“We will press and help - they will adapt!” The Soviet Union masters the production of tanks

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The practice of attracting foreign developments for the development of our own technological capacities, which we spoke about in the first part of the story, was widespread even in tsarist Russia.

“We will press and help - they will adapt!” The Soviet Union masters the production of tanks

Peter Ivanovich Sekretov




Consider the example of supplying the Russian army with scarce vehicles. By August 1914 of the year in the Russian Empire there were a little more than 700 cars involved for the needs of the military. The Russian-Baltic Carriage Works could produce no more than 130 cars a year, while the vast majority of them were passenger cars that were little demanded by the army. As a result, several years later, I had to turn to my Western colleagues for help, whose automotive industry was an order of magnitude more perfect. The procurement commission, led by Colonel Peter Ivanovich Sekretev, commander of the spare automobile company, set off for the UK in September 1914 to replenish the army with new equipment.

They planned to buy trucks, cars, special equipment, as well as armored cars. It is noteworthy that among the special requirements of the Russian commission was the presence of an armored roof and two machine guns rotating in different towers. In those days, neither in France nor in England could offer anything like this in a ready-made form, and only with Austin Motor did Petr Sekretev’s team manage to agree on the development of an armored car of the necessary design. In fact, only 48 of the “Austins” corresponded to the requirements of the Russian army - in France it was already necessary to purchase what was. And there were only 40 armored Renaults with an open roof and one single machine gun.

Why this story preceded by a story about the tank construction of the Soviet period? It allows us to understand the fundamental difference in the approaches of the government of Nicholas II and the young Soviet republic. If in the first case, the main goal was to simply saturate a catastrophically lagging army with military equipment, then in the USSR they tried to purchase technologies and samples worthy of borrowing, and sometimes even outright copying. And if we compare the effectiveness of the missions of Innokenty Khalepsky (his team went to buy armored vehicles for the USSR in 1929, about which he told first part of the story) and Peter Sekretev, it turns out that the Tsar’s colonel was much “more successful” - in total, 1422 cars were bought in Europe. However, no attempts were made to reduce the qualitative and quantitative lag behind the West in automotive technology in tsarist Russia.

The development in the Soviet Union of armored vehicles acquired in the USA and Europe proceeded with a creak - there were not enough qualified specialists or the corresponding technological equipment. A separate problem was the obviously impossible tasks that the country's leadership pitted before the factories. What was the reason for this? First of all, with the urgent need to mobilize military production - most developed foreign countries regarded the young Soviet republic as a dangerous breeding ground for the "communist plague." Also, one cannot discount the special approach of the USSR leadership to the formation of work plans. Stalin once wrote to Voroshilov about this:
“... in terms of tanks и aviation industry has not yet been able to properly re-equip itself in relation to our new tasks. Nothing! We will press and help - they will adapt. The thing is to keep well-known industries (mainly military) under constant control. They will adapt and will execute the program, if not at 100, then at 80-90%. Isn't that enough? ”


The outcome of this approach was the constant disruption of the state defense order, a high proportion of manufacturing defects, and also an emergency mode of operation. Naturally, for failure to fulfill previously unattainable plans, the relevant structures searched and found those responsible with all the ensuing consequences.


T-18


In this regard, the history of the development of the production of the T-18 (MS-1) tank at the Bolshevik Leningrad plant in the first half of the 1927 of the year will be very remarkable.

The site for the assembly of a modernized version of the French Renault FC-1, the design of which refers us to the times of the First World War, was not chosen by chance. Prior to this, aircraft engines and tractors had already been made at the Bolshevik, there was no experience whatsoever. It was here that in the special workshop the first specialized tank production in the USSR appeared, which was later transformed into the factory No.174 named after K.E. Voroshilova. However, the tank special workshop was built only at the end of the 1929 of the year, and before that, the T-18 had to be assembled practically “on the knee” - on extremely worn-out equipment of imperial times. In 1927-1928 were able to produce only 23 tanks using this workaround technology, and the next fiscal year they added another 85 vehicles with a big delay. The authorities were not satisfied with such a pace, and it was decided to transfer part of the production of tanks to Perm, to the Motovilikhinsky machine-building plant, which had previously been engaged in cannon production.


Motovilikhinsky machine-building plant, Perm. The beginning of the 30's


But due to the "small number of technical personnel in tank building" nothing sensible came of this. This was realized only in the 1931 year, when the Revolutionary Military Council decided:
“No more tank orders for Motovilikha.”


The OGPU realized this even earlier and began to act. In the case of sabotage, the head of the Main Military-Industrial Directorate, Vadim Sergeyevich Mikhailov, who had the rank of major general before the revolution, was arrested. Together with him, by October 1929, 91 people were found under investigation, who were accused of founding a counterrevolutionary organization aimed at disrupting the country's defenses by wrecking in the military industry. Five people under investigation, including V. S. Mikhailov, were shot, the rest were given different terms of imprisonment. In fact, since the end of the 20's, the fight against wrecking in the military industry in general and in tank building in particular has become an integral part of the emergence of a young industry. And this topic, of course, requires a separate study and narration.

From inch to meter


The most serious problem in mastering the production of “creatively rethought” samples of foreign technology was the conversion of the inch measurement system to the metric one. Firstly, it was a long process, taking away a lot of time in a constant race. And secondly, even if the recounting was carried out correctly, errors still remained. It was necessary to translate inches into metric units with rounding up or down, which, of course, affected the quality of manufacturing units and parts. The tank builders, when mastering the production of BT series tanks, initially to save time generally decided not to translate the drawings into centimeters and millimeters. This was largely due to the serious problems that engineers encountered in mastering the production of the first T-26 series. With this machine, which was based on the base of the 6-ton “Vickers”, in general there were many difficulties. The first copies came from the Leningrad plant in the 1931 year, while the government initially put in the plan for the year immediately five hundred armored vehicles. Naturally, it was impossible to collect such a gigantic volume, so the bar was reduced to 300 tanks, which they also did not collect. Related enterprises did not keep up with the supply of components, and the first fifteen T-26 were welded from ordinary steel - the Izhora plant could not issue high-quality armor. A rifle armor-piercing bullet pierced such a tank from a distance of 200 meters. When at the beginning of the 1932 of the year they rushed to the Izhora plant with a check, it turned out that the percentage of rejects during cementation of armor plates reaches 90%! The failure also happened with optical instruments - in the domestic industry of that time there simply were no production technologies for analogues of British sights. Therefore, they decided to install conventional mechanical guidance devices. Motors for tanks were also a weak point in the production chain, which again forced to be purchased from the British. At the same time, the cost of the first Soviet-made T-26 exceeded the price of those purchased in the UK twice! As a result, all 15 of the first “unarmored” tanks were left as training aids for tank schools, and by the end of the 1931 of the whole year they managed to assemble 120 vehicles, of which only 100 was allowed for military operation. The leading part of the leadership was traditionally attributed the lion's share of all production shortcomings to subversive activities of enemies of the people and sabotage. On the other hand, the tank industry in general and the Voroshilov Leningrad Plant in particular received expensive foreign machine tools in the first place. Often this was done at the expense of the equipment of civilian enterprises.


T-26


But the further history of the Voroshilov plant, where the light T-26 was also produced, cannot boast of high quality products. In April 1934, the proportion of rejects on the crankcase of the T-26 engine reached 60%, and the pistons were defective in half the cases. At the beginning of the 1937 year, none of the tested engines was able to work out the warranty period (100 hours on the stand and 200 hours on the tank), which even forced the military representative to stop receiving products. For five months of the same year, the plant issued, instead of the planned 500 vehicles, all 17 light tanks. It is noteworthy that somewhere in this period, the wording of wrecking as the main cause of industrial defects began to disappear from the plant’s documentation. However, the problems remained and they had to be solved in the shortest possible time.

To be continued ...
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  1. +30
    8 October 2019 18: 25
    All this is so, but at that time boys at the school desks, working youth schools, various evening parties, universities were en masse, who in ten, fifteen years will surprise the world and eventually fly into space! The Soviet government, in general, and Stalin, in particular, understood what they wanted, where to go and in what way! Now I can’t say so about power, personal wealth, which is now in trend, is not the way for our people. hi
    1. 0
      8 October 2019 18: 53
      As a result, all 15 of the first “unarmored” tanks were left as training aids for tank schools, and by the end of 1931 a total of 120 vehicles were assembled, of which only 100 were allowed for military operation. The leading part of the leadership was traditionally attributed the lion's share of all production shortcomings to subversive activities of enemies of the people and sabotage
      - Grandfather served as a tank driver in Rybnitsa 4 g. (Father was born in Balta) I wanted to stay on extra urgent.
      "Grandfather in December 36 was demobilized from the Red Army, went to work for the Markov peat enterprise
      , and in January 37, according to the party recruitment, they were called to the prosecutor’s office ”
      --that and the reason for the repression
      1. +5
        8 October 2019 20: 20
        Quote: antivirus
        "Grandfather in December 36 was demobilized from the Red Army, went to work for the Markov peat enterprise
        , and in January 37, according to the party recruitment, they were called to the prosecutor’s office ”
        --that and the reason for the repression

        Some kind of difficult connection you have is not clear. Are you about education? By the way, prosecutors practically did not deal with repressions.
    2. +6
      8 October 2019 19: 12
      Wealth itself is a good thing. But he must be deserved. He made a discovery, introduced new technologies, opened efficient production, in short - made a business useful for the country - wealth should come for this. This is true for all nations.
    3. +5
      9 October 2019 01: 24
      However, because of the rough press on the ground, smart heads flew by and those who simply did not please the local bosses
    4. -1
      10 October 2019 09: 25
      Then, even though the same boys and girls strove for knowledge, now the desire is only for easy and quick money.
      1. 0
        10 October 2019 09: 29
        Quote: Rey_ka
        Then, even though the same boys and girls strove for knowledge, now the desire is only for easy and quick money.

        This is our own fault, we allowed strangers, in particular, the West, the opportunity to create and impose on our children the goal of life, yes, now it is money and wealth! If you are rich, you are successful. This must be fought with all possible means.
  2. +2
    8 October 2019 18: 53
    Oh, how many wonderful discoveries to us
    Prepare an enlightened spirit,
    And the experience of the son of errors difficult,
    And genius, friend paradoxes ... (C) Alexander Sergeyevich Pushkin

    You must always learn from mistakes, your own or someone else's, as luck would have it, "overgrow" experience and certainly bring what you started to the end.
    Those T-26s fought well in Spain, China, Finland (on both sides of the front). If it were not for the collapsed front at the beginning of the Great Patriotic War and the outdated tactics of application, I am sure that we could get the most out of it.
    Having "stuffed the bumps", the Soviet tank building from catching up passed into trendsetters. Take any tank ratings and comparisons - and Soviet vehicles will dominate in each.
    It’s bad that now many really advanced developments do not live up to the series.
    1. +9
      8 October 2019 19: 07
      Quote: lexus
      Those T-26s fought well in Spain, China, Finland (on both sides of the front).

      Spain was the swan song of the T-26. Already in 1937 it was recognized that the tank needed to be changed to something else - among the possible options were considered the same Czech LT.
      Quote: lexus
      If it were not for the collapsed front at the beginning of the Great Patriotic War and the outdated tactics of application, I am sure that we could get the most out of it.

      What can be squeezed out of a tank that can be penetrated by all possible means of anti-tank equipment and has no reserves for modernization? And so they have already raised the mass from 6 to almost 12 tons and forced the engine to the limit. And all the same, they did not reach the same "two" or Pz.38 (t).
      The fate of the T-26 was decided back in 1940: a chassis for armored personnel carriers, tractors and special vehicles.
      1. -2
        8 October 2019 20: 01
        "deuces"

        Maybe all the same to the top three? Of which at first there were not many, but the most common were Pz. I and II.

        The Romanians, Italians and Hungarians, who also invaded our lands at the beginning of the war, were not so hot at all. And the Japanese had the "Ha-Go" as their main tank in 1945.
        The fate of the T-26 was decided back in 1940: a chassis for armored personnel carriers, tractors and special vehicles.

        Then the Germans showed their zeal - all the inappropriate equipment was massively converted into ZSU, self-propelled guns, tow trucks, ammunition transporters, armored personnel carriers.
        And it cost us.
        1. +1
          8 October 2019 21: 41
          Most likely it was worth not throwing the T-26 into a failed attack, but using it from ambushes.
          1. +1
            9 October 2019 16: 01
            Quote: Hiking
            Most likely it was worth not throwing the T-26 into a failed attack, but using it from ambushes.

            The problem is that ambush tactics require trained crews, well-coordinated units and competent command personnel.
            In fact, they tried to use tank ambushes from the beginning of the war. But the results were not very good - to the point that "the ambushed tank was burned by an anti-tank gun invisibly dragged by the enemy"Not a bad ambush organization, huh? wink
        2. +4
          9 October 2019 11: 51
          Quote: lexus
          Maybe all the same to the top three?

          It is up to "two". One can only dream of the same 30-35 mm frontal armor without overloading the T-26 chassis. As well as about installing a 26-cm howitzer or a 10.5-cm mortar on the T-15 chassis.
          Quote: lexus
          The Romanians, Italians and Hungarians, who also invaded our lands at the beginning of the war, were not so hot at all.

          But we will not put the BTV of the Red Army and the USSR tank industry on the same level as Hungary or Italy? wink
          Quote: lexus
          Then the Germans showed their zeal - all the inappropriate equipment was massively converted into ZSU, self-propelled guns, tow trucks, ammunition transporters, armored personnel carriers.
          And it cost us.

          Worth it. But there was nowhere. The profile factories were occupied with new equipment and the production of even spare parts for old cars was discontinued. And the factories of Glavtraktordetali, to which the production of spare parts was transferred, either disrupted the production or evaded the conclusion of contracts.
          That is, it was impossible to even repair future chassis.
          1. 0
            9 October 2019 12: 40
            You are well versed in the topic and set out very sound thoughts. thank hi
          2. 0
            9 October 2019 14: 18
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Worth it. But there was nowhere. The profile factories were occupied with new equipment and the production of even spare parts for old cars was stopped


            There would intervene relevant persons. and then each plant wanted to have its own design bureau and rivet only tanks. A beautiful armored personnel carrier would have come out of the T-26. - engine and transmission along the axis. cover with a casing with hinged seats, remove the roof (and the tower naturally), the sides and before make like in the M-113, a machine gun and an awning on top. The engine would still bring up to 150 hp. (well, these are wishes, from that situation hell would have happened) ..
            1. +2
              9 October 2019 16: 36
              Quote: chenia
              There would intervene relevant persons. and then each plant wanted to have its own design bureau and rivet only tanks.

              And it's useless to intervene. There are four plants in the country - each makes its own type of tank, and all of them are urgently needed by the State Academic Bolshoi Theater. LKZ specializes in medium and further heavy tanks. Plant No. 174 - NPP tanks. KhPZ - high-speed tanks and their successor T-34. Plant No. 37 - light amphibious tanks.
              Moreover, it is impossible to produce spare parts for old tanks and at the same time produce new ones - even at the LKZ the plant has enough capacity for either the T-28 or the KV. Therefore, for example, after the launch of the HF production, all repairs and shielding of the T-28 were stopped - there is nowhere to work and there is nothing to do.
              Quote: chenia
              From the T-26 would have gone a beautiful armored personnel carrier.

              If there was a free plant and spare parts to restore the "killed" chassis. smile Fedorenko complained at a meeting in December 1940 that the equipment of the former tank brigades for 1939-1940 it covered 500-800 km and is very worn out.
              By the way, he also announced the rate of consumption of shells for combat training: 6 shells per year per tank!
              Quote: chenia
              The engine would still bring up to 150 hp.

              And at the same time fit in the old dimensions. smile
              The native engine is already forced to the limit - nothing can be squeezed out of it.
              1. 0
                9 October 2019 17: 46
                Quote: Alexey RA
                If there was a free plant and spare parts to restore the "killed" chassis.


                There is no need for a specialized factory. Steam locomotive-wagon construction, shipbuilding riveting, wind new springs and the machine-building (aggregate) workshop is not needed before the gearbox.
                Those. box and chassis in such enterprises (workshops) is not a problem.
                Aggregates box with engine clutch. lock mechanisms naturally from specialized mechanical plants.

                Quote: Alexey RA
                The native engine is already forced to the limit - nothing can be squeezed out of it.


                I have nothing to squeeze out of it, I agree, just an engine from a different era.
                6,6 liters of 2000 rpm and only about a hundred forces. -it's horrible deformed the engine was already in the late 30s. When materials are worthless, seals and gaps in the "finger", then such power is removed from such a displacement. And you can put the six engine there. the cordan is shorter and without problems (I said that there is a conveniently located (just for an armored personnel carrier with a landing party, that's bad for a tank) transmission.
                1. +1
                  9 October 2019 18: 44
                  Quote: chenia
                  There is no need for a specialized factory. Steam locomotive-wagon construction, shipbuilding riveting, wind new springs and the machine-building (aggregate) workshop is not needed before the gearbox.

                  It is necessary to change the armored housing. That is, cut and cook the armor. And on the part of the T-26 - cemented armor, with which even the 174th plant did not undertake to work.
                  Quote: chenia
                  Aggregates box with engine clutch. lock mechanisms naturally from specialized mechanical plants.

                  And netut them. smile Checkpoint even for production tanks - hellish deficit.
                  And for the tractor gearbox, a new one is needed in general - for it is not speed that matters to him, but traction.
                  Quote: chenia
                  And you can put the six engine there. cordon is shorter and no problem

                  There is no engine. The USSR had a critical failure with tank and car engines in the range of 90-250 hp. Either GAZ-11 - or immediately V-4. And between them is a gaping void.
                  Therefore, our armored personnel carrier "did not take off" - there was no engine.
                  1. +1
                    9 October 2019 21: 52
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    Therefore, our armored personnel carrier "did not take off" - there was no engine.


                    Well, you know how you can reasonably spit in the soul. bully
                    Perhaps the only tank (T-26) that was ideally suited for restructuring in an armored personnel carrier.
                    You can’t do this with BT. And the boxes riveted under 10 thousand, and already like no tank, and the alteration of the hull is insignificant. And do not use.

                    I’ll even say so, the T-26 was transformed in every way, and even the armored personnel carriers were molded from it, but so clumsily, without imagination (they put the box on top) that they did not impress the military. And from here there was no proper order. And the military themselves did not really know what they wanted.
      2. 0
        9 October 2019 08: 40
        Didn’t Pz.II break through with all the means of VET and have more reserves for modernization?
        1. +3
          9 October 2019 12: 00
          Quote: hohol95
          Didn’t Pz.II break through with all the means of VET and have more reserves for modernization?

          Will the same Polish anti-tank missile system be able to penetrate the "deuce" with its 35-mm in the forehead? But the T-26 made its way from all projections.
          As for the reserves for modernization ... just for comparison: a 10.5-cm howitzer and a 15-cm mortar (infantry gun) climbed onto the "two". The fate of the SU-5 triplex reinforced T-26 chassis You remember - the chassis of a gun larger than 3 "did not hold.
          1. +1
            9 October 2019 15: 25
            At the tip of Blitzkrieg
            Yuri Pasholok 16 Dec '16
            Work on improving the reservation of Pz.Kpfw.II began in October 1939. A set of additional armor plates was developed that covered the frontal part of the hull, turret box, frontal sheet of the turret and (in some cases) the armor of the gun mask. Additional sheets were 15–20 mm thick. Thus, in the frontal part, the thickness of the armor of a light tank reached 30–35 mm.
            The first sets of additional armor began to enter the troops in February 1940. They were delivered, however, rather slowly. By May 1940, relatively few Pz.Kpfw.II received additional armor. Another improvement was the TZF.4 sight with a new scale, which allowed firing at distances up to 1200 meters.

            So Polish PTR wz. 35 were quite a formidable opponent for the light Wehrmacht cars from Pz. I to Pz. 38 (t) Ausf.A - C (forehead - 25 mm, sides - 15 mm, tower - 25-15 mm).!
            The performance characteristics of the anti-tank rifle wz. 35
            SHOOTING RANGE, M 300
            RESISTANCE TO NORMAL, MM:
            AT DISTANCE 100 M 33
            AT DISTANCE 300 M 15
            1. +1
              9 October 2019 16: 38
              Quote: hohol95
              So Polish PTR wz. 35 were quite a formidable opponent for the light Wehrmacht cars from Pz. I to Pz. 38 (t) Ausf.A - C (forehead - 25 mm, sides - 15 mm, tower - 25-15 mm).!

              Right. And the Germans were able to fend off this threat by increasing the reservation - because the "two" had reserves for modernization.
              But with the T-26, such a number will no longer pass - in 10 years all reserves have already been selected.
              1. +1
                9 October 2019 16: 55
                That's just the T-26 had an advantage in armament.
                And about the self-propelled guns based on the deuce - if they remember, not so many were built. while lengthening the chassis and completely redesigning the case.
                At the same time, the T-26 was much older than the Two.
                And the increase in armor did not particularly help her. The sides still remained at 15 mm.
                At the 38th Czech, the reservation was further strengthened (forehead 50 mm, sides 30 mm) and the 4th crew member was added.
                1. +1
                  9 October 2019 19: 07
                  Quote: hohol95
                  That's just the T-26 had an advantage in armament.

                  In theory. In fact, for typical purposes, the 20-mm LT was quite enough at the beginning of the war.
                  Quote: hohol95
                  And the increase in armor did not particularly help her. The sides still remained at 15 mm.

                  So in order to get to the side - it’s necessary to correctly build a VET and make the enemy make a mistake. And on the T-26, you can just beat on the forehead.
                  Quote: hohol95
                  At the same time, the T-26 was much older than the Two.

                  What I am talking about is that the concept of "light tank" has changed a lot in 10 years.
                  This I still do not remember such light monsters as "Valya" with his 60 mm armor in a circle. smile
                  1. +1
                    9 October 2019 20: 06
                    In what year was "Valya" created as a tank for direct support of the infantry? What was the booking on the assignment?
                    According to the assignment, the tank must be equal to the "Matilda 2". From here and 60 mm!
                    And German light tanks were lucky in terms of their use in close connection with infantry, artillery and aviation!
                    In the commentary on ambushes, you gave an example of a lonely tank without infantry cover. There is no infantry cover, the tank was discovered and destroyed by a secretly close anti-tank gun.
                    With the right tank ambush preparations, the results were different -
                    At 5.00 on June 22, 1941, the commander of the tank regiment of the 5th Panzer Division of the 3rd Mechanized Corps, Colonel Bogdanov set the task of reconnaissance of a platoon of 6 BA-10 armored vehicles of senior lieutenant Surovtsev. Cars left the location of the unit at 6.25. When approaching the town of L., the platoon commander organized an ambush in the forest, on both sides of the highway. The cars are disguised so that from a distance of 200 meters they were difficult to notice.
                    At 10.00 it seemed to a platoon of German motorcyclists who were destroyed by BA-10 fire from a distance of 200-300 m. After 40 minutes a light tank appeared on the road, moving at high speed. The commander of one of the armored vehicles with the first shot from the gun set it on fire. After 7 minutes, two more tanks approached the ambush, which were also destroyed by BA-10 fire. Ten minutes later, a convoy of 15 tanks and motorcyclists approached the place where the tanks and motorcycles were wrecked. With their sudden fire, the BA-10 disabled 3 tanks and a large number of motorcycles, which forced the rest of the German cars to turn back. With the approach to the small town of L. of the main forces of the 7th Panzer Division of the 39th Panzer Corps of the Germans, the platoon of Senior Lieutenant Surovtsev withdrew to his own. Thus, as a result of a well-organized ambush, 6 BA-10 armored vehicles shot down and destroyed 6 German tanks and a large number of motorcycles.

                    It is a pity in 1941-1942, this happened very rarely.
  3. +9
    8 October 2019 18: 59
    And if we compare the effectiveness of the missions of Innocent Khalepsky (his team went to buy armored vehicles for the USSR in 1929, as the first part of the story told about) and Petra Secreta, it turns out that the Tsar’s colonel was much “more successful” - a total of 1422 cars were purchased in Europe . However, no attempts were made to reduce the qualitative and quantitative lag behind the West in automotive technology in tsarist Russia.

    Actually, measures have been taken. But as always - too late. For Ryabushinsky received an advance from the state for the construction of a car plant (the future AMO) and the supply of cars only in 1916. As a result production cars at the plant had to be organized already by the new government - before that, the factory had only a screwdriver assembly from Italian machine kits.
    By the way, the situation with the plant clearly highlights the main problem of the Empire's industry - it is impossible to establish more or less large-scale production without a government order. Kazi wrote about this situation at the end of the XNUMXth century (in relation to shipbuilding), calling the Russian shipbuilding industry a chimera that exists only at the expense of state orders. For there is no domestic market in the country capable of "raising" production. Before the war, Lessner tried to start production of cars for Russia and in Russia - and after a couple of years he turned this business down, switching to the production of torpedoes. smile
    And foreign markets are already occupied, and the Russians do not shine on them - for the West has switched to standardization and large series, and due to this it beats competitors with low cost.
  4. +1
    8 October 2019 19: 30
    "no attempts were made to reduce the qualitative and quantitative backwardness of the West in automotive technology in tsarist Russia" there are several reasons for this: 1) WWI was going on, and during the war it was difficult to establish production and the authorities decided: we will buy ready-made, and then you look and the war will end ...
    2) if instead of Nicholas 2, Alexander 3, perhaps they would also have made an attempt, but not a fact
    3) at the beginning of WWI, very few people still realized the importance of armored vehicles. Having already summarized the experience of WWI, they began to understand that the cavalry "will not make the weather," and that S. M. Budyonny at that time looked skeptically at the tanks. Stalin, a civilian man, understood the importance of technology in a future war, and Budyonny and, possibly, Voroshilov, preferred cavalry
    1. +7
      8 October 2019 20: 33
      Quote: vladcub
      3) at the beginning of WWI, very few people still realized the importance of armored vehicles. Having already summarized the experience of WWI, they began to understand that the cavalry "will not make the weather," and that S. M. Budyonny at that time looked skeptically at the tanks. Stalin, a civilian man, understood the importance of technology in a future war, and Budyonny and, possibly, Voroshilov, preferred cavalry

      Even in the Great Patriotic War, the horse "took out" a considerable share of the traffic. And in the "super-mechanized" Wehrmacht, each infantry company had two coachmen and a groom ... So they were not so wrong.

      Plus, do not forget that the car of the WWII era is by no means a "Ural", its advantages over a horse-drawn carriage in those days were very controversial.
      1. Alf
        +2
        8 October 2019 20: 51
        Quote: Spade
        And in the "super-mechanized" Wehrmacht, each infantry company had two coachmen and a groom ...


        Note the passage from 1,45 minutes to the end.
    2. +7
      8 October 2019 22: 07
      As for Budyonny with Voroshilov: this is a common misconception. Budyonny stood for mechanization of the Red Army. But at the same time, and for the preservation of the cavalry, as a mobile kind of troops. As a result, after the outbreak of war, it was necessary to hastily complete new cavalry connections, since shortly before the war the cavalry underwent a substantial reduction. Semen Mikhailovich was right.
  5. -1
    8 October 2019 20: 51
    "The deliberately impossible tasks that the country's leadership played off in front of the factories became a separate problem."
    Oh how! I made it up for myself - I wrote it myself. Does the author have experience in starting production? Or industry leadership? Or, at least, did he manage a hundred people? What a convenient little phrase - "impossible" and that's it!
  6. +1
    8 October 2019 21: 16
    There was nothing: a scientific and design school, personnel, armor, engines, transmissions, guns, radio, optics, factories, tactics, charters, locations, etc. Nothing. How could you manage to do everything by the age of 41? I do not understand.
    1. +1
      8 October 2019 21: 47
      Quote: Nikolai Alexandrovich
      There was nothing:

      Quote: Nikolai Alexandrovich
      Radio

      That was it. Yes, and a lot of what happened. Armor, for example. It didn’t work, the pre-revolutionary master was called, the church candles began to throw metal and prayers to the god to chatter. Immediately realized what was happening. Tactics? So, for example, Shaposhnikov was a graduate of the imperial academy of the General Staff. And he put his hand to the development of the charter of the Red Army.
      1. 0
        9 October 2019 19: 04
        There were candles. Not: alloying additives, antifreeze, rubber, air filters, electronic components, armor-piercing projectile shells. I managed to understand by the 41st year.
  7. +5
    8 October 2019 21: 30
    Here, by the way, the last paragraph struck .... belay (not "to be continued" ...)
    For me personally, the criterion for the development of any state is the manufacturability of its production capacities. How accurately the master and his machine can reproduce an ordinary bolt will be significant evidence of the country's development! Whatever they say, but even banal copying requires certain skills. And in order to bring this very copy to life, material science, sopromat ...
    I remember hearing a tale that the Union very generously distributed licenses for the production of AK-47s to its allies, but only without related metal data. As a result, Chinese, Czech, Romanian, Polish, etc. copies could not be compared with the originals ... So, draw conclusions ... feel
    1. 0
      8 October 2019 21: 53
      I did not compare, but I heard from those who knew that the Chinese AK would make G. beautifully. And the Czechoslovak
    2. +2
      8 October 2019 21: 56
      Copying is not as easy as it sounds. During the Second World War, the Americans bought a license to manufacture the Rolls-Royce Merlin aircraft engine. But they could not reproduce it, despite the technical documentation provided by them. The British had to send specialists to the States, and not only engineers, but also workers.
  8. +1
    8 October 2019 21: 48
    Well, yes, they didn’t understand, everyday life, Voroshilov, and Comrade Stalin, the role of armored forces in the modern war. Just what they are to blame. Just do not do it, out of honored military leaders full of idiots, they do not deserve it. All they understood, and tried to the best of their ability, to arm the Red Army, with new types of weapons, including armored vehicles. But one must understand that in RI, the tsarist government and Nikolai were very far from the technical progress of that time. in R.I. neither his chemical industry, nor his ball-bearing factory was even in the project, from the word at all, and this is the basis of all mechanical engineering. So, the Soviet government, everything had to be built from scratch, and the author is right about this. and in order to build, you must first educate millions of illiterate citizens of your country, and the Soviet government did it. So educational program is not just words. in ten years, to give the country tens of thousands of engineers, mechanics, and other specialists, this is a great achievement, only Soviet power can do it. Therefore, our tanks later went no worse than foreign ones, and in some ways it’s better. Everything is learned over time.
    1. +1
      9 October 2019 19: 46
      In vain you offend RI and Nikolai. Here read the guy https://brodaga-2.livejournal.com/404288.html
      Briefly, capaciously. I’ll add from myself: Popov - radio, Sikorsky - heavy aircraft. The frenzied development of railway and rolling stock production, the same river fleet, telegraph communication, telephone, electric city lighting, education, science, pensions, democracy, the press, cinema, literature, poetry, painting and so on and so forth. Do not offend the Empire.
      1. -2
        10 October 2019 05: 52
        if priest, it’s a stretch to be considered the inventor of radio, having thrown aside both Henry Hertz and Thomas Edison, who first patented the transmitter, then with Sikorsky brute force. What heavy aviation are you talking about? immediately the first, and which engines were Ilya Muromets? I’ll tell you the German argus marks, but the opinion of the famous general ........ ... The famous "Ilya Muromets", which had so many hopes, did not justify themselves. It must be assumed that in the future, significantly improved, this type of aircraft will be developed, but at that time it could not bring significant benefits ...
        - Brusilov A. A. “Memoirs” ......... now we go further, the railways, the first railway was built in England on October 25, 1825, and in Russia in 1837, twelve years of difference. Lighting cities say, and what? Petersburg and Moscow? but what about the rest, gas horns? The first powerful hydroelectric power station in Russia, was built under the Soviet regime, it is Dneproges. about education in RI it’s better not to stutter at all, 85 percent of the population are illiterate! read the same, a.p. Chekhov ,, notes of the rural doctor, about what diseases, men and women in the village turned to him. Hair will stand on end, there is a complete lack of basic hygiene. democracy of the press and other delights say, but nothing that the yard was the 20th century and in RI estates coexisted, and the nobility was exempted from paying taxes. how could that be ah? so no good in RI did not have.
  9. +3
    9 October 2019 01: 18
    Consider the example of supplying the Russian army with scarce vehicles. By August 1914, the Russian Empire had a little more than 700 cars involved for the needs of the military. The Russian-Baltic Carriage Works could produce no more than 130 cars a year, while the vast majority of them were passenger cars that were little in demand by the army.
    What to consider here? The tsarist government has adopted such customs laws, you wonder. A assembled car imported from abroad was much cheaper than a car assembled in RI. The reason is that components and finished products are subject to exorbitant import duties. This was in the hands of foreign manufacturers, and not the development of automotive industry in the Republic of Ingushetia.