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“Thank you to Ukraine”: the Chinese thank Kiev for the transfer of military technology

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The Chinese media published material that led to a wide expert and public discussion, primarily in the PRC itself. Discussion is already indicated by the name of the material that the Chinese press is replicating. It sounds as follows: “Thanks to Ukraine. For over 20 years, this country has transferred so many basic military technologies to China. ”




The material notes that in recent years, the military industry of the PRC has seriously developed. In particular, they build their own aircraft carriers, new generation fighters, submarines, and create missiles, including cruise missiles.

From an article in Sohu:

We can say that the development of armaments, which the West spent from 50 to 100 years in China took place in about three decades. And these achievements of the military industry are inseparable from such a country as Ukraine. It was she, the former republic of the Soviet Union, who inherited many advanced military technologies from the USSR, and ultimately transferred almost all of the important ones to us (China).

In particular, an example is given of the development of tank building in the PRC after Ukraine transfers several technologies tanksincluding the T-80. It is also reminded that Ukraine at one time sold China an aircraft carrier, today known as Liaoning.

From the material:

China managed to buy an aircraft carrier for only 20 million dollars. But there were not only technologies for the construction of an aircraft carrier as such, but also many other, truly key, military technologies.

Experts, picking up information, add that one of these technologies has become one that is associated with the creation of carrier-based fighters. At the same time, cheers and patriots in the PRC believe that thanks to Ukraine are superfluous, and Chinese scientists and engineers need to be thanked.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 5 October 2019 14: 00
    +61
    So they sold not only military technology, but also sold their country.
    1. Troll
      Troll 5 October 2019 14: 21
      +58
      No, it was not they who sold the country; the hunchbacked country was sold. Ukrainians are just scavengers, they sold out what they found and picked up on the ruins of the USSR
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 5 October 2019 14: 29
        +55
        A fictional nation, based on the idea of ​​betrayal (see their heroes: Vygovsky, Mazepa, Grushevsky. Petlyura, Bandera, and many others), can not do otherwise.
        - Ponase, will you be a kid when you become a hetman?
        - That I’m stealing a hundred hryvnias and ticking.
        There is no master overseas will not discern them. So missile technologies from UMZ, engines from Motor Sich and Dawns for pennies were transferred. Technologies for the production of aircraft carriers together with an aircraft carrier for 20 million? What about this? They generally handed out drawings of the military transport An-70 to all interested. Ukraine sells weapons and technology not only to China, but also to North Korea, to all separatists and terrorists around the world. But supposedly this was annoyed by the damned Muscovites. The fact that they themselves were left without pants at the same time does not bother them. They are bursting with mriy, that now for this Omeriga will forever give them for nothing much more than they were given to Muscovites.
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 5 October 2019 14: 47
          +11
          Nikolai S, it’s in their blood to steal, deceive, betray ... Not of course, of all, but of an overwhelming majority. Moreover, such acts are not considered vile.
          1. krot
            krot 5 October 2019 15: 57
            +1
            Thanks to our brothers who betrayed us! And they continue to sell this "product" who will pay more. The whole essence of the Sumerians. Salo Ukraine ..!
            1. Baikonur
              Baikonur 5 October 2019 19: 57
              -1
              Quote: krot
              Thanks to our brothers who betrayed us! And they continue to sell this "product" who will pay more. All essence ...-

              - they are not my brother ... (to us) (film "Brother")
              As they (almost all) also speak (consider).
              1. intuzazist
                intuzazist 6 October 2019 16: 19
                +2
                And I think so ... ...
      2. NordOst16
        NordOst16 5 October 2019 14: 53
        +6
        What does everyone around want to blame themselves? The USSR destroyed not only Gorbachev, but also the citizens of the USSR themselves, for faith in the state disappeared and they wanted changes.
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        2. poquello
          poquello 5 October 2019 17: 03
          -4
          Quote: NordOst16
          What does everyone around want to blame themselves? The USSR destroyed not only Gorbachev, but also the citizens of the USSR themselves, for faith in the state disappeared and they wanted changes.

          and the USSR is a given such a religion? to believe, not to believe, there were results in the affairs of the CPSU
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 5 October 2019 17: 42
            +1
            Well, by faith, I meant the attitude of citizens to the management and politics of the state
            1. zombirusrev
              zombirusrev 8 October 2019 14: 57
              0
              All citizens became petty bourgeois and lazy. We don’t want to go to party meetings, trade unionists, "but what for" ... they waited for 300 varieties of sausages and the invisible hand of the market that would stuff all this sausage with beer into their mouths ... without leaving the sofa in front of the TV set. So they waited. And the hucksters and cunning rogues did not wait, they made the state for themselves, for their material needs. So they got their way. Why cry now. Themselves are to blame for everything. Nobody gives rights just like that .... sometimes they fight for them very cruelly. Ukrainian rogues are the upper part of the food chain, they will sell everything and they will wash off to Canada they do not care about the people from the word "Call!" (C)
        3. Dikson
          Dikson 5 October 2019 18: 09
          +15
          To shake off the blame? How interesting is that? In Moscow everything was decided .. And now it is being decided. The republics under the USSR, and now the regions, do they decide a lot? All the money, all orders and decisions come from Moscow .. I remember watching the shooting of the White House .. on TV .. How Rutskoi shouted on the air: America! Europe! we are being killed here! And the people in the country didn’t understand a damn what was happening there .. "Boris, you are wrong .." People really believed in the Party, in the government and did not understand that they were betrayed. Betrayed and sold .. Ruined everything? And what about the referendum? After all, there was a referendum, the results of which the authorities simply decided not to pay attention to .. The people then voted against the collapse of the USSR .. But the first secretaries decided to be princes and finally grab it in the open ..
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 5 October 2019 20: 43
            +4
            And where were the vaunted intelligence agencies? Where is the army? Where was the active struggle of citizens with the new government? Everyone sat quietly in front of the TV instead of actively fighting the new government. And since it was not like everyone didn’t give a damn when the Soviets were built, they met much more resistance than the new authorities during the collapse of the USSR.
          2. poquello
            poquello 5 October 2019 21: 13
            0
            Quote: Dikson
            and now - the regions, do they decide a lot? All money, all orders and decisions come from Moscow ..

            don’t tell my slippers, right now in our courtyard an elite high-rise building is being built right in the courtyard of an apartment building, it’s under some kind of law prohibiting point buildings, the arrow of a crane above the playground goes, I’ve directly believed you that from Moscow, it’s purely with the connivance of local authorities
          3. Umalta
            Umalta 6 October 2019 00: 20
            +1
            I agree. Then these princes actively cultivated the sprouts of nationalism so that the people, God forbid, would try to unite and the West and money and methods would help them, buy bundles of the elite, the heights of the intelligentsia, a perverse story was taught, where the Russian people are a colonizer, a drunkard and a slacker, which he lived at the expense of the outskirts and this lasted for almost 30 years and continues now. And young people come to us to work, but they are already completely alien, not remembering the Soviet era, and they are fleeing from the devastation that the princes arranged, plundered and sold everything.
          4. 1536
            1536 6 October 2019 14: 02
            0
            In the media, information flashed about how several hundred (!) Cottage villages are abandoned in the Moscow region. An eerie sight - the skeletons of brick houses, overgrown with weeds, broken roads. They say that now you can only play paintball there, which is happening. Who built them, who was going to live in them? Is it not the party-Komsomol "princelings" with their henchmen and servants?
            So they grabbed something, but it didn't go any further, only a few became successful businessmen, for the most part they went abroad, and some went to the next world. This is the tragedy that the country disintegrated quietly and peacefully, as if a person rested in the Bose, but then the division of his inheritance began. And it was not those who were smarter, more educated and better in their moral and ethical or strong-willed qualities who received it, but those who are more unprincipled and more impudent than others. Moreover, this happened on the territory of the entire USSR. As a result, many riches, including once advanced technologies, are pumped overseas, fall into the hands of foreign capitalists, and those "cottages" will not be built just like that, they have accepted a salary of 50 thousand USD to work out in full. And their "blue dream" is like eating Russia now, because they have already devoured Ukraine.
      3. Astronaut
        Astronaut 5 October 2019 23: 40
        -2
        Where x about x about l passed - the Jew has nothing to do (s) laughing
    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 5 October 2019 14: 27
      -2
      Quote: Pessimist22
      So they sold not only military technology, but also sold their country.

      They have not yet sold the country. They are only preparing to sell land to foreigners.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 5 October 2019 14: 30
      +7
      Quote: Pessimist22
      So they sold not only military technology, but also sold their country.

      I remember Peter established the order of Judah for Mazepa.

      By the way, also Ukrainian steering.
      1. Antares
        Antares 5 October 2019 15: 01
        -2
        Quote: NEXUS
        By the way, also Ukrainian steering.

        like us were not then, all were Russian.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 5 October 2019 15: 21
          +2
          No, not like. It just wasn’t .. yes
        2. Prisoner
          Prisoner 5 October 2019 17: 55
          -1
          No. Once the order of Judah appeared, then for sure there were.
        3. Cottodraton
          Cottodraton 5 October 2019 18: 21
          0
          This is when you need something - you are Russians, but somehow all of you become proud nationalities whom the Russians "tortured" ... Very, by the way, it is convenient, as in that proverb - "And eat a fish and ... etc.
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        5. Umalta
          Umalta 6 October 2019 00: 25
          -1
          Antares
          Well, how is your hero the same descendant of the diggers of the Black Sea.
        6. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 6 October 2019 15: 14
          0
          Quote: Antares
          like us were not then, all were Russian.

          malorosy were
    4. svp67
      svp67 5 October 2019 15: 59
      0
      Quote: Pessimist22
      So they sold not only military technology, but also sold their country.

      Soviet cartoons didn’t send them for the future ..
    5. iouris
      iouris 5 October 2019 16: 34
      0
      Quote: Pessimist22
      they sold not only military technology, but they also sold their country.

      Let's be objective: "they" are "we" too. Our (common) country went to spare parts.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 5 October 2019 17: 58
        -1
        So we hope that they will dry out. Although Bandera in the head of health does not add.
    6. RUSS
      RUSS 5 October 2019 17: 48
      +2
      Quote: Pessimist22
      So they sold not only military technology, but also sold their country.

      And how many airborne cruisers did we sell to China and South Korea?
      1. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton 5 October 2019 18: 23
        -3
        How much, YOU, sold?
      2. Grits
        Grits 6 October 2019 02: 50
        +2
        Quote: RUSS
        And how many airborne cruisers did we sell to China and South Korea?

        Two. Minsk and Novorossiysk. Once I saw them live
    7. Prisoner
      Prisoner 5 October 2019 17: 53
      -1
      It seems that they are already being squeezed out of the sale of their Nenko by other sellers, more impressive. what They are desovetsiziruyutsya! And the fact that the Soviets were those threads that all these rags passed into one patchwork quilt, then they added to Little Russia, they did not think. Not a feeble fool was dumped by neighbors, and back in the 90s.
    8. venik
      venik 5 October 2019 22: 26
      +5
      Quote: Pessimist22
      So they sold not only military technology, but also sold their country.

      ==========
      If only YOUR technologies were sold .... So God bless them! They sold what was NOT designed by them! Hundreds of factories and design bureaus worked on the same aircraft carrier .....
      And the cruiser "Admiral Lobov" - well on KOI, I ask, he asked them? All the same, after all, they did not finish building - and rotted at the wall of the plant! But no, they clung to him with a "stranglehold" - needed - not needed ... Maybe "in the household will fit" .... That's really "kurkulskaya"nature .....
    9. energoteknolog
      energoteknolog 6 October 2019 00: 32
      0
      Yeah, how are you.
  2. Greenwood
    Greenwood 5 October 2019 14: 01
    +3
    In spite of the damned Muscovites, it’s not a pity to sell my mother’s own. Not like some kind of aircraft carrier or tanks. fool
    1. energoteknolog
      energoteknolog 6 October 2019 00: 46
      +1
      Well, yes, taiga is not an aircraft carrier, it can be sold wholesale and retail.
    2. Grits
      Grits 6 October 2019 02: 55
      +1
      Quote: Greenwood
      Not like some kind of aircraft carrier or tanks.

      And you remember Minsk with Novorossiysk on the roads near Texas. Why are we better? He gets sick.
  3. poquello
    poquello 5 October 2019 14: 01
    -2
    for Ukraine, the saying "Give the fool a glass member, he, bam, and about the corner" is very suitable.
  4. YOUR
    YOUR 5 October 2019 14: 02
    +2
    All for sale. Before they were sold until in the late 90s they had cops with teaching staff, because there were no cartridges for AKSU74. Successfully bargained.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 October 2019 14: 21
      +11
      Quote: YOUR
      Before they were sold before the end of 90’s, they had cops with teaching staff,

      I liked it more when the Ukrainian peacekeeping battalion of the UN forces was stationed in Yugoslavia, and when it was withdrawn, they only had 16 SKS carbines left, and the rest somewhere evaporated (auto-armored vehicles too). But the lads are able to do business.
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 5 October 2019 15: 44
        0
        Yes, what a business. They just wanted to eat. Business procurement did. The rest for food is all that can be changed.
      2. energoteknolog
        energoteknolog 6 October 2019 00: 14
        -2
        Can you confirm your words? Well, at least something.
    2. energoteknolog
      energoteknolog 6 October 2019 00: 09
      -1
      What are you talking about? Wasn’t, wasn’t, and suddenly in the Donbass mine millions of pieces were discovered, or what? And how does the AKSU74 cartridge differ from the AK74?
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 6 October 2019 02: 48
        +1
        The fact that your cops, as in other matters, and ours are armed mainly with such assault rifles. And to confirm written only information from the Internet. No more. As you elegantly put it in the Donbass mine is a cartridge factory - Lugansk cartridge factory. Which works in three shifts. Donbass is a fairly rich region, there are raw materials for the operation of the plant.
      2. Grits
        Grits 6 October 2019 02: 58
        0
        Quote: energoteknolog
        And how does the AKSU74 cartridge differ from the AK74?

        The fact that the cartridge for the AKSU approached the cop automatic. And the cartridge for AK47 to the army. wink It’s just that the police were able to do business a little better
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 October 2019 14: 04
    +8
    And most importantly, for pennies! nothing actually earned for it. Neither the country nor the sellers laughing
    Reminds me of a deal from the 90s. To steal a tank of alcohol, sell it "at a discount", and drink the money!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 October 2019 14: 23
      -3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And most importantly, for pennies! nothing actually earned for it.

      Well, as you do not understand, the main thing is not how much to sell and to whom, but the main thing is the sale process itself.
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      1. Grits
        Grits 6 October 2019 03: 04
        +1
        Quote: energoteknolog
        What did you earn for Admiral Gorshkov? In general, I give the Indians for free

        I don’t want to dig to find how much they shoved the Indians for "Gorshkov", but certainly not for 25 million American hryvnias. But I know that we have made money on it - the experience of transforming the cruiser "Gorshkov" into the aircraft carrier "Vikrimaditya". Experience not only of the enterprise, but also of all workers and engineers who worked there, design bureaus and other organizations. And it costs a lot. After all, we have not built such ships before and have not been repaired - all these competencies were in Ukraine.
        I myself worked at the NSR in Severodvinsk at that time, so I know what I'm talking about.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 6 October 2019 16: 22
          +1
          Quote: Gritsa
          I don't want to dig to find for how much they shoved the Indians "Gorshkov",

          at least 3 billion
  6. Avior
    Avior 5 October 2019 14: 04
    +6
    Experts, picking up information, add that one of these technologies has become one that is associated with the creation of carrier-based fighters.

    It remains to understand what kind of technology this was in Ukraine?
    Brazil, by the way, is now selling an aircraft carrier with French technology for $ 1 million, 20 times cheaper than Ukraine.
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 5 October 2019 14: 15
      +1
      Do you remember the year of "birth" of the Brazilian?
      1. Avior
        Avior 5 October 2019 14: 28
        -2
        A-Varyag wasn’t born at all, which doesn’t stop someone from shouting that they sold for only 20 million
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 5 October 2019 14: 17
      -1
      So it is ancient as a threshing mammoth. But Ukraine sold unfinished, essentially new.
      1. Avior
        Avior 5 October 2019 14: 29
        +1
        In fact, they sold a set of scrap metal that no one except the Chinese wanted to take.
        This is the Chinese brought to mind.
        Aircraft carrier, at the price of scrap metal, as you can see, it costs 1 million ....
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 5 October 2019 16: 15
          -1
          Quote: Avior
          In fact, they sold a set of scrap metal that no one except the Chinese wanted to take.

          The aircraft carrier Varyag was already afloat, 70% built, so there is no need to talk about metal. Invest 30% of the completion and get 500 million. This is a normal business, and selling for 25 million is already a bazaar.
          1. Avior
            Avior 5 October 2019 16: 41
            +1
            Gorshkov was at Float; he was given to India for free.
            And Varyag had only a body, a bare piece of iron, which no one needed in either the form or in the completed building.
            The only one who needed to buy it was Russia. But did not buy.
            None of the ships of Project 1143 were sold more expensively than the empty hull of the Varyag.
            Kiev - 1.6 million, Novorossiysk - 4 million, Minsk - 4.5 million, Gorshkov - the ship itself was given to India for free, they paid only for repairs.
            But all ears buzzed by the sale of the body of the Varangian, which no one wanted to buy. Tired of it already.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 5 October 2019 16: 59
              -3
              Quote: Avior
              And Varyag had only a body - a bare piece of iron, which no one needed in either the form or in the completed

              Since 1988 years afloat.
              1. Avior
                Avior 5 October 2019 17: 03
                +1
                Namely, the bare piece of iron is afloat.
                Without any hope of completion, at about the same time, Russia was actively getting rid of other Project 1143 ships, it didn’t make any sense to finish the Varyag, and keeping it rotting against the wall was even less.
                Naturally sold to the one who paid.
              2. Avior
                Avior 5 October 2019 17: 21
                +5
                Here is the hull afloat being pulled to China

                That's what it looked like near Varangian at the time of sale to China.

                but the fact that the Chinese from it is a fully-fledged ship, albeit a training one, sparing no effort and money, were able to do so, it must be honestly recognized as a merit of the Chinese themselves
            2. Engineer
              Engineer 7 October 2019 12: 34
              0
              Checked the sale prices of aircraft carriers. It all fits together
              The facts are murderous.
              It’s not for us to poke a finger at our neighbors.
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    3. Serg koma
      Serg koma 5 October 2019 14: 32
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      sells an aircraft carrier with French technology for $ 1 million,

      Auction, the initial rate is $ 1,275 million. And a lot of $ must be invested in repairs ("in 2012 it suffered from a fire. As indicated, new repair work will last until 2026. As a result in 2017 they decided to get rid of him"), besides," Liaoning "(project 1143.6) was laid down in 1985, while the aircraft carrier" Foch "of the" Clemenceau "type was built for the French Navy since 1957. Probably they thought that it would be more expensive to dispose of
      1. Avior
        Avior 5 October 2019 15: 28
        +2
        The French sold it to Brazilians in a usable condition for 12 million.
        That is, it will not be more expensive with metal.
        Do you know how much Project 1143 ships sold for?
        Like Kiev, for example, for 1,6 million.
        But this sale to the Chinese of the Varyag’s hull, which was still not a ship near, all the ears buzzed.
    4. swzero
      swzero 5 October 2019 14: 45
      +3
      The documentation leaked from there and one of the samples of ship-drying drying prototype su-33 was washed out. The Chinese at this base made their version of the carrier-based fighter.
      1. figwam
        figwam 5 October 2019 21: 06
        +1
        Yes, the Chinese wanted to buy a pair of Su-33s in Russia, but we refused, after which the Ukrainians sold them a prototype T-10K, especially the Chinese were interested in a folding wing and reinforced landing gear, which was copied from our aircraft, as well as much more.
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 October 2019 15: 48
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      Brazil, by the way, is now selling an aircraft carrier with French technology for 1 million dollars,

      Ukraine can buy it and become the only country with an aircraft carrier on the Black Sea.
  7. eagle owl
    eagle owl 5 October 2019 14: 11
    +6
    the former republic of the Soviet Union, having inherited many advanced military technologies from the USSR, in the end, almost all of the important ones were passed on to us

    Uh ma-at ... It’s scary to imagine that after this phrase blazes in Kiev laughing
    First, they recalled that they are not a country, but only a "former republic of the USSR"
    Secondly, in plain text - they themselves did not do nichrome, they only inherited it.
    Thirdly, what they inherited - they just ... fell, selling advanced technologies by stupidity
    love
    I demand to enter a smiley - "crying with delight" !!!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 October 2019 16: 58
      +1
      Quote: Uhu
      Uh ma-at ... It’s scary to imagine that after this phrase blazes in Kiev
      First, they recalled that they are not a country, but only a "former republic of the USSR"
      Secondly, in plain text - they themselves did not do anything, only inherited.

      You can make noise, you can jump, you can shout "Glory to Ukraine" and nothing will change, but everything that the Chinese said in plain text is true, and you can't take offense at yourself.
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    2. energoteknolog
      energoteknolog 6 October 2019 00: 24
      -4
      And what has the other "former republic of the USSR" produced? Or did she inherit it? And how many people in Russia have ... fallen in total?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 6 October 2019 14: 05
        +1
        Quote: energoteknolog
        And how many pros in Russia have ... fallen all?

        Maybe they overslept, but recovered, but you wake up everything, and it seems that you have completely fallen asleep.
  8. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 5 October 2019 14: 14
    +20
    I can imagine the smiles of VO readers in the direction of Ukraine) But, over the past quarter of a century, a lot has "flowed" from the Russian Federation, officially and "not so"
    As a vivid example: the story with the Yakovlev Design Bureau. Which confirms the thesis of the time, for many in power: "after us, even a flood"
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 5 October 2019 14: 18
      +3
      I am surprised that the Chinese could not (or did not try) to buy Tu-22 or even Tu-160 bombers from us or Ukraine. Because of this, they still have the rest in this direction (they fly on copies of the ancient Tu-16).
      1. Pavel57
        Pavel57 5 October 2019 14: 31
        +3
        Not on copies, but on a modern modification, quite sufficient as a carrier for cruise missiles.
      2. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 5 October 2019 14: 36
        +1
        The miscalculation is undoubted))
      3. swzero
        swzero 5 October 2019 14: 49
        +4
        I think the states would not be allowed to sell strategists.
      4. Umalta
        Umalta 6 October 2019 00: 43
        0
        The USA did not give, they made sure that those Tu-160s that remained in this formation, which was called a country by misunderstanding, were all cut into scrap metal.
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        2. Umalta
          Umalta 6 October 2019 03: 08
          +1
          And what gentlemen are negative, this is a real fact !!!
    2. Dikson
      Dikson 5 October 2019 18: 13
      +2
      You forgot to remind about the space industry .. Manned Chinese cosmonautics - all stupidly bought and stolen from Russia ..
  9. Tomich3
    Tomich3 5 October 2019 14: 16
    0
    "Thanks to the Chinese scientists and engineers." A-ha-ha)))
    1. swzero
      swzero 5 October 2019 14: 50
      +6
      you might think to copy - a simple task. Over there with our Tu-4 tormented. A very difficult engineering task in the absence of documentation. It’s not enough to understand the design of the same B-29 turbocharger - it’s also necessary to repeat the materials or select analogues without which it will not work.
      1. Tomich3
        Tomich3 5 October 2019 16: 43
        +1
        Who's talking about copying? They just bought everything. Take, for example, their alleged fifth-generation fighter, which was blinded from ours and the American. Does he have a normal engine? No. Yes, and the materials are a big question. The fact that they rolled it out after the American and ours says a lot. We have entire institutes since the USSR have been working on various alloys for decades, and "brilliant" Chinese scientists and engineers have done everything in a couple of years)).
        1. swzero
          swzero 5 October 2019 17: 25
          +5
          our brilliant scientists also started by copying and purchasing documentation at 30-40. And later, the Amers did not hesitate to copy, the same air-to-air missiles or processors. This is the only way to catch up quickly - first, copy, then based on the experience we do.
          1. Tomich3
            Tomich3 5 October 2019 19: 17
            0
            I repeat again, this is not about copying, but about buying technology.
            1. swzero
              swzero 5 October 2019 19: 46
              +5
              we also bought technologies: gas-a / m, BT-2, T-26. All aircraft engines - m25, m100, m-17, Li-2 aircraft. All tank building and
              engine building, we started with the purchase of technology. The Chinese are going the same way.
  10. Lexus
    Lexus 5 October 2019 14: 27
    +2
    “Thank you to Ukraine”: the Chinese thank Kiev for the transfer of military technology

    As in that joke: "Seer gut, Voldemar, seer gut ..."
    1. Avior
      Avior 5 October 2019 17: 25
      0
      "Seer gut, Voldemar, seer gut.

      This is the Chinese say for the sale of the latest Su-35 and S-400, but not to Kiev.
      Interestingly, will they also sell the Su-57 to China?
      1. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 5 October 2019 18: 00
        +2
        Do you doubt it?)) In such cases, personal interests are always present, to one degree or another)
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 5 October 2019 18: 21
        +2
        If you read my other comments, you will see that I always oppose the frantic sale of the most advanced weapons and the transfer of sensitive technologies abroad, for which my comments are vehemently minus, and some are deleted by the site administration.
    2. energoteknolog
      energoteknolog 6 October 2019 00: 26
      -2
      "Voldemar, seer gut", hinting at the guarantor? laughing
  11. Vadim T.
    Vadim T. 5 October 2019 14: 29
    +13
    Selling Soviet technology for a pittance is the stupidest option possible. And this, I want to emphasize, was not done by some upstarts, but by experienced politicians like Kravchuk and Kuchma, who made a dizzying career in the USSR. In fact, they turned out to be crooks and double-dealing, who have nothing sacred. Instead of agreeing to place military orders at their enterprises and provide people with jobs for decades, they destroyed the military-industrial complex, and with it all related industries. Only those who survived close cooperation ties with Russian enterprises survived. But after 2014, their turn came. After the actual bankruptcy of the corporation "Antonov" and "Motor Sich", many specialists, along with the best practices, ended up in China. Thus, China received not only military technology, but also minimized the gap with the leading world powers. And Ukraine has only to sell the famous black soil - and go around the world with an outstretched hand. Very soon.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 October 2019 14: 55
      +3
      Quote: Vadim T.
      The sale of Soviet technology for pennies is the stupidest of all possible options.

      This was provided for by Project Ukraine. Everything happens as written and in the same sequence.
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  12. Pavel57
    Pavel57 5 October 2019 14: 29
    +5
    In the context of the loss of the Cold War and the collapse of the USSR, Soviet technology often became simply a commodity for sale.
  13. faterdom
    faterdom 5 October 2019 14: 32
    +1
    Eun joins, and increases the range and accuracy of his missiles.
  14. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 5 October 2019 14: 32
    +1
    Thanks should also say North Korea and Iran.
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 5 October 2019 18: 18
      0
      so the people of Krai are happy to sell themselves .... and to sell everyone around and betray, for which, thanks? bought for a broken penny let them rejoice ....
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 5 October 2019 18: 53
        0
        I agree with you ... "They sweep their tongue like they wave a broom" (c).
        1. Mouse
          Mouse 5 October 2019 19: 01
          0
          If during their work hahly were not needed, they would not say a word with them ... wink
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  15. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 5 October 2019 14: 38
    +2
    Chubaty, they’ll sell their mother’s penny, not just an aircraft carrier.
    1. Antares
      Antares 5 October 2019 15: 06
      +5
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Chubaty, for a penny, they’ll sell their mother, not just an aircraft carrier

      very strange, but Ukraine sold a semi-finished product (due to impossibility to complete) the housing in China.
      Then dear commentators who so generously supplied Ukraine and Ukrainians with the nicknames of all the merchants of the Motherland and technology - do not tell me who sold the rest of the aircraft carrier ships of the USSR-RF?
      Ukraine? RB?
      How easy it is to blame Ukraine and not notice that they themselves have sold and are still selling critical products / technologies / aircraft carriers.
      But Ukraine is scolding this sacred. Only Ukraine and Ukrainians can do that. But they themselves cannot pull out their log in the eye.
      Always surprised by the readiness to scold the neighbors, and to be in white and make big eyes and throw the blame on the 90 now on Yeltsin ...
      I’m sure that this post will be zipped, well, because to admit that they themselves have sold many times more than that Ukraine to China (and still are selling it) is difficult. Hurray patriots need a sacrifice. And the Russian Federation is always Ukraine.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 October 2019 17: 02
        -1
        These aircraft-carrying cruisers were sold to India, China - the first was upgraded under deck MiGs to the second for scrap, one in service remained one as a museum of the Soviet Navy.
      2. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 6 October 2019 05: 35
        +1
        Quote: Antares
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        Chubaty, for a penny, they’ll sell their mother, not just an aircraft carrier

        very strange, but Ukraine sold a semi-finished product (due to impossibility to complete) the housing in China.
        Then dear commentators who so generously supplied Ukraine and Ukrainians with the nicknames of all the merchants of the Motherland and technology - do not tell me who sold the rest of the aircraft carrier ships of the USSR-RF?
        Ukraine? RB?
        How easy it is to blame Ukraine and not notice that they themselves have sold and are still selling critical products / technologies / aircraft carriers.
        But Ukraine is scolding this sacred. Only Ukraine and Ukrainians can do that. But they themselves cannot pull out their log in the eye.
        Always surprised by the readiness to scold the neighbors, and to be in white and make big eyes and throw the blame on the 90 now on Yeltsin ...
        I’m sure that this post will be zipped, well, because to admit that they themselves have sold many times more than that Ukraine to China (and still are selling it) is difficult. Hurray patriots need a sacrifice. And the Russian Federation is always Ukraine.

        No, why, it's all about the case. I put a plus. They pounced on Ukraine here because it didn’t do it and doesn’t want to draw conclusions like the Russian Federation after the 90's.
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  16. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 5 October 2019 14: 49
    -1
    Experts, picking up information, add that one of these technologies has become one that is associated with the creation of carrier-based fighters. At the same time, cheers and patriots in the PRC believe that thanks to Ukraine are superfluous, and Chinese scientists and engineers need to be thanked.
    The monkey king cannot create anything, for he king... And Ukraine has sold or some of its "business people" have sold strategic and space missiles, the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau.
  17. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 5 October 2019 14: 52
    0
    Quote: Avior
    Brazil, by the way, is now selling an aircraft carrier with French technology for 1 million dollars,

    And why not Ukraine to buy this aircraft carrier. I would immediately become one country on the Black Sea with an aircraft carrier, so much for it.
  18. Mouse
    Mouse 5 October 2019 14: 52
    0
    in the end, almost all of the important ones were passed on to us (China).

    handed over ... sold ... the letters seem to be almost the same, not the essence ... but the point is that China did not have to strain ... to arrange delights, create, steal ... bought for a little bit, well they are now home and not to thank? I would like to ask the Ukrainians ... are they not cheap though? thirty pieces of silver "suit?
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 5 October 2019 19: 42
      -3
      Russia has sold no less than China .. And is selling .. Including territories .. There is nothing to rejoice ..
  19. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 5 October 2019 14: 58
    0
    Quote: Pavel57
    Soviet technology often became just a commodity for sale.

    If the goods are sold, or even for a song, or simply thrown away in the trash.
  20. Strashila
    Strashila 5 October 2019 15: 04
    +1
    "Thank you Ukraine: the Chinese thank Kiev for the transfer of military technologies," so sorry, by and large, there was nothing Ukrainian, either the legacy of the USSR or the development of Russia for the joint production of the same engines for helicopters.
  21. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 5 October 2019 15: 04
    -1
    Quote: Greenwood
    buy Tu-22 or even Tu-160 bombers from us or Ukraine

    As far as I remember, Ukrainians cut or returned TU-160 to Russia, but it’s hard to say about TU-22, rather, the Chinese simply didn’t realize that the collapse was like a waterfall.
  22. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 5 October 2019 15: 16
    +4
    Oh, this help to China will come to us sideways both from Ukraine and from our side.
  23. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 5 October 2019 15: 19
    0
    Ukrainians will not only sell military technology, but also sell the country, and even in w ... they will give it if they pay well for it!
    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek 5 October 2019 15: 29
      +2
      The good news is that there is nothing else to take, which means that the period of the funnel-shaped growth of China's technological "breakthrough" has passed. Then there will be a routine, since there is nowhere else to take drawings for a gift, you will have to develop it yourself and then it turns out that these are years, or even decades. The freebie period is over.
      1. Avior
        Avior 5 October 2019 15: 56
        0
        You lagged behind life. Right now, there is a transfer of Soviet technologies on aircraft engines for helicopters, transport aircraft, short-range ones for cruise missiles, to training, light attack aircraft and fighters and others.
        Thanks, while the Americans slow down ...
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  24. Klingon
    Klingon 5 October 2019 16: 09
    -1
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: Pessimist22
    So they sold not only military technology, but also sold their country.

    I remember Peter established the order of Judah for Mazepa.

    By the way, also Ukrainian steering.

    Earlier, Ivan the Terrible ordered * all wretched and holy fools to be sent to the outskirts of Galicia, where they fools and place * probably did so, that’s where everything went
    1. energoteknolog
      energoteknolog 6 October 2019 01: 22
      -2
      Have you been studying Zadornov history for a long time? He is also a historian, as well as a student.
  25. Desdecado
    Desdecado 5 October 2019 16: 13
    +5
    There is nothing to gloat over! Having lost, lost Ukraine, we lost an integral part of ourselves and significantly strengthened our sworn friends.
  26. Avior
    Avior 5 October 2019 16: 46
    +6
    Why don’t you write, whose clever head sold to China not only the Su-27, and much more, but even the latest Su-35s, s-400 and so on, actually raised the military aircraft industry in China.
    Despite the fact that Ukraine is neither hot nor cold from China, China is not near Ukraine, but almost on the other side of the planet.
    This cannot be said of Russia, which is strengthening China with both Soviet and non-Soviet technologies.
    But for some reason they write about Ukraine every day.
    1. Umalta
      Umalta 6 October 2019 00: 53
      +1
      The sale of weapons, not the sale of technology, is the truth. India is always trying to demand that by selling a batch of weapons create production on its territory. Copying some things is simply not possible. But Kraina sells technology.
      1. Avior
        Avior 6 October 2019 07: 10
        +2
        Come on. Ukraine has nothing to do with the emergence of modern combat Chinese aviation, nor would it have such technologies in the USSR.
        But Russia just sold the technology, not the product, in the form of a license to manufacture the Su-27 in China and the engine for it, from where the legs of modern Chinese combat aircraft grow.
        But someone really doesn’t want to remember this, they’ll load the pieces of iron sold by Ukraine.
        But on Varyag no technology was just being sold, unlike the su-27
        1. Umalta
          Umalta 6 October 2019 07: 18
          0
          To you to list what design bureaus and production were in Ukraine or you deign to consider everyone as idiots ?!
          1. Avior
            Avior 6 October 2019 07: 23
            0
            List those of them who produced combat fighters and engines for them, and do not forget to specify how many fighters were specifically produced in Ukraine.
            And what was released! In Ukraine, I know without you.
        2. Umalta
          Umalta 6 October 2019 08: 52
          0
          And yet, the Su-27 was created as a fighter for gaining dominance in the sky, the F-16 is the same age, at the moment they are in service, but neither of them is already far from the best model.
          1. Avior
            Avior 6 October 2019 09: 57
            0
            It was about the Soviet legacy.
            And at the moment, the Chinese, based on the Soviet technologies transferred by Russia at one time to the Su-27, have gone ahead .....
            1. Umalta
              Umalta 6 October 2019 22: 03
              0
              Let them go, we did not transfer technology in materials science to them, and without this you won’t create anything. You are probably quite far from this area.
  27. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 5 October 2019 16: 59
    +2
    “Thank you to Ukraine”: the Chinese thank Kiev for the transfer of military technology
    She’s not at all. Contact.
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 5 October 2019 18: 20
      0
      still sold everything .... no more ... call me your dumb ... wassat
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 5 October 2019 18: 39
        +2
        Well, what to do? ... The freedom-loving country was stupidly nothing to live on (they also need to be understood). In the light of such a situation, as anyone can begin to spin.
        I, too, until the fourteenth year, spinning as I could. In Russia . And where else?! .. Bo was- the edge is dreary in Nenko Ukraine.
        I must say, mother Russia, then, too, was not very welcoming to those who wanted to become citizens.
        1. Mouse
          Mouse 5 October 2019 18: 55
          +2
          Vitaly, you are deeply sympathetic to me ... and I want to believe that, while you were spinning, you did not betray anyone and did not sell ....
          it’s just that sometimes you need to think about a freedom-loving country before it breaks all its old ties, hoping to have something that is seductive, promised, and as it turned out, ephemeral happiness ....
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          2. Petrol cutter
            Petrol cutter 5 October 2019 19: 20
            +3
            Thank you for your kind words. To betray is not our methods. That being said, immediately NO.
            Although the people may have an opinion, what about Ukraine?
            I’ll answer right away. I never considered myself a Ukrainian. And even upon receipt of a passport (then Soviet), the nationality indicated is Russian. Although in fact 50/50.
            Russia has always been closer to me. No matter what.
  28. awg75
    awg75 5 October 2019 17: 02
    0
    remember the names of these scum people. when ukrovermaht collapses, they must sit at least 40 years.
  29. Adimius38
    Adimius38 5 October 2019 17: 12
    +1
    Yes, Ukraine has leaked most of the Soviet developments to China, which undoubtedly helped China to make a huge leap in the field of armaments.
  30. Ali Kokand
    Ali Kokand 5 October 2019 17: 30
    +3
    It was infa that Russia handed over to China all the technologies on the SPRN, which is the last that they did not sell (or maybe already) a secret from partners, because of the most important factor in the country's security. Missile Attack Warning System. And you are worrying about pre-Aviation carriers here.
    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek 5 October 2019 17: 44
      +2
      Right now, there is a transfer of Soviet technologies on aircraft engines for helicopters, transport aircraft, short-range ones for cruise missiles, to training, light attack aircraft and fighters and others.
      Thanks, while the Americans slow down ...


      Can I get more details? What does "transmission in progress" mean? I know that there are a number of joint projects, this is completely different. If this is what you mean, then you don’t need to juggle so easily and primitively with information that you do not fully represent and taken out of context.
      1. Ugolek
        Ugolek 5 October 2019 17: 46
        0
        And it’s not clear who the Americans are slowing down? What nonsense are you writing? Whom did the Americans slow down? RF? The Russian Federation that he wants and to whom he wants to sell without problems. The latest example of the S-400 to Turkey. And who did the Americans slow down there ??
        1. Ugolek
          Ugolek 5 October 2019 17: 48
          +1
          Why don’t you write, whose clever head sold to China not only the Su-27, and much more, but even the latest Su-35s, s-400 and so on, actually raised the military aircraft industry in China.


          In the case of the Su-35 and S-400, the documentation was not transmitted, so what's the fear? Well, let them disassemble, copy, spend time ... They sold the goods, not technology.
          1. Avior
            Avior 5 October 2019 18: 31
            0
            But Ukraine sold a bare piece of iron for a hotel, and not a finished product, and even more so some kind of technology.
            Su-27 incidentally, sold just with technology
      2. Avior
        Avior 5 October 2019 22: 03
        0
        Selling Motor Sich to the Chinese
  31. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 5 October 2019 17: 57
    +3
    Zombies together rushed to gnaw Ukraine. And how many Russia has sold the most modern weapons to China? The newest fighters, the newest aircraft, anti-aircraft systems, etc.
    Not very distant Slavs, as always, pitted among themselves. To the delight of China, America. Zombies, when do you start to turn on your brains? Well, these are the pictures that you forgot.

    Well, go on fooling your friends from Beijing on, sing the hosage to the oligarchy, vilify the Ukrainians and wait for the Chinese to visit China along with the Chinese army forever.
    1. ibn.shamai
      ibn.shamai 5 October 2019 18: 21
      -2
      Already not relevant. Right now, every man for himself! No.
    2. Umalta
      Umalta 6 October 2019 01: 01
      0
      Nobody is against the Ukrainians, everything is against banderlogs, you see, things are different.
  32. Ros 56
    Ros 56 5 October 2019 17: 58
    0
    Interestingly, did any of the psychologists do a serious analysis of the reasons for such behavior of hohlodyatly and their predecessors such as Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin? What did you achieve and what did you achieve in the end, except for the collapse of the Union? What is the ultimate goal? After all, if it happens, I won’t be sorry for them and I don’t think others will. After all, the country where our best years passed has been stolen from us for half our lives.
  33. ibn.shamai
    ibn.shamai 5 October 2019 18: 16
    0
    The Chinese are trolling Americans! good
  34. Mentat
    Mentat 5 October 2019 18: 18
    +1
    Quote: Avior
    Experts, picking up information, add that one of these technologies has become one that is associated with the creation of carrier-based fighters.

    It remains to understand what kind of technology this was in Ukraine?
    Brazil, by the way, is now selling an aircraft carrier with French technology for $ 1 million, 20 times cheaper than Ukraine.

    Does Brazil have design documentation for this aircraft carrier? This is what the article is about, the sale of documentation, technologies, and not just a specific product on the construction of which is not boom-boom.
    1. Avior
      Avior 5 October 2019 18: 29
      0
      They sold the bare hull without any documentation with the peculiarities of shipbuilding technology, they didn’t sell any technology, the Chinese bought it for a floating hotel, and not for completion as an aircraft carrier.
      And this was not the first 1143 sold to China.
  35. Mentat
    Mentat 5 October 2019 18: 35
    0
    Quote: Old Horseradish
    Zombies together rushed to gnaw Ukraine. And how many Russia has sold the most modern weapons to China? The newest fighters, the newest aircraft, anti-aircraft systems, etc.
    Not very distant Slavs, as always, pitted among themselves. To the delight of China, America. Zombies, when do you start to turn on your brains? Well, these are the pictures that you forgot.

    Well, go on fooling your friends from Beijing on, sing the hosage to the oligarchy, vilify the Ukrainians and wait for the Chinese to visit China along with the Chinese army forever.

    Russia sells final products to China, not technology. What does the oligarchy and some “hosans” have to do with the specific facts mentioned by the Chinese? All Ukrainians (although I believe that this is an artificial nation, because “Ukrainians” are Russians who were imposed on an artificially created language) really should not be reproached, and keep your nonsense about the Chinese army attacking Russia.
  36. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 5 October 2019 20: 07
    +1
    It's strange, I thought everything had already been sold, or else the dad announced "cooperation in the space industry," then the Chinese are pulling out, the Soviet invaders have given a big backlog, they still cannot take it away.
  37. comradChe
    comradChe 5 October 2019 20: 26
    -1
    Well done! Now it will be harder for Russia to blame the transfer of technology to China.
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  39. Perey ra
    Perey ra 5 October 2019 23: 59
    -3
    Moskalska vata rages in the comments))))) A rabid Sabaka barks with bleeding ulcers, but the caravan is coming! Ukraine is developing, and the Russians are rotting in their swamp. Muscovite nits, what are they vile and vile .... Long live Belarus!
  40. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 6 October 2019 02: 44
    +1
    - "It was she, the former republic of the Soviet Union, having inherited many advanced military technologies from the USSR, in the end, almost all the important of them transferred to us (China)." - what do you mean "passed"? call a spade a spade "Sold" all the potheads for next to nothing. like that aircraft carrier.
  41. Naughty
    Naughty 6 October 2019 12: 28
    0
    At the same time, cheers and patriots in the PRC believe that thanks to Ukraine are superfluous, and Chinese scientists and engineers need to be thanked.

    It's not over yet))))) They will still have time to "thank" Ukraine for the bullshit they sold them. well done Ukrainians Grandmother cut down And then let the Chinese themselves "bite their elbows")))))
  42. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 7 October 2019 12: 15
    0
    As if the sale of Tavkr Kiev did not give the PRC technology?

    I was in Kiev - everything that was interesting for warships - was filmed and studied.
    For example, electric motors of large dimension for drives,




    The design helps to understand the organizational structure of flight control and the organization of services on an aircraft carrier cruiser.

    Hundreds of units and pieces of equipment that can be mastered in production by reverse engineering (copying) and used for the construction of larger ships.
    Of course, the sale of such ships is a detriment to technology.