“Thank you to Ukraine”: the Chinese thank Kiev for the transfer of military technology

The Chinese media published material that led to a wide expert and public discussion, primarily in the PRC itself. Discussion is already indicated by the name of the material that the Chinese press is replicating. It sounds as follows: “Thanks to Ukraine. For over 20 years, this country has transferred so many basic military technologies to China. ”

The material notes that in recent years, the military industry of the PRC has seriously developed. In particular, they build their own aircraft carriers, new generation fighters, submarines, and create missiles, including cruise missiles.

From an article in Sohu:

We can say that the development of armaments, which the West spent from 50 to 100 years in China took place in about three decades. And these achievements of the military industry are inseparable from such a country as Ukraine. It was she, the former republic of the Soviet Union, who inherited many advanced military technologies from the USSR, and ultimately transferred almost all of the important ones to us (China).

In particular, an example is given of the development of tank building in the PRC after Ukraine transfers several technologies tanksincluding the T-80. It is also reminded that Ukraine at one time sold China an aircraft carrier, today known as Liaoning.

From the material:

China managed to buy an aircraft carrier for only 20 million dollars. But there were not only technologies for the construction of an aircraft carrier as such, but also many other, truly key, military technologies.

Experts, picking up information, add that one of these technologies has become one that is associated with the creation of carrier-based fighters. At the same time, cheers and patriots in the PRC believe that thanks to Ukraine are superfluous, and Chinese scientists and engineers need to be thanked.

Comments

[Pessimist22]

So they sold not only military technology, but also sold their country.

[Troll]

No, it was not they who sold the country; the hunchbacked country was sold. Ukrainians are just scavengers, they sold out what they found and picked up on the ruins of the USSR

[Nicholas C.]

A fictional nation, based on the idea of ​​betrayal (see their heroes: Vygovsky, Mazepa, Grushevsky. Petlyura, Bandera, and many others), can not do otherwise.
- Ponase, will you be a kid when you become a hetman?
- That I’m stealing a hundred hryvnias and ticking.
There is no master overseas will not discern them. So missile technologies from UMZ, engines from Motor Sich and Dawns for pennies were transferred. Technologies for the production of aircraft carriers together with an aircraft carrier for 20 million? What about this? They generally handed out drawings of the military transport An-70 to all interested. Ukraine sells weapons and technology not only to China, but also to North Korea, to all separatists and terrorists around the world. But supposedly this was annoyed by the damned Muscovites. The fact that they themselves were left without pants at the same time does not bother them. They are bursting with mriy, that now for this Omeriga will forever give them for nothing much more than they were given to Muscovites.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Nikolai S, it’s in their blood to steal, deceive, betray ... Not of course, of all, but of an overwhelming majority. Moreover, such acts are not considered vile.

[krot]

Thanks to our brothers who betrayed us! And they continue to sell this "product" who will pay more. The whole essence of the Sumerians. Salo Ukraine ..!

[Baikonur]

Quote: krot

Thanks to our brothers who betrayed us! And they continue to sell this "product" who will pay more. All essence ...-

- they are not my brother ... (to us) (film "Brother")
As they (almost all) also speak (consider).

[intuzazist]

And I think so ... ...

[NordOst16]

What does everyone around want to blame themselves? The USSR destroyed not only Gorbachev, but also the citizens of the USSR themselves, for faith in the state disappeared and they wanted changes.

[poquello]

Quote: NordOst16

What does everyone around want to blame themselves? The USSR destroyed not only Gorbachev, but also the citizens of the USSR themselves, for faith in the state disappeared and they wanted changes.

and the USSR is a given such a religion? to believe, not to believe, there were results in the affairs of the CPSU

[NordOst16]

Well, by faith, I meant the attitude of citizens to the management and politics of the state

[zombirusrev]

All citizens became petty bourgeois and lazy. We don’t want to go to party meetings, trade unionists, "but what for" ... they waited for 300 varieties of sausages and the invisible hand of the market that would stuff all this sausage with beer into their mouths ... without leaving the sofa in front of the TV set. So they waited. And the hucksters and cunning rogues did not wait, they made the state for themselves, for their material needs. So they got their way. Why cry now. Themselves are to blame for everything. Nobody gives rights just like that .... sometimes they fight for them very cruelly. Ukrainian rogues are the upper part of the food chain, they will sell everything and they will wash off to Canada they do not care about the people from the word "Call!" (C)

[Dikson]

To shake off the blame? How interesting is that? In Moscow everything was decided .. And now it is being decided. The republics under the USSR, and now the regions, do they decide a lot? All the money, all orders and decisions come from Moscow .. I remember watching the shooting of the White House .. on TV .. How Rutskoi shouted on the air: America! Europe! we are being killed here! And the people in the country didn’t understand a damn what was happening there .. "Boris, you are wrong .." People really believed in the Party, in the government and did not understand that they were betrayed. Betrayed and sold .. Ruined everything? And what about the referendum? After all, there was a referendum, the results of which the authorities simply decided not to pay attention to .. The people then voted against the collapse of the USSR .. But the first secretaries decided to be princes and finally grab it in the open ..

[NordOst16]

And where were the vaunted intelligence agencies? Where is the army? Where was the active struggle of citizens with the new government? Everyone sat quietly in front of the TV instead of actively fighting the new government. And since it was not like everyone didn’t give a damn when the Soviets were built, they met much more resistance than the new authorities during the collapse of the USSR.

[poquello]

Quote: Dikson

and now - the regions, do they decide a lot? All money, all orders and decisions come from Moscow ..

don’t tell my slippers, right now in our courtyard an elite high-rise building is being built right in the courtyard of an apartment building, it’s under some kind of law prohibiting point buildings, the arrow of a crane above the playground goes, I’ve directly believed you that from Moscow, it’s purely with the connivance of local authorities

[Umalta]

I agree. Then these princes actively cultivated the sprouts of nationalism so that the people, God forbid, would try to unite and the West and money and methods would help them, buy bundles of the elite, the heights of the intelligentsia, a perverse story was taught, where the Russian people are a colonizer, a drunkard and a slacker, which he lived at the expense of the outskirts and this lasted for almost 30 years and continues now. And young people come to us to work, but they are already completely alien, not remembering the Soviet era, and they are fleeing from the devastation that the princes arranged, plundered and sold everything.

[1536]

In the media, information flashed about how several hundred (!) Cottage villages are abandoned in the Moscow region. An eerie sight - the skeletons of brick houses, overgrown with weeds, broken roads. They say that now you can only play paintball there, which is happening. Who built them, who was going to live in them? Is it not the party-Komsomol "princelings" with their henchmen and servants?
So they grabbed something, but it didn't go any further, only a few became successful businessmen, for the most part they went abroad, and some went to the next world. This is the tragedy that the country disintegrated quietly and peacefully, as if a person rested in the Bose, but then the division of his inheritance began. And it was not those who were smarter, more educated and better in their moral and ethical or strong-willed qualities who received it, but those who are more unprincipled and more impudent than others. Moreover, this happened on the territory of the entire USSR. As a result, many riches, including once advanced technologies, are pumped overseas, fall into the hands of foreign capitalists, and those "cottages" will not be built just like that, they have accepted a salary of 50 thousand USD to work out in full. And their "blue dream" is like eating Russia now, because they have already devoured Ukraine.

[Astronaut]

Where x about x about l passed - the Jew has nothing to do (s)

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Pessimist22

So they sold not only military technology, but also sold their country.

They have not yet sold the country. They are only preparing to sell land to foreigners.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Pessimist22

So they sold not only military technology, but also sold their country.

I remember Peter established the order of Judah for Mazepa.

By the way, also Ukrainian steering.

[Antares]

Quote: NEXUS

By the way, also Ukrainian steering.

like us were not then, all were Russian.

[210ox]

No, not like. It just wasn’t ..

[Prisoner]

Once the order of Judah appeared, then for sure there were.

[Cottodraton]

This is when you need something - you are Russians, but somehow all of you become proud nationalities whom the Russians "tortured" ... Very, by the way, it is convenient, as in that proverb - "And eat a fish and ... etc.

[Umalta]

Antares
Well, how is your hero the same descendant of the diggers of the Black Sea.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Antares

like us were not then, all were Russian.

malorosy were

[svp67]

Quote: Pessimist22

So they sold not only military technology, but also sold their country.

Soviet cartoons didn’t send them for the future ..

[iouris]

Quote: Pessimist22

they sold not only military technology, but they also sold their country.

Let's be objective: "they" are "we" too. Our (common) country went to spare parts.

[Prisoner]

So we hope that they will dry out. Although Bandera in the head of health does not add.

[RUSS]

Quote: Pessimist22

So they sold not only military technology, but also sold their country.

And how many airborne cruisers did we sell to China and South Korea?

[Cottodraton]

How much, YOU, sold?

[Grits]

Quote: RUSS

And how many airborne cruisers did we sell to China and South Korea?

Two. Minsk and Novorossiysk. Once I saw them live

[Prisoner]

It seems that they are already being squeezed out of the sale of their Nenko by other sellers, more impressive. They are desovetsiziruyutsya! And the fact that the Soviets were those threads that all these rags passed into one patchwork quilt, then they added to Little Russia, they did not think. Not a feeble fool was dumped by neighbors, and back in the 90s.

[venik]

Quote: Pessimist22

So they sold not only military technology, but also sold their country.

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If only YOUR technologies were sold .... So God bless them! They sold what was NOT designed by them! Hundreds of factories and design bureaus worked on the same aircraft carrier .....
And the cruiser "Admiral Lobov" - well on KOI, I ask, he asked them? All the same, after all, they did not finish building - and rotted at the wall of the plant! But no, they clung to him with a "stranglehold" - needed - not needed ... Maybe "in the household will fit" .... That's really "kurkulskaya"nature .....

[energoteknolog]

Yeah, how are you.

[Greenwood]

In spite of the damned Muscovites, it’s not a pity to sell my mother’s own. Not like some kind of aircraft carrier or tanks.

[energoteknolog]

Well, yes, taiga is not an aircraft carrier, it can be sold wholesale and retail.

[Grits]

Quote: Greenwood

Not like some kind of aircraft carrier or tanks.

And you remember Minsk with Novorossiysk on the roads near Texas. Why are we better? He gets sick.

[poquello]

for Ukraine, the saying "Give the fool a glass member, he, bam, and about the corner" is very suitable.

[YOUR]

All for sale. Before they were sold until in the late 90s they had cops with teaching staff, because there were no cartridges for AKSU74. Successfully bargained.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: YOUR

Before they were sold before the end of 90’s, they had cops with teaching staff,

I liked it more when the Ukrainian peacekeeping battalion of the UN forces was stationed in Yugoslavia, and when it was withdrawn, they only had 16 SKS carbines left, and the rest somewhere evaporated (auto-armored vehicles too). But the lads are able to do business.

[YOUR]

Yes, what a business. They just wanted to eat. Business procurement did. The rest for food is all that can be changed.

[energoteknolog]

Can you confirm your words? Well, at least something.

[energoteknolog]

What are you talking about? Wasn’t, wasn’t, and suddenly in the Donbass mine millions of pieces were discovered, or what? And how does the AKSU74 cartridge differ from the AK74?

[YOUR]

The fact that your cops, as in other matters, and ours are armed mainly with such assault rifles. And to confirm written only information from the Internet. No more. As you elegantly put it in the Donbass mine is a cartridge factory - Lugansk cartridge factory. Which works in three shifts. Donbass is a fairly rich region, there are raw materials for the operation of the plant.

[Grits]

Quote: energoteknolog

And how does the AKSU74 cartridge differ from the AK74?

The fact that the cartridge for the AKSU approached the cop automatic. And the cartridge for AK47 to the army. It’s just that the police were able to do business a little better

[Mountain shooter]

And most importantly, for pennies! nothing actually earned for it. Neither the country nor the sellers
Reminds me of a deal from the 90s. To steal a tank of alcohol, sell it "at a discount", and drink the money!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And most importantly, for pennies! nothing actually earned for it.

Well, as you do not understand, the main thing is not how much to sell and to whom, but the main thing is the sale process itself.

[Grits]

Quote: energoteknolog

What did you earn for Admiral Gorshkov? In general, I give the Indians for free

I don’t want to dig to find how much they shoved the Indians for "Gorshkov", but certainly not for 25 million American hryvnias. But I know that we have made money on it - the experience of transforming the cruiser "Gorshkov" into the aircraft carrier "Vikrimaditya". Experience not only of the enterprise, but also of all workers and engineers who worked there, design bureaus and other organizations. And it costs a lot. After all, we have not built such ships before and have not been repaired - all these competencies were in Ukraine.
I myself worked at the NSR in Severodvinsk at that time, so I know what I'm talking about.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Gritsa

I don't want to dig to find for how much they shoved the Indians "Gorshkov",

at least 3 billion

[Avior]

Experts, picking up information, add that one of these technologies has become one that is associated with the creation of carrier-based fighters.

It remains to understand what kind of technology this was in Ukraine?
Brazil, by the way, is now selling an aircraft carrier with French technology for $ 1 million, 20 times cheaper than Ukraine.

[The Siberian barber]

Do you remember the year of "birth" of the Brazilian?

[Avior]

A-Varyag wasn’t born at all, which doesn’t stop someone from shouting that they sold for only 20 million

[Greenwood]

So it is ancient as a threshing mammoth. But Ukraine sold unfinished, essentially new.

[Avior]

In fact, they sold a set of scrap metal that no one except the Chinese wanted to take.
This is the Chinese brought to mind.
Aircraft carrier, at the price of scrap metal, as you can see, it costs 1 million ....

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

In fact, they sold a set of scrap metal that no one except the Chinese wanted to take.

The aircraft carrier Varyag was already afloat, 70% built, so there is no need to talk about metal. Invest 30% of the completion and get 500 million. This is a normal business, and selling for 25 million is already a bazaar.

[Avior]

Gorshkov was at Float; he was given to India for free.
And Varyag had only a body, a bare piece of iron, which no one needed in either the form or in the completed building.
The only one who needed to buy it was Russia. But did not buy.
None of the ships of Project 1143 were sold more expensively than the empty hull of the Varyag.
Kiev - 1.6 million, Novorossiysk - 4 million, Minsk - 4.5 million, Gorshkov - the ship itself was given to India for free, they paid only for repairs.
But all ears buzzed by the sale of the body of the Varangian, which no one wanted to buy. Tired of it already.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

And Varyag had only a body - a bare piece of iron, which no one needed in either the form or in the completed

Since 1988 years afloat.

[Avior]

Namely, the bare piece of iron is afloat.
Without any hope of completion, at about the same time, Russia was actively getting rid of other Project 1143 ships, it didn’t make any sense to finish the Varyag, and keeping it rotting against the wall was even less.
Naturally sold to the one who paid.

[Avior]

Here is the hull afloat being pulled to China

That's what it looked like near Varangian at the time of sale to China.

but the fact that the Chinese from it is a fully-fledged ship, albeit a training one, sparing no effort and money, were able to do so, it must be honestly recognized as a merit of the Chinese themselves

[Engineer]

Checked the sale prices of aircraft carriers. It all fits together
The facts are murderous.
It’s not for us to poke a finger at our neighbors.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Avior

sells an aircraft carrier with French technology for $ 1 million,

Auction, the initial rate is $ 1,275 million. And a lot of $ must be invested in repairs ("in 2012 it suffered from a fire. As indicated, new repair work will last until 2026. As a result in 2017 they decided to get rid of him"), besides," Liaoning "(project 1143.6) was laid down in 1985, while the aircraft carrier" Foch "of the" Clemenceau "type was built for the French Navy since 1957. Probably they thought that it would be more expensive to dispose of

[Avior]

The French sold it to Brazilians in a usable condition for 12 million.
That is, it will not be more expensive with metal.
Do you know how much Project 1143 ships sold for?
Like Kiev, for example, for 1,6 million.
But this sale to the Chinese of the Varyag’s hull, which was still not a ship near, all the ears buzzed.

[swzero]

The documentation leaked from there and one of the samples of ship-drying drying prototype su-33 was washed out. The Chinese at this base made their version of the carrier-based fighter.

[figwam]

Yes, the Chinese wanted to buy a pair of Su-33s in Russia, but we refused, after which the Ukrainians sold them a prototype T-10K, especially the Chinese were interested in a folding wing and reinforced landing gear, which was copied from our aircraft, as well as much more.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

Brazil, by the way, is now selling an aircraft carrier with French technology for 1 million dollars,

Ukraine can buy it and become the only country with an aircraft carrier on the Black Sea.

[eagle owl]

the former republic of the Soviet Union, having inherited many advanced military technologies from the USSR, in the end, almost all of the important ones were passed on to us

Uh ma-at ... It’s scary to imagine that after this phrase blazes in Kiev
First, they recalled that they are not a country, but only a "former republic of the USSR"
Secondly, in plain text - they themselves did not do nichrome, they only inherited it.
Thirdly, what they inherited - they just ... fell, selling advanced technologies by stupidity

I demand to enter a smiley - "crying with delight" !!!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Uhu

Uh ma-at ... It’s scary to imagine that after this phrase blazes in Kiev
First, they recalled that they are not a country, but only a "former republic of the USSR"
Secondly, in plain text - they themselves did not do anything, only inherited.

You can make noise, you can jump, you can shout "Glory to Ukraine" and nothing will change, but everything that the Chinese said in plain text is true, and you can't take offense at yourself.

[energoteknolog]

And what has the other "former republic of the USSR" produced? Or did she inherit it? And how many people in Russia have ... fallen in total?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: energoteknolog

And how many pros in Russia have ... fallen all?

Maybe they overslept, but recovered, but you wake up everything, and it seems that you have completely fallen asleep.

[The Siberian barber]

I can imagine the smiles of VO readers in the direction of Ukraine) But, over the past quarter of a century, a lot has "flowed" from the Russian Federation, officially and "not so"
As a vivid example: the story with the Yakovlev Design Bureau. Which confirms the thesis of the time, for many in power: "after us, even a flood"

[Greenwood]

I am surprised that the Chinese could not (or did not try) to buy Tu-22 or even Tu-160 bombers from us or Ukraine. Because of this, they still have the rest in this direction (they fly on copies of the ancient Tu-16).

[Pavel57]

Not on copies, but on a modern modification, quite sufficient as a carrier for cruise missiles.

[The Siberian barber]

The miscalculation is undoubted))

[swzero]

I think the states would not be allowed to sell strategists.

[Umalta]

The USA did not give, they made sure that those Tu-160s that remained in this formation, which was called a country by misunderstanding, were all cut into scrap metal.

[Umalta]

And what gentlemen are negative, this is a real fact !!!

[Dikson]

You forgot to remind about the space industry .. Manned Chinese cosmonautics - all stupidly bought and stolen from Russia ..

[Tomich3]

"Thanks to the Chinese scientists and engineers." A-ha-ha)))

[swzero]

you might think to copy - a simple task. Over there with our Tu-4 tormented. A very difficult engineering task in the absence of documentation. It’s not enough to understand the design of the same B-29 turbocharger - it’s also necessary to repeat the materials or select analogues without which it will not work.

[Tomich3]

Who's talking about copying? They just bought everything. Take, for example, their alleged fifth-generation fighter, which was blinded from ours and the American. Does he have a normal engine? No. Yes, and the materials are a big question. The fact that they rolled it out after the American and ours says a lot. We have entire institutes since the USSR have been working on various alloys for decades, and "brilliant" Chinese scientists and engineers have done everything in a couple of years)).

[swzero]

our brilliant scientists also started by copying and purchasing documentation at 30-40. And later, the Amers did not hesitate to copy, the same air-to-air missiles or processors. This is the only way to catch up quickly - first, copy, then based on the experience we do.

[Tomich3]

I repeat again, this is not about copying, but about buying technology.

[swzero]

we also bought technologies: gas-a / m, BT-2, T-26. All aircraft engines - m25, m100, m-17, Li-2 aircraft. All tank building and
engine building, we started with the purchase of technology. The Chinese are going the same way.

[Lexus]

“Thank you to Ukraine”: the Chinese thank Kiev for the transfer of military technology

As in that joke: "Seer gut, Voldemar, seer gut ..."

[Avior]

"Seer gut, Voldemar, seer gut.

This is the Chinese say for the sale of the latest Su-35 and S-400, but not to Kiev.
Interestingly, will they also sell the Su-57 to China?

[The Siberian barber]

Do you doubt it?)) In such cases, personal interests are always present, to one degree or another)

[Lexus]

If you read my other comments, you will see that I always oppose the frantic sale of the most advanced weapons and the transfer of sensitive technologies abroad, for which my comments are vehemently minus, and some are deleted by the site administration.

[energoteknolog]

"Voldemar, seer gut", hinting at the guarantor?

[Vadim T.]

Selling Soviet technology for a pittance is the stupidest option possible. And this, I want to emphasize, was not done by some upstarts, but by experienced politicians like Kravchuk and Kuchma, who made a dizzying career in the USSR. In fact, they turned out to be crooks and double-dealing, who have nothing sacred. Instead of agreeing to place military orders at their enterprises and provide people with jobs for decades, they destroyed the military-industrial complex, and with it all related industries. Only those who survived close cooperation ties with Russian enterprises survived. But after 2014, their turn came. After the actual bankruptcy of the corporation "Antonov" and "Motor Sich", many specialists, along with the best practices, ended up in China. Thus, China received not only military technology, but also minimized the gap with the leading world powers. And Ukraine has only to sell the famous black soil - and go around the world with an outstretched hand. Very soon.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vadim T.

The sale of Soviet technology for pennies is the stupidest of all possible options.

This was provided for by Project Ukraine. Everything happens as written and in the same sequence.

[Pavel57]

In the context of the loss of the Cold War and the collapse of the USSR, Soviet technology often became simply a commodity for sale.

[faterdom]

Eun joins, and increases the range and accuracy of his missiles.

[Tank jacket]

Thanks should also say North Korea and Iran.

[Mouse]

so the people of Krai are happy to sell themselves .... and to sell everyone around and betray, for which, thanks? bought for a broken penny let them rejoice ....

[Tank jacket]

I agree with you ... "They sweep their tongue like they wave a broom" (c).

[Mouse]

If during their work hahly were not needed, they would not say a word with them ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Chubaty, they’ll sell their mother’s penny, not just an aircraft carrier.

[Antares]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Chubaty, for a penny, they’ll sell their mother, not just an aircraft carrier

very strange, but Ukraine sold a semi-finished product (due to impossibility to complete) the housing in China.
Then dear commentators who so generously supplied Ukraine and Ukrainians with the nicknames of all the merchants of the Motherland and technology - do not tell me who sold the rest of the aircraft carrier ships of the USSR-RF?
Ukraine? RB?
How easy it is to blame Ukraine and not notice that they themselves have sold and are still selling critical products / technologies / aircraft carriers.
But Ukraine is scolding this sacred. Only Ukraine and Ukrainians can do that. But they themselves cannot pull out their log in the eye.
Always surprised by the readiness to scold the neighbors, and to be in white and make big eyes and throw the blame on the 90 now on Yeltsin ...
I’m sure that this post will be zipped, well, because to admit that they themselves have sold many times more than that Ukraine to China (and still are selling it) is difficult. Hurray patriots need a sacrifice. And the Russian Federation is always Ukraine.

[Vadim237]

These aircraft-carrying cruisers were sold to India, China - the first was upgraded under deck MiGs to the second for scrap, one in service remained one as a museum of the Soviet Navy.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Antares

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Chubaty, for a penny, they’ll sell their mother, not just an aircraft carrier

very strange, but Ukraine sold a semi-finished product (due to impossibility to complete) the housing in China.
Then dear commentators who so generously supplied Ukraine and Ukrainians with the nicknames of all the merchants of the Motherland and technology - do not tell me who sold the rest of the aircraft carrier ships of the USSR-RF?
Ukraine? RB?
How easy it is to blame Ukraine and not notice that they themselves have sold and are still selling critical products / technologies / aircraft carriers.
But Ukraine is scolding this sacred. Only Ukraine and Ukrainians can do that. But they themselves cannot pull out their log in the eye.
Always surprised by the readiness to scold the neighbors, and to be in white and make big eyes and throw the blame on the 90 now on Yeltsin ...
I’m sure that this post will be zipped, well, because to admit that they themselves have sold many times more than that Ukraine to China (and still are selling it) is difficult. Hurray patriots need a sacrifice. And the Russian Federation is always Ukraine.

No, why, it's all about the case. I put a plus. They pounced on Ukraine here because it didn’t do it and doesn’t want to draw conclusions like the Russian Federation after the 90's.

[Mavrikiy]

Experts, picking up information, add that one of these technologies has become one that is associated with the creation of carrier-based fighters. At the same time, cheers and patriots in the PRC believe that thanks to Ukraine are superfluous, and Chinese scientists and engineers need to be thanked.

The monkey king cannot create anything, for he king... And Ukraine has sold or some of its "business people" have sold strategic and space missiles, the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

Brazil, by the way, is now selling an aircraft carrier with French technology for 1 million dollars,

And why not Ukraine to buy this aircraft carrier. I would immediately become one country on the Black Sea with an aircraft carrier, so much for it.

[Mouse]

in the end, almost all of the important ones were passed on to us (China).

handed over ... sold ... the letters seem to be almost the same, not the essence ... but the point is that China did not have to strain ... to arrange delights, create, steal ... bought for a little bit, well they are now home and not to thank? I would like to ask the Ukrainians ... are they not cheap though? thirty pieces of silver "suit?

[Dikson]

Russia has sold no less than China .. And is selling .. Including territories .. There is nothing to rejoice ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pavel57

Soviet technology often became just a commodity for sale.

If the goods are sold, or even for a song, or simply thrown away in the trash.

[Strashila]

"Thank you Ukraine: the Chinese thank Kiev for the transfer of military technologies," so sorry, by and large, there was nothing Ukrainian, either the legacy of the USSR or the development of Russia for the joint production of the same engines for helicopters.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Greenwood

buy Tu-22 or even Tu-160 bombers from us or Ukraine

As far as I remember, Ukrainians cut or returned TU-160 to Russia, but it’s hard to say about TU-22, rather, the Chinese simply didn’t realize that the collapse was like a waterfall.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Oh, this help to China will come to us sideways both from Ukraine and from our side.

[Ru_Na]

Ukrainians will not only sell military technology, but also sell the country, and even in w ... they will give it if they pay well for it!

[Ugolek]

The good news is that there is nothing else to take, which means that the period of the funnel-shaped growth of China's technological "breakthrough" has passed. Then there will be a routine, since there is nowhere else to take drawings for a gift, you will have to develop it yourself and then it turns out that these are years, or even decades. The freebie period is over.

[Avior]

You lagged behind life. Right now, there is a transfer of Soviet technologies on aircraft engines for helicopters, transport aircraft, short-range ones for cruise missiles, to training, light attack aircraft and fighters and others.
Thanks, while the Americans slow down ...

[Klingon]

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Quote: Pessimist22

So they sold not only military technology, but also sold their country.

I remember Peter established the order of Judah for Mazepa.

By the way, also Ukrainian steering.

Earlier, Ivan the Terrible ordered * all wretched and holy fools to be sent to the outskirts of Galicia, where they fools and place * probably did so, that’s where everything went

[energoteknolog]

Have you been studying Zadornov history for a long time? He is also a historian, as well as a student.

[Desdecado]

There is nothing to gloat over! Having lost, lost Ukraine, we lost an integral part of ourselves and significantly strengthened our sworn friends.

[Avior]

Why don’t you write, whose clever head sold to China not only the Su-27, and much more, but even the latest Su-35s, s-400 and so on, actually raised the military aircraft industry in China.
Despite the fact that Ukraine is neither hot nor cold from China, China is not near Ukraine, but almost on the other side of the planet.
This cannot be said of Russia, which is strengthening China with both Soviet and non-Soviet technologies.
But for some reason they write about Ukraine every day.

[Umalta]

The sale of weapons, not the sale of technology, is the truth. India is always trying to demand that by selling a batch of weapons create production on its territory. Copying some things is simply not possible. But Kraina sells technology.

[Avior]

Come on. Ukraine has nothing to do with the emergence of modern combat Chinese aviation, nor would it have such technologies in the USSR.
But Russia just sold the technology, not the product, in the form of a license to manufacture the Su-27 in China and the engine for it, from where the legs of modern Chinese combat aircraft grow.
But someone really doesn’t want to remember this, they’ll load the pieces of iron sold by Ukraine.
But on Varyag no technology was just being sold, unlike the su-27

[Umalta]

To you to list what design bureaus and production were in Ukraine or you deign to consider everyone as idiots ?!

[Avior]

List those of them who produced combat fighters and engines for them, and do not forget to specify how many fighters were specifically produced in Ukraine.
And what was released! In Ukraine, I know without you.

[Umalta]

And yet, the Su-27 was created as a fighter for gaining dominance in the sky, the F-16 is the same age, at the moment they are in service, but neither of them is already far from the best model.

[Avior]

It was about the Soviet legacy.
And at the moment, the Chinese, based on the Soviet technologies transferred by Russia at one time to the Su-27, have gone ahead .....

[Umalta]

Let them go, we did not transfer technology in materials science to them, and without this you won’t create anything. You are probably quite far from this area.

[petrol cutter]

“Thank you to Ukraine”: the Chinese thank Kiev for the transfer of military technology
She’s not at all. Contact.

[Mouse]

still sold everything .... no more ... call me your dumb ...

[petrol cutter]

Well, what to do? ... The freedom-loving country was stupidly nothing to live on (they also need to be understood). In the light of such a situation, as anyone can begin to spin.
I, too, until the fourteenth year, spinning as I could. In Russia . And where else?! .. Bo was- the edge is dreary in Nenko Ukraine.
I must say, mother Russia, then, too, was not very welcoming to those who wanted to become citizens.

[Mouse]

Vitaly, you are deeply sympathetic to me ... and I want to believe that, while you were spinning, you did not betray anyone and did not sell ....
it’s just that sometimes you need to think about a freedom-loving country before it breaks all its old ties, hoping to have something that is seductive, promised, and as it turned out, ephemeral happiness ....

[petrol cutter]

Thank you for your kind words. To betray is not our methods. That being said, immediately NO.
Although the people may have an opinion, what about Ukraine?
I’ll answer right away. I never considered myself a Ukrainian. And even upon receipt of a passport (then Soviet), the nationality indicated is Russian. Although in fact 50/50.
Russia has always been closer to me. No matter what.

[awg75]

remember the names of these scum people. when ukrovermaht collapses, they must sit at least 40 years.

[Adimius38]

Yes, Ukraine has leaked most of the Soviet developments to China, which undoubtedly helped China to make a huge leap in the field of armaments.

[Ali Kokand]

It was infa that Russia handed over to China all the technologies on the SPRN, which is the last that they did not sell (or maybe already) a secret from partners, because of the most important factor in the country's security. Missile Attack Warning System. And you are worrying about pre-Aviation carriers here.

[Ugolek]

Right now, there is a transfer of Soviet technologies on aircraft engines for helicopters, transport aircraft, short-range ones for cruise missiles, to training, light attack aircraft and fighters and others.
Thanks, while the Americans slow down ...

Can I get more details? What does "transmission in progress" mean? I know that there are a number of joint projects, this is completely different. If this is what you mean, then you don’t need to juggle so easily and primitively with information that you do not fully represent and taken out of context.

[Ugolek]

And it’s not clear who the Americans are slowing down? What nonsense are you writing? Whom did the Americans slow down? RF? The Russian Federation that he wants and to whom he wants to sell without problems. The latest example of the S-400 to Turkey. And who did the Americans slow down there ??

[Ugolek]

Why don’t you write, whose clever head sold to China not only the Su-27, and much more, but even the latest Su-35s, s-400 and so on, actually raised the military aircraft industry in China.

In the case of the Su-35 and S-400, the documentation was not transmitted, so what's the fear? Well, let them disassemble, copy, spend time ... They sold the goods, not technology.

[Avior]

But Ukraine sold a bare piece of iron for a hotel, and not a finished product, and even more so some kind of technology.
Su-27 incidentally, sold just with technology

[Avior]

Selling Motor Sich to the Chinese

[Old Horseradish]

Zombies together rushed to gnaw Ukraine. And how many Russia has sold the most modern weapons to China? The newest fighters, the newest aircraft, anti-aircraft systems, etc.
Not very distant Slavs, as always, pitted among themselves. To the delight of China, America. Zombies, when do you start to turn on your brains? Well, these are the pictures that you forgot.

Well, go on fooling your friends from Beijing on, sing the hosage to the oligarchy, vilify the Ukrainians and wait for the Chinese to visit China along with the Chinese army forever.

[ibn.shamai]

Already not relevant. Right now, every man for himself!

[Umalta]

Nobody is against the Ukrainians, everything is against banderlogs, you see, things are different.

[Ros 56]

Interestingly, did any of the psychologists do a serious analysis of the reasons for such behavior of hohlodyatly and their predecessors such as Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin? What did you achieve and what did you achieve in the end, except for the collapse of the Union? What is the ultimate goal? After all, if it happens, I won’t be sorry for them and I don’t think others will. After all, the country where our best years passed has been stolen from us for half our lives.

[ibn.shamai]

The Chinese are trolling Americans!

[Mentat]

Quote: Avior

Experts, picking up information, add that one of these technologies has become one that is associated with the creation of carrier-based fighters.

It remains to understand what kind of technology this was in Ukraine?
Brazil, by the way, is now selling an aircraft carrier with French technology for $ 1 million, 20 times cheaper than Ukraine.

Does Brazil have design documentation for this aircraft carrier? This is what the article is about, the sale of documentation, technologies, and not just a specific product on the construction of which is not boom-boom.

[Avior]

They sold the bare hull without any documentation with the peculiarities of shipbuilding technology, they didn’t sell any technology, the Chinese bought it for a floating hotel, and not for completion as an aircraft carrier.
And this was not the first 1143 sold to China.

[Mentat]

Quote: Old Horseradish

Zombies together rushed to gnaw Ukraine. And how many Russia has sold the most modern weapons to China? The newest fighters, the newest aircraft, anti-aircraft systems, etc.
Not very distant Slavs, as always, pitted among themselves. To the delight of China, America. Zombies, when do you start to turn on your brains? Well, these are the pictures that you forgot.

Well, go on fooling your friends from Beijing on, sing the hosage to the oligarchy, vilify the Ukrainians and wait for the Chinese to visit China along with the Chinese army forever.

Russia sells final products to China, not technology. What does the oligarchy and some “hosans” have to do with the specific facts mentioned by the Chinese? All Ukrainians (although I believe that this is an artificial nation, because “Ukrainians” are Russians who were imposed on an artificially created language) really should not be reproached, and keep your nonsense about the Chinese army attacking Russia.

[Incvizitor]

It's strange, I thought everything had already been sold, or else the dad announced "cooperation in the space industry," then the Chinese are pulling out, the Soviet invaders have given a big backlog, they still cannot take it away.

[comradChe]

Well done! Now it will be harder for Russia to blame the transfer of technology to China.

[Perey ra]

Moskalska vata rages in the comments))))) A rabid Sabaka barks with bleeding ulcers, but the caravan is coming! Ukraine is developing, and the Russians are rotting in their swamp. Muscovite nits, what are they vile and vile .... Long live Belarus!

[tolmachiev51]

- "It was she, the former republic of the Soviet Union, having inherited many advanced military technologies from the USSR, in the end, almost all the important of them transferred to us (China)." - what do you mean "passed"? call a spade a spade "Sold" all the potheads for next to nothing. like that aircraft carrier.

[Naughty]

At the same time, cheers and patriots in the PRC believe that thanks to Ukraine are superfluous, and Chinese scientists and engineers need to be thanked.

It's not over yet))))) They will still have time to "thank" Ukraine for the bullshit they sold them. well done Ukrainians Grandmother cut down And then let the Chinese themselves "bite their elbows")))))

[DimerVladimer]

As if the sale of Tavkr Kiev did not give the PRC technology?

I was in Kiev - everything that was interesting for warships - was filmed and studied.
For example, electric motors of large dimension for drives,

The design helps to understand the organizational structure of flight control and the organization of services on an aircraft carrier cruiser.

Hundreds of units and pieces of equipment that can be mastered in production by reverse engineering (copying) and used for the construction of larger ships.
Of course, the sale of such ships is a detriment to technology.