torments not the case.

      In the case, they have nothing to say (except for the "flows"): you can’t argue against the FACTS.
      Quote: Albatroz
      Indeed, the German bloc was an aggressor - both legally and in fact. So, Germany declared war on Russia on August 19 at 19 o’clock, and German troops attacked Russian cities already at night on August 19.

      All is true, but not on August 19, but on July 19. hi
      1. Alexander Suvorov 9 October 2019 09: 37 New
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        Olgovich (Andrey)
        In the case, they have nothing to say (except for "flows")
        That you yourself correctly noticed!
        against the facts, no arguing.
        Well, don’t, because your "facts" look more like pulling an owl on a globe!
        1. Olgovich 9 October 2019 10: 41 New
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          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          It you to yourself correctly noticed!


          Leave me alone and focus on the topic yes
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          Well, don’t, because your "facts" look more like pulling an owl on a globe !!

          В beautiful article-ALL is written.

          What, apart from the empty malice of general chatter, can you contrast? Nothing?
          It's nothing.
          t.d.
  • Dalton 9 October 2019 08: 19 New
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    Russia needed peace. All perfectly understood this.
    Based on the implementation of modernization programs for the armed forces and the military industry. That is what the great Stolypin bequeathed.
    Germany and Austria needed an quick and fleeting war. Until the opponents intensified. Yes, and the urge to revise borders was running out.
    So the parties acted.
    Thanks for the interesting article, neither turn it down nor add
  • Avior 9 October 2019 09: 09 New
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    The tale of how Willy, Nicky and Gog, aka Gosh, aka Zhora quarreled.
    Family conflict - two cousins, grandchildren of Queen Victoria Wilhelm2 and George 5 with the participation of their son-in-law Nicholas 2, married to the granddaughter of Queen Victoria, and again cousin George 5, and part-time also his double

    They quarreled among themselves. Only the consequences were not family at all ...
    1. bober1982 9 October 2019 09: 21 New
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      Quote: Avior
      two cousins, grandchildren of Queen Victoria Wilhelm2 and George 5 with the participation of their son-in-law Nicholas 2

      Quote: Avior
      and again cousin George 5,

      You are confused in the royal lineage.
      1. Avior 9 October 2019 09: 25 New
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        Correct if something is wrong with their family ties of King George 5
        mother - Alexandra of Denmark. She is the sister of Maria Fedorovna - the wife of the Russian emperor Alexander III and the mother of the last Russian emperor Nicholas II. George V was very similar in appearance to Nicholas II, his maternal cousin: George Alexander’s mother and Nikolai Dagmar’s mother were the daughters of King Christian IX of Denmark and Queen Louise of Hesse-Kasselskaya [8].

        The German emperor Wilhelm II was also brought to his cousin (Wilhelm was the son of the father of George V, the English princess and German empress Victoria, the eldest daughter of the British Queen Victoria).
        1. bober1982 9 October 2019 09: 34 New
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          Nikolai and Georg were cousinsand now re-read what you are reporting. Their mothers and sisters - the Queen of England and the Russian Empress were very similar to each other, hence the similarity of Nicholas and George.
          The German emperor was Nikolai's uncle.
          1. Avior 9 October 2019 09: 47 New
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            Did you write something else?
            Nicholas 2, married to the granddaughter of Queen Victoria, and again cousin George 5, and part-time also his double

            About the double, of course, the joke was about their similarity.
            Nikolai and Georg are cousins.
            Georg and Wilhelm were also cousins.
            It is not clear what mistake you found in me, what exactly was I confused about ....
            1. bober1982 9 October 2019 09: 57 New
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              But, if Nicholas was William's nephew, and with George he was a cousin, then how did William and George were cousins? And how do you understand that Nikolai .... had their son in law
              1. Avior 9 October 2019 10: 32 New
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                I wrote everything
                William was the son of the sister of Father George V, the English princess and German Empress Victoria, the eldest daughter of the British Queen Victoria

                As for the son-in-law (brother-in-law is in the broad sense of the word, if you know what the degree of relationship is called otherwise, write), the wife of Nicholas 2, Victoria Alisa Elena Luis Beatrice Hessen-Darmstadt was, like the grandchildren Wilhelm with George, granddaughter Queen Victoria (that is, George and Wilhelm had a cousin) - the daughter of Alisa Saksen-Korburg-Gotsky, the second daughter of Queen Victoria. Here are the sisters, daughters of Queen Victoria, Alice, the future mother of the wife of Nicholas 2, and Victoria, the future mother of William 2, together in childhood.

                Thus, Nicholas 2 was married to a cousin of William and George.
                Narrow family scandal with narrow consequences ...
                1. bober1982 9 October 2019 10: 42 New
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                  Let it be your way, but how .......
                  Quote: Avior
                  Nicholas 2 was married to a cousin of William and George

                  The cousins ​​were just not enough.
                  Nikolai and Georg are cousins.
                  Wilhelm is an uncle.
                  Briefly and clearly.
                  1. Avior 9 October 2019 12: 58 New
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                    I wrote.
                    Queen Victoria had 9 children, among them Albert Eduard, father of George, Victoria, mother of Wilhelm, Alisa, mother of the future Alexandra Fedorovna, wife of Nicholas 2.
                    With Nikolai, George was a maternal double-cousin, and with paternal William.
                    Why Wilhelm was uncle Nicholas, you did not explain.
                    Uncle is the brother of the father or mother.
                    So whose brother do you think was Wilhelm Alexander 3 or Princess Dagmar (Maria Fedorovna)?
                    Explain somehow so that it is clear why Wilhelm is Uncle Nicholas?
                    1. bober1982 9 October 2019 13: 17 New
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                      Quote: Avior
                      So whose brother do you think was Wilhelm Alexander 3 or Princess Dagmar (Maria Fedorovna)?

                      How did Maria Fedorovna relate to William, that is, the Danish royal dynasty could intersect with the German?
                      Quote: Avior
                      Uncle is the brother of the father or mother.

                      You yourself remember cousins ​​and sons-in-law, but now it’s just uncles and aunts.
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                        I’m asking you, what is the relationship between them? I have nothing against it, if you show that he was a cousin uncle, and I see no contradiction in the fact that there could be different types of relationship between them — they had a narrow circle where they got married or got married.
                        Just explain the relationship through relatives
                      2. bober1982 9 October 2019 14: 25 New
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                        Wilhelm was Nikolai, a second cousin, but not a cousin.
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                        I never wrote that they were cousins.
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                        You said that Nicholas was a son-in-law, and to William, and to George.
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                        Yes, but I did not write that he was his cousin.
                        A son-in-law through a cousin of William.
                        I just don’t know what this relationship is called.
                        And from your answers I still did not understand the connection between William and Nikolai.
                        Can you write a chain?
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                        Quote: Avior
                        And son-in-law through cousin of William

                        Unclear. If you have a mother-in-law, then you have to be a son-in-law, so it’s clear, where does Wilhelm’s cousin?
                        Quote: Avior
                        And from your answers I did not understand the connection between William and Nikolai

                        Wilhelm, second cousin of Nicholas.
                        Quote: Avior
                        Can you write a chain?

                        No I can not.
                      7. Avior 10 October 2019 10: 05 New
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                        Clearly, I myself have already found a relationship between William and Nikolai.

                        In a straight line, Wilhelm II was the second cousin of Nicholas II: great-grandmother Nicholas and the wife of Emperor Nicholas I, Empress Alexandra Fedorovna, born Princess Charlotte Prusskaya, was the sister of William II's grandfather - Emperor Wilhelm I.

                        Wilhelm II's brother, Heinrich of Prussia, was married to Princess Irene of Hesse and Priraine, the sister of Empress Alexandra Feodorovna, and thus was Nicholas II in-laws.

                        Wilhelm II's sister, Princess Sofia, married the king of Greece Constantine I, who was a cousin by her father and a second cousin of Nicholas II by her mother.

                        William II’s uncle by his mother, Duke Alfred of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, was married to Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna, Nicholas II’s aunt.

                        This is only in a straight line, on the sidelines there are almost all the ruling cousin's dynasties among themselves, and multiple, in different lines, they had a very narrow circle.
                        hi
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                        I agree, and I respect you.
                2. Sugar Honeyovich 9 October 2019 17: 07 New
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                  And it is true. The husband of their sister - therefore, son-in-law. And at the same time brother and nephew. drinks
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    Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev in bling posing in front of a mirror? and when only the vegetation on the face muzzle managed to release ...
  • Olgovich 9 October 2019 09: 13 New
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    Nicholas II was the initiator of the convening of a peace conference in The Hague - called not only prevent the impending war, but also to minimize military conflicts on Earth as a whole. The Hague Peace Conferences were prepared and opened only thanks to his perseverance. Moreover, the Russian emperor took this important step long before the start of the Great War. As early as 1898, he turned to the governments of European countries with a proposal to sign agreements on maintaining global peace and limiting the growth of armaments. The Hague Peace Conferences were held in 1899 and 1907.

    Thanks to the Author for this reminder of the leading role of Russia and the Emperor in the struggle for peace.

    Russian empire wasand the only statewhich opposed itself not in any particular country or politician as well common military threat.

    Many do not know, but until the twentieth century, international law was predominantly right of war and in accordance with the so-called right to war, any state - a party to the conflict - could refuse to settle it peacefully and resolve the dispute by armed means.

    However, international law did not no distinction between an aggressor state and a victim state of aggression.

    Only conferences for the first time condemned unambiguously war as a way to resolve disputes.
    Besides. they declared the need for mandatory negotiations instead of wars, the rules and procedure for declaring war and waging war, and prohibiting WMDs.

    At the same time, the world recognized the leading role of Russia and the Emperor in this:

    CONVENTION ON PEACEFUL DECISION OF INTERNATIONAL COLLISIONS (The Hague, October 18, 1907).

    Germany, Russia, USA, France, Japan and others, (a total of 44 states); putting contributing by all means peaceful resolution of international clashes; Desiring to reinforce a sense of international justice ;; Joining the thought of the August Monarch, on whose initiative the International Peace Conference was convened, that it is necessary to secure the beginning of law and justice, on which the security of states and the prosperity of peoples are based, by an international agreement; The High Contracting Parties have agreed as follows:

    SECTION I. ON THE PRESERVATION OF THE UNIVERSAL WORLD

    Article 1
    In order to prevent a recourse to force in relations between states, the Contracting Powers agree to make every effort to ensure a peaceful resolution of international disagreements.
    etc.


    Portrait of the Emperor at the Peace Palace, The Hague.
    1. Foul skeptic 10 October 2019 08: 48 New
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      Many do not know, but until the twentieth century, international law was predominantly the right of war, and in accordance with the so-called right to war, any state - a party to the conflict - could refuse to settle it peacefully and resolve the dispute by armed means.

      Has anything changed in the 20th and 21st centuries? Everyone just wrapped in a decent wrapper, and the filling is still the same. Even if civilian internal conflicts are thrown out of the 144 armed conflicts of the 20th century, it is still clear that everyone wanted to spit on some kind of peace agreement.
      1. Olgovich 10 October 2019 10: 44 New
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        Quote: A vile skeptic
        Has anything changed in the 20th and 21st centuries? Everyone just wrapped in a decent wrapper, and the filling is still the same. Even if civilian internal conflicts are thrown out of the 144 armed conflicts of the 20th century, it is still clear that everyone wanted to spit on some kind of peace agreement.

        Nonsense: failure to fulfill the Law does not mean its uselessness. There is no other way.

        Or do you go with a gun, firing all the time or attacking yourself? belay
  • Nasrat 9 October 2019 09: 18 New
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    Great article! Thanks to the author ... I look forward to continuing!
    I took it to the library!
  • Lieutenant Teterin 9 October 2019 09: 26 New
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    Wonderful and objective article. To the author - my appreciation for the work done. I look forward to continuing with interest!
  • BAI
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    Events related to the July crisis and the outbreak of the First World War, were associated with the deeds of two emperors - Nicholas II and William II.

    Those. the author wants to say that Russia and Germany unleashed the war, and that they bear all the responsibility for the future?
    Is everyone else out of business?
    It is very reminiscent of the allegations that the USSR and fascist Germany are equally responsible for the outbreak of World War II.
    1. Hunghuz 9 October 2019 09: 50 New
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      The war was unleashed by Germany and its satellite Austria.
      How to read texts ????
      1. BAI
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        “Events related to the July crisis and the outbreak of the First World War were related to the actions of two emperors - Nicholas II and William II

        What is written is read.
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          What is written is read.

          Yes
          As one tried to prevent the war, and the second was looking for a reason to start.
          We read it exactly
          1. Albatroz 9 October 2019 15: 37 New
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            And a little BAI advice.
            Man, as I understand it, is an adult, look at the headlines.
            Learn to distinguish - when it is said about who directly unleashed the war from the political and military BACKGROUND thereof. In short, to distinguish between reasons, causes and premises
            1. Foul skeptic 10 October 2019 08: 54 New
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              Learn to distinguish - when it is said about who directly unleashed the war from the political and military BACKGROUND thereof.

              Very good advice. One only needs to understand that in the matter of war or peace, it is precisely the prerequisites of the conflict that are important, only the conflict will mature or not.
              When two boxers are already in the ring - it doesn’t matter who gets the first blow.
              1. Albatroz 10 October 2019 15: 03 New
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                Vile Skeptic (Timur)
                When two boxers are already in the ring - it doesn’t matter who gets the first blow.

                Still need to learn to distinguish the GOALS of war.
                At one (Russia) protect the borders and keep their own. No wonder the last rested. Like England, by the way.
                Another (Germany) has a number of territories of European states. And not only in Europe.
                Be objective in the end, marrying class-ideological blinders
            2. BAI
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              As one tried to prevent the war, and the second sought a reason to start

              And how did you try to prevent it? In words or in deeds?

              1. England had a claim to a rapidly and steadily growing German economy, the pace of production of which had an overwhelming effect on the English economy. In addition, Britain saw in the German Empire a military threat to its sovereignty.
              2. France sought to recover the territories of Alsace and Lorraine lost during the Franco-Prussian clash. These lands were also important for the economy due to the large amount of resources.
              3.Tsarist Russia pursued with its goals the spread of influence on the important economic zone of the Mediterranean and on the settlement of territorial claims on a number of Polish lands and territories in the Balkans.

              Only the deaf did not hear about the desire of RI to take the straits under control.
              1. Albatroz 10 October 2019 14: 59 New
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                And how did you try to prevent it? In words or in deeds?

                Learn to read in Russian
                Only the deaf did not hear about the desire of RI to take the straits under control.

                that is it. We hear a ringing but do not know where he is. For the hundredth time. For the gifted.
                For 1914, planning on this subject was absent. In the end, it was not even clear who Turkey was at that time.
                The projects of 1915 are a sanction against the aggressor, who was already respecting during the war. Having attacked without declaring war.
                Well, tell me, is the aggressor of the USSR, in 1943, divided Germany at conferences?
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                  And the wishes of individuals, though deputies, are nothing more than jirinism
  • Hunghuz 9 October 2019 10: 00 New
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    Dark embittered people who are still dominated by myths and legends do not perceive facts. It `s naturally.
    The facts are such that Russia at the beginning of the 20th century was a dynamically developing state. Another 2-3 countries developed just as dynamically and miscalculated.
    A state that was moving towards dominance. Budgets grew, per capita income. It is terrible even to imagine how far our country would have escaped, if not for war and revolution.
    In 1940 they caught up with the year 1913 ...
    Naturally needed peace. This was perfectly understood by the emperor and the government. But they didn’t give it, I had to enter the war.
    So that after the defeat of the sinter-French, do not be crushed alone. But they created a powerful counterweight to the enemy - the Entente.
    But in 1935-39. brains or desires were not enough to create a second Entente, 2 frontal deadly for the Germans.
    The result - the defeat of France and the withdrawal to Moscow and Stalingrad on the Eastern Front. Yes, they recovered, beat the Germans - but at the cost of all the people's efforts!
    It’s much smarter to not allow such situations!
    How much smarter were people at the beginning of the 20th century ...
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      Quote: Hunghouse
      Dark embittered people who are still dominated by myths and legends do not perceive facts. It `s naturally.
      The facts are such that Russia at the beginning of the 20th century was a dynamically developing state. Another 2-3 countries developed just as dynamically and miscalculated.
      A state that was moving towards dominance. Budgets grew, per capita income. It is terrible even to imagine how far our country would have escaped, if not for war and revolution.
      In 1940 they caught up with the year 1913..
      Naturally needed peace. This was perfectly understood by the emperor and the government. But they didn’t give it, I had to enter the war.
      So that after the defeat of the sinter-French, do not be crushed alone. But they created a powerful counterweight to the enemy - the Entente.
      But in 1935-39. brains or desires were not enough to create a second Entente, 2 frontal deadly for the Germans.
      The result - the defeat of France and the withdrawal to Moscow and Stalingrad on the Eastern Front. Yes, they recovered, beat the Germans - but at the cost of all the people's efforts!
      It’s much smarter to not allow such situations!
      How much smarter were people at the beginning of the 20th century ...

      All rightto the last letter.

      The only thing I think, given unimaginable , the unthinkable losses of Russia after the Thief, the level of 1913, we have never reached.
      1. apro 9 October 2019 13: 21 New
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        Quote: Olgovich
        We never reached the 1913 level.

        The level of what? Per capita consumption? Level of capital export? Educational level? Level of income inequality? Health care? Level of industrial production and share in world production?
        1. Olgovich 9 October 2019 14: 51 New
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          Quote: apro
          The level of what? Per capita consumption? Level of capital export? Educational level? Level of income inequality? Health care? Level of industrial production and share in world production?

          Level of HAPPINESS and FREEDOM.

          And the level of consumption of food, clothing, housing, reached only 40 years after 1913. Those. 40 years LOST. I- PRICE, price ?!

          Or do you think that since your family survived and you, then, then all hurt yourself?

          And the fact that MILLIONS of families of Ivanovs, Petrovs, Sidorovs (NOTHING are the worst of your family), etc., who could live, give birth, work (and in Russia there were ALL possibilities for this) - disappeared, were not born, do not live, - Doesn't it occur to you?

          And today they would also write in VO, but they are NOT!
          1. apro 9 October 2019 15: 21 New
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            Happiness and freedom? What do you mean by this? Happiness and freedom of the poor peasantry? Farm laborers? Day laborers? Or the nobility and upper classes?
            It is clear that the level of bast shoes and weedy bread of homespun portugs of the USSR lagged noticeably behind ri.
            And for the millions of unborn, thank the high-breed and noble and their Western allies who unleashed a civil war.
            1. Kronos 9 October 2019 17: 24 New
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              Olgovich in the Russian Empire had only balls and a crunch of French rolls
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                Quote: Kronos
                in the Russian Empire there were only balls

                That is, in the USSR everyone lived "according to needs"?
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              Quote: apro
              Happiness and freedom? What do you mean by that?

              Freedom is about what in the trail. mode was not. From the word quite.
              And happiness is in freedom.
              Quote: apro
              happiness and freedom of the poor peasantry?laborers? day laborers? or the nobility and upper classes?

              The entire population of Russia, from the peasant to the Emperor. They were FREE, and, therefore, HAPPY people.
              Note that I am not talking about absolute freedom, but about the degree of freedom in the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR. In RI there were enough problems and with EXCESS. But compared to the next .....
              Quote: apro
              It is clear that the level of bast shoes and weedy bread of homespun portoks of the USSR is noticeable lagged behind from ri.

              Here I agree: the USSR produced many less portoks and bread LESS than in the Republic of Ingushetia (Report of the Central Statistical Administration of the USSR 1955)
              Quote: apro
              And for the millions of unborn, thank the high-breed and noble and their Western allies who unleashed a civil war.

              1.Oh, maybe at least you will answer me at last: WHY TENS OF MILLIONS of Russian citizens who have chosen power in the most democratic elections in the world should have meekly agreed that the Bolsheviks who LOSED the elections -by force seized power, huh?
              Why did they have to obey ..... the foreign invaders? FOR WHAT ARTICLE ?!

              Ps what ... "pedigree", WHAT with you ?! Is it Denikin pedigree, Kornilov, Alekseev, Dutov-pedigree? lol
              1. Sugar Honeyovich 11 October 2019 03: 40 New
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                They said something about Lenin that God had sent him to give the people a happy life (the literal speech of the old peasant woman). Truly happiness should be considered that after 1917 there was no "happiness" of the 1913 model ....
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                  Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                  They said something about Lenin that God had sent him to give the people a happy life (the literal speech of the old peasant woman)

                  Yeah, but the peasant wrote them ... Bronstein. Or Apfelbaum. Or Rosenfeld. Or Radek.
                  Who else do you have "peasant women" there? lol
                  1. Sugar Honeyovich 11 October 2019 08: 53 New
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                    Yes, certainly not Bronstein with Apfelbaum. Just like neither Radek nor Rosenfeld kept portraits of Lenin in the "red" corners along with the icons. laughing
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                      Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                      held portraits of Lenin in the "red" corners along with the icons.

                      Photo ? No?
                      Or is there only evidence of the peasant woman Apfelbaum? yes
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                        If necessary, the photo will be. But I’ll say right away that there is nothing about this in the Short Course of the CPSU (B.), You will have to believe the numerous (except for your idols Apfelbaum and Bronstein) evidence. bully
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                        Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                        If necessary, the photo will be.

                        You need to confirm your own chatter.
                        Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                        have to believe you numerous (except for your idols Apfelbaum and Bronstein) testimonies.

                        This is LION-your thief. Forgot, yes .... negative

                        We wait numerous a photo. yes
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                        It is just for you. I saw with my own eyes not in the photo, but in kind, this is enough. More than.
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                        Quote: Sugar Honeyovich
                        I saw with my own eyes not in the photo, but in kind, this is enough. More than.

                        so there will be "numerous" photos, or will you limit yourself, as always, to an empty BALT? hi
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                        Well, idle chatter and stupid lies are exclusively your prerogative. I’m not an accomplice or competitor to you here.
                        But tell me: when the photos are found, what will you do?
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                        y, idle chatter and stupid lies - exclusively your prerogative. I’m not an accomplice or competitor to you here.
                        But tell me: when the photos are found, what will you do?

                        Blah blah blah.... negative

                        Tired already: photo -on the table! am
                        No?
                        So, they lied, as ALWAYS.
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                        Yes: as always, blah blah blah. Say yourself tired? Who is to blame?
                        They did not answer: what will you do when the photos are taken?
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                        Yes: as always, blah blah blah. Say yourself tired? Who is to blame?

                        belay
                        Duc .... YOU! Where is the photo?! am

                        Running to an old neighbor with her portrait of a dwarf! lol
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                        Duc ... where is the answer? You have nothing to say on the merits? lol
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                        Duc ... where is the answer? You have nothing to say by substance business?

                        belay A creature WHERE ?! To the table!
                        money in the morning, evening chairs.
  • apro 9 October 2019 13: 17 New
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    Quote: Hunghouse
    How much smarter were people at the beginning of the 20th century ...

    What in the end destroyed with their own hands and languages ​​both the Russian empire and the Russian bourgeois republic ....
  • Rastas 9 October 2019 14: 51 New
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    And then the rolls crunched ... Real French. I will never forgive the Bolsheviks.
  • Sugar Honeyovich 9 October 2019 17: 20 New
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    But there is an opinion that the revolution is a direct and even (in that situation) inevitable consequence of the rapid dynamic development of Russia. Would not develop - there would be no revolution ...
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    Quote: Hunghouse
    It is terrible even to imagine how far our country would have escaped, if not for war and revolution.


    I'm wildly sorry - I wouldn’t have escaped anywhere.
    In 1999, the Chinese comrades passed a law on enterprises based solely on personal investment.
    The result for 20 years?
    Photo Shanghai 1997 and 2017


    progress in 20 years has been noticeable in China, no one in Putin's Russia - capitalist Putin has been at the helm for 20 years, and economic progress has only stagnated, despite the ruble depreciating by half ...
    In Russia, class distinctions and barriers hindered development.
    The October Revolution broke them.
    In connection with the introduction of NEP, certain legal guarantees were introduced for private property. So, on May 22, 1922, the All-Russian Central Executive Committee issued a decree “On Basic Private Property Rights Recognized by the RSFSR, Protected by its Laws and Protected by the Courts of the RSFSR”. Then, by the decree of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee of November 11, 1922, from January 1, 1923, the Civil Code of the RSFSR was introduced, which, in particular, provided that every citizen has the right to organize industrial and commercial enterprises

    From that moment on, the country began to develop the economy - the state economy, could very closely coexist with the private one - as in China now, where over 20 years from the state economy (85% of state property), 78% of GDP has been transferred to the private sector and creates the private sector.
    In industry and other sectors, wages were restored, tariffs and salaries were introduced, excluding equalization, and restrictions were lifted to increase earnings with an increase in output. Labor armies were abolished, compulsory labor service and the main restrictions on changing jobs were abolished. The organization of labor was based on the principles of material incentives, which replaced the extra-economic coercion of "war communism."


    the number of workers and employees in all sectors of the national economy increased from 5,8 million in 1924 to 12,4 million in 1929


    The mistake of the Communists in actually curtailing the NEP - while it was necessary to give light and medium industry to private owners, and medium and heavy machine building, steel industry - the basis of the military industry, to build and keep in state ownership.
    1. Black joe 10 October 2019 15: 32 New
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      It is terrible even to imagine how far our country would have escaped, if not for war and revolution.

      Absolutely.
      Without Putin and their red predecessors
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      "..it was necessary to give light and medium industry to private owners, and medium and heavy engineering, steel industry - the basis of the military industry, to build and leave state ownership." - That was under Stalin.
      But Khrushchev closed cooperatives and cooperatives, for this he had his own economic reasons.
      The death of the USSR has many reasons.
  • Rastas 9 October 2019 14: 24 New
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    Not touching on ideology, but the article is weak, because once again it comes down to the nature of personalities, there was a bad Kaiser who wanted war. That’s all the reasons in general. Meanwhile, the author misses the fact that all states had annexation plans.
    1. Albatroz 9 October 2019 15: 12 New
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      The article is strong.
      If we talk about the subject to which it is dedicated.
      the author misses the fact that all states had annexation plans.

      Meanwhile, what is overlooked dear, this does not apply to the subject.
      But ...
      Could you name what were the annexinist plans of the Entente Powers IN 1914?
      Only with figures and facts, not just chatting. Dardanelles do not offer)) This bogeyman is not suitable for 1914, when they did not even know who Turkey would be for.
      Also do not offer Alsace with Lorraine - France only returned her.
      So, what were the annexing plans of the Entente Powers AT 1914?
      1. Albatroz 9 October 2019 15: 15 New
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        And then compare (if there is anything to compare) with the TERRITORIAL CLAIMS of Germany and Austria-Hungary
      2. Rastas 9 October 2019 15: 56 New
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        Alsace and Lorraine were recognized as a peace treaty by Germany, especially since the Germans considered these territories to be their own since the Middle Ages, because the local population is mostly German-speaking. The Entente wanted to eliminate all German colonies, and subsequently England took the Ottoman colonies under the protectorate. Russian politicians like the Octobrists shouted about the need to control the "Slavic world", as well as capture the straits. In 1907, an agreement was concluded between England and Russia on the delimitation of interests in Persia, Afghanistan and Tibet. Italy wanted to make the Adriatic Sea inland and expand African possessions. That is, we see a typical capital war.
        1. Albatroz 9 October 2019 16: 42 New
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          Alsace and Lorraine were recognized as a peace treaty by Germany, especially since the Germans considered these territories to be their own since the Middle Ages, because the local population is mostly German-speaking.

          You can consider a lot of things.
          Germany conquered them from France, and France only returned her. Despite all your conversationality, the international community has recognized this fact and Alsace - Lorraine belongs to France.
          Everything else in your post is demagogy at the level of grandmother's tales. Discussions of what some Octobrists wanted there. Zhirinovsky also wants to wash his feet in the Indian Ocean, the leader of the faction. And what, does the present RF have corresponding annexation plans? It’s ridiculous.
          But essentially.
          England has more than enough colonies to keep its own.
          Russia waged a defensive war. Citing stories about the delimitation of spheres of influence in Tibet (which was only a step that brought England closer to Russia), you only confirmed that Russia had no territorial claims against Austria and Germany.
          Unlike Germany and Austria.
          Italy is not a member of the Entente. And WWII is no more a war of capital than WWII. That is generally a war of monopolies)
          1. Rastas 9 October 2019 17: 02 New
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            Excuse me, but the Octobrists and Cadets had strong ties among the highest generals and Russian capital and expressed their opinions and interests. It is no coincidence that Guchkov became the first Minister of War of the Provisional Government. Can the same be said about Zhirinovsky? And as for the ancestral territories, then, by your analogy, Poland in 1920 also recaptured its ancestral lands that Russia had seized from it.
            1. Albatroz 9 October 2019 18: 09 New
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              Do you even understand that just purge?)))
              Ah, Rastas?
              Connections, analogies ...
              And - not a single document, no planning.
              So I think the question is settled)
              1. Rastas 9 October 2019 18: 15 New
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                So read A.V. Shubin at least or I.I. Rostunov. Everything is logically described there.
                1. Albatroz 9 October 2019 20: 39 New
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                  You do not throw me links to other authorities.
                  In any case, specific documents of aggressive planning are not available.
                  And even Rostunov will not come up with them. Though heavily crammed with ideology
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                    There are no specific documents for Germany with Austria-Hungary either.
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                      Even as it is, read - you come to terms
                      1. Rastas 9 October 2019 22: 01 New
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                        Words words words
                      2. Albatroz 9 October 2019 22: 06 New
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                        The words???
                        Are you talking about your golosovschina?
                        And about the Austro-German aggressive plans there are materials, do not worry))
                        But I think this is the topic of completely different articles))
                        It’s you who like to forget about the subject and how that student, on business, and idle, vote about fleas. But not all are like that))
                      3. Rastas 9 October 2019 22: 27 New
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                        So write something on the case already. And then there are documents, but I won’t say anything about them. Where is your specifics?
                      4. Albatroz 10 October 2019 07: 37 New
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                        Wait uncle.
                        Let's start with you, do not translate the arrow)))
                        That you have hinted at the imaginary aggressive plans of Russia. So I expect from you at the beginning. Or zilch, managed?)))
                        And then I’ll inform about Germany, especially since it was written about it and even in VO
    2. Foul skeptic 10 October 2019 09: 40 New
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      Germany conquered them from France, and France only returned her. Despite all your conversationality, the international community has recognized this fact and Alsace - Lorraine belongs to France.

      And what, they asked Timbuktu? )) The international community is always a brawl when you need to put someone in place. This is where internationality usually ends. And they decided when? Probably after the war?
      France only returned its

      On a slippery track stood)
      England has more than enough colonies to keep its own.

      And to keep the colonies under their influence - is this not the goal for the war or what? From Germany that there was no threat in this regard?
      Russia waged a defensive war.

      And therefore, at one of the joint pre-war meetings of the headquarters of France and Russia, a point was specifically recorded that explained that there was no need to misinterpret the phrase "defensive war." On the contrary, military operations should be conducted as aggressively as possible and advance, advance, advance.
      You at least turn on the logic - Germany attacked France and does not touch Russia. How is Russia going to fulfill its allied duties? Sitting on your territory on the defensive?
      Russia had no territorial claims against Austria and Germany.

      But such things are not trumpeted at every step - this is always an occasion for war, before the same "international community" you need to maintain a beautiful face. And, by the way, from the international turmoil in which Austria-Hungary would be pressed, Russia definitely won at least economically, taking away (at least partially) control over the Danube estuary. But with Germany, just the whole stupidity of our policy appears. That is the paradox. Russia was used by more intelligent "comrades" in the alliance. This was clear even from French loans on which the railways were built. Not from the loans themselves, but from the destination of the roads. France gave loans for the construction of roads between points A and B, and these points A and B were chosen by France. And they were chosen from reflections on improving the mobilization capabilities of Russia. The Minister of Finance bombarded the emperor with reports that we are building roads that do not carry commercial value, do not generate revenue, only maintenance costs. As a result, a loan and its return and unprofitable business objects are on the neck. The managers were wonderful, you can’t say anything.
      Citing stories about the delimitation of spheres of influence in Tibet (which was only a step bringing England to Russia closer together), you are only

      And the fact that Germany began to declare itself in this region (Persia, Afghanistan and Tibet), somehow contributed to the emergence of this alliance or not? Returning to the fact that England and France wanted to protect their spheres of influence from Germany with the help of Russia, which proved to be easy to manipulate.
      1. Black joe 10 October 2019 15: 31 New
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        You see what business the Foul skeptic (Timur), you wrote a lot. But verbiage once again confirmed the following:
        1) France waged a defensive war, undergoing German aggression.
        2) Belgium waged a defensive war, undergoing German aggression.
        3) Serbia waged a defensive war, undergoing Austrian aggression.
        4) England really has more than enough colonies to keep its own. Reluctantly involved, like a guarantor of Belgian neutrality.
        5) Russia waged a defensive war. Russia had no territorial claims against Austria and Germany.
        6) Germany and Austria waged an offensive war, having annexationist plans.
        And you will not cross out these facts with your abstruse chatter about Tibet and with your homegrown kitchen arguments in general. With all desire.
  • Trapperxnumx 9 October 2019 16: 54 New
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    Russian politicians like the Octobrists shouted about the need to control the "Slavic world", as well as capture the straits.

    We still have politicians eager to wash the boots of Russian soldiers in the Indian Ocean.
    So, are we now also an aggressor state?
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      A country in which big capital runs and which is embedded in the world capitalist system is already obliged to be a predator and aggressor. The main philistine competently vtyuhut all this.
  • Trapperxnumx 9 October 2019 17: 04 New
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    Amazing of course. The article, in my opinion, turned out to be calm, balanced and even patriotic. In it, with references to specific historical persons, descriptions of the persons involved are given and the chronology of events with the application of documents is observed. The author is very grateful to me for my work. I look forward to continuing.
    At the same time, it is not just bewilderment, but a real scumbag, because the mere mention of the Russian Tsar as a normal person, a stupid ruler, balanced and consistent simply caused a real explosion of hatred. Moreover, this hatred extends not only to Nicholas 2 as a person, it can still be understood, everyone has their own favorite characters, but they are ready to trample the country itself in the mud to please their desires. And this is not clear to me. You can differently relate to the head of state, but you have to love your country. And it does not matter what it is called - an empire, union or republic. The author convincingly shows that we were not the initiators of the war, did not want to and sought to avoid it, while not giving the state friendly to us to tear to pieces and not compromising our interests. But no ... and here I am just completely perplexed.
    1. Rastas 9 October 2019 17: 21 New
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      Yes, the fact is that the article focuses on personalities, such as a good king and a bad Kaiser. But it was not by virtue of their personal characters that the course of history was determined, in this case the reasons for the outbreak of war. There were objective reasons for this, caused by the desire of capital to redraw borders.
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        Rastas Today, 17:21
        Yes, the fact is that the article focuses on personalities, such as a good king and a bad Kaiser. But it was not by virtue of their personal characters that the course of history was determined, in this case the reasons for the outbreak of war. There were objective reasons for this, caused by the desire of capital to redraw borders.

        Article, dear connoisseur you are ours))
        if you do not understand, analyzes the actions of the two leading monarchs of Europe during the July crisis. Informs about their decisions. It does not aim to open all diplomatic strata, but answers the question - who is DIRECTLY responsible for unleashing the WWII.
        And the desire to redraw the borders was just in Germany and Austria-Hungary
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      Quote: Trapper7
      At the same time, it is not just bewilderment, but a real scumbag, because the mere mention of the Russian Tsar as a normal person, a stupid ruler, balanced and consistent simply caused a real explosion of hatred. Moreover, this hatred extends not only to Nicholas 2 as a person, it can still be understood, everyone has their own favorite characters, but they are ready to trample the country itself in the mud to please their desires.

      What's new in this? Every time an article appears in which there will be something good about RI, a crowd of critics appears immediately, who in most cases cannot object at all to the content of the article, except for whining about the "crunch of French bread."
      Quote: Trapper7
      You can differently relate to the head of state, but you have to love your country.

      Everything is very simple - their ideology is at the forefront, and therefore:
      1) All that does not fall under it is heresy, in the literal sense.
      2) If the main thing is ideology, then the country is a consumable for its development.
      In principle, this applies to any idealists, just in a particular case, it is the Communists who show themselves in all their glory. This is nothing new.
      1. Rastas 9 October 2019 19: 36 New
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        And you do not generalize. I wrote specifically what is wrong with the article. Had England been in Germany's place, it would have behaved as well, for developing large-scale capital requires markets and the elimination of competitors. Japan followed the same path, annexing Korea, Manchuria, and later China. In addition to Germany, the same England and France have already passed. The first in the 17th century led colonial wars with Spain and the Netherlands, and France - under Napoleon and in the middle of the 19th century, capturing Indochina and North Africa. But neither France nor England are considered criminals for this, but they attacked Germany.
        1. Dart2027 9 October 2019 19: 48 New
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          Quote: Rastas
          And you do not generalize. I wrote specifically what is wrong with the article.

          Quote: Dart2027
          then a crowd of critics appears who In most cases they cannot object at all to the content of the article, except for whining about the "crunch of French bread"

          By the way, this unfortunate roll was already mentioned here.
          As for your comment, you are both right and wrong. Yes, in addition to the desire of the king and the Kaiser, other forces acted, this is an absolute fact, but their personal actions also had serious significance, and this is also a fact.
          Quote: Rastas
          Had England been in Germany's place, it would have behaved as well, for developing large-scale capital requires markets and the elimination of competitors.

          So it is, only in this particular case is a comparison of specific historical figures, although the role of England itself was rather muddy.
    3. Olgovich 11 October 2019 07: 05 New
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      Quote: Trapper7
      At the same time, it is not just bewilderment, but a real scumbag, because the mere mention of the Russian Tsar as a normal person, a stupid ruler, balanced and consistent simply caused a real explosion of hatred. What does this hatred not only apply to Nicholas 2 as a person, it can still be understood, everyone has their own favorite characters, but they are ready to trample the country into the mud

      No wonder: this is the hatred of the insolvent loser and complete bankrupt to the accomplished person.
  • Lexus 10 October 2019 01: 53 New
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    Who is to blame for the outbreak of World War I?

    Who, who?
    RELATIVES!
    1. Catfish 10 October 2019 02: 56 New
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      "The eldest smart was a man, the middle one was this and that,
      The youngest was d at all! "(C) wink
  • aries2200 10 October 2019 04: 38 New
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    all the wars have unleashed the last 500 years ... the Rothschilds house French ... the Rothschilds house English 2 World joined the pick the house of the Rockefellers, Vanderbilt, Dupont, Morgan all from the USA ...
    earlier Dostoevsky - a great Russian writer wrote - Jews will destroy Russia ....
    the elder spoke to the king about this ...
  • Black joe 10 October 2019 08: 04 New
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    Thanks to the author for the interesting material.
    Everything is reasoned, verified and on the shelves.
    History loves facts, no matter what nonsense they carry, wriggling like worms, red-brown in their pseudo-comments. Clear business, to them only to cheat.
    Great Russia they do not need, they need great upheaval. Somehow they have already achieved their goal, well, they will get more)
  • smaug78 10 October 2019 12: 20 New
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    He did not allow to defeat France, which was weak at that time, and only then send all his forces to Russia, and forced the Kaiser to wage war on two fronts - which ultimately predetermined the whole further course and outcome of the First World War. - Lying
    1. Karabut 10 October 2019 13: 09 New
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      Of course a lie and it is in the article. Far from the first.
      It's a shame and a shame for the magazine.
      1. smaug78 10 October 2019 13: 59 New
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        You're right. Unfortunately, TopWar more and more resembles agitation in the late USSR and gives away with a bang-patriotism ((((
        1. Karabut 10 October 2019 17: 03 New
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          They didn’t lie in the USSR as they are lying now, they kept silent about the inconvenient, which is also not good, but it is more honest and decent.
      2. Black joe 10 October 2019 15: 21 New
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        And you mister under the nickname Karabut advice - do not know the subject, do not meddle, do not disgrace.
        Lying in your comments. And then you are surprised that you were pressured
    2. Black joe 10 October 2019 15: 23 New
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      smaug78 (Boris) Today, 12:20
      He did not allow to defeat France, which was weak at that time, and only then send all his forces to Russia, and forced the Kaiser to wage war on two fronts - which ultimately predetermined the whole further course and outcome of the First World War. - Lying

      What a lie, if it allowed to save 2 fronts.
      That is, it kept the situation fatal for Germany, which really predetermined
      all further course and outcome of the First World War. - Lying

      Everything is absolutely accurate.
      You are smaug78 (Boris) - from thoughtlessness, which is generally excusable.
  • DimerVladimer 10 October 2019 13: 52 New
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    [media = https: //ok.ru/video/319310596852]
    I will not put a plus - while everything is superficially described.

    Three episodes of the BBC "
    37 days: The path to the First World War. "
    Who cares about the link to the first part here https://ok.ru/video/319310596852, the second and third parts are also there.
    A very detailed description of how, in 37 days, Europe slipped into a global conflict and whose fault it is.
    The film was shot with the participation of several historical communities, including the Russian Historical Society - claims to be a certain historical authenticity.
    I highly recommend.
    1. Black joe 10 October 2019 15: 19 New
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      For some reason, Dmitry Vladimirovich, I think your plus is few people need.
      I note only that a bunch of gears and gears. And subversive air forces here do not need to advertise.
      And you are not looking for what you personally want to see. Another piece of advice for the next D-class - learn to read the headlines, learn to see the subject of the article. Which is devoted to the analysis of the actions of 2 responsible persons and the answer to the question - which of them was the instigator of the war.
      do not tell what you want, and then be surprised that this is not in the article.
      And the article is excellent. By the way, it’s also because it caused such a response and another splitting of the personality of the local Mr. Jekyll / Dr. Hyde lol
      1. DimerVladimer 10 October 2019 15: 27 New
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        Quote: Black Joe
        Another piece of advice for the next D-class - learn to read the headlines, learn to see the subject of the article. Which is devoted to the analysis of the actions of 2 responsible persons and the answer to the question - which of them was the instigator of the war.


        You don’t even watch the movie, you record people in the laps - you imagine yourself omniscient
        A professor of history said to graduate students: you know history by three, I by four, and God by five.

        The fact of the matter is that the film shows the slide to war on the part of all participants - otherwise it is not possible to understand why this happened.
        These negotiations between the emperors of Germany and Russia are not even the tip of the iceberg.
        The information in the article - even the second-year student’s report does not pull the history faculty.
        1. Black joe 10 October 2019 15: 46 New
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          The information in the article - even the second-year student’s report does not pull the history faculty.

          the information in the article answers the question regarding the subject of the article.
          and posts like yours, how arrogant, so empty, just advertise the Air Force’s video.
      2. DimerVladimer 10 October 2019 15: 37 New
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        Quote: Black Joe
        And subversive air forces here do not need to advertise.


        The Air Force initiated the shooting here, and the historical communities of Russia, Germany, Great Britain, Belgium, France, Serbia, and Austria participated in the creation of the script - there is no more balanced work at this point in history.
        Various historical works are works reflecting the opinions of one or several historians.
        In the same film, the coordinated position of historical communities of different countries is perhaps the closest to historical authenticity.
        1. Black joe 10 October 2019 15: 47 New
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          In the same film, the coordinated position of historical communities of different countries is perhaps the closest to historical authenticity.

          from your immodest point of view)
          did you personally pay a lot for the commercial?)
          1. DimerVladimer 10 October 2019 15: 57 New
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            Quote: Black Joe
            from your immodest point of view)
            did you personally pay a lot for the commercial?)


            :))) and they also pay for it?
            This is not a video - it’s been two years since it went through the History channel.
            Well, if for you the participation of the Russian historical society in the film does not matter - you prefer epics from the USSR.

            People are divided into thinkers - prone to information analysis and dogmas - living in their beliefs.
            You can discuss with the former, the latter are not interesting.
            I suppose we are done.
            1. Black joe 10 October 2019 15: 59 New
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              Well, if for you the participation of the Russian historical society in the film does not matter

              we know the price of this community) Especially performed by Medinsky and the campaign.
              epos from the USSR prefer

              this is your attitude to Soviet science.
              Well, then your level is not surprising)))
              People are divided into thinkers - prone to information analysis and dogmas - living in their beliefs

              you are of course the first))) Scream!
              Yeah let's finish
              1. Reptiloid 10 October 2019 20: 56 New
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                Greetings, Amantai! I want to add what none of the readers noted, no matter what views they had on the events. Namely, ---- expressing his opinion, the Dear Author never spoke badly about those people who are in a different position, as in the past, so the present. And never the Dear Author mocked readers and historical characters, and even more so did not insult them. Also, he never hinted at unprintable words .... Of course, we can say that this is natural for a candidate of legal sciences, a doctor of historical sciences, an author of works on the history of WWI, the Civil War .... Someone can do otherwise ... .
                That is, the author calmly, seriously treats both his characters and all his readers. This is knowledge, level of culture and professionalism. Thank you so much, although I do not always agree with Alexei Vladimirovich.
                1. Ekzutor 10 October 2019 22: 03 New
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                  I’ll also insert 5 kopecks, if Rnptiloid Dmitry allows
                  expressing his opinion, the Dear Author never spoke badly about those people who are in a different position, both in the past and the present. And never the Dear Author mocked readers and historical characters, and even more so did not insult them. He also never hinted at unprintable words.

                  I agree.
                  and also (I can add), he never created trolls like Karabut to troll and denigrate articles of other authors. Although the reasons for this are a carriage and a small cart.
                  At the same time, some people (you know this better than me) are not shy about karabovat, not embarrassed (grabbing the top) of their incompetence on a number of issues.
                  That is, the author calmly, seriously treats both his characters and all his readers. This is knowledge, level of culture and professionalism. Thank you so much

                  Join
                  although I do not always agree with Alexei Vladimirovich

                  Naturally, it’s not money to please everyone. How many people - so many opinions.
                  And I am impressed by your reasonable approach, because anyhow, anyway, bite and cast a shadow on the wattle fence (even in clear weather) at least cause nothing but sad conclusions
                  1. Reptiloid 11 October 2019 04: 02 New
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                    Good day, dear interlocutor, EXZEKUTOR!
                    Yes, of course, having a high level of culture, excellent Russian language and conducting serious research, Alexey Vladimirovich tries to tell as much as possible about the history of our country. (There are works on other countries as well).
                    Thanks to his articles on VO, I began to read books that I could not even imagine.
  • smaug78 10 October 2019 17: 04 New
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    [quote = Black Joe] [quote] smaug78 (Boris) Today, 12:20
    and forced the Kaiser to wage war on two fronts - which ultimately predetermined the entire subsequent course and outcome of the First World War. - false [/ quote]
    What a lie, if it allowed to save 2 fronts. [/ Quote]
    Do you have dyslexia or deuce in Russian? Since you don’t understand the difference between “forced the Kaiser to wage war on two fronts” and “allowed to keep 2 fronts”.
    And here is what the German command on the Eastern Front proceeded from:
    The commander of the German army 8, which was set against Russia, received "free hand" - had to conduct operations in the east at its own discretion. In general, the 8 Army received the task of securing the eastern regions of the empire from the invasion of Russian troops and supporting the offensive planned by Austria-Hungary. The Austro-Hungarian offensive was planned to be supported by Silesia, for which the Landwehr Corps was identified. In general, the German command believed that the best support for the Austro-Hungarian army would be the factor that the 8-I army would spoil the possible large forces of the Russian troops, distracting them from Galicia.

    If the Russians launch an offensive against East Prussia, it will lead by such forces that the pressure on the Austro-Hungarian army will be seriously weakened. If the Russian army takes a wait-and-see or defensive position towards Germany, then the commander of the 8 Army must conduct offensive actions and coordinate its movement with the Austro-Hungarian command. As a result, the German command reserved full freedom of action in any situation. The Austrian command had no guarantees that they would be helped in any way.

    In accordance with these instructions, the commander of 8 of the German army, von Pritvits, relying on the Mazury lake-marsh line, deployed one army corps front to Narew, approximately from Mlawa to Vilenberg, the second front to the Neman between Goldap and Gumbinen, the remaining two corps were in the army reserve in the area of ​​Angerburg, Allenstein, Marienburg. German troops were located near the junction stations of the railways so that they could be quickly transported in the right direction. Landveor corps located on the direction from Silesia to Ivangorod, as if to communicate with the Austro-Hungarian army.
    Where is "forced the Kaiser to wage war on two fronts"?
    That is, it kept the situation fatal for Germany, which really predetermined [quote] the whole further course and outcome of the First World War. - false [/ quote]
    Everything is absolutely accurate.
    You are smaug78 (Boris) - from thoughtlessness, which is generally excusable. [/ Quote]
    Although I was mistaken - an ordinary sharpie pulling phrases out of context ...
    1. Ekzutor 10 October 2019 20: 46 New
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      smaug78 (Boris) - another expert in quotation marks, worthy of a Karabutian.
      He does not even understand the essence of this phrase.
      forced the Kaiser to wage war on two fronts - which ultimately predetermined the entire subsequent course and outcome of the First World War
      trying to hide his intellectual impotence behind a long post.
      And the truth was that:
      Firstly, a war on 2 fronts is death for Germany. Bismarck wrote about that.
      secondly, Nikolaev Russia did not allow Germany to play on the slowness of Russian mobilization and manage to defeat France at first, and then transfer the main forces against Russia.
      It was the speed of these actions that forced Marna to transfer 2 corps to Russia and lose to Marne. And in the fall to transfer to Russia a bunch of buildings. The Western front stabilized, the Eastern temporarily became the main one.
      As a result, Russia's efforts did not allow the British-French to be crushed and retained a second front. So they made the defeat of the German bloc inevitable .. Just a matter of time.
      So so for sure - Nikolai
      forced the Kaiser to wage war on two fronts - which ultimately predetermined the entire subsequent course and outcome of the First World War

      You correctly wrote about yourself smaug78 Boris - you are an ordinary clever sharpie, pulling phrases out of context.
      Sophist, nothing more. Hone language, since there is nothing more to hone.
      And more.
      It was the presence of the Russian Front in 1914 that saved the Allies from defeat and was the most powerful prerequisite for the victory of the Entente. The energetic offensive of the Russian army immediately put the enemy before the necessity of war on two fronts.
      The East Prussian operation led to the collapse of Schlieffen’s strategic planning and Germany’s loss of the Battle of Marne, the first contours of stabilization of the French front were outlined with all the negative consequences for Germany.
      The battle of Galicia led to the destruction of the Austrian strategic plan, the Serbian Front stabilized. There was a tendency to increase the German presence on the Russian front in order to assist the Austrian ally. Military scientist A. A. Svechin directly linked operations in East Prussia and Galicia: “What made the Austrian army leave convenient positions in Galicia and rush to Lublin Hill, substituting our flank and rear for our strike? What led the Austrians to risk this dangerous maneuver before the final transportation of the corps directed against the Serbs ... What made it possible for Generals Ivanov, Alekseev, Ruzsky and Brusilov to squeeze their shiny laurels? ... The answer is clear. Our invasion of East Prussia. ”
      We are in solidarity with the indicated specialist. Not only Russia, but also its opponents sought to implement a coalition strategy, and not in everything could follow their own desires and interests. Accordingly, both the East Prussian and the Galician battles can be combined into one grandiose operation of coalition significance, which frustrated all the pre-war planning of the enemy. After the completion of these battles, one thing was clear - the German bloc lost the war, and in the future we can only talk about acceptable conditions of peace.
      Autumn operations in East Prussia and Poland (First August, Warsaw-Ivangorod, Lodz) were a powerful prerequisite for Germany losing the battle for Flanders, led to the final stabilization of the French front, and contributed to a change in the strategic planning of the enemy. For a whole year, the Russian front became the key for the German-Austrians. The hopes of the Germans to protect the eastern borders of the bloc by the forces of only the Austrian army failed.
      Russia won the 1914 campaign not only for itself, but also for its allies. Strategically, the German bloc was losing by the end of 1914, and above all, thanks to the efforts of the Russian army.
      Army of Nicholas II
      1. Albatroz 10 October 2019 20: 53 New
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        I will add about the transfer of German corps to the east
        General Baron A.P. Budberg noted that the "absence ... of these corps: the Guards Reserve and XI Army, taken from the right-flank II and III armies, marching on the decisive flank of the German offensive, was very unprofitable for the Germans already in the so-called" border battle "August 21-24 in the Charleroi-Dinan area; here, the V left-flank French army suffered a very serious setback, was in a very critical situation, but was saved from encirclement and destruction only due to the fact that in the above-mentioned II and III German armies, weakened by just two corps taken from them, was not enough reserves to complete such an operation. This, in turn, also saved the British army, which, in the event of the liquidation of the neighboring French V, would, without a doubt, be cut off from the French and after that would be in danger of separate defeat and even destruction. But all this is completely insignificant in comparison with those extraordinary consequences - fatal for the Germans and saving for the allies - which were the inevitable result of the absence of these two corps on the decisive days of September 4 - 9 of the Battle of the Marne. "
        French General Dupont wrote: “Two corps were taken from the French front: the Reserve Guard from the army of von Bülow and the XI Army from the army of von Gauzen. They are followed by the 8th Cavalry Division. These measures were probably our salvation. Imagine that the Guards Reserve Corps would have been in place between Bülow and Kluk on September 7, and the XI Corps with the Saxon Cavalry Division would have been in the army of von Gauzen at Fer Champenoise on September 9! What could be the consequences of this ... ". He clearly calls the first reason the Germans lost the battle of Marne: “the weak nature of the gene. F. Moltke ... when on August 25 (according to the new style - A.O.) he removes 2 corps and 1 cavalry division to send them to Russia. ”
        The French commander-in-chief, Marshal J. Joffre, noted: “With a sense of lively satisfaction, I take every opportunity to honor the valor of the Russian armies and to testify to them my deep gratitude for the effective assistance they rendered to our army during those tragic hours when Germany sent all its forces so that crushing Belgium, England and France as the first pressure ... Having thrown into East Prussia all the forces that could only be available, having done so earlier than they were ready and concentrated, and deliberately violating all the basic principles of warfare in order to preserve one single "commonality of interests of all fronts "Grand Duke Nicholas showed the highest understanding of the conditions of the war and earned the eternal gratitude of France ... I will never forget the grave sacrifices that the Russian army heroically and consciously condemned then, forcing them to turn against them."
        Marshal F. Foch admitted that the Russian army “with its active intervention diverted a significant part of the enemy’s forces and thereby allowed us to win on the Marne”.
        British Naval Minister W. Churchill noted: “Thanks to the loyalty of the Tsar and the Russian Army, a quick attack on East Prussia was carried out two weeks after the declaration of war. We know how this struck the nerves of the German General Staff and led to its decision to take two corps from the right wing during the crisis preceding the Marne. With good reason, we can assume that this fact had a decisive influence on the fate of the outcome of the battle, and if so, then long after the present ungrateful generation will no longer be in the world, the King and his soldiers will have to be given great honor. ”
        The British military agent in Russia A. Knox also noted that the corps and the cavalry division to the Tannenberg had not been transferred from the right wing of the German Western Front to East Prussia, but their absence in France was crucial for the Battle of Marne.
        The French General S. Mangin wrote that: “the Allies should never forget the services that were provided to them by the Party, which began the campaign unexpectedly quickly. Thanks to this attack, not only the corps that constituted the German barrier against the Russian troops were kept, but moreover, two corps were taken from the French front and were absent during the battle of the Marne .. ”
        French generals A. A. Nissel testified to the same thing (“Everyone knows how critical our situation was during the Battle of Marne. There is no doubt that the reduction of the German Army by two corps and one cavalry division was the kind of weight that tipped the scales of fate on our side ... "), Kuniak (" Due to a heavy defeat near Gumbinnen, the main German apartment made a grave mistake sending two corps from the Russians from France; therefore, it had no strategic reserve during the Battle of Mapne "), Colonel de Witt Guizot (“At the insistence of General Joffre and the French government, Russia, in order to help us out and forge the German corps in Prussia, courageously went on the offensive ... entered East Prussia and overthrew the Germans at Gumbinnen, which prompted the German General Staff to withdraw four divisions from the French front. Our the Allies thus rendered us a great service. ”)
        Even the American Colonel H. T. Naylor, a former director of the General Staff Academy, wrote that "the battle on the Marne was won by the Russian Cossacks."
        Similarly, the opinion of opponents of Russia. General E. Ludendorff, the “brain” of the German Eastern Front, one of the best strategists of the war, noted: “Of particular importance was the fact that reinforcements intended for the east were taken from the right wing, on which the decisive task lay.” He wrote: “The right wing of the West German army was not strong enough and captured an insufficient front. The removal of the Guard Reserve and XI Corps ominously made itself felt. ” He also writes that: “If Moltke hadn’t sent the Guards Reserve and XI Corps to East Prussia, then everything would have gone well ... Our offensive in the West crashed, since General Moltke took the troops from the victorious position and due to this“ drama on the Marne "... It is terrible to realize that General Moltke interrupted the victorious offensive of the German army and prevented the brilliant and happy ending of the war."
        The infantry general, the chief of the Field General Staff after G.I. - L. Moltke, Jr. (actually the Commander-in-Chief of the German army) E. von Falkenhayn testified that "the weakening of the western front made itself felt strongly due to the reorganization of the command in the east before the battle of Tannenberg, under entry into command of the 8th Army Colonel General f. - Hindenburg instead of Colonel General f. - Pritvitsa. This weakening significantly increased the former already obvious numerical superiority of the enemy in the west. The troop formations seized for the transfer were taken from the western half of the front, which means from its strike wing. Therefore, their absence was especially sensitive during the decisive battle on the Marne, and even after it. ”
        Moreover, the general reiterated this sad fact: “The weakening of the Western army ... was unacceptable. It was also impossible to assume that it would be possible to timely transfer sufficient forces from there to help the allies. Against such an attempt, he was cautioned by the fact that the lack of units taken from the west before the battles on the Marne and near Tannenberg made itself felt sharply in the west ... This has to be said a second time, since it is hardly possible to emphasize the fatal influence of this fact on the course of this period of the war. " And despite the fact that "there is no data to despair about the satisfactory outcome of the war, ... the events on the Marne and in Galicia delayed its outcome for a completely indefinite time." In another work, the above authority noted: “... The task of quickly reaching a solution, which until now was the basis of the German war plan, came to naught ... A particularly fraught consequence was that reinforcements assigned to the eastern front were taken from the right flank, which a decisive role. ”
        Colonel General G.I.-L. von Moltke noted that the transfer of forces from west to east due to the unexpected blow of the Russian armies in East Prussia "was a mistake that avenged itself on the Marne." The situation on the Russian front "demanded that reinforcements be sent to this front before a decisive victory was achieved in the west."
        Future Field Marshal P. Hindenburg complained: “This transfer led us to a separation of forces. We deviated from one goal, but could not reach another. ”
        Representatives of the German officer corps adhered to the same point of view. So, Major G. Schmidt wrote: “The impression of the defeat at Gumbinnen was extremely strong. Of the troops fighting near Paris, two corps and one cavalry division were sent to East Prussia. This made it impossible to win on the Marne, led to a retreat, had an impact on the entire course of the war, for it destroyed all hopes for a speedy and victorious end to it ... ”
        It was the speed that thwarted the German calculations, and led to this strategic transfer
      2. smaug78 11 October 2019 08: 16 New
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        Once again I am convinced that the cheer-patriotic is always ignorant ...
        1. Albatroz 11 October 2019 13: 56 New
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          Once again, I am convinced that the patriotic cheer is always ignorant.

          there’s nothing to freeze besides
          Showed themselves as intellectual impotent smaug78 (Boris)
          Ignorant is too soft a word for you))
    2. Karabut 10 October 2019 21: 24 New
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      In 1914, one German corps stood on the border with Denmark, so the Danes defeated the Marne and frustrated Schlieffen’s plan?
      Two buildings besieged Antwerp, and they were not enough on the Marne, maybe then the Belgians?
      You can write a lot of such nonsense ..