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Indian Air Force: We will not purchase 5-generation fighters abroad in the foreseeable future

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The new commander of the Indian Air Force Rakesh Bhadauria made a statement regarding the renewal of aviation fleet India. According to Marshal aviation, India in the foreseeable future will not buy any of the fifth generation fighters abroad.


Indian Air Force: We will not purchase 5-generation fighters abroad in the foreseeable future


Recall that earlier India withdrew from a joint program with the Russian Federation to create a fifth-generation fighter FGFA (Su-57). Then, in New Delhi, they discussed the possibility of entering into cooperation with the United States for the purpose of hypothetical future purchases of F-35 fighters, including their decked version.

Rakesh Bhadauria:

The Indian Air Force is preparing to collaborate with relevant agencies to produce the Indian Advanced Generation 5th Generation AMCA mid-range combat aircraft, which will become the Indian stealth fighter.

The agency for aviation development, part of the defense research organization of India, said that the first prototype of the future fighter can be presented no earlier than in 6 years - in 2025 year. The Indian Air Force, meanwhile, noted that it was necessary to increase the intensity of work.

It is worth noting that earlier in the Swedish company SAAB offered their services to India as part of the creation of the fifth generation fighter (we are talking about the AMCA program). However, recently the Swedes decided to withdraw from the Indian tender, having withdrawn their offer on the 4 generation fighters. Representatives of the company made it clear that they were not satisfied with Indian requirements, including the requirement for the complete transfer of technology within the project.

Meanwhile, Marshal Bhadauria’s statement did not appeal to everyone in India. It is noted that while in India there will be a prototype of the future fifth-generation fighter, there will already be several J-20 fighter squadrons in neighboring China.
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 October 2019 16: 52
    +8
    Correctly. Do not take. They do not look like war elephants, and do not tolerate when they are taught to dance. laughing
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 17: 30
      +7
      hi
      Indians will dance. And there will be no "Hindi-Russi bhai-bhai" anymore. And many can tell them about friendship with mattresses ...
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 5 October 2019 17: 53
        -2
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        hi
        Indians will dance. And there will be no "Hindi-Russi bhai-bhai" anymore. And many can tell them about friendship with mattresses ...

        Privet Pashka! Do you remember this movie? Do you remember the translation of the words of this song?
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 5 October 2019 18: 21
          +10
          In the event of a serious clash between India and China, China will win. Too different technical level and amount of financing. So the phrase about how many fighters China will have is meaningless.
          Better let them see how many fighters Pakistan has. While Pakistan has not set up a 5th generation squadron, it makes sense for India to direct its budget to something more useful.
          1. Archon
            Archon 5 October 2019 20: 00
            0
            moreover, without taking into account nuclear weapons, if the hostilities drag out, the Chinese people will more steadily endure hardships and hardships thanks to the Chinese Communist Party. There will be more discipline, more production, more technology.
            But the USA can stand up for India and then everything will change.
            1. tol100v
              tol100v 5 October 2019 20: 12
              -1
              Quote: Archon
              But the USA can stand up for India and then everything will change.

              These will never enter anywhere without money! Remember the lend-lease for gold of the USSR!
              1. Keyser soze
                Keyser soze 5 October 2019 20: 57
                +2
                Remember the lend-lease for gold of the USSR!


                That's all cry that they are secretly minus. I’ve slapped you a minus for the fact that you are an ignoramus. And then on the site on which they wrote about Lendlis, wrote, wrote, wrote ... only the Chukchi did not read.
            2. Baikonur
              Baikonur 5 October 2019 20: 15
              -2
              Indian Air Force: We will not purchase 5th generation fighters ...

              Quote: Archon
              Moreover, ...
              better frostbite ears, legs and tail laughing
        2. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 20: 19
          0
          I remember, friend, hello !!! soldier
        3. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 22: 04
          -1
          Glory, hello! soldier Of course, I remember both the film and the song.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 6 October 2019 06: 31
        -1
        the Indians seem to have simply stolen technology, and are proud!
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 6 October 2019 06: 36
          +2
          Pride is not buzzing! yes
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 6 October 2019 19: 38
          +2
          Quote: aybolyt678
          the Indians seem to have simply stolen technology, and are proud!

          The point is not only this, but that the cost of developing and mass production of such equipment reaches astronomical amounts, and the real damage from it is incomparable even with operational tactical and medium-range missiles in nuclear equipment. That is why we cannot sell our latest aircraft abroad, and even fully equip our VKS - this is too expensive a program, and the cost of fighters is such that not even poor countries can buy them to significantly upgrade their fleet.
          Most likely, the Indians weighed everything and decided to change the priorities in their weapons program, which is why the procurement of such expensive equipment abroad was hindered.
    2. venik
      venik 5 October 2019 19: 39
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Correctly. Do not take. They do not look like war elephants, and do not tolerate when they are taught to dance. laughing

      =======
      Ha! They then develop a 4th generation fighter - poorly! And already on the 5th swing ...
      Something familiar ... Ah, REMEMBERED !!!:

      "... And what, and LOOK !!! ..."
      Here they are (Hindus, in the sense and "swing"! ("...Indian Air Force prepares to collaborate with relevant agencies for the production of the Indian advanced fifth generation AMCA mid-range combat aircraft, which will become the Indian stealth fighter..... "
      Here is how only they AT ALL do not "swing" .... with the 5th "generation"! wassat laughing bully
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 20: 22
        +2
        Volodya, hello! soldier drinks
        Quote: venik
        Here's how only they AT ALL do not "swing"

        Oh, how would they not comb at all and not get stuck ... soldier
        1. venik
          venik 5 October 2019 21: 46
          -1
          Hello Pasha! hi soldier
          Yes, these Indians have already "hesitated"! Such are already cunning ...twistede! "Make in India" !! Uh-uh-ace! Do "Developed in India" first ...
          And then they think the whole world will "plow" on them! They need to transfer the technology of the "sponges"! And - FREE OF CHARGE !!! laughing
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 6 October 2019 06: 46
            +3
            Volodya, the Hindus really are already sitting in the liver.
            Quote: venik
            They need to pass on the technology of the "sponges" !! And - FREE OF CHARGE!

            You are right, my friend ....
    3. cormorant
      cormorant 6 October 2019 00: 06
      +4
      So the cunning Indians outwitted everyone ... They won’t buy everything. Build your national super plane. The 20th generation will be built for 5 years, and as a result, when the 6th flies in the world, in India 4 may be built.
  2. 1976AG
    1976AG 5 October 2019 16: 53
    +11
    they cannot deal with this tender either, what is the fifth generation there. They, with their requests, are tired of everyone like fuckers with their snot. They do not want to fly - let them walk on foot.
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 5 October 2019 20: 17
      -1
      Quote: 1976AG
      They, with their requests, are tired of everyone like fuckers with their snot. They do not want to fly - let them walk on foot.

      Dances with tambourines, and even on elephants, with requests to give all the technology for further resale to everyone! Gypsy camp with his Baron just cry!
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 5 October 2019 16: 55
    +3
    Everything will be as always, and they will develop their own for about 30 years, and, look, they will also buy the Chinese J15, or our Su57. For the Indians say one thing and do most often, exactly the opposite of what was said.
    1. knyf
      knyf 5 October 2019 18: 07
      +1
      C on a string. And the Swedes, the senior partner, probably banned the sale.
      1. Alf
        Alf 5 October 2019 18: 33
        +9
        Quote: knyf
        And the senior partner probably banned the sale to the Swedes.

        Hardly. Most likely, the descendants of the Vikings are tired of the eternally Indian "I want or don't want" and "give, but for free."
        1. ltc35
          ltc35 5 October 2019 18: 57
          +4
          The mentality of northern and southern peoples is too different. In the north, "yes" is "yes", and in the south, "maybe." Most likely by the end of the year we will hear that they will buy the 5th generation, BUT with the transfer of technology.
          1. Alf
            Alf 5 October 2019 19: 37
            0
            Quote: ltc35
            we will hear that they will buy the 5th generation, BUT with the transfer of technology.

            They want to buy, but the question is, who will sell it?
            1. Self
              Self 6 October 2019 04: 51
              0
              Russia will sell as soon as the Indians decide to fork out a little. What problems ?
              1. Alf
                Alf 6 October 2019 20: 44
                0
                Quote: Self
                Russia will sell as soon as the Indians decide to fork out a little. What problems ?

                Rather, the dancers knock down the price.
      2. Marconi41
        Marconi41 5 October 2019 21: 57
        +3
        Quote: knyf
        C on a string. And the Swedes, the senior partner, probably banned the sale.

        Swedes, too, do not go to transfer a complete set of technologies to the Indians. And ours did not find mutual understanding with India on the same basis. Let them buy the full cycle of the Chinese counterpart AN-2. Get everything to the rivet.
    2. Karabas
      Karabas 5 October 2019 18: 28
      +2
      Everything will be as always, and they will develop their own for about 30 years, and, look, they will also buy the Chinese J15, or our Su57. For the Indians say one thing and do most often, exactly the opposite of what was said.

      Yes, it’s not from a great mind. It doesn’t come that there are no fools to give their latest developments to them.
    3. venik
      venik 5 October 2019 19: 05
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      For the Indians say one thing and do most often, exactly the opposite of what was said.

      ======
      good They are generally: they say - onedo - otherbut they think - third! And that’s all - to the dances with tambourines and clap ..... request fool
  4. AshiSolo
    AshiSolo 5 October 2019 16: 55
    +2
    Well, in general, everything is as usual. It can be interpreted both as a return to the joint program and as a purchase of technologies and production at home. I doubt very much what he was trying to say about independent development.
  5. Graz
    Graz 5 October 2019 17: 05
    +5
    mdya as if it were their turn to offer 5 generation fighters laughing
  6. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 5 October 2019 17: 08
    +9
    It is noted that while in India there will be a prototype of the future fifth-generation fighter, in neighboring China there will already be several squadrons of J-20 fighters.
    And there is an old hut, on the threshold sits a grandmother, in front of her a broken trough. feel
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 5 October 2019 19: 38
      +2
      By the way, this shameful grandmother has been facing this shameful trough for TWENT years and the Air Force Marshal is already their fourth (was it because of the previous one that they had sunk to the 35th and 57th ?? And if less were made with Bramos then the Brahmos could have been faster and longer-range (well, their money didn’t let the liberoids close the topic)) ...
  7. eagle owl
    eagle owl 5 October 2019 17: 12
    +6
    It looks like they don’t sell them to you - you got all of them badly winked
  8. Lesorub
    Lesorub 5 October 2019 17: 19
    +4
    The Indian Air Force is preparing to collaborate with relevant agencies to produce the Indian Advanced Generation 5th Generation AMCA mid-range combat aircraft, which will become the Indian stealth fighter.

    The Hindus have obvious problems with independent development and lack of technology - who will be included in the AMCA project and how long it takes will remain in question.
  9. Livonetc
    Livonetc 5 October 2019 17: 27
    +6
    If I want to?...
    Can I?...
    Ugh you ..
    Magnolia!
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 5 October 2019 17: 41
      +2
      Quote: Livonetc
      If I want to?...
      Can I?...
      Ugh you ..
      Magnolia!

      At the edge of magnolias the sun shines
      Guys dancing to chords ...
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 5 October 2019 19: 40
      0
      Beautiful ... still to remember ...
    3. Cat man null
      Cat man null 5 October 2019 23: 09
      -1
      Quote: Livonetc
      Ugh you ..

      Am I threshing? laughing
  10. Pavel57
    Pavel57 5 October 2019 17: 33
    +2
    Pull, but there will be more choice, both Japanese and Turkish.
  11. sabakina
    sabakina 5 October 2019 17: 39
    +3
    According to the air marshal, India will not buy any of the fifth generation fighters abroad in the foreseeable future.

    1. tol100v
      tol100v 5 October 2019 20: 22
      -1
      A beautiful answer to the situation! But if Che, come in!
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 5 October 2019 17: 39
    +2
    It is difficult for Indians to dance on the project of a fifth-generation fighter, while they decide in India what is more important for them, China will have hundreds of 5-generation aircraft.
  13. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 5 October 2019 17: 39
    +2
    While India will make the first flight prototype (2025), China will have not several squadrons, but several regiments and rich operational experience. Maybe something new will appear.
    1. knyf
      knyf 5 October 2019 18: 11
      0
      The engine, or what? It is doubtful. The Chinese, too, saw and saw more.
  14. knn54
    knn54 5 October 2019 17: 48
    +1
    Not matured.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 5 October 2019 19: 42
      0
      For Indians, this word is spelled together ...
  15. Avior
    Avior 5 October 2019 17: 52
    +3
    Indian Air Force prepares to collaborate with relevant agencies to produce fifth generation Indian advanced mid-range combat aircraft

    I'd love to see a list of these relevant agencies.
    They abandoned the Russian project, as well as cooperation with the Americans.
    China is excluded by definition.
    This is where did they find the relevant agencies? Where else have fifth-generation aircraft been developed? In Burkina Faso as part of a cargo cult?
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall 5 October 2019 17: 56
      -5
      Quote: Avior
      This is where they found the relevant agencies

      BAE for example
      1. Avior
        Avior 5 October 2019 18: 12
        0
        If you are about Tempest, then there is far from only BAE.
        London, September 11, 2019 - Today at DSEI, leading UK defense companies (BAE Systems, Leonardo UK, Rolls Royce and MBDA UK), together with key Italian Industry players (Leonardo Italy, Elettronica, Avio Aero and MBDA Italy) announced their intent to partner on the Tempest program by signing a Statement of Intent (“SOI”).

        Only no one will guarantee that the development will end successfully.
        Europe doesn’t really care, but India has China and Pakistan nearby
        1. Town Hall
          Town Hall 5 October 2019 18: 22
          -5
          What does Tempest have to do with it? You asked with sarcasm who this India can turn to regarding the development of the aircraft. The answer is simple, the world is full of companies with competencies for such work. Boeing, Lockheed, BAE, Leonardo, Airbus, etc. They can contract one, or they can consortium. They will finance R&D and forward. India is not under sanctions as far as I know. Who will forbid them? Well this is not state-owned companies, but private traders.
          But what is burning in India? Pakistan has 5th generation squadrons? Or China has been sitting tightly on the western military embargo since 89?
          1. Avior
            Avior 5 October 2019 22: 09
            +3
            And how did you determine that they have such competencies?
            LM certainly possesses, but about those who have never done such a thing, it cannot be said that they can do it with acceptable quality, in an acceptable time frame and at an affordable price.
            1. Town Hall
              Town Hall 5 October 2019 22: 48
              -4
              Quote: Avior
              who has never done this,

              Almost all of these firms participated or are participating in the F-35 program. And they have the intellectual, industrial and technological potential in no way inferior to Lockheed.
              1. Avior
                Avior 5 October 2019 22: 50
                0
                Participated, does not mean that they can do the same.
                Not to mention time and cost
                1. Town Hall
                  Town Hall 5 October 2019 23: 02
                  -4
                  Quote: Avior
                  Not to mention time and cost

                  Lockheed with these factors did not work out very well if that)
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 5 October 2019 23: 08
                    0
                    This is true, and a lot of money was thrown in, although there was a basis in the form of f-22.
                    But the f-35 is already there, and this still needs to be developed, and what happens in the end is a question, and most importantly, how long will it take.
                    In principle, sooner or later, one way or another, many will be pulled in development by the fifth generation, but the Indians, unlike others, are not very easy to wait.
                    Others made it easier - they bought a part of the f-35 and began to develop their own, like the British and others.
                    But the Indians for the same money preferred Rafal.
                    1. Town Hall
                      Town Hall 5 October 2019 23: 12
                      -2
                      India is not the country where the United States would have sold the F-35 at the moment. And if it had sold, by no means 80 million each as to itself and the allies who participated in the program and invested in R&D. So Rafal is the best option for India at the moment.
                      1. Leopold
                        Leopold 5 October 2019 23: 27
                        +2
                        Colleague, what does your nickname mean? Do not take it as a second aid, just not strong in languages, but interesting. If not a secret, of course. hi
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 6 October 2019 07: 50
                        +1
                        States have offered to buy the F-35 of India repeatedly, since 2010 and earlier.
                        And not all customers invested in the development of the F-35.
                        I will not argue about the price, as far as I understand, it hasn’t come to this, so no one knows how much.
                      3. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 6 October 2019 08: 23
                        -2
                        Quote: Avior
                        States have offered to buy f-35 India repeatedly, since 2010 and earlier

                        Can I proof? Only serious)
                        Quote: Avior
                        And not all buyers invested in the development of the F-35

                        Japan and Israel did not invest the money, but it was more likely the decision of the USA itself to prevent it from being classified as a program partner
                      4. Avior
                        Avior 6 October 2019 09: 54
                        0
                        https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.lenta.ru/news/2010/01/13/f35/amp/
                        Belgium did not participate, for example
                        According to the Belgian Ministry of Defense, the cost of one F-35 capable of carrying nuclear weapons reaches 76,3 million euros, including arming and training pilots.

                        https://www.google.com/amp/s/ria.ru/amp/20181026/1531520026.html
                      5. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 6 October 2019 11: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.lenta.ru/news/2010/01/13/f35/amp/

                        I asked for a serious link). Lockheed at least in one tender of the Indian Air Force participated with f-35?
                      6. Avior
                        Avior 6 October 2019 13: 40
                        0
                        You did not ask anything about the tender and I did not write.
                        And why should we talk only about the tender?
                        The question was about the sale of f-35 to India.
                        Information confirms - States have no objection
                      7. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 6 October 2019 14: 23
                        0
                        This is not information. This is OBS. The desire to sell airplanes is manifested by participation in tenders and not by tales of state-owned Indian media)
                      8. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 6 October 2019 12: 00
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        Belgium

                        Read
                        https://blog.hexagongeospatial.com/belgium-and-hexagon-team-up-for-lockheed-martin-f-35-program/
                      9. Avior
                        Avior 6 October 2019 16: 11
                        0
                        I read it. Well, join later, no problem
              2. Cat man null
                Cat man null 5 October 2019 22: 52
                +1
                Quote: Town Hall
                уchavorchavrush

                Chav-chav-chav ... I wanted to ask for a long time - how is the field there ... not gone? wink

                1. Leopold
                  Leopold 5 October 2019 23: 13
                  +3
                  And what does the word "Town Hall" mean?
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 5 October 2019 23: 22
                    +2
                    Quote: Leopold
                    And what does the word "Town Hall" mean?

                    This is not for me, this is for the "Town Hall" request

                    PS: some national dish, in my opinion)))
                    1. Leopold
                      Leopold 5 October 2019 23: 25
                      +4
                      Got it, not at the address. I'll try for a straight line. It’s interesting.
    2. Karabas
      Karabas 5 October 2019 18: 30
      +1
      I'd love to see a list of these relevant agencies.
      They abandoned the Russian project, as well as cooperation with the Americans.
      China is excluded by definition.
      This is where did they find the relevant agencies? Where else have fifth-generation aircraft been developed? In Burkina Faso as part of a cargo cult?

      Israel vparitsya as the Chinese their crafts under the guise of a fifth generation.
  16. Karabas
    Karabas 5 October 2019 18: 26
    +1
    The Indian Air Force is preparing to collaborate with relevant agencies to produce the Indian Advanced Generation 5th Generation AMCA mid-range combat aircraft, which will become the Indian stealth fighter.

    Clear. If we see at least where the word agency is, immediately into the trash. Abusive, bad word. laughing The Indians have not yet reached. smile
  17. EDWARD
    EDWARD 5 October 2019 18: 56
    +4
    Gypsies in a noisy crowd, pushing a booty locomotive. however offended means!
  18. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 October 2019 20: 39
    0
    Well, no, no, no ..... how Pakistan will equip its FT17. Afar and long-range missiles
  19. Berkut24
    Berkut24 5 October 2019 20: 53
    0
    An example of how you need to advance in technology in order to lag behind the rest forever.
  20. rocket757
    rocket757 5 October 2019 21: 39
    +1
    Reasonable finally! Fifth generation it is ... no. Wait a bit and the sixth saga begins!
  21. Karaul14
    Karaul14 5 October 2019 22: 01
    -2
    And no one will sell them, F-35s even US allies like Saudi Arabia cannot get, although they are ready to open their rich wallet. Regarding their withdrawal from the Su-57 program, apparently, it really does not meet the criteria of the 5th generation. But this is a moot point, the United States will not sell them, China will not sell them either, what should they buy?
    1. Avior
      Avior 5 October 2019 22: 52
      +1
      On the contrary, India USA F-35 has long been offering
      1. Karaul14
        Karaul14 11 October 2019 05: 38
        0
        That is news such that it is not necessary to consider news. They will not sell the F-35 to India.
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    1. Leopold
      Leopold 5 October 2019 23: 20
      +4
      Rudolph hi Do not take to heart. Saturday evening. drinks Glad to see, otherwise you rarely even appear in marine articles, although you read. feel Boas and you are always happy to read. On the topic, I’m a layman, so at least in my old age I will see clearly. You do not disappear, please. yes
  23. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 5 October 2019 22: 14
    0
    It seems to mine that this someone in India is an unbridled optimist. Considering how many years they have been "finishing" the "tejas", the prototype of the 5th generation will fly when the Chinese move to the sixth.
    1. Avior
      Avior 5 October 2019 22: 54
      +2
      Road going by walking.
      They are not going to develop themselves
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 6 October 2019 15: 15
        0
        Perhaps overpower. Only on the road you need to go in advance in order to finish on time. In such races, the cost of defeat is very high.
  24. maidan.izrailovich
    maidan.izrailovich 6 October 2019 04: 00
    0
    Right.
    Dancers and singers do not need weapons at all. crying
    Any adversary will be danced to death. lol
  25. Self
    Self 6 October 2019 04: 57
    0
    The Swedes withdrew the tender for 4th generation aircraft, because they do not want to give up technology. And Russia was ready to give the 5th, if the Indians themselves did not run away? How interesting is that.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 6 October 2019 15: 16
      0
      It depends on what to give. The French also give some technology for "rafal", only the Indians do not need them.
  26. EnGenius
    EnGenius 6 October 2019 10: 44
    0
    What is the fifth generation for Indians - they cannot even update their fourth. Require urgent replacement of at least 500 aircraft. And given the rich experience of India, she will be replaced for another twenty years. Then they will buy a license for Su-57E from Russia and stick fifty-one hundred pieces for themselves.
  27. Artunis
    Artunis 6 October 2019 12: 19
    0
    Outsmarted themselves, freeloaders! the Americans did not pass on any critical technology to anyone, they sold, unlike us, by the way.
  28. evgeni kurilo
    evgeni kurilo 6 October 2019 14: 17
    0
    The Hindus did everything right, the fifth generation American planes are raw, and the Russian are not ready yet who will do better and buy, the 4 ++ generation is more than enough for them, as well as for the Russians.
    In the meantime, they are buying C400, which will perfectly cope with Chinese and other aircraft of the 5th generation.
  29. Yar_Vyatkin
    Yar_Vyatkin 7 October 2019 21: 23
    0
    They are trying to sell this idiotic Tejas MK2 in a new package once again with their own Air Force. From it, an 5 generation aircraft - like from a hedgehog fur coat. I imagine the size of bribes from industry to this Bahaduria and other necessary people, so that they suffer such nonsense.
    The most interesting thing is that several years of vigorous cutting will take place, they will once again be convinced that the local industry once again could not give birth to anything, for which even the 5 incarnation of the creators of the creation would not be ashamed - and again they will go to ours or somewhere else.